This is your morning reminder that Homosexuality and Transgenderism is a mental illness, and should be treated or cured, instead of tolerated by society.
Until there's a cure, there's hope.
I know you want to click this to enlarge it OP
This is your reminder that your dumb views will never be supported by the majority in a first world country where decent education is the norm.
Move to Uganda where you'll be among like-minded retards.
Or move to /pol/ OP
You are a faggot. Much worse OP. Much worse that trans. Difference is, when you kill your self the world becomes a better place
So let me get this straight.
You think that transgender people attempt suicide because they're transgender, not because they're being bullied by morons with nothing better to do than pick on people making a choice that doesn't affect them whatsoever?
Were you born stupid or did you have to work at it?
so is being a bitter virgin loser who is heading toward wizard status. it's a mental illness too. your father should never have been able to get laid but he did and now you're having a worse time of it.
I'm transgender and when I consider suicide it's because I wasn't born a girl, not because of faggots on 4chan, you know. It is a mental illness and should indeed be helped, hormones and surgeries are the help that are available.
It's not as accepted as you think it is...even in the first world.
Many aren't vocal in their disapproval because of fear of losing their job or being the target of a SJW witch hunt.
There is a reason most of the landmark legislation regarding gay marriage had to be pushed through courts and not by popular vote.
nigga, please. stop blaming everyone else for your insanity. Noone kills themselves because they get their feelings hurt
That may be through, only time will tell. I don't mind committing suicide if the surgeries aren't up to what I want, it's fine. I'll have enjoyed my transition with my boyfriend and my loving family, and that's enough to make me die with a smile on my face :)
>Your idea wont get majority support
>This means it's not right
They get surgery and realize they still don't feel better. Their issues are deeper than just "being in the wrong body." Source: several post op trannies, psychologists, a basic google search.
Jenner wants to transition back and got hugely depressed after getting facial feminization surgery. Source: mainstream news.
Your problems require years of therapy. You cant fix a problem just by changing things physically. Source: years of therapy, Star Wars.
Listen, poster. Try to hold on and bear through it. If it all turns out well, don't turn into one of those LGBTBBQ people who make being trans/gay/anything that isn't the norm their entire character. Please, don't be one of those fucking people.
What people think does matter...the same government that granted your rights can easily take them away in the future.
With the rise of Trump and nationalist parties in Europe, we may be seeing the pendulum start to swing the other way. The GBLT community would be wise to take that into account when conducting their advocacy.
Erm, I think I work hard not to be a stereotype. Thanks for the support, bro <3 I dislike LGBT warriors.
Why would they help me if I was dead ?
That's a ltitle true cause they know that suicide is something that may happen at some point, so they are indeed living with the thought that it may happen at some point, but they are actually supporting me, maybe they are just faking it, maybe not, I don't really care, they act like they rock <3
No, I'm your sister !
Gonna need some sources on that I'm afraid. The study I read found a difference of 20% between Europe, Canada and America, as well as that Transgender people are 82% less likely to commit suicide if their family is supportive.
4chan won't let me link it because spam detection but it can be found on biomedcentral "Intervenable factors associated with suicide risk in transgender persons: a respondent driven sampling study in Ontario, Canada".
So yeah, I think being more tolerant does help lower suicide rates.
Well, where I live, EVERYTHING is paid for by the government and it will be in 2 years, so they can remove it when I'm done, I guess, and I don't care, my parents have the money.
Do you guys not feel any sympathy at all?
One of my friends is transgender, and "he" has constant suicidal feelings even though no one has ever bullied him or made fun of him. He recieves nothing but support.
Yet he'll most likely kill himself because of a curable mental illness once he realises that pumping his body full of hostile cancer inducing hormones was a bad idea.
But yeah, let's just ignore all of the statistics and science because of
itt people raging on 4chan because they can't say anything in real life. I love how I can kiss my boyfriend in public and everyone claps at me, I love how everyone says it's awesome, I love how I go to the gym in tight yoga pants and people say that I rock. Stay mad 4chan, you are probably that guy that told me that I was cool in the gym <3
>Your idea is almost exclusively held in the majority by countries with no standardised system of education.
>This doesn't mean it's not right.
Good fucking riddance.
Anyone stupid enough to cut their dick off deserves what's coming.
At least they won't breed and inflict their disgusting sickness onto future generations
I know people going through this garbage, too. I can't empathize, but I know vicariously just how shit it is. Fight the good fight, fuck social justice.
Society of enablers because of emotional thinking.
Vulcans wouldve cured this shit easy.
I don't mind if people disagree with my beliefs and what I am doing, that's just opinions. And I am perfectly fine with what you are saying :) I'll fight my fight ! Fight yours <3
What happens in your little scene in a big city is hardly representative of the society as a whole.
Generally, when fringe groups have over played their hand they have been on the receiving end of a violent push back. Don't confuse social media for real life.
I meant that it happens as a personal experience. I got dressed out in makeup and speak out loud (my voice is still the one of a man), and people just look at me and say nothing. But that's maybe cause I live in a really liberal country ? Maybe if I was in Texas... I guess some people are just more advanced than others ? (My country was ranked number 1 for "The best place to be born in" for the last 10 years or so" (feel free to say "muh freedom" and that "trump will make everything great again")
Lets say homosexuality was, for whatever reason, exclusive to "lower income" individuals;
$25,000/year and under. Think that it would have as much legislative power? Societal "acceptance". Probably not. The ones with power, and in power have pushed for acceptance. Is is a mental deficiency? Well it was taken out of the dsm in 1973. Why was it put in, in the first place?
I'm not endorsing trump, just simply pointing out a growing trend, quit making assumptions.
Most people see you as a biological dead end, something to be tolerated for the span of human life. They know civilization will drive on without your participation. They are probably tolerant of you, but they likely aren't supportive of your choices...again, don't confuse the two.
Never understood why people cared. If you want to fuck a man go ahead I don't give a shit. What people do in their private homes isn't anyone's business so long as they aren't hurting anyone.
It's like you people want to live in a despotic country.
I won't speak about biology on 4chan.
Saying funny names won't make your argument valid. Riding bikes 24/7 and being retarded makes you serious :3 but hey, you have muscles and beers ! You are a man, gratz
It wasn't directed to you, but to people that may have said that (was more of a joke about people being retarded about trump and America not being a worthless place).
Most people aren't biologist, stop speaking of biology. You know that homosexuality exists in other species ? my brother actually has a PhD in biology and he explained all of that to me, I don't remember all of it, but what you are saying is bullshit. Stop thinking that because you gratuated from highschool studying biology that you know anything, thanks. (inb4 stop making assumptions, it's a manner of speaking)
I mean it really isn't the same thing, but yeah, you should be allowed to do it as long as it's only done in private like any other sexual act.
If you start bringing feces to the office or masturbate with shit on the bus, or get into arguments with yourself, then you should probably get some help.
Being homosexual isn't a mental illness though. You don't scream at yourself, you don't rub shit on people. You're a man/woman who likes to fuck other people of the same sex. That's generally the only difference.
I couldn't care less. Much more important issues to deal with.
All this shit is going to seem so silly to us in 20 years, you're going to look back on this nonsense and think "wow why the fuck did I even care about this lol"
Focus on yourself and chill the fuck out you autistic neckbeards
You are, in fact, an evolutionary dead end, just like homo animals in other species. You don't need a Phd to understand the drive to continue the species.
if straight people are producing homosexuals, maybe it's straight people we need to fix?
>evolutionary dead end
Trans have existed since recorded history and probably before that. Trans don't make more trans/gays. Normies do, so by your logic, kys.
Look at the rates of suicide for homosexual men in history, it used to be MUCH higher when it was less tolerated, but it has fallen considerably over the last few decades as tolerance grew.
And yes there will always be the problem with transgender people of not being able to completely change their body, but obviously as science progresses this will become less and less relevant.
>hurr species is in danger cause of femenazis and everyone turning gay! cuck society beta sjw!!! buzzwords!!!
literally kill yourself
homosexual and transgenderism is natural, is has occured in our species and many others for thousands of millenia. you are retarded.
you won't see the same from trannies. Gay people were outcasted, but they were suffering from delusion.
Trannies have the same rate of suicide as jews during the holocaust, you can't make the argument that they are treated worse than jews by Nazi'.
>mfw someone says I'm a horrible person for not wanting to fuck traps
If we ever get to a point where we can't tell that someone's transitioned, we need a way to I.D. that they're trans.
Random mutation, non-random selection.
Transgender people can be attracted to women by the way. Learn a bit about how the brain works before spouting nonsense.
That is a cultural phenomenon and a matter of self control, homosexual and transgender people are literally born with their brains wired a certain way. If you're too stupid to understand the difference then there is no point even talking to you.
Except homosexuality is between two consensual adults at an age where they can make their own decisions without the risk of being taken advantage of, unlike a child, which is why pedophilia isn't accepted in any developed country, unlike homosexuality.
By your logic they would have died out long ago.
this chick is fucking a snake
fagz are not a problem
besides is less people on the planet really gonna hurt?
>countries that have more tolerant views towards them, such as in the Netherlands?
Suffering from delusion? Do you have Down syndrome? Homosexuality is caused by certain neurochemical and biological differences in the brain, it has nothing to do with belief.
Of course Jews during the holocaust were treated worse, but they were also not suffering from the cognitive dissonance of being born into the wrong body and having a large portion of society telling you that you're just a delusional faggot and you need to "fix yourself". Imagine trying to deal with that. Oh wait you're a privileged white kid who has never dealt with anything in his life so you couldn't possible be able to imagine.
You don't understand basic neurochemistry.
Nobody has ever made that argument, you're imagining things again. And nice idea about IDs, we should also do that for bigoted troglodytes so we know who to disregard on any serious issues.
Not likely. My brother's a firefighter and they get called to weird shit all the time, the only time people get held is they are a danger to themselves or someone else. Fap on shitmiester.
Ever since becoming more pro-faggot, western countries have gotten worse and worse with all the degenerate faggotry. We have this pro-trans what bathroom to use genderfluid mental illness debates because we didn't draw the line when we should have. Every European country became great BEFORE pretending all the faggot shit is normal.
>Down's syndrome* :^)
You also realize that I said it was trannies that were delusional, not regular fags. Also, schizophrenics are schizophrenic because of neurochemical differences in the brain, it has nothing to do with belief. So you are telling me you don't think a schizo is delusional? Even though one of the symptoms required for diagnoses is delusion.
Also, I'm not white. I was born and raised in a third world shithole, Guyana. But I'm sure I know all about privilege :^)
I think we drew the line. The majority of states banned fag marriage, California passed prop 8 which was then overturned by an unelected judge. The problem is that the SJWs are so good at pushing their agenda through the courts without using the democratic process. Think about it this way, if there was an amendment to ban faggot marriage 10 years ago, 2/3 of the states would have ratified it. There is only so much law abiding citizens can do before violent rebellion becomes necessary.
I don't care what people do in their own house, but it shouldn't be normalized.
I think if a person wants to shove gerbils in their asshole they should be allowed to. But society shouldn't be forcing us to accept them, not discriminating against them, or pretending like it's "natural/normal"
Seriously though, no one is forcing you to go and give them a big ol fuckin hug, okay? Yeah it's not normal, but it's not hurting anyone.
Literally you don't have to do anything. you just have to not give a fuck. How hard is it to just not give a fuck?
it is pretty gay to stay in this thread now
>I don't care what people do in their own house
>but it shouldn't be normalized.= I care what people do
They teach my little brother about gay sex in school. So actually they are forcing it on us you fucking retard. They aren't just in the corner with their little fucked up fetish keeping it to themselves. Trannies are forcing themselves into public washrooms, faggots are infiltrating our school curriculum.
Foot fetishes aren't taught to kids in school, so why are trannies and faggots? Why aren't they just leaving us alone?
> I think if a person wants to shove gerbils in their asshole they should be allowed to
> But society shouldn't be forcing us to accept them
I actually agree with you here. If you want to call a tranny a man, you should be allowed to, just as you are allowed to call blacks niggers.
> or pretending like it's "natural/normal"
Homosexuality is natural because it occurs in nature in almost every other species.
> inb4 rape also occurs in nature
That's not the point. the point is that it's not unnatural.
isn't your pastor fucking little children too?
just imagine what would happen when schools start forcing knowledge of the cruelty of the world wars on our kids, all in the sake of fruity "education about the real world".
animals also eat their own shit. Why should we model our lives after animals? Just because something occurs in nature, doesn't mean it's not wrong or it's acceptable behavior.
Cancer occurs naturally , so we shouldn't try curing it because it's natural?
Conservative/liberal has no meaning when talking about the SCOTUS. What matters is activist/originalist. There were only 2 originalists on the court (one of whom is now dead). My point was that it would not have ever gone up to the SCOTUS if the SJWs had not planted so many activist judges in the lower courts. Remember, none of these people are elected, so you are essentially advocating against democracy.
so, man. how did this thread work for you so far?
maybe you could stop trying to dictate other people whats normal.
because it´s just like your opinion, man.
The quickest way to eliminate homosexuality is to embrace it. Being intolerant causes homosexuals to breed with heterosexuals and propagate their DNA to future generations. By embracing it, it slowly fades away because the DNA isn't propagated as easily as with heterosexual couples.
i know right? we can be as autistic as 40k players
> animals also eat their own shit. Why should we model our lives after animals?
Oh damn it seems you didn't read the second part. I am in no way implying that we should act like animals. I was shutting down your retarded statement that homosexuality is unnatural.
the schools don't glorify homosexuality, they provide information about its existence.
i doubt sjw's have yet infiltrated the natural history curriculum, even in cuckfaced america.
you're raging againt ghosts of your own imagination. a taboo is way more interesting to kids than a well explained concept. if you raise your kids with homo taboo, they'll want to find out some day what the big deal is.
This isn't a democracy, it's a republic.
Spin some moar shit that I can refute.
"natural" is one of those words that means whatever the user of the word wants... the word that should be used is degenerative. homosexuality is literally, by definition, degenerative
horrible singers and music
You're pretty fucked up huh? This has nothing to do with religion, but obviously something happened involving a priest and your anus. Of course kids don't care, they have no idea about sexuality or gender identity, so why are you advocating that we shove it in their faces?
Not true. The taboo has been lifted from homos and there are more fags than ever. Believe me, not very many people in the 1940s were going "mom and dad never told me about gay sex, time to suck cocks!! OMG IT"S SO TABOO LMAO"
aren't you more concerned with your money going towards paying off politicians and landing in the pockets of oil companies? no? what about being wasted on the bloated military? still no? you're just a homophobe?
Homosexuality is abnormal by definition as about 4% of people identify as homosexual per a Gallup survey which is more than 2 standard deviations from the mean. This amount of statistical deviation is considered abnormal by behavioral scientists.
However, that doesn't mean you can mistreat them!!!
Doesn't matter. It's eurovision. We don't even have to qualify cause we're such legends and throw a lot of money at it so that we can lose every year since the 60s.
Bulgaria's shit hot this year too. I hope she wins. Her song is awesome.
prevalence of aids and other stds, increased levels of promiscuity and drug abuse, breaking up of the family, unsanitary (I also think anal sex between man and women is degenerate so I'm not a hypocrite).
Those are some of the reasons I have for thinking homosexuality is degenerate.
>let little boys and girls shower together
>they have no idea about sexuality or gender identity, so why are you advocating that we shove it in their faces
shove what in their faces, that girls have slits and boys have sticks? i'm pretty sure they're learning about that already. the thing only adults understand is panicking over a naked body.
>I want MY money spent the way I see fit
See, that's where you're wrong. When you pay taxes, it's no longer YOUR money; it belongs to the GOVERNMENT, and they do with it what they see fit. They take some of that money and fund the schools.
To put it simply: It's not your money. you pay it in the same way that you buy something at the store. You no longer have a say once it leaves your wallet.
Grow up faggot.
I am concerned about all that. Which is why I vote libertarian, because I want most government programs and branches abolished. I want drastic tax reform. I only want the government to pay for roads, police, and border security. So to answer your question, no I'm not just a homophobe. But good job trying to stereotype me friend :^)
> prevalence of aids and other stds
Not exclusive to gays. In fact it's probably higher in straight niggers than white homos.
> increased levels of promiscuity and drug abuse
> breaking up of the family
only the hardcore christian families.
> unsanitary (I also think anal sex between man and women is degenerate so I'm not a hypocrite)
How dull your sex life must be.
Too stupid. seriously really fucking stupid. STD's are not unique to gays. Breaking up of the family? that's just coz parents have warped views like yours. It's not the fags fault. This is literally something implanted in their brain. dislike it all you want, they really are homosexuals, they aren't trying to ruin your day. (well some are, but so are many straights).
>it belongs to the GOVERNMENT
The government, at least in the past, was made up of WE THE PEOPLE, so it is his money, and my money, and your money, so we all have a say on how it should be spent.
Maybe "nature" thinks that certain persons shouldn't reproduce and change the sexual system to avoid that? So it would be good for the society to cheer that nature seem to do her work? People adopting kids also seem very positive for society.
People should stop hiding their insecurities and same old bullexcrement behind bigotry and obvious hatred because of unenlightment and limited uprising.
The best looking, most manly guy in our neighborhood was outed as hard wife beater and spend time. Now he is stalking his ex'es and has spats with everyone because his family owns the house and he has no reasons to leave.
Yeah, thats is the prototype of future "man".
The majority gets to decide. If the majority really cares that much then they will stand up and say "we feel like our taxes should be spent elsewhere and here's why", then they tell their representative why they feel like this specific area doesn't deserve funding and why another specific area deserves the funding instead. however, I highly doubt the government is going to divert funding away from public schools because "we don't like same sex showers for no reason"
OP trolling into getting lots of gay/tranny pics
Well I didn't want to get into my personal political beliefs but I'm actually for very small government and am vehemently opposed to property tax, income tax. I think the government should have three roles, make roads, fund police, secure boarder.
Look at the facts, Gay and bisexual men have the highest risk for aids. Drug abuse is relevant because it's a degenerative behavior that negatively affects the people around you. People statistically function the best when they are raised by both a mother and a father, and gay people are making that less common with adoption etc. Anal sex is a personal opinion so you have me beat there I suppose.
I know stds aren't unique to gays, but they have the highest rates of them.
I agree, but this thread is about that minor issue. Which is why we are talking about it. Seems you have lost and now you are resorting to "yeah you're right but I don't see the big deal in the grand scheme of all problems" KEK
THREADS like this are what /pol/fags thrive on. i can't for the life of me understand how they can spend their entire life pretending to know how the world works. why don't they realise that their opinion like everyone else's is tinted by their ideology and that there are simply no natural truths in this world, only best effort (?) decisions which may or may not have had relevancy at some point.
>I highly doubt the government is going to divert funding away from public schools because "we don't like same sex showers for no reason"
Dude, check the news. Just happened yesterday
Where do they get the funding for this?
What about educational funding?
Like it or not, they own the property within their borders. The borders that they secure and keep secured. If you want to build on it then you have to pay property taxes.
Because morons like you, who see life in very barrow vision, will never understand the fun about discussing, arguing and exchanging ideas. You grow as a human, you however will remain a moron.
2 natural truths : the cosmos, the laws of nature and physics.
I know you like aids the most since it helps your point, but why not use STD's in general? i mean that kinda evens out the playing field a little more. Oh, I'm sorry did that ruin your stupid argument?
> People statistically function the best when they are raised by both a mother and a father,
Not true. People function best when raised by 2 parents over 1 parent. you dipshit.
> Anal sex is a personal opinion so you have me beat there I suppose.
We can agree to disagree. I've always had shit-free anal all my life.
So, the girl with the beard who looks like a man and trained hard to look like a man, has to go to the girls bathroom?
Is this what your little daughters want? They don't understand why this "man" has to go to "their" bathroom.
Sane people have answers to that. Insane people, as seen on TV numerous times didn't wanted to answer because they didn't think that bigoted nonsense trough.
>the fun about discussing, arguing and exchanging ideas
i'm all for that. not /pol/fags, though. they run with their one-two bit rhetoric and when they run out of fuel they turn to name calling and shitposting.
>2 natural truths : the cosmos, the laws of nature and physics.
i see only one possible truth there, the cosmos is not a truth but the product of a set of rules we're still trying to explore and know not much about. we can't even rule out the truth we're trying to find changes over time.
yup, you basically have a point there op. ignore the fag enablers and the dykes. transgender is just a fucking joke
>not /pol/fags, though. they run with their one-two bit rhetoric and when they run out of fuel they turn to name calling and shitposting.
Aids actually comes with drug abuse, it's not from gay love. Some education would do you good.
Why do gays more proportionally go to drug abuse than straights? Well it's an excape for depressed people, and they're depressed because of people like you. Your ilk push them into shitty situations, and then you look at their shitty situations and say you were right all along.
In short i'm saying that since they elect the people who decide, then in a way the people decide.
Elected officials don't usually just wake up and say "lets divert some funds to the treadmill department". Generally they get the public's support first.
>Generally they get the public's support first.
>then in a way the people decide.
My old school is huge and they have about 5% openly gays. Nobody fking cares, because life is complicated enough for kids in their age.
Besides some few bigots - their intelligence will only allow them to do simple jobs like cleaning floors or filling up xxl condoms on gay porn sets - there is no drama.
It was the religious zealots, hiding behind their usually "veil of concern", that started to bring this kind of talk into the school. They are so aggressive, i'm guessing this is their last stand before modern Enlightenment finally catches them.
For thousands of years homosexuality was known to be wrong
Hint: it's still wrong
And transgenderism is just bullshit for psychopaths who gays and women think "aww day so cuuute, leave em awone peopow"
They have the highest risk for certain behaviors because they are thrown into extreme subcultures that foster these behaviors. That has nothing to do that they are gay, only that their "to go" culture is more accepting of risks.
With more acceptance of gays, we see that there are different kinds of cultures within the gay community. For example, many empty churches are now filled with gay couples and their kids. Lots of gays are quite religious and conservative.
The culture of Hooligans is of high tension and broken bones. Since most hooligan crews are white straight men. That says nothing about white straight men, just they shouldn't go into Hooligan culture to not be in the risk group of broken bones.
dude, come on.
Homos all have worse behavioral problems than the normal population. They have higher rates of drug and alcohol abuse. They consistently have higher rates of STIs. They are more prone to spousal abuse. HIV infections are on the rise for them in the US. Even the founding members the modern LGBT movement were pedophiles (Man-boy love movement). The movement had to drop the man-boy lovers to become legit to normal people and it was a bone of contention within the movement and a bitter pill for a those founders much to the embarrassment to the LGBT who were trying to legitimize themselves
The only studies that conclude that 2 gay parents are equal 2 Normal parents don't stand up to scrutiny, If all things are controlled, 2 gay parent kids are worse off than 2 normal parents.
There is a special retirement home in our big city for a while now. Its houses especially older men who "sell" themselves straight their whole life and now want to live an other, more truthful way.
There where there all the time, but where not allowed to live how they wanted. Which is sad for humanity.
> They have higher rates of drug and alcohol abuse.
Yes, but this has nothing to do with being a faggot.
> They consistently have higher rates of STIs
You blindly say these things and then don't ask "why". Most std's namely AIDs, come from DRUGS. Why are gays on drugs? because they are an escape. Why do they disproportionately need an escape? because of people like you telling them they were born with the wrong brain.
> Even the founding members the modern LGBT movement were pedophiles (Man-boy love movement).
I am going to need some proof.
>The only studies that conclude that 2 gay parents are equal 2 Normal parents don't stand up to scrutiny
Yes they do.
google "gay parents vs straight parents" you fucking twat.
I don't really have a problem with most gays as long as they don't act like fags, but this tranny shit is just another way to further emasculate men. Dave Chapelle had an interview where he talked about how some jew wanted to put him in a dress, and he was basically like fuck that. Then he pointed out all of the instances where the Hollywood kikes put men in dresses. Give little boys adderall, take away their recess, make them shower with girls, and now you have made a society of sheeple who are easily controlled. Well I say fuck that. I will keep speaking out against this shit. Call me a bigot, or some kind of phobe, at least I still have a set of hairy, vinegary, white balls.
this is true. single parent kids are worse off.
but... the single parent rise can be traced to the modern "attack" on traditional families and what movements attacked it? The modern feminist and lgbt movements starting in the late 60s and early 70s.
Single parent homes are move likely to produce kids with behavioral problems. This is known. Who has the highest % of single parent homes in the US? Blacks. Who has the highest crime problem? Blacks Who has the highest % of gays? Blacks
Believe it or not one of the best "cures" for homosexuality is to have stable 2 parent nonhomosexual households.
some feminists would like to emasculate all men. but i don't see a problem if there are men on the whole spectrum, as there should be women on the whole spectrum, e.g. feminine submissive women - masculine dominant women.
Gays can openly marry in the whole US for what, five years? And open adopt who and where?
And you already have a "wealth" of studies?
How many kids run away every year for the last 50 years? There were mostly non-homosexual households in that time.
People seem to completely make this shit up, to prove a point they lost like 10 years ago, when their constantly drunken uncle explained, that kids need a regular hard beating to behave.