Bernie's plans in a nutshell:
1. Bankrupt the country with economically impossible plans.
2. Release criminals from jail.
3. Pander to SJWs.
4. Pander some more.
5. Do some more pandering.
6. Open borders.
7. Bring back people that have been already deported for being here illegally.
8. No energy for anyone. (ban fracking, eliminate nuclear power, carbon tax that will drive everything else into oblivion.)
Seems like a good idea right guys?
Oh will you stop posting these rant threads this is like your 4th today
>>682069324
You're a worthless human being.
Literally a pile of shit in a mound of garbage.
Go kill yourself you fucking retard.
Please, I'm fucking begging you. Do it faggot.
>>682069324
Sounds like Antoninus Pius who gave every barbarian Roman citizenship in 212 A.D. That's pretty much the point where Rome started to go downhill without any hope of coming back.
>>682069602
This is actually my first one ever on the subject.
>>682069725
I'm better than you in every conceivable way. Yes, I can tell that just by reading your shitpost.
also http://fiscalfactcheck.crfb.org/how-much-will-government-spend-under-the-next-president/
I think Bernie is more viable than Hillary because people forget that Congress has to pass all these ridiculous policies. None of Bernie's goals would really happen, but I do think much more sensible versions of his policies could pass.
I don't think college should be free but I do think tuition costs have gotten out of control and are disproportionate to what they used to be for previous generations. Some form of college loan forgiveness or tuition cost reform needs to occur.
I think watered down forms of Bernie's policies could actually be viable and do good.
it sounds pathetic because that's how fucked up our country really is currently. these are honestly the only realistic options to try to get ourselves out of this insane mess that has been perpetually fucking itself into the ground for decades. universal health care. we are literally one of extremely few 1st world countries that do not have this available. jesus christ we're the fucking usa for fucks sake. how is this not a thing? pandering...eh yeah, but who gives a shit.
imagine if he did get elected and was assassinated a few months later. holy shit. well come to think of it this country is so fucked, un-involved, and too ill informed to ever give enough of a shit. fuck this country and everything it thinks it stands for. pay your taxes.
>>682069725
Does that mean he's incorrect?
>>682069324
Why the hell are you guys still talking about Bernie Sanders like he's still a candidate?
Also, great policy research.
>>682070419
This. Only way he has a remote chance is if Hillrod is indicted before the convention. (Hillrod meant in the most offensive manner possible.)
>>682070290
>uneducated community college student found
>acquiring target
>firethetorpedoes.png
Maybe if you did something with your life, you could pay for that "crippling" school debt. Oh, and we don't need free health care...we're Capitalists, not socialists or communists. Fucking teenaged college students think we need to reverse how our country is, when in reality its just the stupid people like them that make up the wrong in our country.
The Ozone isn't dying off, the more trees we plant, the more the planet kills itself, and the less nuclear power and tracking we do, the less power you have to sit around all day and masturbate to gay porn.
Go fuck yourself, kid.
>>682070700
Hillary is going to get schlonged by the FBI
![jN1mrbv[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/7nVsmMO.gif "jN1mrbv[1].gif")
>>682071367
>calls others uneducated
>thinks climate change is a myth
>>682071847
OP here, yea I hope so.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-03/justice-gives-immunity-to-clinton-staffer-who-set-up-private-email-server
Also, where are her transcripts and what is old Bernie hiding in his tax returns?
>inb4 he released them
He released one and only one. Where are the rest Bernster? What are you hiding?
>>682069324
And what's wrong about releasing criminals from jail?
Jail is so messed up we only make things worse.
Needs to be programs or some kind of alternative, people make mistakes.
>>682070058
Those graphics literally say we haven't checked these but somebody somewhere said something that disagrees with the values estimated by the candidates themselves. What in the actual fuck kind of reference is that. Can you go tard out somewhere else.
>>682071367
what the fuck, you've got to be fishing here. we've got 320 million people in this country and crippling health care problems. capitalists sure. that doesn't mean we can't take drastic measures to try to help everyone. in fact, if these same capitalists actually paid their taxes we probably wouldn't be hurting so bad. but yeah, it's capitalism, so who wouldn't take advantage of that luxury right?
>>682072631
What the fuck are you even talking about?
>>682071367
>being this cucked by capitaism
>>682072806
let's defund planned parenthood while we're at it because Jesus.
>>682073008
The notes on the damned infographics.
>>682069324
Heres my story.
>Think about donald trump
>Nah too extreme
>Wanna vote Bernie
>Everyone likes him
>Friends like him
>Says something about wage gap existing
>Oh no
>Not voting Hillary because Hillary
>Not voting trump because trump
>Bernie is now extremist in my eyes
>Ben Carson gone
>Everyone is cancer
>Re-evaluate Trump
>Shit
>Hes the best one
Im fucking voting trump
>>682073044
literally 3% of planned parenthood's business is abortions. none of which is paid for by taxpayers, rather simply a service provided at the persons expense. but yeah jesus says it's wrong and underage pregnancies, stds, continue to rise
>>682073311
What the notes that say the estimates were done by Fiscal Fact Check (an independent professional fact checking organization) using the candidates own numbers?
Can you just fucking elaborate so we don't have to do this retarded guessing game dance where I try to figure out what the fuck your point is?
>>682074060
Actually teen pregnancies are down. Especially among minorities. But my guess is that rising socioeconomic status should get the credit as we are leaving the great recession behind.
>>682069324
>economically impossible
>but we can afford trillions to bail out Wall Street
Kill yourself you uneducated moron.
>>682074557
i worded that incorrectly. yes they were down and will start to rise if more states start defunding planned parenthood. texas is a prime example. you may be correct in your assumption, but i highly doubt it. edumacation and pills prevent teen pregnancies, not living in a nice neighborhood or having more income.
>>682069324
Bern Victims are naive, ignorant useful idiotss indeed
>>682074434
This "source" you are trying to back yourself with has only copypasta'd some shit out of each of the plans. They haven't actually done their own independant investigation. Also the quality of their content doesn't create confidence in their organization. I am saying that your source is shit.
>>682072631
It is a joke that contains elements of The Dark Night Rises and Plato's Allegory of the Cave.
>>682073008
It is a joke that contains elements of The Dark Night Rises and Plato's Allegory of the Cave.
Name one time free education has bankrupted a country
>>682069725
Not an argument
so the 90's again?!
>>682076080
Name one time over extending social welfare programs has bankrupted a country.
>>682071954
>implying climate change is nothing more than hyped up politicized "science" funded by foreign corporations to hurt our economy to take it over....
*cough* China *cough*
>>682076298
I asked for an example, not incoherent ramblings.
![hqdefault[3].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bpKaXvg.jpg "hqdefault[3].jpg")
Legalized pot is all I care about... There is nothing that can be done for America at this point. It's going to be Trump vs Hillary and it was always going to be that way... Trump will do something to sway the vote in favor of Hillary when the time comes for it because he was planted in the GOP to sway the party away from anyone who could legitimately pose a threat to Hillarys campaign. Bernie is just a stand in to sway the youth and black vote in favor of Dems instead of the GOP and once he drops out of the race most of the people who voted for him won't vote in the primaries.
>>682076583
uh what? you got neither ya dingus.
>>682069324
Lolno, you're just retarded and don't know the first thing about economics.
>>682076872
>>682076583
oh oops, i misunderstood you. i was citing your post to dude above to help support your point.
>>682075322
>They haven't actually done their own independant investigation.
What makes you say that?
>According to our latest estimates
>To determine government spending for each of the five remaining presidential candidates, we relied on our previous analyses of the major fiscal plans
>Our estimates are based on what is available so far, and of course they will change as new policies are released.
>As the campaign continues, we will be releasing further analysis of their policies and continuing to update these figures to account for new policies and proposals.
We are evaluating every claim with fiscal implications made during official presidential debates, to the extent practicable. We are also checking select other fiscal claims said on the campaign trail, with emphasis on those that garner significant media attention.
>copypasta'd some shit out of each of the plans
Did they not just use the numbers the candidates themselves put out to generate these graphics? In either case (if they did or if they just pulled it from the candidate's site) Bernie is increasing government spending by roughly 33%.
>>682073901
this tbh, with a side of voting cruz in the primary before it got too hopeless
OK OP you've made my mind up, totally voting for Bernie. If for no other reason than seeing ignorance like yours shitposted. Please get your GED and the free college education Bernie is going to provide for all Americans, you need it. Keep feeling the Bern.
ITT 16 year old Libertarians who watched a Peter Schiff youtube video
>>682077122
"In the 1990s, CRFB formed a "Cost Containment Coalition" that objected to the Clinton Health Care reform proposals and any new taxes to pay for health care. CRFB's opposition was portrayed as a tough, principled stand, but years later, documents were revealed that showed the Tobacco Institute, a now defunct industry lobbying group, funding the coalition[4] while Philip Morris funded CRFB President Carol Cox Wait.[5] Internal Philip Morris memos found in the Tobacco Library describe how the firm worked with CRFB to set up the coalition to help the company achieve its "overriding objective" of avoiding tobacco excise taxes as part of any health care reform package (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Committee_for_a_Responsible_Federal_Budget)."
Your source is highly questionable.
>>682076080
Nothing is free.
Instead of taking out student loans and repaying them in 15 years, you'll be repaying them until the day you die. Bernie will tell you your education is free while you suck on a massive tax hike to pay for that "free" education.
Another thing to think about is tuition rates skyrocketed because the loans are guaranteed by the gov't so it doesn't matter if the student can pay anymore, the colleges still get their money. So they jack up rates because they always get paid.
And who made those massive tuition hikes happen? Who controls our education system? Liberals. Funny how they blame the banks for student loan debt when it's the liberals who set tuition rates, not the banks. They know their students are too stupid to figure it out so they just keep going on and on about it.
>>682078330
well that's fucked up. shouldn't we, like, change that?
>>682069324
I smell a racist
>>682078330
>repaying them in 15 years
And for those 15 years instead of buying things, like a house and having the money to start a stable family it is better to pay back loans?
You have also forgotten about the people who will never be able to pay back the loans.
>>682079350
it's a catch 47
>>682073901
>the failed business "man"
>the moron that doesn't know the first thing about politics or economics
>the fool that doesn't know the difference between a gas station and a terror attack
>the man-baby that's so insecure about himself that he'll threaten to sue anyone that insults him
>the idiot that has promised to commit war-crimes
>I would say the guy that's supported by the KKK but most of you idiots would view that as a positive thing
>clearly the best choice
Kill yourself please.
>>682069324
Only candidate against whom a Hillary win is a positive.
>>682069725
This sounds like the usual Bernie Sanders support talk, no facts, just errant bullshit. Not to mention the OP didn't even say he was completely in love for Trump, some people don't like any of the presidential runners.
>>682079536
Here's your (you)
>>682079649
>the usual Bernie Sanders support
Go somewhere besides 4chan for once in your life. Maybe then you'll realize how much of an idiot you are.
>>682070086
I mean to be honest, both trump and sanders (if watered down forms) could be viable. But still our congress is bought.
>>682070086
I think this turd is more viable than that turd because the turd club has to pass all these shitty policies.
>>682069324
Op is a faggot confirmed.
>>682079911
I know how we both can win.. Bernie/Trump ticket
>>682080028
Political illiteracy at its finest.
>>682080053
Kill yourself.
>>682080053
That would be the kekkiest pair ever. Would win because of the lulz alone.
>>682080187
>kekkiest
Fuck off newfag.
>>682080126
Implying I'm wrong in assuming basically any politician is a piece of shit. It didn't even matter who we get for potus as the nation is fucked one way or another.
>>682079536
Yeah I mean Trump kinda got out of hand with the sensationalism, and so did Bernie claiming everything is going to be free. There won't be a wall, college won't be free.
>>682080286
Feel the Bern!
9. He misuses the term 'revolution'. There's nothing revolutionary about peacefully electing a candidate using grassroots methods
10. He's deceiving many young Americans into thinking that bourgeois socialism can actually address wage labor issues
11. His proposed economic policies do nothing for the working class and will just perpetuate the living inequalities that are necessary for the function of a capitalist economy
>>682079860
i found the sjw retard
here's more of your kind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpm1Mz7Fk_s&feature=youtu.be
>>682080423
Let's not forget that the wealth will not be redistributed from the wealthy. They'll just leave for another nation if there's some hint of their fortune being taken and handed out.
>>682080655
There are retards on all sides.
>tfw you'll never see the people break the chains of capitalism
>>682080655
I've seen more violence against trump supporters in my Facebook feed, and I'm friends with a lot of people who are pro sanders.
>>682080613
> will just perpetuate the living inequalities that are necessary for the function of a capitalist economy
You probably mean...
> will just perpetuate the living inequalities inevitable in a world where there is scarcity.
>>682080893
Those chains are unbreakable so long as the poor out-reproduce the rich.
>>682080971
its the only thing they can do. make loud noises, or when that baby tactic doesnt work, they start hitting people
>accepting and peaceful
>>682080840
not in equal distribution though, some ideologies cater to the retarded
>>682081462
All ideologies cater to the retarded because the retarded are the majority of the population.
>>682081110
Few things are scarce in this world. The only reason energy and food aren't free is because the rich like their place on top. This isn't about some prick that will sit in a big chair either. There's enough natural energy to capture that we shouldn't ever need to burn oil again.
>>682080655
>>682080971
Being angry and violent doesn't discriminate. Except for Hillary events, because the rich people don't take swings at each other..
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/02/a_list_of_violent_incidents_at_donald_trump_rallies_and_events.html
>>682069324
What's even the point of posting these anymore? It's mathematically impossible for him to get the nomination.
>>682081888
> The only reason energy and food aren't free is because the rich like their place on top.
How are the rich preventing the rest from going to the supermarket someone built to get the free food that someone planted then harvested then refrigerated then transported sometimes 1000 of kilometers, using energy that is 100% freely obtainable by anyone?
>>682072073
>>>682071847
>OP here, yea I hope so.
>http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-03/justice-gives-immunity-to-clinton-staffer-who-set-up-private-email-server
>Also, where are her transcripts and what is old Bernie hiding in his tax returns?
>>inb4 he released them
>He released one and only one. Where are the rest Bernster? What are you hiding?
Waiting for Hillary to keep her promise and release the transcripts. Bernie's taxes are boring af
>>682082032
>slate.com
lol'd
>>682082037
>impossible
A better word would be improbable
>>682071367
/thread
>>682069324
Which is why he's not getting the nomination, Hillary is obviously going to win even though nobody in their right mind wants to vote for her
>>682071367
+1 internet to this poster pls.
>>682079536
>"He has billions but he totally failed as a business man!"
You people are hysterical.
>>682069324
Are people still talking about this guy? He's history, throw him in the trash where he belongs.
>>682082189
Obviously you have to put the equipment down to get things going. Nobody has the money, influence, and interest to make stuff that will pay for itself. Especially not when they could be selling a fuck ton of oil with artificially inflated prices.
As for the free food, it's not like automating farms would be hard. Plants mostly take care of themselves as long as there's decent conditions.
This isn't even a strawman anymore. This is just a blatant lie.
He essentially tries to bring to the US what all western countries have already in place: an actually working government and western values.
>>682071367
Holy hell, your type of people are the reason this country sucks.
Just in case you do not understand, I'm calling you an idiot.
You can google that words definition.
>>682082993
Kek
>>682083083
>>682082940
>actually working government
lol
>>682082408
Video evidence is video evidence.
>>682083083
because he doesn't want to pay the government to pay for his healthcare and then have to buy private insurance on top of that for even more money, like anyone who's not poor in those "modern western country" does?
yeah... he sucks XD XD
>>682082993
Top left is the world we'll live in no matter who becomes president.
>>682076706
Your information is amazingly accurate.
>>682069725
And I thought trump supporters were supposed to be the violent ones...
>>682082846
> Obviously you have to put the equipment down to get things going.
So your argument is essentially science fictiony equipment.
> Nobody has the money, influence, and interest to make stuff that will pay for itself.
Oh, but there is! The rich people are continually investing in automation. It's the reason why Trumps promise of bringing back jobs is impossible: robots are cheaper than first worlders for most industrial jobs.
> Especially not when they could be selling a fuck ton of oil with artificially inflated prices.
Because getting that oil out of the ground doesn't require buying energy and equipment.
> As for the free food, it's not like automating farms would be hard.
Roombas work GREAT huh? When was the time you owned a farm, paid taxes, bought and operated equipment etc?
Seriously. If some system COULD beat capitalism it WOULD. Socialism hasn't beat capitalism because it would need capitalism to survive. Did you know that the USSR and China kept having currency despite having at one point fully collectivized farming?
>>682080893
>You will never see a modern communist who isn't a sheltered suburbanite
>>682082940
Because what works in Sweden will work in the USA.
>When people try to compare the US to European countries.
>lol
If it would work so well and we could transition so easily and seamlessly why have we not have done it already?
inb4 Illuminati 1% Wall Street billionaires want to keep us all down.
>>682071367
The USA is a mixed economy country. We are not pure free capitalism. We tried that once and it turned out horrible.
"Uneducated community college student" that's an oxymoron. Going to college is the definition of being educated. Also going to college IS doing something with your life. It's LITERALLY the first step in getting into the STEM fields and is a basic requirement for any remotely well paying job that doesn't involve hard manual labor. In fact some labor jobs STILL require some form of higher education.
Don't like free health care? I hope you get severe cancer or AIDS so that you go broke trying to treat or cure it. Those medical bills will fuck you.
That the fuck are you talking about with the ozone? The problem is not the ozone, it's greenhouse gas? Also do explain how us cutting down trees kills the planet but depleting it's resources and spewing massive amounts of pollution into the air, ground, and sea a day isn't?
Go kill yourself, retard.
>>682082846
im hoping youre like 13. please dont be an adult, for the sake of my faith in humanity
>>682082846
Brief addendum:
I think that we should give people a living wage if they don't want to work. PROVIDED they get sterilized first.
Artificial selection should end giving us a more equal society.
>>682082993
someone replace the background of bernies picture with a pic of north korea, because that's what he wants for america!
>>682083822
Do you not know how to use MS paint?
>>682083672
>t's LITERALLY the first step in getting into the STEM fields and is a basic requirement for any remotely well paying job that doesn't involve hard manual labor.
I work in IT. I have 4 rental properties + my own home. Never went to college, dropped out of highschool.
Don't live in USA though. Pricing out my competition isn't hard.
>>682083672
>Go kill yourself, retard.
You are so smug I bet you like the smell of your own farts. I'll take my cancer instead of letting you take my freedoms!
>>682069324
What did you expect from a socialist? For him to understand economy?
Don't make me laugh.
>>682083902
You try to do this on a shitty mouse pad! Forgot my mouse on the train last night. So please someone help me out!
>>682069324
>>682083509
Ah, you prefer to build strawmen. I'll leave you to that then. No sense arguing with somebody who doesn't actually argue back, rather he pretends.
>>682069324
1 Sanders is a faggot
2 He'll never be elected
3 Op is a faggot
4 He'll never get laid
B is Hillary trolls and 14 year olds who think ppl are impressed with Trump
>>682083805
How the hell did you come up with any of this? My goal was to give people better stuff to work on than grinding away at shit a machine could be doing. Machines are fucking stupid which makes them ideal for stupid tasks.
>>682069324
Still better than Hillary.
>>682084503
That's the thing. You can't give people better stuff to do because you don't have money. Here's how you do what you do what you want to do:
1) become super-uber-capitalist
2) put regular capitalists out of business
3) give free shit to anyone who does... something better than grinding away at a machine.
Until you do that you can only try to steal the means of productions from those who DEVELOPED them and put them into the hands of those who OPERATE them. There's a reason plane pilots fly and engineers create the planes and not the other way around.
Oh, I'm also in favor of eliminating inheritance to maximize social mobility. I get called a commie when I say that. Go figure!
>>682069324
We are so fucked if its not Bernie m8
>>682084235
>Fucking live the capitalist dream and do the work yourself. Don't expect any hand outs.
>>682069324
HIS PROMISE IS THAT YOUR SEVERANCE CHECK(google this complicated term) WILL PAY FOR THE 52 WEEKS WHILE YOUR USELESS ASSHOLE FINDS A FAIR JOB!
Greetings from Mexico, we've already elected our Trump twice in a row and we're havin' a laugh watching you lose California back to Mexico.
>>682069324
>Bankrupt the country
How do you bankrupt a country that's in debt
You started to not make sense from step 1
>>682084235
No.
>>682085015
Best picture ever. I'd replace batman with geriatric robin though.
>>682069324
I agree. Bernie Sanders is a shit tier candidate, and anyone who votes for him is probably a millenial fuckwit. I doubt any of the Bernie supporters in this thread can vote, considering they are underage niggerfaggots.
Everything from the Bernie supporters is NOT AN ARGUMENT
>>682085107
Go Mexico! USA annexing 2/3rds your territory war was crap.
>>682085107
>watching you lose California back to Mexico
Really? You'd take them? PLEASE fucking take those faggots. Just make sure you have 5th level otherkin bathrooms or they'll bitch until you cave.
>>682085264
Mexico's havin' a laugh, m8.
We're getting Arizona, Colorado, and Texas back now.
>>682085264
Well, they ARE arguments, to be fair. Just invalid arguments.
>>682085321
Who are you calling a second/third?
Do you know the definition of it?
>>682085395
Kill yourself, spic. You conquered those lands, and we took them from you. You will be deported, along with your entire wetback family. The day of the rope is coming soon.
I'm far more amazed that people support Hillary than I am that people support Sanders.
>>682085353
That would be 51% of your economy right there.
Are you sure you don't love California, USA?
>>682085264
>>682085482
>>682085526
I mean mexico used to be like about the same size as USA then USA beat them in war and annexed 66% or so of their territory. Something like that, IDK, read about that decades ago.
>>682085626
> Deflecting when unable to refute
Typical Berned vict... I mean fanboy.
>>682085542
You conquered them, this makes me fear for your point.
We payed no mind to those shitters, our president who made a funeral for his left foot gave them away to you.
Now that they're rich they'll come back crawling to our haven. unless you elect someone with half the wit of a worm for office. Something we can trust the gringos will do 98% of the time.
>>682085482
>kill yourself
>Trump is literally Hitler!!!1!111
>racist
>implying those are arguments
Some (poor) arguments are being made in support of Bernie the Cuck, but those aren't arguments.
>>682085572
You keep the faggots, the actual Americans stuck there will surely be moving back to the actual US rather than become mexicans. Enjoy your overly entitled SJWs.
>51%
>pic very related
>>682069324
>>682085906
Lets try this again...
>>682085973
>le Trump is LITERALLY Hitler meme
XDDDDD bro
You sure showed us lolol
not a bernie fan but
1. his border policy is pretty much the same as trumps
2. he's an isolationist
>>682085906
Mexico did legalize gay marriage on a federal level before any of the 'united states' did.
All you fags are welcome in Mexico, with open arms.
No need for OP to hide anymore.
>>682085973
>Lets put a picture of a person giving a fiery speech next to Mussolini and Hitler!
>It's totes the same guise SEEEEE!!!
>>682085900
Well, I meant free shit for everybody stuff rather than the shitposting. Just ignore the shitposting, anon, everyone does that.
>>682085973
Say what you want about /pol/ and Trump supporters, but they blow the fuck out of you guys in Internet fights. You really gotta find another way to communicate your side of the argument besides through ebin memes.
ITT dank memes
Just kidding they're terrible. You are all so unfunny it's painful.
>>682085626
Why do you think fear and hate are bad things? Fear and hate have been, and still are, incredibly useful in the survival of our people.
Fear and hate are often justified.
>>682086076
Both of those points are blatantly false.
The burden of proof rest upon the believers.
This means Trump-fags have to prove why they'd suck his tiny cock on demand.
>>682086076
>1. his border policy is pretty much the same as trumps
Are you retarded?
>2. he's an isolationist
No. No he isn't.
I think you are trolling
>>682076167
Don't think that's meant to be an argument, just a statement
>>682086412
Fuck off, no one wants the opinions of a fag born in the United Cuckdom. Trump can make America great again, but your shithole will be Islamic before long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SbxzNWVkAA
Pic is VERY related.
>>682086341
I think you confused this /pol/itics shitpositing thread with a YLYL one, anon.
>>682083481
Although an interesting perspective, it's unproven assumptions. There's no reason to believe this unless you want to. But it definitely could be true.
Pond Scum>Trump>Bernie>Hillary
>>682086583
The uprising against sex-neutral bathrooms is literally SHARIA fucking LAW!
Enjoy your the Islamic States of America.
>>682086807
>The uprising against sex-neutral bathrooms is literally SHARIA fucking LAW!
That is false. Are you even trying?
Have fun, lad.
>>682086328
That's the problem
>>682087127
No mate, I'm not trying.
If I was I'd post the same 4MB image as you.
Pic related, Trump-administered Washington, District of Columbia.
>>682087127
Look, I'm well informed about Londonuzbequistan already, my problem is not with you towel-heads.
My problem is with the people who demean you.
Don't help, we'll systematically remove this pest like any sort of roach or scum.
>>682069324
(this YOU OP, not Bernie)
>>682087579
>My problem is with the people who demean you.
Why do you hate white people?
>>682085706
Haha, the Tequila got to my head, amigo.
My bad.
what the fuck happened to you merkins, even here im greeted by a bunch och snubcocked cucks whenever politics come into question. ya'll niggas used to be hard :(
>>682087837
>>682070058
>my first
BUUUUULLLLLLLSSSSHHHHHIIIIIIITTTT.
You fucking shills have been here for fucking months. You really think we don't know when retards like you are intruding for the sole purpose of pushing a political agenda?
>>682087843
You are wrong, I only hate fat, white, southern educated,scumbags like all of your friends.
>>682069324
>implies economically impossible plans
>supports Trickle Down, the only economically verified false model.
Your argument is 100% invalid. Also, you're a fucking retard.
>>682088017
>fat
I weigh less than the average American woman in 2016
>white
I am white
>Southern educated
Northerner here
>scumbag
In the eyes of many. Although I am not particularly concerned with what the leftists and cuckservatives think of me.
Sounds like a good start. Then we can fix the related issues, while perfecting the approaches. We need change, and we need to wake up the house/senate. Also, he can't make those changes with out house/senate. If he is voted in = not congressional support. If Trump voted in = no congressional support. If Hillary voted in, well, she's funded by the same guys congress is, so... I want change, even if it means some rough years.
>>682088180
Are you implying that socialist "economics" are better than capitalist economics?
>>682088265
You call this food, please shut your fucking mouth, you have never felt hunger, understand?
>>682069324
Imagine you were born to illegal parents, and they get deported when you're still young. What do?
>>682088399
Went a few days without eating before, but I haven't been close to starving.
Do you call this food?
>>682088568
Vote Sanders, your days of pandering to the unreachable class are over.
>>682088421
>b-but muh anchor babies!
>implying feelings are a legitimate reason to not secure our borders and a good future for America
Typical millenial.
>>682088363
Nice poisoned well you've got here. Mind if I drink from it?
No.
100% socialist economics fail.
100% capitalist economics fail.
What you have to do is create a balance between the scummy corruptibility of Capitalism with the regulations and government-controlled oversite of socialism to make a socioeconomically stable hybrid.
This is what the Keynesian economic model is all about. You can't have too much fucking Capitalism because it looks like (pic related).
The choice is NOT "(A) or (B)", it a titration of what values of each you give to get the desired solution.
>>682088609
>Vote Sanders
Socialism is immoral, unfeasible, and frankly retarded. I will never vote for any socialist except a National Socialist.
>>682088658
What words explain to an 8 year old American Citizen that his unalienable rights are null?
Please, fell free to use your websters while reading this post.
>>682088814
Then drive yourself to scurvy on fucking jap foods, you literal fucking NAZI.
>>682088814
BOOGA BOOGA
DEM EVIL SOSHULIZMS GONNA COME AND DO A HITLER ON THE NATION!!
>except a national socialist
You mean a Fascist, you retarded untermensch twat.
Seriously. YOU are everything that's wrong with First World politics right now. You have a DUTY to education yourself or kill yourself. You have FAILED as a citizen of this nation.
>>682088830
It would be easy to justify deporting illegal immigrants and any children born to them. They broke the law so they should be deported, and the child should go with them.
Trump's plans:
>be a complete fucking whale
>>682088363
The Japanese do just fine and do great work. I'd much rather work in Italy than USA. They get federally mandated paid vacation several weeks a year, yet everyone seams happy, including the bosses of all of those top rated companies.
>>682089101
>in·al·ien·a·ble
>inˈālēənəb(ə)l/
>adjective
>unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor.
>"freedom of religion, the most inalienable of all human rights"
>synonyms: inviolable, absolute, sacrosanct;
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=DEFINE%3AUNALIANABLE
>>682088999
>>except a national socialist
>You mean a Fascist, you retarded untermensch twat.
Right, kinda like if someone says to move to a democracy, and I joke that I would move to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Just because it has "Democratic" in the name doesn't mean it is democratic, you fucking idiot.
>>682088830
How about an 8 year old mentality (also known as Gifted level Republican).
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside."
ALL PERSONS BORN IN THE UNITED STATES ARE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES.
Are "anchor babies" an exploit of this? Perhaps, but that's still the LEGAL writing as found in the Constitution.
>>682089269
It doesn't fucking matter, you idiot. There are gun control laws, despite that part of the Second Amendment that says "shall not be infringed". There is a surveillance state that violates constitutional rights every day. The only way to solve America's problems is to take drastic measures.
>>682088999
Trips check,
Mein Negger,
>>682089421
We the people approve.
>>682088999
Except I have educated myself on socialism. That's why I think it is immoral.
>>682089524
Then elect the crazy socialist Sanders.
If you want change, do something different.
>>682089642
The 9th circle of hell is reserved for the Pope.
Think you know why?
Think again.
>think
>>682069324
Someone tell me how Hillary and Bernie can be so different even when they're in the same party? It's fucking insane, the whole point of being in the same party is that they have the same political views, right?
American politics is spasticated
>>682088421
Well I'd probly recognize that my parents willingly broke the laws of the land that I was born in and I'd have to accept their fate because I understand how laws work.
I also understand that emotions should play no part in law/policy making or enforcement.
>>682090136
>how Hillary and Bernie can be so different even when they're in the same party?
Bernie Sanders has been an independent candidate since the 1980's
He belongs to no party!
>>682089712
I do not want open borders. America will never recover from that.
I do not want single-payer healthcare. That means I have to pay more for obscure diseases, and women (who use more healthcare resources than men) despite being a relatively healthy man.
I do not want more gun control. That is senseless and does nothing to reduce violent crime. Just look at inner cities and tell me how well gun control has worked.
I do not want free college for everyone who meets the requirements. That means I would have to pay for already moronic kids, fresh out of the indoctrination centers known as American Highschools, to be further brainwashed in worthless humanities degrees.
I do not want a cuck like Bernie, the man who said he would apologize for slavery and give blacks reparations, to be president.
TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT
>>682089642
If you think "socialism" applies in ANY way, shape or form to US politics or any candidates thereof, you are a liar and a fucking moron.
Only low-level Fox drones are stupid enough to associate Socialism (the political power model) with "socialistic"/"socialist" as it pertains to first world ECONOMICS.
Now, seriously, go educated yourself or just fucking drink bleach. This planet has enough retards already.
>>682090199
>law
The law as written also states that if you're a well to do, tax paying, member of the society of the United States of America and any of its States or commonwealths then you are, by Birth Right, an American Citizen.
Congradulations, you are a member of the worst of the worst.
No one can question or deny that. Not even this mop-head trump.
>>682090136
In truth, they aren't THAT far apart. They just have to appear more extreme because that's what you do to win primaries. Afterwards, they'll be pushing a centrist/moderate approach because that's what wins national elections.
>>682090365
>If you think "socialism" applies in ANY way, shape or form to US politics or any candidates thereof, you are a liar and a fucking moron.
>Implying Bernie isn't a socialist
>Implying Bernie's rhetoric isn't straight out of the Communist Manifesto
>le stupid Fox News viewer meme
>>682090273
Preach muh nigga preach!
Honestly yeah, I'm ok with ruining an entire country. Fuck it, shit country anyway, fuck it all up. Anarchy.
>>682090570
Just vote for Bernie then :^)
>>682090273
>I do not want open borders.
Say Hi to Canada, it exist.
>I do not want single-payer healthcare.
Where the fuck have you been since 2008?
>I do not want more gun control.
Literally all you're good for is your informed vote.
No one wants to rape your rat-faced children.
>I do not want free college for everyone who meets the requirements
Then you're a troll, you got me to respond, well played.
>I do not want a cuck like Bernie
How many nigger cocks did your wife take in front of you before you turned to trump or the hills?
>>682090570
Then vote Bernie, at-least he will have the brains to keep the fires lit after tesla's generators in the falls break.
>>682090273
What really needs to realistically happen is the Americo-Mexican Union so we can legally go in with military force and completely destroy the cartels and drug gangs to get some semblance of order back up and running in Mexican politics.
Mexico and Central America have gotten REALLY bad with no one challenging the shitstains in power and the cartels' power. The only way to fix anything in those nations is for that to change.
The stupid isolationists on both sides of the border will never allow that to happen though, so they're basically fucked.
>>682071367
ok buddy, go jack off to Atlas shrugged and laugh about how a 70 billion dollar plan is "economically impossible" while supporting a 50k standard deduction, fucking dumb ass
>>682090496
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case.
>>682090872
>A United North America
I'm all in for buying my beans in Ameros.
Fuck the EU, let's show them how it's done.
>>682073901
that is the flimsiest fucking reason, you clearly don't give a shit about policy, "muh friends like bernie he's good," "bernie believes in wage gap cant vote bernie"
>>682090496
>Implying Bernie isn't a socialist
He's not.
>Implying Bernie's rhetoric isn't straight out of the Communist Manifesto
Wait, are you being fucking serious right now?
>>682071954
climate change is a joke, most of the sensors are planted and moved.
is a pseudo science to make data look real.
Hurr ill put 1 sensor here for 10 years on ice then build a airport on top of it and not account for the airplane exhaust and tarmac heat asa environmental change.
Literally it was just a big hoax to make billions. If you havent seen that by now your a fukin tard.
>>682083822
you can't be this stupid, agree with him or not that is so fucking far from his ideology, its like saying trump is a communist
>>682091196
>not account for the airplane exhaust
They do, they always have.
What in the blue fuck are you smoking?
>>682090699
>Say Hi to Canada, it exist.
Canada's doing so well, as we all know
>Where the fuck have you been since 2008?
Many countries around the world, including the US. The US does not have single-payer healthcare. Obama care is an insurance mandate. It's shit.
>Literally all you're good for is your informed vote.
No one wants to rape your rat-faced children.
I think you misunderstand the reason we have the Second Amendment.
>Then you're a troll, you got me to respond, well played.
I'm a troll because I don't think the government should steal money from people to indoctrinate their children. Okay. Fuck off.
>How many nigger cocks did your wife take in front of you before you turned to trump or the hills?
I do not have a wife. I live in an area that is 99% white. I have seen a grand total of 1 black person in the area.
>>682090944
Bernie Sanders is a Socialist. I don't even understand how you can deny that. There is a growing trend towards Socialism in America
>>682090918
Not him, but I don't support the Federal Government controlling education. It should be completely up to states.
>>682091125
I agree. Mexico and Central America really need help and we're the goddamned "world police".
NTM lots of land for realty interests once the crime is taken care of and travel/tourism are re-established. (This is actually how Mexico was during the 60s-90s).
We can make a union with them and Canada and pool our economic resources the same way Europe did.
We just need some way to convince the retarded isolationists.
>hey look, it's another episode of 4chan tries to understand basic economic principles
Even for a Donald Trump supporter, this is pretty cringey bait.
>>682091150
>implying the idea of the rich class oppressing and stealing from the poor isn't rooted in Marxist ideology
It's almost like you haven't read the book
>>682090872
Literally if you just legalize all drugs, cartels will fail. The only reason why they are still in power is their drug money. where do they get drug money, i would think thru drugs.
From there it should be personal responsibility to regulate yourself.
Seriously like if you cant stop injecting heroin and do nothing for society, why should society care for you.?
>>682091378
>live in an area that is 99% white. I have seen a grand total of 1 black person in the area.
You don't say?
>>682091196
LITERALLY kill yourself.
>>682091378
That man is a Sheikah, not a Muslim, Saudi or Jew. Your retarded image reveals nothing save for your childishly racist inability to identify cultures.
>>682091441
Son, during the 60's one Peso was worth 10 Dollars.
Tourism has never been stronger, and the US has 10% world influence despite its excessive 800 military bases around the world.
Far from a world police, more like that annoying brother who thinks he's in charge of the house for the half hour the parents are gone.
>>682091693
>That man is a Sheikah, not a Muslim, Saudi or Jew
When did I say that he was a Muslim, saudi or Jew?
Nice job latching onto that one strawman, instead of addressing "literally" anything else in the post.
>>682091583
Nice argument libertard.
avg democrat, just yell and scream like a child.
>implying austin peterson isnt the best choice candidate to really make america great again,.
>>682091378
>education should be up to the states
We've ALL seen how well THAT works, right?
Texas Board of Education, I'm looking at you!!
Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, your numbers are falling again, go rewrite your textbooks please!
>>682091797
Go to /pol/.
/b/ is flooded with underage bernie cucks and /b/ is shit, so you can't have a decent discussion.
>>682088659
You know we broke away from England because they wanted to increase taxes to 4%. 4%. Think about that for a minute.
Sanders wants to take 40% minimum from everyone, however if you are more successful in life you might end up paying 90%. Nothing motivates people faster than saying if you are successful we will take 90% of your pay.
So now that sanders has taken half of your paycheck and 90% of your bosses paycheck and the two of you are just scraping by, where do you think the money goes? College right? Look at the kids there. Screaming Black Lives Matter and I need my Safe Place and they can't even figure out what gender they are supposed to be. You money will go to fueling their aspirations to do nothing with their lives because you will be there to pay for it. Sounds like a waste of money to me.
No, i can tell you now that I am better at living my life than the government would be and i am pretty sure that you are too. So lets shrink the government, re-institute constitutional law, abolish the IRS, and live our lives the way we were meant to; free from government interference.
>>682069324
Non of his economic plans cost anywhere near as much as the US already pays on its militery.
It wouldent damage the US, Americans are just broken abd there country is going to collaps.
>>682091441
Canada would make the world trust the US and Mexico would save the US' failing economy.
The Amero and the United American Zone would be a favor, just like NAFTA, just like NATO.
Your spoiled ass wouldn't be asked for permission and you'd never realize if it was around.
>>682090273
>>682090445
What's the point of this post?
Are you trying to explain to me what birthright citizenship is? I know what it is.
I think it's bullshit and it's clearly being abused.
>>682091708
Did you hear all that shit on Zorro News?
>tourism never been stronger
That's false.
Every Mexican territory is exceedingly corrupt and deals with tons of kidnappings and muggings of tourists. There are also curfews in effect in most of them for keeping people safe from the Cartel scum and corrupt as shit police who work for them.
Mexico is a shithole.
>>682091854
>implying the federal government hasn't rewritten history
>implying the federal government has been successful at educating the American people
We've ALL seen how well the Federal Government works. It's only massively increased school spending while test scores have flatlined. It's only created the least skilled generation in American history (i.e. Millenials). It's only brainwashed students with Common Core, which was partially written to help end 'White Privilege'.
>>682091914
>looking for decent discussion
>/pol/
Pick one, faggot.
>>682091936
You understand that the 4 percent that England wanted went straight to King George's pocket, while the 90% that Bill Gates has agreed to pay if Sanders is elected would go straight to your children stomach while studying in public school?
>INB4 No Chillun, no taxorz.
You transit on a safe street, don't you?
>>682091936
>No, i can tell you now that I am better at living my life than the government would be and i am pretty sure that you are too. So lets shrink the government, re-institute constitutional law, abolish the IRS, and live our lives the way we were meant to; free from government interference.
God Bless
>>682092179
There are no curfews in any mexican state.
You, my friend, have been watching Fox News.
>>682092024
Explain how Trump will get rid of liberty.
>>682092236
It's better than /b/ you doublenigger.
>>682092411
White==Trump Safe
!White:
exit()
>>682092269
>while the 90% that Bill Gates has agreed to pay if Sanders is elected would go straight to your children stomach while studying in public school?
HAHAHAHA. Government bureaucracies are notoriously inefficient. If you think that money will be going towards a good use, you are delusional. The fact is, even now, billions of tax dollars are WASTED.
>>682091936
We broke away from England because they wouldn't let us make our own currency and we would be forever indebted to the Bank of England and its interests for our continued use of their currency and labels for exporting goods, you retard. That has nothing to do with taxes.
>more successful in life
Right. can we roll out the Red Carpet and have some organ music play for the fucking "Job Creators" please?
>half your paycheck
You're funny. stupid as shit but funny.
>unironically dissenting against higher learning
AMERICA! READING IS FOR FAGGOTS!
[kill yourself]
>shrink the government
You'd have a point if we didn't already have a tiny, almost full-deregulated government thanks to the Bush Administration and it almost cost us another Great Depression.
>Free from government influence
The door is RIGHT there. Go enjoy your life in Somalia. Hope you know how to clean water, sanitize food, make safe drugs, etc.
>>682092593
I ate a free lunch every day in public school.
I'd probably gotten your uncle out of jail 10 times by now, and that's with the current administration.
Imagine if we all worked towards a better future!
>>682092411
http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/02/donald-trump-libel-laws-219866
>>682092649
>Right. can we roll out the Red Carpet and have some organ music play for the fucking "Job Creators" please?
People with more money can start businesses and employ people. They create jobs. If you take more money from "rich" people (remember the top 10% earns 150,000 and up) you only discourage them from having more kids or opening a business.
>unironically dissenting against higher learning
It's more like higher indoctrination. College is an example of how to produce a well educated idiot.
>You're funny. stupid as shit but funny.
It will happen if Bernie becomes president, which he won't
>You'd have a point if we didn't already have a tiny, almost full-deregulated government
This is blatantly false
>The door is RIGHT there. Go enjoy your life in Somalia.
Nice. "If you don't like it, GET OUT!"
>>682092762
What's wrong with wanting news agencies to print articles that are factual instead of false?
Or would you prefer they could print whatever they like, pass it off as fact, and sway people's opinions in whichever direction they wish while suffering no repercussions?
>>682092762
That's hardly the death of liberty. That means that companies can be sued for libel with broader guidelines
The United Mexican States rings as true as ever.
From sea to shit filled sea.
>>682093177
>well educated idiot
Project a little more, please. I'm enjoying those tears.
>>682093480
>Project a little more, please. I'm enjoying those tears.
Mate, I think those are your own tears after realizing you wasted 4 years of your life studying Critical Race Theory.
>>682074060
There is no god.
>>682093480
>Zorro, no te lo lleves!
>Oh, rayos!
>>682093380
Here he explains it better than I could.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X86sNK9A2o
>>682069324
>only strawman arguments
but then again this is /b/ so what else to expect
>>682093177
American entrepreneurship and start-ups don't come from the super rich anymore. They come from social media and ingenuity.
The super wealthy are the biggest drains on the US economy. They hold a full 35% of the liquidity of the economy, they outsource every little job to Vietnam, China, HK and India, they destroyed the Industrial companies, they pay nowhere NEAR their share of taxes and they engage in criminal nepotism and shell games with multiple corporations and partnerships for investment.
Once upon a time, our rich were wealthy American entrepreneurs who we looked up to BECAUSE they supported the wealth of the nation and employed its people. Those days are LONG GONE. The rich are nothing but plutocrat parasites now.
>>682093915
>American entrepreneurship and start-ups don't come from the super rich anymore
>150,000
>super rich
Are you retarded? I didn't say it came from the super rich. It comes from the well off.
>>682093177
How much do you need to start a business? I doubt it's not more than a few 100k. Wouldn't it produce more jobs, having more people with a couple 100k instead of few people with a couple million?
>>682094074
Whoops, the 'not' is not supposed to be there
>>682094074
>Wouldn't it produce more jobs, having more people with a couple 100k instead of few people with a couple million?
Exactly, and that's why tax rates for the top 25%, even the top 10% should not be significantly raised. Taxes should be lowered.
>>682094068
What validity is that 150k you're referring to?
The enemy are the super rich, not the upper middle class.
Are you attempting to poison the well by claiming that those making 100-200k are just as bad as the CEO types?
>>682094510
>Are you attempting to poison the well by claiming that those making 100-200k are just as bad as the CEO types?
Retard confirmed.
I referred to the top 10%, which make around 150,000 and up. Bernie would SIGNIFICANTLY raise their taxes.
The super rich are not the enemy, but nice Marxist talking point.
>>682094211
How 'bout no, you crazy bastard?
Bush already lowered all the taxes. It contributed to freefalling jobs, a 1.4 trillion dollar annual deficit and a DOUBLING of the national debt.
We're not stupid enough to fall for that shit again.
Romney paid 13% in income tax. I pay about 25%.
In what Universe is that right?
>>682094667
>the super rich are not the enemy
Yes. Yes they are. You can't even argue otherwise.
>>682094667
>Marxist
Good goyim, good. The billionaires are your friends!
>>682086345
One can be afraid of the unknown, or have a biased hatred; Instead of doing their own research.
We as a society need to progress to skepticism, in place of emotion, because when we use our logic more frequently than our emotions, it leads to more rational decisions.
>>682094667
The super rich are the enemy. The top 1% make more than the bottom 95%.
>>682094846
>the super rich are not the enemy
No. No they aren't. You can't even argue otherwise.
>>682094933
I don't like the blanket statement that the rich people are the enemy. Many rich people are the enemy, specifically the rich jews, but not every one of them.
>>682069324
>1. Bankrupt the country with economically impossible plans.
You do know all of Bernies plans can be implemented within the current budget?
Also, the money spent by the Government doesn't disappear into a black hole, it goes straight back into the economy.
Also, it isn't possible for the US to go "bankrupt"(or any country with its own central bank).
>>682094211
While it would make some sense to lower the taxes for those with that kind of money, it shouldn't include people who own far more, e.g. a couple million.
>>682095009
And?
>>682095076
> Jews
Here we go.
>>682095099
>Also, the money spent by the Government doesn't disappear into a black hole, it goes straight back into the economy.
Lol. So those billions that are being sent to Mexico, those dollars are going right back into the American economy. And all the unemployed? They're great for the economy.
>>682095209
Sorry for pointing out the obvious truth that there are many rich and powerful Jews who hate America as it is and want to ruin it with mass immigration and marxism.
>>682095133
and are you saying that it is ok for the top 60 people to have more wealth than 3 billion people?
>>682095286
But rich people hoarding excess money, because they like being rich seems unfeasible to you?
>>682095133
Let's say there are ten pies.
One guy takes 9 1/2 of them for himself.
Another 19 million people are to divvy up the "rest of the pie" amongst themselves.
YOU are the imbecile with a crumb arguing with other people who have crumbs that the one guy was perfectly justified in his actions and that no course of action should be taken in terms of regulation to keep him from being allowed to continue doing so. For good measure, you pay a higher percent of your earnings to the government than he does, and you agree with THAT as well. Finally, he controls a business that has the work of 90% of its staff done by enslaved 8 year olds in third world countries all at the cost of American jobs, the stability of the American economy and NO benefit except to his own greedy pocket.
You have two opinions for an explanation of your behavior:
1) Stockholm Syndrome
2) You're completely retarded.
>>682095373
Who the fuck is supposed to decide how much money someone can have? At some point you would have to forcefully (ie VIOLENTLY) steal someones money.
>>682095570
>But rich people hoarding excess money, because they like being rich seems unfeasible to you?
No. I don't like the Marxist rhetoric of 'the rich are the enemy'
>>682095286
>>682095220
>Lol. So those billions that are being sent to Mexico
Idiot.
>>682091936
It's not 90% you fucking dolt, it's 45-60, and if you're fucking making over 500k, or into the millions, your bonuses will most likely make up for the extra taxes they'd pay. Regardless, if you're making that much fucking money, most hoard it in offshore bank accounts.
ffs, use your brain.
>>682095730
Vive la Révolution.
You can only hold all the resources back from the masses for so long. We're already to the point where their strain on the economy directly affect crime rates.
We just need a good, American-made Guillotine business start-up.
>>682095824
Well, its not like yours is any better, I would even say its often regarded as worse.
>>682091936
Yes, I remember that time all the noble man left england because of the tax hike.
>>682095730
Put another way:
Marie Antoinette: "let them eat cake."
Modern Republicans: "let them die in the streets."
>>682095721
>
YOU are the imbecile with a crumb arguing with other people who have crumbs that the one guy was perfectly justified in his actions and that no course of action should be taken in terms of regulation to keep him from being allowed to continue doing so.
Inequality is natural because no one is equal. Men are different to women, whites are different to blacks. Therefore it is illogical to assume that they should get equal treatment or equal income, or whatever it is oyu are proposing.
Friendly reminder, regulation has only enabled corporation to grow larger. For example an increased minimum wage would favor large corporations, because small businesses would not be able to afford that, and they would go out of business, thus reducing competition. A truly free market is the best way to increase competition.
>For good measure, you pay a higher percent of your earnings to the government than he does, and you agree with THAT as well
Except I don't. I don't want any federal income tax, estate tax, etc. Taxes should be as low as possible, if they even exist.
>>682095730
No one is saying that. Raising taxes on people that spend 5% to 10% of their wealth, while the average person spends 100% to 110% of there wealth seems fare. Also when tax dogging and putting their money in off shore tax havens is very hard to get passed.
>>682076080
USA. Currently. Bankrupt, most of it caused by the expense, and poor quality, of our public education system. The more we spend, the dumber the students become.
>>682080792
>the dumbest fucking argument there is
>>682095993
>We're already to the point where their strain on the economy directly affect crime rates.
Nah, man. That's the niggers and spics.
>>682096193
What is the solution to people dying in the streets? Is it to steal money from those more well off, thus lowering the money they have to raise kids, start a business etc.? Or is it to have a voluntary system where people DONATE to charities and help people of their own volition instead of at the barrel of a gun?
>>682096298
>No one is saying that.
Except that is what taxation is. Taxation is not optional. It is theft. You are just advocating for more theft from the rich.
>>682096431
Life must be so hard if you have to raise your children on only a million dollars each.
>>682095730
No one is saying that anyone is supposed to dictate that, but c'mon, for a moment, use your brain, imagine, there's a guy or girl with a Lamborghini, owns a mansion, makes millions a year, has millions in bonuses and yet hoards their millions upon millions in offshore bank account; Whilst some starve in the same streets these people walk.
You sincerely think that is ok? In a society where we are advanced enough to understand things in a much more nuanced perspective, you'd sooner pick the black/white thinking.
Shit, there's middle class families who struggle to survive or need gov asst, just to make it by.
Pragmatism needs to take place, no one individual needs FUCKING MILLIONS of dollars to survive, of course they can have their superficial trinkets, but seriously, spread the wealth, the rest of the humanity needs to survive too, you fucking selfish prick.
>>682096411
No it isn't. It's already happening. Wealthy people put their money in tax havens, and move their companies there too.
>>682096258
Holy shit, here I thought I was arguing with a retard all this time; turns out it's much, MUCH worse.
You're seriously a fucking "bootstrap" anarchist? You want the Social Contract dissolved so you can keep a few more pennies to yourself?
What a goddamned mouthbreathing chimp you are. You straight-up don't deserve any of the benefits being American grants you.
>>682096556
We're not talking about just millionaires, you marxist cuck. The top 25% pay the vast majority of taxes, and they make around 100,000 and up.
>>682079536
I watched that John Oliver episode, too. Go watch the Stefan Molyneux rebuttal if it's not too hard to think using your brain for a change, you fucking troglodyte.
>>682096578
What if I have 2 toothbrushes and you don't have one, do I have to give you the other? Now what if I have 100, do I have to give everyone on my street one?
>>682096522
Taxation is the practice of collecting taxes (from citizens based on their earnings and property. The money raised from taxation supports the government and allows it to fund police and courts, have a military, build and maintain roads, along with many other services. Without taxes there would be none of this. Its not theft.
>>682096724
But we are, you just keep trying to pull in the people earning way less every time.
>>682096704
No. I believe that any money that people give to the poor should be given voluntarily. Charity is a good thing. Government stolen money that is redistributed inefficiently and abused by illegals and the lazy is not an optimal system. I am a libertarian, not an anarchist. I want a very small government, but I still recognize that government has a role to play.
>>682096907
Because THEY will be the most affected by Bernie's socialist bullshit.
>>682096887
Do you have an option to opt out? What if you refused to pay your taxes? Is it done voluntarily?
>>682097051
If you say so, it sounded more like a general discussion about taxing the rich.
>>682097105
Ok we are talking about taxing the rich and now your moving the argument into opt out of paying them pick one, and yes you can its called being a Sovereign Citizen.
>>682097105
Of course you do. You just completely disconnect yourself from society and stop taking advantage of its benefits without paying into the system.
So you can leave the country or go live in the woods.
>>682096845
If you have the money to afford that yes, why would you want to keep 100 toothbrushes?
I get the comparison you're using here, but it's not comparable, because something as simple as a toothbrush, is not the same thing as millions of dollars.
Imagine this for a moment: There is a family, who works diligently, every day, to provide for their child, sometimes the mother and father have to go without food, so their children can eat. They couldn't afford a higher education, so they made due with their love for each other and the desire to start a family.
Whilst there's people living an absolute life of luxury, any type of drug, car, house, food, clothing, jewelry, school, club etc, they can afford. If they wanted; in unbelievable amounts of excess.
The family, that is struggling to survive, asks that family for help. You are that family that says, "No."
You concern your own survival, no, not just survival, your own gluttony, over the life of another human being.
People who are like that, lack the compassion needed to advance our society in the path it needs to go.
