Does being an Atheist make you more intelligent?
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Does being an Atheist make you more intelligent?
>>680955970
No but it does open up your mind to more things. Also there is a god, but not in the way most people believe
It has nothing to do with intelligence. Being an atheist means that you are not mentaly ill.
Of course it does. If you're a fully grown adult and still follow a belief system that goat herders created to feebly attempt to describe the world around them; you're a thundering dolt.
>>680955970
yes, instead of wasting brain power on stupid religious beliefs & rituals the mind is free to pursuit better things with critical & logical thinking
>>680955970
no, being more intelligent makes you an atheist
>yes
No. It makes you more rational though.
>>680955970
no it just means that you call your unprovable beliefs something different
>>680955970
yes
>>680955970
No, it doesn't at all. I don't believe in God or afterlife or anything, and I don't think it automatically makes me intelligent. Anyone who does is a fucking retard.
>>680955970
Does having an opinion make it said opinion factual?
>>680956715
It does if it's my opinion.
>>680955970
no but being intelligent makes most people atheists.
>>680956370
I'm sure you thought that was a clever things to say except every time i see one of these threads i see that fucking comment copy and pasted 20x
Not really.
It does seem to automatically make you some kind of self important whiny bitch though.
Atheists are a lot like feminists except they feel micro aggressions come from the church and bitch.
I don't even tell people I'm an atheist because it has become such a shitty thing to be.
>>680955970
No. Being an Agnostic makes you more open minded and intelligent.
>>680955970
ITT: No body respect Atheist and no body respect people who serve God.
Why can't people mind there own shit? Who cars who believes in what..
You can't prove god exist and trust me you can't.. but you also can'y prove he doesn't exist... soo it's really just pick "Blue team or "Red" team... at the end of the day no one gives a fuck.
>>680957095
because it a fact. IQ correlates very well with atheism. Google it up.
Not attempting to be original or witty.
>>680955970
No but being intelligent makes you an Atheist.
>>680955970
Not really, i'v seen some Atheist so loud mouthed it makes you want to blow your brains out, i don't believe in god but i don't bother to call my self an Atheist, because i don't hold the door open for Women or tip my Fedora.
>>680956195
Mentally ill decease that been spread by indoctrine
>>680956370
/thread
There's nothing inherent about atheism that makes a person more intelligent.
There are plenty of stupid atheists and plenty of intelligent religious people.
>>680955970
It makes you right , but not better in any way .
>>680957446
>because it a fact. IQ correlates very well with atheism.
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>>680958467
/Thread
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>>680958067
cringe
>>680955970
Nope. Just dead.
>>680958467
Only partially right. I've met plenty of dumb atheists but never a truly intelligent religious person. By definition they lack the critical thinking skills to be considered intelligent.
>>680958137
I'm an atheist but I can't stand 80% of atheists.
I used to be one of those "fuck your god" atheists when I was a 16 year old edgy kid, but I've moved past that. It seems like most atheists have issues moving past that stage though.
No, because if you knew shit you'd know that the church nowadays is a widely ignored source of finding young women to fuck (and would make a good wife if you're into marriage). It's not that hard to fake it and as long as you keep the act up nobody will know.
Only downside is the ones who actually believe in the no premarital sex thing, but deep down almost all Christians are bad Christians and it's mostly an act. Think of Church more like a social club.
>implying being an immature edgy rebellious 15 year old that hates God because you have daddy issues makes you more intelligent
BEING an athiest does not MAKE you more intelligent. More intelligent people are simply more inclined to become athiest instead of simply following the stupidity of the masses. Not saying that there isn't a god for sure that may have created the big bang or something before it, but it's certainly not a man in the sky that created the world a few thousand years ago.
>>680958764
Don't you think you could be biased?
Your perception of intelligence is automatically manipulated as soon as you figure out they are religious.
I understand the rationale why that may be to some very small degree, but you kind of took that and ran with it at an extreme level.
>>680955970
No. Believing that religion is the root of every conflict in human history is just as retarded as cowaring in a church.
just like Christians need The Devil, in order to know themselves as good, atheists needs religion in order to identify themselves as enlightened.
all narratives are a flat circle.
>>680955970
I don't think it makes you more intelligent, but it makes you right.
>>680958764
>who was Albert Einstein and Niels Bohr
>>680955970
yes, and vice versa
>>680958867
Btw, let me correct what I said, more intelligent people are more inclined to be athiest OR agnostic
>>680958990
Lol, i like this.
>>680957220
you cant be agnostic without being an atheist since all modern religions require a gnostic viewpoint as part of their practice
>>680959046
How does having the belief that there is no God make you right? Wouldn't that mean religious people having the belief that there is a God be right too? Your logic is retarded anon.
>>680955970
fun fact:
richard dawkins invented the term meme and considered religions the be ultra memes basically
>>680958867
>simply following the stupidity of the masses
the whole YEAH SCIENCE BITCH crew, do exactly this.
>>680958635
are you saying that there's no correlation between rationalism and intelligence?
No, but atheism and IQ correlate together
>>680959048
agnostics you retard I'm a physicist myself and am very much familiar with the lives and works of Einstein and Bohr.
>>680959154
ultimate irony: Dawkins became a meme.
>>680959113
Sorry, but you're wrong. I am Agnostic. Not an Atheist. I don't have proof that there is no God. Neither do you. And neither does everybody else on this planet for that matter.
>>680959084
and let ME, random anon, fix that for you.
the most intelligent people ARE agnostic. Atheists are often pretty illogical and retarded individuals.
agnostics cant prove nor disprove, but say, "hey, maybe, like, it could be real...or maybe not. I dont know"
>>680958764
I'm an athiest, and I come from a scientific background, but I can still tell you there definitely are and were smart religious people
>>680959269
I'm not who you responded to but Ben Carson is one that should ring a bell.
Maybe "truly intelligent" needs to be defined, but he's definitely more intelligent than 95% of the population.
>>680959202
no, I'm not. But I'm saying that correlation is not causality.
>>680955970
>Does being an Atheist make you more intelligent?
No, but intelligent people are often atheist.
>>680959202
I think he means more around the fact most Atheist don't know when to shut up.
He never said he didn't believe in god he was just simply showing every ones cringey remarks.
Atheists are social and identity leeches
They have the lowest view imaginable of religious people and think it's okay to use the fact that they're not them as their entire identity
>>680959368
He's literally a nutjob conspiracy theorist. Do you not watch the news?
>>680956370
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>>680956370
I agree.
>>680959269
"The most beautiful emotion we can experience is the mysterious. It is the power of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their most primitive forms -- this knowledge, this feeling, is at the center of true religiousness. In this sense, and in this sense only, I belong to the rank of devoutly religious men."
- Einstein.
>2016
>believes in materialism
>>680959410
name some.
>>680959269
Yep, but to be more specific, note the anthropic principles. They are agnostic towards THAT, not towards organized religion. You have to specify that for stupid people to understand the difference
>>680959132
not believing in god is correct. mearly belieing in something doesnt make it right...... for instance people who believe they cannot breath water are correct.. if a person simple decides that they believe they can breath underwater they will be incorrect and drown
>>680959301
do you have proof there arent subterrarean caves on pluto containing unicorns?
no? ok so we all accept the possibility that theyre there.
>>680959132
No, it's not.. your comprehension skills are poor and your assumption has no logical connection.
Believing that there is not a god makes you right. You can be a retard and say an absolute truth as well as you can be a savant and say something that is exceptionally wrong. It's not the credentials of the messenger that add validity to the message, it's the message that does. That was my whole point, but you slipped up terrible there.
>>680959461
Pretty much this.
Just retards who believe they aren't as retarded as others by doing the same damn thing - listening to some bigger retards opinions.
>>680957095
It's not the common response because it's clever, you idiot. It's common because it's obvious. Statistically, people with higher IQ are much more likely to be atheist. This isn't because your choice of beliefs magically changes your brain. It's because being smarter leads to different choices. Save your butthurt for something that doesn't make you look like a moron.
>>680959497
Has nothing to do with his studies or ability to perform complex tasks.
Pretty sure Alex Jones is an atheist and is also a nutjob.
The whole point I'm driving at is either can be completely retarded or intelligent, but the view that both have towards each other just completely fucks the perception.
The inherent bias they have towards the other side basically makes both of them incapable of admitting intelligence of the other in most cases.
>>680955970
Being an atheists makes you just as unintelligent as being religious, the real intelligent people are agnostic.
>>680959368
>ben carson
>intelligent
BAAAHHAHAHHAHAAAHAHAHAHA
>>680959515
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>>680959410
Someone is same fagging really hard.
>>680959301
youre trolling right?
surely any person, certainly someone who claims to be rational would know the definition of the words hes labeling himself with.
Im not going to sit here and try to convince you to make more of a dumbass out of yourself so ill just post a graph for anyone who might be curious about the subject.
>>680959298
yes but society has bastardized the term meme to mean macro picture. "meme" is supposed to be synonymous with "fad"
>>680955970
Yeah my dog and 4 year old son are so much smarter than stephen colbert
>>680959727
Being a good politician is not an indicator of intelligence, we all know that.
Dude is a neurosurgeon. Regardless of anything retarded he said, he's still more intelligent than 95% of the population..
>>680956370
That's what happened to me although I would use the word "enlightened".
>>680957101
devout Christian here, my kik is: Nighva
Come debate me you stupid atheists
>>680955970
No, because you are wasting time denying god. if you want to be more intelligent, learn something. The fact that you even asked that question means that you aren't the brightest bulb in the batch.
No.
If you choose to be an atheist, you don't magically become more intelligent.
However, a lot of intelligent people are atheists, or at least agnostic, because they're the ones that question things and don't take everything at face value.
They don't get told one of the stories of one of the different gods and think "Welp. That's me sorted. That must be it. Not even going to think about other possibilities."
>>680959674
I hope you're joking.
>>680959317
your thought on the celestial tea pot?
>>680959796
>>680959301
related
>>680959912
Deny Allah and Mohammed and they will behead you, dont forget that
>>680959258
They don't correlate actually;
A more actuate claim is that anti-organized religion correlates to intelligence + education - [whatever beliefs your parents/society taught you as facts] (analytical intelligence helps you cancel that last one out to become agnostic or atheist, though obviously there ARE stupid atheists and agnostics out there, where are that simply because their parents/friends are)
>>680959727
Carson was the first surgeon, to successfully separate conjoined twins connected at the head.
sure, he's a raving conservatard and republicunt, but saying he's not intelligent is rather daft, anon.
>>680959393
only a few of those posts made that claim.
>>680957220
Agnostic = pandering.
>>680955970
In this episode of "does A make you B"
>>680959813
so, he simply came up with a new word for "fad". What a grand contributor to out species.
>>680956456
No, it just means you belief in the most likely thing to be proven, instead of trying to bend proof to what you want to believe.
It's reason vs wish fulfillment, and while intelligence makes it easier to understand reason, you can still be blinded by what you want to be true, even if you are extremely intelligent.
I would say no. Many doctors are pretty religious
>>680959887
>Dude is a neurosurgeon.
he left a rag in a womans fucking brain
when she complained of headaches he basically told her to fuck off
finally somebody xrayed her and saw the rag and he was like "lol oops"
>>680955970
The only thing you can be that would make you more intelligent is educated.
Atheism and intelligence are not related.
Religion and intelligence are not related.
>>680959533
is this post trying to claim that einstein was religious?
because he was not.
this quote is actually explicitly stating that.
>>680960120
The truth is no one will ever be able to definitivley prove how the cosmos started and being agnostic is admitting that.
OK guys let's get one things straight, you can't disprove god nor can you prove god.
Every one has an opinion, and when people say being an Atheist is "Fact" makes me cringe so fucking hard, HOW ARE YOU SO FUCKING SURE?
Most Atheist come from a religious family, and that's how the "Majority" are at least.
Be honest with your self guys, you don't know for sure that there is no god.
But i'm sure someone will try to call me a fucking idiot when in reality that's not a valid awnser.
Get back with be when you figured out what went on before the big bang. And don't say nothing, because there was always something.
>>680958764
True. I had an interesting talk about how religion is a virus of the mind with a fellow atheist coworker. That same day he wanted me to watch this "awesome" documentary on Bigfoot.
>>680955970
Not inherently, but a lot of intelligent people are atheist. There are also a bunch of intelligent people who are religious though.
>>680959368
>95%
That's only 1 in 20
By that definition even *I* fit into that category, considering I got 97th percentile in math, 98th percentile in science, and 90th percentile in English for my age group
>>680955970
>Does being an Atheist make you more intelligent?
No. Being more intelligent makes you an Atheist.
>>680960487
Bruh u went 2 deep for me
>>680955970
Being objective does
>>680960487
/Thread
>>680958635
this is real cringe
>>680960487
Proof of god is not possible. You can't disprove something if there isn't proof of it existing. It would be like proving vampires don't exist.
You can, however, disprove events The Bible claims to have happened such as the Great Flood, indication that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, etc.
>>680955970
Just gonna remind everyone that the most Christian States in America are also the most poorest and least educated
>>680960487
Fucking idiot
>>680960080
>Carson was the first surgeon, to successfully separate conjoined twins connected at the head.
im sure that was more the doing of the patients than the surgeon. IOW, if another brain surgeon operated on those exact twins I bet the outcome would have been the same
>>680959715
lol... are you under the impression that agnostics think there is a 50/50 chance that god exists?
>>680960661
(Me again) Also yeah despite that Ben Carson doesn't even reach there, but your Ben Carson comment is like 50% chance bait
>>680959924
>because they're the ones that question things and don't take everything at face value.
people in most religions are encouraged to question things, from that believe. in order to get a better understanding of themselves and the religion.
Needless to say they have safety nets so that they don't go a drift and lose faith.
Much in the same way atheists use safety nets in order for them to remain non-believers. they just don't wanna know about it and will not challenge themselves to any route that is deviating them from their own path.
its the same fucking thing in both camps. people simply pick a side and stick by it no matter what.
>>680960759
Not true, the ones sea that carried the ark that's now a dessert holds sea creatures barried under the dirt.
Do a little re-serch before you make a fucking fool of your self.
>>680960487
You need to understand the evidence for gods is in the same level as dragons and unicorns. I'm not being condiscending. When you say things like "can't be disproved" it becomes a malformed question.
>>680955970
depends on if you are intelligent to begin with.
>>680960920
I never said there was a 50/50 chance god existed, im saying i have no clue how the cosmos started and until we have definitive proof of either or i wont admit to.
>>680960759
No where in the bible did the anyone say the Earth is 6,000 years old.
Human life yes.. the earth.. no... the earth has been here for a crazy amount of time.
>>680956159
its the fucking algorithm, its not even sentient.
human can't handle that.
>>680960211
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme
theres more to it than that of course
>>680960456
How do you know it will never be discovered? I think we need to be a little more humble in that regard. It was once believed that only Zues can bring the rain.
>>680959796
"I believe no good exists" is what I fall under, but I still call myself an athiest
>>680961119
You need to understand saying you don't believe in god is like saying i don't believe in the wind because i can't see it.
>>680955970
Are mostly atheist smarter than him?
No, but it used to. Classic atheism was a magnificent brain pool that would constantly keep the Church on it's toes. Nowadays, New atheism is a fucking joke and atheists have no philosophical expertise in which to articulate their views (or lack their of).
I'm Christian. I miss debating honest to goodness atheists who had a classical background. It's like watching your sparring partner become an alcoholic.
Fucking clean your shit up, atheists.
>>680959170
The scientISTS do not. Just because a lot of people don't educate themselves doesn't mean that science isn't educated. Since there's no point and no way to ban stupid people from agreeing with science, you can fuck off with your dumbass comment.
>>680961209
my view is that the reality is much more out there and absurd than we have yet to imagine
>>680957220
Being agnostic isn't a position though, it's a way to elaborate on the position you hold to be more clear. "I don't know if a god exists, but I find it unlikely" = agnostic atheist. "I don't know if a god exists, but I would like to believe one does"= agnostic theist.
>>680961347
fucking newton man, hyperboling apples and thinking his sperm can be gold
>>680961327
you can clearly see wind anon
>>680961477
Oh yea? I can hear lighting to.
>>680956370
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>>680960006
You're a fucking tard. That pic is so wrong, because if a person is agnostic they done believe there is no God, they simply don't take a stance on believing anything because you don't have to pic a side just because you don't know what the truth is.
what if there is a reason we cannot proof God exists?
something like humans becoming total cucks once they realize a supreme being exists.
I bet 95% of the world's population would become entitled, even more lazy, expecting HIM to solve crap and having no incentive to move things forward because you know...HE is there, let him fix it.
>>680960550
he was trying to quote dawkins
>>680961327
You can't be serious. The wind is measurable. There is no mechanism by which to measure anything outside the natural world. Therefore there is no difference between anything supernatural (including gods) and non-existence.
>>680958808
let me guess, you're about 17-19 and going into college. You think of yourself as quite the adult yet watch leafy videos. am I right or am I right?
>>680961405
Mind debating an agnostic?
>>680958533
on mobile but this seems to sum it up nicely
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/religious-people-less-intelligent-atheists_n_3750096.html
tl;dr it's a meta-analysis of 63 different studies that commonly show that religious people are genrrally less intelligent
>>680960391
".. In this sense, and in this sense only, I belong to the rank of devoutly religious men."
he was a free thinker, a man of faith in God but with no affiliation to organized religion. That means that yes, he was religious; but not in adherence to dogmatic, organized religion.
>>680961595
No it wasn't in a correlation to religion kind of way. He's an atheist that believes in Bigfoot.
>>680961347
Not even gonna explain the huge irony AND stupidity in your comment, but all I'll say is that that claim does not determine whether God exists or not.
>>680961539
yea i know
>>680960006
I like how to Agnostic is normal and the Atheist looks like a NEET. Very accurate representation.
>>680960752
ur mom is reel krænge
>>680959533
Only a religious retard would quote this as pro-god.
>>680955970
No, being more intelligent makes you an athiest
>dawkins
>einstein
>hawking
>>680961741
>huffpost.com
Stopped reading there.
>>680961868
EXACTLY! Thanks
>>680961780
"At the atomic level, your autism is only surpassed by your faggotry."
- A.Einstein
You know what? I'm out. Even half of the atheists and agnostics here are stupid.
>>680961327
you can see wind, and it can be sensed in many other ways
>>680955970
I actually have real life challenges so I can't consistently obsess over whether God is real or not, what does that do for intelligence?
>>680961930
>680961595
>fag
>jew
>derp
>>680960810
no matter is other surgeons could've done it, it is still testament to the fact that Carson is intelligent. If he wasn't intelligent, he would've never become a surgeon in the first place.
other people could've found The Americas, too. But Columbus was first, still.
huevo de colon, motherfucker.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_of_Columbus
>>680959059
If you are not a troll, im gonna kill myself on the spot
>>680961978
>stopped reading there
I bet you did. Too many big words after that Mr. Religiousfag?
>>680961258
I know, bro. I was just being funny. I made a joke.
s-sorry.
>>680958808
Underrated post.
>>680959059
>because this is analogous
>>680955970
Atheism doesn't breed intelligence. Intelligence breeds Atheism.
>>680961406
uneducated people talk about science, in an attempt to make themselves look smart. You know this, you fucking idiot. Just like uneducated bigots use religion to legitimize their stupidity.
you
endless
twat
>>680960759
....biggest idiot itt. keep coughing up other peoples thoughts on the matter that are ignorant and outdated.
the bible has more factual accounts than you think, retard. it has a lot of nonsense in it.
dumbass
also, define wht a vampire is? there are people who drink blood and sleep in coffins (theyre fucking crazy, but they still exist). last time i checked the only definition is that they drink blood and sleep in coffins and shit
>>680961597
I see you're splitting hairs now, that's fine, i'll split hairs as well.
Most will argue the fact Aliens exist even though the majority have never seen an Alien.
and the people to claim to of seen an Alien are clearly missing a couple screws, it's easy to look into ones eye and see someone isin't fully there.
It's ok though i understand where you are coming from, you might lay in bed at night thinking well is there really was a god there is no way he'd allow all the bullshit going on in the world right now... right? or how do we know it's god and not a diffrent foreign god?
Hell maybe even Aliens?... I know you think along these lines, we all have time to kill at the end of the day to test our intelligence; it's human nature.
And guess what, at the end of the day you don't know for sure, and there will always be that thorn in your thinking... the "What if" thorn.
You'll never be sure. just as you can't comperhend the vast amount of stars in the vast open nor will you ever understand how the space between the stars will go forever.
I'm not sure i believe in god my self, but i'll never be so closed minded to compleatly shut out the idea.
And sorry for some of my grammar issues i may of made, i'm on my Iphone.
>>680955970
Coming from an atheist, no, it doesn't.
>>680956344
.... Like 4chan memes.
Good job, master minds.
>>680961868
>>680962006
>implying I quoted this as "pro God" or pro anything
I was making the point, that Einstein was not an atheist. Deal the fuck with it however you like.
>>680962309
lol its hard to tell whos troll and whos dumb
>>680961930
jfc you moron Dawkins says he is a agnostic
eintstein wasnt an atheist dipshit
hawking isnt atheist either
wow fucking ignorant atheist scum
>>680955970
Yes, in general
But
Religion makes you braver in general.
Ain't no atheists in a foxhole man.
In.the end though, who cares? Any person with reasonable intelligence will say if God exists it'll be much larger than we can imagine, that hell isn't real and that God really wouldn't give a shit what you call it or that you call it at all. Just don't be a cunt and use this gift of life to the fullest and it'll be happy. And if you fuck up and kill a billion people. It'll just say yes I knew that would happen because I am alpha and omega and ordained it.
>>680962743
some are both bro, and they don't even know.
>>680962744
Do Christians even browse /b/?
>>680956159
>Also there is a god
>Citation needed
>>680962878
>Religion makes you braver in general.
....yup
Are you single tonight? A lot of beautiful girls waiting for you to http://alonely.ml
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>>680955970
No it doesn't, it just opens up the opportunity to be slightly more open-minded. I'm an Atheist myself, and know some Christians that are almost as open-minded if not more than other Atheists I know, if you can believe that.
>>680962934
everybody and their dead grandma lurks here
Being an Atheist makes you an annoying over opinionated beta male that needs to get a life. Kinda like the male version of a feminist or vegan.
>>680955970
This faggot looks like John Travolta
>>680963178
>implying a woman can't be atheist
>>680962577
Aliens exist man!!! okkk??
Years ago when the earth was all there was to us and we didn't know what the moon or sun really were or stars it was perfectly reasonable to believe in god. Only a speculating fool with think there wasn't a god. Now we know how things really are it takes a it takes a speculating fool to believe there is a god. Ironic really.
>>680963335
>Now we know how things really are it takes a it takes a speculating fool to believe there is a god.
We know there is no God? We know what created the universe? Yeah, nah. Science still hasn't proven shit, faggot.
>>680962577
not that anon but,
so you keep an open mind on the possibility.
and at the same time set the millions of people whom believe in aliens aside because 'clearly they are missing screws'
and not just that, its because of their eyes. which you have looked into, all of them.
nice going anon, keeping an open mind but only on the things you want to.
>>680955970
I would say that intelligence leads to being an atheist. I dont believe that 14 year olds who are "atheists" are smart. Theyre just edgy. I do think that a good mental foundation and understanding of critical thinking would lead any person to be an atheist or have atheistic ideas. I suggest anyone who wants to see richard dawkins own someone's shit to watch his interview with Wendy Wright. Shes actually an intelligent person who has obviously been brainwashed by ideas as a young child. You can see towards the end she looks incredibly uncomfortable and while stuttering, resorts back to "dont you want a society where everyone believes they were created by a loving god". This is obviously a very transparent statement and we can see that underlying her beliefs are great feelings of fear for the absence of a god. The whole things a charade really.
>>680963029
Hitler, Stalin all the big murderers were atheists.
>>680963335
>Now we know how things really are
kek. so we know all anon?
>>680963029
Yeah pretty much. Takes alot of bravery to kill yourself for a belief.
>>680962552
So Spiderman is real because new york is real and some of the characters in it? And the Torah and Quran? And the Greek legends because mount Olympus and most of the stories.feature real people and places?
C'mon buddy...
>>680963727
"By defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
Yeah sounds super atheist.
>>680963610
I see you've found a loop hole in my comment and tottly ignored the rest of my comment.
Good job Anon, you win the i'm not butthurt trophy.
>>680957101
"im an atheist whos better than other atheists so im gonna separate myself from them."
>>680955970
Claiming you know for a fact there is or isn't a God makes you look pretty fucking stupid
>>680963927
That makes no since you fucking tard.
You earnd 1 try hard point gg
>>680955970
It doesn't. In fact is demonstrates how close minded you are,
>>680955970
No, it makes you infer your hive minded pseudo superiority by shitposting on /b.
>>680955970
Yes.
>>680955970
It simply means you swallowed all the propaganda you were indoctrinated with in school.
>>680963601
What he probably meant to say is that there is no God as religions portray him.
Btw, what you just did is called an argument from ignorance, just because we dont know doesnt mean God dun didit
>>680963927
Hitler gave two shit about what he had to say, in order to rally the masses. You know this, you daft cunt.
Stalin
Mao
Pol Pot
Pinochet
Franco
.. all these bastards where atheists or agnostics.
>>680963950
I actually agree with the majority of your post, I just don't like people whom are selectively open minded because it suits them.
>>680963782
We know what the sun, moon and stars are and have a good idea of the earths place in the universe. Everything we're learning takes us further from god being a reasonable idea. It's a very unreasonable idea in the face of modern evidence.
no, but there is a better chance that you have above average intelligence because of the current social situation.
But again, it's just a better chance, you might be stupid as shit itself but your parents were atheists so you just became one too.
>>680958808
so right.
>>680963727
Hitler was also a vegetarian. Does this mean all vegetarians are mass murderers?
>>680964260
Not being a dick but what does that make you?
>>680964260
dude have you seen any "Alien Abductees"? Thats not being unreasonable. They're tin-foil hat tier retards who should be laughed at for attention whoring.
>>680964542
that's not the fucking he was making there, asshat.
typical 4chan loser chat - "the inhabitants of the past are hicks and rubes, and the inhabitants of the future are effete, overcomplicated beings with big brains and weak figures. We always think of ourselves as the cream of creation."
who fucking knows
>>680962361
>>680964426
Stop trying to get people to respond to your post faggot
No, being intelligent makes you an atheist
>>680960226
someone needs to eat their vegetables & grow the fuck up, jesus...
If I've stopped believing in God I would probably kill myself from depression, cause i woulnd not be able to stand that there is no hope for better place in the afterlife
>>680955970
there is only nature and nothing else. nature creates and destroys. there is no purpose there just is. when you die your body will be reclaimed by nature and just like your body your soul will re enter a state of a cosmic cloud reused for whatever purpose nature happens to use it for.
>>680958467
I disagree. Im sorry, i really cant find someone who believes completely in the bible to be intelligent. I do, however, realize that from a young age these "intelligent" religious people were most likely forced to church, sunday school, all that shit. So from that point on it gave them the tools to argue with any sensible non-believer and walk away with their faith intact. Its all a big brainwashing. They can be intelligent in one sense, but when they completely deny the evidence for evolution, thats where i cannot regard them as smart beings. Again, ill refer you to richard dawkins interview with Wendy Wright. Its astonishing to see her nearly resulting to name calling towards the end. She simply cannot stomach what she is being told.
>>680964077
>no since
>since
K buddy. Ignoring that you just tried to end an argument but dismissing it. Amateur hour.
>>680964252
An opinion.
Jesus Christ, do I really need to list every single religous leader in history who started a war??? At best you can name 10 atheists who according to modern history commuted crimes. There are literally thousands of rulers in history who were religious who started wars.
>>680964815
Hold on to your faith, not many /b/ tard understand what it means to hold on to faith. please leave this thread and go find a porn thread or something else.
>>680956370
Holy fuck nigger... Isn't it about time for Mom to ready your tendies and empty your piss jars??
Also... kill yourself.
>>680955970
so you're asking if a belief or disbelief of something makes you more intelligent?
you fucking thick cunt, please die of AIDS you dumb bastard
>>680964942
You win another try hard point, i mistyped it on purpose you idiott
>>680964384
but you know how they mapped the universe right?
they are based on calculations and assumptions.
they are using logical measurements and judge it from there. but they have never been there to proof it is actually how they assumed it was.
scientist are happy with this, its just proof until someone proofs it is not the case. and they move on from there.
which is a good way to explain the world around it but as with religion, it is hardly set in stone is it?
can you imagine the shock when it was 'discovered' the world wasn't flat?
and how long it took before everybody stopped laughing?
you really think we have passed all that and are now in a world that will not give us any more of them shocks?
science is like autism at best. we know where things are, we can find them when they are lost, things are clear and not as scary as they used to be, we can sleep better at night knowing this.
But it doesn't explain 98% if the shit that is yet unexplained.
fuck me, they cant even explain the brain.
>>680965149
Once again. Awesome argument you got there.
>hurr hurr I'm a make a joke joke at other writings and then say that's all and then I wins.
>>680964942
>atheists who according to modern history commuted crimes
"committed crimes" is a nice way of saying "greatest mass-murderes in the history of man".
>>680964552
open minded?
I dunna anon. I'm just a fag like everyone else around here
>>680965431
I did win you fucking twat.
Face defeat already.
>>680964571
so you gunna dismiss the whole issue because some retards made a docu.
nice.
>>680955970
god is conciousness brah
>>680965547
Well i am to, the reason i said i don't wanna be a dick because i feel like you're like me in a weird way. i dunno...
Yea my Alien comment was wide open for a spanking but i am sticking to the rest of my comment.
Anyways man.. who knows for sure at the end of the day... lol..
>>680965358
All I'm trying to point out is people have beliefs based on what people thousands of years ago thought because they reasonably thought things were very different than we know they are now. In fact the way they thought it was it was only really reasonable to believe in god so it would be stupid to believe what they reasonably believed. They'd probably laugh at you for believing what they believe if they knew what we know now.
>>680955970
> Atheist thread
> pic of Dawkins
Fuck outta uere with that fuck shit. I don't care if he is one of the more prominent voices of atheism, that fucking cuck almost makes me embarassed to be atheist.
>>680965584
Once again. Awesome point you failed to make there. Take care mate.
>>680964879
How did the first cosmic cloud come to be?
From Earths orbit to the cycles of all living things it seems we are teetering on the razors edge of perfection. I refuse to believe we were put on this edge by an explosion.
>>680966254
Gtfo already loser. MY THREAD I WIN
*Pounds Chest* AAAWWOOOGAAAAA!!!
>>680966378
>How did the first cosmic cloud come to be?
Shrek farted
>>680966462
dude srsl
>>680965538
And how many people did Obama and bush kill in iraq? And how many Germans were murdered by the allied leader or Japanese by the atomic bombs? Good and evil is a matter if perspective. Even the nazis thought they were the good guys. And now you do to. Looks like you have something in common.
Anyway I'm quite Drunk and need sleep. It was an interesting discussion and I'm happy that little bitches face crying wasn't involved with a religious thread. Peace boys
>>680964092
Do explain.
>>680966462
>*Pounds Chest* AAAWWOOOGAAAAA!!!
>>680966645
>And now you do to
no I don't
fuck you
>>680966901
I WILL FUCKING END YOU!!!!
>>680966378
Perfection?
It was millions of years worth of things struggling to survive on a planet that's just going to be engulfed in fire when the sun explodes.
Different species go extinct.
People and animals are born deformed.
Space could potentially hurl an asteroid at us whenever it wants.
What fucking perfection do you speak of?
>>680966041
who knows indeed,
I've spend about 20 years in spiritual stuff (not religious) , learned a shitload of things and got as far as being convinced there is more. because I experienced it.
But that's about it, would not be able to convince anyone and don't care either.
the one thing I've learned from this is when HE would exist etc. it would not matter if we believed it or not. those laws that would be in place would still apply, even for scared atheists.
so in essence the whole discussion is redundant.
unless you part of a religion and that is just people wanting to maintain influence/power.
and that has nothing to do with believing or whatever.
>>680955970
yes.
but i wish i could be religious.
life would be so easy.
>>680967250
Well from what i'v heard, god is very forgiving, so i'm sure he'll understand our doubt if he did all a sudden show up.
>>680958533
Google it, faggot. People aren't obligated to do your research for you, especially not when literally any information is found on the internet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsdHdMXO4gA
r8 me fgts
>>680955970
No but I can tell you that christfags who ask this and fedora tipping faggots are one notch below everyone else when it comes to intelligence.
>>680958533
its true. look it up.
atheists even know the bible better than christians.
if you want to becomr an atheist just study the bible.
atheism is nowdays pretty much seen in direct connection with fedora and neckbeard wearing, fucks who think of them selfes as something better... which I think is untrue. being atheist just means to not believe in god, does that make one smart or stupid? no neither of both, because there are smart and stupid people who are religious as well as atheistic in their believe...
>>680966151
that exact sentence could apply for science as well.
>>680967233
You are talking about evolution and the products of environment, I'm asking you to explain where/how the environment originated.
>>680968431
I'm saying religion is in fact routed in objective reasoning and it's the same reasoning a that leadsto aatheism and I think that's ironic.
I think being an atheist while shoving it down other people's throats and not realizing that religious belief might actually have a beneficial place in the world makes you ignorant. It's the same reason why I think people who are "super smart", but are assholes to others because of this, also doesn't make them as smart as they appear. I mean, doesn't being a tolerant, open minded person a sign of intelligence?
>>680968359
true dat anon,
in most cases its just people following other people.
chances are a 'true atheist' stumbled upon a good speech from a very smart man one day and it made brain go fuck-yeah! and from that day on he was an atheist.
simply because he got influenced by someone else.
much in the same way religious people also get their minds blown away by smart priests or whatever.
There is hardly any original thought in this world, we have to keep that in mind.
>>680968898
not sure I follow that anon.
>>680969133
Yeah, I didn't follow yours either.
>>680955970
if you think it does you're a sad pathetic person.
>>680955970
No but my above average iq does.
>>680955970
Know the types of nonbelief and call yourself it accordingly
Agnosticism: is the view that the truth values of certain claims – especially metaphysical and religious claims such as whether God, the divine or the supernatural exist – are unknown and perhaps unknowable.
Apatheism: (a portmanteau of apathy and theism/atheism), also known as pragmatic atheism or practical atheism, is acting with apathy, disregard, or lack of interest towards belief or disbelief in a deity or deities.
Ignosticism: is the idea that the question of the existence of God is meaningless, because the term "god" has no unambiguous definition. Ignosticism requires a good, non-controversial definition of god before arguing on its existence.
Irreligion: (adjective form: non-religious or irreligious) is the absence, indifference, rejection of, or hostility towards religion
Secular humanism: (alternatively known by some adherents as Humanism, specifically with a capital H to distinguish it from other forms of humanism) embraces human reason, ethics, and philosophical naturalism while specifically rejecting religious dogma, supernaturalism, pseudoscience, and superstition as the bases of morality and decision making.
Dystheism: (Greek δύσ θεος "bad god"), the belief that a god is not wholly good, and is possibly evil. Trickster gods found in polytheistic belief systems often have a dystheistic nature.
Solipsism: (from Latin solus, meaning "alone", and ipse, meaning "self")is the philosophical idea that only one's own mind is sure to exist. As an epistemological position, solipsism holds that knowledge of anything outside one's own mind is unsure; the external world and other minds cannot be known and might not exist outside of the mind. As a metaphysical position, solipsism goes further to the conclusion that the world and other minds do not exist.
>>680968831
I'm taking about this bullshit.
>>680964879
From Earths orbit to the cycles of all living things it seems we are teetering on the razors edge of perfection. I refuse to believe we were put on this edge by an explosion.
>>680969443
Antitheism: (sometimes anti-theism) is active opposition to theism. The term has had a range of applications. In secular contexts, it typically refers to direct opposition to organized religion or to the belief in any deity, while in a theistic context it sometimes refers to opposition to a specific god or gods.
Misotheism: is the "hatred of God" or "hatred of the gods" (from the Greek adjective μισόθεος "hating the gods", a compound of μῖσος "hatred" and θεός "god").
New Atheism: is the journalistic term used to describe the positions promoted by atheists of the twenty-first century. This modern day atheism and secularism is advanced by critics of religion and religious belief, a group of modern atheist thinkers and writers who advocate the view that superstition, religion and irrationalism should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized, and exposed by rational argument wherever its influence arises in government, education and politics.
Atheism: is, in the broadest sense, the absence of belief in the existence of deities.Less broadly, atheism is the rejection of belief that any deities exist. In an even narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Atheism is contrasted with theism, which, in its most general form, is the belief that at least one deity exists.
Antireligion: is opposition to religion. The term may be used to describe opposition to organized religion, or to describe a broader opposition to any form of belief in the supernatural or the divine. Antireligion is distinct from atheism (the absence of a belief in deities) and antitheism (an opposition to belief in deities), although antireligionists may also be atheists or antitheists.
>>680968915
I've always thought the same especially about that last part - think of the golden rule. It takes less intelligence to treat others like shit than if you actually took the time to see the others point of view and either relate or explain why how they think and feel is misguided. You change more hearts and minds that way.
>>680956370
>tips fedora
>>680969248
kek
>>680955970
No, but being intelligent makes you more likely to be an atheist.
>>680955970
more likely to be intelligent*
>>680956370
the cringe is real
>>680958808
I love how all religious people say atheist hate god
It shows you how little they understand
And it makes it ok for them to be religious like what do you expect from someone so easily scammed
>>680958990
>atheists needs religion in order to identify themselves as enlightened.
This is one of the more stupid statements I've read on here...and that is saying something! Do you feel more enlightened because you don't believe in Thor, Vishnu or pink unicorns?
>>680956159
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>>680958467
You are more likely to be intelligent if you do not hold a belief in religious claims.
http://www.medicaldaily.com/proved-atheists-more-intelligent-religious-people-250727
>>680968915
>I mean, doesn't being a tolerant, open minded person a sign of intelligence?
I'm not so sure tbh, find an open minded and tolerant person and in most cases they are that because of matters of the heart.
they feel the need to be that, because feels.
like children really, not dismissing it but its a loving state they embrace.
In allot of cases you will also see that previous tolerant people changed and became less tolerant because the world is a shitty place.
again, feels.
Not a mathematically generated notion of perception.
>>680968933
agree with you, however... I wouldn't say that it is all bad, if you get on someone elses words and reshape your worldview after that. of course, if you do it every week, like some trend aka "I have to be cool" or what ever, than you are right with this.
but smart people who are able to bind complex thoughts in few words are still something I respect
>>680969699
yeah you the 40th guy stating this in this thread, well done anon.
>>680956370
*dibs bedoora*
>>680970036
all religious people? really?
or maybe just that guy in your class whom pissed you off?
>>680970143
>iq's
>>680970686
highest IQ's has no correspondence to religious views.
Please go back to /pol/
>>680969506
So, you are going with the cosmic cloud theory? You mad /bro? Kek
i'm agnostic but the smartest guy i know believes in god, has a genius level iq and passed college classes without cracking a book. the dumbest guy i know is an atheist and a drunk... true story.
>>680970349
>but smart people who are able to bind complex thoughts in few words are still something I respect
same here, but being smart does not equal being right.
its just a few hundred years we have 'awoken' from the ashes of retardation. I highly doubt even the smartest people are able to comprehend it all.
yet, we follow them blindly.
>>680970672
No ots very common for religious cucks to be taught atheist hate god
>>680971089
ruling out specific people is not an argument
being an agnostic is a knowledge based position which doesn't question the belief or non-belief.
Are you an Atheist or a Theist?
>>680971089
lol
>believe me guise im not lying, i swear
>>680971553
It doesn't matter whether he's telling the truth or not, the statement has zero meaning to a discussion over intelligence vs religious beliefs.
>>680971553
So basically the smartest guy you know cant even figure out religion is a scam lol
>>680971769
You can be smart, really smart and still have religious views, that doesn't change the fact there's a correspondence between intelligence and atheism.
http://www.medicaldaily.com/proved-atheists-more-intelligent-religious-people-250727
>>680969833
Hahahaha damage control quick!
Uhh cringe guys LOLOLOL
>>680970917
>If you disagree with me you are /pol/
You must be proud to get offended so easily
>highest IQ's has no correspondence to religious views.
Highest IQ was a Jew but he did nothing with it except invent his own language
As a matter of fact jews constantly have the highest IQ's
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4098351,00.html
Even if a god exists, giving us really flimsy evidence and then punish those who doubt it makes him an unjust ruler who deserves no worship.
>>680971917
Having religious views is not being a christian.
>>680971499
>muh question begging epithet
Lets see some sources for those claims
>>680971499
yeah, you don't know religion at all.
most, if not all, religions teach love and acceptance towards non-believers. assuming that one day they will hopefully join the flock and be saved.
obviously not talking about the extremes whom are assholes and can be found anywhere.
the majority is rather forgiving.
>>680955970
indirectly, yes
>>680971162
We do not really follow the smart people... we follof our politicans, who are just interrested in buisness. scientists should be sitting in our parlaments, not buisnessmen.
also I wouldn't call our current "civilization" awoken. the majority of people is still stupid... hell, we even still have people, believing, the earth is flat and that in the first world even!
>>680971510
i don't believe there's old man with a long white beard who lives in the clouds that watches over us. however, i have studied meditation and some eastern philosophy. but i don't want to label myself.
>>680971553
i could care less if you believe me, schmuck.
>>680971918
>Hahahaha
>LOLOLOL
Why not just admit he triggered you why don't you?
>>680955970
On average, yes
>>680955970
Op - the answer is yes.
Also , it is funny, because the religious people are not intelligent enough to get it. Therefore they hurr durr
>>680972003
to be fair, the whole punishment idea never existed until the catholic church decided that was a good hook to keep people in.
so that was man-made.
and it yet has to be clear if God actually wants us to find proof he exists. could well be that there are reasons he doesn't.
>>680965122
tendies??
go back to r9k faggot
>>680972505
maybe intelligence is not that important for them
>>680956370
This
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>>680971999
>You must be proud to get offended so easily
No, it's just pathetic fallacies are so disgustingly retarded there's no point arguing with you. I already stated that highest IQ's has no correlation between religion.
Think about this, if there's more religious people then atheists, wouldn't logically there be more people who are religious with high IQ's? An IQ is how well your mind is developed and has nothing to do with religious views.
So if that's true then the very fact 2/10 of the highest IQ's in the world are atheists is actually a pretty big number in favor of atheism, but as I said this has nothing to do with religious views.
>As a matter of fact jews constantly have the highest IQ's
Sure, there's literally no reason to suggest it's due to their beliefs, this is quite literally how /pol/ acts which is why I told you to go back there.
>>680972155
Pretty sure if you are open about your non-beliefs in the middle-east you're almost killed on the spot.
>>680972678
[citation needed] inb4 isis
