What does /b/ think of bullshit claims of "Cultural Appropriation"?
The guy in the picture is being flipped off for wearing a Native American Headdress by a "True Native American".
Guy in the headdress claims he has Native blood.
>>680582835
if the fucking sjw's want to fully eradicate cultural appropriation , then they have no right to do anything from white culture. example, say goodbye to eating hamburgers if they aren't German
>>680582835
they sell that shit at native american gift shops, owned and run by native americans, to actually be worn.
It's racist to tell someone they can only be one way because of their culture. I like feathers and crowns damnit!!
>>680583537
This
Apparently "cultural appropiation" only works one way, much like discrmination , racism etc
They don't get mad when black bitches straighten their hair. The whole thing is just a way to control people.
>>680582835
i mean, Igloo Australia pretending to be black and profiting off it is pretty shitty, but why are we wasting time telling each other not to dress like each other? seems kinda like a step backwards to me...
Some people just like to complain about things. Cultural appropriation and being offended are their latest tools for getting what they want. "I feel therefore it's true." It's completely subjective and stupid.
>>680582835
No such fucking thing. There are instances where people take on and use other cultures' stuff in a disrespectful way. Generally speaking, no one should wear blackface or Indian headdresses for Halloween, for example. But if I want to learn another language or take part in another culture and you have a problem, go fuck yourself. It's noteworthy that no one sees any problem appropriating from whites. In Japan, they wear business suits (a white invention) but God forbid a white guy should wear a kimono (although Japs don't seem to care either way, it's more white people being offended on their behalf). We live in a time where cultural sharing is seen as theft. That's truly frightening to me.
>>680584179
This.
If they don't like it, why are they selling it?
It's ironic because the people that get offended because of "cultural appropriation" are the same idiots that claim they want equality.
>>680582835
the claim of Cultural Appropriation is, at its heart, a command to control other people's behaviour. It is an imperative, a demand that others stop dressing, eating, speaking, or behaving in a certain way; that they stop enjoying, or lie about their enjoyment of, or suppress their joy at, behaviours of certain types.
It has a moral component: Demands to police others' behaviour always does. In the 50's it would've been "anti-American" behaviour that received this type of sanction; in the 1910's, the puritans and anti-vice clique would've invoked morality to prevent others from drinking; before that, God would have been the invocation used to control other's behaviour.
The question you must ask yourselves is: However strong the moral claim backing the order, does the person speaking have power over me? Can they stop me doing what I want? Should I let them?
This is an ancient struggle, anon. Nothing new. Some cowards will capitulate, others will do whatever the hell they want, and be free, and happy.
>>680586802
I agree it's becoming a melting pot versus multicultural ideology conflict. Melting pot where we take part in and add parts of cultures to ourselves for self betterment. Multicultural in a sense that we can all live together but we can never truly understand each other's culture enough to take part in it. I find it to be an absurd barrier that will backfire in the future. Kind of like a pendulum.
Here's the thing about cultural appropriation: even if it's "wrong," "offensive," "hurtful," whatever
It's a free goddamned country. People can wear, dance, sing and act however they fucking please and if you have a problem with it you can write a blog about it
The fuck else you gonna do cunt
>>680587678
*clap clap clap*
This.
>>680587955
I believe what you've presented, the multicultural vs. melting pot idea, is the theoretical ideal, but that in actuality humans have been swapping culture since forever. I can't believe that the Mesopotamians got offended when surrounding peoples decided to take up agriculture, for example. As a species, we share things. We share culture. It helps us to develop overall.
Also, these SJW idiots are proposing that culture is intimately tied to ethnicity, which it obviously is not. Why should a seventh or eighth-generation immigrant in the US from Nigeria be any more allowed to wear dreads or eat fufu than a white in a similar situation? They've both been thoroughly Americanized. I think the major issue is that people without real academic training are now taking part in what is basically an academic debate, and they have no fucking clue what they're talking about.
Tulsafag here, can confirm we are tought
Black ass thread
>>680589374
No, this is now a tulsa appreciation thread
Tulsafags get in here, all 12 of you
>>680582835
If it's cultural misappropriation, then Indians shouldn't dress up like cowboys.
or gangsta thugs.
>>680589470
No, this is now a Judy appreciation thread
Zootopians get in here, all 13 of you
>>680588965
I know. It's like me trying to claim Irish pride. it's kind of laughable watching people say their DNA gives them rights to certain cultural aspects. Sharing cultures is what builds bridges across peoples and creates understandings. I understand they're trying to preserve it but this isn't the way.
>>680586116
genetics have nothing to do with culture. What culture is known for having straight hair?
>>680590067
YES
>>680587678
This is it
>>680587678
Someone should cap this
>>680582835
I think all the people making this bullshit run rampant should
>>680591039
stfu
>>680591143
>See .gif for full context
>>680582835
Its bullshit of course. If your culture is so weak and ineffectual that somebody dressing up for Halloween somehow affects it then I don't know what to tell you except you have much bigger problems to worry about.
>>680591162
Stay mad sweetheart.
>>680591435
No Indian/native/first nation wears that anymore. It's just a cry for fucking attention. Ask them how to make a bow or forege for food. They're whiter and more dependant on government cheques than ever
>>680591619
nou
>>680582835
Like that one black chick that told the one white dude in the hall not to wear dreads? That's stupid. Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.
>>680591854
it's like white people telling them not to wear weaves, or put on clothing lol
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>>680589776
So is it called I wanna fuck the rabbit? Or I wanna fuck the bunny?
>>680582835
Fuck everyone's culture
Why is anyone proud of somthing they never did. I guess they could claim it's that people with their genes did cool stuff in the past or whatever. However that can turn into a cluster fuck due to opening a door that liberals don't like, the door being the fact that genes might effect behavior, and that can create racial tensions if they awknowledge that.
>>680592640
rabbit but some say bunny, it really doesnt matter.
>>680586802
>Generally speaking, no one should wear blackface or Indian headdresses for Halloween
So can I get mad if a greasy indian or a nigger dresses up as something like a knight
>>680593106
Ahh I see bunny rolls out the tounge better.
>>680593106
Let me do this one. I got some good shit for this topic.
>>680582835
cultural appropriation is how a culture survives its own extinction or absorption into another culture
the Greeks and Romans appropriated Egyptian culture
the Mongols appropriated Han culture, and the hybrid Mongol-Han culture was appropriated by the Ming (I think)
Aztec appropriated Maya, then Spanish
and Spanish at the time was a mixture of Roman, Gallic, Moorish, and Islamic cultures
cultural appropriation is a good thing
>>680593857
None of these fuckers look Japanese. I know weebs and SJW's would complain it looks too racist, but Christ, they're supposed to be Japanese
>>680594534
Apparently, we have Steve Cummings to blame for that.
>>680593857
>Rori Lane
Worst name to have in Japan
>mfw the descendants of subjugated peoples want to bitch about stupid bullshit
Should've told the buttblasted "native" to fuck off and cry him a trail of tears.
>>680594764
HAHAHAA. just lost.
>>680595357
keep going.
Having a job is white appropriation, niggers were hunter gatherers qhen they were given a boat ride to freedom, black people ahouldnt havr jobs, also they shouldnt be able to know their fathers, the nuclear family is white culture
>>680595897
I still have no idea where this is going.
>>680594870
REEEEE!
>>680589776
>mahnigga.jpeg
>>680594534
Who cares female protagonist so they should be cumming to it
>>680596025
lol I thought the same thing
well played anon
>>680596284
kek what the fuck
>>680583537
It's just another excuse to be authoritarian when you get down to it
Cultural appropriation is a form of indirect racism in itself.
Always remember that the KKK originated from the Democrats, the true racists.
>>680596521
you have a download link for this series? i can't find a torrent anywhere.
>>680582835
The people who think cultural appropriation is something to give a shit about are the same people who go batshit crazy when Halloween comes around.
>>680591039
Do it yourself faggot not that hard
>>680582835
I'd take off his mobile phone and jeans, shirt, jacket, boots, watch... , give him my hair dress and my apologies. Ask him to apologize for white culture appropriation and hypocrisysm
>>680597157
don't stop. this is rainbows
>>680582835
I dunno. I don't see the big deal. We got weabs that wear kimonos and Japan doesn't seem to give a shit. Just kinda laugh at them...
I think Nigger rage is just rubbing off on native American youth who are easily influenced and want something to be mad about too.
Blacks hates the white man
Native Americans hate the white man
Woman hate the white man.
It's just fashionable today I suppose, it'll pass. Native Americans are pretty chill these days as a whole.
And now, for the reach around.
>>680582835
I think the Native Indians are latching on to support from the 'Cultural Appropriation' bandwagon, because no one else takes up sides with them sadly, but its a wrong move.
On the other side IF a certain headress was only reserved for their Chief and some raver is dancing away in it, i could understand that he got momentarily pissed
>>680582835
the one i find most irritating is fucking japanese. all that retarded ass anime with names like... this is hard to come up with something that stupid... i can't. you know what i mean though... fucking sony with their pathetic japified "pleh steh sho" fucking thing and "morpheus" and "neo". the fuck is "stein's gate"? they kill and rape the dead body of our culture--language is culture--and it's "cute".
It's just more hypocritical, nonsensical bullshit.
It is apparently no longer racist or oppressive to tell someone to "act their own race" or segregate cultures. It is no longer oppressive to tell someone what they can and can't wear. It's objectification when a man sees a half-naked woman in a work of fiction, but it's progressive to "free the nipple" and walk around half naked.
There is just no pleasing these people. They just move goal posts so they have something to whine about until the end of time.
Test
>>680595452
in this frame, the bottle she carelessly threw on the ground is not shown...
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Good shit Anon!
My dad got really into sweat lodging. He even dances at the sun dance. I once caught him wearing mockosons around the house. I think it is way more embarrassing then offensive.
>>680590706
Praise be to the glorious primarach of the Word Bearers!
>>680582835
Fucking faggots need to be skinned alive.
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>>680586135
because people don't like it when you are a hipster faggot.
>>680582835
Does this mean that people can't dress up as vikings anymore too?
>>680582835
Utter bollocks. Nothing wrong at all with appreciating other peoples culture and art.
>>680593468
thanks for posting something like this. It's been a while since I scrolled through /b/ reading something like this.
>>680582835
Why do people even give a shit about this if I want to wear a fucking sombrero and eat tacos I will, fuck cultural appropriation fucking new terms made by fucking tumblr fags and shit
>>680582835
I hate it because if I don't we will continue to get weak ass shit like the weeb memes in original teen titans. Seriously that shit was GAY
>>680598947
You have my attention anon
>>680587678
Someone cap this already
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>>680598774
Holy shit
This is awesome
>>680598650
it's not appreciating, its mocking another culture.
>>680599225
way better than that shitty redhead comic
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>>680598864
actually it's a long standing concept in sociology.
>>680594918
Wingardium levio-SSSAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!
>>680599443
So Berserk in the wild west.
>>680591435
Is this the new "I'm an autistic faggot" trend? First furries, then ponyfags, now bunny fuckers? My God, grow up already.
>>680587165
because most of them don't care. If people think something from your culture is awesome, theirs no problems. Its just tumblr being tumblr.
>>680599355
Don't give a fuck
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>>680589374
Someone gets it
>>680599775
lol as you post a picture of the joker from the cartoon with mark hamil. Dude if he wants to fuck a bunny let him... if you have a foot fetish then Avanti! lol tolerance is the key for any problem. If you are tolerant others will be toleran towards your freaky shit too dude.
>>680594764
Kek
>>680582835
It's not that you can't culturally appropriate. It's cultural misappropriation that's bad. It's only bad if the people whose culture you're imitating universally disapprove of the way you're using it. It's just a matter of being polite. Be rude if you want. Some people think native americans are cool and are willing to respect their wishes wrt their religious stuff.
>>680599634
That's fucking awesome
Crossover when
>>680600089
for anyone who is wondering, manga title is Blaster Knuckle.
>>680600010
They're spamming a thread that has nothing to do with the main topic, if they create their own thread fine but they're SPAMMING IT. Get it retard?
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>>680600425
I love you so much Anon!
>>680598056
and apparaantly I'm the only viewer that cares enough about this to say anything...
>>680600610
so continue your discussion being tolerant of their posts... theyll get bored from enducing no reaction...... and you win..... bite the hook and they will pull till they tear your mouth and teeth off.
>>680587678
no, a bunch of stupid hipsters taking the piss out of other people and culture of life, then getting flak for it is not oppression tumblr.
>>680600310
>universally disapprove
>group of people
>universally
>disapprove
>universally
>group of people
good one bro, my obliques are space traveller
>>680582835
it is bullshit, they are attacking a core feature of culture, that it spreads.
the very reason we know western culture won't fail is because it is better for people, people will take what is good or nice or fun or useful or whatever and let the bad stay in the past, this is just how humans function, so when we see some other humans do something we think looks fun we imitate them, wear the same stuff etc
the problem with SJW assholes is that they find a group of harmless people and then demand they had ill intentions and hidden agendas. the problem is the SJW.
>>680586135
"bae" and "fam" are like "gnarly" and "the bomb"
it's not going to last they'll be replaced by new stupid words in a few months
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>>680586802
it is an important point, that the japanese themselves don't mind you using a kimono, only the SJW assholes mind, becoming offended on other peoples behalf because the person in question saw nothing to be offended by
I mean, the alternative would be to admit they were wrong, can't have that! better invalidate a whole people's feelings instead!
I think you guys are missing the whole point.
Cultural appropriation isn't someone using something from an alien culture inappropriately, it is when it is used for profit and with no regard to actual heritage ie the kc chefs or some shitty Chinese dream catchers being hung on your rear view.
>>680598256
yyyup.
>>680582835
It's people trying to cash in or give themselves an ego boost because of gimmicks of people who lived along time ago which they have just as little cultural right too as anyone else.
>>680601830
In other words, SJWs have ill intentions and hidden agendas. Why won't they admit that they are a giant conspiracy that secretly wants to destroy western culture
>>680602237
no
that is exactly the point
those are things from a dieing culture
how do we know they are dieing?
because members of that culture would rather abandon most of their culture to "culturally appropriate" from another culture
by an outside culture using their cultural trappings, even inappropriately or commercially, they are preserving those aspects of the dieing culture
>>680582835
How is wearing a costume "cultural appropriation"? Is wearing a costume not part of "white culture" or something? Which culture we are appropriating exactly?
>>680585603
They argue it isn't appropriation, merely "assimilation" since white culture is so dominant and powerful. kek
>>680598774
>Woman he supposedly murdered busts in all hulked out and uninjured
>Rips open the cell door with her hands and tries to kill the hero
>"Give me my weapons"
>"WHAT, WHY?"
Fucking hell
>>680582835
If cultural appropriation did not exist we would still be living in caves
Cultural appropriation = cultural evolution
>>680602545
because the individual does not join for that reason, I honestly believe it is a beast spawned on its own and not something purposely created
I've had a tumblr for years, at first it was just like any other website, and then the community grew and become more cancerous, the worse it got the more of the quality people left and it was just a negative spiral, now its more or less just pure shit.
the SJW are also often outcasts, people who for the first time find their voice and self confidence, suddenly they are not alone, it is like a drug to them and they simply can't handle it
>>680602748
That's a new one. How wonderful it is that your sacred cultural traditions are now preserved in the museum of Wal-Mart for $17.99. It's not like you cared about them anyway. I'm certain that you didn't care. What's that? Your wishes? Bwahahaha
>>680582835
White Western culture has, for a very long time, been very good at effectively delivering sense pleasures and services to people. It doesn't turn a blind eye to what works, what is most pleasing, etc.
So it happily incorporates different foods, exercises, art, rituals, styles of dress and so forth from all over.
This is our culture and it is fantastic. Other people can complain and pretend that they own "culture", but I suspect this is nothing but glorified penis envy for how successful the West has been (so successful that we have largely entered an era of post-industrial decadence).
>>680603505
>outcasts, people who for the first time find their voice and self confidence
Do you think that's any parallel to the anti-SJW types?
Online echo chambers do that to every political niche.
>>680602237
in that case the main criminals in all cultural appropriation is the owner of the culture, SJW should go into shops of native american descendants and demand they close shop, the casino's are next!
How dare these natives make money on their culture!
>>680603731
lol, capitalism has effectively destroyed culture around the world by making everywhere the exact same, that is the problem with cultural appropriation, soon there is no culture, it's just one giant group that is exactly the same.
>>680582835
if he was NOT indian then this is like the one case where cultural appropriation might be real
>>680603539
you are a retard, if you want to protect culture then you can, you can't force other people to spend their life like that though.
culture by nature is appropriated and shared in all ways possible and if it dies it was simply a shittier culture (usually it does not completely die as the parts worth taking gets appropriated)
>>680602237
>Cultural appropriation isn't someone using something from an alien culture inappropriately, it is when it is used for profit
This is a very narrow view as to what appropriation. There are plenty of people that assert appropriation doesn't require profit.
>>680582835
hmmm....
seems Illegal.
i.e. allowing 1 person to do (on not do) something based on color, creed, ancestry, (etc) Violates the Constitution and fed law
>>680600089
Awesome.
>>680603743
probably, you see it in some atheist communities at least, if it started online or if it is mainly a online community it happens easier though the more classic online communities are better off as the people are more used to being in a community and know that its not the same as the real world
>>680603921
only if you let it you tool
>>680603539
I'm mostly of Scandinavian decent
the most holy sacred traditions of my ancestors are primarily preserved by Marvel Comics
and I'm glad for it
because those horribly distorted extremely profaned versions give many people the seed interest to seek out the truth
>>680603921
>capitalism has effectively destroyed culture around the world by making everywhere the exact same
Capitalism hands down has provided the best standard of living, innovation, and progress over any system ever before tried. It also by far is the system most aligned to effectively utilize and maximize for the greater good the human psychology evolution instilled in us.
Different locations are not some human zoo for you to enjoy tribal folks in their natural habitat, they are embracing global capitalism because it works so well for their people compared to what came before.
I find it amusing you find increasing global similarity solely the fault of capitalism, for it is certainly possible that other systems with globally integrated near-instant communication would also converge towards a more unified and shared global culture.
>that is the problem with cultural appropriation, soon there is no culture
That doesn't follow, merely that culture would change as it converges. Cultures converging doesn't ultimately result in the total lack of culture. You are reifying your own hyperbole.
>it's just one giant group that is exactly the same.
One giant planet full of diverse individuals with shared opportunities and a shared global heritage, however there still will necessarily be a wide range of individuals expressing themselves using different cultural tools and symbols, as necessitated by mating strategies.
This cultural homogenization is pretty much necessitated by the exponentiation growth in modern technology.
You sound young and naive.
>>680604381
i don't cos im a loner, so i just do what i want fuck the sheeple hipsters, it's the idiots dressing like morons that are.
>>680604423
>mostly Scandinavian decent
seriously, you americans can stop with this bullshit though, there are families who left Scandinavia 1 generation ago to move to germany, their kids are german according to them, and yet you americans think you're 1/15 scandinavian, 1/30spanish and 1/14 irish and what not, it hurts my mind that you bother with it, why do you?
is it not good enough to be american any more?
>>680604808
it is funny that you think capitalism is the driving force and not our overall political views.
capitalism, as it was intended, works very well, a short boost in production, however if it gets left unchecked it halts due to the false idea of trickling down economy that so far have not once worked (the great depression and various other financial crises are the result of what happens when you have capitalism for longer than intended)
TL:DR capitalism should be a tool government could use, not the main economic system
>>680604900
Some Americans pride themselves on their older mutt roots, why is that an issue?
This type of shit works both ways because then if they are proud just being Americans they get shit on for "having no culture", "thinking America is a country not a continent", and "I go to pubs older than your country".
Just fuck off an let people celebrate their heritage how they want, they don't have to view decent the same as some first generation German family you eurocentric twat.
>>680604808
ok first, capitalism didn't do shit, inventors and technology is responsible for the current standard of living, if you want to get technical socialised water, electricity and gas, is the real reason we live so well, in most western countries,
secondly, it if you sell culture for a price to stupid hipster teenagers, that culture become meaningless and it dies to become a neat t-shirt so some dick head can walk around thinking they are fashionable.
third and final point, fuck off with your special snowflake bullshit, a bunch of mindless sheep following what is popular, yer that is totally individualism right there.
fashion really does outshine morality.
>>680603731
Nobody should be forcing anybody to do anything. When they stop caring about their cultural traditions, then it's fine to turn them into cheap nylon costumes. It's only about them saying "hey can you not do that? It's sacred to us", and you saying "sure, it's no big deal for me to stop".
This sort of "darwinism of culture" happens by itself, but that doesn't mean we have to be dicks during the meantime. As long as it isn't a harmful cultural practice, there's no reason it "should" go away. Any faster than it naturally would anyway.
>>680604900
and this is why European cultures are dieing
you don't give a fuck about where you came from
Americans recognize that their origins are part of why they are the way they are
we recognize that we are better for having been European
>>680605238
This is the most retarded comment I have read in ages.
There isn't an inherent dichotomy between other implemented social-democratic policies and capitalism.
>>680605241
maybe because the problem is the loudmouths who have to tell you how cultural they are instead of just living their lives and enjoying the culture they want?
If some American enjoyed some culture that would be fine, but they don't, they just remember the fractions and what country to put them by
and, if they were a third generation immigrant, maybe still spoke the language, visited the country etc, then no one would notice, it is when you have to bring out the paper work to prove it that it become tedious and pointless
>>680604808
this song is about your hipster fuckwits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVmmYMwFj1I
>>680604900
>αυτό
"I'm 1/16th Cherokee! Am I a special snowflake yet?"
>>680605437
you are so wrong, the reason we react is because we do have a culture and you americans don't share it, but you claim you do by listing some percentage and a country and that is your whole "culture"
why not just live according to the culture you want instead of just go around telling people lies based on where your grand mothers father's sister came from
>>680605537
American politicians does not seem to agree with you
>>680605437
European culture is about individuals and global influence, as in we're a mix of many cultures through time and when we found something we liked we set up a trading route. Our culture is alive and well and thriving.
>>680605238
>great depression and various other financial crises are the result of what happens when you have capitalism for longer than intended
FDR tried to fix the Great Depression with socialism
>free universal public education
>free universal public health care
>government funded construction projects to create jobs
>universal welfare for the elderly, sick, and decrepit
and it lasted longer than any depression in US history and only ended when FDR allowed more capitalistic ideas to prevail in order to win WW2
there was a depression in 1921 (the same post war depression that killed the European economy) that lasted less than a year because the government response was to just raise tariffs on agricultural imports
the worst depressions in US history occurred because people think that there should never be a lull in economic growth and passed insane laws that post-poned and worsened the next economic down-turn
>>680604423
Um, if you think Marvel comics depiction of Norse mythology is a cool thing, then there's no problem here and nothing to discuss. Cultural appropriation is fine. If you thought it wasn't cool, it would be misappropriation. But obviously not all Scandinavians would have the same opinion, so it gets blurry.
It's just about how many people of that culture you're willing to piss off by contradicting their wishes. You should weigh that against how many people of that culture would like you to incorporate their traditions.
It's not a hard rule or anything, it's just asking that you take into account these things.
>>680605321
>capitalism didn't do shit, inventors and technology is responsible for the current standard of living
Capitalism fostered the environment for the acquisition of the goods and optimization needed to implement technology.
>if you want to get technical socialised water, electricity and gas, is the real reason we live so well, in most western countries
This in no way is at odds with capitalism you fuckwit. You didn't get past econ 101 or political science 101 did you?
>that culture become meaningless and it dies to become a neat t-shirt so some dick head can walk around thinking they are fashionable.
Culture is innately meaningless, and cultures of people you happen not to like "hipsters" are not intrinsically different from a native self-mutilating for his cultural FASHION. All you are saying is that you have some individual preferences, placing some value in certain cultures over others, and expect everyone else to work around your biases.
>fuck off with your special snowflake bullshit, a bunch of mindless sheep following what is popular, yer that is totally individualism right there
Totally not a mainstream and therefore "sheep" opinion right there. Haven't heard that a million times before, you really are special...congrats..
>fashion really does outshine morality
Appropriating culture isn't immoral. The ironic thing is several of these dying cultures employed primitive and flawed of morality directly in the name of their culture, which included fashion...so your statement is a meaningless platitude.
Congrats! You achieved rank:tumblr
>>680606194
once again hipster this song,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVmmYMwFj1I
>>680606002
Being abused and dominated by more aggressive ideologies is a culture now? You've been cucked to the motherfucking moon, son.
>>680582835
I like dis an many mooar gov't memes MAKES me laugh LOLOLOLOL. Keel all dem black Jedis!
>>680605421
>It's only about them saying "hey can you not do that? It's sacred to us", and you saying "sure, it's no big deal for me to stop".
Sacredness is bullshit, other people shouldn't be expected to work around your imputed sentimentality. If a culture enshrines pragmatism and utilitarian appropriation, for profit or otherwise, how is that any less intrinsically sacred? Pro-tip, it isn't.
>As long as it isn't a harmful cultural practice, there's no reason it "should" go away.
It is already harmful when it is being weaponized to control others.
>Any faster than it naturally would anyway.
How the fuck does one differentiate, in terms of social interaction, natural decline of culture with artificial decline of culture?...since all human motives which could possibly influence the decline are by definition natural.
>>680606131
The most prosperous times in US history have been following more socialistic patterns, also, without the socialistic programs that the US of today have, USA would be a very third world country.
our workers would still be treated like chineese factory slaves etc
Capitalism would be perfect if it was actually possible to sustain growth for eternity
>>680606561
fuck off hipster, go and act like a faggot somewhere else, peoples cultures and traditions have meaning to them, go fuck yourself and get a real identity.
>>680586802
This picture seems appropriate for this conversation
>>680605590
>maybe because the problem is the loudmouths who have to tell you how cultural they are instead of just living their lives and enjoying the culture they want?
This is no different than the loudmouths bitching about how others choose to self-identify as cultural in their own lives. They are not imposing it on you or demanding you stop identifying or that you bend over backwards for them, so you are in the same boat.
>If some American enjoyed some culture that would be fine, but they don't, they just remember the fractions and what country to put them by
There is no categorical difference there, both are just different ways to appreciate their roots. Knowing the ratios of the people that culminated in your existence and place in the world is perfectly acceptable, even having it as a point of personal pride is completely acceptable.
>>680582835
The whole national/ethnic pride thing is retarded.
"I'm proud that my great grandparents were wild savages/irish/italians"
"I'm 1/16th cherokee!"
"My entire family is Italian. Nobody does family like Italians"
Literally no one but you cares so please shut the fuck up.
>>680605692
Nothing I said advocates hipsterism. I think they are generally obnoxious, as are the people who spend so much time lamenting against them.
However, as a pop culture movement their is nothing particular special or noteworthy and they are not fundamentally different than other cultural movements. Get over it.
>>680605917
The truth value of something isn't predicated on what politicians believe or publicly advocate.
There are plenty of backwards academic trends, some of which influence modern politics, entirely unsurprising.
>>680606877
no hipsters are a cancer, they take other cultures and just general shit and turn it into a shitty fashion trend, they are the worst possible culture, the one that has no originality.
If we are going to play the anti-cultural appropriation game, red-skinned spicks like this should be considerate of Westerner's cultural heritage in shooting and raping. They took our guns and chose to actually kill us with our own cultural heritage. If they have no respect for our cultural right to impregnate their females and kill their children without doing the same to us, they clearly are hypocrites and should be removed with genocide (which is our right since it is part of our culture.)
>>680606194
Saying capitalism is responsible for our standard of living is like saying religion is responsible for science just because most scientists used to be religious.
Capitalism is a corruption of the human potential and I think we can progress our standard of living without it. It's actually caused suffering which has concerned people for along time with the industrial revolution and the on going poor quality of life for the cheap labourers in other countries making our lifestyles possible.
We've entered a capitalist dark age in my opinion. The dogma of the all mighty profit has clouded our ability to judge quality of life and what we are spending our time doing and what we're buying and our general motivations in life.
>>680606375
Living right up the stereotypes of the left, people like you make liberal a dirty word.
>>680606777
It is the same as seeing yourself as the owner of a bank when in reality you clean the floors.
you don't seem to get the issue here, if they say they are of European decent there is no problem, it is a problem when they lie and say they are European and try to blend in, they stick out like a sore thumb and its this specifically that just makes the whole thing cringy to people, kinda like being an engineer and then someone who is not one tries to act like they are one because their grandfather was one, its cool if they tell you they know some shit, but not cool when they cross the line and lie, not because I mind them abusing my culture, just because they make themselves stick out in a cringy way
>>680607021
I tend do go by the reality we find ourselves in, not the text book ideal.
>>680607174
lol i have no political stance, those sheeple cunts can go fuck themselves, also being a liberal means you should hate other cultures and want to destroy them under the banner of multiculturalism, oh wait you do.
>>680606741
Holy shit. What absolute morons.
>>680606618
>The most prosperous times in US history have been following more socialistic patterns
Which says nothing of the strength of capitalism. Robust social-democratic policies are not intrinsically at odds with capitalism. It is only because of prior capitalist success that these social programs could be implemented and funded.
Reading online news isn't a replacement for actual education on complex matters of economics and government. Go open a book or two and get the fuck off of /b/.
>>680607154
not to mention that it purposely ruin quality if it can replace it with quantity.
anything that capitalism gets a firm grip on suffer from this, look at our media industry, creativity is shunned and in general replaced with a formula for generating cash, that is what capitalism does.
there is no need or motivation to do anything else than milk people dry once you have gotten yourself a bit up on the hill
>>680606721
Hipsters are generally the ones quite concerned with cultural appropriation and respecting traditions etc. Hipsters are also notorious for lamenting so strongly against "hipsters".
Do you not see the irony here you walking stereotype?
>>680607069
Any student of history knows that virtually all cultures didn't germinate in total isolation and were constantly borrowing and appropriating from elsewhere.
Something being older =/= any claim to originality or additional meaning or value.
>>680607571
maybe the one who need to do some reading is you? You who don't agree so you dismiss people instead of countering the argument?
weak anon, very weak.
>>680607623
Profit for one guarantees debt somewhere else. We can judge the success of capitalism by the suffering it causes, in fact more and more will be judging it from that side of the fence, leading to an inevitable conclusion.
>>680607726
no they are not, most people do not like it when you take the piss out of the things they like and just want to be left alone, example, wearing glasses when you don't need them that is a dickhead move, hipster are just unoriginal, just like what you like and stop trying to be cool.
How is that so hard for you hipsters to get.
>>680607865
yes but people actually belonged to those cultures and weren't just a bunch of dumb hipsters.
>>680608023
that it is a complete failure?
Honestly, I am on the beneficial end of it and I won't actively try and change it, but let us be honest, its not good for the common person
so.. literally
>you can do [X] because you're the wrong race
wew
>>680605241
It's time to stop posting friend, you are getting a little riled.
>>680588965
It isn't even an acedemic debate though. It's not that hard at all the only problem is the sjw's are regurgitating the uninformed shit of other sjw's. They do actually read up on shit but are very selective about it. Making sure that everything they read alines with what they allready thought was the case.and that way they don't grow while they have the feeling they do grow. Shit is horrible i am a leftist. I am against discrimination of all kinds (except for jokes cause ya know humour is the remedy) i am an egalitarian antifascist and communist/anarchist sympathizer but i get sick and tired of these fucking whiney genderfluid cunts telling everyone what to do preaching about respect while not showing respect for anybody else. Just live life and let others live their lives. And if someone imposes violence on someone because of race or what have you beat the shit out of him. But don't impose your will on others. People should be an example not a rulebook.
>>680607154
>Saying capitalism is responsible for our standard of living is like saying religion is responsible for science just because most scientists used to be religious.
Bad analogy, at one time religious motivation and funds drove proto-science, this is just a historical fact. The primary issue is that capitalism is still the primary background driver allowing for prosperous social policies.
We see in this in literally every case examined. Can you identify a single country that hasn't funded their massive social programs through a capitalist background that has a standard of living at or approaching the first world?
Every single metric that measures the property and well being of the developing world unequivocally demonstrate the rise in social reform, democratic values, standard of living etc., directly correlate to the rise of a capitalist engine.
Even the communist managers of capitalism, which do so well, like China, without any question have such a capitalist background to thank for the exponential rise in their standard of living and general prosperity.
>Capitalism is a corruption of the human potential
Its success is pretty clearly due to how it exploits and makes productive use of our evolutionary psychology.
> I think we can progress our standard of living without it.
Sure, at a certain threshold of resource and technology, logically it is certainly possible to imagine effective good and service distribution systems that even better serve humanity. The fact is, despite all its issues, it is the best system we have tried and it does work.
Capitalism and democracies are the worst systems, aside from all the other systems we have tried.
>It's actually caused suffering
Which isn't an argument against anything save claims to perfection, which are not being made here.
>poor quality of life for the cheap labourers in other countries making our lifestyles possible.
Yet the net quality of life globally still continues to rise.
>>680607154
Criticism is easy mate, it is entirely another thing to come up and implement a successful alternative that can make such rapid and efficient progress.
No other current alternative interfaces with human nature as well as capitalism does thus far. So bitch all you want, but practically speaking you have nothing to offer.
>>680606561
>Sacredness is bullshit, other people shouldn't be expected to work around your imputed sentimentality. If a culture enshrines pragmatism and utilitarian appropriation, for profit or otherwise, how is that any less intrinsically sacred? Pro-tip, it isn't.
Some of us think that sacredness can be a harmless part of cultural practices, and don't feel the need to shout at worshippers in a temple "BUT ITS IRRATIONAL" (expecting that this will convince them somehow?)
Our culture enshrines pragmatism and utilitarian morality. We don't consider them "sacred" in a religious way.
Besides, those values aren't being assimilated into some foreign, alien culture (and made into a cheap imitation that misrepresents what they are), Our "cultural practices" are massively dominating other cultures and staying pure, while changing and mutating the cultures that it comes into contact with.
And even if some other country takes our "cultural values" of pragmatism and utilitarianism and mutates it into a stupid caricature of it's former self in incorporating it into their own culture, we don't feel that it's wrong. That's just the way we view this particular "cultural value": You can take it and change it if you want.
>It is already harmful when it is being weaponized to control others.
Oh, no. Indian headdresses are being used by libruls to bash people! That must mean that Indian headdresses are a harmful cultural practice.
>How the fuck does one differentiate, in terms of social interaction, natural decline of culture with artificial decline of culture?
Maybe turning their traditional garb into cheap halloween costumes doesn't change the pace at which Indian culture is vanishing. I don't know. Still we don't have to be a dick and say "your wishes are irrational!".
>...since all human motives which could possibly influence the decline are by definition natural.
Skyscrapers are natural. WWII was natural. Or maybe we have agency?
>>680608596
one can just as easily say we have done so well despite capitalism instead of because of it.
your post prove nothing
>>680607213
>it is a problem when they lie and say they are European and try to blend in
Why is their desire to blend in or their behavior to try to assimilate a problem?
>that just makes the whole thing cringy to people
And that is the end of the world and totally worth being a loudmouth tool over. Only complete losers actually worry so much about cringe worthy folks, or even whether you make other people cringe. You are making me cringe, yet you would be an idiot to caring so much.
What other people think of you is none of your business.
>>680586135
the black kids who make these stupid emoji memes aren't alpha blacks, they're beta nerdy blacks
>>680589374
holy shit i wanna shoot some white privilege on that fat ass
>>680607301
Which is exactly contrary to the current trend in politics, which is generally rooted in competing ideals rather than practical observations and level-headed solutions.
Even further undermining the appeal to American politicians. Their fashionable ideals don't influence proper analysis of how things work, which is why you don't go to them for economic advice.
>>680607430
>being a liberal means you should hate other cultures and want to destroy them under the banner of multiculturalism
That isn't a stereotype or what multiculturalism even is. I generally think multicultualism is a failure, but holy shit you are uninformed.
>>680608249
Capitalism failing will be a good thing and I predict, if we have time, it's transition to a fair sustainable system will be a natural progression. We're all more aware of what's going on in the world and that's getting better. We're all getting better educated and better informed so it's enivitable that a more able society will come to dominate the people creating an illusion of their superiority.
Sustainability is the future and it transcends all as a concept to live by.
>>680607951
Easy to say when you ignore the meat of the comment which directly negates both of your assertions.
Congrats you have leveled up to:Reddit-tier discourse
>>680608096
>just want to be left alone
Which isn't the case. Plus why dont you leave hipsters alone rather than making every single one of your comments reference them primarily. You are totally obsessed, like a hipster.
>>680608183
It seems utterly meaningless to think in terms of people "belonging" to a culture.
>>680608909
the problem is that they can't pull it off, if they actually do have parts of the culture then no one would give it another thought
do you remember when you were 12 and your dad tried to be all hip and cool like your friends and he failed because he was not hip and cool like your friends and did it all wrong?
That is when the problem start, they are not German but act like they are and make references they think are right but are not etc
if they had wanted to learn that would be cool too but they are more interested in teaching you because somehow they think they know more than you.
Do you see the problem yet?
the desire is not the problem, it is how it is done, it ends up being a hassle
the reason they should care about them making other people cringe is because they are doing so in an effort to become more accepted but it ends up having the reverse effect.
also, the only reason we have this conversation is because you drag it on, it takes two to tango
>>680608458
Incredibly witty, I have never heard the blanket "u mad bro" assertions before. Totally not strained, totally not pathetic.
>>680609051
ideals? been a long time since they actually hold on to those, these days it is all about popularity
Isn't drag "cultural appropriation" why aren't more women offended by Bruce Jenner?
>>680609228
it does not negate my assertions just because you say so...
>>680608738
>Some of us think that sacredness can be a harmless part of cultural practices, and don't feel the need to shout at worshippers in a temple "BUT ITS IRRATIONAL" (expecting that this will convince them somehow?)
Not shouting such things doesn't necessarily have to do with accepting some nonsense about "sacredness".
>We don't consider them "sacred" in a religious way.
Arbitrary distinction.
> Our "cultural practices" are massively dominating other cultures and staying pure, while changing and mutating the cultures that it comes into contact with.
And your point is what exactly? That is how our culture works.
>You can take it and change it if you want.
Hence the "reproductive strength" of our culture.
>That must mean that Indian headdresses are a harmful cultural practice.
Any aspect of a culture that are causing divisiveness, or a tendency in some to claim the inherent right to demand limitations on the behaviors of others, by definition are being weaponized and are net negative in the modern world. "Bashing" people is a mild form of it, but a form of it nonetheless.
>Maybe turning their traditional garb into cheap halloween costumes doesn't change the pace at which Indian culture is vanishing.
Doesn't matter either way.
>Still we don't have to be a dick and say "your wishes are irrational!".
They can be totally rational, yet harmful and worthy of being rejected. But generally they AREN'T rational, they are non-rational in that they are emotionally driven. You yourself mentioned appealing to "sacredness", which is affective, not rational.
>Skyscrapers are natural. WWII was natural. Or maybe we have agency?
So appealing to it being natural is meaningless, which was the point. Having agency doesn't change anything. You are arguing for a non-quantifiable abstract metric which serves literally no purpose or function, it is just a lofty idea with no application.
>>680608831
Yet all the evidence says otherwise so you would be objectively wrong.
Make a prediction as to what data would demonstrate your hypothesis, else you are just asserting a unfalsifiable platitude.
While on the other hand we would expect quality of life to generally increase as a country adopts a successful capitalist background. Which is exactly what we see in every country we look at over the last 100 years.
>>680599897
>>provides emotional flawed response
>>is told of the scientific reason
>>provides weak emotional response
Sociology/10
You get angry in the line at grocery stores whe people have more items than you... You get twice as mad when theyre old or women or visible minorities.
>>680609432
I glossed over a sentence and realized you were still whining about this. You care way too much about trivialities, get a hobby. Sorry you are so butthurt that some people do things you find cringe-worthy, cry me a river.
Later.
>>680609495
Ideals merely meaning functional axioms and core dogmas.
>>680609656
You incredible response: "Nuh-uh".
Look you can either pick apart the counter, or you can ignore it, either way you are wasting our time.
