Why do people think its selfish for one to kill themselves? Arent they the selfish ones that tell them what to do with their life?
Everyone is selfish. That's natural. It is a selfish act, though because you have responsibilities, and you won't be doing shit if you're dead. You're just trying to escape personal responsibility of some kind.
It's the most cowardest (that isn't a word I know bitches) move you can pull when you're in a tough situation. It's like cheating your way out of problems which is a pussy move. That's why it's selfish.
>people think its selfish for one to kill themselves
they arent talking about being selfish only to them but to everyone else related to that person, the suicider (?) is generally only doing it for himself.
Also, you're not even thinking about the ones around you and how it'll effect them emotionally. You could possibly drive them into depression and next thing you know, they take their own lives cause of you. Can set off a chain reaction which is fucked up. Again, a selfish act.
whether your parents were there for you or not, still someone had to raise you, teach you, feed you and pay for all of it. For you to reach maturation and then just end your life would be a waist.
It's not my fucking problem, but it's still selfish as fuck. It's like if you have debts and you don't pay them, I'm not harmed because I haven't lent you a fucking thing, but it is still selfish of you to do that.
Would it matter? Ill be dead. Why should that concern me when no one cares about me now? Boo hoo it will effect them emotionally. When my grandfather died (he was loved by a lot of people) he was forgotten in less than a month. So what now people arent supposed to die because someones feelings will get hurt? What difference does it make if i kill myself or die of natural causes?
Id rather kill myself and die peacefully now knowing someone would cry at my funeral, than live this life and drift away from everyone i love and for them to forget me and id feel like i never existed.
Do you even understand what "selfish" means? Go learn English. Suicide is probably one of the most selfish acts possible. It's all about the individual. Nevermind all the people who believed in you, who helped you, lent you money, fed you, clothed you, love you, You don't carem you're like "Fuck that, I'm out"
Selfish as fuck
Yeah but shes getting tired of my shit slowly and i dont blame her.
I have a 29 year old kissless virgin brother who only stays alive for my mother. Id rather die than end up miserable like him on that age.
K but killing yourself is not like a normal death. That's what I'm trying to get at. If an old guy dies, yea he might be forgettable but we all seen it coming. To take your own life cause you feel like shit is just a pussy move. Even though you're dead and you prolly won't give a shit, SOMEONE is always effected from it.
Im sorry im at that point of my life where i really dont care anymore. Im not gonna force myself to live just for my mother.
Thats my plan. Funerals are too expensive anyways. But my parents are against cremating sadly.
just do it faggot. stop looking for reassurance and do it. if you really didn't care about your life why would you care what people think of your decision. do it. do it. do it.
This image is supposed to inspire people to live on and never give up.
lol. dude, I'm done, I'm not sure if you're a troll or what you want to hear. You sound hopeless. Lots of people are dead ends. My best advice for you is to stand up and be a man, take charge of your life, be your director and do something great. Fuck killing yourself over nothing, that's some millennial woe is me meme shit.
well you better not die because the goverment needs your sweet tax money
Yeah.. the only alternative is if you have like a million dollar life insurance policy that won't be rendered invalid by a suicide.
in that case, you should kill yourself and let your loved ones get all that sweet cash
>Of you have like a million dollar life insurance policy that won't be rendered invalid by a suicide.
Make it look like it 'wasn't' a suicide.
I think it's a matter of weighing consequences. If you kill yourself you essentially ruin the lives of your family and loved ones... pretty much permanently. In killing yourself you're supposedly ending your own pain so the consequences to other people are much greater than what you get out of it.
I think it's like of you could lose your right hand or have everyone who loves you lose their hand.
The difference is when you kill yourself you don't have to deal with guilt. I don't know. Thoughts anyone?
Call me edgy all you want but this is just stupid. Not sure if OP wanted attention or a discussion but i think suicidal people should just kill themselves. First because they're weak, and let's face it the world has enough of those. Second because they can't function like normal people. They wanna do it so badly? Then let them. I'm not gonna give inspirational speeches to someone i barely know anything about. Maybe they deserve it? Maybe no one will really miss them? Maybe it's for the better?
Honestly, no it wouldn't be. I have to admit that. I'm just saying for most people it is selfish.
It would still be sad, I think every life matters but honestly it would be impossible to deny that some lives don't have meaning to anyone else. Suicide makes me sad
>it would be impossible to deny that some lives don't have meaning to anyone else
The cold hard truth.
life is precious, dont try to live forever, but at least try enjoying the most of it? do what you like and give no fuck. youre alive once man, once, you dont know OP, maybe hes 10x the man you were, in this case I doubt it, but it couldve. i dont understand why you would deliberately end your one time on earth.
then change your life and make it what you want it to be. i know youre gonna say yea its easy to say blah blah blah. then youre just not willing to be happy. when suicide is an actual option nothing should scare you right? youre gonna die. then why not try to have it better first. leave everything behind and try life again somewhere else. make it what you want it to be. theres so much people, places and opportunities in this world no one should have to live a life they hate really
>theres so much people, places and opportunities in this world no one should have to live a life they hate really
Unless OP is a paraplegic or has AIDS, or some other illness that severely diminishes quality of life. Then suicide becomes a very valid option.
The arguments about selfishness are moot. You can only live your life and only experience your own feelings. It should therefor but irrelevant what someone else thinks or feels about your decision to make your life easier. This isn't being a sociopath. If you feel guilt or love for someone else then you can burden yourself for others. But if you don't, then don't.
Then you wouldnt understand how it feels like and you obviously have no clue how it works.
>i never have because i dont suck at life
Not sure if b8. How can you possibly try to solve a problem you dont even understand. You make assumptions that i suck at life based on that? Get the fuck outta here with your stupid bullshit.
I've been posting through this thread and have been through it. Honestly it's lucky I'm alive. I don't like to think about the fact that I almost tripped into the abyss.
It was a mistake. I may not love MY life but I love life itself. It's terrible that some people never get to feel that.
Fuck the human condition. Shitpost on /b/
You know what's great about this comment? This is one of the single hardest things for someone who is chemically depressed to shake.
It's partially true, yes, but the idea that you can shake it off ruins people.
That made no sense. Suicidal people are miserable and its really hard for them to be happy. You just said non suicidal know more about being happy. Like thanks for stating the obvious you dumbass.
So, you could do it, and it would be selfish for the reasons others have noted. Namely, and just to be pedantic: if you aren't doing it for someone else, then you are doing it for yourself, hence "self-ish". But yeah then there's all that collateral emotional damage, and that's a real thing even if you don't really give a fuck.
But there are less selfish ways to go out if you want to. People who die heroically are missed, and people are sad, but they are also remembered with some joy. For whatever reason, people are less likely to suicide as a direct result of someone else dying in a fashion that is deemed heroic or noble. I don't know why; dead heroes are just as dead as "dead suicidal selfish cowards" - but people are wierd.
So, if you want to exit but not be a selfish dick, shove a kid out of the way of a bus and get splattered by it. Or find some other way to leave that people can somehow find inspirational. You won't, because you're a chickenshit who just wants to pose for attention, but there you go.
you said happy people dont know whats it like to be depressed but you guys also dont know how to be happy. we both know something the other doesnt
happiness doesnt just gracely fall on people. they work for it
I don't know about that but I'm sure the people that adopted you love you. They raised you (I assume). Blood relation being more powerful is bullshit. You love who made you who you are. They raised you; they love you. You love them; they made you who you are.
Don't under value that.
Just my thoughts. I don't know if I means anything.
I get the feeling you're indirectly trying to tell OP to become Batman.
You want problems? I have to calculate every reaction, every smile, every gesture and comment - I am constantly trying to figure out "what would a person with normal feels do or say in this situation?" -- just to blend in. This is less tiresome than people's reactions or having to explain not having any sort of natural emotional instincts.
People who fit in are the ones who get the jobs and the promotions and the mating opportunities, etc. So long as they keep fitting in. And so I slog through it.
I think I feel genuine sadness sometimes. But mostly I just hate you all, for making me play this endless, stupid game.
Funny guy! Actually, I blend pretty well, but I probably am pretty far up on the autism spectrum. I just find it funny and a little ironic to see what is essentially a false dichotomy between two groups emotionally challenging one another's ability to properly experience an emotion.
Because every human has a duty to give more than they took; to do more than they were done for. If your being a pedo also means you have committed crimes against children, then you have even that much more to repay and give back to society than some of the rest of us.
Why are you trying to skimp out on the check now? Pay your dues!
OK, to break it down.
Some are saying, "NO U!" (don't know how to experience happiness.) "NO U!" (don't know how to experience depression). As if one of you being right will somehow negate the other one also being right, or vice versa (that's what a false dichotomy is: the mistaken notion that it can only be one or the other).
You don't see the irony or humor in these emotion-laden arguments shouting down one anothers' "obvious inability" to be good at emotion?
That shit is funny to me, yo.
i see it more as the happy trying to help, maybe badly? and the depressed just attacking the happy for not wanting to kill themselves and being naive. i mean it makes sense given the situations of both parties.
imagine how much money was invested in you since you were born, or someone else if you had the shit childhood. when you kill yourself its like youre stealing that investment and disappearing with it isnt it. if you invest in a car you love and it disappears how are you gonna feel.
Bullshit. You have had choice from the very first miserable, ragged breath you sucked in between chattering blue gums.
Life is fragile. You fought to be here. You looked both ways before you crossed. You ran away from the scary dog. Don't pull this selective, retroactive amnesia bullshit NOW just because you're all butthurt today. You didn't kill yourself yesterday, or the day before, or ANY of those fucking days - that was all you, buddy. Choosing.
>when you kill yourself its like youre stealing that investment and disappearing with it isnt it.
What kind of shitty investor feels so entitled to a return on investment? That the answer is to suck it up in misery?
Besides if you want to frame it like that, suicide is just cutting of losses rather than just letting the failing investment burn money forever. If this was a resource at a workplace, investing in that resource should have been ended by one of the parties ages ago.
I'm not a pro-suicide kind of guy, but all of the anti-suicide rationalizations in this vein are fundamentally flawed. They boil down to the idea someone owes society such a debt and no matter how small the debt is in the grand scheme of things or how miserable the debtor is, they should never be allowed to quit.
The more you try to agrue against suicide on those grounds, the more sociopathic the reasoning has to get.
My point was I didn't choose to be born.
But I am currently choosing to live, yeah, and I'm aware I can choose to die. Dying just takes too much effort and I'm lazy and stupid.
Just stop calculating your actions. I used to do the same, for years and years. I thought I had no feelings because I had repressed them so deeply, starting in early childhood. It's all in there bud, it just gets distorted and deranged in your unconscious because there is no ability to think "oh this feeling is irrational" when you don't even know that said feeling is even there. The longer you pretend that you have no feelings, you harder you will fall when you finally feel them.
Here's my take: you aren't really all that suicidal. Oh, you fantasize about it, to be sure. But you won't go much further - stepping off that ledge just isn't in your future, because let's face it: that shit is scary and it will probably hurt like a bitch, however briefly.
So, what to do with all this depression and angst? Besides garnish sympathy in /b/ threads, I mean. My suggestion: get out of your head, and into someone else's. Not literally, they will lock you up if you get caught. But figuratively. Make an effort to get involved in how someone else is feeling. Commit a random act of kindness, but in a meaningful way - don't randomly buy some dude in an expensive suit his coffee, go mow some old lady's lawn and talk to her about her dead husband and how much she misses her kids now they've grown up and moved away.
It might sound like a total waste of time, and it might be. If it sucks too badly, you can always just throw yourself in front of a bus after.
I take that back.. I read your comment too quickly. But I stand by, don't calculate what you say and do. What kinda things to you do or say to cause difficult reactions?
Do people want a weird depressed pedo mowing their lawn?
Btw, I live in a city with mostly apartments. The people with lawns hire Mexican landscapers.
I like the idea, though. What other things could I do?
To avoid depression, keep yourself moving. Stagnation is a huge reason why some people get depressed and ultimately feel depressed. If you ain't moving, you ain't living. No paraplegics intended. Even paraplegics can be athletes and inspirational people. Those who have reached the point of suicide can also become an inspiration. Just stay moving, it's that easy. P.s. U mad?
Example: I laugh at the wrong parts of the movie. I find the scenes that are meant to be sad absurdly funny, more so because I know people are actually taking them seriously and getting sad about them, so then the people who are bawling their eyes out look at me in horror, which I also find ridiculous, so vicious cycle and all that.
Other things too, but that is fairly indicative.
There are old people in every town, city, and village. Get yourself a notebook and a pen or pencil. Find yourself an old person. Ask them if they would mind telling you a little about their lives. Make up some bullshit reason, its for a school paper or you are an aspiring author or whatever. Hell you probably won't have to explain yourself, mostly they will just be delighted that someone wants to hear about them. People are like that.
What you do with it is up to you. Become an award winning author? Doodle while they talk and think its all a big waste of time? Jot down notes about lessons you can learn from their mistakes? Write really bad country western songs based on what they should have done? Think of awful things to tell them that will make them feel even worse about their shitty lives than they already do? You get to decide.
People cry too easily. And some of those so called sad scenes are just too ridiculous to contain a chuckle. The average sensitive shits should spend five mins viewing footage from the real world, of defenseless woman and children being senselessly slaughter for the sake of some war over resources. Then maybe they wouldn't cry at some sappy scene in a movie.
On the contrary, I try very hard to be the same. I suppress the urge to giggle at the "sad, sad scene". I figure out who the hero and the villain is, and cheer appropriately when the right one socks the wrong one. I gaze meaningfully into eyes and nod when someone says something that is supposed to be deep and caring or insightful. And, I don't think I'm particularly terrible at doing so. I don't usually feel the feels, but I almost always act like everyone else who does. Unless they are also acting. In which case, this game is a lot weirder than I thought.
But that doesn't sound so out of the ordinary. Just quit faking how you act around people so you can find yourself some real friends. I once rewinded a movie several times to watch a part where someone had his head unexpectedly blown mostly off with a shotgun. My sister and best friend were there and we all laughed about it together. It's not so weird. Just find the people who share your sense of humor, simple.
You don't care enough, you don't feel like it - that's you still being all caught up in your own head, and basically selfish (that's where you came in, right?)
So, do it anyway. Once or twice. See if you can make yourself care.
Or don't, hell I don't care either way. Interlace your fingers behind your head, then slide down toward your neck and put your thumbs directly over your jugular. You'll know when you are pressing in the right place by the deep throbbing pulse. In this position, apply pressure until the world goes away.
As you wake up, decide whether you like that feeling of deadness more, or the feeling of aliveness more. Then pick one.
My little brother killed himself Monday morning
He ruined us, his pain is gone, but its our pain now.
While he wasn't in his right mind, hes still a fucking asshole for this.
I miss him so bad
>Then pick one.
I'm too dumb and lazy, tbh. You can choose for me.
It's a compassionate thing to act in ways that you don't feel for the sake of others. It shows that you care about the way that they think and feel about you. But the smart thing to do is just be you. Nobody should give a shit how you act as long as you have some manners. Don't take people's stuff, don't break their things, offer food to others when you eat, don't annoy people by being needy and demanding their attention too much, clean up your damn messes, don't expect people to spend time doing things for you just because they'll say yes fully knowing that they'd rather not do it. Just don't ask people for shit ever, take from people only if they offer.
This. Imagine the mental strain you will put onto the person who finds your corpse. Especially if it's a loved one. My sister in law spent 4 months in the hospital psych ward, after she found her brothers body. Brains leaking out the back of his head, still had a faint pulse. Died on the way to the hospital. He was a lazy, cowardly prick. This was before the suicide. He was selfish before, no surprise his final act was selfish and self pitying. Here we are, dealing with the aftermath. He's lying in a casket, not a care in the world.
Suicide is a sin. Suicide faggots doesnt think in god's shit. Perhaps its that.
Good point. The dude who raped me lived with severe regret. He apologized, but never really atoned. He drank himself to death, at age 40. Lazy bitch.
Children. Everything you know and have is based off of your ancestors hard work. Yes, you owe them. Yes, you owe the world. You didn't create western civilization, but you reap the rewards. You need to do your part.
Envision that your perception of the world is not absolute, for just a moment. That you probably hold some views of it that are fully delusional. We all have delusions, otherwise difference of opinion would not exist. We all think that certain things matter more than other things, that things must mean "something more." We believe that certain actions are wrong even though our instincts tell us otherwise. We all accept some amount of delusion whether we realize it or not.
Now consider that your saddness and feelings that you should cease to exist may be one of these delusions, or perhaps a collection of many delusions.
Duty? Bullshit. I never asked to be alive. My mom should've aborted me. Her life would've been better.
She is the only thing that keeps me around. When she's gone i won't have any reason to not kill myself.
But first i need to find a painless, effective, clean way to kill myself.
All negativity is caused by an accumulation of psychological time and denial of the present. Unease, anxiety, tension, stress, worry - all forms of fear - are caused by too much future, and
not enough presence. Guilt, regret, resentment, grievances, sadness, bitterness, and all forms
of nonforgiveness are caused by too much past, and not enough presence
There are several forms of depression. In one, a person cannot accept that all of what we call "meaning" is an invention of the human mind, and forever searches for it without fully understanding it or finding it. Existential depression.
Another is caused by making false assumptions about how others think of you, even misinterpreting the intentions behind the words others. With this, you must have someone you can trust and ask them how they mean things. Believe what they say. Correct yourself.
A third is cause by repressing something traumatic that has happened to you. Failing to acknowledge that it happened, maybe not even realizing that it happened and unconsciously holding onto deep feelings about.
All are professionally treated the same, with pills and vague questions like "how many hours do you sleep a night?" "Does alcoholism run in your family?" "Describe how you feel."
Psychology's a joke. So you have to figure it out yourself.
That is not true. How can you even say psychology is a joke? Some people got out of their depression not by medicine treatment, but by mindfullness for instance. In some Non Western countries people don't even know therapeutic treatment because they remove these problems simply by collective support.
I stand corrected.
The clinical practice of psychology is a joke. Psychology as a science and in a research setting is very important. I also agree that mindfulness is the way to go. But you do have to figure it for yourself, by being mindful.
>Dont be selfish anon
>how do you think i would feel
oh ok so your needs are more important than the fact i feel like not existing anymore?
but when i come to you for any kind of hope you basically give me the finger right?
then when youre down and out i am thee for you and dont judge
how about you go fuck yourself you selfish cunt
The primary cause of unhappiness is never the situation but thought about it. Be aware of the thoughts you are thinking. Separate them from the situation, which is always neutral. It is as it is.
Try drugs before suicide. Get high, get emotional and let you're feelings dump out to someone you feel somewhat comfortable with. Nothing psychedelic. Stay away from weed, shrooms and lsd, you'll flip out because you have so much held in. Go for x
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Bro I've been here at least since 2008 and goals can be set, social skills can be improved (it is a skill after all) and the will can be trained. I think if I would tell my deluded, misguided past-self that my present would be like this I wouldn't believe it.
You have all that's needed but if you look for the outer big bad world to complete you, you will not find it. This world is fucking insane, I agree with that but it doesn't bother me anymore in a way I get my mind filled up with negativity. At least not for long.
If you gonna go, do it extravagantly. Make a Cobain and splatter your brains all over the wall with a shotgun like a fucking fresco. Aim up and diagonal so it mulches your brain and you end up dying instead of being disfigured like that guy in the Preacher comic.
Hell, write out a will telling them to cremate you and combine your ashes with fertilizer so they grow a tree with that shit. Like, an apple three or something. That way, everytime someone eats from that tree, they are metaphorically eating your dick.
Godspeed you fuckface.
Then spend time thinking about what you want in life. You can't have a fulfilling life if you don't know what would be feel fulfilling. You sound sound like a teenager. If I'm right, you haven't even experienced a fraction of this world. How can you say that there's nothing here for if you've barely seen any of the world, only known a handful of people, only bad a handful of life experiences? It gets better kid, if you keep moving forward, keep learning about yourself and others. It gets a lot better.
I'm 38 and the exact opposite.
Was very happy when I was younger, and now life sucks and I'm more than ready to check out.
No doubt it just gets worse from here as more shit starts to break down. I wanna go out with some dignity, not forced to fuck old women because i'm not competitive with the hot ones anymore and wait for my fucking joints to give out and my hair to go and all that shit.
You didn't choose to come into this world, so it doesn't make sense that you can choose to leave.
Humans are too complex for their own good, unfortunately. How many other species commit suicide? I'll wait.
Because they can't profit off of you if you're dead, OP.
Boohoo, the person going through a tough enough time that killing them self is the only option didn't consider other people's feelings. It's incredibly selfish to make someone's suicide about yourself
Honestly, it's this. This song helps motivate me to keep studying Japanese and Korean, and to keep on fighting until I eventually graduate and live the life I want.
suicide is a logical decision. most of the time people do it because their quality of life is very low. telling them to stick around and suffer so you don't have to know someone that died is selfish IMO
when you suffer immensely it provides a certain level of clarity. like how you see your loved ones before you die. all the mistakes you made in life become very apparent.
you become a seer. you see how much happiness you missed out on.
call the ambulance
put on live stream
open up for medical worker (they are getting paid for this)
DO IT NOW FAGGOT.
so your sister only may see your last master art piece painted by your own blood.
>telling them to stick around and suffer so you don't have to know someone that died is selfish
>you see how much happiness you missed out on
This becomes more and more apparent the older you get. It becomes hard to live with very quickly
when you're young and healthy you're blinded by your own happiness. take careful note how nobody tries to take advantage of a suicidal person. They struggle to maintain eye contact with you. They can see death in your eyes. when your quality of life drops it becomes very easy to who your loved ones are.
We deny ourselves of our innermost fantasies.
what the gods give they quickly take away. You have only
a few years in which really to live. When your youth goes,
your beauty will go with it, and then you will suddenly
discover that there are no triumphs left for you, or have to
content yourself with those mean triumphs that the
memory of your past will make more bitter than defeats.
Every month as it wanes brings you nearer to something
dreadful. Time is jealous of you, and wars against your
lilies and your roses. You will become sallow, and hollowcheeked,
and dull-eyed. You will suffer horribly.