ITT: best and worst martiale arts
All no touch bullshit
Tai chi isn't even a martial art
then why would fucking MAS OYAMA say this?
wrestling is very useful in MMA but maby not as the only martial art.
issue with Krav mage is that there isn't enough sparring. Drills are good for getting a technique but unless you spar against a resisting opponent you won't able to apply it in real life.
Karate really depends on the style. Some are all dancing and others are legit fighting.
and again dirty tricks like eye gauging and nut kicking can't be done sparing so you won't be able to apply them better then a normal martial artist with just drilling.
wrestling is perhaps the worst martial art because it teaches you to leave your neck exposed to chokes.
anyone who has watched the ufc once can slap a guillotine or rear naked choke on a wrestler shooting a double leg.
also they leave their hears totally unprotected, a good striker can pick a wrestler apart at range.
judo+muaythai= best martial arts combination. Some katate for timing and movement helps too. Obviously boxing is the best at letting your hands go, but the defensive techniques often require the use of gloves, not present in a fight.
ps judo doesn't require a gi. Your tshirt is good enough
There are no great martial arts, there are only great martial artists
Sparring is one of the most important things in a martial art. If you don't spar you can't combine all the techniques you've learned.
In a fight you won't know how someone will attack and all you've got are your reflexes.
it isn't an academic and philosophical study anon
It isn't a character building excersize
it's the art of winning a fight. You do that with technique, timing, and the proper application of violence.
Best muay thai
18 year martial artist and carrer martial artist.
If you're not practicing shooting, you're not a martial artist. You're a LARPer. If you play with katanas instead of guns, you're not a martial artist. You're a LARPer. If you're doing iaijutsu instead of fast draw pistol practice. You're not a martial artist. You're a LARPer.
Learn to use to weapon of your era, instead of LARPing the past.
The main idea behind martial arts is killing other people so they don't kill you. Fuck this soft, made-up, modern, suburban, bullshit.
Why would you bet that? Safety is the first principal of firearms.
Yeah your thread is dead, you obviously know nothing about martial arts you ignorant bastard. Akido would destroy kick boxing. Art of self defense> that is taught to cops and military.
I practice pancrace.
It adds up things from Muay thai and BBJ.
We also have strikes when on the floor
I don't see how it can be better than this
Krav maga is awesome, i did it for years now.
In an actual MMA fight a Krav Maga fighter would have no chance though. It's no use against trained Kickboxers etc.
Well there's cowboy draw, which is single action. If you shoot yourself with a single action revolver, you deserve it.
Then there's practicing smooth CCW draws with whatever it is you prefer to carry. There's not reason for that to be anywhere near as fast as cowboy fast draw, but you should still practice draw, point, shoot at the range instead of just casual plinking.
My main point is that the time and effort to maintain shooting proficiency is a better use of time, than the time and effort it takes to maintain highly technical hand to hand proficiency. Strength training, and basic boxing/wrestling knowledge is the most the average person can reasonably expect to maintain, and tbh, if you need any more than that in a real situation, you are probably entering territory where a gun is called for anyway. Also, I say pic related is as beautiful as any katana, and I'd rather have it in my waistband than 100 hours of Krav Maga under my belt.
What style of Aikido are we talking about? The soft spiritual faggot one or the one where you try to kill each other?
I can't remember the name of the school from the top of my head but it's closer to the traditional martial arts.
too lazy to google it so feel free to ignore but it had something to do with the inventors students or something.
One of the replacement trainers we got actually did teach something like that, it cuts the fluff and the big overstyled movement and cuts straight to joint locks with a lot of speed
Depends on a weapon:
1. Hand to hand - bodybuilding (let's be honest, the bigger one always wins)
2. Mealy weapons - kendo, european fencing
3. Ranged weapons - archery
4. Firearms - open to discussion
for fucks sake
use google you fucking retard mutilated cocked spastic
>hur dur he say he faat in durr 2000 dur so can be retirred hur dur hur dur hur dur hur du r hurdururururhrururhurhr
but kendo is the most entertaining to watch
Best: San Da, I've started learning it about half a year ago and it's honestly amazing. It's basically normal boxing + kicks + takedowns, but other than being nice to use in ring fights, it's also *fantastic* for self defense and street fights. Here's a video showing it off in case anybody is interested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnnUaE3DgbY
Worst: Karate, because fuck karate.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Krav Maga's main theme: "If you're gonna get stabbed, might as well pull the knife out of your heart, stab the guy back, and then die in peace"? Like from what I've seen Krav Maga is only good in situations where you're gonna get fucked up anyways
> as a martial artist this is the best for being the absolute master
>jeet kune do
My self i did some taekwondo for 2 years wing chun aside with some jeet kune do for 2 years and now i am practising boxing
>i can tell theres a diference i can defend my self using wing chun, attack using boxing use legs well as a taekwondo red belt, i cant counter any fight
Bullshit, this gorilla whom is trained in nothing but eating, would rip all your chicken arts masters apart with a grass streach eat grip.
Clearly the best training is eating and building mass.
Been watching anime a lot, always skinnyfat. Started training kendo with a friend from school after reading Hokuto Shinken. After 2 weeks I didn't come there to practice but for people I was training with, yet I still trained there. Can't say I'm anywhere near good, but got abs at least. Only once I had a real fight in my entire life. I punched him in the face as strong as I could and watched him fall on the floor, so didn't really used what I was training, just pure strength.
My brother trained boxing for 10 y or smth, he always says if he has a chance to run away from fight he'd do it.
tl;dr There is no point in saying stronger=better. The more you enjoy training=the better.
Yeah...in the earlier days of mma. The latest fights I have seen of his weren't all that great. Although, the game has changed considerably in recent years.
Forgot to list my training:
TKD, Karate, BJJ, No-Gi grappling, Judo, Muay Thai, US Mil H2H (w/ Delta/Rangers/Seals). High risk entry, Long Distance Rifle competitions, Handguns. Just because I know H2H, I still carry a CCP. Firearms are my favorite MA. Now I just train people on firearms. Had the opportunity to learn all of this because I started MA 20+yrs ago. Then had 10yrs of Mil training and happened to know the right people to get to do all the fun stuff.
yea it's jj not BJ j but same shit different toilet i imagine? anyway neither are gonna work in a real scenario
Rolling around on the ground is absolutely the worst thing you can do in a fight. This is why the foundation for effective training is FOOTWORK. Staying on your feet is more effective than submissions on the ground. Boxing is probably your best bet for being an effective fighter.
when weapons are involved its best to gtfo or at least have your own
other guy was saying BJJ is useless compared to wrestling. personally i think being able to strike and grapple is the best
>14 years of judo
>4 Years of Muay Thai Kickboxing
>2 years of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
>A few Krav Maga classes.
Ask me anything /b/rothers. I really want to start samba.
>be that guy
>show up to a martial arts thread
>only talk shit and promote gun because I don't know any martial arts
>Best: memes and everything you haven't heard of before
>Worst: more memes and all the ones you've heard of.
The best martial arts are the ones:
>1. Where the training trains you to overcome adrenaline shock in a combat situation and be aware of your surroundings at all times.
>2. Which emphasize distancing and avoiding range/line of attack.
>3. Which emphasize controlling and feeling your centre of mass.
>4. Which teach how to efficiently transmit the energy from your centre of mass to your limbs.
The Worst martial arts are the ones which do not do this.
Of course, none of this depends on the name of the martial art, but on the training itself, which depends on the teacher.
So OP is a faggot who's spreading shitty memes which don't help anyone.
Wrestling is useful in MMA.
Anyone who JUST tried wrestling in MMA would be wrecked. As the other anon said, it's not a sport that has any real defense against strikes.
That said since when is wrestling considered a martial art?
Sure. That doesn't mean that people can't also think about money and personal gain. Welcome to 2016
Making general statements? I don't have to, your opinion is garbage, that's all
yea, especially if your martial art revolves around rolling around and hugging instead of having actual disarms tried in combat by others that afterwards thaught the art afterwards by surviving, like krav maga or sistema, cuz these things can happen, and when it's at short range like in that specific case, it would have helped...you just can't compare a sport to a martial art developed for survival and anihilation.think, think, think.
I do Krav Maga (Just a few months) and we do sparring. Mma gloves and helmets, we Even do 3v1 where the solo Just has to "survive" in the ring. But I guess it depends on the instructor. We do however put some limits on the fights, but depending on the experience of the fighters its Just eyes ans breaking bones that are of limit.
You're right about the chokes, but it's hard to practice judo or muaythau when you're on your back.
Everyone needs to know wrestling to avoid getting taken down, but wrestling alone wont win you the fight.
Wait, why is Aikido bad?
Also; best still is above all The Three Shoe Beating
>Best for combat
Any Martial Art incorporating practice against opponents, such as sparring,, live drills and competition such as Kyokushin, Muai Thai, some forms of traditional japanese Karaté, boxing, etc.
>Best for way of life and spirit
Arts focusing on the bettering of yourself through the practice of a tradition and exercice. People shit on aikido for being worthless when it's not even meant to be used as self-defense or even for combat whatsoever. It is a WAY of life. hence, why it is a "dô" art.
Funny, though, that Kendo and Judo are dô arts, but incorporate sportive practice, though.
>Absolute fucking bullshit tier
Any self-defense art that makes you believe you are learning how to kill with le epin death touch and other ancestral FORBIDDEN ancient super secret techniques only the great masters know of, but only for a moderate fee of 500$ a month for classes and the possibility to reach your black belt in 3 months.
Seriously, why is everyone shitting all over great and legit arts just because they don'T incorporate live combat, but nobody is talking shit about Mcdojos like Ninjutsu and 90% of Tae Kwon Do/Karaté "Self-defense" schools?
Dude if Krav Maga doesn't have enough sparring for you fucking grab a training buddy and spar with them. It's you're own fault if the style lacks something that can be easily fixed. Also KM doesn't train to be in the fight for long, it's about disabling your attacker and GTFO of there.
>your opinion is garbage, that's all
Is that all you have?
Is your martial art "Keyboard Ba Ji Quan"?
Everything I said is true.
It doesn't matter what you train in, these fundamentals decide everything, and if your sensei/trainer/whatever is shit, then you're going to get your ass handed to you.
Specific martial arts may have stronger traditions/schools which emphasise these more than others and can be trusted more, but otherwise this whole thread is just dick-measuring memery which means nothing.
>It's a good way to lose control of the situation and have someone kick you in the head
how so? and dont tell their friends will jump in cause theres nothing stopping my friends from jumping in either.
>The main idea behind martial arts is respect, discipline, hard work, sacrifice and humility
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Wing Chun is the best, Ip Man would kill you for some rice.
not that facts matter to people like you
>People shit on aikido for being worthless when it's not even meant to be used as self-defense or even for combat whatsoever. It is a WAY of life. hence, why it is a "dô" art.
Aikido in a general sense is a "way of life", but there are still schools of Aikido (Aikikai/Yoshinkan) that are meant to be self-defense/combat systems.
Is that why busted ass Aikido Monk/ Master Segal won't get into a ring since his showing up at random do-Jo's and calling out black belt days? If it were truely a combat system that he should have no issues getting the ring.
"Sensei say- Sensei no fight, sensei loose, Sensei has no students."
The best martial art is "what works." My father was an amateur boxer, and he taught me how to fight. I've been a street scrapper for 30+ years now, and I've faced a lot of people who thought they could shoot the boots with kung fu. Not one has ever impressed me. They learned fast that a street corner is not a dojo mat. I'm partial to boxing because it's what I learned, and because it's all about maximizing speed and impact force while teaching you how to take a punch when you have to, but winning a real fight is more about knowing how to let go of all your conditioned responses about hurting people.
Most people pull their punches and flinch at twisting someone's dick and balls or punching a floating rib or kicking the top of someone's foot. If you can teach yourself to hit first and do it without holding back, any kind of fighting skill will work in a scrap. Contrariwise, being the world's greatest expert at breaking boards or winning refereed matches won't do jack shit on a street corner.
Are we talking fair fight or fight to the death? Cause in the latter the krav maga and other "No rules" have the advantage of training/learning to think about shit like biting your balls of if we get the chance. And i realize the mma could also do this, but he has not trained to avoid it like krav has.
With the current rules I however completely agree with you
The walking abortion that is Steven Segal doesn't practice aikido.
How do I know this? Google told me.
cheap shots arent going to help the krav practitioner against a good MMA fighter. chances are the krav guy is going to get out struck and out grappled and be unable to even use things like eye gouges and bites
How do you 3v1 bjj? Not saying it cant be done, but if you are "locked" with 1 guy, Even if you are choking him out, the other two Will stomp on your head or something. Bjj looks great for 1v1 if ypu need to controll the person, but its suicide if there is a risk of another fighter joining in
True, but I don't practice Aikido, though, I'm more on the sportive spectrum of the art, but I read a lot of books on Martial Arts and MA philosophy on the sideline of my actual training because it's a great way to learn about other arts and understand about their practices and the way of thinking of the maste writing the book. one of my favorite has to be "Zen in Martial Arts" by Joe Hams. I've read a bit about Aikido. the practice of Aiki seems legit as fuck as a philosophy. Some schools have some really fucking hardcore training.
But it's true that it ALL arts there are shit schools run by posers and charlatans. The worst offenders, to me, has to be Ninjutsu schools. Because in most of all typical mcdojo tier arts such as Wing wong chun, TKD and the such there are always some legit schools with great teachers, but I have yet to hear about ONE Ninjutsu dojo that isn't full of fraudulous shit.
Not only the teachers, but the students as well. Talking about MArtial Arts with Ninjutsu practicioners is always the most awkward and enraging shit there is.
Every conversation start with "Oh yeah I'm a Ninja" and goes down the "Yeah if I wanted I could kill you" line and whatever you do to try to keep it serious or to have an actual meaningful discussion about our mutual passion of martial arts as a whole, it's ALWAYS about how badass they are and how they can kill people because THIER art is the real assassin shit unlike all others that are nothing but sports and play.
And the delusion is so intense that even beating them HARD in a sparring will NEVER succeed in teaching them humility because it was not the real street slef defense scenario.
Chances are a well trained Kraver will have the guys balls back inside him before the fight kicks off. It's not like 2 guys stand around and square up talking shit. The second you believe it's gonna kick off you should be the first to act. And that act should be a disabling one followed up with a second/third.
It is a skill as much as it is a way. I've trained in MMA for 4 years, arguably one of my best experience, but tradition was there. my teacher's teacher was a 6th dan kyokushin master. So we saluted like in a kyokushin dojo, responded OSU like a kyokushin dojo and, overall kept most of the traditions of Karaté as part of our routine. Even some of the training involved Karaté shit, such as hitting the Makiwara to strenghten the knuckles and the such. say waht you will, but the physical conditioning of Kyokushin, despite using tools made of straw and bamboo, is TOP fucking notch.
I don't agree with Martial Arts as nothing but practicability. obviously Martial Arts are the art of war, but it doesn't mean that there is not a discipline and philosophy behind combat. It's just too bad that you really can't care enough to see it. One complements the other, in my opinion.
>"Zen in Martial Arts" by Joe Hams
I'll check it out, thanks.
>The worst offenders, to me, has to be Ninjutsu schools
Kek apparently there's only one real ninjutsu practitioner left in the world in Japan, and he refuses to take new students because he says nobody needs it any more.
He says training is basically Oliver Twist-style pickpocket stuff with bells.
Look up "Jinichi Kawakami".
From his personal web sight: http://stevenseagal.com
His bio states "A son of a Math teacher and a Medical Technician, Steven’s humble childhood was underscored by a fascination with the Martial Arts and the blues.
Some would say that this is a strange combination, but ask any Martial Arts expert or blues legend and they will both tell you that it is the spirit that reaches deep within your soul that drives the artistry.
Call it an obsession or a calling but Steven mastered Martial Arts at an early age, becoming a 7th degree black belt and Aikido master."
Check your facts son!
Yeah I've seen it and, well, that's basically what Ninjutsu has always been. I respect Ninjutsu as a tradition and find it awesome that this guy is the last one keeping the century old tradition of the Japanese spies. In that aspect, I think ninjutsu is amazing. The historical side of Ninjutsu is some of the most interesting and dark aspect of Feudal Japan's history.
It's the Ninja/karaté movie boom of the 70's and 80's that ruined everything. after everyone went crazy over how awesome the black dressed dudes with Katanas, all the frauds around the world capitalized on every edgy kid's desire to become a super hero and are sucking them dry of their money.
In my practice of martial arts, I've sparred against a lot of people. I absolutely love the practice and pursuit of MArtial Arts and am willing to try almost anything, so I'm never one to turn down a friendly sparring, but when it comes to sparring with edgy kids from le killing arts dojo, I make it a duty to teach them a lesson in humility.
I remember sparring with some wannabe kung fu idiot who heard I practiced martial arts and bothered me all night at a party to fight with him because he wanted to impress the chicks. I ended up accepting and all I did most of the time was dodge and kick his vulnerable legs. I remembger him saying "Hey dude, could you stop kicking, please? Because, then I'd have to kick as well and when I kick, I aim for the kill!"
I boxed for a couple of years, so I didn't fucking care that I couldn't use my legs. It changed from kicking his vulnerable legs to non-stop face jab and body blows. Shit was hilarious.
I'll never understand why people who never stepped in any type of gym in their entire life insist on acting like tough shit with people who actually do.
Let's face it. The streets aren't crawling with with tang clans or ninjas. Gangbangging thugs have the numbers, the guns, the drugs, the power to cripple a city, he'll a nation (Mexico). They don't stand and fight they come at you when you least expect it. A kid a stranger and blow your face off or at least innocent by standards in a drive by. In a survival situation the mental and physical discipline taught in any discipline is a great ease but the scum of the earth. The ones that will kill you for the contents of your pocket is fueled by a drug withdrawal and don't care if you know shit. But he or she will sure as hell blow you away because of a itchy, withdrawn trigger finger don't care what your belt is in.