Hillary = mandatory establishment war Cruz = mandatory establishment war Trump = massive, massive corruption Sanders = taxes, taxes, taxes and a guaranteed republican next term to destroy the economy with war and tax cuts
>>680158449 Thank you.Its been that way since before Nixon. With the electorial vote, your individual vote doesn't matter, you don't count as a vote, you count as a percentage of a vote. Fuck all four of those greedy bastards they want money and power for their own selfish reasons the whole lot of them.
>>680158263 Bernie still wants us reliant on private internationalist banks. Not even the Bolsheviks could be free from the banks and had mountainous debt. If Lenin couldn't be free from banks the Bernie Sanders can't. The rightist socialist had historically been more anti bank than the left. All I see from Bernie is high taxation and none of his ideas will fail. Half of FDR's plans failed when America was unified. What makes you think Bernie will get anything done with a very divided nation? He is a false prophet that will make the banks profit.
>>680159631 Just face it. Eventually we are united as people of planet earth and there will be no you's or me's, just us. Question that remains is how this is going to happen (THE EVENT) and under who's authority (THE GREATER GOOD). No need to fight against the inevitable.
>>680161236 and fucking 30-40 years from now it's tobacco all fucking over again. Amazing that people are too stupid to realize Big Tobacco is behind the legal weed push. Weed gets legal, next f-ing day cartons of weed smokes will be on the shelves. with extra shit added to them just like tobacco
>>680162984 Combine income my little socialist. That means my wife and my income. And I don't have a thousands of extra dollars just laying around, no more than you do. It's not my job to pay for someone else's fucking health care. Personal responsibility. You should try it.
>>680163282 tbh no one needs to be making more than 100k. "A man only needs so much money, and the rest is just for show". If we took all the excess earnings after 100k for everyone we could easily end world hunger, send everyone to college for free and eliminate taxes on everyone else.
>>680161364 >Bearnie is for those who want cange and acually cares in which direction. I bet you voted for Obama with his bullshit change meme too, all the bernie cucks are lying to themselves just like they did when they thought obama would change anything
>>680161568 Just face it. Eventually we are all dead and planet earth will be no more, just death. Question that remains is how this is going to happen (THE EVENT) and under who's authority (THE GREATER GOOD). No need to fight against the inevitable.
>>680163527 Spoken like a child who has no fucking clue about the world. My wife and I have a combine income that puts us into the middle class. You Bernie faggots would gladly take our money without a seconds hesitation because your to retarded to go out and earn it yourselves.
>>680158263 >>>680163282 >tbh no one needs to be making more than 100k. "A man only needs so much money, and the rest is just for show". If we took all the excess earnings after 100k for everyone we could easily end world hunger, send everyone to college for free and eliminate taxes on everyone else. If I want to make 500K and not give a dime to anyone else that's my right. You clearly have had a sheltered life and I can only blame you so much.
>>680163745 No you are correct. It is so much more selfish than using the people who make over 100k to fund all of our programs. We will use their labor to fund our dreams my friend, that is incredibly selfless
>>680162709 There are still people living who suffered under Nazi Germany. There are still living immediate descendants who were denied their birthright.
There are no living ex-slaves, nor are there any living children of ex-slaves. Anyone here now has an equal opportunity to succeed or fail on their own merits. A large segment seem to want to do nothing but misbehave in school and on the streets, and want a hand out for their efforts.
The problem is that the democratic party has become the party of blame others for your lot in life. Bernie's entire campaign is based around that. He blames businesses for poor people. Yet those businesses everyone blames are the people who employee most of our citizens. I'm just tired of the direction that our social (and in turn, political) system is going. Are you unhappy with your life? It's not your fault! Blame somebody else!
Were you too stupid to finish high school and are now finding out that your lack of education and no marketable skills are a problem in the real world? Blame businesses for not paying you more then your worth.
Did you spend 250,000 getting an art degree because that was always going to work out? Let's not make you pay that money back. And if you are young enough to not have that degree yet, let's start paying for it! Because having to do math should be illegal!
Are you in jail for armed robbery or drugs? Not your fault, its clearly systematic racism keeping you down. It made you rob that store! The fact you had to put a gun in the face of some guy who is only better off then you are because he is willing to work at the store instead of rob it, it's still not your fault.
Are you black? Affirmative action & quotas for colleges, and lower standards because you aren't capable of directly measuring up to white's because of all the advantages they have over you. I mean the fact that white don't know what its like to be poor totally shows it!
No one is talking about completely changing the economic model of this country. A correction is needed, however, because we are so stupid that we whine and cry about welfare queens that are squeezing nickels and dimes out of the system, while we just bare our buttholes to banks and corporations who are the real welfare queens.
>>680163527 I make over 100k and I pay a shit ton in taxes. I have a wife and 3 kids. I'm on call all the time. I take home about half my paycheck because of taxes, healthcare, and 401k contributions. You have not idea what it's like having a high salary. It's not all money in the bank dumb fuck. You want to get paid more or end world hunger? Try to feed them your bullshit. See how that fills them up fuckin fag.
>>680164158 I make 120k in California, and as long as you aren't outliving your means, you should be fine. I live in the highest taxed state in the union and don't sit around weeping like a bitch nigger. Either handle your shit or move what the fuck.
>>680164397 It's obvious how much property someone needs. All anyone really needs is a shack for shelter, ~2k calories per day, and water. Anything past that is not necessary. Not that people shouldnt have more, but dont claim you need it.
How can we have a meritocracy if people have such drastically different starting points, i.e the most disgustingly high inequality in the modern world
Lets not forget you pig fuck, unless you are making more than 250,000 a year your taxes wont increase under Sanders plan
Lets not also forget that any success you have comes from operating within a community, and utilizing a community that we have all built and invested in. You were educated in public schools that led in part to what ever meager success you have carved out, yet you would refuse to give back at all?
>>680163527 >tbh no one needs to be making more than 100k Oh shit dude, you are a complete fucking idiot. You wouldn't even know what to do. You're like the dead weight we're talking about. No imagination, no real creation, just a will to consume. You have no real clue as to the ramifications of what you propose, do you?
There are enough stupid animals on the planet. We need real, domesticated, civilized, intelligent co-creators. Not a bunch of entitled parasites, sucking the life out of the people molding your environments and creating your worlds.
Why don't you offer free food to all your local stray animals. As much as they need to live comfortably for each one and watch what happens within 2 or 3 generations. Or does your free healthcare include spay and neutering for all the subhuman parasites, too?
What you propose is untenable. A pipe dream. A fantasy.
>>680164610 You mistake me not having money laying around for not having disposable income. I have plenty of disposable income. None of which I am willing to contribute to paying for someone else life. My money all goes somewhere.
>>680164158 i would risk the assumption that your wife does not work, your house is too large, and you have at least two cars. you are living beyond your means but you are too dumb to realize it, so its the government's fault.
>>680164740 Because of people like you who refuse to look past your own nose and believe you deserve insane amounts of wealth because you work. I work, most people work, and yet I realize that I dont need more than 30k salary.
>>680164754 Not my fault I exercise responsibility. Married with one kid in a sensibly priced house. If you want to have a bunch of kids and live more extravagantly then plan for it. Don't expect the government to figure it all out for you. You're just as bad as the berniefags.
>>680164649 What happened to the trillions of dollars Obama spend on shovel ready jobs to fix our crumbling infrastructure? Ohhh that's right, exactly fucking nothing. I'm a mechanic and my wife does hair for a living. We both make very good money and started out making minimum wage. Don't mistake me for some trust fund baby you mouth breathing shit bag. Get a job, advance in life, and quit trying to live off of my taxes.
>>680164941 my point was why are you still trying to compare yourself to someone that actually found a wife you lonely fuck, clearly he isnt living beyond his means if he isnt in debt but you want him to spend his extra money on you and other strangers rather then save it for his family, which is why im calling you autistic.
>>680164009 >Anyone here now has an equal opportunity to succeed or fail on their own merits This real life. No anyone doesn't. That's not how it works nor has it ever been anywhere. Go back to your fiction story book. That's why it's called escapism.
>>680164968 And who decides the value of work? To me teachers should be an integral part of society in prepping kids with the skills to be productive. Instead we shit all over them and reward fatasses who rise to their position via the good ol' boy tradition and do nothing but stare at numbers, pitch PowerPoints, and have administrative staff for everyone else. A garbage collector works harder than them.
>>680158263 Nice meme, but the reality leaves you these choices.
1. Vote for the most qualified candidate, and also show that you're not a sexist, by voting for Hilary Clinton.
2. Vote for the communist Bernie Sanders, because you are a sexist and don't think that a woman can do the job properly.
3. Vote for a republican, because you are a racist and can't stand people of different skin tones, and a homophobic bigot and because you are a sexist and don't think that a woman can do the job properly.
There is only 1 clear choice: Hillary Clinton 2016
>>680164968 >I dont need more than 30k salary. Well good for you, dude. Don't presume to speak for me, because I actually have a will to create, develop, manage, and build, but yeah, dude enjoy sitting around drinking your natty lite thinking about how you want the wealth of the powerful while talking about not needing more than 30k in the same breath.
People aren't equal. That is an objective scientific fact. You can give one person 30k no questions and it'll turn them into an addicted festering pile of vices, while another might actually do something with it.
I'm being serious dude, If you think you're smart, then use your mind and think about the long-term realities of the planet. think about what it really means fpr people (real people, who are each unique, and not your plastic fantasy utopianites)
>>680165676 Im talking purely biological. No one needs more than 30k to survive. You say you need more to create and build new things. The thing is, you dont NEED to create and build new things, you want to. Im talking purely survival, you dont need more than 30k. Ideally the rest would go to the state so public projects can be planned and created for the benefit of everyone, rather than things being built by individuals for individual gain.
>>680165400 Let me guess, you didn't pay attention in school because it wasn't tailored specifically to you. Immigrants from Africa are successful in America because they value education and hard work. They succeed while you fail.
>>680165661 > the lethargic rich on top who do nothing other than present powerpoints
That's just a meme dude. Enjoy your strawmen and fantasy rhetoric. It's actually pretty challenging to manage real wealth. And idle and incompetent people tend not to hold wealth for too long.
Money is a representation of our collective energy. Some people really have more than others because they need it. They are more capable than others. It's reality. There are those who know how to use wealth and resources, while I know some people who can only think of buying bullshit and entertainment with whatever money they can get.
>>680165995 People from poor areas attend poor schools, often have parents who work long hours, multiple jobs, or commute, live in generally cramped loud crime ridden areas with more pollution and garbage, eat shittier food, etc...
>>680160447 You make a huge point, that actually needs to be addressed. Thank you for not being ignorant like the rest of the people here. However voting for the president still matters. He/she is a representative. We don't want someone like trump or Hilary representing our country. Trump is unprofessional and immature. Hilary is a liar and a criminal. These are not people we want antagonizing other countries.
>>680165516 Value is based on demand and supply for the given field. That is why jobs like starbucks/flipping burgers pay nearly nothing because a few hours of training in your done. Low end retail jobs pay only slightly better because it requires some customer skills and sales technique but not much, so pay is low. Higher end sales require more skills so pays higher.
Can anybody be a teacher? No, but just about any person who has completed a 2 or 4 year degree can. The work is hard, no denying that. And not everybody is cut out to teach or educate kids BUT the requirements are significantly lower, its a very easy job to get into.
Realistically even Garbage collector is a pretty easy job and the only reason it pays as well as it does is not everyone is willing to have the social stigma of the job. But its less demanding then general construction in most cases but typically pays better.
>>680165939 >The thing is, you dont NEED to create and build new things, you want to. This is what I'm talking about dude. You should be ashamed, Honestly.
You sit there, on the shoulders of giants, while bitching at them that they do nothing and you need their shit. You're full of paradoxes dude. Go live on a farm without access to healthcare, roads, your smartphone, etc. and tell me all about what you don't need to survive.
You stand on the shoulders of giants and you shouldn't forget it.
>>680166353 Luck >>680166519 Why do people choose difficult jobs now? Some do it for the money, sure, but ask a doctor why they are a doctor and most will say something like "I want to help people". People dont do jobs just for money
>>680166568 You must be joking. You dont seem to be able to divorce in your head the idea of what you need to survive and what you want. Basically like one of those teens on twitter who complains about how hard life is because they didnt get an iphone for christmas. Needs vs wants, look it up
>>680165995 You know nothing about me, oh dear fellow. Good job ignoring the fact of real life. I'm not taking about blacks or Africans. In talking about people. Nothing you said changes the truth of what I said. I'm far from failing.
>>680166972 I do want to have masters. Also, I want to, and do, work. I just want the excess I produce, but do not need, to go to the state for the benefit of everyone rather than the benefit of only myself.
Of course you dont need money to survive, but money is used to get food and shelter, which you do need. That's what I mean by 30k, enough money to get things you need to survive
>>680166762 In many parts of the world education is valued, those nations will produce the "tiger-moms" with harsh discipline making the kids make the best of the opportunity the new country is offering. But in the big picture I think it is very few of them actually becoming rich. How many rich people become poor?
>>680166353 Do you have any data to back up the implication that immigrants are more (or at least as) likely as natives to become wealthy as adults? because all of the research I am familiar with correlates poverty in childhood with crime and further poverty in adulthood.
>>680166913 Sanders' campaign contents: > homophobia > sexism > racism > xenophobia > [insert new phobia blaming all white people] > [insert new phobia blaming all men] > [insert new phobia blaming all heterosexuals]
Yeah, his politics seem pretty unbiased and completely reasonable.
>>680166869 >You dont seem to be able to divorce in your head the idea of what you need to survive and what you want. You haven't thought about this much have you? That logic, if you can even call it that, is the kind of shit that stagnates people into obsolescence. You don't know what you want or what you need, you fucking idiot. You don't know how most of the shit that you depend on works, and yet you talk about what you "need". You fucking idiot. Also, you're projecting pretty severely here, you entitled parasite.
Feed the strays on your dime if you want, but you can go to fucking hell if you think you're using my money for anything.
>>680167418 Of course the research you are familiar with shows this, it pushes the narrative of the poor helpless immigrant. But there are studies out there that show immigrants are usually wealthier than average americans https://andreaspouros.com/2015/02/08/the-immigrant-paradox/#_edn1
>>680165508 Services, not welfare. Even then, most services would be way more effective and efficient if they were privatized. If we are to have welfare it should only be in the most dire of circumstances, not because some schmuck has "adhd and bipolar" and "can't work".
>>680164048 "Greater good of everyone".. people is shit, all of us should burn, I understand it so I don't give a fuck about others and about the "greater good". I don't give money to anyone because no one deserves them but me. You're living in a fairy world where everybody is godd people and bla bla. that's not our world. Fuck everybody and you autistic kid in particular
>>680168290 there's nothing wrong with people coming in who wanna be a part of your society and improve it. regressive islamists should not be allowed in is what I mean. I love how you right wingers are such incredible 12 yr old impersonators.
>>680167418 Let me guess though, those stats are dominated by niggers right? Check the poor white people and crime doesn't run their lives. My grandparents escaped poland with nothing, worked their asses off. My dad worked his ass off to have a good job. Now I'm finishing school and have a great job lined up. My family on my other side is so fucked up that I don't even see them. My mom was pregnant at 16 and never even finished grade 9. She worked ridiculously hard and just retired at 55 making over 70k a year. Stop fucking feeling sorry for yourself and work. Go from nothing to having a million dollar house in two generations of being here. Stop excusing bad behaviour.
>>680165046 you know germany become the first world power under hitler leadership, taking aside the killing of everybody, he was kind of good Yeah, socialism is better than economical liberalism who would have thonk
>>680167495 > All it takes is a slip up, and your mountain can crumble. How? Suppose you have $10 million. You split it up into little pieces and put half of those pieces into different savings accounts with different banks and use the other half to buy a diverse portfolio of stocks. How will your mountain crumble?
Overall, in the long run, the mountain will only grow and even if catastrophe strikes and you lose, let's say, 20% of your money because of some horrific stock market crash, who gives a fuck? Not you, because you'll still have $8 million and you'll still be a rich son of a bitch.
In other words: once you have a mountain of money, you always increase it in the long run and you are never at risk of losing it all, unless you really are a complete retard.
Holy fuck dude, what are you, like 12? HAAHAHAHA. This isn't a My Little Pony Episode we're talking about, here.
Where you people are going wrong in your logic, is the people you imagine. You aren't imagining real people, you imagine some fucking meme of a person, who is some generic peer among similar peers and equals.
That's some bullshit, buddy. We're not the fucking same at all. There are people who could build a fortress out of scrap while others are born vegetables. And everything in between.
>>680168802 Yeah he did, start killing people and go to war with everybody becouse and ideal He was an optimist beliver faggot, who cares about ideals if you have some good ol' cocaine to take before dying
The success of the immigrants in question is attributed to cultural differences (the strict parent meme we are all familiar with) regarding education. Furthermore, these successful immigrants (Although it is a misrepresentation to ignore the fact that at this point they are american citizens, as are you and I) pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits.
so as a result of hard work, an american becomes successful, and pays his success forward. what is your problem with that?
I love how all the idiotic immigrant hillary supporters dont identify with her positions at all yet don't vote for sanders because >muh grandparents fled communism. Top fucking kek americans are retarded
>>680168702 Yeah nobody is good people, that's why your idea is just childish, everybody will start doing nothing and being lazy just because they will know that somebodyelse with his hard work will pay for their lazyness.
>>680168691 People (typically) with a lot of wealth live a lifestyle that requires significantly more money. Additionally a lot of times money is tied up into assets and isn't equally liquid. But the thing is, anybody can do what you say, people just don't. They think they "need more" , always. Saving money in general can be tough for most people, even rich, people always think they will have it. The fact people have a lot simply usually means they spend a lot.
Oh how I pity the Human race, that we even need to be having this conversation. Sanders is literally the only candidate who is not either a religious nutter, corporately owned and/or part of the established cabal. He cares for the people, fuck your labels about 'socialism', he is clearly a humanist and the only kind of hope we have of steering our society away from environmental armagedon as well as freeing the working people from the slavery of modern life.
>>680169494 So we came to the same conclusions that 2nd generation immigrants are usually successful therefore proving your original argument way up top wrong.>>680166162 You can get rich with hardwork, even poor 2nd generation immigrants
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