Why are there still people in this day and age that support creationism and doubt scientific facts like evolution or the big bang?
Ignorance.
>>679742488
yup
why is OP still a fag?
>>679741876
rednecks
>>679741876
I'm in an odd place in between.
>>679743128
Virus
>>679744132
how so?
I'll bite
>scientific fact
>the big bang
>>679744289
Yes?
>>679744440
No, it's a theory. The existence of the universe would be a scientific fact, since its refutation would have to leave science and enter philosophy. But the Big Bang Theory (nice name) isn't a fact. It's our best explanation thus far, which leaves room for dispute.
>>679744723
idiot
>>679744859
This is the quality of trolling on /b/ in 2016. I need some Metal Gear Solid 4 music.
>>679744723
>iz ony thery
>>679741876
Because there are people out there who value a sense of belonging and a binary, black and white template of conflict to project onto their otherwise meaningless lives more than they value being right. They are called authoritarian followers and about 60% of everybody exhibits medium to strong authoritarian follower tendencies.
>>679745736
By the way, the tribe and dogma an authoritarian follower attaches themselves to us of little importance, the behavior and thought patterns remain the same. Compare radical feminists to alt-right radicals and you'll see many similarities in behavior and thinking.
>>679741876
Dumb people.
>>679741876
Because they can't live knowing god doesn't have their back through this shit life or that good deeds aren't really rewarded and are scared when they die there is nothing. It's to keep people in line and the people in power have control through the church.
>>679741876
Because the world isn't as simple as you think it is.
>>679747414
lol
>>679741876
Because the possibility that this WASN'T all created specifically for us is terrifying to some people. We humans like to feel special, and there's nothing less special than theories which, in some aspect, say "You're not special".
>>679747607
That's right, retard. Laugh because you can't deny what was just stated.
>>679747414
explain
>>679747808
Not him, but what you just stated was entirely meaningless.
>>679747204
To add to this, I think this is also where a lot of fedorafags fail. They assume that their presumed 'higher knowledge' MAKES them special, in the same way a religion person assumes their relationship with a deity makes them special. If there's anything modern biology teaches us, it's that we aren't special, and that you can go ahead and stop feeling so good about what the laws of physics already figured out how to do a long time ago.
>>679747998
Really? I think you are either to stupid to understand or just refuse to acknowledge that you don't know shit. Correct?
Atheist: about as dumb as creationist.
So what caused inflation in the first place? Explain.
>>679749318
Universe's genetics
>>679749153
Why?
>>679749318
>inflation
>>679749473
Because you blindly believe in something that you could never prove.
Do you know the definition of a theory?
>>679749505
Good job. You learned a word.
>>679749653
Do you?
>>679749318
You explain
>>679744723
>mfw its been proven
>we can still here the 'bang'
>this is nothing new
>>679745736
Yes, that's what drives every atheist, and that's all you can see, so you think it explains everyone you don't like
>>679749744
Lol, and theist are the dumb ones, right?
>>679741876
How does it feel to know that no one will ever care what you think of them as much as you care what they think of you
Same fucking faggot assholes.
>>679749867
WTF are you nattering about?
>>679747204
Ironically the sense that good deeds are rewarded and bad deeds punished in some universal court of justice seems to de-incentivise good behavior among the faithful, since god will sort it all out later and they're saved anyway since they've seen the light.
>>679749878
Great answer.
>>679741876
>scientific facts like evolution or the big bang
theories aren't facts
>>679749937
Will you fuck off?
>>679741876
Some believe in both, not every person who believes in creationism believes a book that was written by power hungry men.
>>679741876
Because their fucking stupid
>>679750121
Idiot.
>>679749867
see>>679746066
I precluded your asinine attempt to project my point onto the people YOU don't like. Besides, the people I'm talking about are generally likeable, just if they perceive you to belong to their tribe. Otherwise, without prompting from either an authoritarian leader or a direct outside attack on their identity, they are quite passive.
>>679750177
>their
kek
>>679749792
Have you seen the data proving this yourself, or are just reciting garbage from scientific journals?
>>679750121
>theories proven many times over
>religious nuts got a book and he said she said
theory or not who is dumber
>>679750219
Denial.
>>679750365
what does this even mean?
>>679750137
No, my goal is to destroy your shitpost trolling.
>>679741876
Religion messes up societies.
Did you know that religion is the only area of human society that has made ZERO advancements and progress in the last 2,000 years?
>>679750365
yes and the data is ever present because it can be visibly observed and documented by many sources wither it be a scientific journal or not
>>679744723
Idiot. Advancements in our technology and recent research and data have enabled scientists to essentially build a model of our universe and reverse its expasion to when it was nothing but a super dense mass. The "what" that caused the "bang" isnt necessarily a theory, as with the observation of how different molecules react, naturally with that dense of an object, ..?? BANG. Now where that super mass of matter came from in the first place is a gray area. You should stay current on scientific discoveries friendo
>>679750813
>Zero advancements
Not true. The ideology, theology, and practice of religion has most certain changed and evolved over time, whether for good or for bad. But it certainly hasn't remained static. Claiming that it has is just complete stupidity.
>Zero progress
Well what would you define as progress? Most main religions typically revolve around a God whose characteristics include not being bound by time, and being unchanging in quality- because if God was assumed to be perfect, a change would necessitate a step down from perfection, thus making another dilemma- meaning that of course it will in some aspects be unchanging; it's inherently made that way.
Same reason anyone does anything else: so you can make a thread about it every night on /b/
>>679750419
The epitome of science was at one point speculating whether or not things magically popped out of thin air. That was disproven.
Science really isn't some contradictory force to religion, it really is about learning and experiencing and explaining. In that process, scientific theories have been proven wrong thousands of times as we've developed our understanding of the world around us. I fail to see your point.
Also, a theory is still a theory.
>>679750985
That means nothing. You saying that is as helpful as a religious person saying "Yes. And the data of God is ever present because it can be observed and documented by many sources wither (sic) it be the bible or not".
You're just regurgitating what you've heard you think is true.
>>679750022
People only do it to benefit themselves. Even if they are helping someone else it's so they feel good about it later and puts them at ease
>>679744251
Not him,but here goes my idea.
Creationism at its heart is a story. A story of how God breathed life into our soul. Not of how the individual pieces of creation were made. Which is how the Bible is. It doesn't tell us how the individual some of the universe came to be. It tells is about the beyond. Youth can be both. I am a rational thinker and a believer in God. That doesn't mean that I discount evidence of evolution. Far from it. Science is real. Duh. It doesn't disprove the existence of God.
>>679741876
Well since the big bang is the best guess we have, and the fact that new science is showing that maybe it all was just there to begin with without beginning, Id say you can drop that one until we have a real answer.
But yeah, anti science is bullshit.
>>679752544
People who do not believe there is a mystical karmic sorter in the sky to right wrongs and reward good eggs who are not psychopathic tend to take the righting wrongs and rewarding good into their own hands more often.
>>679752227
Nigga the epitome of religion was, "Oh shit, if we teach this to children they'll actually believe it as adults. Oh my God this is literally child's play," about 10,000 years ago, and now it infects the minds of most of the population.
>>679749653
Saying that everyone is an idiot, essentially trying to only bolster and validate your own, probably ambiguous, views really doesn't do anything.
Regardless of what you believe about the origins of the universe, it can't truly be "proven". So if you're judging intellect on the basis of belief in the origins of the universe, you're just as incapable of comprehending it as literally everyone else as far as "proving it".
Believing in the impossible is a bad thing nowadays. Rather have an open mind than accept w/e bs the minds at nasa feed you.
also this
>>679751822
in response to
>>679752911
School started with the belief that people should be able to read the bible at least. think less 10,000 years ago and more 200 years ago. Before that, it was accepted that keeping people stupid is an effective way to control them.
>>679741876
>implying theories are facts
>>679753301
Evolution is hard fact
>>679752823
Yes but because of their conscience. They do it for approval, reward, self assurance. Either way It's for some kind of peace of mind or good feeling. It's still for them.
>>679753436
The THEORY of evolution.
>>679752911
But that's simply not true. That's a falsely conceived stereotype of religion. The reference to spontaneous generation I made has historical ground. Yours does not. Yours only attempts to assert a negative light on religion because you view it to be harmful.
>>679753620
You are a moron
>>679753620
This post shows your lack of scientific knowledge.
>>679749318
Dark energy
>>679753620
SHITposting
>>679753620
Gravity is also just a theory, try and disprove it
>>679753708
>>679753824
Not him, but how so?
Emphasizing the fact that it's theory doesn't seem to ignorant to me. It seems more ignorant to take a theory and dogmatically assert it as truth. And even more stupid to, without any context or justification, insult him. Makes no sense.
>>679754223
you don't know what a scientific theory is
>>679752227
>Science really isn't some contradictory force to religion.
Religion thinks some magical man in the sky made earth and man in most cases in a instant
Science proves that the age of the earth alone is not 2000 fucking years old (carbon dating using the radioactive half life of carbon 14) proves also that man didn't just show up (Genetics and biology in any form). To most they appear pretty fucking contradictory in the few examples that are stated above.
>>679754346
Then please explain.
>>679754063
No. Gravity is a law.
>>679754223
Fucking THANK YOU!
>>679754063
Didnt get the memo? Team of nigs proved it as they have a way to measure it now via wave lengths or some shit. Check it out pretty good read.
>>679754568
It's also a theory
>>679754735
The LAW of gravity.
>>679742488 checked
>>679743046
/thread
>>679743128
>>679754830
How about cells? Have a problem with those?
>>679754830
The THEORY of Universal gravitation
>>679754959
What about them? I don't see what you're getting at with this.
>>679741876
Why are you still going through your Atheism phase?
>>679755052
Cell theory
>>679754993
Last I checked it was Newton's LAW of Universal Gravitation because it is no longer a theory.
>>679754993
dude its a fucking law already.
>>679754439
>In an instant
Certainly not. The ancient Hebrews really only had 1 word for longer times, yom, which was originally translated as day, but truly just marked separations of time. Also to assume everything was made instantly, even if you did take a bad translation literally, would be stupid.
>Magical man in the sky
Also simply not true. To (at least to the Abrahamic religions to which I'm assuming you're referring to), God is much more akin to, but is distinct from, a force. Not to reinforce New Age theology at all, but compared to a "magical man in the sky", it's more true/probably just easier to explain because it's more mainstream at the moment.
>2000 years.
I don't think anyone, not even the Jehovah's Witnesses, the most fundamental of fundamentalists believe the earth is 2000 years old. If someone were to assume the events of the new testament true, well, everything in the old testament must have come before that, blah blah blah, so logically there's more than 2000 years to the earth. Not sure where you got that people think that.
I also don't think people think man just "showed up". Created, surely. Brought to life, surely. Spontaneously generated? Surely not.
>>679755208
I acknowledge that cells exist and make up everything even though "cell theory" is still what it's called. Doesn't mean all scientific theories are correct.
>>679754614
You're welcome.
>>679755270
What about the Heliocentric theory
>>679741876
Because the educated and powerful realize that knowledge is power and invest a lot into maintaining the status quo
>>679752496
its not data because its opinionated also religion is nothing but fucking regurgitating what you heard because all of it is fucking he said she said and you pass it on meaning there is not any factual evidence just what people thought they saw past that story on which means from one person to another the story can be mad libed and exaggerated meaning that it cant be held to truth.
>>679744723
> It's only a theory
> like Germ Theory and Theory of Gravity
Right-o
>>679741876
You're probably long gone but fuck off. Okay. Fuck off. nO one likes you, punk.
Atheist are lying assholes who should be tortured until dead.
>>679755783
Well that's no way to act.
>>679744723
thereby the big bang is bullshit as is evoltuion. you have no room for fuck all, you piece of shit. i fucking hate you and so wishes that you're discovered by a gang of niggers who has the aids and raped horribly until pos.
>>679755783
You forgot your ^^^
>>679755181
Why are you still going through your imaginary friend phase?
>>679755942
You have to have quite a lot of evidence, both mathematical and physical to even be considered a theory.
>>679755909
oh fuck it is, fucking it is, i fucking hate atheist. to kill them would be too merciful, maybe it's best to pelt them with small bits of molten slag. Nothing to big, say, the size of a grain of sand. Just pelt the fucking things until they relent.
>>679755651
Well, regarding the inflation of stories over time, sure. That happens, and I would say it's particularly able to happen when recording indescribable, transcendent events and happenings and experiences. That being said, we have fairly well documents and texts dating back to either when the events happened, or shortly after, all by eyewitnesses (who are held accountable in our justice system, but not in an atheists view of any religious material?), and there are typically historical, extra-biblical references to most the events.
It just being he-said she-said, isn't entirely accurate, but believe what you want.
>>679756115
And what religion do practice?
>>679755526
Yes I get it. There are theories that have a lot of evidence to back up and are obvious. But there isn't enough evidence to tout a lot of these theories as fact. Science is all about finding out new information and being proven wrong yet when certain theories are questioned, people go apeshit. Maybe you don't have as much evidence as you think you do and are actually just blindly following the herd? Nah can't be that. But again, that's just a theory.
>>679756071
GO EAT SHIT YOU FUCKIGN L YING FUCK.
SHOW ME ANYTHING ANYTHING THAT NOTHING MADE, YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE. I WOULD FUCKING FUCK YOUR DAUGHTER BEFORE YOU EY ES YOU PIECE OF SHIT AND LAUGH AS I AM PUNISHED BY THE CREATOR FOR BEING AS MUCH OF A PIECE OF SHIT AS YOU.
FUCK YOU.
SHOW ME, SHOW ME SHOW ME.....
Okay...slowing down a bit; show me, you fucking lying piece of human excrement, the nothingness that was, then show me A FUCKING SINGULARITY THAT NOT ONLY SELF CREATES FROM NOTHING BUT KNOWS THAT IT HAS TO EXPAND TRILLIONS UPON TRILLIONS UPON TRILLIONS OF TIMES ESSENTIALY 10 TO THE MUTHA FUCKING EXPONENT OF 32 TIMES FASTER THAN A FRACTION OF A SECOND
OR BREAKING EVERY MUTHA FUCKING LAW OF PHYSICS THERE IS, YOU PIECE OF SHIT, TO OVERCOME ITS OWN GRAVITY WELL.
I FUCKING HATE YOU
>>679756404
the religine where i get to fuck up atheist.
>>679756431
the theory of evolution is not about whether evolution is real or not, it's about how it works
whether it' real is not in question
>>679741876
>facts like ... the big bang?
You realise "the big bang" is just one theory, and scientists aren't in complete agreement on it?
>>679756633
Name these other well supported theories.
>>679756566
I should hope not Christianity. You're not really acting very Christian-like if that's the case. More Muslim like if anything.
>>679752619
But how do shitposters deal with you if you're going to be like that?
>>679756325
eyewitnesses who at the time in that region where so fucking high off opium also saw multiple events just a crazy and are many documented accounts of people describing this and denying these holy events but you know believe what you want.
>>679756738
youknow, demons and the devil knows God exist. In fact, the demons begged to not be abyssed before their time. One doesn't have to be A Christian to know something. That's why Paul said, Works without FAITH is dead and FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD.
In simple terms, I may know God exist, but I'm not working with him as a devote Christian would. For even the demons know God exist yet tremble. Think of me as some one who knows. I am a piece of shit. A sinner, I am a denizen of /b/. Just the other day i fapped my cock raw to the worse of things found on this page and wept in sadness and remorse only to fail again but a few days later. Fucking sin is fuck.
>>679757115
>I may know God exist
wut
>>679756486
because a magical man creating him self and then defining the existence that is too then have his followers go against him. yeah real fucking rock solid start can create all that is reality but can control the mindless sheep he created.
>>679756704
>no one is even mentioning the equally plausible flat earth theory, which contradicts big bang theory
>>679757452
*can't control
>>679757455
bait
>>679756997
The opium bandwagon. Surely no one believes this? There's only really been one account of anyone I've seen believing this and it was entirely crazy. I don't have an honest refute of it, mainly because there's nothing to refute but the concept itself.
>>679752619
There's no reason to think that souls exist. Think of your brain like being a computer's hard drive and your "soul" being the software. Software is physically stored on a hard drive by engraving information on a disk just like your "soul" being physically stored in your brain. It's the same reason why your personality can change when you have a brain injury. To continue with the analogy it's not that a spiritual thing was damaged through physical means, it's that your files were corrupted. There's no magic involved.
>>679756486
I know it's b8, but I love explaining physics and astronomy.
Pic related is the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation. It is essentially the after glow of the big bang. It is the thermal energy that was left over when the universe was still opaque. You can literally point a radio telescope into a seemingly empty part of the sky and get these signals.
Einstein's theory of general relativity states that the speed of light is the ultimate speed limit in the universe. To accelerate and an object with any mass at all would literally require infinite energy, and anything without mass must travel at the speed of light. But since space time is neither particle nor energy, it has no speed limit to its expansion. It can expand as fast or as slow as it wants.
>>679757178
At the very least, COCK SUCKER, you have no choice but to admit that some one infinitely smarter than we are, and more purposeful and physically able, did it. Human DNA, you piece of FUCK, is more than 3 billion tiers of purposeful information, and yet, AND YET, windows 10 is a little over 40 million lines of code, and that program took, thousands and hundreds of millions not to mention thirty plus years of progress and progressions and contrivances of all kinds.
So to say, life can self create is saying, windows 10 could have self created.
I hate you atheist so much, you can't imagine. Not fags, not murderers, not rapist, but atheist. I fucking hate, atheist.
>>679757452
SEE MY ABOVE COMMENT YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT, MAY YOU GET NIGGER AIDS IN YOUR ASS AND DIE SCREAMING, I FUCKING HATE YOU. And i'm rather sad your mom didn't swallow your dad's part of you. Had your blessed mom did that, it would have lessened the stench that you atheist exude. For I can smell you stench all the way over here, you filthy cock roach.
>>679757741
>I don't understand it, therefore god
>>679757514
nazi faggot
>>679757741
Windows 10 is not alive.
>>679757866
pretty much how god became a thing
>>679757576
the fact opium has been around and used as a medical herb since then to now and they made it into fucking tea which is a method they have openly said has been passed down from generation to generation is not bandwagon.
>>679757866
>>679757901
Getting trolled this hard.
>>679757741
Stay salty bible thumper
lol at the attempted edge master in here
hilarious
>>679757115
If you understand that recognizing God's existence isn't what leads to a relationship with God and salvation...and you recognize that sin is real in the world and you've a struggle with it... What's stopping you from "working with him as a devote christian would"?
Being a devout Christian doesn't mean being perfect. It means screwing up, and realizing you screwed up, "carrying your cross daily" and "dying to your self"-- humbling yourself that way.
I don't think you're that far off. You just need some guidance.
>>679757899
fur mien fuhrer
>>679757654
GO AND FIND A DUCK, AND I WANT YOU to stick your dick into this duck, you piece of shit. then after that, I want you to shove your dick into the bum of the nearest nigger, and say, "SURPRISE BUTT SEX, YOU NIGGER!"
How dare you talk about anything post creation to me and then even claim to have a say, when you, YOU FUCKING ATHEIST, believes a magical ball of fuck all decidedly self creates then expands dozens of trillions of times faster than the smallest fraction of a second only to expand just fast enough to overcome its own gravity well to then go on and create black matter because it was flying apart then after congealing and forming complex particles it engages in mad because anti and regular particles don't get along then because of the fear of becoming a black hole, or several at this point, it creates dark energy that compels it to BREAK EVERY LAW OF PHYSICS ONCE MORE TO ARRIVE WHERE IT IS.
There's something ccalled hate. and it's what i feel for your kind. you fuckign lyiing bitches, loves to say, the first four seconds of the UNVIERSE IS UNKNOWABLE.
but coventiently, most of the unvierse came into being in less than a second.
BRAVO ATHEIST, BRAVO.
i'd do correctiions, but you cunts aren't worth the effort. fuckign idiot.
>>679757741
what about it I cant read butt mad
>>679756325
Eye-witness evidence is the worst evidence in a court. Also, we don't have temporaneous texts from the Jesus myth. The earliest he was written about was something like 119 C.E.
>>679758045
True. But using that to explain away an entire nation, and now an entire planet of generational experiences and reasoning doesn't make sense.
The variant of opium they had particularly in the middle east was not very psychoactive either.
>>679758399
it wasn't a magical ball it was space dust ya fuck
There's a pretty simple answer here....
Simply put; our minds literally can not grasp the concept of COMPLETE nothingness
Which is why we insist there's something else
Im sorry but its not a fact. Im for evolution and the big vang but its all theory. Not fact.
>>679741876
Because they are scientifically illiterate. This thread is proof of that.
>is only a theory
>>679758588
please refer to this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium
>>679758399
Actually, we can't explain the first 10^-34 seconds of the universe. The first planck second. We know that matter, anti-matter, the four forces of the universe and many other things happened in literally the first second.
>>679757115
Go back to /x/ you schizophrenic fuck go get ganstalked by your own shadow
>>679757866
YOU STINKING MUTHA FUCKER, YOU HAVE YET TO SHOW US TESTABLE, OBSERVE ABLE RECREATE ABLE PROOF THAT ANY OF YOUR THEORIES HAPPENED.
EAT SHIT AND DIE, COCK SUCKER!
>>679757901
No, you fucking idiot, windows ten is purposeful information, as is DNA.
you do know you have to be older than fourteen to post here, yeah?
>>679758142
Your dad's troll cock lost its way and found its way into your blessed mom's bread maker by accident. But, he wanted anal that night. If only he found the door he was after. Now, we'll never know what the world would have been like, witout you.
>>679758173
yes, salt, lots of it, yup, how's about you now go and have a good evening.
>>679758271
because like the atheist here and others, i'm a peice of shit.
Hopefully I'll cry and repent in ashes before its too late. One can only hope.
>>679741876
I dont support creationim, but big bang is not a "fact", is a theory, there are a few scientist that question that theory. Also, the big bang dont explain the beggining of the universe, nowadays the experts speculate that maybe the universe have been existing always, without a origin
>>679741876
Why do people even care anymore?
Maybe something will happen when I die, maybe nothing will happen.
I don't really care, I got better shit to worry about.
>>679758805
How is evolution not a fact?
>>679758690
get outta here u theoretical quantum physics qt
>>679758690
A single point of infinite density is not nothing. It's pretty god damn close, but not nothing
>>679758863
Look man you're clearly mentally ill get help please
>>679753620
The THEORY of gravity
Cell THEORY
The germ THEORY of disease
Read a fucking book, nigger
>>679758863
>windows10=DNA
oh boy
>>679758443
The timeline of those texts is incorrect, though yes, eye-witness evidence is generally not only enough.
The Gospels and Acts were all written quite a bit prior to that.
I would just copy and paste a bunch of stuff, but this link does a pretty good job at explaining most of it using context/historical accounts both inter and extrabiblically. Read it if you wish.
https://carm.org/when-were-gospels-written-and-by-whom
>>679758848
You don't know fuckign anything, LIAR, because you weren't there. and there's nothing in your telecopes that can say what happened either. Say it with me, LIAR, "I'm as faithful as theist are for I believe, i.e., I'm as faithful as theist are my THEORIES, at the very least as some semblance of reality."
>>679758859
HEY, AREN'T YOU SCARED, YOU FUCKIGN IDIOT, SEEING AS HOW THE FIRST SINGULARITY APPEARED WITHOUT PROVOCATION FROM NOWHERE, WHAT'S PREVENTING ANOTHER ONE, AND ANOTHER ONE, AND ANOTHER ONE, I MEAN IF A SINGULARITY APPEARED AND EXPANDED AND THE SAME SHIT IN THEREBY THE SAME SHIT OUT, HOW THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW THAT PART OF YOU YOUR DAD PUT IN YOUR MOM WAS ACTUALLY YOU YOU AND NOT A FORMER YOU FROM A PREVIOUS EXPANSE THAT WAS MADE BY A DIFFERENT SINGULARITY.
fuck, mind blown.
>>679758620
Ohyou.jpg
>>679759162
And you obviously has no proof of which to speak of. Therefore admit you're as faithful as theist are and I'll think about stopping my litany.
>>679755270
Newton's "Law" is actually wrong. It's just an approximation. The same way Ohm's "Law" isn't really a law, just a convenient equation.
Same shit, brah. Both are just theories... there's no such thing as true in this, is just that creationism sounds really much more dweeb.
>>679759404
>>679744723
>>679744859
>>679749792
>>679751285
>>679755778
>>679755942
Ya'll don't know about George Lemaite. A Catholic Priest who is the origin of the (obviously correct) theory you now speak of. theory, what's in a word? Jesus niggering Christ. I thought 4chan had white, scientific-type people.
>>679759404
You know to much
Expect to see us
We are coming
>>679759404
We can explain what happened with math. Math is our way of representing nature in a way our brains can comprehend.
>>679758947
This whole thread is theoretical
The irony is that;
>the creationists believe what they believe through faith based on a higher being
>the atheist believe what they believe through faith in theirs
Both of you are fags
Going to bed. Was fun/interesting discussing with you folk.
Well punctuated Christian, away!
>>679759766
Math and Cosmology are ours
The Bible is theirs
>>679759264
You fucking kids..isnt it past your bedtime young one? Once more, KID, DNA is purposeful information, Windows 10 is purposeful information.
Understand? Am I going to fast for you, young one?
>>679759540
in lieu of proof you post an image claimign i"m bait, good one, gog.
>>679759558
callign your magical self creating ball of fuck all, SCIENCE. Next, you'll tell me that amino acids can not only self create but go on to write dna, accomplishing what we, with all our modern contrivances can't.
you fucking atheist.
>>679759591
If only life were that exciting. Sadly, demons nor aliens nor nothing will ever sit down and say hi.
preferably aliens, not demons because demons don't like us any. I find it funny people want to be friendly with Satan when, HE'S A FUCKING ROARING LION SEEKIGN TO DEVOR YOU.
IMAGINE A ROARING LION, THEN IMAGINE YOU TRYING TO BE ITS FRIEND. YEAH, FUCKING DUMB RIGHT.
>>679759766
I know just the way you put it sums up higher levels of quantum physics which is in a nutshell
this is and is not but can be but cannot be a true nor false reality do to infinite possibility's
isn't science Phun!
>>679741876
The same reason why people still believe "we are all equal" and "multiculti works": stupidity, ignorance and brainwashing.
>>679759952
you want attention and to feel special because you came from a broken home
>>679759670
Yes, because the fuckign quants of wallstreet had several financial instruments that could explain everythiing and yet post the fall they said, and I quote.
OUR MATH SIMPLY DESCRIBES POTENTIALITIES, NOT REALITIES. NOTHING CAN ADEQUATELY DESCRIBE REALITIES, SIMPLY POSSIBILITIES AND IF ANDS AND MAYBES.
yeah, math.
>>679759901
You fucking atheist always claim science and reality when your beliefs are dumb as fuck because they assume nothing can self create when THE FUCKING COMPUTER YOU'RE USING WAS MADE BY SOME ONE AND YET LIFE, AND THE UNVIERSE THAT ARE COMPLEXITIES BILLIONS OF TIMES MORE COMPLICATED THAN COMPUTERS, self created?
You, fucking, atheist, are, something, else!
>>679759766
>Hur dur atheists hab faith too you're both dumb and I get to feel superior xdddddd
This shit. Every time
>>679758947
Imagine this single point of infinite density......
Damn... You're still imagining a thing; which cannot at the same thing be nothing
So like I said you can't... And the human mind can't
>>679759952
>defending the comparison of windows 10 and DNA unironically
>damage control in full effect
may not believe in god but you make me want to turn to a higher power to explain this amount of autism
>>679760306
At the end of the day it doesn't matter if you believe in a god or not, you're going in the ground either way.
>>679760221
Actually I'm with this guy. You can't be a friend of a roaring lion...
Then, you are a dweeb, fuckin self-fucker ass hole.
>>679760353
You're argument is garbage and childish
I am superior to you
>>679760306
Is it illogical to say nature created itself?
>>679744723
This is true. There's nothing wrong with being a theory. Just because something actually happened doesn't mean it's not a theory.
>>679760221
my home is anything but broken and people all around me treats me like a normal person, but i'm not normal at all. i wanted to hurt peopel for a lonog long time, and now thanks to studying science and reading text books, i found a place to put my hate. and on peopel who deserves my hate, no less.
>>679760451
being autistic is awesome though because what you like in communicability you more than make up for in observability. And it's all information. You're the dumb bitch saying the alphabet and morse code isn't the same thing or binary numbers and dashes and odds, you're a fucking idiot who can't see the forest for the trees. and that's fine. Because you were built that way, sadly. Your dad was in your mom and sneezed when he came, some of the cum fell to the floor. we'll never know if the right germ got to the egg or not.
oh, we know, the one who fell to the ground should have made it.
>>679760383
but it at the same time is something and the human mind can comprehend nothingness it doesn't want to because the human conscious is scared of being nothing and has the on going desire to prove its not
>>679760672
Yeah, now nature is a self-fucker. Thanks for your opinion..
>>679760864
>>679759901
So- math and cosmology is your bible?
Or am I missing something?
>>679761102
>>679761102
Cosmology and Math are what I derive my beliefs from.
>>679760544
It must hurt though. Knowing that you're as faithful as theist are. I at the very least knows someone complicated did it. Even if you said, no to a God, at the very least I know some one smarter than we are and more advanced than we are, made us. For everything remotely complicated that we've seen, was made by us. And that gives me comfort. I know a bit more than that of course but whatever.
>>679760672
Everything remotely complicated was made. Even a house was made. you've never seen a house and said, 'that house obviously made itself.'
>>679760960
If only I could stop watching porn and masturbating.
>>679760864
>germ=sperm
>one is a form of information through genetic code and one is spyware to help you obtain information easier.
you cant compare the 2 in other way
and sperm is not 'germs'
But who created the thing that banged or who accumulated all the energy there? Checkmate atheists.
>>679761427
dark matter the pull force
>>679761399
I was trying to be rude, but hereto fore I am apologizing for calling his dad pos. I humbly beg your forgiveness sir.
>>679744723
Creationism is a theory as well...
>>679761229
I feel like religion is very fear based. You're afraid to die so you embrace the afterlife, and a figure watching over you.
I'm here because I'm here, that's all I know.
I don't know if I believe in a god but I don't fear death.
It's ok to comfort yourself with a god if that makes your life easier, but that belief doesn't make you better than anyone.
>>679761229
That's just what we don't know. There's this tuff called dark energy that makes up 68% of the universe. That's pretty much the only thing we know about it. We think this is what is the cause for the expansion of space time, and maybe the big bang.
This thread put me in a problem. Creationism is not the same shit than big bang theory? Finally, creationism says that god created everything by his own desire, and big bang theory says that a star created everything by her own explotion. Same shit for me, just change funny wishes for boom.
>>679761508
Who created the dark matter?
Did it create itself? Was it always there?
>>679760924
Now you're transcending these idiots arguing conjecture
The moment you realize and accept that pure nothingness cannot produce something you'll stop being a Christian hating cuck....
Because who gives a fuck
>>679761508
Wrong. It's dark energy.
>>679761949
We have no idea. We don't even know what dark energy is.
>>679761929
Not a star. A super hot, super dense point in "space" that has no volume and is infinitely dense called a singularity. It contained everything that we see today. All of it.
>>679762127
So there is a "creator" but he's just not a grandpa with beard who sits in the sky?
>>679761187
So math and cosmology IS your bible then... Got it
Like I said you're both placing faith in your own books dumb ass
>>679761949
its a grey area with many new forming theory's behind it and i don't wanna type that much
>>679741876
I believe something created us, but I don't believe in religion. Anyone know what the hell that is called? I've never known what to call myself.
>>679761589
Were I afraid to die and suffer whatever, eternal nothingness or whatever, i would be a full devote follower of God. But I am not. If I were to die just now, I'd probably be either dead forever, or eternal forever.
My reasoning is a sound one. EVERYTHING was made by SOMEONE SMARTER.
Have you seen a pot of water become peas soup? In reality however, you're of the mind that an empty stove can self create a pot, then the stew, then bake the bread to go with the stew. But of course it's not the same thing. And you're probably of the mind that the information contained in Human DNA is all too different than the information found in Windows 10 C and C++ and assembly code.
>>679761911
You can't go to a man's house, see it completed and then tell me how long it took to build, who the designer was and how much money it cost. To have a say, you'd have to provide, observable, testable, recreate able proof. Anything less is forever more conjecture.
>>679761929
Creationism says everything was made by some one. Atheist says things can self create. Atheist is nonsense because everything we've seen that is purposeful was made by us. But to say Windows 10 could self create is rather dumb, wouldn't you say? And yet something more amazing than windows 10, us and the life around us is here.
>>679762127
may bad dark energy is the pull matter it the push
thanks for the catch.
>>679762379
We don't know. We can't even explain the first moment of the universe because our rules of the universe don't work there.
>>679762420
My "bible" has actual facts and evidence to back it up.
>>679762442
Intelligent design
>>679762545
Technically, I could go to a completed house, look at it, take careful measurements of the dimensions and the material, then use math to guess how long it took and how much it cost. The only thing I can't explain is who created it.
i've experienced enough paranormal things/visions/experiences to know that existing is a very bizarre and awesome thing.
The more knowledge you find and the more pandora boxes opened, the stranger reality becomes.
Way stranger and way too complex for our brains to ever comprehend.
But what a great experience and beautiful thing it all is.
Just know you are a consciousness and the universe understands every bit of you fully.
you are not alone, and this may not be your first life.
We are sons of the exploded stars, we are divine, and we are lucky to have complete freedom of choice.
There are many inanimate objects out there that our energy could have gone too.
We are offspring of something very special.
RIDE ETERNAL SHINEY AND CHROME
>>679753566
this.
>>679762671
yes, fire is hot, and ice is cold. A SINGULARITY APPEARING FROM no where however, and a magical amino acid molecule that self creates then writes dna and finally all life, GOES AGAINST ALL THE SCIENCES.
Atheist, give it up and admit the truth that you're as much of a believer as theist are. Can't you see how dumb your words are?
>I believe in my bible, science and math even though my belief in the big bang and the amino acid of life invalidates my science and math.
You atheist are too much.
>>679748470
>>679762671
Your "bible" has just as much theory and fact as the religious one does fag
Prove me wrong
Protip; you can't
>>679762918
yes, and if you were to give me a long enough tape i could measure the universe, BUT, IT DOES NOT SAY HOW, WHEN AND BY WHAT MEASURE SAID THING WAS CREATED.
And you can't know the cost because you don't know the material use. What if the sand was washed first before it was use for mortar. Where the marble tiles are real marble flown in from italy or imitations. You can assume a few things, but unless you were there when the material were bought, and the corner stones of the property sunk, most of it you will never know, EVER.
>>679760150
Biologically there's not much differentiating us...culturally...even subcultures within cultures...yeah there's a lot.
>>679743128
this real human forgot to remove this totally cool leak
>>679750121
>Theories aren't facts
Ignorance
>>679763365
This concept does not compute with my pro brain power bro...
I'm going to continue to argue circles and not admit that it's the same instead I'm going argue something not in any way related to what you just aid and pretty soon people will forget AAALL about it
>>679741876
Because it doesn't matter in the end if you believe or not ;)
>>679763095
It's not a way of belief. It's a fact. Amino acids and big bangs do not violate anything of mine.
>>679763197
>the entire universe was created in 6 days by a magical omniscient omnipotent man
vs.
>I don't know how or why but a singularity is responsible for everything that exists.
If anything, cosmology has more theory than the bible because the bible treats everything about it as 100% fact.
>>679763365
>yes, and if you were to give me a long enough tape i could measure the universe
Luckily, you don't need a physical object to do that. We can use the shift in the wavelength of light from the most distant objects we can see to get the length of ~90 billion light years. And that's just stuff we can see.
>And you can't know the cost because you don't know the material use
I can tho
>What if the sand was washed first before it was use for mortar. Where the marble tiles are real marble flown in from italy or imitations. You can assume a few things, but unless you were there when the material were bought, and the corner stones of the property sunk, most of it you will never know, EVER.
marble in italy is not chemically identical to marble from India. I could just get a sample of the marble and try to find a match.
>>679763843
>>679763843
Here's the thing though, math can't describe the quantum universe. In truth all it can explain is how impossible the quantum world is. It says a particle can be anywhere and everywhere but its never where you're looking. It also says that when you watch a particle moving through it slit, it'll go through one slit, but when you're not looking, one particle becomes two and goes through both slits. it doesn't know why this happens and can only describe that it can. because your imagination to say how it happens is beyond you because as to why it happens is another form of being that is forever out of reach.
So as much as you'd like to convince these people you know, you don't and the math and science you worship don't know either, nor will they ever know.Unless you're told by Some one smarter than you are.
>>679764519
>Amino acids and big bangs do not violate anything of mine
When talking to some one who is as well read and reasearched as I am, it's in your best interest not to lie. fuck with their brains if you will, but trying that shit on me will only get a proper response worhty of such bullshit.
>>679764519
and for your second part see this here>>679764620
>>679764620
It's called "wave particle duality". The idea that light can be both a particle and wave. We've just accepted that light is both, because it technically is.
>>679759558
And? What's your point? Are we still conflating
"theory" with "hypothesis"?
If no, then your post, while historically
interesting, means nothing to the point at hand.
If yes, then the other post is either autistic or bait, so the previous point stands.
>>679762442
you're an antireligious creationist
>>679764938
my response >>679764620
You're asking the question "why are the laws of physics the way they are?" which is one of the goals of all this research we do. Our best guess is that there are some greater rules that dictate how our rules can work.
>>679764938
As to why you don't know, nor will you ever know. It behaves supernaturally but why that happens you don't know. So if you've just decided to accept it and move on. Jim Al Kihil said of how many physicist even in our day refuses to accept the spooky behavior of particles because to them, ice is cold and fire is hot, and not, ice is cold but can be hot if its made of a different color or if its not being looked at or during a certain time of the day.
>>679765296
That's the realm of quantum physics. We just don't know. Yet.
>>679748624
You're fucking dumb dude. Just accept it.
The reason people still believe dumb bullshit in 2016 is too many people are embarrassed to admit they were wrong.
As the evidence supporting a better explanation for something than the one they accepted as a child mounts, they stubbornly cling to their assbackwards opinion until the cognitive dissonance becomes too hard to maintain. Then they vote for Trump out of spite.
>>679765205
The laws of physics can not give you proof of self creation because self creation is an idea of atheist not reality. Reality was made, not came from nothing just because. and Physics support creation, for energy is never created only transferred. Holy spirit becomes something else. And it fits in the model. Atheist problem is they claim to have an open mind but are so afraid of any mention of being made, they run from the obvious truth. They claim to be unbiased but are anything but.
>>679765536
Nor will you ever know. To know Quantum Physics denotes being able to control the sub atomic, which shall forever remain beyond us. Saying you'll know it one day is like me saying the longer i reach the sky the taller I'll get because I'm constantly reaching. Or if i put my hands closer to flame over time my skin will be tough enough to resist it.
I won't grow taller just because and the closer I get the flame the more certain that i'll get burned.
>>679765910
Nigga atheism just means that I don't believe in god. Theism is the belief in god, and adding the prefix "a" to theism, I've created the word for the belief in no god. It just depends on your definition of god. If the universe was made by a super advanced, super old race of aliens, they would definitely be god like to us, but would they really be god? One thing is for sure: I don't believe in souls, or a heaven for all of god's do gooders, or a hell for all the sinners.
As for the sub atomic, we can definitely control that. Electron microscopes shoot a beam of electrons and then cast a shadow and we use that shadow to see stuff like viruses. We also are building the technology to build quantum computers.
>>679766884
forgot pic
>>679766884
>As for the sub atomic, we can definitely control that. Electron microscopes shoot a beam of electrons and then cast a shadow and we use that shadow to see stuff like viruses. We also are building the technology to build quantum computers.
being able to drive a car or fly a plane does not a maker or fixer of said thing make you.
you push shit around, whoope..still have no power; you can't see a particle when it doesn't want to be seen nor can you see it become two when going through a slit.
so you remain on the outside.
>>679767440
I can't understand what you're saying. How long have you been speaking english
>>679767621
speaking it long enough to know when some one's avoiding the obvious truth. until later.
>>679765078
Right on. Thanks
>>679767801
Then write a coherent sentence.
>>679764519
>the bible treats itself like fact
The bible doesn't treat itself like anything Peter Pan... It's a book
>I don't know how or why but a singularity is responsible for everything that exists
Sigh*** a singularity is a thing.... Therefore by definition the Big Bang did not come from nothing... It came from your thing.... The singularity...
Atheist logic
singularity=nothing+big bang=ok
Religious God=creation= no way
How did you come up with your brave point of view?
>>679768585
I never said the singularity was nothing.
>>679768906
So you concede then? There had to be something
Who are you to tell the Christians the point of singularity isn't their God?
>>679769410
Because the singularity doesn't exist anymore. The singularity stopped being a singularity when it stopped being a point an had actual volume.
>>679769410
>>679767801
>>679767801
Well, it's been fun guys. It's 1:52 AM where I am and I'm dead tired. Goodnight and godbless :^)
