At this point, I have come to the conclusion that you either have to be a sociopath/psychopath or just an unintelligent/uneducated idiot to not vote for Bernie.
No candidate wants to improve this country as much as he does. No candidate has a 40 year track record of fighting for progressive ideals.
Trump is a last ditch effort by bigots in the right wing who understand that their ideas of right and wrong are so backwards and ancient. There is no place in the world of the future for intolerance.
Of course that isn't to say that ALL the republicans think that way. In fact I bet a small minority do, but they have come out in full force this election because of what I previously stated.
And Hillary Clinton is just as bad, if not worse. She's a liar, a thief, a cheat, a manipulator, and an all around bad person. You cannot trust even one shred of what she says. At least you can (for the most part) trust Trump in some sense.
Anyway. I truly want to know why you are not voting for Bernie. Legitimately interested in others viewpoints and in having a (semi) productive conversation about this pretty important topic.
Go to tumblr.
You realize Hillary banged Bill Clinton like a billion times, right?
Pseudo (market) libertarians think they're fucking geniuses and support the closest they can find. They want the conditions of the 1910's back where kids are in factories
>>678435517
Why is this always the default retort. At least be fucking creative with your shit.
>>678435416
>White people don't know poverty
Any chance he ever had of getting my vote (which was small, i'm a gun rights advocate first and foremost) went out the door with that statement.
I'll vote for whomever wins the republican candidacy.
Unless the Republican party dicks over a clear winner (and yes, i'm talking about Trump here) for the sake of placing their own candidate on the podium. In which case, I will vote libertarian since both major parties have gone full retard.
>>678435682
To be honest I'm probably going to be hurt more by bernies tax plan than the majority of his voters.
I'd fuck her.
Could someone explain why Hilary is so popular? We've had years to form our opinions about her, and she's a horrible person.
Also, why isn't she in jail? If that was anyone else who did what she did with the emails they would be in jail.
>>678435814
Didn't know he said that. Just looked it up and that's pretty unfortunate. Especially for someone who is looking to get the vote of the lower and middle class. Thats a damn shame.
Although disappointing its not quite enough to dissuade me from voting for him.
>>678435517
this
>>678435814
I guess what I want to know though is. What is it about republican ideology that attracts you to them so much?
>>678436140
Why?
>>678436036
I went to a caucus (I support bernie fuck you) and absolutely all the people were either essentially voting for her because she's a woman and because she's less radical (which really isn't radical if you see the taxes under Eisenhower)
None of them are good -_-
2 of them are morons and one wants to make America socialist... Gg, good thing i live in Canada c;
>>678436316
>which really isn't radical if you see the taxes under Eisenhower
no, just stupid.
>>678435647
Bills cool. Anyone who almost gets impeached for copping dome in the oval office is an automatic fookin LEGEND. Hillary is a turd.
>>678435533
>>678436007
I'd smash/10
>>678435416
I agree with you there OP.
But it seems that the majority of the voting population is made up of sociopath/psychopaths or unintelligent/uneducated idiots. Mostly the latter. I don't have much hope for you guys down there. Good luck you beautiful basterds
>>678436376
DUDE
>>678436185
Because fuck other people and the environment.
>>678436036
It's impressive that you could type all that while keeping Fox News' cock in your mouth.
>>678436469
What do you want faggot?
>>678436532
>le fox news boogeyman
lel
>>678436392
Lol. Forgot how stupid economic security is, my bad. We're much better off with much greater urban poverty and free-market ideals pushing jobs away
>>678435814
But you're completely taking it of context, and if that's really all you got out of that then talk then maybe you shouldn't be voting. Basing your opinion on a audio clip is fucking stupid
>>678436400
hillary probably also blew him in the Oval Office.
>>678436376
Man I hate the argument that Bernie is socialist. Have you ever read about socialism? Do you know, conceptually as well as practically what socialism is?
>>678435800
No a retort requires an argument. All you've done is repeat baseless accusations against Hilary.
>>678435919
Do you make over 500k? If not you're either untouched or helped.
>>678436764
This.
>>678436702
I can simply provide you with a 13 minute clip of Hillary Clinton's numerous lies.
>>678436683
Yes. The nazis and Soviets were also socialists and I want no part of that.
>>678436764
I make around 200k. Guess how old I am.
>>678436673
So what? Are you suggesting the slutty who gave the gobby is as legend as the guy who received it, because that would mean Monica Lewinsky is also legend
>>678436609
>raising taxes to rates no one will pay somehow relates to economic security
>>678436185
I'm not really a republican tbh.
I'm personally conservative (no drugs, no promiscuity, traditional life and values, etc), but I don't believe in forcing those views on others and i'm a centrist on fiscal and domestic policy (meaning I don't have a hate boner for taxes or social programs).
But the problem is, the left is essentially becoming the new fascist party by trying to force everyone to their ideals or be branded "racist" or "sexist" or w/e.
And as I said, my biggest political concern is gun rights. I will vote outright for any party or candidate who will leave my guns alone.
tl;dr, I don't really identify with either major party, but I dislike the Democrats a lot more.
>>678436643
>Context
I don't need context to understand a stupid fucking statement when I hear it. Bernie also strikes me as a weak old man when he does shit like allow blm protestors to take over his rally and such.
Not to mention his tax plan is waaaay overboard with what I think is okay.
>>678435416
You're spot on. But you know most people on /b/ are fucking tards when it comes to politics. Tards in general tbh.
>>678436683
>bernie
>democratic socialist for 40 years
>40 year track record of fighting for progressive ideals
See, in my book that's a flaw.
>>678435416
Dude who will probably get a lot of shit done but he really hates most minorities.
VS
Dude who will probably get absolutely nothing done but basically wants to try and lay the groundwork for the fuckin United Federation of Planets before we've even managed to put a guy on Mars.
VS
A chick who will be a literal duplicate of the president who came before her.
Look at how other countries that have socialist has theirs... Gg.
If Hillary or trump win I'm moving to flavor town.
>>678435416
Well Trump would be harmless coz his ideas are str8 up impossible to pass. Bernie tho will rushall these things fast and fuck up the budget. And don't even get me started on that bitch, she doesn't have anything to say adn just craves attention on talk shows. I think that Bernie will win tho coz he promises so many great things, and Donald just spews racial slurs.
>>678435814
You can either cherry pick 1 line from what a candidate says and think what Hillary and the establishment want you to think, or take the politician as a whole and look throughout his entire history and ideology.
>>678436643
seriously
every politician is a victim of these, even trump who i do not support whatsoever
but these little bits of what someone said, just a few words taken out of context
anyone who gives them value is fucking retarded
>>678436975
>bernie tard calling anyone else a tard
well meme'd my friend
>>678437045
DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST. NOT SOCIALIST. How fucking retarded can you actually be, proving my point for me.
>>678437071
nigga u high?
>>678436896
Lol. Go back to high school history, fuck.
America has killed millions, quit thinking capitalism is high and mighty (inb4 economic, sociopolitical illiterates mention cronyism)
>>678436903
5000 years!
>>678437063
I'm kind of down for a United Federation of Planets....lets get the Star Trek ball rolling.
>>678435416
When are you libtards going to realize socialism is incredibly unstable and therefore immoral? There has to be caste systems and people do have to kill themselves off by not being able to sustain themselves, the government paying your way through the system just creates a generation of ungrateful shits who expect to be handed everything without having to give anything in return.
>>678435416
Get out you moronic teen
>>678435416
I'm a civil engineer and I feel the bern. Anyone with a decent understanding of orders of magnitude can figure out what he's proposing is completely affordable. I believe in capitalism but I don't think it should extend to health and education, both of which have seen huge improvements due to gov't investment. Rarely does the private sector innovate significantly in either. Especially with the amount of profit they have to work with.
>>678437138
High, what?
>>678437130
>socialist
>means of production is owned by the government
>democratic socialist
>means of production is owned by the workers
lol
>>678435416
Y'know, I'm all for "progressive", but here's the thing:
Have you noticed how bad "progressive" has become? I mean, it's literally eating away our society now.
Just saying, we can't really go too much further on the progressive spectrum without giving up things which made us the USA.
>>678435766
Both of those people sound like incredible retards. Neither of them is a example to look up to
>>678435416
It: op is a useless shit so he wants everyone who goes to college to be a useless shit.
>>678437227
>both of which have seen huge improvements due to gov't investment.
fuckin lol
>>678435416
>At this point, I have come to the conclusion that you either have to be a sociopath/psychopath or just an unintelligent/uneducated idiot to not vote for Bernie.
> tfw Sanders does the exact same thing as every other politician, but his supporters refuse to recognize this
He creates a boogeyman for his supporters to hate. He panders to financially illiterate art majors with a populist message about how "Wall Street is hurting you." He banks on the fact that his supporters don't really understand what an MBS is or what the financial services industry does and makes a bunch of bullshit claims about how Wall Street caused the 2008 financial crisis and his supporters eat it up because they don't know better. He does with the financial services industry what Trump does with Mexicans and Muslims, but somehow it's different when he does it. I'm not voting for Sanders because I know better, plus I don't want my taxes to double. I'd like to go ahead and keep my tax rate below 50%.
>>678436673
>>678436909
Hillary isn't a legend. It was her duty to blow him in the Oval Office. Clearly she wasnt doing something right so bill went to Monica. Then got caught.
Honestly Monica is pretty legendary too...
Who the fuck else has a dynasty like hers.
>>678437238
I thought the means of production owned by the workers was communism, not democratic socialism?
>>678435416
Bernie is a cuckold, I will not elect a weak willed little faggot into the white house. Not in my country, not in my lifetime. Also I am a racist and he wants to keeping feeding Africans which Trump said he would stop, or at least slow.
>>678436376
Lol Canada is a Socialist Country. lmao it rated at one of the Top 10 Socialist Countries XD
>>678436896
Socialism: Democratic control of the government by the workers. The people are the government. A bottom up system of checks and balances. Nothing like communism. In fact, the exact opposite. Niggerfaggot.
>>678437169
I can't go back to high school. The world isn't an Adam sandler movie.
>>678437178
Close.
>>678437396
That's the NDPs...
>>678437328
Yeah lol. You must have no idea. Pharmaceuticals bullshit the cost of R&D by the billions. Most drugs cost the company like 250 mill at most. Not only, half of the drugs they're investing in are largely useless crap for depression or whatever generic symptom you can think of.
>>678437196
>without having to give anything in return
all bernie's programs are paid for by taxes dipshit, not magical blank checks from nowhere. we'd automatically pay into them just by being employed.
inb4 BUT HAVE U SEEN THE PERCENTAGES. yes i have. i will pay a 50% tax if it means i dont have to worry about for-profit health care ever again.
http://www.headlinepolitics.com/denmark-tells-bernie-sanders-stop-lying-country/
http://taxfoundation.org/blog/bernie-sanders-s-financial-transaction-tax-won-t-raise-much-revenue-he-thinks
http://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-explains-why-a-european-financial-transaction-tax-wont-work-2011-9
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/21463-debunking-the-myth-of-socialist-success-in-scandinavia
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1875803387001/the-myth-of-trickle-down-economics/?#sp=show-clips
https://youtu.be/vX3m11pd1Rk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fuk1Oih8ZME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l9B0gLUyz4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EoetIL-MiM
JUST
>>678436909
My point is that I would like to bang Hillary Clinton.
>>678435416
i always knew i was a psychopath!
and every time you guys called me edgy!
>>678436959
>MFW not understanding tax brackets.
>there is no face.
>>678435416
>There is no place in the world of the future for intolerance.
And that's where you lost me.
Fuck off libcuck, I'm not voting for some left wing faggot who will just stand by and let the disgusting plague that is Islam infest the country.
>>678436007
I'd fuck her.....with meat cleaver
>>678437379
I don't believe there is supposed to be any ownership in communism but rather everything is utopian and free
>>678437547
This. Along with better infrastructure, more environmentally friendly cities, and to be honest just overall a more futuristic and positive country. If so I dont mind paying more taxes at all.
>>678437196
When are you going to realize the entire world is run by a small group run by aliens hue.
Seriously bois.
Aliens b real.
We just waiting 4 technology the savior.
Don't waste your time thinking about which of these autistm puppets you would rather direct yoiur h8 towards.
>>678437396
>Lol Canada is a Socialist Country
>lmao
>xd
lurk more you fucking newfag
>>678437545
Real research gets done at the university level paid for by gov't grants. Private sector is based on profit driven results, which leads to pandering garbage.
Go here >>678436326
>>678436962
What about Bernie's tax plan don't you like? And also, all the candidates have said something fucking stupid. The only reason you hear Bernie's louder is because he tends not to say stupid shit.
>>678437671
and I want to make love to Zoe Quinn, what's your point?
>>678437887
Ok.
>>678437480
lol
>>678437715
It's unfortunate that you think that way. But you probably have never left more than 50 miles outside of the village you live in.
I can tell you that the world is a beautiful place with a lot of potential for love and prosperity. But it seems to me that many republicans would rather live in hatred.
>>678437941
>make love
faggot
>>678437941
Are you some kind of stupid idiot? I already said my point.
>>678437609
oh wow a list of hit pieces by known biased, billionaire owned entities.
>>678437609
>what is forced maternity leave
>what is vastly higher rates of quitting or switching companies
>what is vastly higher rates of lawsuits because some guy said 'good morning' to her and she was PMSing so she sues for 'sexual harassment'
>i could list more but you get the idea
>meanwhile men have none of these problems.
there absolutely is a reason women make less than men - they are an higher risk than a similarly educated/skilled man.
>>678436896
Fascist* and Stalinist*
>>678437695
>not understanding tax shelters
>>678436959
I feel like you actually have no clue about Bernie's tax plan.
>>678438036
You're wrong. My family is almost nomadic, we move every year or so.
>>678438125
>not understanding consequences of free-trade
>>678438081
not an argument.
>>678438051
You'll understand one day Virgin.
>>678438073
Your point is invalid, fuck face
>>678436683
>>678437238
>>678438096
That's your label. They called themselves socialists, it's in their name acronyms.
>>678437941
Ewwww. I had never seen a picture of her before, but she looks gross.
>>678438132
I feel like you have no idea about historical tax rates and the avoidance of them by the mega rich
The real reason Hillary is by the far the worst candidate is because she is vowing to keep the country running exactly how it has been running for the past few decades.
Trump supporters, while a little backwards, at least have the capability to see this country is headed in a terrible direction if it continues on the same path.
Bernie is the more level-headed option, and he is opting for massive changes too. Changes that we need.
But Hillary. Hillary wants to continue the legacy of Obama. She's going to make inconsequential, superficial changes to appease the populace, while giving more and more power to corporations under the table. Those that support her simply haven't felt the effects of shit state our country is in. They are either entirely oblivious or entirely lacking in compassion for their fellow citizens.
Though I fucking hate her, it doesn't matter if she gets elected, because more and more people are fed up with this country by the year, and eventually there will be someone who can change us for the better. Hopefully before we become a third world country.
>>678436896
I feel so smart now! I never knew people could be this ignorant?! Oh wait, Truuuuuuump c;
>>678438237
I would totally fuck Hilary's face.
>>678438205
I'll fix it for him:
Because no person has the time to describe the effect the profit motive has on corporations, read Manufacturing Consent
>>678437741
This is correct. In theory at least. But in practice that is impossible. And so the government ends up owning everything, creating the USSR.
>>678435416
I agree with your assessment OP
>>678437108
Jesus christ how old are you. You sound like a 13 year old spewing stuff mommy and daddy are saying through your little child mouth
>>678437063
Citation required for your "hates minorities" comment. Cuz I have followed this election cycle with some enthusiasm and have yet to find a single racist statement he made.
so much cuckery in here.
>>678438263
I know anon, she's my "ugliest girl I would fuck" chick.
>>678438346
Semantics
>>678437790
Only reason I would vote for Hillary is cause one of her cabinet advisors said that she believes thats the US public can now handle the truth about aliens and UFOs and wants to release as many declassified files on Area 51 as possible.
Now, how feasible that is is doubtful, but its kinda cool shes thinking about it.
>>678438036
found the guy whos never been to a bad neighborhood in his life. when youve spent a year not being able to go to the grocery store without fear of being mugged, beaten, or shot, then tell me more about how beautiful and loving the world is.
>>678438301
She would pegg you way before you got a taste of her crusty vag
>>678438241
except that's wrong you fucking retard. democratic socialism is when the 10 workers that work for grandma smith own part of the company she worked towards and invested in the creation of. the definition for democratic socialism in your retarded image is literal free market capitalism meaning no government bailouts or subsidies
>>678437196
A government that provides dignity and a life to it's people? Fucking unheard of. Talk about a drop in workers productivity (even though US productivity has gone up ~20% since 1984) Also, nice facebook tier meme cuck.
>>678438396
With how passionately trump's supporters feel about him, I wouldn't be surprised if they would let him fuck their wives if they got the chance
goddamn trumpcucks
>>678438396
That's what happens in the new, Chinese 4chan.
>>678438304
not an argument.
>>678436856
>>>/tumblr/
>>678438346
-Dead- You're... You're a fucking idiot...
>>678436896
The Nazis were NATIONAL Socialists and the Soviets were communist. If you can't see the difference between that and Democratic Socialism you're just a fucking mong.
Can we just agree that they're all shit?
>>678438396
Love that word huh? Real cucks allow billionaires to be elected to president to further support their own interests and further increase the amount of your money that goes to fighting boogeyman isis characters.
>>678438468
I'm in. whatever it takes.
>>678438241
Nigger do you think I'm going to trust some obscure ass bullshit like this. Since you want to sauce shit, please bring me a works cited, MLA style, with 10 sources on the differences inside of "socialism". I would like it on my desk by tomorrow, or detention.
Fucking faggot.
>>678438534
the similarity is that all of them are anti-private property
>>678438534
Nazis = Fascism
Soviet union = Communist
Now go to bed you faggot.
>>678438522
How can you be this gullible and still be alive?
>>678438480
>Facebook tier
>this thread again
>>678438722
>>678438589
>trump
>muh illegals
>cruz
>muh bible
>bernie
>muh wallstreet
>hillary
>muh evil republicans
>>678438470
You're a fool. "Free Market" is a myth, it always turns to crony capitalism.
ITT: trump fanatics who's extent of the knowledge of socioeconomic politics goes as far as the last dank meme they saw.
>>678438718
Totally, you were trying to see how many gullible people there were... <.<
>>678438346
>i need someone to explicitly say exactly how they feel in direct terms before i can possibly determine anything about them
>trump has never said "i hate mexicans" publicly in front of a camera
shit man, guess you totally got me there
>>678438781
>>678438085
They make less because they tend to go to careers that aren't as financially rewarding (teachers, counselors, etc.) while men tend to go to careers that are more difficult (particularly the majors in college) but more financially rewarding (any kind of engineering for instance). There is no established pay gap within the same job.
>>678438081
It must be so nice to just be able to blame all your problems on billionaires trying to keep you down. It's the exact same thing as when Trump blames Mexicans for employment in the US.
>>678438670
Nazis = national socialist German workers party
Ussr = Union of Soviet socialist republics
>>678438285
This. Higher Republican voter turnout this election vs Democratic voter turnout in 2008 shows that Repubs are more pissed about Obama than they were about Bush.
>>678438480
>socialism
>dignity and life to it's people
>talks about productivity increasing, which is the result of improvements in technology which is the result of capitalism
>facebook meme
>cuck
>coming from the bernout
>>678438497
>>678438589
Looks like i rustled some jimmies. golly gee guys dont get so defensive im sure your not actually letting niggers fuck your women, chill out.
>>678438670
Thats what I've always read and understood, now the history revisionists are out in force.
>>678438642
See but that's why democratic socialism is ideal. Because it is PRIMARILY capitalist and democratic. But, it includes a few more aspects into public ownership.
Local police and firefighters are all "social" policy. And no one has a problem with that. Does that mean our country is socialist? No. So why not add healthcare into the mix?
>>678438928
*than Democrats were about Bush
>>678435416
im leaning tward bernie too but im afraid of us not being able to keep up with russia and china if he gets in. war is a factor.. and bernie just doesn't have what it takes.
the bitch isnt even an option.. 90% of congress wont take her seriously.
>>678438880
Just like the Democratic Republic of North Korea! A true, functioning democracy
More sexy pictures of Hillary Clinton, please.
>>678438453
Semantics refers to particular wording or phrasing. Nuance too.
Learn to english. Then reply with a coherent argument
>>678438824
Nigger this is OP not >>678438346
>>678438880
Sorry i thought you were talking about hitler and shit xD
>>678438973
U.S. is by far the greatest aggressor. Cruz and them already talked about deteriorating relations with Iran. Don't want war? Absolutely don't pick the person declaring they'll commit war crimes
JUST
>>678439036
North Korea is an exceptional country. They're so isolated. Your point is irrelevant and doesn't refute simple facts.
>>678438967
Remeber, there are faggots who want to see all social services, including police and fire departments, to turn private.
Because big guviment is always bad, and theres absolutely no possible negatives to allow a fucking profit driven corporation to run the police and fire departments
>>678438522
Yes personal attacks are usually the response to a direct and logical challenge to your lack of facts and reason
>>678439070
You're playing with the words he uses when you know the exact meaning behind them. Saying whatever shit he can to lure the white far right
>>678438973
I honestly don't think anyone will take her seriously. She's just so fucking out of her league. Just cause she fucked a president doesnt mean she can be one.
Yeah I think Bernie might be weak in terms of military. But being a pretty smart man, and someone who knows his own strengths and weaknesses, I'm hoping he has capable advisors.
>>678439183
I forget, praise be to the leader. Best korerea is trury a praydise
feel some berns pic related
>>678437063
Don't get me wrong we should be pouring shit tons of money into space programs, but don't blame our government for NOT doing that because the technology is still in its baby phase and besides being "on the frontier" there is literally no material return on their investment. Won't be for decades.
>>678439070
just what the fuck do you want for a coherent argument? no, trump has never walked out behind a podium and flatly said "i hate mexicans. women are objects. fuck islam.", but its all fucking there. seriously how do you idiots survive in this world not being able to interpret people whatsoever without an explicit written declaration of their feelings?
>>678438967
>See but that's why democratic socialism is ideal
>production not based around private property is ideal
k
>Local police and firefighters are all "social" policy.
Anyone who cites these as "socialist" know absolutely fucking nothing. These things existed before socialism, and libertarians such as Milton Friedman, Hayek, and the founding fathers all recognized that services which cannot be provided by the market such as utilities and both external and domestic security should be provided by the government.
DRUMPF 2016! SIEG HEIL!
>>678439142
This. We just got out of arguably the dumbest war in the US's history because of a fucking dumbass republican and his VP. How about we focus on making ourselves strong again internally and not send our people to go die for literally nothing.
>>678438880
To be totally honest, the Nazis may have had socialist in their name, but they weren't socialist. The only thing they did even close to socialism/communism was confiscate businesses/property owned by jews. Then again, the reasoning behind this was nationalism (usually a right wing characteristic) instead of doing this as a first step towards a communist/socialist 'utopia.' As long as the wealthy business owner wasn't jewish the government played nice.
>>678439194
That would probably be the end of the United States. A private police force? Fuck that sounds terrifying.
>>678439337
>people are actually dumb enough to think that a new york billionaire businessman is racist
>>678439424
All business and production was nationalized and required approval by the government to operate
>>678439229
>you know the exact meaning behind them
>don't need a reason, you just KNOW
This is what's wrong with the anti Trumps, they assume racial bigotry where there is none, based on a special feeling in their special brains. By the way, economics are quite racist.
Can we not forget that republicans are basically the only party in the world that rejects global warming? Democrats aren't much better to ne fair, but at least they're absurd base doesn't literally reject science accepted by the entire world.
Ffs America must be a nightmare
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>>678439577
If you actually follow what you say in real life, you must be socially retarded.
"no, she never said she doesn't want my dick! I am not leaving her alone"
>>678435416
>At this point, I have come to the conclusion that you either have to be a sociopath/psychopath or just an unintelligent/uneducated idiot to not vote for Bernie.
>
>No candidate wants to improve this country as much as he does. No candidate has a 40 year track record of fighting for progressive ideals.
>
>Trump is a last ditch effort by bigots in the right wing who understand that their ideas of right and wrong are so backwards and ancient. There is no place in the world of the future for intolerance.
>Of course that isn't to say that ALL the republicans think that way. In fact I bet a small minority do, but they have come out in full force this election because of what I previously stated.
>
>And Hillary Clinton is just as bad, if not worse. She's a liar, a thief, a cheat, a manipulator, and an all around bad person. You cannot trust even one shred of what she says. At least you can (for the most part) trust Trump in some sense.
>
>Anyway. I truly want to know why you are not voting for Bernie. Legitimately interested in others viewpoints and in having a (semi) productive conversation about this pretty important topic.
>>678439681
>>678439512
I'm transphobic. I'm not used to that shit, it seems really bizarre. How can people not understand people are going to naturally resist normalizing transvestitism?
>>678435416
Nice b8 man. You can try harder next time though.
Fuck off baiting faggot. Go to/pol/
>>678439315
ehh I think space x is bridging that gap. But i would certainly like to see a great increase in gvt funding for NASA. We only have so much time left on this green planet of ours. Why not begin a true and thorough expansion now? The very basic stages at least.
>>678439731
>>678438836
Can you give me any reason for me to believe that trump is a racist. Ya can't just say cuz he wants to keep out illegals. Illegal immigration key word being ILLEGAL. ya can't say cuz he wants to hold off on allowing thousands of refugees from war torn countries in without a background check. That's just common sense.
I think the American system is so geared towards pure capitalism and corruption that in the end it doesn't really matter who's at the helm... It's all controlled by money imo
>>678439770
>>678439580
Because the rest of the world is wrong. The rest of the world is a bunch of liberal douches.
>>678439836
>>678439337
Why is he racist?
>>678439860
>>678439355
You are so fucking retarded you are making my head hurt. Did I say they were SOCIALIST. No, I said they were a part of social policy. Meaning they are PUBLIC programs. You fucking idiot.
>>678435814
You think gun rights is the most important issue we face?
>>678437128
>you're a retard!
nice comeback
>>678439775
Unless someone can end Citizens United and all similar shit. Don't expect billionaires or those who receive millions in contributions from individuals to end that shit though.
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>>678435416
How's it feel getting ready to vote in your first election? In all seriousness tho, Do you guys still take government classes? Do you know anything about socialism? Take a peak at the national poverty of Best Korea or Venezuela. Socialism didn't work. Period. Now I know your thinking "Bernie is a social democrat, not a democratic socialist." It's just my opinion that a move toward the authoritarian side (yes, feeble old Bernie is the highest authoritarian candidate...) of the political spectrum is a really bad idea. Furthermore you speak of progression and tolerance, but literally in the same message, you call everyone who disagrees with you uneducated psychopaths. When did the democrats become so very closed minded?
>>678439713
>tries to strawman
>presents an attitude that actually gets many guys laid
>calls me social retarded
>posts in an 18+ Malaysian imageboard despite being underage
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>>678439879
i don't know, why dont you fucking ask him
>>678439996
You're a sociopath who needs to go to school.
>>678435416
>At this point, I have come to the conclusion that you either have to be a sociopath/psychopath or just an unintelligent/uneducated idiot to not vote for Trump.
>No candidate wants to improve this country as much as he does. Other candidates have a 40 year track record of fighting for political ideals bought and paid for by Super PAC's.
>Bernie is a last ditch effort by ignorant children in college who believe that their ideas of right and wrong are so fundamentally contradictory to basic economics. There is no place in the world of the future for mistakes of this nature..
Of course that isn't to say that ALL the democrats think that way. In fact I bet a small minority do, but they have come out in full force this election because of what I previously stated.
>And Hillary Clinton is just as bad, if not worse. She's a liar, a thief, a cheat, a manipulator, and an all around bad person. You cannot trust even one shred of what she says. At least you can (for the most part) trust Trump in some sense.
>Anyway. I truly want to know why you are not voting for Trump. Legitimately interested in others viewpoints and in having a (semi) productive conversation about this pretty important topic.
You made some errors OP. I went ahead and fixed them for you. Godbless
>>678439143
I hate Sanders and know he's financially illiterate, but that isn't a very good example of his financial illiteracy. Student loans may not be backed by a tangible asset that can be repoed like mortgages or car loans, but as of 2004 or so they are backed by the US government (who's debt is considered to be the "risk free" asset, the US gov is the single most creditworthy entity on the planet). Some student loans are set up so that if you don't pay your them, the government pays them for you (however, you then owe the government the amount paid). Some don't be are still not dischargable in the event of a bankruptcy. So, almost every debt is able to be discharged if you declare bankruptcy. This means the lender seizes whatever asset backs the debt and your credit score takes a beating, but you no longer owe that money. With student loans you can't do this. If you stop paying them the government will even garnish your wages to make payments on the loan. So student loans are incredibly risk free. They are expensive not because of risk, but because of high demand. Everybody wants to go to college and almost nobody can pay for it outright so the lenders basically have you by the balls. It's the same reason healthcare is expensive in the us - inelastic demand. It's one of the few places in debt where risk/reward doesn't apply.
Oh shit! I just wet-farted...
>>678439890
> And no one has a problem with that
I realize you don't have much of a clue as to what you're talking about, because if so you wouldn't have even brought them up. Police and fire cannot properly be provided by the market and as such there is no problem with the government nationalizing those services and this is a basic tenet of the free market. Education and health care can be provided by the market without government intervention and as such government intervention would be considered socialistic.
>>678437227
>> education and healthcare
>> improvements
Fucking kek
Im a PA my wife teaches College Algebra in high school. I promise you that federally standardized learning assessments and socialized medicine are not "improvements.
>>678439773
He's not, its just the battlecry for all the SJW faggots that have infected b and every other site.
>>678439996
OP here. He may be the furthest authoritarian candidate but its still so fucking far from socialism they dont even deserve to be grouped together. I feel like people think that Bernie is calling for the complete downfall of our capitalist society, when thats not true at all. I believe that what he wants is for those people with insane amounts of wealth to play by the same rules as the rest of the country.
Yes I know I was quite intolerant in what I said but I was heated in the moment. I just have a problem with republicans who willfully accept Trump's violent and bigoted message. I have nothing against republicans in general. In fact I think the only way our society functions is that we are able to bounce off each other, democrats and republicans, because we both have good and bad ideas. But it seems to me that the republicans that are mentioned in the media the most often (and most of those i see on /b/) are those who are quite radical.
Where are the gore fags when you need em? Too many kids in here
>>678439568
Business wasn't nationalized, the original owners still owned the businesses (unless they were jewish of course). The economy was very capitalist with government official and business executives often colluding. It only acted communist if you were jewish, but again, this was spurred by nationalism. The Nazis used socialist rhetoric just to demonize the jews.
>>678440239
Please be troll.
>>678439923
That's what I'm saying.. The machine has too much momentum to stop. Nobody is stopping it because nobody runs it, its all run by the dollar
>>678440614
>I just have a problem with republicans who willfully accept Trump's violent and bigoted message
why the fuck are tumblrites on 4chan?
and youre just as much as a fucking tool for buying into his shit hype. Lets say for a moment that Bernie IS the most ideal candidate with good ideas....how many times in our history has handing the US government loads of money meant anything is handled better? Congress will rip apart any tax increases, and if by some miracle they do pass, you think that's going to go towards free healthcare and education? our corrupt ass legislator will spend it on pork barrel bullshit.
Nice try living in pseudo reality la la liberal land faggot
>>678440508
its hilarious that you think education and health care can be properly provided by the market. look the fuck around you, how good of a job are they doing?
>>678440508
That's why millions of americans are relying on medicade and the affordable care act? Please. I am at a tossup with education but I truly think healthcare would benefit our society as a whole if it were made public. Additionally, my point was that just because one or two or three aspects of your society is public, does not make you a SOCIALIST society.
>>678440614
>people with insane amounts of wealth
>play by the rules
These guys have more power than you or Bernie could possibly imagine. Attacking them will only send them away to other countries, where they will take their billions of dollars. Trump knows, understands, and can negotiate with these people.
>>678439996
>>678440614
Sanders is the LEAST authoritarian and most libertarian candidate.
Trump is the most authoritarian, and his supporters fucking love it.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533
>>678437941
She looks like she would have seriously fucked up BO. If this is your fantasy fuck, you must be one sad ugly mother fucker.
>>678440334
>inelastic demand
Thank you. That's what you get with cheap and plentiful credit.
kek
>>678439229
A black gay conservative libertarian who supports Donald Fucking Trump.
I know about Real racism. Real discrimination. Not this SJW muh triggers bullshit I need a safe place cuz a white man smiled at me and said hello retardation.
I develop my own views by my own research. Not the talking heads or facebook.
Somehow being a "socialist" became trendy. It has nothing to do with Marx. I bet ya don't even know why you hate him.
>>678440837
this
"We're settlers and we approve of these candidates."
>>678440924
Rarely is the question asked, is our children learning?
>>678440598
>Double cheeseburger and a coke
>that'll be $32.50
>would you like fries? only $13.99 more.
mfw i feel the bern
>>678440837
Na I'm not a tumblrite. Ffs the majority of the reason I come to /b/ is for the rekt breads. I just think that theres a difference between enjoying violence on /b/ (much like playing a violent video game), and egging people at your rallys to assault protestors. Yeah I think the protestors are hella annoying and they are doing nothing, but cmon why are you beating them up?
>>678440924
Actually shit head its the governments fault for the incredibly high tuition rate because every loan is approved no matter fucking what so schools just gradually charge whatever the fuck they want. Most americans were quite happy with their healthcare plans until you and every poor faggot came along and completely fucked about 90 million americans premiums. Educate yourself candyass
>>678440798
It could be minimized with a constitutional amendment limiting government spending. In this way the government would have less money to pass around, and when a big business lobbies in congress the congressman can say "sure, but what should I cut?"
>>678441021
You expect anyone to believe your faggot ass?
>>678441110
Wish there was a law that forbade companies from passing on easily payable costs to their customers.
Paying your workers is one of the costs of doing business, suck it up you fucking assholes.
If you want a business that has no costs, no products, and gets you money for doing nothing, start a church.
>>678441110
you shouldnt be buying that shit anyway you fat fuck
>>678441021
To hate a philosopher is childish. I believe his contributions in Capital are very accurate of the capitalist system. I disagree with his "dictatorship of the proletariat" and choose to align myself with Bakunin's beliefs.
>>678435416
you fucking idiot
>>678441301
>communism.
>>678441124
This is the problem, you've seen the jokes he makes about these assholes like "I'll pay your legal fees if you touch them" but you haven't seen the dozens of disclaimers hes made at his rallies, urging his supporters not to touch the protesters, let them protest peacefully outside our private event. Now think about this how many of his policies your bias extends to.
>>678435416
I understand basic economics? If he taxes the upper class unemployment will rise because of them not having enough money to invest in businesses. Therefore no jobs, therefore more people on the benefit, therefore he'll increase taxation on the rich and so on and so forth until america is fucked. Cruz is the only acceptable candidate and even he's a bit of a cunt
>>678440924
there is a case for health care, but education in the US has been getting worse and worse, despite the government funneling in money. And this is not a new phenomenon, this has been a problem since the 50s and has, as I said, been getting worse and worse
>>678441345
Nice man. You made some great points there. Clearly you are a thinker, capable of having intellectually stimulating conversations.
>>678441110
Yea its quite amazing, california is going to feel the bern real soon since they just killed every small business in the state. Also going to force big businesses to cut jobs and up prices.
>>678441376
That isn't communism bud.
Communism would be 'show up to micky-ds warehouse, get paid nothing, get a care package with some cheeseburgers every month instead'.
>>678436643
Fucking Christ, every single time I see a Berniecuck confronted with his racist statement they go full damage control and say "b-b-but context" How does saying no white people can be poor somehow make sense in any way? Provide the full context to show us all how we are idiots and what Bernie is saying is actually true.
>>678435416
>>678436036
>why isn't she in jail?
because she hasn't comitted any crimes dipshit.
I want Bernie, but I really don't get all the Hillary hate. Too many of you faggots are listening to too many fox news and rush dimballs' lies.
>>678435416
No candidate has a lower IQ. No candidate has a poorer understanding of basic economics or simple math.
>>678439143
Ya but it makes no sense when their government loans and not loans by private banks, and all other government loans to business are at -% these days. Why can't a citizen get paid to take a loan like a bank?
I'd like to see anyone argue this man's point about Sanders and the importance of velocity of money.
And this is coming from one of the goons that used to fuck people over on wall street in the '80s. Now he's telling it how it really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9xSVzdUNqo
>>678441316
Keep your shirt comments for yourself. Don't fuck with your grandpa just because you can't afford anything and you still milk joeys cows 40 hours a week so you can buy yourself a snickers I'm LMAOing at your life.
>>678441445
Do you realize just how much wealth the upper class owns? Enough that they can live just as lavishly as they do and still have money to invest.
They're really just hording it. Bill Gates is a great dude, but fucking 70 billion dollars?? No one in their right mind needs all that, but our society is set up in a way that that's okay, and so he says fuck it, which I cannot blame him for.
>>678440614
Exactly. Thanks for being civil. I know you hate trump. I know you hate the republicans portrayed in the media. Your supposed to. Politics are now being reduced to character and personality traits. I think trumps economic plan makes more sense. Stop corporate tax evasion. Give incentives to bring companies back to the U.S. In the era of globalization a country has to play ball with these corporations or they will leave, taking their money and jobs with them. Again just my opinion. We all want the same thing. Just different ideas how to get there. If we could stop identifying with a party and identify with a stance on an issue we would find we are not as polarized as the media manipulates us to be. The next time you have a beer and talk politics challenge everyone to not name a party nor candidate and see if it isn't much more peaceful and productive
>>678437128
>you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiFMts60ZIQ
>>678441316
i rarely do.
but on days where i work my first job 7am-4pm, then my second job 5pm-11pm, and then have to do shit for personal clients until at least 3am, its hard to find time to make a three course fucking meal. when you start working for a living, if you ever do, youll understand
>>678441505
I mean she is the second best candidate but shes still pretty shitty. And she lies a lot.
>>678436896
Congratulations, you made the dumbest post of all times!
>>678440939
>just because one or two or three aspects of your society is public, does not make you a SOCIALIST society.
It isn't about being public, not everything public is socialist. Police, utilities, national defense and fire services are not socialistic, and that is my point. The argument as for whether or not education and health care can be provided properly in a free market devoid of most regulations is another argument all together and while I will not pretend to be competent in the field of health care, I do not believe history and empirical data are on your side when it comes to education
>>678441505
There is quite a lot of factual basis for the arguments against hillary. Enough to make a documentary on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kypl1MYuKDY
>>678441667
It's really not hard to understand.
30 years ago we taxed the rich and had money.
Then several presidents cut those taxes, and now we don't have money.
>>678441680
lost. kek.
>>678441492
Why don't you keep you're shit comments for yourself? Don't fuck with your grandpa just because you can't afford anything and still milk joeys cows 40 hours a week so you can buy yourself a snickers.
I'm LMAOing at your life
>>678441124
trump is like a man from the 40s and basically your a pussy
>>678437609
wow, nice list of un-biased sites.
and you clowns whine about the "liberal media"
>>678441787
You're talking about in the middle of Reagan, 30yrs ago. Try again buddy.
>>678441787
lol faggot
check your timeline again dumbfuck
I'm a pretty loud supporter of the Berninator. But I'm not voting for bernie because I don't live near where I'm registered to vote anymore, and I'm too goddamn lazy to change it.
Fuck yeah, I'm part of the problem.
>>678436896
this is literally 100% of the opposition to Bernie's "Socialism." People just immediately draw parallels to communism, totalitarianism, and fascism without ever bothering to look up what exactly he plans to do. They all spout the same "lol, dumbocrats don't know basic economics or history, idiots" and pretend they're all super original.
There is no definitive argument against Bernie.
>hey guys I'm one of you but I still am not aware that we don't care about being "bigots"
10 years ago /b/ was not politically correct and it still isn't
Please leave and push your shitty political agency elsewhere you faggot shill
>>678440969
More government control = authoritarian (extreme example being communism)
Less government control = libertarian (extreme example being anarchy)
>>678441667
Hoarding it? In something like a bank for instance? That money in banks allows the middle class to take out loans to start new businesses and employ people
>>678441667
>They're really just hording it.
rich people do not hoard money you fucking retard. poor people hoard money, rich people invest it and make more money
>>678438400
When I originally heard about the whole thing with her fucking all the reviewers I figured she would be attractive, because, hey, you generally need to be attractive to convince people to do you favors in return for fucking you.
>>678438457
I would like to see a lot of information about JFK's assassination declassified. Of all the conspiracy theories, that one seems to be the most plausible. I don't really believe in an elaborate conspiracy involving organized crime and large pieces of the government, but I think there's something not quite above board going on there. The House Select Committee on Assassinations said that the findings of the Warren Commission were likely not accurate (though it was what the American public needed to hear). Most damning was that the HSCA found that there was another shooter on the grassy knowll (though they believed that this shooter only fired a single shot, and not one of the two that hit JFK). That's suspect, plus the quick assassination of Lee Harvey Oswald and the fact that six high ranking government officials (I think all FBI, one was William C. Sullivan - the head of domestic spying/intelligence operations I think he was like associate direct/assistant associate director level) slated to give testimony during the HSCA died under suspicious circumstances in the six months before the HSCA.
>>678436962
>I don't need context to understand a stupid fucking statement when I hear it.
Literal autism.
>>678438513
>implying tumblr users aren't shillary supporters
>>678441957
If it makes you feel any better i completely forgot to register and now its too late for the ny primary.
>>678441679
I agree that although I disagree with Trump, his tax plan sounds good. (Even as a billionaire he understands that the top 1% need to be taxed accordingly). My problems with him come from when he talks about banning all muslims from the country, or rounding up mexicans. Not only is that pretty racially motivated, but the logistics that would go into that could very well push our country down a deep hole.
But yes I agree, ultimately we want the same thing.
>>678441787
>it's not hard to understand
Wealth in politics is a complicated field of study so far beyond your comprehensive ability that you shouldn't even be allowed to have an opinion on the matter.
US presidential elections are absolutely ridiculous but this so far is taking the cake.
You do realize it's a democracy right?
Despite presidential orders, the government is setup to have checks and balances.
Whichever horrid candidate ends up in office doesn't equate to a completely changed country. Their policies don't automatically 100% become law.
The US party system is heavily flawed. Voting in a republic isn't democracy and is a waste of ones precious time.
Taxes are going to go up regardless of outcome. US will follow gravity in it's decline into a second-rate nation.
Everyone chill the fuck out and try and enjoy the ride.
>>678441776
>implying I couldn't make a documentary on how your mother is a whore or a documentary on how the world is flat or any other bullshit topic I wanted to make a documentary on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v75wCTMZoSY
>>678437108
Find one racist quote by Donald Trump. Hint,you can't. But you can find true by Bernie Sanders.
>>678441787
>early 1900s
>tax rates 70%
>secretary of treasury complains that rich people aren't paying their taxes due to tax shelters/loopholes
>tax rate lowered to 24%
>government collects more revenue than before
do people not get tax attorneys and tax shelters? if they weren't effective they would not be in business
>>678435416
We have 20 trillion dollars in debt and his policy proposals are estimated to cost $20 trillion over 10 years in addition to our current spending.
We already spend 8% on the interests payments for our national debt (more than we spend on infrastructure and education combined) and have crossed the 100% of GDP mark that practically every economist on the planet advise against a nation allowing their debt to exceed.
If Bernie actually got what he wanted we would have around $50 trillion in debt by 2026, or roughly 300% of our GDP and interest payments on the debt would exceed 20% of our total budget.
I won't vote for Bernie because I understand economics enough to know that what he's proposing is suicidal.
>>678442051
>2010+
>still thinking banks loan money from their depositors holdings
holy fuck people need to learn what the federal reserve does
>>678441852
not an argument.
>>678438457
That just confirms she's a lizard person. They'll use sjw's to shame those who don't accept our lizard overlord
>>678441849
>trump is like a man from the 40s and basically your a pussy
>basically your a pussy
>your a pussy
>your
Me and my family are voting Bernie!
>>678436896
gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8
>>678441849
Yeah I agree he's like a man from the 40s and if we were in the 40s no one would be saying shit. but get your head out of your ass. Its not fucking 1940 its 2016. If you want you can go back then and fight in the most brutal war in human history. since you arent a fucking pussy. faggot.
also
>your
>>678441959
>this is literally 100% of the opposition
as far as economic policy, no it really isn't. just say you're voting for him because you want free healthcare and college and shut the fuck up about the economics of it
>>678442258
you didn't post links to real sites
>>678442093
faggot, it is ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS that he wants to ban and deport. not mexicans, not muslims, not niggers or transexuals or whatever the fuck else you want to pretend it is to push your own narrative. he wants to stop the endless stream of ILLEGAL FUCKING IMMIGRANTS.
>>678442090
yooo NY represent. me too lol.
>>678442292
good
>>678442351
Thanks, it worked a lot better than I thought it would. I figured it would get maybe 2 or 3 replies but I was pleasantly surprised.
>>678442172
OP here again. With all the rhetoric thats been thrown around by the media in the last few months, I honestly forgot this. Kind of gives me hope that whoever comes into office wont completely ruin the country.
>>678442093
>banning all muslims
>for a limited time
>as fbi and homeland security have advised to do
>rounding up mexicans
>deporting illegal aliens translates to rounding up mexicans
k
>>678440969
Links article from a grad student trying to get into political consulting for the democratic party......
>>678442183
No, you definitely couldn't. Pretty much what I expected from someone who responds with middle school humor. Maybe some years after you get your high school diploma this semester you'll learn that sometimes you have to sit down, listen to a boring documentary and let the adults give you some facts.
>>678438513
Kid doesn't even know that tumblerinas (and other regressives) are Hillary supporters.
And this is why democracy is a horrible horrible thing, people. It's uneducated, mentaly disabled people like this that are in majority.
>>678442423
I don't care.
>>678440979
>literal autism
>>678442409
You know that in J.S. Mill's time the conservatives were the ones who supported more government right?
>>678441959
I'm a big fan of bernie, but I think he's allowed too much of the SJW/nigger thought groups into his circle. Can't see its surprising, he was part of the civil rights movement, but doesn't mean I think he should be in bed with a bunch of tumblrina faggots
>>678442555
Oh, I totally could.
>>678442409
not an argument.
>>678442560
And of course you're not part of that majority. No way.
>>678439183
Wow.
The next level of retardation is strong with you, isn't it?
If only you wouldn't be so retarded, that you could understand how full retard you just went.
Why don't you simply kill yourself, kid? :)
>>678442243
this. +/- interest rates and a whole lot of pic related.
>>678442642
lol no
>>678441667
So you think it's ok to forcibly take this money? This is the problem with the left. Anybody who has a lot of money is portrayed as a bad guy for being wealthy. Look at all the money Bill Gates has donated in his lifetime. Increasing payroll and income taxes with the idea of getting more revenue from people at Bill Gates' level will usually just result in hurting the middle class. How about instead of increasing mandatory type taxes we just create new means of generating revenue? How about ending the war on drugs and taxing the purchase of these drugs? Or legalize prostitution and tax it? I'll be honest, I don't really feel like paying over 50% of my income to help poor people. Fuck them, that's not my problem and I don't care.
>>678442672
"what you just posted is complete bullshit" is very much an argument
Reading this thread probably made me a less rational person. Also, I don't think most people are fit to partake in electing our leaders.
>>678442243
I know what the fed does, I also know that the banks still need that fraction of what they lend and need deposits to have it
>>678442672
also not an argument.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOQb7Y5QVO8
lol you fucking racist scum dont even no the beauty of socialism has to offer the people
Lets play devil's advocate here; I feel like one of the best things that could happen to the Democrats would be for Trump to win 4 years. Trump is going to be so goddamn ineffective, the Republican party will just further disolve into nothingness, or finally change into that represents a normal person. Also, having trump in office will solidify a good pro democratic youth against a singular cause, instead of a dozen smaller and less poinient ideas.
Sanders is of course the better option, but in a loss situation, why not ruin trump and the Republicans like they try with obama?
>>678442408
I'm voting for him because I don't think it's ok that if you get bit by a stray cat it could put you in the red $16,000 without insurance (this is a fact, not an exaggeration). I'm voting for him because any politician that wants to educate the public is doing at least one thing right.
Also, yes, it is 100% of the opposition. It's always muh socialism.
>>678442292
Only in the primary. Don't lie to yourself, he won't be an option in the general election.
>people want to fund jamal's urban studies degree and vivian's art degree
>>678442916
>>678442810
not an argument.
>>678442234
>We have 20 trillion dollars in debt and his policy proposals are estimated to cost $20 trillion over 10 years in addition to our current spending.
Funny how many people spew out these numbers (which get progressively bigger and bigger) without ever bothering to ask "so how does he intend to generate revenue to pay for his proposals?"
Bother to think.
>>678442808
I can see your point of view, and I certainly agree that we have to find other means of generating revenue. War on drugs was a huge sham. Also legalizing and taxing pot will generate huge revenue. But there is still a lot of wealth accumulated by the top 1% that don't need it. Truly. I know Bill Gates has donated so much in his lifetime, but at the same time, why oh why does he need 70 billion fucking dollars. I suppose I have a skewed view of it, but it just doesn't quite make sense to me that we shouldn't increase their taxes, when it will not even make a dent in their lives.
>>678443066
good point, you win
>>678443066
>not an argument.
>>678442713
Not in the political literacy.
Otherwise....it depends.
>>678442964
>Also, yes, it is 100% of the opposition
No. It isn't.
>It's always muh socialism.
Probably because he is literally a socialist that does not believe in the private ownership of the means of production
>>678442950
This is a great point. Ultimately Trump might just end up hurting the very people that vote for him. And he's already pushed the GOP into chaos. A presidency could do much much worse.
>>678443119
he couldnt generate the money if he wanted, he would have to print it fron the fed crashing the economy crashing the us creditworthiness
