what would happen if robots replaced 99% of jobs in the world
Post-scarcity would be achieved unless some billionaire class hoarded all the money.
Ideally, the government would provide a huge amount of welfare for all citizens and nobody would ever have to work again.
People would concentrate on their hobbies and we'd enter an artistic and technological renaissance.
Alternatively we get a feudal system where the local lord owns all the money and houses his subjects in shitty housing and gets them to do menial labour for free.
It really depends on how the government acts.
what do you mean, IF? you obviously haven't tried to get a job recently!
>>677792008
>Ideally, the government would provide a huge amount of welfare for all citizens and nobody would ever have to work again.
the only way they could afford that would be to tax the only people with any money - the rich.
any government with a policy of taxing the rich and giving that money to the unemployed isn't going to be in power very long.
>>677792601
If you're a member of the lower classes then maybe this has already happened to you, but here on /b/ we're a higher class of human who do things that aren't easy for robots.
>>677792008
Money?
Meaning anything when people don't have to worry about food shelter and transportation?
LOLOLOLOLOL
The reason why we'll never have anything like food replicators or the ability to magic matter out of thin air and build machines that will get us from a-b faster then ever is because too many people make too much money and have too much power right now.
If something like I said happened every single bit of money they have will be rendered worthless and their power a fiction.
>>677791709
Terminator Salvation. Watch it.
>>677792776
what do you do that a robot can't?
robots can shitpost. google for Andrew Bulhak's Postmodern Essay Generator.
>>677792886
Unless you actually have replicators or whatever, you still need some form of currency, because resources are still limited. You can't have someone just taking all the food, for example.
But the people shouldn't have to work for it, they should just get it as a government handout.
>>677792758
You're not thinking of a 99% unemployment world. In that case, I think any government that hands out money to 99% of the poopulation is going to get into power incredibly easily.
Perhaps you could replace it with a monthly credit system where you get $X to spend every month but no rollover, so people can't just hoard money.
>>677793402
>In that case, I think any government that hands out money to 99% of the poopulation is going to get into power incredibly easily.
you seem to have this idea that governments are democratically elected by a majority of voters.
aren't you a little young to be posting on here?
if the one percent had machines that could do everything for them that the blue collar workers could, they wouldn't need us. why would they bother to give us money to live on?
>>677793402
Not really.
Most of our scarcity problems have to do with using up the items that the wealthy use to create the illusion of wealth and items that have a set amount that is under the control of others.
Technology that can render oil useless tomorrow will never see the light of day because more then a few people use it as a form of power and currency.
Remember, money means nothing. The idea that money means something is far more valuable then the actual money itself.
>>677793962
how many bitcoins do you have, lol
>>677793674
Because the 99% would realize that the memetic systems of control that have been in place for centuries are all bullshit and there would be a long bloody nasty as fuck war.
Well, since they only employ robots...robots they don't build and they people that they hire are NOT part of the 1% and when the mere notion that someone not part of the 1% can become wealthy or in their good graces is revealed to be bullshit..the war would be more like a worldwide man woman and child hunt followed by executions.
>>677791709
Remember how everyone looked in wall-E? Like that.
>>677794370
"... This sucks."
>>677793674
If 99% of people are unemployed and they're not getting enough money to live comfortably, you're going to get a revolution.
>>677793962
I'm under the impression that our scarcity problems come from actual scarcity. We need to grow a lot of food to survive. We need to build more power stations to continue to power our economy.
If I suddenly decided I wanted to build a server farm, what checks and balances are in place to make sure I don't just "acquire" every single ser ver for "sale" in the world, so no-one can get new servers for a week? If there's no concept of money weird shit like that can happen.
>>677791709
wtf is this shit pic anon. that aint even looking like a robot.
>>677791709
Well, we'd have a lot of spare time I'd say.
>>677791709
money would lose its purpose and we would have to find another motivator and another way of living
>>677793962
http://reddit.com/r/im14andthisisdeep
>>677794778
Pretty much this. Everyone would become a government sponsored NEET (or get free education)
>>677792008
/thread
note: once full AI is hit it will be 100%, even our art will be worthless
>>677791709
governments would start handing out money to people for recreational expenses to keep up happiness levels or education would just simply go free.
>>677791709
If it got that far we'd all be discarded like yesturdays fad. Technology is killing the planet so it will (we will) probably have killed itself before then.
>>677795047
Once we have full AI we hopefully become the Culture. That's probably the only society I'd enjoy living in.
>>677795117
Unabomber detected
Not that I disagree.
>>677792601
Ah, one of the prototype rescue robots.
>>677794666
Our scarcity problems are mostly a problem with the way the capitalist system works.
We have to create shit for people to sell, to buy and a form of "universal" currency and keep people busy tired stupid and not thinking about how the world is fucked.
A massive chunk of the things we worry about running out of has to do with superfluous bullshit we do not need AND quickly outdated stuff that's built to be thrown out or replaced.
This is not in any way sustainable.
>>677795117
There are autonomous computers in operation that will outlive your generation and the next five generations after that, it isn't going away any time soon buddy
>>677795107
They better hurry up with that because it's already begun.
>>677795401
Once we have full AI I'm off to a different planet, a single computer will develop an efficient hypersleep machine within seconds surely
>>677791709
More time to
Fap
>>677791709
Less fuckups
>>677795639
Why would you need a stasis system for interplanetary travel? That's one of the worst ways to go about it.
>>677795515
They pretty useless without us right now and probably always will be. Technology needs resources and as long as it remains unsustainable its fate is sealed.
>>677791709
at that point a general ai would have already considered humanity as a danger to the planet and therefore for its existence caonverting everyone into some kind of energy resource.
Massive poverty and hunger. Until a new system for distributing resources not based on labor emerged, millions would die. The divide between rich and poor would grow immense. Wars would be fought over the production of these robots, in which humans would be of very little use, and a single world power would emerge. Eventually a system of totalitarian control and a class system would be put in place, with a godlike 1% and the rest cattle kept for organs and medical research (especially genetic)
I think op is getting at couldnt we all just chill out and be cool in a post labor society, and I think that is naieve
>>677791709
On the lower part of his raised arm.
Is that Trump?
>>677794666
>If 99% of people are unemployed and they're not getting enough money to live comfortably, you're going to get a revolution.
revolutions become possible when there is little or no gap between the weapons owned by the military and the weapons commoners can make in their workshops.
this last happened in 1917.
how many of you can make a crossbow?
how many of you can make an automatic rifle?
how many of you can make one of those microwave emitters that heat the surface of the skin to 80 degrees?
how many of you can make a Liithium-ion-powered quadricopter drone operated by encrypted wifi and armed with latrotoxin darts?
in your garage workshop?
if machines are capable of serving the one percent, they're capable of defending them. all the rich have to do is deny us medical care and then watch us all die at the age of thirty.
>>677795515
We've had the tech to do that for a long fucking time anon.
I'm talking generations.
We have computers that are older then your grandparents that are still running, doing whatever they were designed to do.
You act as if this is a new thing that just started in your lifetime.
>>677796104
>Computers older than your grandparents
Underage B&
Either that or your parents and grandparents had kids at like, 18.
>>677795835
What are the other options?
>>677796039
The technology to create such things exists.
However, the ability to create such things in an amount to be useful and have the entire population under their control and not be subject to a well aimed bullet is a fiction.
The war they wage is a cold one. A long planned extermination and slight lobotomy of those who would understand the gravity of what they are doing and who are easily cowed.
If there is a full and open class warfare and people direct their poor slave class anger out on the wealthy and powerful. There would be precious little they could do to stop it.
There is a reason why a massive chunk of their money goes into entertainment, keeping the slave class busy, entertained, and showing off rich cool men and rich slutty hot bitches and the entire meritocracy lie is kept afloat.
To keep an open full on revolt from occuring.
>>677795912
Implying solar power will go away any time soon
>>677796565
Are you fucking retarded?
>>677796610
Just /travel/ there
Alpha centauri is only a few lightyears away... at 0.999c you could get there in a few months.
>>677791709
Money would have no more meaning and we'd all live in a star trek type utopia
>>677796721
Computers have been around for about 70 years
You must be at least 18, so that means your grandparents were under 52 when you were born
So on average your parents were about 25 when they had you.
My grandparents are older than any computer.
All these replies. Retards who think that money is inseparable from humanity. If robots replaced all the jobs then we'd only work what we wanted and we'd replace our values of greed and corruption for the betterment of mankind.
We'd have no choice unless the world is so far gone by that point that we actually believe the billionaires who say no you can't live that way.
People aren't motivated solely by money and when you remove money they find something else to motivate them.
>>677797430
Without money, how do you stop someone from using up all the resources for themselves?
>>677797430
Basically this. Just because a robot can make a car that doesn't mean people with nothing but time and passion won't just make their own cars.
If every job in the world got paid the same what would you do for a living? Only a minority would actually choose living on their ass, real humans would choose to do wondrous things
>>677797513
War
>>677797513
Because right now money is what's causing that. There wouldn't be any recognized ownership of the earth resources itself.
Although it depends on whose programming and running the robots and societies mindset at the time.
I saw a post earlier about star trek utopia. Who controls the resources there in a world without money?
>>677797889
>A world without money
But that's just not true.
Also you'll always get the Martin Shrekies of the world wanting to fuck shit up for kicks and giggles
New jobs will always be created. As technology advances so hopefully will society or we simply would kill ourselves before we have to worry about unemployment.
By the time we've created robots to work every job and fix and repair themselves I like to imagine humanity would be at a good place where they simply help each other and just follow their passions around the universe.
>>677791709
They already did, you fool. Haven't you noticed how many people's work is to simply implant data in a computer or a robot?
>>677791709
Rich people don't like sharing their money,that's why they're rich. The people that own the robots and the businesses will have all the money. Everyone else will live forever n poverty or live homeless. Robots already exist and are used in manufacturing and the result is companies make more money,people lose jobs.
There will be no no fantasy utopian scenario here.
The world will be hell for most people.
The wealthy are in power and run the government. The government will only do what's in the best interest of the wealthy.
This is how it is, take your heads out of your asses, leave your basements and look around. This is already happening. Star Trek is a fantasy.
Besides people feel better about themselves when they work, we'll all be depressed in addition to homeless.
The world is going to suck very soon.
>>677796682
That would be awesome if we took stuff like that seriously. But we're still oil dependant. I'm all for progress, but I don't think we're really progressing right now as our progress is still offset and some by the destruction it causes.
>>677798287
That's not 99% of jobs in the world though you retard
>>677798209
Wake up. That will only happen when greed doesn't exist, which will never happen.
It's possible for humanity to live in peace and harmony now, we don't need money, it's a device created my powerful people used to remain in power.
You must be in high school.
Good thing.. i Nearly have 400 Bitcoins.. PLUS i own a Building that People Rent. i get 4.7K Monthly from that. And nearly 180k in the Bank, i'll do alright.Pros of being Born Rich.
>>677798818
Hopefully the blister will pop. It's interesting to me that it's basically mind games keeping such a small amount of people in power. There's a sleeping giant they are keeping sedated.
>>677791709
can't think of a good response so:
it isn't going to happen.
from a social pov
from a economic pov
from a political pov
there's no reason for it to ever happen
robot's are going to takeover poorly paid jobs like street cleaning but you don't need to worry about R2D2 becoming the head of mc'donalds
>>677800365
So will they pay the ex street cleaners compensation?