Britfag here.
The EU referendum is only a couple of months away and I'm still undecided what I'm going to vote for. I'm leaning towards voting out but I am not informed enough to decide. So I want all your views, and arguments for and against.
>Implying I will get responses different to hurr durr sandniggers out
But its a good enough reason.
Sand niggers out is good enough reason, never mind the £45million a day fee or the whole over ridden democracy thing
>>677663321
Get out my british brother
Globalisation is bad.
Also Britfag. Doesn't matter which way we vote. The IMF and banks are already doing deals behind the scenes. read the wikileak papers, Our referendum and Greece's financial troubles are just manufactured events to force Germany into playing better with the IMF.
>>677663321
>not informed enough to decide
>decides to vote leave
>>677664409
I said leaning towards, not definitely going to vote for, you fucking retard.
If we go out the IMF will rip us apart. We'll follow Greece.
If we leave the EU, the Tories can scrap the Human Rights Bill.
Considering the track record of the Tories I'm not very comfortable removing safeguards.
The EU needs reform certainly, but in the long run I see it as the best bet for stability/security.
>>677663321
fellow britfag here. Vote to stay or lick my ring.
Britfag too. Leaving presents more economic harm than staying. Not to mention other complications and harm. If not for any other reason think with your pocket in mind
>>677663321
most of our trade is with Eu - and must meet EU regulations. so if we leave they can change regulations, without our consent, or input, and we will still have to change to meet those regulations. oh, and we have to negotiate treaties with eu to trade with them - why should we get better terms? we would also need new treaties with just about all the rest of the world - huge cost, and no reason to think better terms for a smaller economy making a deal. the 45 million a day cost is a lie - we get back most of that as a rebate, and of the rest as a benefit of free trade. if we exit it will cost a shit load more. also, eu protection of the environment and labour laws and human rights - without it we would be shit dumped by the Tories, who are basically robber barons - which is why they want out. Exit will benefit the very rich, and fuck over the middle classes and anyone less fortunate.
>>677664385
read the actual wikileak papers not misquoted or taken out of context and see what they really say - IMF lamenting that it will take a crisis to get the Germans to talk sense - not plotting to make a crisis, but saying they hope the germans see sense soon for Greece's sake.
>>677663321
The EU is the lesser evil, an it's better to try and counterbalance Germany and the IMF, than to be the USA's political puppet while tories rape away whatever rights and welfare we had.
We don't want to be "that" country, and the UK won't be allowed to cherry-pick benefits like Switzerland did. Everything will become "special snowflake" i.e. shitty for us if we leave.
Sure, the EU is not perfect, especially not the current one, but it's much better than the alternative, and people are starting to get red-pilled.
>>677663321
I hope that you succeed at seceding from the EU, then I can watch London to crash and burn as everything gets relocated to mainland EU (most probably to Frankfurt)
The financial sector contributes around 13% to your annual GDP, it will be delightful to see the bong tears
>>677666179
this - true word. vote in
>>677664921
What exactly are you worried about?
>>677663321
Schengen etc. is seriously bad and the EU is controlled by open borders globalist Marxists trying to circumvent democracy and sovereignty.
The rest are interested in winning the support of industry bosses by exploiting the consumer and fucking over non EU exports
Etc etc.
Government is bad unelected government is usually worse.
Get out while you still can
>>677665775
>- without it we would be shit dumped by the Tories, who are basically robber barons - which is why they want out.
Most of the Tories including the pm want to stay in, wtf are you talking about?
Britfag here, voting leave. We pay a shit ton every week like £55 million a day which could be used for NHS and other things instead of them being cut constantly by the cuckservatives. Sovereignty is also big as more and more powers are being given to shit central aka brussels. More border controls obviously
>>677664921
Its this kind of thinking that really pisses me off. If you dont like what the tories do vote for someone else whose agenda IS what you want. You go to the ballot, you cast your vote, your opinion is heard. If we stay in the EU and the EU passes a directive that impinges your right, NOT A SINGLE FUCKING THING YOU MARK ON A BALLOT PAPER IS GOING TO CHANGE IT. Most of our laws originate from the EU. We hace virtually no power to govern ourselves. Its this reason and others im voting out.
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>>677666179
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>>677665775
More proof 4chan is mostly underage bluepilled faggots
There is no hope
>>677666616
It's only a ploy, they are planning a second holocaust of the poor
>>677666645
Muh NHS :D
>>677666505
> the EU is controlled by open borders globalist Marxists
Those famous 'remove state controlled enterprises, liberalise banking, only monetary policy allowed' marxists. You are fucking delusional.
>>677663321
We have a Tory Government who have thus fare fucked the poor, unemployed, & siabled to give tax breaks to the rich. They've tried to make it easier for companies to dismiss workers & make it more expensive for workers to take employers to tribunal to assert their rights.
Our PM's dad, we learn today, used offshore tax havens to generate vast sums of money someof which funded private school education & a Cambridge University degree for his son who has then made attending any University very expensive for anyone else.
We have a Chancellor who has an exceedingly punchable face cut benefits of the poor while his family firm paid the sum total of fuck all on vast profits even though 'we are all in it together'
They're happy to sell off tax payer assets (the banks we bailed out) at a vast loss just to create the illusion of balancing the books & not be a totally retarded economic failure.
They're selling off state assets such as old and to-be-closed prisons (presumably for housing development) to private companies instead of developing them for social housing.
They are introducing the extra 3% stamp duty on 2nd homes (presumably to curb the growth of BTL) but the problem is those who are rich enough to set up a company and buy t10+ houses at once don't have to pay the extrea. Landlords will no longer be allowed to claim tax relief at the higher rate (unless they are a company of course). Oh - the companies that only the very wealthy can set up - they don't have to pay capital gains tax when they dispose of the assets.
Everything this Govt. does is to benefit the rich & fuck the poor. But remember, we are all in it together.
At the moment we have some decent protection in the form of employment rights - the Tories would be right on them if we voted leave.
EU wanted to introduce the financial transaction tax - Britain opposed it - we can't piss offthe bankers can we (but fuck the poor)
Tories are cunts & Cameron Fucks dead pigs.
Vote Remain.
>>677666018
That's not the way I read them, they sounded pretty gleeful that events are playing out the way they are. It's not a accident that the referendum and default will fall at the same time.
>>677666505
>What exactly are you worried about?
uh, the Tory party? Thugs in slick suits, would have everyone working an 80 hour week (like junior doctors) for zero wages. Also, torture, indefinite detention, extradition without due process, denial of human rights generally.
I'm living in the UK for a few years before moving back home, so I'll be voting for the option that doesn't tank the value of the GBP.
>>677666616
most of the ut people are tories, or UKIP, which is tory without brains.
>>677666732
....if we had a PR electoral system, that would be true. But we don't. The tories got in with a electoral turnout below 50%, so they have no mandate. Moreover, the system is rigged to favour the two big parties, regardless of the wishes of the people.
>>677667156
Good boy points?
You can make your own human right bill and/or add it to your constitution like any intelligent country. Euro is bad for Germany/France and UK, it was made in order to globalize Europe because they thought that if we're all linked by some shitty contract and complex economic relations, we'd be less prone to go into WW3. But that is not how it works. It is simply making the national identity stronger and leaders are scared. Leave this shit and show the way to other EU countries. Show them that the EU is not the only thing preventing you from total war/chaos.
>>677666917
This
Britfag here, look at the lisbon treaty for all you people stating about the trade benefits of the EU. This treaty has the same benefits and was signed outside the EU.
>>677666732
15% of our laws are EU origin, and pass through a parliament we help to elect, and we can opt out, if there is good reason to do so - so, no you are just wrong.
>>677663321
Well, if you stay in then you have to deal with sandniggers and reduced sovreignty. On the other hand, if you leave then Britain becomes much less influential in European affairs. You have the advantage of Britain still being quite relevant if it leaves, though. Countries like Austria and Portugal can't really say the same
>>677665775
The EU is good for big business. They want to stay in. If big businesses want in that should ring alarm bells for you.
>>677666917
You sound a 17 year old female Guardian feminista
>>677666775
sorry mate, I am over 50, and own a small manufacturing company - I know this stuff is true. Eu regs do not hold my business back
UK invasion in case of brexit.
>are you in eubros?
Best way to get the kippers et all to vote to remain is to remind them of all the limits on duty free fags and booze that will come back into force when we leave.
u wot u wot? I can only bring back 200 benson and hedges? You fuckin takin this piss mate?
>>677666505
You've got the tin foil hat wrapped way too tight. I'm afraid we'll have to amputate the dead, oxygen starved tissue that used to be your brain
>>677667387
We could. But we didn.t
It was one of those nasty laws the EU forced on us.
Call me a sissy if you like but I quite like having the right not to be worked to death by my employer.
>>677667826
What makes you think America wouldn't defend its biggest aircraft carrier?
>>677666961
If they were plotting a crisis, they wouldn't leave that much of a paper trail about it. If the Nazis taught the world anything, it's that you don't keep superb records of your crimes, because they will come back to bite you hard on the ass.
>>677667059
'Anyone who disagrees with me hates the poor and wants to torture people'
Meh they would do some of that maybe since they don't like terrorists
>>677666961
actually, it is an accident - unless you think Cameron set the referendum date to coincide with the time that the greek deal runs out - and try reading them again with a frustrated pleading tone instead of a gleeful one - the words are clearly not plotting. if they were they would say "lets do this ... or this.. to make the event happen" not be saying "I hope for the greeks sake that this is resolved before a crisis happens"
>>677667488
I sat and watched this fucking debate on the daily politics about a fortnight since with both the leave campaign and remain campaign using the same data to prove the true value was 15%/85%. You can prove anything with statistics. Also EU treaties and directives ARE ENFORCABLE and therefore no, the uk has no power to pick and chose what we do/dont want.
>>677667819
Red pill faggots are all children or trust fund babies who have never actually worked, and think asking their parents for money is running a business. I've never met one that's actually built a business, and if they were running an actual one, it was one they were given after it was setup and established by a more sane, liberal creator.
>>677663321
M8, instead of asking opinions of retards, go search by yourself. If you don't want to do it, it just means you are a fucking sheep waiting to be to guided...
>>677663321
>all these Pro EU shills
Those in power typically don't want to upset the applecart. It is the political elite who want to stay in as it maintains the status quo.
Corporate interests and a band of bureaucratic, unaccountable faceless political classes only seek to maintain control.
Ordinary working people are those who lose by staying.
Vote leave chaps.
Vote leave and take back control of our nations destiny.
Remaining will lead us down the inexorable path to being but a part of a nation called Europe.
Vote leave and secure your democracy and show an outward looking positive outlook. There is a larger world out there than the EU.
The EU will always want to trade and access to British markets. Be positive and confident of the path we strike with the rest of the world.
anyone know the name of the french film where a woman squezes her breast and the milk squirts in a boys mouth ? something with "and the moon" in the title
>>677667785
And no doubt you are the type of stupid moron that needs saving from himself (but the Tories love).
wah wah wah the immigrants are making us poor. No. The fucking immgrants are not making us poor. The rich being fat greedy shits and not paying their way is making us poor.
But let me guess - you to vote for Farage? Private school education former city trader. A real make of the people
You've fallen for the divide and conquer tactic. The right couldn't stay in power unless they convinced the poor to blame each other.
Teddy Boys, Mods, Rockers, Punks, Blacks, The Irish, Druggies, Single Mothers, Football Hooligans, Muslims.
Always needs to be a target of hate to divice the workers. Stop the rebelling and seeing the truth.
I mean, for fucks sale, we have Starbucks who paid less tax in ten fucking years than a single one of their full time eployees paid in 1 week.
But we hate the people that nicked Basmati rice from Tesco and rejoice at the 2000 years combined sentences that were handed down to London rioters. How many bankers went to prison?.
>>677668237
actually, the European Convention on Human rights was written by British politicians. including the setting up the court - read your history.
>>677668086
>Schengen is bad
Obviously, unless you want Somali rapists
>open borders
They want this
>globalist
Yes they want this too
>Marxist
Some of them more than others, but on the whole Europe is shit
>circumvent democracy
Why wouldn't they want this? And yes they do btw
>others are lobbied to fuck over consumers and outside EU exports
This is why tarrifs were invented
'anyone who who thinks politicians aren't selfless angels is a lunatic'
>>677667819
Engineering fag here and can say eu directives virtually govern everything before its declared fit to leave the door.
>>677663321
the uniformed will vote for out, the informed will vote to stay. simple.
>>677663321
You should vote to stay in the EU as you are a important part of it and it's good for both parts.
>>677669039
Spanish
Tit and the Moon
>>677667826
>dis delusion
>>677669078
That is completely at odds with the vote leave assertion we have no say.
Also, we still did not have the rights given to us by our own Parliament.
>>677663321
>>677668673
well i set mine up in my garage, in my spare time, while working a full time job, and after three years used my own money to quit the day job and go for it myself - and now employ six people and have unit on the local indstrial estate, turning over about half a million a year, mostly EU export. so, fuck off with your untrue stereotypes
>>677669288
Thank you very much
>>677669061
>people are poor because they need more free shit
Oh God it's one of you people
>we should stop blaming 'each other'
Stop giving in to xenophobia!
Give in to greed and envy instead!
>companies need to pay more tax
Because muh fatcats
And because I hate wage earners and consumers
>hey look a rich person haha what a rich person haha he must hate the poor
Kill yourself
>>677663321
Please vote out. Give Britain the power to shape its own destiny and stay great.
The EU is only interested in forming a superstate, with its own laws and ideals that are not compatible with national identity and are actively seeking to undermine national sovereignty. You will never have a truly democratic say in a Europen Union.
If you care about freedom and your country vote OUT. This is a really important referendum, and maybe out only chance to escape.
>>677664921
>>677663321
If the Brits vote out, the Scots vote out and join the EU.
Vote out for the lollz of the ukippers getting what they think they want
Vote in if you have a job and enjoy the benefits the EU has brought us - paid holiday, paternity leave, working time directive etc.
Yeah the government could totally keep all that but they would get rid of us much as possible or push shit like "there is no minimum holiday allowance" so its your employer's who look bad/take the brunt of the fall out when you're working seven days a week
>>677669494
sorry english sentence full meaningful you can?
Voting out will lead the UK to ruin and a lot of administrative shit.
But it will allow the rest of the union to finally do some shit without the UK pissing off everyone and braging for shit.
So vote out plz, for the good of the union.
>>677669729
That would be fun to see
>>677668860
>>677669588
No probs. You were virtually there anyway! Wiki actually says it was a Spanish/French productio.n I remember watching this on Channel 4 must be near 20 years ago. It was... unusual
Amerifat here. Is the only reason there is to stay is because trade is cheaper? Because that isnt much of a reason
>>677669122
yes, and that does nt hold my business back. and they will continue to be in power over us if we want to make anything that is sold in EU, whether we are in or out - so better be in, and have a say in regs, than out and see things changed at whim, to protect eu manufacturing and stop us from exporting - see USA use of the Lacey act for a good example.
>>677663321
Wow so much stupid in here.
The EU more like EPOO are denying our freedom as GREAT Britain!!!! Weve been over run by FOREIGN ppl like SAUDIS and CHINESE. Y would u stay??? By leaving EPOO we save BRITISH live!!!! The churches Will come back and the MOSKS will go!!!
Churchill is spinning in his grave he once said to keep OUT THE MUSLIM.
>>677669979
>thinking anyone cares about a 17 year olds angsty, misguided position which was given to him by ill informed peers.
>>677666917
Fuck the poor.
Put them down like rabid dogs.
Theres a reason theyre in the gutter.
>>677669729
They may wear skirts and no underwear even though the thorns are waist high but the Scots ain't stupid. If the result comes back Leave on 23 June there will be another Independence referrendum by 23 June 2017. Sturgeon is itching for a reason to call another vote but she knows she doesn't have the support for a yes (or at least not convincing enough support to be confident enough for a Yes answer).but a Leave vote and Independence will happen.
>>677670653
You had a clear opportunity to use mudslime instead of Muslim and you let it slide
9/10
>>677670285
well, if half your economy is in trade with EU, then, yes it is. also, better protection of environment, workers rights, and freedom of movement in europe - also free medical care in Europe, pensioners (millions of them from UK) living in Europe, millions of UK citizens working in Europe - lots of good reasons.
>>677663321
I am a Polishfag living in UK and don't want Poles here because I left my country to escape them. Now they are fucking everywhere.
>>677670653
XD XD XD
People who don't want Muslims are stoopid haha
>>677670701
Hey look another leftist
>this is what leftists actually think right wing people actually think
>>677671057
So leaving would shut off a lot of benefits? Sounds like staying is the better option
>>677671057
This guy knows...
>>677670653
ah, Saudis have nothing to do with EU, nor do the Chinese - they are friends of the tory party who have sold out our industry and land to them
>>677670856
Nah, scot women like being raped by british. That's why more than 50% voted to stick with Brits.
>>677669606
I like this guy.
>>677668247
You mean Japan?
>>677671238
Yep!!!! Make GRATE BRITAIN GREAT AGAIN. Ban the berka i say,blooody sandal wearing MUSLIMS.
>>677670285
WE get a lot of other benefits too such as employment rights - wet dream level of employment rights for some American workers. We used to get 20 days paid annual leave but Around 2007 a nasty Eu rule said that we have to get paid for even more days of annual leave.
We can not be forced to work more than an average of 48 hours a week (I think over a 13 week period) - EU Working Time Directive
There are things like consumer protection rights that extend 12 month warranties on electrical products to an unspecified length of time but one that you could reasonably excpect the product to last.
We also have environmental protection laws to stop us raping the ocean of life or allowing heavy instry to continue pumping shite into the air/rivers/seas.
>>677670678
Implied " if the UK vote out "
dont fool yourself m8. your american overlords never will allow it. having a dude that used to fuck pig skulks as a PM wont help either. your days of greatness are long gone
>>677671238
I mean what i said and i said what i mean about the poor.
Theyre scum and will never be anything better.
>>677671314
O u think that wow u r brainwashed by them too lol thata ok just dnt look at me when ur church is a mosk ur post office a CHINESE temple and u can't even drink a beer cos its against other ppl
>>677671238
Yeah stupid because i dont want violent sand niggers bringing my quality of life down.
>>677671255
yes. much better. You want to go to spain or croatia or greece for a holiday - want to pay for a visa? want to work in France or Germany - want to need a special visa and need special qualifications to get a job? no? vote in.
>>677671057
>muh workers rights
Way to fuck over the English language.
'workers rights' lead to alternative benefits but lower pay. Without giving the worker a choice the way a competitive free economy would
>freedom of movement
Muh open borders
Muh people are all the same and shit
Refugees welcome.
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Control of borders is a good thing prove me wrong fag
>free medical care
Implying I want to go to France and steal from French people
>>677671490
Does that work week count towards contracted workers?
>>677671364
Yeah, like 51%, because Scotland would have to go through the same ordeal that the Brits will have to if they leave.
>>677670302
I can see your point. And I can see why in your position it would make more sense to stay for your business.
I can only say that personally the things that we have to give up in order to maintain the status quo with the eu simply isnt worth what we get back.
I think if the uk voted leave, it would trigger referendums in many other member states.
Ideally I'd like to see a European republic where each member does its own thing but has a loose alliance with everyone else, not a giant shit factory like it is at the moment.
The individual cultures that have existed for thousands of years are being slowly but surely extinguished to satiate the marxist agenda of the political leaders.
>>677671926
Yes it does, because the same laws apply to contracted workers, except when they are self employed and work on a contract, then they can work how many or few hours they like.
Britfag here. I was originally pretty set on voting out but having taken a good look at the imports/exports with Europe and the realistic abilities we'll have to reform trade agreements globally after leave, we will be well and truly fucked if we leave.
People keep saying we pay a ridiculously high amount to be a part of the EU (which is true), but we'll end up paying more in increased trade costs if we leave.
Not to mention, if we do leave, the breakdown of the EU is likely going to be very much accelerated. When it falls apart shortly after, we will NOT be joining our yankee friends in a blissful state, we will be sucked into the mess that is the wreckage of a failed european economic group.
If you think the mudslimes are a problem now, you really need to open your eyes. If we leave, things are going to get a whole lot worse for everyone.
>>677671852
We live on an island you fucking dismal spastic, our borders aren't open. We have freedom of movement, they are two different things.
>>677671803
I don't have a church - and i dont care if idiots waste time in them or mosques - and i seriouly doubt the communist 90% atheist chinese will build temples - they are too busy building the new powerstations and railway tracks the torys sold them, knowing they can bump up the price once we cannot make our own steel anymore. as for the beer, seriously, either you have drunk too much or you need medication...
>>677671490
>forced to work more than 48 hours
Or get a job somewhere else fag.
Reminder that fewer hours is lower pay.
Find a contract that works for you
>consumer protection rights
Without the EU you would get poison in ur saurkraut and do nothing about it!!
>>677672413
Not bad. Im salaried here in the states and some weeks im working close to 60 hours six days a week
>>677672315
What the fuck is Marxist about the EU? It's every bit as liberal and lobby driven as the countries that are part of it.
>>677672476
Neither are good
>>677672561
The flaw in the one man one vote ideal is that people like you who are still wet behind the ears and haven't lived in the real world this its that simple.
>>677672315
>The individual cultures that have existed for thousands of years are being slowly but surely extinguished to satiate the marxist agenda of the political leaders.
Nonsense. Even the most ardent federalists are just that: FEDERALISTS - Key being the maintenance of a balance between the centre and the periphery.
>>677673087
Wow good argument xD
Well I think socialist is lunatic college student who understands nothing xD
This is so fun
>>677671852
This is certainly true about workers rights.
Most retailers said the only way they could cope with the introduction of the minimum living wage was by cutting jobs.
So yes, if you kept your job you got paid more, but your wage was being made up by someone else getting the can and you were working harder because you were doing your job and part of someone elses. DUH
>>677663321
UK is not asking for a better EU but for special treatment.
If you people don't like it then get out of the EU, leave the rest of Europe alone and try to make your country a better place following your own way.
No bad blood if you leave. We still cool. We understand. EU has some fucked up things.
>>677667819
>over 50
>browses 4chan
What a pathetic life you have
>>677672315
What do we give up exactly?
Do we not benefit from inclusion in the EU as pointed out by many other anons already.
Leaving would trigger other referendums in other EU states? Why are so many non EU countries vying for inclusion then?
>>677672562
Well even as an employee, you are still able to work more, but if you do that, your employer can tell you to go home, either because he can't pay you, for example, or because he fears for your health.
In crunch time most people I know work 55 to 60 hours a week, but they then take the time they worked more and get paid leave in a 1:1 ratio.
>>677671852
>workers rights' lead to alternative benefits but lower pay.
Not true. Your free market leads to zero pay and long work hours,
>>freedom of movement
>Muh open borders
>Muh people are all the same and shit
>Refugees welcome.
>-
>Control of borders is a good thing prove me wrong fag
go to any country in europe. Without need for a visa, without need to show your passport every ten minutes - get a job, dont need special visa or papers. travel and see what you like - and trade with people, anywhere,
you are wrong.
>>free medical care
>Implying I want to go to France and steal from French people
not stealing - reciprocal arrangement with NHS here.
sorry, you sound like someone who thinks that free markets work and are efficient - try readin Adam Smith sometime - see what he thought . We do not have a free market, and the market is horribly inefficient and always inclined to minimising pay and maximising working hours and lessening any benefit to the workers. I say this as an employer and manufacturer who pays the lving wage and struggles to make a decent wage for himself. If i was a tory cunt I would screw the workers down to minimum, put them on zero hours contracts to lay them off for a week or a few hours if i didn't have work for them and take Tax credits as a wee bonus for my business.
I think a large part of the British public are deluding themselves and it all comes down to 'Great Britain'.
Now don't get me wrong, I love my country, but we WERE Great Britain. Today, not so much. I don't mean that in the sense of immigrants etc. I mean we literally don't do anything. We don't build or produce anything, we don't offer any substantial resources. The only area we can claim to be a world leader in is financial services and even then, there are other countries with just as much capabilities as us and it makes up nowhere near enough of our GDP to be a major contributing factor to our relative power.
All these people want to leave and make Britain great again. You are aware that the ones who even keep our country afloat anymore are the foreign investors and second/third generation immigrants, right? Jobs at the top being taken by second generation immigrants and jobs down the bottom being done by the ones who moved in last week. Without them, we're fucked.
Without the trade agreements the EU comes with, we're fucked. Essentially, though you may think we're still 'Great', we DO need the EU much more than it needs us.
>>677673404
>thinking Victorian work hoses are a good thing
>>677663321
OP...here's my view as an immigrant in the UK living here since 2007. Even though I do have a citizenship now I'm not going to vote strictly because I feel this is a decision for you guys to make.
So here's my case to stay strictly on an economic basis.
The UK, although hard to swallow especially by English people, is not what it used to be. In fact, whether we like it or not, since the EEA was created Europe itself has become extremely codependent financially. If the UK exits the EU the economic implications alone would be far greater than any of the news outlets care to admit.
Over the first 3-5 years after the exit ALL EU companies will leave the UK simply because it barely makes sense to be there as it is. Why would they stay and pay even more money with the extra taxation and trade tariffs for non EU members when they can move their business to newer member states where taxation is a lot lower, no extra charges as they are in the EU and the labour costs are 20% of what they have to pay in the UK?
This means by my basic calculations:
1. well over 1 million newly unemployed people.
2. Less tax being paid to the state with all those companies gone.
3. No one in the EEA would be very open to trade with the UK due to their new very shitty reputation of backing out of commitments without any regards to anyone but themselves
4. No more immigrants. But considering that between 30% and 40% of the skilled and highly skilled workforce in the UK is made up of immigrants, are you sure that's a good idea?
I think this would lead the UK into an economic depression which mould take well over 20 years to recover from.
But not to say that stay or this will happen. Simply put the amount of money the UK makes out of the EU vastly overtakes the so called 45m you have to pay
>>677668673
As opposed to leftists who write amazing West End plays and totally pay back their student loans with ease and totally don't work at Starbucks haha
>>677663321
your vote won't matter anyway, OP. probably the majority will vote in. here's your choice: add a titsi tiny bit to the in vote or a tisty tiny bit to the no vote. and isn't in/out 51:49% better than 52:48%?
>>677673945
Referring to point 3, not only will it reduce trade with EEA members, it will also make trade more expensive with India, China, US and pretty much all other major trading partners since we will have to renegotiate trade terms and frankly, we won't have the power to be making demands to secure as good rates as the EU has already got.
>>677663321
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDyLKh5aKdg
Vote Out: Migrants are one thing, any fucker who thinks leaving is the UK taking a step into the dark, they need to watch Nigel Farage at the EU parliment on YouTube some more...
>>677673404
yeah, and the retailers lied. Look at Tesco - biggest benefit scrounger in the UK - pays shit wages so people have to take tax credits, and then Banks half a billion in profits a year. If low wage earners are paid a living wage they spend that money in the local economy - boosting local incomes for shops...
>>677673607
You do realise that we are one of only 4 countries that are net contributors to the eu right? And there are 28 members?
You ever been to central europe, in some of the poorest countries who have better roads then us and wonder who paid for it all?
There are a shit load of countries trying to join because you get in and its the fucking gravy train for there on out, with countries like ours pouring money into them.
>>677673643
Companies compete for workers
Hence you are wrong and you need to rethink your system
>read Adam Smith
Hey look I'll tell him to read something hence subtly implying I am well read and he isn't
I already read him fag
>rants about Tories
More shit I don't care about
Also: everyone hates the poor except me lol
>>677673507
under fifty, browses 4chan, what a pathetic life you have...
or exciting and interesting and stimulating discussions...
>>677668247
Yeah I have no clue who the fuck thinks it would be a wise idea to attack Britain. America would blast them away with everything they got.
>>677674641
Youre welcome
>>677674395
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o9OMTTCD20
>>677674395
no one needs to watch Farage - we already know he is a wanker
>>677663321
I'm not sure. I support the complete dissolution of the EU, so a part of me wants to leave purely to fuck it all up. But at the same time, I know leaving would give the Tories complete power to fuck everything here up even more. And it would also mean I'd be on the side of the Britain First lot who are the even more mentally retarded British equivalent of Trump supporters, and that thought doesn't sit right with me. So I'm not sure what the lesser of two evils is.
>>677674429
You do realise it came into force 3 days ago right? . . . .
Get out while you can.
>>677674552
>Hey look I'll tell him to read something hence subtly implying I am well read and he isn't
>I already read him fag
so you nderstand that a free market is a small market in which all parties know each other, and know about all the market forces, and are all small businesses (no compnaies, no share holder businesses - these distort the market and Smith thought they were bad)
so we dont have a free market. also many goods cannot be traded freely - especially if you do not have easy freedom of movement and freedom of employment. so your free market crap is - well just crap.
>ITT:
Rational anon's debating economic outcomes dependent on Britain's choices who will end up voting to stay.
Anon's not quite smart enough to fully understand the economics arguments and making this all about refugees, brown people and wars. These people will vote out and throw the UK and Europe into a big steaming pile of shit for the next 10 years. (PS; you can kiss goodbye to the admittedly very unlikely scenario of Greece every paying back it's debts if the UK leaves. First order of the day will be to wipe that slate clean and start over)
>>677675102
Don't need to focus on Farage, watch the EU presidents who control what happens. You hating Farage should not prevent you from seeing they are not thining in the UK's best interests.
>>677675153
So basically you're a teenage Antifa faggot
>>677674511
That is BS, if you drive from Germany to Poland or the Tschec Republic you will quickly notice a difference. Even Italy has worse roads than BENELUX, Austria, Germany and France, but the main reason why those central countries need such good roads is, because of the truck traffic that day by day cruised through the counties.
>>677675154
yes.
>>677663321
The EU might have been a good idea, when it was an idea. Its realization how ever was poorly. Countries and their governments are far from united, Europe it self is far from it, which pretty much beats the entire idea behind the EU. I Voted to join, now I regret it, things went bad to worse. But in the end it doesn't matter what you do, won't change a thing. Just like in my country it doesn't matter who you vote in the end, they'll all do the same. We will get poorer and a couple will get richer.
To be fair, I don't even understand why people still work for minimal wager, what can you afford with it? Nothing, just to leave a few years maybe decade more in misery. Yet even if so, people continue to go down the same road over and over again.
We need something to break this chains, global war, plague, by now I take what I get. For what is there left in the end but Death
>>677675609
ok. i shall watch, always open to new knowledge.
>>677668552
All laws are trade laws. Civil rights are common laws. EU sets no common law statutes, only human rights and trade laws. They pass thousands of laws about the definition of a jaffa cake or the safety level of polyethylene compounds.
ie: shit that never affects you unless you are running a multinationally trading business.
So please, save that "makin our lawz" argument, because it's BS.
>>677672772
I dont actually mean on the road to implement communism. I mean they proliferate open border policies because migrants will invariably vote for left wing parties and therefore they are ensuring their own success by doctoring the electorate in their favour.
When I was 11 the labour government at the time kicked out 23 residents of a local elderly home in my town to turn into a 'refugee' centre. Each 'refugee' was given a leather jacket, a mobile phone the government topped up so they could call home and a leaflet that said 'vote labour' on it.
If you think politicians want anything other to remain on their 6 figure salaries you are sadly mistaken. Most would suck off a donkey to remain in parliament for another 4 years.
>>677675979
Muwahahahahah
>>677676170
lol. Someone who knows what's up. Bro, I think you're too intelligent to be posting in this thread, I'm sure you can find something better to do with your time.
>>677665775
Except a shit ton of trade is done according to World Trade Organisation rules. Right now our free trade deals done via the EU are tailored to fit all 28 member-states; all their different economic visions, specialities and desires. If we left we can negotiate new deals that fit much better with our own economy and specialities, rather than having to share the table with the EU, who rather dislike our biggest industries, the finance and services industries (which they refer to as the "Anglo-Saxon model").
We actually sell surprisingly little to the EU; we buy more items, such as German cars and mechanical goods. Why would they make it difficult to sell us stuff?
And we don't get that back as a rebate. The EU pools our contributions in with the rest of the budget and then uses a portion to pay institutions and subsidise industries and small parts of the population. By far the most subsidisation goes to French farms and the poorer EU locales like in southern and eastern Europe. We can directly subsidise our own industries if we weren't beholden to EU laws on state intervention. And EU regulations that protect the environment contribute to the added costs of our industries; read about the current crisis of the steel industry and the added costs (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/03/pity-the-port-talbot-workers--their-country-is-powerless-to-help/)
To remain is to benefit the big businesses and multinationals, who can afford the costs brought on by regulation that smaller companies cannot (thus making themselves more dominant a less competitive market).
>>677675773
In Germany the Antifa and the Nazis (AfD) want the same thing.
>>677675773
Politically incorrect Scottish nationalist. Nice try though. I just know idiocy when I see it - and BF is rife with it. It's present in all the major parties to some extent but BF is almost a self-parody.
>>677675979
>For what is there left in the end but Death
on your death bed do you want to look back and think "Well I am a cunt, but at least I am rich" or think "At least I wasn't a cunt" Only take what you can get if it does not also involve being a cunt.
>>677675801
http://ec.europa.eu/transport/themes/infrastructure/index_en.htm
Its an official eu policy. . . . .
>>677676510
Why not be a cunt?
>>677675566
No, I disagree with him. Adam Smith said a lot of stupid things.
Ironically it's monopsony power which is (somewhat) true in theory but invisible in practice. Except when government steps in
>>677677034
>Adam Smith said a lot of stupid things.
Nigga wut
>>677665775
it's difficult to explain that to alcoholic uk fags
Not that it matters OP, but current estimates suggest the UK will vote for Brexit. Most polls suggest larger support for the stay campaign but also suggest people wishing to stay are less likely to actually turn up at the ballot. On that basis it was reported today that the leave campaign is about 4 points ahead. Ofcourse polls mean dick this far away from the actual referendum.
>>677676384
But Schengen and the like were mainly done to favour the industry, because without border controls and tariffs and so on you can produce good on time and do that without the fear of having to stand 12 hours at a border, making any kind of on-time delivery worthless.
Some companies, like VW even said they would be seriously thinking about flying critical parts from Italy to Germany, just because they wouldn't have to put up with non calculable waiting periods on the Austrian-Italian border.
>>677677221
Labour theory of value
Monopsony power is totally a thing you guys
Governments should take steps to limit the division of labour
For the love of god vote to leave the EU, and let the EU die in its own filth!
God save the queen!
>>677676170
not entirely opposing your arguement but using european directives imposes a risk towards parliamentary representation.
>>677677416
Agreed, check Brexit debates on youtube where they do a before and after debate poll for the audience, with In, Out and Undecided. See what the after debate result is... so far I have found out wins by 3-5%
>>677676510
Beats me if I get your point at all, can anyone translate?
>>677676486
Alle spinnen, aber sie sind nicht gleich.
>>677677557
I totally agree with you. But the original EU consisted of only 9 members, who were of reasonably equal par. It was also a world long before organised terrorism.
I'm not arguing that for business it would be prudent to leave. It wouldn't. Business likes continuity and certainty. But it isn't only the business aspect of being in the EU that is driving people to vote.
At the moment Merkel open the door of Germany to anyone and it isn't going to end well. There is in place the dublin treaty which is waived about by the UK to stop mas migration here. But its already on the agenda for being scrapped and Merkel has already banded figures of 90,000 migrants per year to the UK based on the UK's economy.
>>677677034
monopsony my ass
If the EU breaks, the Amerifats will rape us. Single countries have nothing to put up against them
>>677678755
Don't forget that after a few years, all the migrants/refugees in Germany will be able to apply for EU citizenship and then will be allowed to freely travel to the UK.
>>677677721
what? no! how could you think that?
>>677678836
European countries are the least of america's fucking worries. The US probably has the best ties with the UK over any other country.
>>677678836
against what exactly?
>>677678836
We are still a part of NATO
