Why don't people like this guy (without saying Socialist, Too Old, or Bush Did 11/9) ?
>>677497980
Man. I am a Bernie supporter. Along with everyone who isn't in the USA, too bad we can't vote, but that is all they have. People like trump because he just goes off and does whatever he wants and they want that. Clinton supporters likes her because she is a female.
Well he is a jew
>>677498593
Replace the two guys with 12 year old kids asking to get paid 3$ an hour
>>677497980
I don't support him because he can't even support/defend himself. I liked him, but then he got cucked and I nope.jpg
Pic related
>>677499001
That's a really stupid reason to dislike a candidate
>>677497980
Birds of feather flock together.
The haters are attracted to Trump
>>677499290
One less vote for him either way.
Bush did 911
>>677499882
I will never understand people who vote based on emotion and not on policy
I like him more as a person more than hillary or Trump however I feel he's too far left for what America needs.
College shouldn't be free. Graduates already have a hard enough time finding a related job so having more graduates clearly wouldn't help. I think it should cost less, but certainly not free.
He wants to tax people and corporations way too much on top of significantly increasing minimum wage. If I'm a business that's when I start to mechanize, lean manufacturing, or outsource.
Regarding taxes. I think the American people should decide where they put their money. Socialism might in homogeneous societies where everyone for the most part agrees on the same things. America is too much of a melting pot with very diverse opinions. Let the individual decide. Keep taxes as they are.
Free healthcare? No. Loosen regulations to force insurance companies to compete more lowering prices. Let market forces drive change
>>677497980
He couldn't even beat Hillary. That joke pretty much tells itself.
>>677500222
>Your rights end where my feelings begin! D:
>>677501017
Is corporate wealth now personal wealth? Are Bernie supporters retarded? What were the billionaires getting for free?
>>677497980
He'll destroy our great nation.
>>677497980
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc2TVLoxsDA
father of birds, bringer of peace
>>677499290
You want a candidate to stand up to bully world leaders like Putin. How can Bernie do that? If some nigresses can just push him off stage, how can the cuck stand up to Putin?
>>677501604
Corporate welfare is the same as human welfare. Look up how much we spend on welfare for people vs welfare for corporations. None of its required to be repaid, it's welfare.
>>677500222
>says the person voting for a socialist with an $18 TRILLION plan to bankrupt the nation
>just wants free shit anyways
Anti-nuclear power and anti-GM, meaning he is a scientifically illiterate moron.
>>677501604
what is tax avoidance for 100 alex
>>677497980
He has a habit of promising stuff he has no chance of delivering.
>>677497980
i don't even dislike this guy. it's the fucking social justice warriors that piss me off.
american "liberalism" has gone down the same path the social justice warriors have gone down... so it's no longer possible for me to side with these guys.
by the way, being a social justice warrior does not make one "liberal". social justice warriors, with their desire to police nudity in the media and censor words that come out of people's mouths, are actually the opposite of liberalism. american "liberalism" is retarded and is not true liberalism.
>>677502057
>bankrupt
>>677502057
>$18 TRILLION plan to bankrupt the nation
According to right wing hack analysis, yes. Read this:
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/09/no-bernie-sanders-domestic-policy-plan-doesnt-really-cost-18-trillion
>>677502407
Have some reality
http://moneymorning.com/2016/02/10/how-the-bernie-sanders-healthcare-plan-would-bankrupt-america/
>>677502508
>meanwhile in reality
http://www.wsj.com/articles/price-tag-of-bernie-sanders-proposals-18-trillion-1442271511
>>677497980
zionist
>>677502379
SJWs tend to be liberal but most liberals would disagree with things SJWs believe in, the parts about censoring speech and policing media are not liberal ideas
>amerifags thinking tax payer-funded healthcare and education bankrupts a country.
>amerifags completely incapable of looking outside of their own borders and noticing that almost every single fucking 1st world country provides tax payer funded healthcare and education for its citizens.
>>677500222
Last time I voted for someones policies we ran up our national debt another trillion dollars and watched every branch of government gridlock themselves. No thank you. I want a leader in office.
>>677501017
>On record Voting yes for:
>Oil wars
>Wall street bailouts
>Corporate welfare
but he's really going to stop all that once he's president
>>677497980
joo, you forgot joo.
>(without saying Socialist
This is literally the reason most Americans dislike him
>>677497980
socialist
>>677497980
>11/9
>>677502828
Bro, we still believe the metric system is a tool for world domination.
kasich for pres faggots
>>677502655
>posting the same shitty statistic with the same flaws mentioned in the article
Again, read what I posted. I'll quote the relevant parts for you since reading seems to be tough for you
"It depends on how you look at it. First, there's a set of proposals that the Journal estimates would cost about $3.4 trillion. That's not pocket change, but it's about as much as Jeb Bush's tax cut.
Then there's the $15 trillion price tag for universal health care. Is this a fair estimate? It's probably in the ballpark. Private health insurance accounted for about $1 trillion in spending last year, and assuming reasonable growth that will probably come to around $15 trillion over the course of a decade.
But here's the thing: this is money we already spend. Right now, employers and workers pay insurance companies $1 trillion for health care. Under Bernie's plan, we'd instead pay that money to the federal government. Generally speaking, this would be invisible to most of us. Behind the scenes, our dollars would flow to a different place, and that's about it.
So the Sanders plan wouldn't actually take money out of our pockets.
Bottom line: You should think of the Sanders plan as costing about $3.4 trillion. You may or may not like the idea of universal health care, but it wouldn't have much impact on how much money you actually take home each week."
>>677501892
It wasn't his event though, it was an event he was
invited to speak at.
>>677502874
He didn't vote for any of those things you fucking moron
>>677503073
What kind of idiot thinks the government would manage anything better than the market? It will increase costs, increase inefficiencies, decrease quality of care, etc,
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2016/01/18/bernie-sanders-incredible-28-trillion-plan-to-replace-obamacare-with-single-payer-health-care/
>>677503074
So what? He's a weakling who lets even lowly nigresses step all over him. How is he supposed to stand up to other world leaders when NO ONE respects him? He'll break into tears the first negotiation with another nation.
>>677497980
>>677502532
>http://moneymorning.com/2016/02/10/how-the-bernie-sanders-healthcare-plan-would-bankrupt-america/
That's some retarded source you posted there, son. They literally say at the bottom that Bernie has a plan for all of it, but then say:
"But several experts have stepped forward over the past few weeks – most of whom are liberal or progressive thinkers – to say that the Bernie Sanders healthcare plan makes too many unlikely assumptions.'
They don't quote a single person saying that, or even make an argument for it. They have no argument because they are wrong
>>677499841
>haters
Are you fucking faggots actually in favor of bernie? you people are actually retarded
>>677503446
The current system is fucking awful since we get price gouged by insurance providers, that's why we pay the most of all major countries for health care with worse outcomes. Why would that be the case if the free market is always the best?
>>677501723
>calling mussolini a socialist
Wow that a now level of dumbassery
>>677502758
Bernie was the only candidate that didn't go suck dicks at AIPAC
>>677500451
i think this is the great lie americans tell themselves.. if you think Bernie is too far left you clearly do not see how far right the country has gone.
>>677503822
If someone is gonna quote him they should at least post the entire quote. Jfc
He was wrong to say white people don't know what it's like to be poor.
But he's right about everything else. Institutional Racism exists. Police brutality against black people exists and it needs to stop.
He misspoke. Big fucking deal.
>>677501723
After 40 years of a policy born with Roosevelt that made the US the most successful economy in the world, wealth redistribution slowed down drastically in the US when Reagan came to power and slowed further down since then.
Income inequalities went off the roof, the US are now ranked #27 for their quality of life and human development index, and have the highest poverty rate of the OECD countries.
Meanwhile, "socialist" Europe has become the world first economic power, with minimal inequalities and poverty rates, ranked best for their education and healthcare systems, and the highest quality of life.
tl;dr You're a retard and don't know what you're talking about.
>>677502828
Funding gaps in health care are anywhere from 5 billion dollars (UK) to as high as 500 billion (Canada) and in order to make the difference they'll have to either drastically increase taxes, cut specialist services, or both.
>>677504830
Not mention that he apologized and said that he didn't mean it that way
>>677503035
Hivemind/10
>>677504282
You do know that the government is interfering in the market right now, right? Medicare, regulations, laws... It's not a truly free market.
>>677505020
>implying a measure made up by leftists is at all unbiased
Do you have any real data on how "awful" the US is? Anything unbiased? Or just MUH FEELZ?
>>677498593
This sure sounds fancy.
But how many years do you want to spend on your knees to these company smiling cunts, before you make a wage you can live off?
>>677503612
>someone makes good point
>"so what, here, let me say the same fucking thing again
Is it difficult being that retarded?
>>677504830
I used to be a Bernie supporter until he let slip how much he hates his fellow white people. I'm white, I'm poor; but according to that asshole I don't REALLY know what it's like to be poor. You know what? Fuck him. I'm voting Trump now, just to spite the cunt.
>>677505824
It doesn't matter that it wasn't his speaking event, he still let himself be bullied in front of the public. No world leader will respect him now. He's shown himself to be very weak.
>>677505492
Exactly. We should abolish the income tax and just use excise taxes on food, gas, and utilities to fund the government and make the poor finally pay their share. Imagine the extra money for the job creators
>>677497980
cause his support comes from over coddled pussies because he promises to coddle them even more.
>>677505831
He clearly misspoke, he grew up as a poor white kid for fucks sake. Also, he apologized and said he didn't mean it that way, so if you are letting that decide your vote you are retarded
>>677497980
>without saying socialist
But that's a perfectly valid reason, are you some kind of retard who things economic policy is just a meme?
>>677506022
This guy gets it! Always glad to see a fellow rational human being on /b/.
>>677505668
All this comes from the IMF, the OECD, the UN, the World Bank, the Fed.
Feel free to whine about those "leftist" biased sources, meanwhile people are laughing at your deluded retardation and enjoying better lifes.
It's not like they care much.
>>677502057
How about we pay for it with congress's yearly pay raise.
Or the thousand a year those folks spend on haircuts and new clothes, vacations, etc.. with tax money.
Fuck you for letting them have that money for their devices and not our fucked education system.
Trump running for president is the first indication that our education is pitiful.
>>677505817
Then get an actual career faggot.
>>677506187
>Also, he apologized and said he didn't mean it that way, so if you are letting that decide your vote you are retarded
He got caught in his little Freudian slip and lied about not meaning it. Too late, we know what he truly thinks now.
>>677506187
>he grew up as a poor white kid for fucks sake
Isn't he Jewish?
>>677506022
That's absurdly retarded, poor people make basically no money compared to the rich, so expecting them to pay an equal amount is impossible
Zero intellectual fairmindedness, humility, and ultimately, integrity. His consistency means nothing when it's things he's wrong about, such as high school level economics.
In this way, he is no different than any other politician... and therefore is just as dangerous. His supporters don't know the difference between thinking with their head or heart, because their heart tells them they're using their head.
Racist, bigots, what have you on the Trump side... I still hadn't seen so much cognitive bias in my life until I met Bernie Sanders supporters, many of which are now ex-friends, because who needs fucking retards for friends?
Because Reddit always makes bad choices.
>>677499001
Trump gets shut down by hundreds of BLMers, does that make him a bigger cuck?
>>677506386
You actually think he thinks white people can't be poor? If you are this retarded, just go ahead and vote Trump
>>677506265
Leftist/statist organizations, ESPECIALLY the UN.
>>677506306
Sure.
But I am gonna need a part time job to pay for college, right?
There goes a few years.
Also need a car to get there and back.
Another few years at min wage.
Just first.
Also someone was saying how hard it was for college grads to find work already.
So either I muscle them out, or work for less.
Now I'm taking a career for min wage to challenge the college crowd.
What is a career?
>>677505978
Aaaaand you're clearly a broken record. Who's the candidate you feel to be a leader?
>>677506420
Jews are white now, anon
>>677506267
I agree partially, anyone who works for the government should do it for free. It's a duty, not a well paying job. That'll make sure only people who truly want to serve the people will work at the government.
>>677506420
jews are white but supposedly not caucasian; so yeah,Bernie is a self-hating white.
>>677506454
I have $10, you have $5. We go out for a coffee, costs $5 per coffee. I have one, you have one. According to you, I should pay for both of us because I have more. This is fair how?
>>677506725
That's if I don't have any medical issue in the meantime.
Which if I don't have career, I haven't afforded, so as a low income earner, I don't deserve the same care.
So.. stay sick, bail on the college, and keep the min wage job working for the smiling company cunt.
...how exactly do careers work?
>>677506803
That'll make sure that no one works for the government. You really think you trash man will do his job because of a sense of duty?
>>677506535
Quite the opposite, it took thousands to shut down his rally, not two baboons
>>677501892
I disagree. I think we need a candidate that commands the respect of other world leaders, not necessarily the fear of them. This is how you can make deals and compromises. How can Bernie command the respect of people like Putin when he can't even command the respect of two teenagers or himself?
>>677497980
because his tax plan, economy strategy and immigration plan all will have negative effects on people and the nation. his tax plan(assuming he can implement it) will raise taxes on everyone, contrary to popular belief of only the rich, and while its thought you will benefit from "free" college and healthcare which will outweigh costs it in fact wont and people will be worse off than in the current fucked up system. he would reduce debt by tons which is a good thing but the negative affects caused by it outweigh that positive.
his economy plan would hurt people with min wage increase because businesses wont simply pay the increased wage and that be the end of it. they will fire people and make remaining work more to compensate, increase prices on goods/services to make up money, across the board businesses will see others demanding raises since if min wage is 15/hr and i worked my way to 20 for old 7.5/hr i should be paid more to reflect experience. this will go all the way up to higher paying jobs resulting in inflation and essentially us being where we are now. so min wage goes up but so do prices resulting in same way of life now becasue it was forced. he would also hurt the economy with his plan to increase corporate taxes and bill wall street driving business away
his immigration plan is a joke and will further promote the idea that citizenship is unnecessary
i dont dislike him as a person but as a politician he sucks
>>677506582
Even the far left site politifact agrees with me:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/07/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-wrong-say-when-youre-white-you-dont/
>>677507040
Taxes =/= commerical products
You can't use the same logic for them
>>677507162
It was never a rally drumpfcuck
>>677506588
I'm sure you have solid, unbiased and competent sources covering and processing massive amounts of data as efficiently and with as much detail as those organisms.
Please point them out to me, I'm waiting in expectation for more signs of your naive delusion and biased hypocrisy.
>>677506535
>Mob of unruly violent nigger Bernie supporters
>Two niggresses. accepts it. bows head. cries.
>>677506733
Trump, without a doubt! Pure alpha male, he'll inspire respect and fear in our enemies.
>>677506785
I meant that Jews are never poor. You ever met a poor Jew?
>>677507040
that's a good way to simplify Bernie's economics philosophy.
>>677507289
Of course they do, because Bernie didn't mean it that way, as he said when later apologized for the remark
>>677504819
Id agree but the amount of faggotry and pro black shit being forced down my throat is proof youre wrong
>>677497980
His tax proposals are idiotic. The U.S. economy is not at equilibrium, yet he wants to raise taxes enormously. One college level macroecon class will tell you that's retarded during a recession or depression cycle.
He wants corporate "reform," including raising the 35% corp tax rate and ending subsidies. We have the highest corporate tax rate in the world and you want to raise it? Why the fuck do you think businesses are leaving?
His ideas are either ambitious to the point of being unrealistic, or they are ill-conceived and will topple our economy.
This
>>677507100
Perfect! Then the market can handle things. I fail to see a problem? If you have such a hard on for "serving your fellow man" through government service, why don't you want to do it for free? Or is it that you just want handouts?
>>677507451
Only one I know of is Bernie Sanders, but I don't know that many Jews
>>677507393
That's all I needed. Thanks, nigger.
>>677506187
His parents paid for his college.
He has no idea what its like being poor.
>>677507251
>This is how you can make deals and compromises
My god, you really are a leftist, aren't you? POWER is the only language on the international stage, not kindness. Why do you think the US is still the dominant power? We have the largest military!
>>677507615
>implying employees pay the payroll tax
Nice bullshit Vox hit piece. This is actually what you will pay under Sanders tax plan, ignoring increased taxes if universal health care gets passed
>>677505831
I'm sorry you feel that. I'm sorry you think voting a billionaire into office would be a better choice than someone who has spent his entire political career fighting for EVERYONE.
Sorry you think voting someone who thinks the current minimum wage right now is too high.
I don't know what to tell you.
>>677507040
No. High earners stick with their clique anyway.
But that cup of coffee is 2% of most low income earners entire two week paycheck at min wage.
So if they buy 3 or 4 coffees, they miss rent.
You still wanna bitch about it? Don't buy their coffee, and enjoy your ivory tower.
>>677507648
source?
>>677507617
You may be the dumbest nigger to ever post on b
>>677507306
The only difference is that taxes are extorted through threat of force, not willingly given.
He's a social progressive, which is diametrically opposed to my unwavering beliefs in classical liberalism and individualism.
>>677507468
I know, it's so simple. "You have more than me, GIVE ME YOUR SHIT!"
>>677507825
When we have folks who can afford a house on their credit card, compared to folks who grow up not being able to afford a business tax...
...perhaps the rich folks to could propose something other than, "Fuck those who aren't as lucky as my family, and get out of my way you serf filth worker bees."
>>677507474
What did he mean then? All I get from it is "white people are evil, we need to give our money to the blacks"
>>677507809
Lol, that propaganda has been busted multiple times over. You are drunk on Kool Aid, bud.
>>677499841
idiots love Bernie. what's your point?
>>677507617
>implying paying for a service through government is a handout
I want government to serve some basic functions, not for government to do nothing
>>677507812
/thread
>>677507632
kek, he's a failure even as a jew
I don't know, I really like him
>>677507640
I thought you lefties loved niggers? Why are you using it as an insult?
>>677505199
500 billion dollars?
the canadian healthcare budget isn't even that big.
Hmm... Gee i wonder why no one with sense likes him.....:.
>>677507809
>believing this is the real tax plan
>>677507812
>his entire political career fighting for EVERYONE.
He just admitted he doesn't care about white people!!
>>677501864
that bird had one job. ONE JOB and he couldn't do it right.
>>677508194
kek you post propaganda and I call you out with specific arguments, and you respond, unable to defend yourself, with "You are drunk on the Kool Aid, bud". Good argument
>>677507825
>you have to pay for my free shit!
>you're rich, that's immoral!
>>677508203
*smart people
>>677502033
yes and whom does more for the public good?
>>677508394
It's literally on website. Are you claiming that he is lying to us?
>>677508109
How about you work harder in life instead of trying to tear others down?
>>677508402
Show that quote please, because the one I think you are referring to said nothing like that
>>677502283
like every democrat.
>>677508207
Why? Government does everything far worse than the market.
https://mises.org/library/free-market-model-versus-government-reply-nozick-0
>>677508583
a politician never lies to people, especially about taxes. everything they say is 100% truth
>>677502283
for example?
>>677507809
Employees DO often pay payroll tax. Get a job and you mind have an idea how the adult world works, kid.
PS. Bernie is economically illiterate.
>>677508208
Haha how is that /thread? You're voting for someone who has fought for you his whole life? This cuck just protested and got arrested and shouted the loudest like his supporters are doing now. His entire life has revolved around having a seat on some type of government and bitched about things put in front of him. His one grand daddy ideas of all ideas, universal health care, was tried during his time in Vermont. They had to end it as he was bankrupting the state.
So yeah, I'd rather vote in someone who knows how to run a business rather than the guy who has only tried one thing and failed, otherwise contributing nothing to society other than being a placeholder on a legislative board.
>>677508489
That's my first comment towards you. Who are you referring to? Yeah you are drunk on Kool-Aid, there's a million fucking sources out there telling you that image is false. Want me to google it for you dumbass?
>>677502828
The best schools in the world are....American and British. USA and England don't provide free education. Coincidence? No.
>>677508715
>Government does everything far worse than the market
No, just no. I can see your too deep in your anarcho-capitalist ideology for any argument to make sense if you going to say something that absurd
>>677508778
You have zero evidence that he is lying, stop being retarded
>>677509411
yes please, go find me some proof that bernie sanders tax plan isn't the on listed on his fucking website
>>677505020
>Du bist'n idiot.
it's not that difficult to lead in a race when you started among the first 10 in line anyway and in pole too since 1910 at least, with the other nine beating each other's heads in twice leaving some maimed for the years to come and others with their legs tyed together.
i suggest seeing it like this: starting with hoover and at least from lbj on your country slagged to same parth the european states did, but somewhat less consequently leaving you in the top tier relatively and when you began recognizing there was a problem on the horizon you began voting somewhat market economy again to keep the boat from sinking and showel out some of the water already in till you came again to the conclusion you could let shit slide again.
europe 's got its fair sides like in my country (germany) healthcare that kinda works somewhat, but retirement system, some civil achievements like freedom of speech, of religion, of property rights, guns and union power ... are repressive. and on top of that we can't easily escape to the US cause you insist on making it teadeously hard to get to ya.
and just to adjust here, inequality doesn't matter one bit. it's more a mirror of the US's attractiveness towards immigrants from around the world trying to lift themselves out of poverty in a land of at least some oppurtunities.
>>677509465
>No, just no
Not an argument
I don't want a bigger gov't role on our citizens, and this guy wants the opposite.
Go ahead and point out our role in military, foreign affairs, and border security when I was talking about gov't role on citizens.
>>677508778
yeah, toatally
>>677497980
He constantly hates on the upper class because it's popular to do so, along with blaming white privilege on black incarceration rate and supporting the terrorist group black lives matter.
I find it funny when people accuse Trump supporters of being brainwashed when Bernie's whole campaign is run on "I will give young adults student loan forgiveness, poor people more welfare, and it will all come from those evil greedy rich bastards at the top!"
>>677508402
He misspoke. You know that's not what he mean't.
He's fought for the poor and the middle class his entire life.
>>677497980
>why don't people like him?
>don't use reasons why people don't like him
rofl
>>677498395
This
>>677497980
Socialist,Too Old, or Bush Did 11/9
Bernie voters have extreme retardation!
>>677509704
You ever had to be on foodstamps?
>>677509628
No, it's not, that statement was too retarded for me to waste time arguing against
>>677507809
>implying there should be a bayroll tax
>>677505199
>baaaaw funding a good healthcare system costs a lot, just look at Canada, the UK, etc.
7 countries compared, the US are spending twice per capita and yet are ranked 7.
mysides.jpg
>>677500451
Second.
>>677509990
>too retarded for me to waste time arguing against
Not an argument. Try again
>>677497980
Because Americans are fucking stupid.
Universal single-payer health care would pay for itself, but Americans are like 'hurr durr but when I wouldn't be able to get shafted by the drug companies hurr durr'
Free education pays itself back mostly in terms of economic growth and increased tax income. If a random student earns just 4k/year more after college because they received an education, then the gubment ROI's on that 30-40k investment after about 30-40 years. Earlier in states like NY where income tax is higher.
But all you dumb fucks are like 'nooo! math is different here, it would never work'.
4chan is literally full of people who call Bernie's supporters cucks while at the same time having their asses stretched out by thick throbbing dick of corporate lobbyists.
>>677508946
Sometimes they do, yes but in this case it's pretty clear they won't:
"Paid for by a 6.2 percent income-based health care premium paid by employers, a 2.2 percent income-based premium paid by households"
https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/
>>677497980
I don't get the too old thing anyways, hillary and trump are both just 5 years younger, just as fucking old as bernie.
Smh!! Socialism is good
>>677509956
Look at the responses, that assumes that employees will pay the increased payroll tax which is outright false
>>677501723
If anything, you are to compare to Lenin, and Lenin was a cool guy.
>>677510032
My my child, you need to read a book about how the U.S. healthcare system works. There are plenty of reasons it's expensive, most of which has to do with cultural, medical, and societal issues rather than just "the structure."
>>677510032
If our government would quit letting the corporations cuck us so bad Healthcare wouldn't be such an issue in the US
>>677509704
Tiny violin playing for the millionaires and billionaires. I pray they'll be ok.
>>677501723
Stalin would hate social justice warriors and most of the leftist socialist movements today. He was pro-family, military, and was anti-abortion.
Mussolini and Hitler both had a superior banking system, and were harder on the banks than communists. It does work, but only if the bank is completely owned by the state, and out of private and foreign hands.The USSR failed to do that and was backed by international banks.
I love bernie as a brit. He is everything our country needs
>>677510299
So if you're a small business owner making not much money, that's already a LOT more in taxes.
Great.
>>677510540
This.
>>677509425
Best universities, not schools. And those Universities are filled to the brim with Indians and Asians.
>>677502283
Like every politician in the world, bub. Nothing new there.
>>677510574
You also won't need to pay for health insurance for your employees any more
>>677510423
Yeah, we have to spend the money on advertising that other countries don't bother with.
>Super hard to have all this money to sucker people with.
>Buyer beware
>>677510214
That's incredible!! one person with common sense in 4chan! you must be the only one...
>>677504830
>he misspoke
>big deal
fuck you. still defending him. ppl have to make up shit to call Trump a racist, misogynist etc. Here you have undeniable proof that sanders is a fucking idiot but you choose to put it off as "oh he misspoke" eat shit and die millennial liberal cuck
>>677501723
>implying nazi germany didn't have a fantastic economy
topkek
>>677510816
You already don't have to, dummy.
>>677510671
>Best universities, not schools
u wot m8? fukin ponce
>>677510393
Employers are required to withhold from your paycheck and/or pay it. Yes, you don't "pay it" because it is withheld from your check and your employer pays it.
Accounting 101 pleb
>>677509928
No, because I've always worked my whole life and I didn't have children out of wedlock when I was 19. I made good decisions that didn't lead to having to take food stamps.
>>677510540
>they aren't me so who gives a shit
This is the kind of thinking that creates a divide in the country.
>>677511209
If you are shitty employer, sure
>>677509591
I'm not interested with your personal feelings, my opinion isn't based on my own experience only, but on proper data and statistics from a whole lot of international organizations.
Not to mention I actually travelled, lived and worked in several Euro countries in the last 15 years, as I am, myself, a European.
The biggest counter-arguments against redistribution of resources rests on a notion that free will actually exist and that people are ultimately responsible for their own success/demise.
Hence, people who object the loudest are scientifically illiterate.
>>677511186
And yet Trump spews idiocy every time he opens his mouth on camera.
>>677500451
>Universal healthcare
>left wing
I'm sorry man I can't take this seriously
>>677510671
schooling in 'merica is shitty why?
[ ]choice restricted
[ ]teachers unions
[ ]some people are dragged trough for years without any hope to improve
[ ]all of the above
>>677511470
This would make sense with equality of opportunity, but that does not exist in the US at all
>>677501723
the whole reason Mussolini came to power is he suppressed socialist revolution. The socialists were taking farms from the rich so that people can grow their own food, but Mussolini had a different plan, he worked with the rich to become a dictator.
>>677497980
We live in democracy. You honestly think any of his ideas will be made into laws? No. It will be stopped, or if it does pass it will be weakened so much that it will fail. The political parties are super divided these days. Good luck.
>>677506267
>thinks congress gets a yearly pay raise in the trillions of dollars
kill yourself...you're undeserving of life
>>677511674
I think you misunderstood me. I agree with your viewpoint and disagree with anyone who doesn't.
>>677511460
>hdi
>pop beeing constantly in education or training boosts to 1
>how scandinavian is my county?
>>677511754
>the whole reason Mussolini came to power is he suppressed socialist revolution
> he worked with the rich to become a dictator.
...what? He was a lifelong socialist and came to power in a coup d'etat
>>677510881
And spend the most (by hundreds of percents) on defensive medicine because of the abuse in our judicial system, or the extra $160+ billion annually in extra healthcare costs for obesity in our nation, which also leads to increased medical costs when fatty gets prego and has to undergo special medical supervision and run up hundreds of thousands in costs, only to have a miscarriage because they were trying to beat mother nature, or that we have a system focused on biomedical technology and have made at least 75% of the greatest medical technologies in the past 30 years, about 8-10% of all medical costs are uninsured users (mostly illegals) in ERs taking advantage of our system (EMTALA), etc etc.
I work in health policy. The list is far longer than you would imagine. Research it for yourself. Our society is to blame at least equally as our health care infrastructure should be.
>>677511631
you think it's a universal human right?
Point out a single thing wrong with this plan:
http://thebernreport.com/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/
>>677509425
Best schools are in Scandinavia bro, wtf u even thinking?
>>677497980
Socialist and Kike. 0/10
>>677511754
Nicola Bombacci (a communist) said that Fascism was more anti-capitalist than marxism. I'm fascist and I agree with him.
>>677511396
>implying there aren't many fucking families with two providers who still are on food stamps.
Learn to think outside of your own viewpoint for once. A generalized statement like you just gave really doesn't cover many people on foodstamps.
I'm a Britfag and know nothing of Bernie's policies, but this pic tells me all I need to know.
Everyone will laugh at America if you elect this cuck.
>>677510521
The healthcare private sector in the US only amounts for 45% of the total expenses.
Tell me more about how it's all about the corporate sector bleeding you dry, and it has nothing to do with the very structure of your healthcare, when a dozen countries spends half as much and have a better healthcare efficiency.
>>677510559
Speak for yourself. I grew up in the 1970's and experienced socialism in practice. Strikes, power cuts, inflation/interest rates, 3 day week. Corbyn and his ilk would be a disaster.
>>677507590
I'm pretty sure America is heading towards to positive side of its trend, so an anti-cyclic economic reform would be right on time.
>>677512755
Tell me how bernie plans to pass any of this. Then we can start to deconstruct his other ideas.
>>677513127
No, they will laugh if you elect Trump.
>>677497980
Because in order to help those who work hard and make no money, he is willing to steal from those who work hard and do make money. I think it offends him, and offends all of his followers, that someone, somewhere in this country, could possibly make a significant amount of money while others don't.
>>677512894
http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2015
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2016/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25
Facts suck, eh?
>>677510671
Foreign Exchange
>>677513627
He's not Black. Thats a start.
>>677497980
He is the monetary establishment on steroids. You'll get swindled more by usurers under his rule than Bush and Obama combined.
>>677513759
"Work hard"
>>677513627
Through a political revolution where people stand up and demand that their politicians vote for them. It's unrealistic but I would rather vote for an idealist who can't get anything done than a corporate shill
>>677509867
What a great and well supported argument there, anon.
>>677498593
$7.25 minimum wage? WTF? I earn more than that taking my 10 minute shit break.
>>677511200
germany was shit broke near the end of WWII, before Hitler died.
>>677506725
anecdotal fallacy
>>677513759
It does offend me that CEOs make 1000 times the wage of their workers. There is no way that the CEO is doing 1000 times the work of his employees
>>677513961
Solid flaw in my argument to rip. I guess what I mean is a typical, 40-hour work week.
>>677513831
I work in IT. Half the people I work with were not born in the US, myself included.
If your schooling system is so great, then why do you end up importing half of your engineering work force?
But fuck facts, right?
>>677514285
Well yeah that part offends me, too. But hey I'm employed by a corporation that pays me a lot to do my job so I'm not very inclined to start going after "evil" corporations and CEOs.
>>677514204
Wannabe-sophist detected
>>677502057
Bankrupt what? The US has been financially ass-raped by corporate greed under republifags to the point where it's almost worthless.
>>677514161
Well they had been involved in a world war for several years. Even the winning nations were pretty fucked.
>>677514285
not that guy, but CEOs typically have a shit ton of experience running companies or large portions of them, which means their job is insanely high stress. Not saying they deserve 1000 times more money than the average worker, but they almost always DO work harder. Being the head of a company, especially a publicly held one, is quite demanding.
>>677506725
>But I am gonna need a part time job to pay for college, right?
Nope, student loans.
>Also need a car to get there and back.
Every decent college has a good bus system. However, I simply got an apartment within walking distance of school. I didn't drive my car for days at a time because I would just walk to school and back. I only drove it to friends houses and to get groceries etc.
>hard it was for college grads to find work
Not if you choose a smart major that has demand. I had a biotech job secured months before I graduated with my biochemistry degree. I got that job by volunteering in a research lab and getting letters of recommendation from the professors who ran the research project.
It's almost as if hard work pays off!
>>677514312
Why would the US has so many exchange students if the schools weren't good? Even the small colleges, ones basically out in the sticks, have dozens of students from Japan alone.
>>677497980
>Without naming a valid point
Not everybody is down for socialism.
>>677514592
Like how the US got ass-raped by dumbass democrats trying to enact benevolent policies? The 2008 crash was the direct result of Clinton's bullshit from the early 90s. Read about it.
>>677509425
It's the universities, not the schools, and anyone working in that field knows that the Shanghai ranking of universities is retarded and biased, as universities in mainland Europe doesn't work like their anglosaxon counterpart, ie they're not large campus with sheer numbers of students, but numerous small facilities working in network.
And like any other EU country, education is free in the UK, and highest tier paid schools doesn't ask retarded and unrealistic fees breaking you down for the next 10 years.
90% of the anti-Bernie responses I've seen in this thread are disproven by it actually fucking working in our country. Plus it's between him, a lying sack of shit, and a psychotic sack of shit.
>>677514952
This. Freaking liberal arts majors graduating with some bullshit degree and suddenly surprised that they can't find a 50K+ a year salary, and then getting pissed at "Republicans holding us back."
Be smart and observe the current economic climate when choosing a major; you'll have a much easier time finding lucrative work.
>>677513880
Honestly if you think skin color has anything to do with the failures of obama you have to be retarded.
>>677514002
Your political revolution is attempting to cut the legs of those who support you already with jobs. Also you people cant even seem to get to the voting booths this one time, how can you expect to do it for hundreds of congressional representatives?
>>677513773
See >>677515183 you ignorant retard.
The Shanghai ranking on which those results are based is tailored for large universities and doesn't work for what you find in the rest of Europe.
>>677514312
Our Universities are world class. I had fellow students who traveled halfway around the world to go to school in the United States.
We import engineers and IT workers because they work for much lower wages. They are flooding the marketplace. My company recently hired a totally inept lady from India as a lab technician. She supposedly has the educational credentials for the job, but she doesn't know a god damn thing and is pretty much technologically illiterate. So fucking frustrating working with her. But I'm sure she offered to do the job for half what other applicants wanted so she got hired. The boss doesn't have to deal with her so why should he care?
>>677497980
He vilifies the financial services industry by telling his followers they're bad (Wall Street caused the 2008 crisis), which isn't true, but his followers are economically illiterate. On top of that, he's a cuck to BLM, which is arguably one of the worst social movements in existence.
>>677514981
> not answering my question
> implying European Universities don't have tons of Indian/Asian students
>>677514653
A war they got themselves into, poor economical planning. Once Germany's barely back on it's feet again, following WWI, they decide to take over the world. Very foolish of it's leaders to expect it to be cheap; and on top of that,to assume they'd have the resources to do it..
>>677497980
Rich people don't like being picked on
>>677515544
This guy gets it.
>>677499290
Him not being able to stand up for himself? That's a pretty good reason to not like him.
>>677515664
Or they just like being able to manage the money they earned themselves and not have the government take it from them for some bullshit redistribution of wealth policy.
I didn´t had anything agaisnt him until this happened;
>>677499001
I used to think he would be a better option than Shillary.
Now, honestly speaking, Trump is the lesser evil. If things still go south people will have to vote for that clown.
>>677515462
>Your political revolution is attempting to cut the legs of those who support you already with jobs
What?
>how can you expect to do it for hundreds of congressional representatives
I agree it's unrealistic but it's better than having somone I disagree with as president
>>677514926
Agreed. Relative responsibilities of the jobs counts for a lot as well. I suppose in theory if a CEO fucks up the company goes under and everyone's out of a job.
>>677515544
>implying wall street isn't responsible for the crash of 2008
>implying it won't happen again without significant changes to the banking system
>>677497980
Economic illiterate
>>677515816
Did you mean >>677515472
>>677497980
Too soon.
>>677515816
You want to tax "the rich" and businesses. You lower any incentive for me to try and innovate and become rich. Where is my drive to improve my life if most of my production is going to go to someone else?
>>677501723
Dude, Mussolini doesn´t belong to that pic. And Hitler barely fits.
>>677501604
>>677501604
Yes, yes they are. His entire campaign is literally just "hur dur Wall Street is cheating you." He does to Wall Street what Trump does to mexicans/muslims, but his supporters still seem to have that smug sense of superiority.
>>677515924
Read up on Clinton's policies in the early 90s. He pushed legislation through that forced banks to lower their lending standards, in an effort to get more minorities into home ownership. But it didn't work, and it took about 15 years for the system to finally collapse.
>>677516065
THIS. You eliminate the drive for human achievement and we will, in a very general sense, cease to innovate and improve. Money drives everything.
>>677514952
Well said man. Shame other people don't get this, especially the course selection and getting out into the market early part.
>>677515556
I don't disagree with that, and I did mean to imply Europe doesn't have great universities/colleges as well. I just meant to say that US has great universities/colleges.
I'm not a Eurobasher, though I find disagreements from time to time.
>>677515522
Then I'm sorry you work at a shitty company. Most a-rate tech companies have their employees do most of the hiring, maybe you should try getting into one of those.
Also, if it was a wage thing, then why are we seeing the same thing at companies like Amazon, Facebook, Apple, Google, etc.?
I work at one of those companies, and like I said, half my co-workers were not born in the US. Some of them were educated here though.
I received a free University education, to the point of getting paid to do a PhD. Then I moved to the US and now I'm making 140k/year + stock.
So yeah, US Universities are great, but half of the students there are not from the US, and the tutition is not worth it most of the time.
>>677497980
because this
>>677515924
They aren't. If you're so sure, then explain to me exactly how Wall Street is responsible. They didn't create the original loans or package them into MBSs. They simply bought these MBSs (with no knowledge that they contained so much bullshit) and held/sold them (had they known the MBSs were backed by toxic assets the banks wouldn't have held onto so many of them). It's too bad you won't respond because you have no idea what you're talking about and don't want to embarrass yourself.
What is Bernies stance against ISIS?
Will Bernie fight ISIS or will he let them invade the USA?
>>677500451
Exactly my thoughts. I'd rather vote for him than Clinton, Trump, or Cruz.
>>677516300
There isn't much innovation, problems are duplicated thousands of times and solved individually by businesses. The same sort of thing happens in research, duplication and bullshit papers/talks with negative value. The direction is set by the progress of the human machine, academia leaches off it and businesses buzz around it. We are slowing the progress of the machine with such inefficiency.
>>677516656
Bernie, like the typical Democrat, will be extremely benevolent and kind and not sacrifice their morals to defend the country. They'll be irrational and accept refugees, and the constituent ISIS soldiers, to our demise.
>>677516065
>You want to tax "the rich" and businesses. You lower any incentive for me to try and innovate and become rich. Where is my drive to improve my life if most of my production is going to go to someone else?
For almost half a century, the highest income were taxed at a rate of over 80%, reaching 94% at some point.
I don't recall the US faring badly socially and economically in these times. As a matter of fact the country was leading the world.
>>677516145
omg someone who actually knows something about politics on /b/
now to wait for someone to call you fag, a liar and to blame bush more
He doesn't understand basic economics and the fact that his policies will increase taxes by a marginal amount
>>677516898
This is my ONLY concern about having Bernie as president. But still 10,000% better than Trumps approach.
>>677515924
>implying wall street isn't responsible for the crash of 2008
The financial crisis was largely due to a collapse of the "shadow" banking market - non-bank entities like mortgage lenders. It spread to the major investment banks due to overleveraging and the perception that mortgages were a relatively safe investment.
>implying it won't happen again without significant changes to the banking system
Already been done. Dodd-Frank, motherfucker. That was 111th congress you need to catch the fuck up with the times.
>>677497980
What happened on November 9?
>>677516996
That's like comparing apples and oranges, though. Because, during that time, the average high school graduate could easily find a job that would support a family of four. These days things are way different, partly because of American corporations sending work overseas and partly because of a swelling population.
>>677516996
Good thing people, businesses, and the world dont change then, you converted me. #FeelTheBern
>>677516788
Continuing... not making a point about US politics here. China is obviously going to tear the world a new one. The US's best hope is throwing a huge violent tantrum, but lets hope they aren't left in a position to do that.
>>677517132
Trump has the best foreign policy of any presidential candidate.
>>677515565
Hehe, yeah I understand that. I suppose what I was suggesting was that the war wasn't necessarily an automatic consequence of national socialism. So it wasn't the political system that bankrupt Germany, it was it's daft leaders.
>Why don't people like this guy (without saying Socialist, Too Old, or Bush Did 11/9) ?
Because Berniebros keep copypasta spamming my facebook feed.
>>677517171
Not him but Dodd-Frank was an incredibely weak piece of legislation full of loopholes. And then, most of the important parts of Dodd-Frank were repealed in other unrelated bills
>>677516996
>economically in these times. As a matter of fact the country was leading the world.
http://www.the-american-interest.com/2012/01/24/the-once-and-future-liberalism/
>>677517132
Eh, we could debate that one forever. I generally don't have an issue with Islam, but sharia law is barbaric and insane. There are plenty of American Muslims who actively practice it, as they see their divine law as being above our secular one, and that scares the shit out of me. In that regard I don't think Trump is all that crazy.
Liberals are too cancerous with misleading and downright wrong facts and conservatives don't even state any real facts. Half of the conservative ideas are based off of Christianity, which is fucking retarded. Almost all liberal are just glorified SJW's. The problem with this political system is that it allows people to say and do shit that is obviously wrong with no one calling them out on it. Instead of blindly following an ideology and having a "one size fits all" methodology, how about we make and base decisions and opinions on logicality. This is why America doesn't need socialism, traditionalism, or moderation. America needs centrism, and that may be my opinion, but it's a damn good one
>>677506725
pick a major that has demand instead of feminist dance theory, take out student loans. you dont need a fucking car. get a job on or around campus.
>>677507068
youre a fucking idiot who has apparently gathered everything they know about the real world from reddit and 4chan threads. do some research
>>677517627
If ISIS wasn't so fucking brutal and cray, a simple GTFO policy would probably work... but any Muslim that sides with ISIS is bad news... ergo, we sortof need to keep Muslims happy so they don't go full kek.
>>677497980
ACTUAL RECENT QUOTE FROM DONALD TRUMP FOUND ON CNN:
"i like to dress up as Goliath
not everybody thinks that its cool, but i finally met a girl who thinks im a 10/10 would bang like bam in my Goliath suit.
she'd come over sometimes while her boyfriend was away after school.
once the door would close she'd almost instantly get naked. most times she'd put on her favorite song and start sucking. then she would cry. her tears and makeup would drip down her face onto my dick. its surprising how cold tears are. eventually i finally asked her what was wrong. in between licks she told me that her favorite song was also her bfs favorite song. so even though she loved hearing it and it totally got her pussy wet, it also made her think about the fact that she was cheating on her boyfriend. i dont think i ever came harder down somebodies throat then right after she told me that. she was beautiful. we dont hang out anymore. wanna get lunch?
this was the song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSPe8dIJEtw
>>677516703
I'm still not voting for him. He's taking away all incentive for me to try hard in life. The American dream isn't a right and not everyone can achieve it. I have a good job because I want to be doing better in life than everyone else. People act out of their own self interests. Where you end up in life is mostly a result of your actions. A black guy in the ghetto isn't likely to become a CEO but he can certainly do a lot better than his current situation.
>>677499841
Because his slogan ends in a preposition.
>>677517286
People have a higher standard of living now. If they didn't send those jobs overseas, things like toothbrushes and beanie babies would be way too expensive for normal people to buy. We're at the point where we are a post industrial, primarily service based economy.
There are plenty of jobs for people with skills, but not enough skilled workers (read about the skills gap if you want). We need to increase access to programs that help people become nurses, plumbers and engineers after they finish high school and alter our culture to no longer see college as an ideal end or attending a technical program as the consolation prize to be looked down on. We don't need any more philosophers or historians.
>>677498593
>showing up to min wage interview in a suit and tie with a 400 page binder
>>677518129
I know, I'm just saying that if I had too I would
>>677518129
Wow, a thoughtful and intelligent point. I like this guy.
Because I work hard for my money and I don't want to give more of it to the government so they can give deadbeats free shit. You people are stupid. Or your one of those who don't fucking work.
>>677497980
cause no one likes Canada
and all he is going to do is put us in more debt
>>677516703
Favors minorities more than he does equality. ants to allow potential terrorists into the country, who will live of welfare or take what jobs are left in America, that an uneducated person who likely speaks poor English, is qualified for. He doesn't want a secure boarder, thinking it's racist to not let criminals to become citizens. Immigrant that have no right to be Americans are taking the jobs of American citizens.
Burnout Bernie wants nearly double minimum wage and assumes smalls business to be able to handle the financial shock, and assumes big companies to pay high wages when they can get cheaper labor in other countries.
God Damn America
>>677518129
I know, I'm just saying that if I had to I would
