Which would win: 5000 Renault FT tanks or one M1 Abrams?
1 Magma.
>>677327587
Just attack at night
>>677328526
checked
The Abrams
Even though it's American, it'd still probably win. FT just ain't gonna be able to penetrate that armour.
Now how about a Leclerc against an Abrams? Even ground
>>677328348
Well meme'd my friend
>>677327587
There's no way the Renault's cannon can penetrate the Abrams armor, so I guess the M1 would one-shoot the Renault tanks until it ran out of ammo.
>>677329010
that would be what, 45 renaults dead?
the abrams can just crush them anyway, no need for a gun.
>>677328786
with modern tanks it doesn't matter if it's an leclerc Abrams leopard or whatever the one who can hit first wins
>>677329166
>>677329010
Those Abrams also have a 30mm chain gun on them for light armor. That would easily go through one of the renaults
>>677327587
The Abrams. Even though there are 5000 Renault FT 17 tanks the Abram's fucking 50 cal has enough penetration to rip the 17 to shreds. If you run out of ammo no worries as the rest will just run the fuck away because french.
>>677329283
>Unless you're in one of these babies
>>677329358
it has a .50, not a 30mm.
>>677329563
Sorry yeah I was thinking of a different tank mb
>>677329427
>2016
>people still mix up Italian and French stereotypes
>>677329460
not even that one ...
>>677327587
Neither.
The Renaults can't penetrate the armor and the Abrams will run out of ammo at some point.
>>677327587
maybe if there were some kind of cannon that fired the FT tanks at the M1
>>677329694
>implying 3rd Generation Dorchester armour - fully kitted with Reactive Plating - wont withstand a single hit
Why do you think tanks are armoured? For shits and giggles?
Renaults win of course. Why? Heres why.
>there is just too many Renaults and Abram soon runs out of ammo
>incapacitated when runs out of fuel
>eventually crew has to surrender or starve to death
If all 5000 Renaults could somehow fire simultaneously, the combined energy of impact would tear M1 apart.
>>677330062
for infantry ...
RPGs, bombs n shit...
>>677330126
So the Renaults' crews don't need food&water?
The 5000 renault tanks. The abraams could probably kill a few hundreds, for eventually it would run out of ammo, fuel and be surrounded by the carcasses of destroied renaults preventing him from using its mobility. Eventually the constant bombardment of the renault tanks would overcome the armor.
This
>>677329460
>2015+1 still using rifled guns
topkek
>>677327587
Tanks can't fly or float on water so both air plane and attack boats are better
>>677330244
And nobody, in the history or tank warfare, has even considered making a tank that can take at least one hit from another tank?
>>677330609
>not using HESH rounds
wew lad
>>677330585
>here we go
>5000
Ignoring everything else, isn't the Abrams fucked when it comes to ammo?
>>677330786
We'll see the problem is that they have to be mobile:)
Also, as much as people want armor they also want armor penetration soooo
>>677330786
>And nobody, in the history or tank warfare, has even considered making a tank that can take at least one hit from another tank?
the Germans see E-100
>>677330431
Yes they do, but they can leave their tanks when the Abrams is disabled.
>>677330062
Britbong detected
The T-14 Armata or the Abrams could easily penetrate and destroy your wonder-tank.
The Abrams has it's amazing ammunition and the Armata has the better gun and possibly armor.
The Leopard is probably not going to be able to penetrate due to it's outdated rounds,and Germany doesn't want to upgrade.
The armor is created to withstand HEAT shells from other targets.
Modern tanks don't even fight in close quarters anymore.
One round through the front and any tank is probably going to be a pile of parts.
The real danger these modern tanks face is infantry and their modern missiles,that have a much higher penetration and damage than tank rounds,and those piss-poor mudslimes won't ever be able to afford a proper tank.
One Abrams was reportedly destroyed by getting shot by another friendly Abrams in a single hit,the Armata and the Abrams have roughly similar penetration,with the Armata probably getting a 140mm in the future,which would tear those tanks apart.
The new Leopard design (which is sexy as fuck) uses 5th generation armor,and the Abrams is extremely effective in battle right now due to it's TUSK,which is great against the literally only problem they might have - infantry.
>>677331615
Implying Americans don't have a weeks supply of McDonald's at all times
>>677330786
>Implying a HESH round can do anything against a tank
>>677330786
>not using HESH rounds
you can easily protect a tank against HESH...
HESH doesn't penetrat...
>>677327587
This is exactly why I stopped watching top gear
>>677330786
>implying HEAT and ATGMs are not better than HESH
are you living under a rock?
>>677331807
this
>>677330431
abraham kills 1000 renaults. still 4000 left.
4000 renault is 8000 soldier. abraham crew maybe has 5 soldier? 50 soldier observe abraham. other get water/food.
>>677327587
5000 renaults.
why you may ask?
because the majority will surround the abbrams
then the crew members get out of tanks
and hijack the abrams
pretty much the same concept as shermans vs tigers>>677328786
>>677329010
>>677329166
>>677329427
>>677329460
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>>677329826
agree with the anon>>677330126
>>677332542
tiger was still the better tank tho
To be fair, the Abrams would kick ass, but the Renaults would eventually manage to break its tracks, then it would be just a siege. Can the Renaults last long enough (it would only take one) that the Abrams crew ran out of Ammo, food, and water, and had to abandon their tank.
One Challenger 2
>>677331519
Yes, they have to be light enough to be mobile and resistant enough to be able to withstand a tank round.
It's not impossible, my friend! If I may point you back to the Challenger...
>>677331807
>The T-14 Armata or the Abrams could easily penetrate and destroy your wonder-tank.
based on..? Only one Challenger 2 has ever been destroyed, and it was a friendly-fire incident that hit the open commander''s cupola.
Challnger 2 is the best armoured tank on the planet, prove me wrong.
>>677332038
>implying HESH rounds do nothing
>>677332040
>HESH doesn't penetrat...
That's literally the point of HESH, mate. Who bother about penetration when you can kill THROUGH the armour?
>>677332178
I ain't saying they're not better, but a HESH doesn't give a fuck about armour in the first place.
>>677332950
This nigger gets it
>>677327587
An M1 Abrams or an M1A2 Abrams (honestly,it doesn't even matter),would destroy any FT in a single shot (the FT has around....20mm? 30mm? of armor and 30mm of penetration),the Abrams gun can use HEAT ammo which would probably send one of these tanks flying a few miles back. Now then,the problem here is that the tank will run out of ammo/food/supplies.
An Abrams,i believe,can hold 42-46 rounds of APFSDS (only the newer ones,though,i'm not sure about the M1,though,regardless,it's the number that matters here.),so no,the Abrams would not win. The Abrams COULD just steamroll over them,though,but it would be very difficult,slow,and the engine would probably give up in a few hours. 5000 is a big number.
I reckon that if all the FT's surrounded the Abrams backside and started shooting the engine,they might have a chance to start a fire and disable the tank,though. The armor would deform after ~ 400 shots,probably. An easy feat for 5000 tanks,you could get a few FT's to surround it just so they can hold it in place.
>>677332726
No argument there. Tiger was vastly superior to the sherman. but the shermans were superior in numbers.
something like 4000 tigers vs 50,000 shermans
>>677334344
I love German armour , but the Patton series of tanks gets me all hot under the collar.
