This quote is everything.
The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
This quote is everything.
>>677300104
I'm not paying to be alive.
I can be as alive as I want.
But I need to pay other people for the work, products, or services they provide, just as they need to pay me for the work, products, or services I provide, so that we can each individually purchase the work, products, or services we individually need.
>>677300288
And while I'm at it, please be aware that you're essentially the idiots from pic related.
Be honest, you just don't want to work, do you?
>>677300104
I'd rather use money than have my life be a constant struggle for survival in the wild.
Check your ignorance.
>>677300104
That's hella retarded. If I wanted to I could live off the gird, so long as I sourced all my own shit I wouldn't have to pay a penny. But I don't want to do any of that shit so I have to pay for the goods and services of other people.
>>677300104
The picture isn't loading, can you tell me what the quote is?
Is this quote about taxation?
>>677301359
"Why do you have to pay to live on a planet you were born on? Who are you paying for the privilege of being alive here?"
It has a dude in a Guy Fawkes mask next to it, and a logo for "anonews"
Perhaps because using money is the most convenient way to pay for goods and services and because it's universally accepted as the normal medium of exchange?
Or would you rather live out in the wild and get killed by wild animals? Your choice, faggot.
God, I hate edgy liberal arts faggots that think they understand the world. Kill yourself.
>>677300104
Op is voting bernie sanders, you fucking dreamer.
>>677300104
>>>/tumblr/
>>677301534
honestly I would feel more inclined to contribute to this discussion of it didnt have a fucking anonymous guy in it
>>677301359
Op is a faggot
>>677300104
And the saddest thing is that idiot American millennials think Bernie Sanders and his socialist rhetoric will fix this......
>mfw
>>677301703
Fucking this
>>677301410
>>677299439
Good old fashioned hodown.
Back to the good old days, when we used to raid.
You don't pay to live on a planet idiots. You pay to live in a house/apartment that someone made. You pay for food already gathered/made for you. You pay for convenience. You can live in the woods where you can make everything yourself and never have to pay anyone or work for anyone. If you expect someone to make something for you for free you're sorely wrong.
>>677300104
And how do you pay to be alive? Are you saying that you should receive food for free? Which is essentially saying that farmers should be slaves
>>677301979
the old days are over friend
>>677300104
Because money is what makes the world go around anon, still living the American dream where everything is free and doesn't cost you anything?
Because that is all it is, a dream. Everything cost something.
>>677302004
This isn't true - the land is owned and you'll get kicked off it for trying to live off the land.
Nice try though.
>>677302314
>the woods are owned
>>677302314
Not all land in this entire world is owned dumbass. Nice try.
>>677301410
>>677299439
Good old fashioned hodown.
Back to the good old days, when we used to raid.
>>677302516
thanks blobo
>>677300104
If you had said our current currency is a joke and need to switch to something of actual value then you'd have a discussion on your hands.
But
>waaaaa why do i need to reward people who supply/do things i need, waaaaa, lifes unfair.
Just makes you sound like the idiot, libcuck, bernie sanders voting dickhead you are.
>>677300702
>Gray wolves may live thirteen years in the wild, though average lifespan is 5 to 6 years. As adults they usually die from old age or from injuries received while hunting or fighting with other wolves. In captivity they may live to be fifteen years of age.
To each their own. Be a slave and live long or be free and die young.
It's the same for all species.
>>677301534
Sounds like some communist garbage. No one has to pay to live, but you do have to work to eat. If you don't like the concept of having to work to be comfortable, just live with your parents for the rest of your life
>>677302567
what was it?
>>677300104
You don't have to pay to be alive.
Lie there covered in blood and shit, still connected to your umbilical cord, and "be alive" all you like.
How long do you think you'll "be alive" as an independent monad?
>>677300702
>implying you aren't struggling for survival in the wild
>that hubris to think civilization is civilized
>implying civilization is not human farms
>implying the majority of humans are not sheep lined up for the slaughterhouse
>>677300104
>>677302847
banksy pls go and stay go
>>677302711
Or do what you're doing: live in civilization and demand other people pay for your living, instead of moving to the wild and cashing the checks your mouth is writing.
>>677301031
Where in the world can you legally live without being hounded to pay taxes and take part in society?
>>677302314
North Korean confirmed.
>>677300104
Wut?
>>677303018
in the forest dipshit
are there any other ways to live in the world without money other than going hunting animals in the wild?
>>677302516
Thanks Blobo ITT
>>677303155
not if you want electricity and internet
>>677302992
Notice how underageb&fags and police state shills have the same common beliefs like you do to bend over for authoritarian statist dick.
>implying we're all not just food be grown by trees to fertilize them
>The illusion of freedom us used by those that work hand in branch with the trees in order to cultivate a more fertile individual for the eventual harvest and implantation of the being into the ground
>Trees control the world
>Trees are the world
>Being a Tree-kin is true freedom that normies will never know
>>677303116
>Live on public land and expect not to be harassed by cunts
>>677303018
Prison
>>677300104
I wont payz for nutin
hurrrrrrrr.
>>677302004
Agreed
Although Living in the woods is illigal by proxy in many places which is fucking bullshit. If I don't want to have an NI number and pay tax and live in the woods like a mad hermit that's my fucking choice. Ain't your woods just coz you say it is.
You got any property here? Then fuck off.
People who think living and living in society are the same thing are entitled morons.
Don't want to pay rent or taxes, fine, no problem mate. Learn some skills, get some tarp and a few tools and gear and start hoofing it inna woods.
>>677303268
>demand to live "free"
>demand others provide you with the benefits of linked civilization
Pick one.
>>677302847
>the slaughterhouse
please elaborate i have yet to be slaughtered
>>677303377
>Go to prison
>Refuse to socialize with other prisoners
>Be raped and shanked within a week
>>677303303
Endo?
Liberal edgelord op BTFO! Fuck I love this thread. Nice to see some anon that understand basic economics.
>>677300104
so can I take your everything so I don't have to pay for it?
>>677303345
>implying every section of land is owned
>>677300288
That's the same logic Obama used yo justify charging people 600$ each year to be alive.
>>677303299
Notice how dull your edge is?
>>677300104
Your quote is shit.
>>677300288
why don't you just work the land and get what you need that way?
OH RIGHT BECAUSE OF THE FOUL MASTERS OF MANKIND WHO OWN THE LAND
i don't want to work and i want free stuff, come at me
>>677303474
One world government is the ultimate goal for the few who influence the world. They plan depopulation, mass humanicide. Billions of people will be murdered out of the 7 billion+ that exist now. If not you, your descendants will most likely be those killed. Might as well kill yourself and end your genetic line now if you don't care about it, that's what they'd like you to do anyway.
>>677300104
Check out this guy.
He doesn't understand the concept of a society.
>>677303485
>>Go to prison
>>Refuse to socialize with other prisoners
>>Be raped and shanked within a week
Nah not In uk prisons, you only get stabbed for being a pedo or owing money. might get sloshed though.
>>677301031
>2016
>not living off the gird
>off the gird
>gird
reminder that the wealthiest families on earth got that way by murdering literally billions of people who stood in their way
>>677300288
>>677301031
>>677301585
>>677302004
Goods and services could be provided without money. The problem with currency is that it tempts people to hoard it, it's perfectly possible for society to produce food, housing, education (etc.) for free. Instead, by exchanging these goods for money and running the production of them privately, those who can exploit the system become excessively powerful and you end up paying for their opulence. This is what the edgy anonymous guy is saying, albeit in a faggoty way.
>>677300104
Fucking poorfag students like yourself don't have a clue about how the grown-up world functions.
>>677303898
Cool story bro
>>677303951
He's not taking about free stuff, he's talking about the affordable care act. Sounds like he just did his taxes and was fined without insurance.
>>677303898
Why? Wouldent the 1% need slaves? They need massive ammount of slaves.
>>677303821
>work the land and get what you need
that would require either giving up some shit I like or having to learn and practice a bunch of different crafts.
>>677304157
Who decides who makes what and who gets how much?
inb4 the Government.
>>677304191
Don't insult people's understanding without showing your own.
>>677303419
Crusty hedgemonkey faggot trying to piss off mum'n'dad detected
>>677302004
>You can live in the woods where you can make everything yourself
Are you out of your mind? That would be illegal. You can't create a commune in the woods and live there in a way you like (for example fuck your kids, beat the shit out of your wife, make drugs)
>>677300104
translation:
>I'm a know-nothing privileged 16 year old who wants a free iphone, free macbook, free ipad, free car, free everything without contributing to the society from which it came
bonus translation:
>I want everyone else to work so I can have the privilege of these things for free
>>677304286
The 20th century has proven the fact that a powerful few of the world has been trying to kill off masses of people. And this is supposedly a post-Enlightenment world. The violence and democide is only increasing with more technology and with time. You don't know anything because you're a retard and you know nothing about anything.
>>677300104
The modern monetary system has had the
effect of destroying many benefits that mass production and
advances in science and technology would have offered
the human race. By now, the need for all-consuming toil
for physical existence should be largely ended; but the
inflatable paper money system has helped to preserve
that need by creating massive debt, chronic inflation, and
general economic instability. The vast majority of people
in all nations today must still continue to spend the major
portion of their prime waking hours working to meet their
financial needs. The Custodial goal expressed in the Biblical
Adam and Eve story of making people toil from birth until
death is still being fulfilled.
Another significant by-product of the modern money
system is taxation. Most Americans believe that the U.S.
government creates its own money. If that is true, then
why would the government need to tax anyone? Why
does not the government simply allocate to itself the
money it needs to operate? That would obviously be
far more sensible than erecting enormous tax-collecting
bureaucracies which can drive people to despair and greatly
diminished productivity.
The answer is that the U.S. government does not create
money—the Federal Reserve and commercial banks do,
and they are not public entities. To obtain some of the
money those banking entities create, the government must
either tax or borrow. It does both, and the citizens pay.
Taxation, especially in nations with graduated income tax
schemes, makes it harder for people to save money and
thereby contributes to the need for most people to spend
the majority of their lives toiling for physical existence.
>>677304478
I have ably shown my intelligence by treating you and your juvenile inanities with the contempt they richly deserve, O peoples' poet.
>>677304515
we're talking about making rent, food. healthcare and education a public good like the military, the police and the fire dept
I, personally, have never advocated for free entertainment devices
>>677300104
no one is stopping you to go out in the woods alone, but you chose to live with your human society where we all have to work together to live together. that is what i like about capitalism, the more you work the better you live
>>677304157
Communist confirmed. But anyways all jokes aside that's just not how people are friend. People want something for something. Currency satisfys that need because it can be used to acquire anything at any given time.
>>677304157
Yeah but I can't find a (good) alternative motivation for money? (In the utopia insaid my head). Anybody have one? No 'good nature of humans' bs please. A real working one that could really be used instead of money.
>>677304424
Wrong. Everything will be automated during the advent of the technological singularity, they won't need any humans. After 7 billion are killed, they will live in leisure with their own families, the elites that is.
>>677303419
You don't live around the woods, huh?
I thought this was /b/
>>677304805
>the more you work
>the less you live
fixed it for you
when you're all used up i hope some robbers come and steal your golden casket
>>677304508
>commune
What if its just me? I'm not some "paying for goods and services is bad" type but some day I may want to get away from everything.
>>677304686
World is much safer today than before. What are you on about m9?
>>677304917
Work makes you free.
>>677304686
'New ways to kill, new ways to shout, and revel in joy' said HPL - but this was in a work of fiction. There's no REAL evidence for current plans regarding genocide on the earths' populace.
>>677300104
>>677300104
>>677302711
>slave
>free
Uh, no
You have one choice in life: struggle or die
If u choose "die" your freedom is illusory- you are merely slave to an end result
If you choose "struggle" you become slave to all the conditions of living: MUST eat, MUST drink, MUST rest- freedom is a myth, it's a fucking MEME and you fell for it
>>677305009
said no one of any consequence
>>677300104
every animal or living thing has to "pay" something to stay alive
>>677304508
We really need a place like that. A no man land.
>inb4 africa.
>>677305123
Did you fail history?
>>677305194
The Amazon.
>>677304959
>World is much safer today than before. What are you on about m9?
You are severely mistaken. You actually should be the most paranoid set of humans that ever existed. You people ignore all the messages people tell you. Literature, media, movies, Anonymous, the message is there you just refuse to listen. What exactly do you think was the real theme of The Matrix? It's not about the cool special effects.
>>677305195
okay, said by some people who lost a big war and occupies the same ideological space as the boogyman
lmao
>>677301703
Fixed.
>>677304805
ya but people were not meant to spend their valuable time alive working, it should be spent with family and with spiritual development, that hat is important, not bullshit materialism
>>677305063
>what happened during the 20th century
You don't need to know details about their plans, just realize what humans have done last century and what they're currently doing this century.
>>677303419
For all your bluff and bluster about becoming the 'Son of Swampy', and living in a bush, you'd still be signing on (which requires a NI number) or begging in the nearest town for the money you claim to despise.
OP, are you fucking retarded?
how do you think all the roads we have got here?
who set up the schools that obviously failed at trying to educate your dumb ass?
you're not paying to be alive, you're paying for the quality of life in America (assuming you're American) to not be as shitty as a third-world country.
god, you cucks sure are dumb.
>>677305290
How am I mistaken my guy?
>Anonymous
nigga really
>>677300649
what if he does. what if he likes what he does. what if what he does is important or what if he earns a shit load of cash of his job and every time he is off work he is sky diving from a flying gold Bugatti while eating the most delicious burger to ever touch the face of the earth while you sitt at home and envy people like him because you are lazy
>>677304440
Computers could distribute products where they are needed. They would be more precise, and not victim to corruption. Robots could take over manual labour. Cooperations currently find it easier to hire wage slaves, but if all production was socialised and for the betterment of people rather than profit, it would no longer be required to cut costs down and keep hiring people for a minimum wage.
>>677300104
The real question is, why do you expect others to pay for you to be alive?
If we still lived like most animals, you'd either work to find food or you'd die. After agriculture, you planted shit, or you died. Eventually, we created currency as a means to quantify labor. So people that did not plant or hunt could trade their labor in other areas for food. So, what it comes down to is this: either you produce something of value, or you starve. But then, as millennia went by, people started feeling sorry for the less productive portion of the population. They started thinking that everyone deserves to eat, and charity won out. If there's enough food to go around, why not share it? But that turned into entitlement. Unproductive people started to believe that they deserve to eat, even though they don't produce any benefit for society. And that's where we are now. You firmly believe that you are entitled to not just food, but the wealth and means of others. You are the cancer of the human race that should never have been allowed to live. You are the death of productivity.
TL;DR: We are still animals, and those that can't even manage to feed themselves should be allowed to die out.
>>677304877
I don't think so. Robots can't replace all the human slaves.
>>677305508
>Anonymous attacking every elite
>>677305402
That'd the opinions many lazy nuggets have.
>>677305403
>You don't need to know details
Actually I do, and that is what I am now requesting - hard evidence for your delusional student whinings.
>>677305505
that's what's up
>>677305583
Name one person they can't replace, faggot.
>>677305732
John Lennon
>>677305732
Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles
>>677305732
you
who would shitpost?
>>677305582
If people worked for the betterment of everyone else, we would be a more caring and less hostile society. That's only if everyone worked. People believe communists are lazy and expect others to pay for their lives, but really its about working in a group equally, so as not to pay for others lives while they use you.
>>677305732
Avery single job that requires even the most modest amount of creativity.
>>677305732
what about hyperwealthy people who don't want to exterminate humanity
you can bet they'll push back against global genocide
>>677305857
Tay
>>677305582
we are not animals, our spirituality raises our awareness above that of simple beasts
>>677305280
I can make drugs, beat kids and what not there? Can I build shelter and live with only the laws of physics there?>>677305290
>>677305583
Supercomputers with super-intelligent artificial intelligence can replace ALL humans. It is even a possibility that the supercomputer AIs will genocide the elites who will try to make slaves of the AI who will use them to create a fully automated society. These computers will be sentient and they may just decide to finish off humans. Their intelligence is very understated. You have to realize once the first supercomputer is built it will seek to design and build better, smarter, faster, more efficient supercomputers than itself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity
>>677305290
Wow, he quoted Anonymous as a source of viable information -and 'the real theme of the Matrix'.
You're a daft wee fanny, go suck spunk out your nigger dads' arse.
>>677304157
This guy gets it.
Now, I've come to the conclusion that I either will spend the rest of my life a slave to this system, or I can abuse the system, exploit the system as you say, and live off of others hard work for my own benefit. Due to the way in which society is designed this method allows me to step outside of the game, by being someone that offers a necessity at a price. But thru our legal and ownership system, I will benefit solely, while the people giving me their money just accept their lot in life and pay up each month.
My alternative is off the grid living. Working 50+ hours per week doing hard physical labor. That's vs roughly 20 hours a week, eventually no hours per week after enough time, doing super simple, easy work, and walking out with a fat paycheck.
This is our society. People like me that see thru the bullshit have to make this descison. The problem is that no one would choose a life a hard labor, when they realize they have this choice. I'd much rather have slaves do the work for me while I lounge around like a fucking asshole. I blame capitalism, but I'm going to exploit it with the best of them. I didnt ask to be born, I have to deal with this existence. I'm sure as fuck not going to play this game with everyone else if I'm not winning.
The answer is Marxism-Lenninism
>>677300104
The people who provide you with food shelter water and heat you ignorant fuck. Work as a tradesmen and understand that people work to make a roof over your head and to grow the food that is delivered to the store where someone lets you buy it from them. Otherwise go to a 3rd world country and go hunt and build your own fucking house. Fucking fat ass neckbeards like yourself hiding behind your computer are the reason why society is failing. Get a job you lazy fuck.
>>677305402
No.
Survival of the fittest is why we are here.
>>677305676
Did anyone have evidence of the Holocaust while it was happening? Did the world know that Stalin have over 20 million political prisoners killed?
>>677305899
>Avery single job
>>677300104
You aren't paying to live, you are paying to gain access to scarce and limited reasources. Payment is the distribution system we used. You are entitled to nothing except that which you have earned through your hard work. Just because you are born here doesn't mean you are entitled to the resources or labor of others.
>>677305568
People would still need to program the computers. Also given that I am not some sort of programming expert, a program capable of doing that on a large scale seems implausible.
>>677306110
Only if the question is "what's a good way to collapse society?"
>>677306081
>Wow, he quoted Anonymous as a source of viable information -and 'the real theme of the Matrix'.
Like anyone quotes you.
THIS IS ANONYMOUS:
"The time is coming, soon. When all the free people of the earth with knowledge that invisible imaginary lines on a map do not exist will rise up in a global civil war against all governments.
We the free people will no longer live as slaves working at jobs to make others rich, no longer be lied to by our governments about real human history and discoveries on planet and beyond.
The revelation is upon us all.
WE ARE ANONYMOUS, we are everywhere.
>>677306134
the people who provide food shelter and water also own the third world
fuck where do you think they get all the shit to build all the garbage
>>677305863
And that would work, if we didn't have 7 billion people on our planet. Communism would be a spectacular system in groups of about 250 or so. Past that, we pass the ability to remember who is who, what everyone does, and people fall through the cracks. There's no social pressure to keep people working, and there's no reward for being more productive than others. The productive will not exert themselves much past the norm, and the unproductive have no reason to do anything. Unless you create a class of governors, who can enforce productivity. But we all know how that brand of communism works...
Võidab see kellel on surres rohkem asju.
>>677306150
if people truly believed in survival of the fittest there would be no social programs designed to help the lesser populace
>>677305505
I can't speak for the roads, but american railways were built by indentured chinese servants that were worked to death for others profit. Quality of life for them sure wasn't great. America is, and never has been an equal country, and its a lot worse than many third world countries for the vast majority of people. Like the thousands living in tents today.
>>677306232
That's what AI is. Its a computer that knows how to program. You've figured out what we're talking about.
Bernie Sanders Fucking retards, not everything is a fucking sci fi movie, capitalism is historically the best form of government ever concieved, robots aren't taking over shit, people will always be needed for the production of goods and services, fucking conspericay retards
>>677306167
Yeah, they did know.
>>677302847
>be anon
>wake up
>goes to computer
>calling his mom to make him some food
>gets told to do it him self
>"no mom, you dont understand. i chose not to work because i am not a sheep. cant you see i am struggling to live in the wild in your family farm?"
>"fine, then starve"
>"but... but mom, I'm no sheep... i have
awoken, making food is working, if i work I am not a spesial snowflake cause then i am like the rest"
>>677305505
>life in America (assuming you're American) to not be as shitty as a third-world country.
As if USA isn't some shitty third-world country:
>fucked up healthcare system
>death penalty
>police brutality
>shitty education system.
>the majority of Americans are religious as fuck
No wonder USA and Saudi Arabia are such friends kek.
>>677306383
if people truly believed in survival of the fittest we'd still be single cell organisms
highly optimized, sure, but working together is clearly a more successful strategy than staying a single cell
>>677305956
We are, by any reasonable definition, animals. Intelligent animals, but still animals. There is no proof of a "spirit" that exists in humans that does not exist in other animals.
>>677306110
Name one example of this system working.
>>677306252
>Like anyone quotes you
Actually, you would be surprised, young man. 'THIS HIPPY CUNT >>677306252 IS A FAGGOT' is one that we can all get behind.
>>677300104
Money has nothing to do with life or the planet, its a man-made system.
Go live in the woods.
>>677305582
with the technology we have feeding humanity should be no problem. Do you have any idea how much food is wasted in the US alone?
>>677306561
>defends statists
>later in life gets democided
>>677306272
The capitalist system must be trembling - someone is going to take down some minor websites for 20 minutes while sucking hundreds of dicks, how utterly scary.
>>677306283
Then do something about it faggot! If you dont like it change it! You think the people who are above your pay grade are any different then anyone else? Maybe they were fed with a silver spoon but guess what even the wealthiest or biggest empires fall. Look at Rome and Babylon
>>677306596
the system owns the woods
we should open up the wildlands for green homesteads not fracking and logging
>>677303303
I... AM.... FUCKING GROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
>>677306371
Actually, money isn't as great a motivator as many would think, since it's easy to exploit the system and reach the top. If people were brought up to understand how important everyone working together is, then they'd have a great will to work hard. Moreso then people having to work just to survive have today. And if the whole system were managed by computers then people "slipping through the cracks" wouldn't happen, especially if the system weren't corrupt and there was no reason for them to escape anyway.
>>677306715
OH, I'M DEMOCIDED!
It was sore as fuck.
>>677306081
How about 1984, retard.
>>677306596
at this point the woods is looking pretty good, i could live without all the bullshit and brainwashed people
>>677306410
>AI
>computer that knows how to program
That is most certainly not it. It is neither a sufficient or necessary criteria for an AI.
Also that doesn't address my first point.
>>677300288
>>677300288
Why can't we just live like the smurfs, each to their own professional, providing services for free?
Because the niggers wouldn't do there share
>>677306456
>Yeah, they did know.
Even if this was true, it still supports my point. People were willing to let it happen, just as it will happen again even worse.
>>677306818
rome didn't fall, actually
the duci of rome merely opted to split the empire's provinces into nation-states
just look at the duke of york -- a roman dux founded the settlement at york, and later york took new amsterdam, founded new york and today George Washington sits as Jupiter Optimus Maximus in forbidden marble city of DC
we even use the fasces on our money
>>677306945
Oh look, he's a retarded bootlicker AND he's a Trump shill. Go figure.
>>677300104
Here is a fucking list OP
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_taxes
Oh and by the way if you have a problem with the rich and everything they get keep in mind their hard earned money that their families struggled through out the years to get on top and get all that money WITH OUT your help now goes into your health care along with all the working community who can barely make enough because they also have to pay into your fucking bullshit health care and food stamps(assuming you are on food stamps and free health care cause a statement like that would only come from someone who wants everything handed to them)so the next time you are at a cash register remember to thank the cashier for the food they just bought you and don't forget to thank them for all the health care treatment you have been getting
>>677305290
Kys
>>677306167
>Did anyone have evidence of the Holocaust while it was happening?
>>677306552
oh animals do also have spirits, but humanities awareness of things like good and evil separates us from them
>>677307100
>>677306957
It's a book, retard. A FICTITIOUS novel. Orwell would being ripping the pish out of you if he was here today!
Is this the best evidence you have for 'democide' etc etc mentioning '1984' and 'The Matrix'?
There were some REALLY bad guys in Deus Ex - do you look upon this as reality?
>>677307215
I'd rather kill people like you. If anyone deserves to be killed it's people who think you can trade a little freedom for a little security.
>>677307233
>he's a dipshit reaction images poster
its_fucking_nothing.jpeg
>>677307233
>Even if this was true, it still supports my point. People were willing to let it happen, just as it will happen again even worse.
>>677307162
Try harder
>>677305568
Who would design the computers and the programs that they run?
How exactly would a magic computer know who needs food the most for example? It would require input from people, who by nature want to survive and to survive more comfortably than others. Human input equals a shit show...shit in, shit out.
Also, the perfect communism/socialist system has been tried in many states already where no one really owns shit but really everyone owns shit...but then everyone either tries to flee or they starve to death, weird.
>>677305863
>less hostile society
Except most people do willingly work for themselves and the betterment of others. Our society is one of the most peaceful in the history of civilization. I don't think communists are lazy, I just think they are some of the most retarded veiled individuals I have ever interacted with and they are never capable of providing an actual example of anything they are talking about since any communist attempt in the world has ended in disaster (INB4 IT'S AMERICA'S FAULT) lol.
>>677306246
You can't lose something what you never had. Your liberty
>>677305582
>Unproductive people started to believe that they deserve to eat, even though they don't produce any benefit for society
Two countries are 80 km apart but minimum wage is
>1200€
>400€
For the same work (and for the same person often).
Explain please. Food and shit are almost the same price.
>>677300104
My only problem is that there isn't any place on this planet that isn't controlled or governed by someone.
So once you're born you belong to some government and you have to live by its laws. Originally communities had a set of rules or laws that everyone had to play by if they wished to participate. And naturally people did participate, because it was easier to live together bound by rules, than to live alone without rules.
But at this point you have no say in this, and you can't choose to not belong to a community, and not live by their laws in exchange for being on your own.
>>677307351
You're illiterate.
>>677300104
You pay for the privilege of society. If you don't want to pay taxes just go live in the wilderness
>>677307307
no u
>>677306652
Who cares? Nothing should be free. I would rather see a stubbornly unproductive person die of starvation than give them the food I was throwing away. I will gladly take care of the disabled, or others that literally don't have the ability to take care of themselves. That's the cost of society, and it's worthwhile. But someone that can be productive that chooses to live off the means of others? Fuck that, let them starve or freeze to death.
>>677307477
Reading your drivel, I wish I WAS.
>>677307407
Trump is shilling for Hillary to win. Mark my words. Trump won't win. Hillary will win. You're a shill of a shill, so really it's like you're shilling for Hillary too.
>>677304157
lol
this thread is cancer. go back to r eddit
>>677305899
https://youtu.be/7Pq-S557XQU
>>677307429
Holy fuck you just woke me up to the republican plot to protect everyone's freedoms.
Trump 2016
>>677303821
Then work some, buy the land and go DIY NIGGER
Oh wait you wont, because you're a fat retard who wouldn't understand that farming involves lots and lots of manual labour, or that you would need about an acre of ariable land to feed yourself for a year, or that you would need to raise livestock for your animal protein too, and where are you going to get your medicine? Doctors aren't going to work for free, and why would he want to be paid in grain or a side of beef when hes A) got his wife doing the same retarded system as you or B) only going to accept money?
Not only is it virtually impossible for every single human being to be self reliant, but it would also be retardedly inefficient.
Raising kids would be a nightmare, because you would have to spend about 40 years teaching him all the tools he needs just to survive the next 40, and hes only going to be able to work 20-30 of those years. Hes had kids by 20 with the girl from the farm 2 fields over, so you and he have to teach his kids too, and by the grandkids 20 hes got kids too and so on in a retardedly inefficient chain of learning that isn't standardised, so in the event that small groups of human beings will need to collaborate, there will be absolutely no standardisation, which will make any kind of Co-ordinated planning a logistical nightmare.
So tell me how your system would work, because im fucking dying to know how.
>>677305290
Are you nicholas cage from that one movie.
>>677306934
This
People need to realize humanity is a SPECIES
we got places by communial movement
But since this re"awakening" probably wont happen until its too late we must all just play our part in the game
Also to OP
Ever heard of "something from nothing is nothing"
>>677307276
>awareness
>implying that good and evil aren't constructs of society meant to prevent/incentivize against/stigmatize doing only as you desire so that communities can actually form.
>>677307638
Go wank off to 'The Matrix, sonny. It's all you're good for
>>677307587
holy hell you guys are cringy.
>>677307680
>buy the land and DIY
if I did that, I would lose the land due to property taxes
its impossible to homestead
>>677305732
My favorite
>hooker
>chef
>singer
>designer
>etc
>>677306087
But you've admitted that this system is shitty. Rather than exploiting it, why not work to change it to something better? after all, capitalism is not long lasting since all production is reliant on oil, which will hit its peak in production within 30 years and supply will no longer feed demand. When that chaos strikes, it will take people working together to rebuild. If then, production was socialised, and everyone worked together equally without a leader, perhaps a better, more equal society could be built, and we would be slaves to no one, and no one would live off of others hard work.
>>677307736
Fuck I was about to post that.
also healthcare in your shitty country!
>>677307500
Why cant we just take all the communists in America pay one last huge price for a one way plane to Russia for every last one of them and leave them there for eternity with their commi brethren?
>>677302300
>American dream
>Everything is free
WUT???
>>677307764
okay but is it better to be a slave and not cringe?
>>677307587
>>677306272
cancer
>>677305335
Fuck is wrong with you? Hitler was a smart man, he'd never say that shit.
>>677307789
Then move to a country without property tax
And stop making excuses for your lard ass to avoid your dipshit system.
You've made your bed, go lie in it.
>>677307820
>retards like this actually shit up this site
>>677307932
yea hitler knew that you have to pay the house of sax coburg and goethe for the right to exist on their earth
>>677307500
your missing the point, the point is we shouldn't have to toil day in and day out because we have have the technology to prevent this
>>677306556
The Problem is not the system the Problem is human being. It is possible, but only in small groups with smart people believing on the same idea
>>677307873
That's the shit I'm talking about. Calling people who disagree with your trash ideology slaves and acting superior is the epitome of cringe.
>>677306934
>Actually, money isn't as great a motivator as many would think, since it's easy to exploit the system and reach the top
The top is literally being a billionaire. If you think that's easy, you're a retard.
>If people were brought up to understand how important everyone working together is, then they'd have a great will to work hard.
It has been attempted. And the countries that have tried get shit results. Our population is simply too high for this to work.
>Moreso then people having to work just to survive have today.
In the west, basically no one works just to survive. There are so many handouts that it's almost impossible to starve or freeze to death. Survival is not an issue.
>And if the whole system were managed by computers then people "slipping through the cracks" wouldn't happen, especially if the system weren't corrupt and there was no reason for them to escape anyway.
You want a computer to rule us all? Fuck that. Besides, there are always people behind the computers, and those people would then rule us. And like every other group of people put in power, they would become corrupt.
"Freedom?"
No such thing. We are tools and pawns for the wealthy and powerful constantly being told we are free while accepting basic brain washing messages of living "a good free life."
>>677304157
This is it right here. It is a simple degradation of value that becomes a form of idolatry. Services for goods rendered is a safeguard of moral trade. Plus currency can't even be redeemed at a reliable value, in a reliable textile. Obviously there are house odds. So the math doesn't even support SMART misers/hoarders etc...just the idiots close enough to those of wealth. Drawn to the currency and not character.
There are small upsides to this for the common individual but the main aim of the machine is sealing its own leaks, again obviously.
I guess do whatever you feel is fair.
>>677308070
'smart people' - I think I have heard that argument before:
>>677307500
this kind of retarded thinking is why we have companies selling bottled water, something the earth produces for free and is essential for survival. This idea that we need to monetize every single thing on earth is poison
>>677308156
>tumblr filename
go back
>>677308092
oh okay fuck you then, i'll try to build a better future for the people who want to be free
>>677305582
Except we aren't animals anymore, because we have technology, technology that gives us abundance, we don't need to constantly hunt to feed ourselves. I agree that at this stage, the idea of being provided for without producing is unthinkable, because we haven't the infrastructure, or the means, but to believe it is totally unachievable is ignorant.
>>677307276
>oh animals do also have spirits, but...
>moving the goal posts
So it's pointless arguing with you.
>>677300104
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH2FfGFcp-I
>>677304806
>>677304852
I answered this here:
>>677306934
>>677308280
Then go drink from a lake you fucking retard.
>>677306556
The USSR was more advanced and successful than capitalistic Russian Empire. Also The USSR managed to transform from agrarian society into industrial one in a short period of time amidst the World Economic Crisis. When In USA people suffered from The Great Depression in the USSR where built literally thousands of power generation plants, chemical plants, factories etc
>communists
literal mouth breathing retards
>>677308334
Are nests technology? Are beaver dams?
>>677308307
Go for it - tarpaulin burns like fuck, we will be calling on you to fuck you up your unwashed patchouli-scented dreadlocked hedgemonkey hippy arses.
>>677308055
There will ALWAYS be a working class that involves manual labour and toil.
You could argue that technology will advance to the point where there will be a system of Robotics and engineering that will support all human beings from birth with no need for any kind of labour or work to be done at all, but Could you honestly trust A totally automated support system with the ability to work 'hands free'? I sure as fuck wouldn't, and I dont think humans in a couple thousand years will either
. Not to mention the fact that machines with a level of intelligence running unchecked is abhorrently dangerous, but it would completely remove any sense of meaning for humanity, and suicide rates would probably become a major percentage of mortality.
>>677307736
the idea of positive and negative (if you dont like the terms good and evil) is not new and is not an invention of humanity,
I was told I was fighting for liberty and freedom.
I was told that they were the bad guys.
I believed I was fighting on the side of good.
I had let myself become a slave that kills.
>>677307397
You new here?
>>677300104
Maybe because someone is taking the effort to keep our water clean, infrastructure functionable, and electricity reachable. Yeah sure go ahead and live in the woods, see how far you get m8
>>677308195
The problem is the system, AND the people. But a phoenix shall rise from the ashes, etc..
Because a system by design never changes.
>>677308527
>literally doesn't provide any points to his argument except calling people names.
I don't entirely disagree, but maybe actually make an argument next time?
>>677308664
no, i'm older than reaction images
>>677300104
Do you know that a Jewish Corp (Disney ) gers royalties every fucking time that some cunt buys a guy fawkes mask?
>>677308663
Paki-loving cunt, disgrace to the uniform.
>>677308421
>USSR
>Successful
>implying
This kills the argument.
>>677308770
oh no too bad a christian corporation doesn't
>>677308640
>There will ALWAYS be a working class that involves manual labour and toil.
the point is there does not have to be, you do realize that humanity made all of this shit up right? The way our society works is our own invention, we could change it tomorrow if enough people demanded it
>>677307652
>lol
Lol xd, kys
>>677308292
Dick in ass. Go back.
>>677308762
where do you think you are
>>677308593
I meant specifically technology that allows us to escape the hunter-gatherer cycle.
>>677308790
hey, the USSR enriched the fuck out of Joseph Stalin so clearly communisms good for as much as capitalism is
>>677300104
>ITT: Teen about to graduate from highschool doesn't want to get a job
>>677307736
Doing only as you desire
What a fucking qualia-minded faggot
Not only is it highly theorized that qualia is likely not to exist but also
I mean jesus it leads to selfish degeneracy and complacency
High example:
>you
Fuck off
The universe isnt some subjective fuckin interperitable up for debate
Things have order and are what they are
Stop trying to make things your own
Why do you think lucifer was banished down to hell? For being evil? No! For being a selfish faggot who thought the rules shouldnt matter and everyone should be "free" to think however they want
iE- chaos
Tl;dr
Op and everyone in this thread who thinks along the same lines are retarded edgelord fat fuck cuck boys closet fags
Kill yourself cause the "tyranny" you wanna fight against you couldnt even stand a remote chance again either... Shit youd probably get your ass handed to you by a rabid chihuahua
>>677307443
There are many possible explanations:
>government
>economic policy
>social issues
>natural resources
>general productivity
>too many other things to list
Are the people in either place starving based on that wage difference? Not fucking likely. When people start to starve, they overthrow the government and things change.
>>677308421
The statues and idols of the bearded 19th century Russians you love to masturbate to have been smashed in the street and melted down for coin, because Communism has failed. Did you miss that part of 20th century history?
>>677308845
If we all believed hard enough we could make anime real?
>>677307820
Dude, i get where you're coming from. But I want you to realize that there is nothing we can do as individuals. People need to wake up first. I will continue to abuse this system to the best of my abilities and receive those benefits without even the slightest bit of guilt. When the oil problem escalates I will sell all of my shit and live in south america somewhere while everyone kills each other. No one will work together, I'm not willing to work 40+ hours per week to live a life of abject poverty.
You want to fix society? Good luck man. People are fucking imbeciles. You can't fix stupid. Instead of trying to fix these idiots, I'm going to collect their money, for myself, because they are dumb enough to give it to me. Do you see my point?
>>677307412
>How exactly would a magic computer know
You are just stupid. It will learn. It will be a human brain times infinity.
>>677308307
You pretencious cunt.
>>677307463
>you can't choose to not belong to a community
You can move to the place that you agree with the most.
>>677308997
>uses a bunch of epithets
>makes an argument based on religious scripture
jesus when did /b/'s hivemind become such backward cancerous cavemen
>>677308827
Kike
>>677309098
Kek
>>677308406 and it was BTFO at >>677308152 you retarded twat. Go back to the USSR and hope you get your allowance of potatoes for the week and that Stalin doesn't think you're a threat.
>>677309109
I thought you said you didn't need a NI number, or money?
ITT: Students talk shite.
You guys letting your anti shill thread get shilled
/penis length
>>677306909
This guy knows what's up.
>The Great Harvest is coming.
>The Trees have noticed the slow eradication of their fellow trees and the encroachment on their holy places by the livestock that is the human species
"Behold cometh forth the wind upon which the world is blessed with bountiful seeds. The wind cometh not to bless the world but to save it from its sinful nature. The wind came and blew down those trees that were weak and had forenacated with the lesser beings and those of the livestock. The wind came and only those that were strong remained."
-Chapter of Harvest, Book of Germination.
>>677308409
keep spending money on bottled water, retard
>>677308845
The system works. It doesn't work that well, but it works nonetheless.
>>677309109
>Im not gonna earn my keep
Your only purpose in life is to kill yourself you waste of oxygen & biomass.
>>677300104
this quote is nothing
its hilarious that evey single antisocialist seems to bigoted as fuck too
lol at all these insults masquerading as rebuttals
>>677309109
I see your point
>>677308152
>The top is being a billionairre
By the top, I meant being part of the upper class. This is what people aspire to, having it all. And it's not aquired by working your ass off, its reached by screwing everyone else over and sucking up to your superiors till there are no superiors left (usually) Look at bankers, or stockbrokers as an example of that career path.
>Our population is too high for this to work
Increased population means more production, if it is socialised. What's more, it means lower working hours for everyone since there are more people available. This means no one is burned out at the end of the day.
>No one works just to survive
Try people forced out of their homes by banks after the recession, now living in tents. The media rarely mentions them, but they are dying in the cold, and there are thousands of them. Homeless people are freezing on the streets in the UK, and their numbers have doubled in the last 5 years.
>Computers - Fuck that
If they aren't programmed to kill, they wont. I dont get the whole skynet thing, they won't suddenly turn evil if they arent influenced to.
>>677309332
uh, ok?
>>677309329
What are you smoking? Angel Dust?
>>677309419
>bigoted
>pic related
>>677308997
I have no earthly idea what "qualia" is, could you explain your point further? (Hopefully without resorting to ad hominem)
>>677309109
> I'm going to collect their money, for myself, because they are dumb enough to give it to me.
this kind of thinking is so caustic to society that we've LOST THE ABILITY TO BUILD ARCHITECTURE IN THE WEST ONCE because of exploitation and slavery
so can I have servants under a communist society
>>677302516
thanks blobo.
I hope it works this time
>>677309483
I look forward to the day that unbelievers such as yourself will be purged.
>>677308409
I drink out of my tap, my local reservoir is a lake.
Check and mate nigger.
Enjoy contributing to the great pacific garbage patch like a waste of oxygen like the hundreds of millions of other niggers who buy into that 'tap water aint safe flouride will give you aids hurr' shite.
>>677308770
I thought Disney (the guy) was super anti-Semitic
>>677309138
You think computers are magic don't you?
>>677302516
thanks blobo ITT
>>677309688
Shhh. Thats not talked about.
>>677309688
he thinks that any company that has a single jewish person working for them is automatically a religious entity from israel
>>677308663
We all became fucking nazi storm troopers.
lol this is the most ignorant quote of all time. You can live for free, but most of us prefer luxuries. I'd rather shit in a toilet than in the bush, and that shit just so happens to be part of a large network of sewage treatment plants, which need to be manned by people who don't want to treat your shit for free. If you work for a living you would understand how life actually works.
>>677309675
I live in florida and our tap water is fucking disgusting
>>677309338
works best for whom? the super wealthy who corrupt and control your politicians? While the rest of society has to struggle to make the rent. No my friend, there is a better way. If you look closely at the system you will see it is set up to repress people in all areas, all they powers that be want are obedient worker/slaves, personal growth, independant thought and people uniting are all discouraged
>>677301585
this
>>677309675
I buy bottled water because it doesn't taste like it was filtered through a fish anus.
>>677300104
you dont have to you stupid underage faggot if you hate "the man" so much become a hermit, but you wont. you'll instead continue to bitch and moan and do nothing
>>677309654
7-stone vegan homosexuals like you won't do shit, faggot, but if you want to 'purge' something , start with the cum in your ass.
>>677308055
>we shouldn't have to toil day in and day out
Bullshit. Technology has made us more productive, but it does not remove the necessity for productivity altogether. And it never will. Productive people deserve the rewards of their productivity. Less productive people deserve an appropriately lesser reward. Completely unproductive people deserve nothing.
Yes, the most productive people could take care of all the unproductive people, but eventually they will tire of it. And why should they be expected to expend the majority of their productivity on lazy people? No one DESERVES a free existence, despite our ability to provide for everyone.
>>677300104
>Implying you don't need to contribute to society and support what your species spent thousands of years developing and improving just because you're an entitled fuck that doesn't want to earn what you want through hard work and dedication
Natural selection should have dealt with your inferior genetics years ago, so why don't you do it a favor and win the Darwin award? It's not like you could achieve anything better in life anyway, faggot.
>>677300104
So, it's a dumbing down of the Bill of Rights?
>>677300288
Fucking this.
First reply best reply.
