Bernie Sanders / Communism discussion thread, continuing from:
>>676957461
OP
his thread
his life
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>>676990979
Wow, what a productive discussion about socialism taking place among towering intellects. Tell me, what's the standard Trump-SA procedure for getting cum stains off of your brown shirts when you're done jacking each other off?
>>676992432
I was hoping for some from the last thread to continue discussions here, so I was just bumping with dank memes. Seems like no one else made it. :'(
Darn, there was a communist last thread who was telling me how he planned on convincing people to give up all property to the state. I was so curious as to what his response was going to be. Darn shame.
This is now a trump thread
>>676992432
>brown shirts
>reductio ad hitlerum
kill yourself and your fallacious bullshit too cuck
>>676993446
Fuck yeah
>>676990979
Socialism is not communism nice bait though
>>676990979
In murrica' Socialism=Communism.
Hurr durr TRUMP!
>>676992192
At least you tried
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>>676994100
>pic related
>>676993948
>Socialism is not communism
There are only two kinds of socialists:
Those who want to be someone's bitch, and those who want to take advantage of bitches.
And the only difference between socialists and communists is how rough they like it.
>>676993773
>your mockery is fallacious!
You seem to be confusing an argument with an insult. Here's how you can tell the difference: if an intelligent person is talking to you, it's assuredly an insult because no educated person would hope to have a productive conversation with a mindless, economically-entitled precariat drone in the midst of a proto-fascist temper tantrum.
>>676991979
Mussolini and Hitler were NOT socialists!!!!!!!
Mussolini WAS a Socialist in his younger days.
But he created the world's first Fascist party and government.
Hitler HATED socialists.
They were the first people imprisoned when the nazis took power.
Stalin lead a "Socialist" nation, but was himself a conservative. He distrusted the people, never understood Marx or Lenin, took away workers control of production, and relocated or starved millions to spur "russification".
3 Rightist dictators.
>>676993776
compassionate guy here and i give food to the homeless with my own money whenever i have the chance
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>>676989680
Seriously nigger?
I need one working example of capitalism.
If you're going to claim that the ones all the way down the regular list aren't pure socialism, nd rely on some capitalism, I can just as easily point out that the ones down your list aren't pure capitalism and rely on plenty of socialism too.
hooray, you just failed your first week in freshman econ class. Ready to quit being retarded now?
>>676990979
do you niggers want me to get /pol/ in here?
DO YOU?
Keep up this faggot shit and I will get your father in here
>>676994914
>Mussolini and Hitler were NOT socialists!!!!!!!
Nazis = National SOCIALISTS
>Hitler HATED socialists.
Socialists hate other kinds of socialists, this is nothing new.
>Stalin lead a "Socialist" nation, but was himself a conservative. He distrusted the people, never understood Marx or Lenin, took away workers control of production, and relocated or starved millions to spur "russification".
So what? He was still a commie
>>676995172
>do you niggers want me to get /pol/ in here?
Fuck, when is /pol/ not infesting half of the boards on 4chan with their unfunny shit? You house niggers don't know how to stay in the concentration camp.
>>676995172
I dare you.
Bitch
>>676994965
Good for you! Socialists want to force everyone to give to the poor. That's called theft.
>>676993948
It's ok, when you call them on that angle, they'll just start railing against authoritarianism (oh irony) and call that socialism. Anything you can think of that's bad, just go ahead and call it socialism, bc obviously socialism is bad and thus it must be synonymous.
>>676995161
>implying anyone loves a socialist
>>676990979
True, it is in fact the same Socialism that succeeded in every way yesterday, saving America from the biggest economic disaster in its history.
>>676995455
When is socialism NOT authoritarian?
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>>676995522
>saving America from the biggest economic disaster in its history.
https://mises.org/library/how-fdr-made-depression-worse
>>676995522
Winning WWII did way more to save America's economy than FDR's policies did.
>>676994607
So you think America is a communist country?
because we have socialist programs: social security, regulation of corporations, EPA, and several agencies that regulate the economy. Its not black and white its a spectrum. come back when you're not retarded.
>>676990979
>my corporatism is not the corporatism that failed during this sentence
>>676995443
When we take from the poor and working classes to give to the rich, it's called capitalism. When the poor and working classes try to take their wealth back from the rich, it's called heresy against the sacred theology of Ayn Rand.
When the rich finally start taking from my lily-white ass it's called NOT FAIR TIME FOR FASCIST TAKEOVER REEEEEEEEE
>>676995338
>Nazi = National SOCIALISTS
lol
Bad bait, but funny bait nonetheless
>>676993773
>muh fallacies
Take that fedora tier shit back to plebbit with you.
>>676994607
Lenin's and Marx's invented the teleological end goal in communism. As an idea, socialism existed long before they even thought that up. Marx viewed both capitalism and socialism as means to an end (in communism.) Not all socialists are communists, but all communists are socialists.
>>676995652
When is any new government being put in place not immediately authoritarian, to the people who don't support it?
Never.
can someone give me a basic run down of what this guy is all about?
>>676994914
You realize you basically just proved OPs picture correct, right? You refuse to believe that socialism can fail.
No true Scotsman logical fallacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
You don't show how their system of socialism was flawed, you just try to say they weren't socialists which means you don't have to explain why their system failed.
>>676996135
I don't know if I'd call the Early American period authoritarian, but it certainly was a herrenvolk democracy.
>>676992432
There's no such thing as productive discussion about socialism. It's a failed economic system and only belongs in the brains of cucks like Sanders
>>676996206
Sex with animals.
>>676992298
where does this guy / meme come from?
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>>676995522
That was social democracy, not socialism. You can tell because capitalism still exists. The New Deal simply enabled the capitalist ruling class to keep their power after the economic collapse and led to the corrupt political-economic system that is now fucking you over today!
Here's the cycle of social democracy:
Crisis - Progressivism - Social Democracy - Reaction - "Crony" Capitalism - Crisis
You ready to get off yet and become a real socialist?
>>676996500
lol.
>>676996511
There is nothing wrong with pointing out a logical fallacy when people commit a logical fallacy you fucking idiot.
>>676996320
It was if you were a British loyalist.
Or one of the 7 nations native murricans expecting your freedom from oppression and state endorsed murder lol
Ok I guess it's not really funny, but still... a little lol
>>676996738
Technically, just sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "LA LA LA LA" does work even better.
>>676995443
>Socialists want to force everyone to give to the poor.
FALSE!
Socialists want to force everyone to give to the socialists themselves.
After the socialists take what they want for themselves and their cronies, they may use whats left to buy the loyalty of others.
>>676990979
Fascism has failed in the U.S. for 35 years now thanks to Reagan and his cucks.
>>676990979
Sanders is not a communist. Sanders is not a socialist. Sanders is not a democratic socialist. Sanders is not a democrat. Sanders is the first and final coming of our Dark Lord. He and his brood will rule our hemisphere for the final century of man. We will laud his beauty until our throats run hoarse and spill our life blood on the sand. You will all feel the heat of his gaze as his righteous anger sweeps away the dregs who refused to believe. Convert now or ensure your future doom, skeptics. Those of faith will be rewarded when the Dark Lord takes his throne in the white castle. Or you know, whatever, vote for Trump... he's evil too.
>>676996886
Yeah, except my argument has substance beyond just claiming the logical fallacy. So no, in fact you are the person just sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming.
I have a point, you don't. You are just pissed off about me pointing out a logical fallacy.
Go fuck yourself.
>>676995960
Theft is still theft. Can you demonstrate otherwise?
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>>676997332
>Theft is still theft. Can you demonstrate otherwise?
So you're agreeing that capitalism is theft from the working classes?
Oh look this fucking thread again.
Back to pol you fucking retards
>>676996302
I was not discussing the validity of Marxian Socialism.
I was responding to a post showing mussolini, Hitler & Stalin as "socialist" dictators.
I simply illustrated that NONE of them were socialists.
>>676996832
Oh, It definitely had authoritarian impulses, but not necessarily on the same scale of Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia or to the same effect. Hence why I called it a herrenvolk democracy. It's rewards freedom to the in group, white land owning males, and had little regards for the outgroup. loyalists, indians, niggers etc.
>>676997491
cuck spotted
>>676996738
You belong on reddit.
>>676997687
>republicuck detected
republicans oppose unions, the only barrier between an honest worker and a boss wanting to assrape you out of fair pay
who's the fucking cuck lol
>>676997332
What? I might as well say "A is A, can't prove otherwise!" That's completely retarded. I mean, can you imagine making a stupid tautology like that the basis for your entire worldview? You'd have to be the dumbest fucking bitch who ever lived to think that shit is some kind of profound statement or...
Oh, wait.
You are not entitled to the product of someone else's labor.
>>676990979
Well he is american so that makes him a american socalist, a national socalist.
Bernie sanders is a nazi
>>676996500
Answer this:
Why did Hitler imprison Socialists, Communists and trade unionists once he was in power?
Nazism allows for only the "master race", which is NOT socialism, which applies internationally and universally.
So how do you reconcile this quote with Hitler absolute hatred for socialists and Marxists?
>>676998306
this is not really the question
the question is how to uphold the implicit contract, that if you contribute to an enterprise, you share in the profit of that enterprise
that contract has been broken because republicucks have fucked up the unions
and still trumptards think their bosses they work for have their interests more at heart than the govt
how fucking stupid can you be
>>676998371
I would make fun of you, but I'm worried that you actually have some sort of serious mental disability.
>>676998395
to be fair, Stalin imprisoned trade unionists too. the logic being that they aren't needed under Stalinism.
>>676990979
What an ugly smile..
>>676997972
>i deserve less pay than men
stopped right there.
>believing in the gender wage gap.
you apologist liberal cucks wont be satisfied until you're paying jamal to breed your wife mom and sister.
democratic socialism is bad. look at canada, that place is a hellhole.
>>676998938
i don't believe in the wage gap either you fucking imbecile
that study was flawed as fuck
not all liberals are SJWs, i fucking hate them. all i want is sensible state finances and bernie is suggesting that, e.g. services which the govt does better/cheaper are actually done by the govt
take your 2 iq brain elsewhere
>>676998371
Dear moron:
Your post is utterly illogical.
You know nothing about political ideology.
The "national socialists" weren't socialists at all!
Nazism is based around a belief that an Aryan master race should rule all other subservient races.
All wealth and privilege goes to the "aryans".
How the fuck do reconcile an elitist racialist ideology with socialism, which is an egalitarian universalist movement???
>>676996500
Yeah, but that's Hitler. He said whatever he thought he needed to to get into power, and later backtracked on it, regretting the attachment of the word "socialism" to their movement.
>>676997488
We the working class get things done for the company so they can make profit. They compensate me. Then the government takes a quarter of it. The company is paying me fine, it's the government that's stealing from me. Take out what you need from the check but don't give it the the poor, who are mostly just lazy. I know, because I live in the ghetto.
HEY RETARDS!!! Hitler being a socialist doesn't make any or all forms of socialism bad. Hitler was evil because he was a fascist who killed millions of innocents. Not because of any of his economic policies.
>>676995967
You're retarded, Nazis were the National Socialist German Workers' Party
>>676990979
Read Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged. Skip most of the end tho. She gets preachy.
>>676998640
True, but as I said, Stalin was emphatically not a Socialist.
He used his position as General Secretary to jettison both Marx and Lenin as the basis of the Soviet state.
He mouthed marxian-leninist rhetoric, but ruled as an autocrat.
>>676999433
you're a fucking idiot if you think your boss has your own interests at heart
do you even know how fucking easy it is without regulation or unions for workplaces to conspire into an oligarchy and assrape you out of fair pay
>b-b-but muh capitalism magically fixes wages
you're a fucking idiot that doesn't understand the flaws of the free market
>>676998938
These Trumptroopers seem unnaturally obsessed with cucking. Is it because they had an african-american stepdad who took away the attention they wanted from their mommy? Have they been repeatedly cheated on and dumped for men who aren't mouthbreathing date rapists? Do they secretly want to dress up in a lacy SS uniform and matching black panties and get gangbanged by a professional football team? Genuinely curious.
>>676993446
Every thread is always a Trump thread.
Hail our national overlord and his assumed power!
>>676997795
This
>>676996334
I think you probably mean communism, which would be true. Trouble is, so is capitalism.
Both make better religions than they make economic models. It's no different than debating a Christian on jeebus. Pointless and fruitless.
>>676997491
Why don't you go suck a big black cock you low-test beta male cuckhold faggot?
>>677000026
The end IS the point of the whole book.
It is John Gault explaining Rand objectivist philosophy.
It's all about GREED.
>>676996334
>Failed economic system
Hi. It's the rest of the civilized world, including where you live. Did you know that socialism is literally everywhere, and led to the economic boon that we have?
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see
>>676997972
you next level fucking retard
>>676997033
This, under socialism, the wealth is taken from the rich and given to the government, not to the poor. This is what people seem to forget about socialism.
>>676997972
>republicans oppose unions
Anyone with half of a brain opposes unions. They limit competition and only benefit their members and union leaders.
>>676997488
Yes because the guy who grills my cheeseburger deserves to make as much as the CEO of google.
>>677000346
I don't care if my boss doesn't have my best interest at hand. You think because your mommy loves you so much that strangers should, too. I provide a service for my company, and the company gives back to me. Why can't I be happy with that? Why isn't that fair? Just because I don't have a billion dollars and a mansion I can't be happy? You're a cunt who spent too much time "studying the effects of" blah blah blah and not enough time ACTUALLY LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY'S WORKFORCE. Capitalism isn't a perfect fairy tale of a system, but it works fine. Stop bitching.
>>676999982
On behalf of everyone who does, please learn something about the words you're typing, before typing them again.
Aaand after you're done feeling stupid, we look forward to you rejoining the conversation.
It's okay, we've all drawn an obvious but incorrect conclusion and shot our mouths off about it without realizing how much more there was to know about it.
>>677000918
Black cock, too. Man, these guys can't stop talking about it. I bet when they issue the Trump-SA uniforms the armbands will have a giant black penis instead of a swastika.
>yeah, go suck on a black cock faggot
>and let me put my sissy maid uniform on and watch so I can jack off to that hot cuck action
>>677001051
Communism.
>>677001039
Lul try harder. 3/10 for making me respond
>>677000346
well good thing regulation and unions exist then right? What is your point?
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>>676995161
Go be a faggot somewhere else.
>>677001270
Are you this stupid in real life? Just wondering.
>>677001165
perfectly explaining why they exist in the first place
because coal miners in England were getting assraped via massively unfair play leading to slums, 16 hour work days, crime and just a shit society
oh right, you've been sucked in by the idea that the restriction of competition is not worth versus having a shit society
>>677001005
>It's the rest of the civilized world, including where you live.
Try again. Capitalism is at the base of every current economic system, with certain "social democratic" elements.
Sweden, Denmark, and the US have all seen slow-down of per-capita GDP thanks to overzealous redistribution
>led to the economic boon
Maybe in your fantasy land. FDR extended TGD and current progressive policies continue to limit market activity and competition.
ITT a bunch of dumb fucks who barely passed high school economics classes not realizing that an economy which concentrates too much wealth at the top is inherently unsustainable.
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>>677001051
none of you understand how economics or government works, sorry.
>>677001679
In case you missed it, it was sarcasm and in case you didn't miss the sarcasm, explain how I am stupid.
>>677001668
u mad, fag
>>677001039
I have been voting for 34 years, and Senator Sanders is the first major party candidate for chief executive of the USA who totally represents my political stance.
If you aren't a Socialist, you are free to criticize our positions, but saying nya-nya-nya and referring to us as children, is simply empty rhetoric.
Are you for Trumpler or Cruz the theocrat?
>>676996334
I only checked one of those: a job that pays less than $15/hr. I just started school for a STEM-related degree.
>>677001668
>Go be a faggot somewhere else
>because I can't resist all this talk of cucks and black cock
>fuck I'm gonna start diddling my micropenis if you keep it up
>OH TRUMP! CUM IN MY FACE DADDY!
>>677001288
>works fine
look up forced labor
look up brick kilns in pakistan
look up modern forms of slavery
you're a new godlike kind of idiot that deserves a fucking medal for next level shit tier opinions, and glaring obliviousness to how unregulated free markets have fucked societies over
>>677001788
What redistribution are you talking about? Do you have any clue how wealth is distributed in the US today as compared to history?
>>677001668
Go be a nazifag on the downlow with your negro boipussy.
>>677001516
God damn Americans are fucking dumb.
I mean, the world makes fun of them for it, but seriously, there are about four hundred types of government to study, and i's like Americans have only heard of 5 and even make sense of those.
I mean holy fuck it's like you were all inbred farmers a century ago educated by e bahbul and higher education is entirely new to you and is still regarded with fear and suspicion and should be defunded in favor of religious schools or something.
l
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>>677001723
>Le we would have 100-hour workweeks without unions
Anon, why aren't you working right now? If you wanted to, you could earn some extra money if you picked up a part-time job, right?
The free market has had solutions to long working hours and wages for decades. Look up capital goods.
>>676997491
I don't know what's funnier the person wasting their time making this meme or people believing this is how trump supporters act.
>>677001788
are you this stupid
sweden had the highest growth of any european country during the recession
where do you read these fucking lies
80% of taxes paid in sweden go directly back to you
inform yourself before broadcasting your shit tier opinions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDAQWJbEl9U
>>677001878
It only works one way, and ONE WAY ONLY.
THE WAY OF SAINT REAGAN AND HIS JEWS
EVeryone else is stupid and evil.
>>677002388
wrong link, this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG51uCrYxVM
>>677002109
>What redistribution are you talking about?
>Do you have any clue how wealth is distributed in the US today as compared to history?
Yeah Tim, I know how taxation works. I also know that it discourages market activity and competition, leading to less investment of capital goods and stagnation of real wages.
Maybe it's time to retake High School Econ?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_demand
>>677001998
Join the micropenis revolution! Bros of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your anal virginity!
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>>677002572
Samefag trolling for attention "Look at me 4chan, I am a person who wants to be noticed"
Damn i was in the old thread but had to leave to check on a work site. Are the socialists and communists using the same tactic of "not pure *insert ideology here*"?
>>677002086
Whatever you worthless cunt. You go fix the world now and save every unhappy soul on the planet. My people -- the working class -- are the people who are at stake in your shitty tug o' war. When you pampered climate-controlled fucks get your way, it will be US who pick up the guns. You're dickless rhetoric is what will ultimately be your end.
>>676996334
Judge me fags, Bernie 2016
>>677001788
Name one free market. That is capitalism.
>>677002388
>sweden had the highest growth of any european country during the recession
>Per-capita income dropped from 3th in the world in the 1970s to fourteenth today
Learn your history, Bernie shill
>>677001406
I'm not saying they followed the socialist ideals, but socialist was in the name of the party. Hitler wanted to get into power, so he said and promised a lot of bullshit then fell back on it. I honestly don't care for these major party pissing contests, I always have and will vote libertarian.
>>677002572
Yep. It's a religion.
You'll notice the biggest supporters of it, religious right-wingers who still think living in an imaginary, romanticised past is a viable plan for a nation's future in the modern world when every other aspect of culture and life and the people has changed.
Hopeless, stuck in the past, destined to fade angrily away, and the world is better for it, as it is with every generation since recorded history.
>>677003080
my god your insecurity is fucking leaking out of your ass
you give up the argument and start shitposting about threat of arms
this is the dumb reaction you'd expect from a fucking primordeal chimp
>>677003182
bernie supporter believe false stats. false economic reports, false criminal stats, false immigration stats, false unemployment reports.
They are just a bunch of sheep drinking the obama kool-aid
>>677002847
>I'm more interested in the social order here and need t establish my place in relation to it as superior to it
Could you be any more teenager you fucking daffodil?
>>676990979
Hey, I heard Trump supporters love trap threads. They're always spending so much time in them. Let's help out these Trumpfags, /b/
>>677003625
>implying bernie supporters like Obama
we fucking hate obama because he is a corporate shill. What false stats are you talking about though? I get the sense that you are one of the people who will say any liberal source can't be trusted because you know better
>>677003665
>fucking daffodil
topkek
suitable name for the armchair imbeciles in this thread
>>676994914
Right, Hitler was only a National Socialist, he wasn't a Socialist. You fucking tweens can only argue about shit you learned about in school today your attention span is so low. God forbid you try to even make an intelligent argument without parroting Sanders, Hillary, or some pundit from MSN, just call us all racist, scream #blacklivesmatter, sue for a safe space, and change gender-identities. You're clueluess and ignorant because you refuse to learn.
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>>677003625
>Everything that doesn't confirm my preconceived notions and bias must be false.
>let me list for you all the things I have to ignore
Religion.
>>677003876
>all socialism works the same
You realize the US has had socialist policies for at least a century right?
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>>677003665
Wow using javascript editor to edit out a "You" So fucking original newfag. Never would have thought of that.
>>677004113
Maybe you Trumpfags wouldn't be such fussy babies if you had your pacifier
>>676990979
This is why I didn't vote for Sanders in the primary. America isn't ready for Socialism yet. We still have baby boomers who are of the Cold War generation and there's no way in hell they're going to vote for a Socialist, I'm sorry.
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>>677003486
Yeah, buddy. I wouldn't fuck with a chimp. I bet you're the guy who tries to talk when your getting your ass kicked. You know what happens when you try to talk during an ass kicking? You lose. Your day is coming you fat cunt.
>>676997972
You're confusing public with private unions. Private unions are all good - if they strike the only person effected is the company that tried to fuck the workers in the first place.
Public unions, however, have grown bloated and worthless to the point of complete breakdown. When public unions strike, we're all effected - and most of those strikes simply hold the public hostage for "mah demands!"
Read a book and graduate high school, cuk.
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>>676995338
Dear Moron:
It appears you have not read my other posts.
The NSDAP (NAZIS) were racialist fascists who believed that the "aryans" were the master race.
All benefits and privilege go to the master race, all other races being subservient.
THAT IS NOT SOCIALISM.
Hitler was a FASCIST.
GET IT?
STALIN was NOT a Socialist of any kind.
Since communism is the left wing of Socialism, he COULD NOT be a communist either.
Stalin was an autocratic conservative dictator.
Or maybe you're just not very smart.
Take 2 years of reading political philosophy, then come back to post.
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>>677004372
The mentally-ill are supporters of Sanders, who would've thought?
>>677004597
If Trump is elected, he promises every bro a hot tranny! WOOOOOOO
>>677004322
America has been a democratic socialist country for at least a decade now though, no need to be so afraid. If you support any of these you are a socialist to some degree
>Social Security
>medicare/medicaid
>publicly funded police/firemen
>publicly funded roads
>food stamps
>>677004520
Didnt we cover this in the last thread friend? They started as one, and because of the transition process they became something else. This is what happens with these types of political ideologies
>>676990979
My socialism is not communism...a related but distinct ideology. In fact, when pressed I specifically state I am for Scandanavian style socialism. But Americans don't know the difference because of poor education and muh cold war
>>677004752
I've got an anti-psychotic medicine for you. 30ccs of hot tranny cum, to be administered orally. Open wide, Trumpfag!
>>676998371
>Jew
>Nazi
Pick one.
If dubs this fag will get cuckolded by Trump
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>>677004520
He won't get it
Most Americans don't understand what Socialism actually is, they are still stuck in the cold-war propaganda about socialism
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>>676995211
Let Bernie win and this woman will be forced to share her neck with those who do not have necks.
>>677004894
>slippery slope fallacy
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>>676990979
In short: My socialism is the same socialism that made the Scandinavian countries to a prosperous, free and equal society, and worked very well for more than 50 years. (It's failing now though, through influence of market liberalism and austerity... which will never ever do anything good for the people. Only for the elite.)
>>677000346
everything you need to know about the workplace and pay is already there in employment advertisement you can probably call the employer and ask for aditional info, if your not satisfied with the workplace you search for another job
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XgdtHewGR0
>>676990979
But bernie isnt communist, he's socialist
>>676995338
Yep Low quality b8, from a autist on 4chan. Next thread
>>677003352
Nigger you don't know shit about the nazi party.
I'm not going to give you a history lesson here either, but you need to years on those things you're talking about, and why the people were on board with it to begin with, and how they did do good on those promises, and did win massive public favor for it, before later doing a hard 180 to fascism, neglecting or ending all the socialist initiatives, and running fucking riot.
>>677005365
>implying history hasnt proven it true
>>677004005
I am a 52 year old disabled veteran of the US Army.
I am not a tween, you want-wit.
Your response was irrational and juvenile.
I clearly stated the difference between a fucking nazi & Marxian Socialism.
I have posted twice, explaining the vast political differences between these opposing id see ideologies.
Are you one of those ignorant twats who see the word "socialist " in the NSDAP, and do no further research or study??
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>>676990979
It is the same socialism that is prospering throughout the rest of the modern first world.
>>676995967
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He's actually correct. Hitler's political genius was by combining the right-wing Nationalist movement with the left-wing Socialist movement into one political party during a time of political turmoil post World-War 1. The NSDAP (National Socialist German Worker's Party) let to a quick, sweeping support for him because of a lack of checks and balances in the German political system.
>>677005683
>>677005648
It hasn't
>>677005815
>>677005491
>made the Scandinavian countries to a prosperous
Time to relearn history. Denmark and Sweden both became prosperous in the early 20th century from being mostly capitalist.
Both Sweden and Denmark have both dropped from 3th and 4th of per-capita income in the world to 13th and 14th after the instilling heavily regulated policies.
>>676998553
Holy shit I had this conversation with you before. You liked to use construction workers as an example.
I recall you were also a fucking retard who didn't understand someone's value.
Well, you Trumpfags are certainly more bearable when you're all busy jacking off to tranny porn.
>>677005642
K bro
>>677005848
Examples of a well intended socialist or communist state that has succeeded
>>677006137
socialism is communism. Lennon said it himself
>>677001723
Unions need to exist in some form, but they are currently way too powerful, sometimes even to the detriment of their members.
A perfect example is teacher's unions, which make it so difficult to fire teachers that teachers guilty of sexual assault often get to keep their jobs. Imagine being somebody who really gives a shit about teaching, and having to work with people who want to fuck your students.
>>677005993
... and accepting millions of Arab immigrants.
>>677005993
>dropped to 13th and 14th
lol
http://knoema.com/sijweyg/gdp-per-capita-ranking-2015-data-and-charts
>>676999982
And North Korea is democractic because they call themselves the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea.
>>677006221
>>677003486
Every time a socialist/liberal cuck gets backed into a corner, all they can do is make weak ad hominem attacks against their opponent's intelligence, masculinity, etc. You have absolutely nothing to stand on except your unproven, counter-intuitive academia bullshit. We have literally the entire history of every developed nation to prove that capitalism works.
>>677005784
The nazi movement was socialist in.. the most obscure sense of the word. It was not about redistributing wealth, or turning the mean of production over to the workers. Which really is the core of socialsim.
The implementation of the nazi policy only made the capitalists richer, and the people poorer.
Also, the international unification of workers, which again is at the core of marxist socialism, is completely absent in nazism. It's quite the oposite.
>>677002310
Anyone who has a sense of superiority over someone instead of a desire to convince them they are wrong or help them is automatically a bigger idiot than they are.
>>677006341
You'll enjoy this one, /pol/fags. He's fucking her like Trump will fuck the United States.
>>677004110
Yeah, and the US is doing so fucking well these days am I right?
>>677006194
Denmark, Sweden, Canada, the UK
All Democratic Socialist countries
>>677006501
>>677006293
Goddamn, look at all of the socialist countries ahead of America.
>>677006676
I mean we have problems, but we still have the strongest economy in the world, so the assertion that our style of government doesn't work is kind of absurd
>>677006641
>>677006689
Nice qualifier
>democratic
But thats not what i was talking about, those still have capitalist leanings
>>677005491
Does everyone claim capitalism is failing every time there's a fucking market fluctuation or a recession or depression? We could, but we don't. 50 years of Scandie socialism hasn't caused 1/100000th the chaos and loss and ruination that U.S. capitalism did to its own middle class and worldwide in 2008, and ours is the most stable economy in the world, backed up by the combined wealth of the old British Empire after WWII, and a hundred nations military budgets all in a perpetual state of war.
>>677006693
>democratic socialist
>>677006848
>>677006899
That's Bernie Sanders ideology so that's all I'm going to defend. Full on Socialism is fucked I can agree with that
>>677005784
The "socialist " branch of the NSDAP was always held suspect by AH.
The populist wing was in the SA (stormtroopers, brownshirts) led by Ernst Rohm.
Hitler was losing control of this large group, countering it with Himmler and the SS.
AH finally liquidated the SA leadership in the Night of the Long Knives.
Most of the SA men were transferred to the wehrmacht.
The populist radicals were gone.
Then the SS became a mystic crusader society.
>>677006963
There's only one kind of donation Trump wants
>>677006193
Yeah faggot, the nazis were socialist hippie peaceniks, not just on day 1, but all the way straight thru 1945. Total pussified cucks, all of them.
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>>677007143
Exactly glad we can agree, but a small step is still a step. Be weary, the communist wears a mask. That mask is socialism. And lets remember communism doesnt work unless there are slave
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>>677006693
Bullshit myth. Ahead in what? Denmark, with some of the highest personal debt of any nation in the world because no one there can afford to buy ANYTHING of value with the pitiful amount they take home after taxes? Finland, whose education scores were mostly supported by racial homogeneity and are now dropping sharply as immigrants are accepted?
Nevermind that none of those countries innovate like the US does, they have no development infrastructure and rely entirely on trade with countries who do in order to survive. Politically and economically, every socialist country in the world is a metaphorical leech.
