Fuck capitalism !
Why work when you can be liberated ?
Why work when you can terrorize the fools ?
From now on, be free Anons
>>676817623
working feels good. at least for me. why not base an economic system around that?
YES SIR
>>676817891
I hate this fucking system.
I tried to kill myself twice because of it.
I just want to see the world burn, make it pay.
>>676818306
Seems like you're a weak faggot who would be better off dead.
>>676818778
op gets rekt
>>676818778
Hehe
Weak ?
No.
Just mad, guess I just like the fame of prison.
>>676817623
Hating capitalism =/= Being anti-social
Strategic mutualistic anarchism friend
>>676819294
Well if you failed killing yourself twice I'd call that pretty weak homeboy.
>>676817623
Must have been difficult for you to type those sentences out on your personal computer and transferred via the internet while mom can afford to pay your rent on a single paycheck.
Capitalism is really rough on you, huh
>>676819833
Yes, because labour unions and hence fair wages are the product of capitalism.
Except that they're not.
>>676817623
Capitalism is the only system so far discovered that allows a poor man the opportunity to die in a higher social strata than the one he was born in.
>>676817623
You don't actually understand what capitalism is as a concept, do you, anon?
>>676820182
The Nordic countries would like to disagree with your uneducated opinion.
>>676820182
>implying we even have capitalism
>>676817623
edgy fag
get a job
>>676820518
>Uneducated opinion
I was quoting the opinion of Milton Friedman, who graduated from Columbia University with a PhD in economics.
>>676820844
The United States suffers from Crony Capitalism, which I agree is a problem that must be solved, but I don't really think the power that is corrupting the business world should be granted to the government, it should be dissolved.
>>676821134
Well, the uneducated opinion of Milton Friedman, then. The statistics speak against his word.
And to be honest, I'd rather cite statistics than anecdotes.
Capitalism is great, but these big corps are waaaaaay out of hand. Waiting for revolution atm.
>>676818306
You're a parasite, finish the job next time.
>>676817623
So am I the guy with the gun or the guy with the gun to my head? This isn't really a good image to convey that your position as the superior.
>>676821623
>waiting
People always wait for someone else to start (and preferably finish) a revolution.
"Sure, things are bad, but it's not like I'm going to risk my skin to make them better!"
>>676820518
America is not a small, insulated country like Norway or Sweden. Norway and Sweden were also wealthy Long before they became socialist.
Incredibly poor comparison.
Go back to school, your education is shit.
>>676821411
The statistics speak against his words, yet Denmark and Norway have just elected their most fiscally conservative prime minister in over 50 years because the capitalism feuled economic boom that occurred there in the 1890s is finally coming to a halt and they are tired of a 60 percent tax rate that is now a detriment everything from their economic output to theit reproduction rates. Whatever you say bud.
>>676821411
You're so fucking ignorant and retarded your head couldn't be further up your ass.
See>>676822003
>>676821936
I just don't know where to start. Cops get a hold of you, you're a terrorist. Media gets hold of you, you're an insane terrorist.
>>676817623
I'm so fucking curious. How old are you OP? Don't fucking lie.
>>676817623
... oh child. Have you ever wondered why the government has the monopoly on force? Yeah, they're the only ones allowed to use guns. Nobody else is... Funny. It's like that picture could describe any form of governance, except capitalism.
>>676822134
This.
>>676820844
>>676821411
>>676822277
>>676822444
fucking chek'd
>>676822504
Are you white? Where do you live?
>>676822003
>implying a big country needs to be run differently
Just cleave it into smaller districts. Hell, you could even call them something like 'states'.
How about Finland then? They've no valuable resources to their name. It's not even a rich country, but they still have great social mobility.
Also, my point still stands: capitalism doesn't seem to display the greatest amount of social mobility.
>>676822134
When did anecdotes become part of the scientific method? Right, when the 'science' of economics made it that way.
Why work and really make my living, really earn the fruit of my labour? I mean being a lazy, enslaved piece of welfare sucking garbage sounds so much better! Being the states little cock whore would be fantastic!
>>676822064
Norway and fiscally conservative don't belong in the same sentence. They pay off Syria and a bunch of other companies so they don't get fucked over (and pretty much any other morally compromised country that can get to them).
>>676823509
>companies
*countries
>>676823178
Anecdotes are a useful tool in in arguing against a universal argument.
>All black people are lazy.
That's not true, I've seen a black person work hard
>Correction, most black people are lazy.
>>676817623
I genuinely enjoy my job. I'm a machinist, and work in my uncle's shop. He treats me more than fairly, and being able to pay my bills, and not be flat broke all the time are nice too.
I do hate capitalism though, but I've become increasingly apolitical and apathetic as I've gotten older. The system sucks, but nothing is going to change just by pointing it out. The ones who should be pointing it out fucking aren't and are actually hostile to it, whereas it's upper-middle class dipshits who whine the most about it. They don't actually care, or want to change shit, they just want attention. In a few years they'll grow up, go to work for daddy or some of his pals, and proceed to fuck working people even harder than their parents and grandparents ever dreamed of doing. Fuck them too.
>>676823178
Then please explain the american colloquialism of "shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in 3 generations"
>>676817623
>why work
You fucking liberal.
If you honestly think the unemployed living off gov't benefits are in any way, shape, or form, liberated, you are a retard who doesn't understand reality.
>>676822740
White , Canada
Would prefer to live in prison than work
>>676823857
Lazy.
>>676820023
What? Unions are obsolete. Try again troll
>>676817623
Didn't get that Obamaphone eh?
>>676823809
More free than those that need to beg to survive just because they lost their job.
Before you claim it's their fault that they lost their job, remember that we're living in a society where tasks are being done by robots more often than not.
>>676820518
Compare a country with 5 people in it the size of a pea to a country with much more land mass and population. Why dont you just say using an flip phone works for you so everyone should use one cause hey, it is good enough for you
>>676823178
Norway.
Ok. Let's put on our thinking caps and talk about all the failed socialist and communist states instead of the outliers.
I can start with about 30.
While we're at it, let's ask some other Europoors how well Socialism is working for them.
Personally I don't want to ride a fucking bike to work and live in a shitty apartment. That is not rich.
The people that are the most talented and work the hardest should be rewarded. You can't hang? It's not my fucking problem.
Go to bed and jack off to Bernie you immense faggot. You're a god damn loser, just like every other socialist cunt.
>>676823969
>>676823857
Listen up you lazy cunt. The secret to having a successful life is simple.
>Gain marketable skills
>Save money
>Work harder than your peers
>Don't get pregnant
Just do these 4 simple things and all of your problems will go away. I didn't say easy, I said simple.
Get your shit together.
>>676824458
It always fails when there is corruption involved. Takes a pretty well oiled machine to prevent that.
>>676824401
If it's easier to lead countries of 5 people, why not cut the US up into 100 million pea sized countries? The end result should be better, should it not?
Or does this not apply to the US for some stupid reason? A reason like "I was told so by capitalist-owned media outlets, socialism is bad!"?
/B/ COMMUNISTS UNITE
FOR COMRADE SANDERS
>>676823178
Yes its as simple as districts. Except you still comparing apples to rocks. Peopl of different countries have different values, experiences, infrastructure etc. You can divide didtricts till the cows come home but norway and the US will nrver be the same.
>>676824808
Fails?
I come from a tiny, shitty, poor town in rust-belt Michigan.
I got a skilled trade and while I worked on cars, I got a degree. It took me 7 years.
After working my ass off I moved to a corporation. I worked my way up through the ranks. I now make well into the 6 figures and live in a huge house on a lake.
I did it through hard work and determination.
Capitalism did not fail. It worked exactly as designed.
>>676824482
Strawman argument
>>676817623
Ok, so how pay bills and be free?
>>676825404
So, you'd claim that if we abolished labour unions as 'obsolete', the quality of work environments would not suffer as a result?
>>676824482
By todaysvstandards the unions of yesteryear were still treating their members like shit. They just got rich while saying they were for the workingman
>>676819294
So if you failed why'd you stop trying? Just another thing you're terrible at?
>>676825701
I agree that centrally led unions are bullshit. Syndicalist unions are not.
>>676825549
Live in prison boi
>>676824482
I said are obsolete. Didnt say they never had a place
>>676817623
Translation: waaaaah I'm lazy and want to live off moms tit forever.
Finish the job next time fgt.
>>676825701
Unions give you a shit ton of legal backup that the average working person wouldn't be able to afford. It's like an American health insurance system, except for legal aid. Not to mention, (at least from what I've HEARD) they will back you up on any reasonable/provable issue you have against your employer.
>>676825037
Because they still have different needs and values you ignorant fool. Thats like saying my pizza store runs good like this, everyone who follows my model will be sucessful.
>>676823857
Where in Canada?
>>676825860
Are you in prison right now anon?
>>676824351
That's called an economic transition. To make short of it, the market no longer need manual labor work and is transitioning to service based work, like lawyers, doctors, STEM fields like engineer and cs majors. These people are not getting degrees in such areas or certifications. Instead they're investing all their future into areas that no longer require their services, like liberal arts majors, or no degree at all, which is entirely their choice and fault for not investigating the weight of their career choices and its availability to the market. This transition include the merge of international conglomerate corporations and this is the transition of a global capital market emerging nations to rely on other nations abilities.
>>676825599
Proven fact non union workers are happier and have better work lives then union workers. Also majority of jobs in the US are non union.
>>676826212
Yet you're saying "My pizza store has run good like this, there's no need to try to improve on this model".
What's the difference? Location versus era of time.
>>676826443
I wish, finishing some things I wanted to do before I go on vacation
>>676817623
Everyones still gonna work.
But yeah, there's potential for a system that doesn't keep people from the work they want to be doing just because they were born into poverty or into shitty fundie families that "don burreve in collige cuz is jus a libbberul brainwashin conspiracy against God & guns & glory!!!"
7/8 of a generation all working the wrong jobs, and doing poorly at them.
>>676818306
Tried to kill themselves....
>Tried
>Kill themselves
Pick one faggot
>>676825881
The moment they cease to exist, our path will be directly back to the sweat shops. I would argue we are already on that path.
>>676826390
In the good ol' province of the french fuck tards of Canada
>>676826212
Exactly.
On that note, socialism is much easier to sustain in more homogeneous societies.
America is, at it's core, a capitalist country. If people don't like it they can get the fuck out.
>>676826209
1 they do not. 2 they are more currupt then the government. 3 what example would you even need this legal back up anyway?
>>676826209
No. They don't give a fuck about you. They just want money from your check.
>>676826511
But what should one educate themselves towards? Robots are taking up manual labour, AI will eventually surpass the abilities of human coders.
We don't need 7 billion people maintaining robots, especially if those robots are self-maintaining. There's no purpose in having labour for labour's sake.
>>676817623
>Why work when you can be liberated ?
Unless "liberated" is a euphemism for "killed," this is total blathering nonsense.
>>676826511
People with liberal arts degrees are statistically more likely to be employed within their field than business, CS or engineering majors. The job market for those three are completely saturated to begin with, and China and India are not making it any better.
>>676826600
When did i say never evolve or change?
>>676825330
I'm an 18 year old patented inventor, currently handling 200,000 in investor funds to get my product to market. THAT is capitalism. Not working under some CEO that makes and exponentially higher wage than you.
CEO wages, product prices, and productivity have increased dramatically while worker wages have stayed the same.
What position are you in? I like the automotive field, I see it as something I would pursue.
>>676826511
Whoever made that is a wildly ignorant nerd of spectacular tunnel vision and lack of understanding of how a national economy & resource management works.
>>676827063
lolwut?
>>676826835
Cept most of jobs in US are non union. Plus you have a choice where you work.
>>676821073
I'd fuck the retard out of her
>>676827063
Please cite these statistics because I personally know exactly zero art history majors that are employed in their field
>>676826511
You're one fucking stupid nigger. This economic transition comes down to technology being less expensive than a human salary (in reference to your argument). If all the jobs weren't in "China" (="international conglomerate corporations") and countries were more competitive in the good they produced and not the price they produced goods, none of this shit would be an issue. At least in the only country that counts.
>>676826962
This
>>676827171
They probably need to switch good and meh tier. It's close enough.
>>676827291
Unions are like vaccinations, even if you're not part of them they still offer some protection. You may be out of union, but someone else at your workplace is in one, and the employer isn't going to have them in an union-regulated working environment and you in a pit.
>>676826619
this is /b/
>>676826835
Why do most people not have unions?
>>676827063
Holy shit. This has to be the most retarded thing I've read today.
You must be a liberal arts grad.
>>676826962
>AI will eventually surpass the abilities of human coders.
Not one person on this earth knows or understands how AI thinks and functions because we haven't invented it yet. And when we do, it's likely to lead us into another economic transition requiring different degrees or the demise of us all. This is just the theory that's floating out there in the scientific community.
>>676827505
Did you know that republicans are more charitable the democrats per dollar? Did you know most republicans support capitalism? Fact, look it up.
>>676827160
I am the COO...
I made a half million last year.
I came from nothing, earned a diverse skill set, worked endlessly on my professionalism, and won.
Automotive aftermarket. That's all I can say.
>>676827548
I work in an organization with over 40K people in the U.S., 140K world wide. We don't have a union. We all do pretty well actually.
>>676827548
What? This is literally the most retarded argument ever...
>>676817623
There comes a time in every high-stress career path where the true value of owning a pizza shop becomes readily apparent, for all you fucking noobs still in school buying into an ideology you have no firsthand experience with.
>>676827738
Unions support you you asshole
>>676826884
1. You must be a pee-on.?.?.?
2. I can see how they could get out of hand, but I feel like they need to keep some reputation to be able to operate.
3. Overworked on salaried pay.
>>676826908
Not in a union, but I've only heard good stories to be quite honest senpais.
>>676827738
Weyerhaeuser?
>>676827738
Same, no unions, we have an awesome work environments.
Unions guarantee cronyism and ensure incompetent people remain employed at your expense.
>>676827949
1 dont take the job. 2 most unions jobs are not salarie. 3 unions care about lining their pockets. Ever see a union boss? Oh they care about the average joe working 40 hours a week, pwying union dues to make 35k. While they drive their bently, making 200k a year. Yes that is for the working man. Dont agree with them, watch out
>>676827683
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU
>>676827738
>>676828209
You don't need to be personally members of unions, because you can always quit your job if the working conditions worsen below union-set standards. If there were no unions and thus no standards, the quality of the conditions could worsen without limitation. Sure, you could quit, but there wouldn't be a better place out there.
>>676827705
And when you see the distribution and see why, see where that $ comes from, and where those funds go, you realize it's not quite the thing you thought you were boasting about.
>>676828209
This. Knew a guy, pulled a knife on manager, tried to fire him. Unions said no no. Color of skin would make racist to fire. Suspend for 1 day. Nother guy who different color fired for being late to work 3 time in a montn by 5 minutes. Union said thats cool.
>>676828633
Strawman argument
>>676828675
Oh sorry forgot. Rich people donating to cancer research = bad. Liberals taxing rich people and "donating" to lazy people who sit on thier asses all day playing xbox = good
>>676828440
Noted, but I still think they're neccisary to keep nigger jew reptiles from taking over.
>>676828675
So when provided with a statistical fact you make up some assinine argument base on no facts or research
>>676827948
No. They don't.
>>676828751
Knew a guy who drank a 12 pack at work every day and it took GM 12 years to fire him.
12 years.
Unions had their place and time, but I agree, they are completely obsolete. Markets set working conditions and in America, they are pretty good.
Capitalism is awesome.
>>676826962
Robots need builders, maintenance and operators still though. AI is not developing fast enough to completely replace humans. A guy who used to work in my uncle's shop, went to work for a bigger shop, doing CNC--we mainly do manual operation still. His job is making the parts for robotic welders that the local Volkswagen plant uses, and he gets paid very nicely for it.
Also, have you been through a self checkout yet? They still have people standing there making sure you don't steal shit. I never use them, but I've noticed that a lot of people who do--particularly baby boomers and older--seem to have a lot of trouble with them. It seems to me that it slows things down, and time is money as they say.
>>676829219
Unions are for poor. Plain and simple. Uneducated poor who dont know that sticking their head in an iver can kill you so they need a sign the union states is neccisary to keep them from doing it...
>>676817891
>Implying in socialism you don't have to work for the State to receive welfare
>>676829468
You will need a dozen guys to manage thousands of bots. Job are lost. Pop is rising. We are fucked
>>676826962
because our economy is 100% manufacturing. manufacturing is probably less than 1% of the US economy
>>676820182
Please, tell me you're joking
>>676829575
>implying everyone who recieves welfare is working
>>676817891
Wouldnt it be great if our work was leveraged towards making life better for everyone. Instead of chasing the next dopamine fix. If human labor was put towards self and community improvement instead of ever increasing consumption.
>>676829839
>2016
>still belives capitalism isnt the best damn system in the world
>>676829987
This is called idealism.
Reality is just a tad bit different.
>>676821628
Both.
>>676829987
Hi you must be new here
>>676830094
Probably at a liberal arts college
>>676818306
>>>676817891
>I just want to see the world burn, make it pay.
Now you are thinking like a capitalist!
>>676823857
Even as a critic of capitalism, that's pretty sad. Yes, people should be able to work as they want without social class restrictions, but people should WORK for it. Lazy cunts shouldn't deserve benefits.
>>676829468
Robots do need builders. Do robots need 7 billion builders to sustain a population of 7 billion? They don't.
>Also, have you been through a self checkout yet?
I have. It's very fast, and even if it's not as fast as a skilled cashier could be, the amount of work (and therefore money) needed is a lot less. One cashier can be only so quick, but if you have a single cashier watching over 10 self checkouts, the volume of purchases per worker is increased greatly. Maybe not 10-fold, but still greatly.
>>676829832
How about AI then? Scientific data is parsed by computers and all the human operator needs to do is interpret the results. That may well change very soon. AI already writes articles in the papers (mainly sports currently) and they've taken up creative tasks as well.
>>676829468
Capitalism isn't exactly a system suitable for rapid advancement of technology and human progress, not like most people think. Not even implying that communism is any better either. The essence of capitalism today is about keeping the status quo, primarily because it makes the rich get richer and widens the gap between rich and poor (middle class).
Why? You might ask.
>stuff like this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence
>>676830322
Capitalism has led to more inovations then any other economic system. Prove me wrong fag, i dare you. Name 10 inventions the last 200 years not done by capitalists
>>676830094
It's a good system, but it's application is heavily flawwed
>>676830322
No, he's thinking like your typical angry "progressive", who is really just a piss poor anti-social loser
>>676827160
>I'm an 18 year old patented inventor
Daddy gave me money*
FTFY
>>676827203
>>676827374
>>676827601
Architectural and Engineering: http://www.bls.gov/ooh/architecture-and-engineering/home.htm
Life, Physical and Social sciences: http://www.bls.gov/ooh/life-physical-and-social-science/home.htm
Social/Community services: http://www.bls.gov/ooh/community-and-social-service/home.htm
>>676817623
>why work?
/thread
>>676830508
Oh shit i cant. Sorry dude maybe you have a point
>>676818306
Third time's the charm dickbreath
Because instead of working to get a good life, you work, and you have a shit life, regardless of how hard you work. Plus, without capitalism, you wouldn't have your reality TV, or good movies.
Get a job, you fucking degenerate.
>>676830271
Why, because I'm not retarded?
This place wasn't always Facebook 2.0
>>676830658
These aren't liberal arts degrees you fucking moron
>>676830907
Security. All you need. Never will be homless.
>>676830907
>thinking reality TV and Hollywood films are selling points
Wow.
>>676817623
>be free
Oh youre getting rid of laws? If so your the first type in my list anon
>>676830934
Been here longer then you fag
Row row fight the power!
>>676830192
Yeah. It's totally infeasible. To many stupid people pumping out stupid kids.
>>676830516
Not that much, the great problem is that protecting the property is not always possible
>>676830698
>sowell
:3
>>676830907
All wealth should be divide equal. Done
>>676824717
yep. I used to be liberal, until I realized that liberals are mostly thieves
>>676831124
I've been here all summer
>>676820518
This is stupid, They are all like 10-15 million population, just with basic and constant math without any different parameters, achieving the same shit in the USA would be 32 times harder.
>>676831214
I really hope everyone that thinks like you gets gassed. Admit it: you want other people's money, but you don't want to work for it
>>676831257
Strawman argument. Do you even know what your talking about?
>>676831214
greedy entitled parasite spotted
Why don't you just go live in the woods? There's no capitalism where there are no people. Bears might redistribute your meat into their stomachs though. Take a cheap rifle with you, courtesy of capitalism :^)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYJKd0rkKss&list=PLHhsu-Vn6jZpBMVJ5Wncizf0wrCw1C0-V
>>676819294
Either you're done 8 year old edge Lord or this is delicious b8
>>676831417
It would solve everything. No more poor
>>676831257
Except that the US has already been divided into states quite conveniently, and they just happen to have their populations in similar ranges as those of the Nordic countries.
>>676831565
B8. I'm not biting.
>>676824717
Marketable skills?
Why should someone who has a non-capitalist set of skills have to abandon them?
Work harder?
Typical conservative, create false competition to keep the workers from uniting.
Are you actually telling women not to get pregnant?
How will the species survive?
Get YOUR shit together, you capitalist tool.
>>676831586
Die
>>676830907
>Get a job so you can consume vapid empty-calorie culture
Pretty shitty argument.
>>676831768
Nice argument.
>>676825159
Comrade!!
I applaud you!
>>676831768
>>676831449
Like people can't buy and sell without "capitalism." You people give too much credit to a system of oppression called "capitalism."
>buying and selling =/= capitalism
>corporatism = what you think is called "capitalism"
>>676820023
unions, no. fair wages, yes.
>>676831748
You're somewhat intelligent and articulate. One day you'll have a real job and when you see a ghetto master driving a better car than you while they buy a steak with a Bridge card that you paid for, you'll rethink your insanely idealistic worldview.
>>676830989
Social worker, and historian are. Engineer is not, but it's called "contrast", dumbfuck.
>>676831449
>>676831748
So your saying you should get paid the same as someone who applies themselves and works hard. So i work at burger king. I make 20 hamburgers an hour. I should get the same pay as bob who makes 100 burgers an hour.
>>676831748
Note to self, dont hire you, you lazy fag
>>676817623
Maybe you would fare better under one of the pure non-capitalist nations out there where you work harder and get paid shit, or die.
>>676831989
Lol
>>676831004
pls elaborate
>>676832196
How many fucking historians do you know??
Social workers are among the most underpaid people on this planet.
Do you know any philosophers? Artists making a living income? What about poets?
Fucking cut off your white dreadlocks and strangle yourself.
>>676831418
Yes I know, I just want you to see you can't compare, 320 million with 10 with the same parameters mate.
>>676832017
Not even remotely factual.
>>676832119
>>676832254
Yes
>>676832017
So go live in the woods you whiny nigger. Enjoy the fascism of nature.
Barter for a rifle and some ammo if you feel you must, you jobless hipster.
>>676832719
I got a boner watching this in the theater. I knew it would make such a great jiff.
>>676831586
No mate I am not saying it can't be done, but it will be so difficult to achieve same success. Socialist economy requires lots of time to establish.
>>676832572
Yes it is true, retard. Corporatism is what's referred to when they call it Big Business in capitalism. And as you might realize, Big Business/corporations have the most power when it comes to the economy. Corporations even have significant influence in Washington politics through lobbying.
So no, you are wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_business
>>676832858
Eat a dick. Go learn something instead believing what you heard other people parrot, you retard.
>>676832499
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/executive-creative-director-salary-SRCH_KO0,27.htm
>>676832748
You overestimate humanity.
What will motivate people to excel?
Don't you understand why the dozens of failed socialist states actually failed?
Dude pick up a fucking history book.
>>676832639
No, they only find the property the gold is on, buy said property, devise and implement a team to develop the area into a mine and then hire miners to actually mine for a wage. Of course, if the project goes south they are flat on their face, out of time and money. It's only when they succeed that people get snippy.
Just being devil's advocate here.
>>676833067
I asked if YOU personally knew someone
>>676833031
Lmao holy shit. Alright crybaby, keep leeching off of the teat of the capitalism you hate so much.
You wouldn't cut it in the woods anyway. Seems like on some level you know you're not shit, which is why you complain about politics on anonymous nepalese tapestry enthusiast imageboards
You feeling the bern yet? :^)
>>676832102
I am a retired 52 yr old disabled veteran.
I have seen both extreme poverty and syberetic excess.
I took a train from Virginia to new Mexico recently.
I saw so much run down infrastructure, dying towns in middle america, and poor neighborhoods that looked as if a tornado had blasted them.
My political viewpoints are a product of my life experience and a HELLUVA lot of reading.
I appreciate your response.
Vote for Senator Sanders.
>>676833130
>Implying dozens of capitalists states haven't also failed....
>>676832858
I don't even need to barter for a rifle, because I can make a bow, construct a hovel and start a fire with naught but two sticks.
>>676833457
You are a moron. And you know you just got rekt.
>>676817623
Pull your weight you lazy cunt
>>676833031
>using wikipedia to defend argument
First you are assuming that coruption is part of the system and thats not true. Lobbying shoild be illegal and prevented. Business should be out of the hands of government.
Second you are assuming only large corporations are capitalist and thats also not true. Small businesses are the backbone of any capitalist society.
You obviously are getting your definitions confused so get out of your moms basement and breath some fresh air.
>>676833130
They were too capitalist
>>676833457
>corporatism
>Why should someone who has a non-capitalist set of skills have to abandon them?
Who said you have to abandon them? Surely you've heard of hobbies.
>Work harder?
>Typical conservative, create false competition to keep the workers from uniting.
False competition? You mean being compared to the guy next to you? Does the wolf that hunts more and finds more food competing falsely? I guess he'd rather stay at home with his non-capitalist skills and blow alpha for food.
>Are you actually telling women not to get pregnant?
>How will the species survive?
C'mon think, anon. He meant "don't get pregnant at a time that would cause a major fucking inconvenience."
You people are hopeless.
>I'm not sharing! It's my money! Muh Ayn Rand!
Idiot, you're burning through the available resources of this world so fast that the end for us is now in sight. And what have you accomplished in this capitalist system with all of those resources beyond industrialization? Mountains and mountains of luxuries for a few and poverty and exploitation for everyone else. Our civilization has stagnated and is dying because we aren't progressing to a system with a better economic substructure.
>Share all personal possessions equally and we'll never have to work again!
No, bourgeois liberal fool. We're all going to have to work, but we'll work intelligently and non-exploitatively. We'll automate as rapidly as possible and minimize the number of work hours required. We'll use labor to ensure that everyone's material needs are met and to build a better world for our descendants through technological and social progress. But most importantly, we will organize all of this democratically and eliminate even the concept of a ruling class since they will always work against the good of the world for their own benefit.
True socialism is the only hope for our species. Emancipate the people of the world, eliminate the ruling classes, and let the people seize control of and manage capital for themselves.
>>676833264
Yes, 40 actualy
>>676832254
No, I did not say that.
You need to be reassigned.
There is something you're good at, it's just not making burgers.
>>676833264
Yes. Yes I do. Many, in fact. I have a MFA in computer graphics design. I started making $50/hr designing websites straight out of school. I then got a job in the gaming industry. Now I own my own company. Its not hard to make money if you are a talented artist.
So you're tired of working. Let us all quit our jobs and live off the government. We will let the government take over all essential jobs. And when everyone is starving and sick or even dying. You will be given a job by the state. And your new title will be slave. There will be know video games, computers or cellphones. That will be for the rich people that kept their jobs. I'm sure life will be do it or die by that time. Because all they need is you able to work. Look at your history books it has happen before, it's happening now. Greece just took all private bank accounts and retirement funds with 100 thousand or more and used it to pay bills. They will not be paid back. Because they are socialist. It's for the people. They shut every bank down in Greece. Cut all electronic transfers so no one could get their money out. Then made the announcement that they were stealing the money.
>>676833534
That's true. You're better off than limpwristed OP.
>>676833460
Respectfully, I ask why? Clinton is already too far ahead. And while I appreciate Senator Sander's Idealism, his math quite frankly doesn't seem to pan out. But I am open to persuasion.
>>676831147
And that the US Rich-Poor gap is too high for many people to even fathom transcending
>>676833460
So you once fought for this country and then gave up?
>>676833793
>fascist
Omg you're like literally being fascist right now please this is a safe space dont be problematic okay thanks?
>>676833185
Just think of how much toil and human suffering is expended to dig up shiny metal, melt is into bricks, and then put it back underground in secured vaults. To what end? Who benefits from this activity? It's madness.
>>676833793
New deal was a disaster pushed through by your liberal idiot fdr. Point?
>>676833675
>using wikipedia to defend argument
That's always the response after you retards get rekt with proof. You do realize there are sources in the footnotes, right retard? Now you know, retard. You truly are a moron. Stay dumb sheep, hold your neck out for the knife, sheep.
>>676833460
dont forget to donate
>>676833487
Care to list a few?
>>676834064
After you just got rekt.
>"I was only pretending to be retarded"
>you
>>676833806
Nice argument facist
>>676833460
I will be.
Godspeed you wrinkly old bastard.
>>676833816
>Ayn Rand
nice strawman, my communist friend.
>bourgeois
AHAHAHAHAHA
>>676833922
Haha typical libtard. Cant see a lazy ass for what he is. Oh your not doing your job? Lets just give you anither you may be better at
>>676834238
Cool meme friend
>>676832324
In my 52 years of life, I worked in the private sector for 21 years after my military service.
I received outstanding reviews, and many pay raises, with perks.
Now I am on VA disability for injuries that are getting worse.
I'm not a fag either, nimrod.
>>676834105
Actually, Gold is quite a useful material. The computer you are read this on has a significant amount of purified gold within its hardware. I agree storing gold as capital may seem to be madness, but people determine what they wish to value. That's what freedom is all about. Personally I think diamonds for cosmetic uses are ridiculous, but many people like them.
>>676834125
Did you READ my response? Your interchanging definitions and claiming they are the same! You really are an idiot.
>>676833816
Wow. I hope you're enjoying college, because if all you're doing is learning about this crap you're going to have fun paying off those loans. Nice textbook explanation of communism, btw; haven't heard that shit since I was about 18 or so. Takes me back, this should be a nostalgia thread.
As much as I applaud your enthusiasm, though, I think I'll just stick with capitalism. I go to work, I do a job, I'm compensated in an amount proportional to the value of my skills, I take that money and use it to buy shit I want. Pretty simple, much simpler than reading through that ridiculous diagram of yours.
Seriously, though, it was nice hearing from you. Have fun being emotionally crushed when Bernie loses the Democratic primary this summer.
>>676834381
a tattoo of an election campaign slogan
I didn't think it was possible for any one to be that short sighted
>>676818306
>tried to kill myself
>implying try exists in this system
>>676834620
>experiences the incompetence to socialized healthcare firsthand
>wants to vote for more socialism
But why?
Are you the single veteran on the planet who doesn't get treated like human trash by the VA?
>>676834381
>STRAWMAN STRAWMAN STRAWMAN
>proceeds to evaluate Cold-War-era strawman version of socialism
>>676834125
Hey dick, do you even know what capitalism is? Obviously not. You basically said capitalism is state run corporations.
>>676834750
Don't forget the best part
A tattoo of an election campaign slogan for someone who might not even make it on the ballots
>>676834154
I have donated and voted for Senator Sanders.
>>676833816
All you people that swear that socialism is the answer, why don't you ever move to one of the many on this planet. I mean, It's already happened. Why are you sitting here bitching?
mfw this thread
OP here, asking for some final advice... Kill someone, post it here and live my lazy life in prison or kill myself ?
>>676834861
Yeah. You don't get to go on VA disability for conditions acquired after you leave the service. Faggot's lying.
>>676834865
>you petit-bourgeois capitalist pigdogs
>totally not a commie though, i just use their language
I'm going to go find myself a bear and take some poz loads. No homo.
>>676835154
gulag 4 yuo
>>676835093
>>676834721
>I take that money and use it to buy shit I want
>believing this
You buy shit you think you want, because advertisers are clever fuckers that will employ every trick in the book to make you buy shit you don't need. They make you want stuff you wouldn't have wanted had it not been for their snakelike tongues and sweet speak.
>>676835207
Va treats your for life you moron. If you choose to go of course
>>676835207
He didn't say that he got them after service, did he?
You're probably right though: He is lying. Every single veteran i've ever met absolutely detests the VA.
>>676817623
Liberated by what? Joining a collective?
>>676817623
When you are making capitalism your bitch life is actually pretty good.
When capitalism is making you it's bitch life is pretty terrible.
I have been in both situations, AMA
>>676835289
Thanks, stranger or someone I know ?
>>676835335
So i other words you THINK socialism communism or whatever your liberals wanna callmit works because your trained to think that way in school and college.... but no resl world examples becsuse that would just be too much
>>676835335
Really, I do not believe that this is the case. I like having very few things. A good bed, blanket, knife, pillow, pair of shoes, etc. I agree advertising is invasive and alters our perception, but free will and personal responsibility come in play at some point.
>>676831748
Weak troll is weak. Nobody who's actually that stupid can work a computer.
>>676835154
Sounds like you should end it tbh fam
>>676817623
(Socialism) Born of a commitment to remedy the economic and moral defects of capitalism, it has far surpassed capitalism in both economic malfunction and moral cruelty.
Joke:
Question:
Why did the glorious socialist chicken cross the road?
Answer:
To murder a bourgeois oppressor and redistribute their wealth.
>>676835059
You have anything left? If so, it is not enough.
>>676834720
You said corporatism wasn't capitalism. I said corporatism is the form of capitalism that's being practiced. Big Business is corporatism. And I posted the proof. It's common knowledge. How could you not know that?
Everybody buys and sells. The definition of capitalism isn't just "buying and selling." Right now it's corporations that have the most power, even influencing politics through lobbying and endorsing political candidates. THAT IS CORPORATISM.
So that makes YOU incorrect.
>>676835528
>>676835544
How the fuck are you supposed to make it work bitch ?
>>676835695
The classic. "I'm not very affected by advertisements", said by everyone always. They often continue with "but I know some people that definitely are!".
>>676835769
Sanders will gas all you fools
>>676835154
Save up for plane ticket.
Move to N. Korea.
Enjoy Socialism
>>676835735
Alright... 1 for gulag 1 for the rope
>>676835889
one off
>>676817623
marxism...where they take your money AND shoot you in the head.
>>676834721
>status quo works well for me right now
>obviously this implies everything is fine
>lets change nothing as long as I get money
If you're wondering why civilizations never fix their problems before they go careening off of a cliff towards an explosive end, this is precisely why.
>>676835922
If only the whole world wasn't embargoing N. Korea. Best not to give them a chance to prove the system works, otherwise people elsewhere may rebel against their overlords, too!
>>676835922
lol, I hear rope for this one
1 gulag- 2 rope... looks like I'll get the rope
>>676835858
I don't deny your point, I merely mean that the alternative seems to be silencing advertisers. I prefer the 1st amendment too much to do that personally.
>>676834123
FDR was a Titan of History.
New Deal revived America.
Millions went back to work.
The Hoover Dam.
Americans believed in themselves again.
People had hope.
It's conservative sour-grapes like you that have never liked him.
Well, fuck you.
We won WWII with FDRs guiding hand.
Many US prominent conservos openly supported fascist regimes in europe.
You bastards have been trying to undo the Deal for 40 years.
We know what's up, doc.
>>676817623
bad bait
>>676836190
Actually i'm going to change my vote. Don't gas yourself, go contribute to the glorious democratic socialist people's republic of north koera
>>676835776
I said capitalism is superior to any other economic model. You brought corporatism into the argument where it does not apply. You chose a corupt example tomtryntomprove your argument and failed. I also never said capitalism is buying and seling since thats in almost al ecomomic models. So actually you are incorrect. True capitalism is NOT corporatism.
>>676836297
Chinks deserves to get put in camps anyway
>>676835335
So you'd rather stand in line for subsidised food at your local state-run "goods and tractor parts" store instead of freely buying things?
Liberty includes making your own mistakes, apparently your too weak minded for that.
Somebody's gotta pay for ur free shit!
>>676836579
If I go to prison, you will you fucker
>>676835922
N.Korea is not a Socialist state.
They are ruled by an autocratic dynasty that rules by totalitarian militarism.
>>676835335
>capitalism is bad because people are smarter than me
Top kek.
You're right though, that is a downfall of capitalism. But it's better that the idiots get ripped off than literally every single person getting ripped off as a rule by the government.
VETERANS ASSOCIATION
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>>676836297
inb4 liberal cuck
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIC8JJjG_sI
>socialist art in general
>>676836297
New deal gave us losing social programs that are litterally pyramid scams. Millions went back to work when ww2 broke out to support war. Hoover dam? Ok but doeent realy effect everyone. Ww2 was won when truman nuked japan. Not fdr, he died before the war was over. Fdr also liked to throw hissy fits when he lost. Supreme court didnt make the judgement he liked, so he packed the court and added additional justices to get hismway. Terrible corupt man. Btw all facts
>>676836735
You have a maladjusted understanding of it all. The Nordic countries want their socialism, because it grants THEM better services. They benefit personally.
>>676835858
Th'fucks wrong with you? What if you have the best invention ever on your hands. What do you do, not tell anybody? "That would be advertising, shit, no way I'm not doing that."
>>676836842
Typical.
Aren't you ever afraid of running out of horse hair? You know, from painting with such a broad brush?
>>676836365
>True capitalism is NOT corporatism.
>True communism is not Bolshevik
>True Scotsman dont use fallacies.
>>676837029
Highest depresion rates world wide.
>>676835889
Probably,
But not before taking all your money to do it.
>>676836365
You think it's capitalism, but it's not. It's corporatism. It's called a misnomer, doublethink.
WE DON'T HAVE A TRUE CAPITALISTIC ECONOMY. IT IS CORPORATISM IN REALITY.
>what is doublethink
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink
Same thing with how they call this country a "democracy," when it is not a true democracy. It's a representative republic. A form of democracy, but it is NOT DEMOCRACY. Simply saying "democracy" is propaganda, jut like calling it "capitalism" when it's really Big Business dominating the economy.
But I guess with people like you, if they told you the sky was red, you wouldn't say it was blue.
THINK MAN, THINK.
>>676837141
Oh hi you must have ran out of wikipedia links
>>676837029
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/10/15/bernie-sanders-scandinavia-not-socialist-utopia/lUk9N7dZotJRbvn8PosoIN/story.html
My favorite part of this whole thing is when Denmark basically told colonel sanders to stop calling them socialist.
>>676837130
This is a most valid point. I hate Trump, but the democrats are disappointingly weak and feckless. I hope a decent fiscally conservative party can rise from the ashes of the GOP and get America working again. Or at least better than it is now.
>>676837162
Along with Japan. Correlates with education, not amount of socialism. It's just that highly socialist countries tend to have higher education, since it's free or extremely cheap.
Ignorance certainly is bliss.
>>676836297
Obviously still in state college. This is nonsense.
>>676836297
Actually, the New Deal simply breathed new life into a system that will always generate a corrupt ruling class with all of the wealth, economic crisis, and perpetual poverty for the majority of the world. The New Deal didn't fix anything, and the millennial generation is living through the inevitable result of trying to "fix" capitalism.
If we try to "fix" capitalism again instead of getting rid of it, we're dooming some future generation to live through the next round of economic crisis, corruption, and social collapse. It would be far better to show some bravery and ensure that our society evolves beyond private capital ownership. Social democrats (and most "democratic socialists") need to develop the courage to realize that their solutions simply do not work in the long run - we cannot afford the environmental damage and loss of resources resulting from starting a new cycle of social democratic reforms and capitalist reaction.
>>676837313
Haha nope he's still here
>>676837205
He's probably having gay sex right now
>what is gay sex
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_sexual_practices
>>676837205
I NEVER said we have true capitalism. The us is corupt as fuck. I 100% supported the banks, gm etc to go under for running the company into the fround. And i am well aware this is not a true democracy. Its a democratic republic.
>>676835335
>hurr durr people are slaves to corporations and advertising and stuff
>believing this
Dude, are you literally 18 years old, or are you just retarded? If I see an ad for something I like, I buy it, if not I don't. I buy a lot of stuff I don't see advertised as well. Believe it or not consumers are capable of independent thought.
I don't particularly need most of it. Need is irrelevant. Capitalism is about want, not need. Capitalism is about reward for effort, instead of just having your basic needs provided for you by some big brother government in exchange for forced labor. Once you build up a skillset that's actually worth money to somebody and are capable of earning compensation that covers more than basic cost of living, you realize how fun it is to earn and spend money. I don't need a big TV, I want one. So, I buy it. Now it's mine, and I enjoy having it.
Furthermore, I don't even spend most of my money. I did when I was younger, now I like to stash money away and invest it. I enjoy the security, the independence of knowing that I don't have to worry about things that other people have to worry about. I don't need to be provided for, I provide for myself. I set my own rules for my life. If I see some philosophy-major faggot like you protesting Wall Street and begging for change on the street corner, I walk right past him and don't spare him a second thought. I used my resources intelligently and he didn't, it's as simple as that.
>>676817623
You need money to buy booze and fuck
That's why I want to work
>>676836725
Shit, you got me. How about Russia?
>>676837130
A lot of Trumps supporters are falling for his bullshit. I sympathize with his supporters, but Trump is just saying whatever he needs to say to get TV time and votes. He can't explain any of his policies, or even what his policies are from day to day.
>>676837716
chad thundercock enters the thread
>>676837141
If you think your far wiser than everyone around you, chances are you've oversimplified everything to the point where even an idiot would find it trivial.
>>676835207
My VA hospital is in western Virginia.
It is excellent.
Treats thousands of vets every day.
I have no complaints.
My injuries happened during my service.
They got worse over time.
After I lost my job in the 2008 crash, I had no insurance.
Went to the VA for help.
I was rated at 70% disabled.
So now I have a permanent disability compensation and no cost healthcare.
No lies here, b/rothers.
>>676837635
>Capitalism is about want, not need.
I know this perfectly well. And this is exactly why the world is fucked, because people 'want' things so much that they're willing to wreck the planet to get all of it, despite not needing any of it.
>>676837461
I didnt say it was socialism. I just making a factual statement to point out no 2 countries are the same and no two economic models will work identical in unidentical societies
>>676837029
Not true at all. I agree with you that it's not oppressive as some, but still not good.
>>676837815
What is your argument exactly?
>>676837787
That's true of all politicians though anon.
Empty promises and wonderful embellishments.
It's the bernie supporters who post made up quotes about how he thinks republicans are stupid.
>>676837881
Lets all live like the cave men.
>>676837506
I actually agree with you.
Capitalism was well defined by Marx.
But what chance did an American workers revolution stand, even during the Depression?
There is indeed no "fixing" capitalism.
>>676827160
This guy get it.
>>676838253
Yes, because the only two options are excessive consumption that'll leave nothing for future generations but waste to sift through and living in a cave with a bow and arrow.
>>676837826
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWdD206eSv0
>>676837473
I am in my fifties, you toad.
Shove your conservo opinions firmly up your stinkhole.
