Without spewing the hate and anti-religious atheistic bullshit, what do you really think about Jesus Christ?
If what they say is true, he's a pretty nice guy
was kind of a tool though, just lettin niggas fuck his shit up, i mean really, i wouldnt carry that fuckin cross, fuck that noise, they wanna nail me to it? they can carry it their fuckin self
>>676078595
He was the original suicide by cop
Pretty chill guy, a lot better than much of the religious zealotry of the time.
>>676078595
If I were to choose a religion, it would probably be one who believes in Jesus. At least Jesus never raped a nine year old any way.
He died for everyone's sins lol God isn't a religion he's just God you can't label it.
I'm Catholic for my own reasons. My atheist friend is now Catholic because something kinda fucked up that happened to him that should have bitten him in the ass did not.
Everyone has a reason to believe or not.
My atheist friend and I had a discussion about religion. She brought up some things, taken out of context from the Bible, sounded pretty fucking bad. Once I cleared up some of the confusion she was like "Oh alright then, I can see how that can be misleading" and we went back to playing Zelda or something.
>went back to playing Zelda or something.
fuknig pussy
His life serves no purpose without the very thing he hates, evil. Without evil he has no reason to exist at all.
>>676078595
We go way back I crashed a wedding with that Jew once
>>676078595
As an atheist, i gotta say, he was a pretty cool guy.
And without God there could be no evil
I think he was an idea people used for an agenda. Nothing more, nothing less.
>>676078595
Why cant Christians build walls?
>>676078595
Jesus is fake
i think hes going to end evil and astonish the masses as he did once before lol fukin faggot
I think he was probably a very humble kind dude but hed be sickened about his religion in modern form
>>676080527
God commanded men to kill children. There's no taking that out of context.
>>676081575
Naw... I (an atheist) am pretty sure he was a real person. People may have exaggerated the miracles when they actually wrote the book later on, but they were certainly inspired by a real person trying to lead a religious movement.
>>676078595
If he really did exist, he was probably a chill ass dude
>>676078595
probably just an overrated cult-leader or a composite figure of the sorts of cult-leaders that were common at the time.
>>676078595
pretty much this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r9hhKnjwEw
You fucks are so ignorant. He really wasn't a nice guy at all.
>>676082248
WINRAR
>>676082292
You would know?
There are at least two reasons we might understand that Jesus was not entirely a “nice guy.” The first is that the Romans, despite anachronistic misunderstandings of their behavior and outlook, did not typically go around crucifying “nice guys.” Yes, while Jesus was without a doubt an innocent man who happened to be crucified, we should not forget that there was a reason that he drew attention to himself and it wasn’t for saying kind things about the way the status quo was maintained. More on that in a second.
The second reason that we can reasonably assume Jesus was not such a “nice guy” is that he tells us as much in today’s Gospel selection from Luke (and we hear it echoed in the synoptic Gospel of Matthew with an even-more disturbing emphasis on not-nice-guyness in terms of Jesus’s claim to bring “the sword”).
It can be difficult to get beyond the seemingly violent message that Jesus appears to convey in his exhortation to his disciples. We might hear in Jesus’s admittance that he didn’t come to “establish peace on the earth” something of an advocation for violence. But that’s not really what is going on.
Likewise, it might seem that Jesus does not respect “family values” (isn’t that an interesting read) in suggesting that those who follow him and live life according the Good News he announces will find themselves among divided families and communities. But that’s not really what is going on.
What is going on is a straightforward, albeit counterintuitive, admission of the risk, challenge, and reality of authentic Christian living that centers on following the Word of God and becoming a prophetic in one’s time and place!
In other words, we are called, like Jesus was, to not be “nice guys” (and “gals,” for those who aren’t Millennials and use “guys” in an inclusive manner).
He is my Lord and Savior.
>>676080148
Jesus told slaves to respect their masters. He never said slavery was immoral. God makes up rules for having sex but can't acknowledge slavery is cruel and immoral. What a dick.
>>676082411
I would fuck stick. I study shit so I'm not an ignorant pleb like you faggot.
>>676082251
This is better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJSZcxXe7IQ
Homeless man tells people he's the son of god. Why do atheists act like he was made up. I can find like 5 of those in my own city. Jesus really existed deal with it.
>>676082577
Ok so educate us ignorant plebs then
This I gotta see. Lol
>>676082842
This homeless man outlasted everyone else in his day through the scriptures.
What now?
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." – Matthew 10.34.
>nice guy not!
I think he was a coward if he even died for the reasons stated in the Bible.
"And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched ... And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell ... And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire." – Mark 9.43,47.
>>676083001
Exactly. I've had so many atheist fags tell me " I don't believe in Jesus". As if believing Jesus existed means believing in god. now if they said " I don't believe Jesus's claims" that would make more sense.
>>676083489
Why?
>>676083679
How do you know he existed?
If only Mary had a bath tub
https://youtu.be/SvA8NPAl2Dg
Jesus Christ, in fact, is incredibly arrogant. He calls himself "Lord and Master" (John 13.13) and those who follow him "Little children" (John 13.33). Or else, he's the "Shepherd" and you are the "sheep" – and sheep, of course, get fleeced!
JC's arrogance actually began early in life. Imagine the anguish that a 12-year-old going missing for 3 days causes his parents. Now the fable tells us that Jesus went missing and his "sorrowful" parents searched for three days before eventually finding the boy at the Temple. Yet Jesus doesn't apologize – he blames them for not knowing that he was doing his "real father's" business!
"And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them." – Luke 2.48,50
>>676083733
Mt 5:38"You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’
39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
44But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?
47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?
48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
>>676078595
10/10 would nail again.
>>676083805
There Is the same amount evidence for his existence than a lot of other accepted historical figures who only appear in only one source. why is there such bias towards the Bible as a historical reference.
He was something special.
>>676084567
Because any scholar will tell you the Bible isn't used as a historical reference.
>>676084567
The gospels of Mark, Matt, Luke and John don't agree on anything and you're going to use it as a reference?
>>676084710
So
What do the "scholars" use as a "historical reference"?
Your argument has holes.
>>676085139
I think you're grasping.
>>676082526
He didn't say slavery was moral either. The idea was to respect your authority. It's all in context.
I think he existed, but was actually a fucking awesome magician and illusionist; like copperfield. As people didn't understand that shit back then they likely exaggerated his status
>>676085139
Are you serious? Have you ever taken a class in your life?
>>676084710
Ok but why. all stories had to of originated somewhere and even if those stories have been exaggerated they they still hold historical value. See homers Iliad. Exaggerated stories about the Greeks. Still alot of figures in it were thought to be real people that existed at one point and since have been turned into myth.
>>676085534
a lot. It's not one word.
If he existed, which he probably did, he sounds like a genuine awesome bro. But I doubt he was "the son of god" or if there ever will be such a thing.
>>676085308
Not at all. I'm just wondering though, if something has been around for centuries and milennia and withstood the tests of many civilizations, why would you not use it as a "historical reference"?
Lol
>>676085534
Keep trying that old age arguement my man. It doesn't jive.
>>676085455
Shit negro
>>676085139
this
>>676084967
>don't agree on anything
They all speak of a man named Jesus. that's 4 sources more than many well established historical figures.
>>676078595
Enjoyed being his BFF. We had so much fun together best insane dude ever.
>>676085664
So what you're saying is I should be worshiping Osiris because he was around a lot longer than JC..
All that shit is recorded in Egypt.
>>676078595
He was a fairly OK dude. Unfortunately, since he's a celebrity, a lot of his fans claim to know him personally, and a chunk of 'em act like jerks if you're not a fan yourself.
>>676084967
Please explain how they "didn't agree on anything"....it's pretty damn accurate.
>>676078595
He seems okay
>>676078595
I don't think he ever existed. theres no proof of him besides stories.
and if he did exist, he was just come crazy guy whose mom was a hooker
>>676078595
There weren't no such niggah.
>>676085930
It's hearsay pal. it's all written hundreds of years after the fact. Nothing recorded during his lifetime. If he was such a game changer there would be shit.
>>676078595
he was the first shabas
he is a martyr created by the jews to begin the subjugation of european people
christianity is the worst thing to ever happen to white people
>>676086269
Are you serious accurate in what way?
>>676086337
Roman Records. Look it up. 100% false.
>>676086269
use google my man. You're really in need of some education.
>>676086140
Why not?
But in all honestly the shits been around ages upon ages longer than your ass and will be when your bones are dust. Doesn't mean you need to worship it, just pay attention to it and learn from it
He was a real person Romans have documentation of his execution and burial. It is even put into world history books
>>676086567
A sliver of of a statement that was entered in after the fact
>>676086607
Instead of using Google, I've read the gospels, multiple times. Have you?
>>676078595
Christianity only exists because sluts want to suck some jesus dick, I was raised christian so i know females are way more into this shit than men.
Imagine if that was a half naked mila kunis dieing for your sins, you'd be more into it right?
anyways he was just some sjw way ahead of his time who was executed for being a fucking asshole, everything else is just roman propoganda, and borrowings from older myths and legends (shit people make up to deal with the absurdity of death)
>>676086415
See illiad. Same shit. yet homer is regarded as a "historian". There a lot of kings and Pharaohs who historians claim existed beyond a shadow of doubt. Yet there name is only mention once on some obscure text.
>>676086886
Here faggot.
Being that they are from four different authors their will be different viewpoints.
The Gospel According to Mark begins at the baptism of Jesus, so we cannot be sure if Mark thought Jesus was divine from birth.
The Gospel According to Matthew begins with Jesus being born, Matthew says that the angels visited Joseph and made him aware of Jesus being a child of the Holy Spirit. This gives the impression that Jesus was divine since conception.
The Gospel According to Luke agrees with Matthew in the sense that Jesus was born of Holy Spirit and then would be considered divine from the conception.
The Gospel According to John is the only Gospel that even eludes to Jesus being divine from before conception. He believed that Jesus had been with God since creation, and was sent down from heaven. But does not mention his birth nor childhood.
>>676087058
Luke chapter 1 says that the Holy Spirit came to Mary and told her, before conception, that she would have a son and she was to call him Jesus.
Matthew chapter 1 says that Joseph is told about Mary's son being called Jesus, and that it was conceived in divine nature after she had been pregnant.
The problem here is that the prophecy that the birth of Jesus was to fulfill was in Isaiah 7:14. It reads as follows: "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel." Or so it says in the King James Version. One problem here is that Isaiah said he would be named Immanuel, which Jesus is never referred to as. Second, if you look at the Hebrew text it says that a "young woman" (Almah) will give birth, not a virgin (bethulah).
>>676087149
None of this bullshit is accurate and you read the Gospels my ass.
>>676078595
I think he was a cool philosopher who grew up Jew and went fuck this is all ridiculous and came up with his own ideas about what God's like.
Then he was killed and the empire realized Fuck we could use this to our advantage and made an even greater empire by twisting his teachings to the point where it'd unrecogniZable.
He wasn't a God. Just a cool dude with a good view on the world.
>>676078595
Jesus was an astronaut
>>676087306
was not cool. He killed a baby when he was a child.
Matthew 2:14 says that Joseph, Mary, and Jesus left for Egypt after Jesus was born, but on the other hand Luke 2:39 said they went straight to Nazareth.
In Matthew 3:17 a voice from heaven tells all of those people who witnessed Jesus being baptized "This is my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased". Meanwhile in Luke 3:22 it says that the voice from heaven spoke to Jesus and said "Thou art my beloved son, in thee I am well pleased". Luke 3:22 and Mark 1:11 agree on this subject. It is in Matthew though that everyone that witnessed the baptism heard from God that Jesus was his beloved son. Later on in Matthew the man who did the baptism is having doubts about Jesus in Matthew 11:2-3. How strange is that?
In Matthew 8:5, Jesus enters the Capernaum and is approached by a centurion. But when this story is told in Luke 7:3 it is the elders of the Jews that approach Jesus.
In Matthew 8:28 Jesus met two men who were possessed by devils. But in Mark 5:2 and in Luke 8:27, there was only one man who Jesus came across in this story.
In Matthew 9:18 Jesus is asked to help a ruler's dead daughter, but in Mark 5:23 and Luke 8:42 she was still alive.
All four gospels Agree that there were 12 apostles, but can you name them? There are 13 apostles included in the 12. Take a look at the apostles listed.
>>676087058
Just because they didn't mention the same events proves jack shit. They all had different roles. That ends that. And all of them believed he was divine from birth. It's clear the baptism was to set an example.
>>676078595
I'm sure that if he really existed, what is in the Bible has very little truth about what the man really did or said regardless. That said, much of what he is reported to have said and done is of great spiritual merit.
>>676087306
This x100
The Romans also borrowed some tricks from Egyptian empire to better control the people and turn a saviour into a jailer by adding stuff about the emperor being a God and son of God and follow the rules or else.
>>676084967
They aren't supposed to agree. Each gospel is meant to Appeal to a different audience. Mathew for Jews, Luke for Gentiles, mark for slaves, can't remember who John was for.
>>676087711
Keep grasping my man. That's what you feable minded folks do. Sorry you were brain washed as a child.
Here is my spin on this..... if jesus were to perform the miracles he performed during the Salem witch trials they would stone him for being a witch.
>>676087487
Nobody is perfect. He was most likely a bratty kid with an attitude as are most geniuses. Then found peace through religion and tried to preach loving each other and keeping money out of religion.
>>676082827
>>676087847
Love how you fucks pencil whip shit to make it sound legit.
>>676088130
That's why he was nailed a to a cross you dumbass.
>>676088018
No argument whatsoever. You can win with insults.
>>676078595
i dont care what they may say, jesus is just all right with me, he took me by the hand, led me far from this land, made me understand,
He is Risen!
>>676088305
No according to the "bible" it was because he was a jew
>>676088130
They did, but 1600 years minus the salem trials. Lol
>>676081743
That's emotional bullshit. Yes it can be taken out of context, because it is in context and meant to represent something. I don't remember what exactly but fuck outa here with your emotions.
>>676088438
Yea, he is basically risen. Happy easter
Jess was first pedo... touching all the little children
>>676085323
well, talking about context
the islam started counting age of a woman after her first menstruation.. so if she got it with 13
she was 13+9 = 21 years old
Only today muslims abuse this as "no no, she was 9, so I need to fuck 9 year olds, too"
agnostic here btw, no muslim
>>676088018
>calling someone feeble-minded
>misspell feeble
>putting a space between brain and washed
>brainwashed
>mfw
>>676078595
He was a person who existed and probably preached a bunch of righteous (read: legit/honest) shit, and the message has been convoluted through innumerable interpretations and translations.
>>676081743
when did he do that?
King Jesus Christ is the one true Lord and savior. All who say otherwise are heretics and must be purged.
fuck all religions
fuck them all
just be a good person, you don't need a book or some lecture to tell you how to be a decent human bean. just fucking do it and be rewarded.
>>676078595
I don't.
You're right I forgot. There is a God/JC.that's why we have this shit running around.
>>676089071
this nigger gets it.
>>676081737
Humble? He claimed to be God and said you HAVE to follow him. To the people that criticize religion by claiming that Jesus was in any way opposed to it:
He said he came to bring the sword. Said that only through him you could be saved. Told multiple men to leave their whole lives for him. He's not a humble cool peace loving guru, at least not entirely. He claimed to be God and that's the important thing about him.
>>676078595
Never meth the guy
>>676088799
>she was 13+9 = 21 years old
13+9 = 22 not 21 you niggerloving asscavern shitfuck toothpaste-covered hot dog scum of the earth
>>676088799
>13+9=21.....
oh lord, please let it rain brain
>>676089916
I already stated this shit.
>>676078595
He said a lot of beautiful/wise things, some rather crazy things, and a whole bunch of things that really don't mean anything if you don't believe in the truth of his gospel. Overall, I find him very interesting, though not sure he is worthy of his place in culture, just speaking of contribution. There are and were plenty of great thinkers out there, but people get so caught up in the individuals delivering the message.
Modern Day Christians seem to follow only the old testament and the stuff His disciples said after He died, not actually what He preached
>>676090725
He said a bunch of fucked up shit too.
>>676091066
You know this how?
>>676091080
Yeah, that's what I meant by crazy things. There's plenty of quotes just in this thread. I think his true wisdom should be remembered and valued, however. Unfortunately, most people refuse to cherry pick Jesus' sayings.
>>676091161
Look at American Christians.
This was part of the reason why I stopped going to church
>>676089071
Unless people are fallen creatures that are naturally dicks.
>>676091066
I disagree. Modern Day Christians follow nothing in the bible, but just condemn and judge others in their minds while doing more or less the same things.
>>676090606
Fuck you I stated it too
>>676091902
Suck a cock. Repeat fag.
>>676091800
If I followed shit in the bible I'd kill 25 million people.
>>676091434
It's ok, just go catholic.
Jesus was just a man with an ighly energized heart chakra and throat chakra. I hope to one day emulate his love for all of mankind, without expecting anything in return.
>>676085664
I don't think he said you should be worshiping anyone.
As for historical reference pretty sure the year count we use is based on Jesus. So there's that.
First famous magician
>>676092138
really funny, anon
>>676091997
No homosexual acts are sins.
>>676092341
So was your birth.
>>676092289
Not joking. Or orthodox.
David Koresh of 30AD
>>676092532
My parents were married tho
>>676078595
i like him. hope he was trolling about the son-of-god thing.
but if people need a rolemodel, i would recommend jesus. certainly better than some polygamist pedophile illiterate warlord.
Bishop Robert Barron
Peter Hitchens
Good to listen to while you do stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUoqodiI15Y
>>676093012
He wasn't trolling. But it's never too late to convert
>>676078595
hippie jew cuck but nice guy overall, would hand out with
probably just some dude people really liked
>>676079817
too idealistic for his own good
>>676081467
>implying human beings won't find ways to categorize activities as right or wrong without religion
>>676089916
Never once did he claim to be God.
He claimed to be the Son of God.
He did say he was the way the truth and the light.
That simply meant he was teaching, setting examples, explaining, and fulfilling prophecy.
He did not tell folks to worship himself he said to worship God.
He did say he came to set brother against brother and to bring the sword and he did men have now fought argued and debated his divinity and his message for centuries.
He did not desire that he simply acknowledged that it was going to happen.
I can not say that religion has accomplished much we would call good.
But sadly most of us humans find it easier to blame others and to fight those we refuse to relate to and accept as brothers.
I certainly am not perfect but I can say that because if what Christ taught I would rather die then kill to support what Christ taught.
>>676081737
Dunno about humble, but probably had his mind in the right place.
>>676081743
a five year old points a gun at your dick and shoots it off, then points it at your face. How do you respond?
>>676089052
>must be purged.
Christ did not teach that or support that.
You certainly have every right to teach the Law*.
You certainly can struggle to follow the Law*.
You should never be arrogant enough to enforce the Law*.
You have every right to die for what you believe, but "peter" turn the other cheek. Do not kill in Gods name he does not need your assistance.
*I use the term "Law" to mean the 10 commandments and not every silly ritualistic teaching of men in funny hats.
>>676082292
makes a statement about him being a dick without saying why, c'mon man
>>676078595
He's some.imaginary faggot composed.of other real gods
>>676089052
you sound like isis
Honestly He's a pretty cool guy who doesn't afraid of anything.
Probably the best hero you could have.
>>676078595
Well done, OP, well done. You've managed to discover a way to make cancer eat itself. Nobel Prize for you!
>>676078595
Not a believer in the whole Christian thing, but the mythology around JC was cool and I'm really interested in religious studies and biblical scholarship. Xity has some interesting stuff going for it, but I think that about most religions so meh.
>>676082456
I don't totally disagree with you, but I'd like to hear more about the family values subject.
He was "The Guy"
>>676083001
that doesn't prove/disprove anything, it just proves he was a homeless guy who stayed popular
Dead.
>>676095245
>not atheist
>Satanism
Kys for following your gay jesus religion
>>676084264
yeah the whole turn the other cheek thing is bullshit, how many poor kids you think have allowed themselves to be bullied for far too long because of that statement?
>>676084294
beautiful
>>676081743
>God commanded men to kill children.
Not even once.
He never commanded such things men in funny hats who lied and claimed to work in his name may have said as much,
God spared the first Murderers life and only killed to defend the Hebrew people else prophecy and promise might not have been fulfilled.
When the first born of Egypt died the curse was spoken of by Pharaoh not by God. Snidely! Pharaoh could have prevented it all simply by letting the Hebrew people leave.
When the young men threw actual stones at the Prophet Elija he had not yet fulfilled the promise and so a she bear came and killed them. But even in Jericho the men did little more than to march around the city and shout.
Now in the wars between the Hebrew people and various groups ending with "stine" Philistines for example It is believe these were hybrid races (See Genesis 6:4) Perversions like Goliath who were not exactly "humans" They were trying again to destroy the Hebrew people and to prevent Gods promises being fulfilled. Had the Hebrew people been destroyed Christ might never have been able to be born. This is also the reason for the very local event called "Noah's flood" to destroy these -stines or Gheber.
>>676085632
literally contributes nothing to the conversation
He pretty much spread ideas of Buddhism to Jews who already had an ideology built around a single god. Over all his teachings were decent. I always took him as an alagory to show that we are all like him. We are all jesus. There is the god which is everything making up our physical universe and we the children of god are also god because of this. Therefore we treat others as we would like to be treated because we are all one another. We are all god.
>>676083805
it doesn't really matter whether he actually existed or not, people's belief in him shaped world events for better or worse. The non-existence of a person doesn't change people's percepetions of the world if 'they' believe in him
>>676096597
>Pharaoh could have prevented it all simply by letting the Hebrew people leave.
>The Jews could have prevented the Holocaust simply by leaving Europe.
Through him I find salvation.
He did for our sins
He is the son of God
He is risen, rejoice forever more!
>>676086140
the important thing isn't whether or not he actually existed, the important thing is the people who believed in him made and still make an impact on history. For better or worse
Tbh I would blaze with him.
>was probably some nice guy
>didn't die for anyone's sins
>didn't come back to life
>wasn't son of god
>isn't ever coming back (because he was a normal, mortal human, just like us)
>>676078595
he is Evil
>>676086269
They agreed on some things, but there are a number of contradictions, that could be said about any historical figure, doesn't really prove anything
He is my Lord and savior.
>>676078595
>>676097164
That too was Prophecy.
True Jews were destroyed by Hitler what we have today are for the most part liars who are no longer Gods Chosen People. Messiah has been and gone that races time is past.
Now we are in the end of days and liars abound.
Revelations 2:9 and 3:9
Israel was destroyed for a time but needed to exist in the end. So it has been re-founded, and is filled with both chaff and wheat. (Good and Evil) The Holocaust simply had to happen to garner support for another Hebrew Nation.
Please note I do NOT support the harm of those mentioned in Revelations as I quoted it above. I am no ones judge, I simply observe and teach what is to come as Christ taught it.
This means that I do not support harming anyone who claims to be Jewish. Nor do I side with them.
>>676086415
just because it's hearsay doesn't mean he wasn't significant as an idea in people's minds. If I made up some guy who totally embodied your beliefs and a thousand years later my made up story of the guy shaped a significant portion of the population's view of the world, his existence as an idea in people's minds will still be significant
>>676086716
exactly, even if I read a book that's entirely fictional and it still gives me some good ideas about the world doesn't automatically make my ideas invalid
>>676086888
word up
>>676087774
this
Seemed chill
>>676088187
lol just cause it's fake doesn't mean there aren't good ideas in it. If I watch my favorite movie and I like some of the ideas in it does that make my ideas invalid?
>>676078595
I don't think much at all.
No physical evidence of Yeshuwa being alive.
No written evidence by any Roman writer or official.
The "gospels" were written decades later.
There were numerous prophets and saviour types at the time.
So who cares?
>>676078595
Based on actual history... Probably a real guy, probably said some good stuff, but probably also just that. Not the son of god or whatever, because god doesn't exist.
>>676088468
no, it was because he challenged the status quo, remember, the jewish men in power were some of the people who called for his execution, it was about power, not his religion.
>>676088018
go take a class in grammar you stupid fuck
>>676089071
I mean, I agree, but just cause you happen to read a book and there's good ideas in it doesn't mean you can't use the ideas you agree with.
>>676096824
saved!
>>676078595
He was a good goy
>>676078595
The Romans really NAILED it with their judgement...
>>676101087
Bet Jesus was pretty CROSSed though
>>676096723
This
>>676086811
There are no records actually. Jesus was an insignificant trouble maker in judea and no historian ever mentioned him. Anything written about him appeared only after his death and were based on the stories made by early christians/followers
>>676082526
Jesus never said a word about specified slavery. Like, fucking read the Bible. Like I said, I don't follow religion but if I could pick one it would have to do with Jesus. Muhammad raped children. Married babies. I've read the Quran. Fucking backwards ass shit. Christianity is backwards as well. But Jesus Christ was a good man.
>>676087711
>i'm right and that's the end off this discussion!
>>676101601
And why would early "Christians" spread a fake story? For what purpose? Please explain.
>>676101601
Untrue.
Folks like you keep searching the existing records for the name Jesus instead of his actual Hebrew name. Else you just reject the historical records simply becasue you want to.
I have read many claiming Pilate did not exist etc..
Course in modern day I read folks saying milk is bad for us or good for us or soy bean juice is bad or good and should not be called milk.
You certainly have every right to believe as you wish as do I.
But your claims such as this are able to easily be debated.
>>676094501
>the father and I are one
although a translation reads: the father 's will and mine are one
>>676101922
Are you saying you've never heard of any ancient religions of any sort? Ever? Egyptian? Greek? Roman? Zeus? Ever heard of him? Think he really existed, do ya? Osiris? Zoroaster? Someone made them up.
>>676096597
Old testament contains passages where they are told to completely eradicate the non believers
>>676082475
Me too
>>676102341
>the father 's will and mine are one
So I said. and now so do you.
Certainly NOT the same as saying "I am God."
>>676102395
Can you show any proof that any one of those groups were being persecuted by two separate entities (Jewish and Roman) and put to death if caught practicing.
Once again- What gain did these "early Christians" have to spread the word of something that would sent them to a miserable and painful death. Can you explain in detail what their plan was?
>>676102587
Can you cite those passages please.
>>676102587
It certainly does.
But it is not God who is supposed to have said it.
Many things in the Bible are the words and Opinions of MEN and not God.
Read Matthew 19 regarding Divorce.
Men wanted it, Moses said OK.
God never did.
>>676078595
MARKY IS BACK!!!!
MARKY IS BACK!!!!
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>>676102227
No one mentioned anyone who matched with the description of jesus of the new testament. By description, i mean his deeds/teachings and stuff.
i've tried looking for anything but there is none except for hearsays. If you have sources claiming otherwise, I would love to see them. No sarcasm.
Partied
Drank
Hung out with sinners, prostitutes
Threw huge keggers, talked about meaning of life, always in trouble with cops
A real bro
Solid dude, beyond politics and even religion. Like most enlightened types, all he wanted to do was help people in need and relieve suffering. Unfortunately for him, he was fucked twofold: the Jewish tradition doesn't understand the more esoteric Jesus-jive (former being fire and brimstone, latter having more in common with Indian and Eastern thought ie God is love as opposed to God will fucking destroy you if you even...man...GTFO), and also that JC's whole kingdom parables didn't fly well with the political rulers at the time.
Had Jesus been born in India, he would simply have been another spiritual person. Good man, wrong place, wrong time. Nobody was ready over there for contemplation, meditation or any inner search. God is the strict abusive father, and his sons and daughters tremble in fear under him...and everyone liked it that way...JC came in and fucked it up...and ultimately died for it. The story of Socrates is not that dissimilar, actually...
>>676102863
Im not about to look up exact passages, so i guess you could take it with a grain of salt.
>>676103258
>hearsays
Gospel of John is widely agreed to be a first hand account.
>>676103258
http://www.thenazareneway.com/likeness_of_our_saviour.htm
http://www.josephus.org/testimonium.htm
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/lbob/lbob29.htm
http://www.neverthirsty.org/about-christ/historical-quotes/pontius-pilate/
I hope one of the above helps?
>>676103556
Then how about you STFU and let the adults talk?
>>676103556
then don't fucking say anything
>>676103663
Ohhh. Do you need some cream for that butthurt? I thought we were having a civil discussion here?
He was a good guy better than most of us anyway
>>676087149
Immanuel is a Hebrew word that means "G-d with us".
>>676104141
I am too lazy to look up what civil means so stfu you fucking fat cuck.
>>676078595
I reckon Jesus was a pretty chill dude and wanted everyone to be nicer to each other instead of cruel assholes. He probably said some things that got taken out of context and then was killed because his deluded followers got too obsesse, proclaiming him the son of God. Then they wrote some shitty fanfiction that accidentally a worldwide cult nowadays.
>>676078595
I don't. He isn't relevant today. He may have been cool but he was just a man. No god. This whole Bible shit got out of hand. Watch life of Brian. It's accurate as fuck.
>>676078595
>abolished old testament bullshit
>Gave us eternal life
>loved the children
>laid down the new comandment stating that we must love each other as he loved us.
He wanted to end corruption of the temple, wanted to free the people from worldly possesion, wanted to give us love and salvation. Pretty cool guy.
>>676104859
He isn't relevant today? See what happens when spend all your time in mommy's basement reading The Onion?
Are you fucked? Christians run the world. If the Pope farts he's front page news and that's some of Christianity,
>>676102800
Sure I'm sure there are plenty of history books from back in early Greek times. Are you saying any new religion that challenges the status quo is met with open arms?
Anyway, Hitchens's razor genius. First you provide firsthand proof of Jesus' existence.
>>676103662
Josephus was born after christ's death so he cant have a firsthand account
>>676103593
Im looking for accounts other than the gospels, preferably by contemporary historians at the time of jesus' existence
>>676105614
Can you provide first hand proof that Lycurgus existed? Homer?Siddhārtha Gautama?
You know what's worst than thinking you are intelligent? Being dumb af and thinking you are intelligent.
>>676105825
Yeah we don't have first hand accounts of Aristotle or Plato either. (For that matter who knows what color the skin of any particular Dinosaur was?)
Josephus provided accounts of others who DID have first hand knowledge.
Sometimes we have to take what we can get.
(But I do apologize for including it as it did not meet with Anons specific request.)
>>676106228
But I don't claim any of those guys existed.
>>676078595
I think when Judas betrayed him, he was a little cross
>>676106163
Do you believe Alexander the Great existed? We believe he existed based on 5 ancient sources. NONE were eye witness accounts. Plutarch wrote his Life of Alexander 400 years after yet not one neck beard fedora wearing fat fuck questions Alexander. Is it because he fucked men and was good looking...allegedly since no first hand eyewitness accounts exist therefore using fat man logic- he didn't exist.
>>676106960
You're barking up the wrong tree.
>>676107273
Why? Too stupid to debate properly? Back to WoW and Mountain Dew fatty
>>676101601
asserts there are no records of Jesus
>>676101922
>And why would early "Christians" spread a fake story? For what purpose? Please explain.
You shift onus of proof not only on tot them but in to some bizarre territory.
Since you seem to be claiming there IS proof of Jesus' existence. Put up or shut up.
>>676106381
>>676106766
Ahhh. I was just stating that there are no records of a guy matching the jesus of the new testament other than those of the gospels.
see>>676101601
>>676108251
If I use your basis of proof then please prove Alexander the Great existed + 1000 other people we belive existed.
No first hand accounts were written about many people you dumb fuck. You realize Spartans kept ZERO records so their whole fucking history is second hand accounts.
>>676108538
Yeah and no records that Alexander The Great existed. Does that mean he didn't or you are just a fat neckbeard lonely miserable fuck?
>>676095635
I can't believe I ever liked that stupid fucking movie
>>676108678
Not the guy you were replying to but the difference is that the sources can be cross referenced. Also, there are archeological evidences that point to the civilization (which i think also answers the alexander the great argument)
>>676108678
And yet you asked me for proof of early Hera worshipers were persecuted? Or to explain the actions of early Christians? Are you saying that EVERYONE ELSE made it up, BUT the early Christians? Really?
And yet again, I do not claim that any of those people existed. I will say there is a lot more evidence they did, however.
I think that most of what the bible says about him is based on rumours and hearsay, which was initially spread by illiterate peasants until finally someone wrote it down.
He, whether he was son of god or not, because there is real evidence of his execution.
Maybe he really was on a mission from god. It's hard to say what's real when the bible was written as it was. The jist of it might be true.
So I guess Jesus was cool
>>676108538
Forgive me as I point out that it is far too common for folks to demand extra-biblical proof without either knowing or admitting that the Bible is NOT a single book. It is a compilation of a number of different books that were put together at the behest or the Council of Nicaea and later translated to English sponsored by King James and eventually re-printed in 1611.
More can be found by special appointment or request to authorities in the Vatican or Jerusalem. Again we have what we have.
Best I can offer is to point to Psalm 22 and point out that as prophecy. Its source predates the existence of Rome, Crucifixion, and Christ. It is well documented to have existed as part of the Torah..
>>676108798
See>>676108832
There is evidence that the macedonians invaded persia and reached as far as india. His name may not be alexander or some stories about him may not be true, but it could be proven that a king/general did these things.
We better do a good job at sinning or he died for nothing
I believe in the Jesus of the New Testament as well of the one of the Book of Mormon. And that he is a being distinct from God the father
>>676110447
Linked wrong post.>>676109062
>>676109704
Have you ever talked to a Jewish person and asked why they don't see Psalm 22 as a fulfilled prophecy?
The reason is that the verse in question never WAS a prophecy, and Jesus did not fill the requirements of the Messiah as per scripture.
Zombie King
>>676078595
I think cool story bro, needs more dragons.
>>676109704
I am aware that the bible we have today is compilation. My issue is with the authenticity of the events. Whether there was divine inspiration as these accounts were written is a different discussion, just to be clear about my intent here.
>>676087667
>Matthew 2:14 says that Joseph, Mary, and Jesus left for Egypt after Jesus was born, but on the other hand Luke 2:39 said they went straight to Nazareth.
BS
Stopped reading.
>>676112472
No because to date I have not ever met a Jewish person. As I may have mentioned above.
But I could get in to the whole Conspiracy matter and try explaining it to you buy you are probably far better off remaining ignorant of the matter.
In Moses time he wrote the lessor and greater Massorah becasue some who claimed to be Hebrew scribes were tryint to re-write what would become Toprah eventaully. He decided to fix the meanings and words. Sadly though since then and especially in Christs time the Hebrew people have been infiltrated and corrupted by folks who desire power and control and keep far too many secrets. Finding the truth of Prophecy is not an easy task. I however stand by what I typed there..
It IS a documented verse contained in Torah.
The Prophecy we have in English is not perfect nor was it in Christs time. There are evil folks out there who will do anything to try and prevent Gods word from ever making its way to you.
tldr; Yeshua was Messiah.
Good day.
>>676081575
Considering the 12 apostle have been confirmed as real, all having died under several different countries. I'd refute your statement to say that it took Rome hundreds of years to take in Christians. Kind of strange when history backs up events from a religion?
>tfw formerly atheist because of religious people and not because of the religion itself
I personally believe I was shown signs to turn towards religion that was way too specific to be coincidence when searching for answers in life, so I personally believe in Jesus but am still reading more up on it.
>>676113173
You are wise to doubt the authenticity of events.
You should have the same doubts with modern media, and most every word that comes out of the mouth of any claiming to be teachers, bankers, government, or holy men.
Certainly also feel free to doubt me.
Pray to God if you will and honestly seek the truth. Perhaps you will find it one day.
But obviously I am not the one to teach you nor are you seeking what I have to offer.
God Bless
>>676087667
>>676113442
this
It's one of many differences between Matthew and Luke which reflect the differences in their sources and/or the goals they had for their compositions (i.e., the ideas they wanted to get across to their readers). But a difference is not a contradiction. It may be helpful to start by describe the itinerary of the Holy Family, combining the two accounts:
1. Mary and Joseph travel from Nazareth in Galilee to Bethlehem. There, Mary gives birth to Jesus.
2. Forty days later, in Jerusalem, they appear at the temple in Jerusalem to offer Marys purification-offering.
3. Shortly after this, at a house, the wise men -- who have left Jerusalem to go to Bethlehem -- visit, and present their gifts of gold, myrrh, and frankincense to Jesus.
4. That same night, an angel warns Joseph to take the Child and His mother and go to Jesus. Joseph does so.
5. Some time later, the Holy Family arrives in Egypt, where they stay until the death of Herod the Great.
6. Joseph returns from Egypt, and goes to Nazareth.
Matthew does not mention that Joseph and Mary traveled to Bethlehem from Nazareth; when he mentions Nazareth, it is a fresh introduction, as if Nazareth might as well be a new place to Mary and Joseph. But while this indicates the limits of Matthews literary sources -- i.e., it shows that Matthew did not know that Joseph and Mary had previously lived in Nazareth -- it does not pose a historical contradiction with Luke, who agrees that they settled down in Nazareth. The problem is that Luke does not mention the trip into Egypt. Specifically, in 2:39, Luke writes: "So when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned to Galilee, to their own city, Nazareth." Meanwhile, in Matthew 2:14-15 and 2:21-23, the Holy Family makes a trip to Egypt before going to Nazareth.
>>676082456
The greatest commandment of all is to Love the lord your God. The second greatest commandment is to love your neighbor as yourself. Follow these two rules, and you fucking win.
Most of what you said is very unreasonable. Especially because he meant it figuratively as though families would be divided. (i.e Jews vs. Christians).
Historical figure, a Rabbi, said a lot of things to upset the locals at the time.
Was crucified on a Y shaped tree, was left there for a few days but was alive when let down again. He had older brothers and sisters (by Mary), but was caught up in a martyr cult years later where miraculous acts and a special birth were added, these were taken from other messiahs that the Cathoilic church tried hard to remove from history (go check, I ain't lyin'!).
They used to tie people up when they crucified them, nails wouldn't support the weight of a human body.
Whatever his message was everyone throughout history has ignored it and killed in the millions those whom chose not to join in.
Christianity is a sect of Judaism, why can't people realize that?
>>676082475
Me as well.
>>676113173
Oh I apologize for ranting. I did mean to point you in the direction of a fellow skeptic who is making great strides in proving many of the Biblical events.
Lee Strobel a former investigative journalist who did not believe most religious claims but his wife did.
Some of his stuff is fascinating I hope you will look him up.
>>676114307
Yeah man me too
>>676078595
I believe in god because i was talking about whether the pope could abdicate, like 1,2 weeks before he did, and then the new pope had my name.
Why do Christians/Catholics worship the cross? Seems pretty weird that we would worship what Jesus was tortured with.
>>676114939
>Y shaped tree
False
>was alive when let down again
False
>He had older brothers and sisters (by Mary)
False
>these were taken from other messiahs that the Cathoilic church tried hard to remove from history (go check, I ain't lyin'!)
False
>>676115613
>worship the cross
'no'
>>676115613
My use of it as kind of an avatar is not meant to imply worship of it. It simply helps identify my posts. To most it is simply an identifiable symbol to us.
I worship God. I don't actually even claim to directly worship Christ.
I support and follow his teachings.
I try hard not to discuss or debate his divinity or the trinity as they are very divisive issues and my personal goal is to unite folks. To hopefully find as much common ground as is possible.
>>676114325
Like for example, the seige of jericho and herod's mass infanticide are not supported by any other sources/evidence aside from what is mentioned in the scriptures.
I agree with what you just said, although that is another discussion entirely.
>>676078595
The golden rule was his mantra, and he managed to actually live by it!
Was cool, takes balls.
So, Jeebus, if'n you's still around; Wifey's making them bacon-and-rosemary meatballs inna spicy gravy with hashbrowns and sweet sweet peas, and there's plenty to go round.
I reckon you's not a brew type of fella, but I have a couple a bottles of amarone somewhere. Drop by round about 6, and there'll be time to chill a bit with your feet up afore dinner.
>>676116127
Proof?
>>676116609
Jesus sounds like he was a really cool dude.
>>676116766
That burden is on you.
>>676116609
>you's not a brew type of fella,
First miracle was water to wine yet many religious folks preach the evil of drink...
I think he would have liked you.
I know he loved you enough to die for you.
I think it was pretty cool how he inspired that book entitled "Life for dummies" I like all the amendments too, they help keep the book relevant to modern times.
>>676117045
Jesuswascrucified on a tree, according to Apostle Peter. Acts 5:30 30 The God of our fathers...
I just did a quick google search. Im not the anon who claimed it though.
I think he was on a higher plane of existence, i personally believe he studied with the monks in the 20 years he dissappeard and gained forbidden knowledge
>>676116598
Many things in the Bible are kind of obscure some historical figures and places names are unable to be found including the name JESUS..
Christ taught in parable he said to prevent those who had eyes but could not see and those who had ears but could not hear would not learn of things they should not learn.
If the folks who rule this world today thought the bible would be accepted as 100% fact and would threaten their rule? They would simply burn every copy of the book. Much the same as those in power in Christs day would have had him put to death.. Oh wait..
TLDR Seek the truth. No one can or will give it to you easily. In fact most religious groups want to sell you their version for a profit rather than to guide you to the Prophets.
>>676116282
I said "we" not "you"
>>676117300
He was a brew type of person.
He was rightfully King of the 'Brews.
>MFW he was a rennesance (however you spell it) befpahead of his time
>MFW he only spoke of being the son of God etc in a matter of fact way so that the uneducated and.dim could understand his philosophies
>MFW his love for the people and.humanity as a whole proved to be his downfall
>MFW 2000 years later were still talking about this nigga and people STILL think his metaphors are to be taken literally
>MFW Jesus was way to advanced for his times nigga
>>676118249
I know, but I can only speak generally guessing of others and more specifically of myself.
>>676118289
*Chuckling*
Jesus?
I personally subscribed to the idea of ancient aliens and the like, so I've always thought of Jesus being an outer-worldly being.
How else did he accomplish some of those unreal mind-breaking events like walking on water and the like..?
He was probably a good guy, jolly even.
Then he died and supposedly came back from the dead. HE TURNED INTO A DAMNED ZOMBIE.
>>676118203
Im curious, how many images of crosses do you have and did you save them exactly for this kind of threads?
>>676118775
I am unsure and yes.
(Just checked the folder and it says 50.)
>>676117999
He wasn't.
He's OK as a book character.
Jesus was the best bro. Fuckin turns water to wine, shiiieeet fam. Nigga doin it right.
But seriously, that do unto others and love thy neighbor stuff are the reason Christianity isnthe best religion for western civilization, it's biggest rule is, "don't shot on other people's fun." You can not partake without being a self-righteous bitch.
>>676078595
That it's likely that he never even existed. His existence isn't confirmed in any objective historical texts. The bible obviously claims he does, but that's not really a reliable source what with the miracles and resurrection.
>>676119711
No it isn't. Christianity is fundamentally the same as every other western religion. Both religious books have parts advocating for violence against non-believers (for instance) and conflicting parts advocating peace. Christianity is only so popular because it took over Rome and spread from there. In 1000 years it'll almost certainly be basically non-existent.
>>676120457
The Orangistic Bible, Anon.
It's gotta be a thing. We just need the Butlerian Jihad to kick off first.
