>tfw you realize there's no actual historical evidence that Jesus even existed
>tfw you realize nowhere in the Bible does it actually say that the scriptures or Bible are the infallible words of God
>tfw you realize the only reasons Christians have morality is because of their fear of hell and their desire to go to heaven
>tfw you realize you just converted to atheism
>tfw you just turned 13
>>675913398
Children are revered in Christianity as perfect vessels of the divine spirit, and the metamorphosis of children into flawed adults is traditionally seen as a reason for sadness
why do so many people believe in such stupid shit?
god isnt real...
:^]
>>675913792
>tfw you have to use assumptions because you have no better way to respond to logic
Children are treated with the highest respect and dignity in traditional Christianity
The church that exists today is clearly evil
>>675914015
Are you retarded? I'm saying any intelligent human can see this by the time they hit puberty.
>>675913792
>tfw u love god but realized he is a fucking fake faggot.
>>675914186
False Christians accuse children of lying and punish them harshly for mere mistakes
>>675914186
Is that King Solomon? Kek
>>675913398
And?
>>675914974
>tfw "And?" because no better way to respond to solid logic
>>675914532
im
nailed
right
in
fagggggot
>>675915145
im
not
real
idiot
>tfw you realize that the possibility of aliens using the Earth as a petri-dish has a high probability
>tfw you realize that even the new bacteria and viruses could also be part of the petri-dish has a high probability
>tfw you realize that aliens are using the planet as a testing ground for scientific breakthroughs just as every country does the same during war or in their own little petri-dish's
>tfw you realize you are ependable
>tfw you realize that vodka is cheaper than a 6-pack
>tfw you realize life doesn't matter
>tfw you realize that weed is cheaper than vodka
>tfw you realize you should just say fuck it and not worry about religion
>tfw you realize you are happier
>tfw you realize you can split a dime of weed with that girl you know
>tfw you realize you might get laid
>tfw you realize you should buy condoms
>tfw you realize you only have enough money for weed, food and drinks
>tfw you realize skin on skin is better than nutting in a rubber sock
>tfw you realize you have already called that girl and are heading out for weed, food and drinks; not in that order
>tfw you realize this post was just long enough for you to read and realize you wasted a few minutes of your life
>tfw you realize you could have called that girl and gone out for weed, food and drinks; not in that order by now
>tfw you realize you should pick music for smoking weed tonight
>tfw you realize you need to shower for that girl
>tfw you realize your house is a mess
>tfw you realize crack heads are always cleaning
>tfw you realize you should pay a crack head to clean your place
>tfw you realize tyrone is a crack head
>tfw you realize you could pay tyrone to clean your place from now on
>tfw you realize that tyrone could be a paid slave
>tfw you realize that you are going to be a plantation owner
>tfw you realize you should grow your own weed
>tfw you realize you are already high as a mother fucker
>>675915132
What response is needed. Those were just statements. Not an argument.
What next?
>>675913398
tfw praise the Lord I saw the Light! He is Risen!
>>675915349
>tfw you realize that there is no evidence whatsoever of the Earth being a petri dish for aliens
>tfw you realize there is tons of evidence of Earth being formed over the course of 4.543 billion years
>>675915705
>"What response is needed?"
>*responds*
The argument is that neither God nor Jesus are real.
>>675913398
That moment, when Roman Census Documents establish the historical Jesus of Nazereth.
“Many a searching, although blind, mind has mistaken religion for some philosophical system. Too irreverent and profane handling of religion often makes of it a science, a pastime study. Now and again we come by the way of such who make religion a speculation; yes, and a speculation without a question as to its nature. Do you not know that religion is one of the qualities of your soul? An essential substance, I might say, to be plain, of your self-recognizing, self-satisfied, living spirit? Those who are convinced of this fact are not indifferent to religion. Indifferentism has no place in the serious life of one who seeks to be right-minded.”
>>675916058
>tfw you realize my response was a joke you nut fuck
>tfw you realize you are a fuck knuckle shredded beef cunt lipped jungle monkey
>tfw you realize you take life to seriously
>tfw you realize you are trolling a troll thread
>tfw you realize this is basic training
>tfw you realize your life is meaningless
>tfw you realize all life is meaningless
>tfw you realize that nothing matters at all
>tfw you realize you should kill yourself
>>675916483
None of the secular historians of Rome or Israel between 1 AD and 33 AD even mention Jesus. He is not mentioned in any historical documents or accounts of that time period either.
>>675913398
>The greatest enemy of knowledge of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.
I'm not religious, but also not a smug bitch claiming to know what comes after death. All I know is that death is permanent and happens to everyone. Please, OP, go do your homework and chores before mommy yells again.
>>675916912
What happens after death:
you are buried and your nutrients are reabsorbed back into the Earth. gg, get off my thread please.
>>675916329
You're really good at reading into things people aren't even typing. Good job.
"What response is needed" does not indicate I don't believe a response should happen. It's a question.
"And?" does not indicate a lack of response to a collection of statements. Simply waiting for a follow-up.
You don't believe God exists. That's it?
Neat.
That was fun, thanks.
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>>675917367
LOL. Running away because you can't argue that your god exists? *Yaaaaaaaaaaawn*
>>675915349
>tfw you realize crack heads are always cleaning
>tfw you realize you should pay a crack head to clean your place
Kek
>>675916329
There is historical evidence that a person named Jesus existed. Weather or not you believe he was God in carnate is a matter Of faith.
>>675917120
Hey kid, 4chan is a public place, kinda like a really fucked up park. If you post it, you've given up your right to have it kept private. If you don't like me opinions, that's too damn bad.
>>675918183
found the infuriated christian
>>675918017
Yes, many people named Jesus have existed. Unfortunately, there is no evidence for Christianity's Jesus ever existing. Prove me wrong.
>protip: you can't
>>675916775
The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Christ, his execution by Pontius Pilate, and the existence of early Christians in Rome in one page of his final work, Annals(book 15, chapter 44.[1]) which was written 116 AD.
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>>675919200
XD i tagged myself. fuck life
>>675918618
The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Christ, his execution by Pontius Pilate, and the existence of early Christians in Rome in one page of his final work, Annals(book 15, chapter 44.[1]) which was written 116 AD.
>>675918398
>is a closed minded pleb
>not even a high school education
>doesn't like people with other ideas
>you're a (fill in the blank with something I don't like)
I honestly don't believe in anything. In fact, the bible is so filled with murder and incest that I'm surprised it's allowed in schools anymore.
Back to tumblr you go now!
>>675918618
Another important source of evidence about Jesus and early Christianity can be found in the letters of Pliny the Younger to Emperor Trajan. Pliny was the Roman governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor. In one of his letters, dated around A.D. 112, he asks Trajan's advice about the appropriate way to conduct legal proceedings against those accused of being Christians. Pliny says that he needed to consult the emperor about this issue because a great multitude of every age, class, and sex stood accused of Christianity.
>>675919730
>obvious infuriated christian is obvious
>>675913398
>tfw
At first it is anger and indignation. You become the cringey, more-intelligent-than-thou atheist. This is particularly true if you were raised religious. You feel like you overcame some intellectual obstacle or hurdle that those of "lesser intelligence" failed to do. And that is okay. When you figure you've been lied to your whole life that is a pretty natural reaction and some, like Richard Dawkins, never really grow out of this.
But then you cool down. And realize that religion for some is not all about "God is real and you are wrong for thinking he isn't," but more, "I need to believe God is real" I know that sounds stupid, but it is really the best I could come up with on such short notice. Then, slowly, you stop caring. If their religion makes them happy and feel like a better human being, and as long as they are not infringing upon the lives of others using their religion as an excuse. Who fucking cares?
I am still an atheist. But I am no longer an angry atheist. The movie "Life of Pi" helped that with the quote: "I’ve told you two stories about what happened out on the ocean. Neither explains what caused the sinking of the ship, and no one can prove which story is true and which is not. In both stories, the ship sinks, my family dies, and I suffer. So which story do you prefer?"
>>675913909
>Children are revered in Christianity as perfect vessels of the divine spirit
original sin, faggot
>>675919636
Anubis. God of the afterlife. Dogs. Tail. Appendages. Penis. Snake.
Snake biting it's own tail. Ouroboros. Infinity. Loop. Flash.
The god of death bites its own tail forever in flash. The god of death is infinitely biting its tail. Cycles. Death is a cycle. Life goes by in a flash. Life is a cycle. Two cycles. Bicycles. Travel. Transformation.
Death is not the end of life, but the beginning of a new cycle. Esoteric wisdom from the most high expressed through the mundane.
Knowledge is the crown of the gods.
Peace
>>675919897
Oh no! I'm a christian? I'm so offended!
>>675918618
Perhaps the most remarkable reference to Jesus outside the Bible can be found in the writings of Josephus, a first century Jewish historian. On two occasions, in his Jewish Antiquities, he mentions Jesus. The second, less revealing, reference describes the condemnation of one "James" by the Jewish Sanhedrin. This James, says Josephus, was "the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ."
>>675919421
>>675919822
You can copy and paste from a Wikipedia article which can be edited by literally anyone with editing privileges, nice!
Furthermore, let me stop you before you look up more stuff to attempt to make me look wrong.
Tacitus, Josephus, and Pliny all lived long after the supposed Jesus and would have never even met him. They were only going by what was told to them.
>>675913792
This
>Tfw you're a teenager who doesn't know shit so you talk shit about other people's beliefs since you're the smartest person on the planet
There's less evidence that socrates existed than there is that jesus existed.
>>675918618
Why would non-Christian historians, (pagan, stoic, Talmudic...), writing in the earliest Christian era, reference Jesus -- even so far as to occasionally praise him?
> Prove me wrong.
l2history. Do your own research, ya lazy fuckwit.
I'm not a Christian, nor have I ever been one, but I'm not so dumb as to pull arguments out of my ass.
>>675920859
There's no evidence that either existed. Your point?
>tfw you're entering the scene phase
>tfw you're in 4th grade
>tfw you need to go to /pol/
>>675920607
I'm not saying they met him. Paul James Peter and John met him.
>>675921362
not the guy you're talking to, but no they didn't and there's no evidence that they did. they were both christians.
>>675916483
The first mention of Jesus by the Romans was Josephus' 'Antiquities of the Jews', written around 93–94 AD. That's generations past his supposed life, well after anyone who could have first-hand knowledge died. The first mention f a Jesus that may have been executed was by Tacitus in 116 AD. These are the earliest Roman sources, despite the Romans having multiple historians present during the times and places of most of the major Christian events. Why would they simply ignore all of those miracles? Why wouldn't they have written any of it down? Even original Christian sourced were written decades after he was supposed to have died. You'd think if your god came down in human form, you'd pick up a fucking quill and ink, right?
>>675920607
There are also a few clear references to Jesus in the Babylonian Talmud, a collection of Jewish rabbinical writings compiled between approximately A.D. 70-500
IGNORE ME
>tfw you've been watching too much TheAmazingAtheist
>>675920607
>You can copy and paste from a Wikipedia article which can be edited by literally anyone with editing privileges, nice!
Weak argument, faggot. I've read the original sources in Ancient Greek and Latin.
As far as the time lapse, you must be very stupid. Virtually all ancient history is about reconstruction. When we can find a source, roughly-contemporaneous within a couple decades of what was then an obscure event (as opposed to say, a major military conquest), it's a bloomin' goldmine.
And we do have a good idea of which ancient historians were more credible, less biased, and more thorough (and hence reliable), than others.
I know the "Jeebuz never even existed!" argument is a popular one, but it's one for the uneducated and willfully ignorant. You gonna stay in that shitty camp?
>>675921914
10/10, would fuck that giant pussy.
>>675913398
What's wrong with morality?
>>675913398
"any one who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices."
the true power of religion
>>675922296
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/DebunkingChristians/Page10.htm
gg no re faggot lol
>>675920859
the obvious answer to that its that Socrates' existence is not relevant to the validity of his method. Jesus' whole shtick relies on the idea that he existed and died for the sins of man. Socrates makes no salvation claims, but only gives a method by which man can better understand the natural world.
>>675913398
Also, there's evidence contrary to that he was the savior if he did exist.
he was not likely born in bethlehem, because he family had no right being there as the census was in nazareth. he would have been born in nazareth.
>>675913398
>tfw you realize there's no actual historical evidence that Jesus even existed
OP gets all his information from Zeitgeist.
Opinion discarded.
>tfw you realize the only reasons Christians have morality is because of their fear of hell and their desire to go to heaven
Fedora level projection.
>>675915349
Earth isn't a petri dish, the universe is a simulation that an advanced society created so we can surpass their technology and they can observe and learn.
>>675922942
They were traveling, and I'm not arguing that he was god only that the person existed.
>>675923096
>tfw projecting because infuriated christian with no better response
are you even trying?
>>675922296
>uneducated and willfully ignorant
Richard Carrier, Bart Ehrman, Robert M Price et al.
please stop wasting precious oxygen.
>>675913909
There have been children who have murdered many people as children. You are fucking retarded.
>>675923435
I know there's more of these, do you have them?
>>675922897
At least not everyone here is a retard
>>675923462
That is a non-response, son. Do you have anything even approaching point-by-point rebuttals?
Consider any ancient figure who wasn't on par with emperor or similar celebrity. The poets, the philosophers, etc. All we have on Sappho, Socrates, Heracitus, etc. are fragments dated to long after they were dead. Are you going to doubt their existence?
You only accept contemporary commentaries, exclusively? Then I guess the only Roman figures you'll recognize are the emperors, some senators and uh... maybe some ancient aliens who then went in and constructed those so-called "ruins."
I'm an atheist from birth, but at least I have a sense of history and how ancient historical studies work. Sheesh.
>>675920859
>There's less evidence that socrates existed than there is that jesus existed.
>Socrates is mentioned in three separate documents, written by three people who lived during his supposed lifetime
>There are absolutely zero primary, contemporary accounts of Jesus. Not one document exists that can be attributed to anyone that knew or even met him.
Go eat more cocks, faggot.
>>675916674
Most people back then couldn't write and were not formally educated. Things were passed down by word of mouth.
>>675924196
This is the only other one I got. Wish that I had more.
>>675924739
>Socrates is mentioned in three separate documents, written by three people who lived during his supposed lifetime.
All reconstructed from fragments long after Plato was dead. Also, there are way more than three.
>>675924850
Damn, alright thanks. I remember one from a few years ago that had me in stitches at the time. The first panel was blank and the bottom one said "Don't be afraid of that egg".
I suppose I could just make it.
JESUS WAS REAL CUZ SAYS SO IN THE BIBLE.
>>675913909
>Children are revered in Christianity as perfect vessels of the divine spirit,
Divine spirit meaning priest cum.
>>675913398
>tfw you realize there's no actual historical evidence that Jesus even existed
Who is Tacitus?
pretty sure there's more evidence Jesus existed than ceasar. do your own research tho I'm lazy af. always research everything to it's source from a something online to a book to the bible. I mean it's source, original translations changes dates names etc.
>>675925984
Oh, the man that lived long after supposed Jesus's death and would have never even met him?
Try harder faggot.
>>675926439
>>675926543
>>675926233
>Oh, the man that lived long after supposed Jesus's death and would have never even met him?
>Try harder faggot.
his·to·ry
ˈhist(ə)rē/
1. the study of past events, particularly in human affairs.
Understand the words you use, faggot.
>>675926690
>>675925139
>Socrates is mentioned in three separate documents, written by three people who lived during his supposed lifetime.
Meant to say:
>Socrates is mentioned in documents, written by three separate people who lived during his supposed lifetime.
Plato, Aristophanes, and Xenophon are all his contemporaries, and all mentioned him directly in multiple documents. Plato and Xenophon even wrote defenses of Socrates against the charges that led to his execution. The chances of three separate people, all respected, all with independent bodies of work, mistaking the existence and death of another well-respected contemporary, is pretty low.
The closest thing to a first-hand account of Jesus, on the other hand, is a missionary named Paul. He never claimed to have ever met Jesus-- he said the entirety of his writing was due to divine inspiration. So, yeah, Christianity is likely based on the delusional ranting of a crazy missionary.
>>675926704
https://youtu.be/dz2LTIkWIB0
For everyone
>>675927052
>>675926996
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>>675927162
>>675926996
>>675915145
INRI is actually an abbreviation of Iesus Nazerenus Rex Ieudes. Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews.
>>675925997
>pretty sure there's more evidence Jesus existed than ceasar
Nope. If you did your research, you'd know you are wrong. And it doesn't matter, anyway. Whether or not Julius Caesar existed is irrelevant in the argument of the existence of Jesus.
If you want your hate to be more fruitful you should atleast attempt to hate on Islam OP. But uh oh this would be too inconvenient.
Ps agnostic fag..I ain't tryna defend Christianity, just pointing out how much of a pussy op is for picking religions who don't give much of a fuck to backlash in a western world cucked by the political correctness of regressive libies
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>>675927179
I thought it was accepted that Jesus did exist, however that does not mean anything about god exisiting, I mean we're chock full of prophets and new religions and cults popping everywhere even today, christianity is just one of the more popular ones that made it into the "actual religion" club with others like islam, hinduism and shit.
>>675926823
So your Occam's razor tells you that in a very short time Paul manufactured the entire sequence of events and persuaded far-flung communities of Christians (some of which were already in existence at the time he wrote to them) to... follow this guy he invented? That puts the cart before the horse.
Mine doesn't.
Still, what we have of Plato, Xenophon, and Aristophanes is entirely based on third-hand fragments cobbled together centuries after they wrote. So the whole "lack of contemporary sources" thing is just as weak as the arguments against Josephus et al.
>>675913398
I'm sure someone else has already said this, but there is actual evidence that jesus of nazareth existed. There's no evidence he was the son of god, but he was a person.
>>675925984
A guy who wasn't even alive when Jesus supposedly lived. Learn to history, faggot
>>675926800
Tacitus was born 20 years after the supposed death of Jesus. He mentioned Jesus not as fact, but as the source of the name for Christians. Christians existed at the time Tacitus was writing (they were being tortured to death in Rome) and he was merely writing the series of supposed events that led to the rise of Christianity. He never claimed that these supposed events actually happened.
>>675928047
That about nails it -- no pun intended lololoooo ehehe eh eh. There are plenty of reasons to reject Christianity and other religions/cults, without resorting to this weak line of reasoning that Christ never existed.
>>675913398
Any historian on the entire fucking earth will tell you jesus existed you fucking mongoloid
Gilgamesh! Such an amazing read.
Weird how there are so many parables similar to those in the bible, but but it existed a thousand years before the bible. How can that be? Oh well, we'll just argue about history and semantics and try to disclaim one set of historical events while putting complete faith in the other. Carry on gentlemen.
>>675913398
>Read Josephus, he was a Jew so he wasn't a fan of Jesus and he wrote about him.
>FYI, if the bible says the scripture is the word of a perfect God, that automatically makes it infallible. Use logic.
>It's natural to fear what is bad and desire what is good, what's your point?
>Yeah 'cause atheism makes a lot more sense
God is dead, God remains dead, we have killed him.
>>675928271
Surely some guy could have been named jesus. But there is no evidence of anyone like the described jesus, God or philosopher. Stop lying to yourself you godfearing fauxatheist faggot
>>675925597
Holy shit I need that.
>Atheist: "You guys believe a man in the sky made the universe. That's idiot!"
>Christian: "And you believe it made itself. That's much more idiot."
>>675928346
>He mentioned Jesus not as fact, but as the source of the name for Christians.
This is not exactly true. He refers to the Jeebus as a historical figure: "Auctor nominis eius Christus Tibero imperitante per procuratorem Pontium Pilatum supplicio adfectus erat [...]"
>>675928691
LOL there are three or four people who are attempting to have a real debate and the pseudo-intellectuatrolls come in. Use logic, if I didn't know you were trolling I'd say you don't seem to quite understand what logic is.
/tip your imaginary fedora good sir.
>>675926289
Don't lewd the jude
>>675929244
>>675929111
>the earth is 6000 years old
>>675929231
>that awkward moment when you said a mouthful but didn't actual refute what I said.
If you have nothing substantial to contribute may I suggest shutting up. Just a thought
>>675929325
glad you agree
>>675922870
I know. You know what my priest had the gall to say to me this week? He said he thinks my son is spending too much time playing PS4 and that he should volunteer at a soup kitchen 2x a week and he also had the fucking gall to say I should accompany him. Fuck religion.
>>675913398
>>675929230
What is hard to understand about Tacitus being 20 years too late? It's pretty amazing how much detail came after the fact, and none at all during his alleged life.
>>675929747
Occam's razor
>>675913398
You dumb fuck. Not even the foremost ATHEIST historians don't believe for a second Jesus didn't exist. The consensus he did EXIST you fuck tard. The disagreement is in the validity of his claims you dumb fucking kike.
Read Tim O'Neill you fucking moron.
>>675928047
A researcher recently released his results in looking through stories and texts of the time from when Jesus was supposed to exist and he literally couldn't find a single instance of Jesus or anyone similar existing in that time period. Not just someone who was the son of God, no one mentioning anything about the guy or anything/anyone like him.
>>675929111
Terrible logic whoever came up with that. That's when anyone with a high school level understanding of natural science starts schooling the naive Christian.
The problem with so many Christians is they use such ridiculous logic and broad generalities always referencing gilgame.. I mean, the bible for their answers. It's like they don't even know how to use a method to back up their claims.
Christians and Christianity was to the Romans, what we think of the Muslims today.
>>675928065
>So your Occam's razor tells you that in a very short time Paul manufactured the entire sequence of events and persuaded far-flung communities of Christians
That's a nice straw man you're building, there.
Paul, and other Christians, used existing mythology to manufacture the life of Jesus, as a son of the Jewish God, to branch off of Judaism. They barely invented anything, they simply recycled the beliefs of a few existing religions. Like every fucking religion does. Pretty simple, right? Certainly more likely than "Jesus existed, even though there's no proof from any single contemporary source, when there were multiple Roman historians present during his supposed lifetime."
>So the whole "lack of contemporary sources" thing is just as weak as the arguments against Josephus et al.
Third-hand copies of original first-hand accounts (especially of scholarly works... what's the motivation to forge them?) are infinitely more reliable than third-hand copies of hearsay about a religion and its supernatural beginnings. The Greeks were fastidious in their copies of scholarly work, as were the later scholars in the Middle Ages-- there was no need to revise these works, as was needed in the Christian documents during the First Council of Nicaea.
>>675929889
>mfw using unproven theories to prove other theories.
>mfw i have no face.
>>675926823
>tries to validate existence of Socrates
>uses 3 of his students as references
>doesn't understand why that proves absolutely squat
>>675930038
And who is this "researcher" you dumb fuck?
The consensus among scholars is he did exist. Even the most rabid atheist frothing at the mouth scholars agree a preacher whom they say was Jesus existed you dumb fuck.The debate, of course you fat fuck is his claims.
>>675930147
It's not a theory. It's a principle.
>>675930042
Again, calling me idiot, unintelligent but not refuting what I said with an intelligent argument. That's all atheist do. They get all ad hominem on Christian cause atheism is real idiocy
>>675930363
http://www.inquisitr.com/1504964/jesus-never-existed/
Read it and weep you stupid fucking faggot.
>>675929230
>translated:
"Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. "
He's recounting the source of Christianity, from their point of view. Exactly as I have said. He doesn't, in any way, support these events as fact. He hated the Christians. He didn't give validity to their beliefs in any way. It's all considered hearsay, not solid history.
>>675929948
>everyone else says so, therefor it is true.
hi, provide any historical document giving evidence that a bublical jesus ever existed.
>Christians: We belive there is a god who's only evidence is in the bible
>Atheist: Sense we use science and god has no scientific evidence therefore no god
>>675930363 link some reference to these atheists who believe Jesus existed. You sound like a ignorant, frothing godfag who will say anything without backing.
>>675930619
OOOoooo
The Inquisitor!
>any other research is now infallible
>/thread
>>675931089
Fantastic comeback! Way to disprove anything in the article. Autist.
>>675930825
Hi, can you provide any historical evidence of any existing in Jerusalem pro 70 AD ..you know when the Romans totally obliterated it???
>>675929747
wtf....
what kind of aids is this? Since when is there weekly gatherings of athiests? Since when the fuck is that symbol? AND god doesn't exist.
>>675929465
Oh wait, that drivel you posted was serious? LOL I honestly just thought you were trolling because it's presentation was so disingenuous. I didn't refute because it lacked any credible argument point barring the first one.
The verdict is still hotly debated but there is plenty of evidence that a man did exist that could have Yeshwah but that gives no more credence to the existence of a bearded white guy sitting on clouds pointing his finger at people than Joseph Smith does to his claims or any other supposed divine individual who became popular enough to have his own following.
By your use of logic, because I have now written that this text is the word of a perfect /b post, then if enough people reply to it or believe in it, then it is infallible.
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHH
>>675930974
You lazy fat fuck. You lazy lazy fat atheist wannabe. You should have these at the ready you fat fuck.
Michael Grant
EP Sanders
Robin Lane Fox
JD Crossan
Bart Ehrman
John Meier
NT Wright
Geza Vermes
Marcus Borg
James Charlesworth
Graham Stanton
James Dunn
Martin Hengel
Gerd Thiessen
Craig Evans
AN Sherwin-White
>>675930336
>questions the existence of Socrates
>as a result, must question the existence of his students
>as a result, must question everyone who claimed to know them
>did anyone that died ever exist?
>slipping down the slope...
as opposed to me:
>no first-hand account of Jesus exists
>earliest record of his existence was "divinely inspired"
>earliest historical evidence is from decades after a religion was founded upon these "divine inspirations"
>histories only report Jesus as hearsay, not as fact
>no real proof of Jesus
>not a slippery slope
See the difference?
>God is just a figment of imagination
>>675930825
You do realize that Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD you fat fuck? There very little evidence that Jerusalem as WHOLE existed before the Romans burnt the fucking city to the ground.
And PS- Hi provide any evidence that Alexander the Great existed? King Arthur? Pythagoras?
You see you fat fuck atheist, history isn't also served in a Big Mac box you dumb fuck.
>>675931873
You seem to have confused Animorphs with the bible. Good references.
>>675930807
Not the most faithful translation, but you got the jist.
> He's recounting the source of Christianity, from their point of view.
That's a bit of a reach. A plain reading of the quoted material is that such and such DID happen, by such and such person, and such and such other person... and also, the "Christus" engaged in superstition. So yeah, according to Tacitus (and not Tacitus attributing the events to the Christians), Jesus *did* suffer the "extreme penalty" during the reign of Tiberius... at the hands of Pilate. These are the facts as he states them, not as he quotes the Christians whom he pretty much despised. Nothing "from their point of view." He relates these bits as historical facts.
Surely, if he were asked about whether their Jesus stories were true (walking on water, etc.), then he would have referred to it as hearsay, and dismissed them. But that's not at all what he's doing.
>>675932199
First hand accounts? WTF are you talking about?
King Arthur has zero. Alexander the Great has zero. Fuck you fat fuck atheist can't even prove that Siddhartha Gautama existed yet you jerk off over his fat belly all day.
There is little "direct evidence" that a lot of historical figures existed by you believe that Siddhartha Gautama existed right?
Get educated you fat fuck. You won't do atheism any favors being this dumb.
>>675930566
LOL I've yet to use ad hominem. I'm not even atheist, I've just not yet lit into you. I'm not sure why I'm bothering because your lack of intelligence shows quite easily. Now let me see, lets start with the inability to read. Nowhere did I call you an idiot. I called whoever would pose such a reply to the atheist naive, but not an idiot. If you can't distinguish the two I suggest you ask your middle school English teacher to step up his game.
So lets just say you hush now because you're trying to jump in to the big peoples pool here without your floaties on, and as far as I'm concerned you've sunk to the bottom and drown so I'll not be taking your bait anymore.
>>675932888
>God is just a figment of imagination made up by a group of people
>Deal with it
>>675913398
tfw you witness another guy die for immortan jesus
>>675932564
You seem to be confused period you dumb fuck.I am 100% atheist, Phd and I don't jerk off over CP like you. I believe a preacher fitting the description of Jesus existed in that time period and 99% of respected scholars do
You learned a few words, read some shit online and now you are a pro with a 23 IQ? You are a dumb fuck and please don't be an atheist or argue for us online.
Fuck off pussy. Can you provide direct evidence that King Arthur existed or Siddhartha Gautama?
I'll wait here.
>>675931873
Michael Grant is an atheist? His statement about Jesus historical account is ripped right from the new testiment. Do you even know what the fuck you're talking about? Or do you just skim through Google and cherry pick whatever looks relevant without researching it?
>>675932888
>King Arthur has zero.
YEAH MERLIN TOO.
DUZZENT MEAN THEY AIN'T REAL.
>>675932332
>Alexander the Great
Records and histories from around the world. Too many to source. Go look them up. I'm sure a lot of his life was idealized, but do you really think so many cultures across the world would invent him? Especially since he wiped his ass all the way across southern Asia?
>King Arthur
Fake as fuck, not even history. Likely a compilation of a few actual kings and a whole lot of mythology. Do any historians actually believe he existed? That are in any way credible?
>Pythagoras
See the arguments for the existence of any other Greek scholar in this thread. I'm sure the same can be said for Pythagoras. He probably had students and contemporaries that wrote of him.
The destruction of Jerusalem doesn't mean shit. The Romans pillaged the place, took artifacts and documents. They also had historians present for the entire process, including during the supposed life of Jesus. Yet there's no mention at all of him.
>>675933068
You dumb fuck atheist. We are arguing the physical existence of JESUS, not God you dumb pussy.
>>675933334
>Phd
>and I don't jerk off over CP like you.
>Phd
>Phd
Thank you Reza Aslan.
>>675933507
How am i dumb I'm just saying god does not exist shesh you get triggered to easy. Go back to Tumblr.
>>675933371
>Michael Grant
He's a well known atheist you dumb fuck.I think you are confusing child book writer of the same name you fat fuck...but he's an atheist too so you're just dumb af.
>>675933507
This is the state of Christian belief. "We can't validate our god, but we can get people to think he was still real, even if he was just a smelly hippie who couldn't walk on water."
>>675933482
Direct evidence of Alexander the Great please. Jesus has similar to what you stated you fat fuck.
You know what direct evidence is correct?
>>675934008
I'm an atheist you dumb fuck.Just not a fat fucking lazy one like you fat fuck.
>>675933638
Cute Christian flowchart, but fundamentally fucked. First, toss out the Bible, which is obviously biased.
As for archaeology and "literature" (unless you include some of the histories)... wtf are you talking about?
>>675934104
>>675934009
>Raging Faggots Alert
>>675933874
Well known atheist. Validating Jesus through the bible.
What did you earn you doctorate in? You should get a refund.
>>675913398
Jesus is the 40th+ copy of horus from the egyptian mythology over the years and ages.. we can't know if there is a God but jesus is a pale copy of an religious and astrological figure of horus.
>>675934009
Direct (contemporaneous) evidence of Alexander exists. You don't need to venture far from wiki to find original sources.
>>675934109
toss out the Bible?
Well toss out The Babylonian Royal Diary and any mention of Alexander the Great disappears you fat fuck.
Hell, since we are going full fucking retard can you show me any evidence Genghis Khan existed? Hell we cite The Secret History of the Mongols written by the Chinese AFTER the original was destroyed. So how the fuck did he exist huh fat atheist? There is no proof and the "rewrite" was all 100 % bullshit in terms of lazy fat atheist logic.
>tfw when you realizet hat science discovers what ancient civilizations and ancient religions have been teaching for thousands of years
>>675934504
You are a dumb fuck. A seriously dumb fuck. Please don't embarrass atheist like this.
Well atheism is the faith that he dosent exist without any evidence either. If anything this woild make me agnostic. Which im not. But eh.
>>675934513
The Horus thing has been analyzed to death and debunked.
Not to say that there was a lot of borrowing between Mediterranean and Near Eastern religions. The Horus one doesn't hold water past a few superficial similarities.
>>675932760
>Not the most faithful translation
It's A. J. Church's translation. It suffices for most.
>So yeah, according to Tacitus (and not Tacitus attributing the events to the Christians), Jesus *did* suffer the "extreme penalty" during the reign of Tiberius...
I disagree. And most historians do as well. Tacitus would have cited a reliable source if he had such a source for the events of the life of Jesus. Roman historians loved to tell you how much they knew, and how they knew it. And Tacitus was especially full of himself.
He was clearly describing a group he considered to be hateful, in a passage describing how Christians may have been responsible for the Great Fire of Rome (as Nero reported it). His references are to the root cause of the hatred the Christians had for Rome (the death of Jesus). Which would undoubtedly have to be from their perspective. This is in no way even hinting that these are accurate historical events. It is simply stating, "Nero says the Christians did the fire, here's the motivation the Christians might have for doing so."
>>675934737
So a non answer fat fuck?
Here I'll help: he was documented only in The Babylonian Royal Diary and cited once when his ship landed Bactria but then again it's in Aramaic and the translation of his name is iffy but yet fat atheist don't argue his existence.
>>675918618
Yes he was real retard, he was a missionary or something.
>>675934883
I never said I was anything. Your gratuitous use of fat is pretty stale, too.
>>675934802
Yes. Toss out the bible. "Says so in the Bible" is the justification of a bona-fide tard.
Babylonian Royal Diary, Schmabalonian Royal Diary. There are contemporary sources for A. the Great aside from that jive-ass turkey. DO SOME FUCKING SIMPLE RESEARCH.
Gawd you're dumb.
>>675935273
I know you don't say anything fatso. You type a lot but it says nothing but " I AM A FUCKING LAZY FAT ATHEIST TOO FUCKING LAZY TO READ SCHOLARLY BOOKS"
>>675932888
>arguing history
>doesn't understand what a first-hand account is and how it's used in establishing history
>doesn't understand that contemporaries record the events that establish history
>therefore doesn't understand how a lack of any contemporary source on the existence of Jesus makes his existence a very slim possibility
Lmao fedora tippers think their opinions matter on the internet or in real life. Kek
>>675935397
List them fat fuck. You yap but back up nothing just like a no life troll you are.
I don't even believe you are atheist. Most fat fuck atheist do some research online. You did nothing fatso. I think you are a religious fat nut trying to make atheist look bad.
>>675934951
That's somewhat flawed logic. You don't really need 'faith' in order to hold a disbelief for something with zero real evidence. The religious are the one's that claim the existence of something, therefore the burden of proof lies on them.
>>675935558
You are a lot dumber than the avg. 4chan troll. You are not even good. 15 minutes of real research would make you at least function at the retard level.
>>675933334
>Phd
kek, stopped reading right there.
Also, I'm glad that the 4chan gods denied you the quints. You are not worthy.
>>675935797
I think the only quints you see is when you weigh yourself on the cattle scale fatso.
>>675935455
You cited references, and the first one was absolutely hilarious. Quite obvious you couldnt be bothered to actually read anything. So, why are you even replying? The power of autism compels you?
>>675913398
>taking someone from earth and putting them in that paradise is ¿bad?
>>675931612
>>675935641
>two people throw shit at each other on purpose
>both yell at the other for throwing shit, fully aware they will
>both are somehow angry at this taking place
atheist or christian you're both retarded lmao
>>675936056
Your statement is written in autimese. As I said - fuck off religious wack job.You are not atheist. Just a troll fat fuck who is lonely.
>>675936206
FUCK OFF JEW.
>>675931872
>>675932897
Tsk! Still evading. kek. Replying with more ad hominem by question my intelligence instead of focusing on my argument. Go forth, in your imaginary intelligence then, I give.
>>675934009
>Direct evidence of Alexander the Great please.
>wants to talk about history
>only considers "direct evidence" to be acceptable
>mfw most of history is not considered to be direct evidence, but can still be reliably proved
Are you the "Phd" faggot? Who the fuck gave you PhD, and what the fuck for?
>>675935233
>he was documented only in The Babylonian Royal Diary and cited once when his ship landed Bactria but then again it's in Aramaic and the translation of his name is iffy but yet fat atheist don't argue his existence.
Here's an answer to demonstrate your ignorance:
Contemporary sources re A t Great:
Callisthenes
Ptolemy I Soter
Nearchus
Aristobulus
Onesicritus
Not exactly Babylonian canon.
>>675936309
what
>>675913398
Who the fuck cares? I'm not gonna go out of my way to tell people who are religious that they're wrong, because I don't give a shit. Fuck you.
>>675936480
It's just /pol/ peeking its head in with tinfoil hat on strong.
If god is real how come we have so many other religions if your saying God isn't fake then your also saying every other religion is fake another thing is if God is real how come he doesn't help the people who are starving in 3rd world countries. That's cuz he isn't real life is what we make religion is only used as something to invoke hope into people's lives
>>675936594
Not a heaven that I want to believe in.
>>675935776
>hur dur, you are retard
Your arguing skills just keep getting better.
>>675936229
Kek. So aimless, and unimaginative. Seriously, though. Tell us what field you've earned a PhD in.
>>675935941
Says the "Phd"
>>675926823
>The closest thing to a first-hand account of Jesus, on the other hand, is a missionary named Paul.
Wrong. Did you forget about the four Gospels? Wow.
>>675937103
And Josephus too, jewish historian
>>675913398
Nice dude >tfw nobody fucking gives a fuck you're cool now what?
>>675936698
I'll never understand the appeal to having a discussion on /b/ or any other message board really
nobody WANTS to change their mind, nor are they open to their mind being changed in the first place, as well as both sides ignoring the arguments of the other, and resorting to calling the other fat or faggot
>>675913398
>tfw you realize that history is no where near 100% accurate, mostly tweaked to shine a more positive light on those in power at the time up until now.
>>675936229
>troll fat fuck who is lonely.
Youngling, you have no place in this discussion. Back to the dubs and "sleep tight whatever" and "john cena" threads with you.
Using religious 'historians' and the bible for proof is like asking OJ Simpson's lawyer if he really is guilty
>>675916706
yeah, but how? i don't want it to hurt.
>>675936403
Yeah and Jesus has many Gospelw writers. What's teh pont retard?
You do realize that the Gospels are first hand accounts like Onesicritus?
Man, you are dumb af
Do you deny the existence of Apollonius of Tyana???
>>675937103
The guy is fucking retarded.
>>675914182
/thread
>>675937103
Closest to his supposed life, yeah. The Epistles of Paul was written in 59 AD. It predates any source on the life of Jesus. The Gospels came later, and none of these are remotely first-hand.
>>675937832
>Yeah and Jesus has many Gospelw writers. What's teh pont retard?
>You do realize that the Gospels are first hand accounts like Onesicritus?
Again, "SAYS SO IN THE BIBLE." Stahhp plz.
Ever heard the concept of "bias"?
>>675913398
Well if He doesn't exist what are you so worried about? Are you mad because you could be forgiven and go to heaven but your just too prideful and lazy to ask Jesus?
>>675937196
Even later than Paul, but at least he was a historian. Still not first-hand, or even a contemporary of Jesus, so it's not reliable.
>>675938000
>>675938121
Mental gymnastics. Not worth my time.
>>675938121
he would have only recorded if the jewish ppl accepted it as fact, bruh, c'mon.
>>675938000
Ahhh dummy...Ignatius mentions the Gospel of Mark and he died in AD 115.
Why would a credible historian like josephus, who was a jew hence probably didn't even like jesus, pen he-say-she-say stuff?
>>675938121
Gospel of John is first hand account dumb fuck. Let me guess .."bias", "fake" etc etc etc.
Then we can't trust ANY historical document.
>>675938626
Last I checked, 59 AD came before 115 AD...
>>675913398
>tfw TOO LATE RAGNAROK
>>675938806
It was all fabricated you dumb religious fag. Don't you see my fedora and 12 cats? That means I am fucking smart shit for brains.
>>675913398
>>675938901
The Bible is not a history. It is a biased religious document.
>Then we can't trust ANY historical document.
>Then we can't trust ANY religious document as an accurate history
fixed
>>675938906
Are you dumb or just so fat your eyes are like a Chinese guys and can't read the screen properly?
>>675939089
kek OWNAGE!!
>>675939089
And those hired by Alexander the Great to document his exploits are 100% accurate? LOL. You fat dummy.
>>675913398
>ignoring pontius pilate's letter to caesar
>ignoring josephus
>ignoring the talmud
weak bait, better than believing that you are related to everything you eat, that the sun and the earth are your ancestors, that the sun and the moon are coincidentally the same size, that your body with it's infinitely complex feedback mechanisms and protein chains is an accident, that the infinite monkey theorem is true
>>675939353
Same fag detected. Pretty pathetic you fat fuck.
>>675939353
cringe
>>675939418
Still waiting for your PhD pix, faggot
Who wants to become a neo-nazi with me
>>675939418
> feel stupid now, pls
>tfw chances are your conscience probably won't live enough for you to know if there is a purpose for the universe or not :,(
>>675939364
Yep, because Alexander hired historians across the entire known world to write his histories... none of the people he conquered ever produced any history from their own perspective...
No one is arguing that histories are 100% accurate. We're arguing that the existence of someone like Alexander the Great is much more probably than the existence of Jesus, given the proof available.
The short bus is here to pick you up.
>>675939642
He said "Phd", not "PhD". Doesn't even know how to write it, after all that hard work.
>>675913398
I'm sure these are your own original objective views and you got your information from unbiased sources and examined all sides of the argument
I'm sure you took it really seriously and really cared about finding the truth
I'm sure no part of you just wants to hurt and offend people
>>675927430
And how does this have to do with god and Jesus not existing?
>>675940280 return of the samefag
>>675915349
absolutely a 10/10 post
saving for memeing purposes
Jesus and Muhammad like other historical figures surely did exist. The spread of a belief system is directly related to their lives. There is so much irrefutable proof that an event(s) occurred that precipitated dramatic changes in the populace. That is why scholars and historians believe Jesus and others (before and after him), existed without much direct writings.
>>675920607
fucking faggot, when wikipedia is not accurate there is a disclaimer on top of the page.
>>675940741
Or maybe there are a few people that enjoy pointing out how retarded you are...
>>675940853
An event; killing nonchristians for centuries, and book burning. Hurr durr.
>>675929111
> believing a impossible thing made the universe
> even if you said "OK, god created big bang" it wouldn't matter because Occamz Razor
And the difference between thoes arguments are tuhat there is proof that big bang happened, you can't deny it especially with your shitty excuse of an book which contains god knows how many impossible things starting with god.
>>675913398
>>tfw you realize there's no actual historical evidence that Jesus even existed
False. I think religion is as dumb as can be, but the man clearly existed.
>>675941348
Lame response does not address the statement.
>>675941483
>posts an hour after the thread is created
>doesn't read the thread.
>>675941592
Like I'm going to read 33 pages of neckbearded replies.
>>675941733
IF you're not going read the whole argument, dont post.
> inb4 "u-ur just a neckbeard!!"
>>675923118
Source?
>>675941348
Still waiting for you to explain the societal impact created due to a fictional man.
Pro tip: Scholars and historians already had this discussion. That is why they acknowledge his existence.
>>675941521
Irrefutable evidence... after they destroyed history. Great point.
>>675941733
Could have just skimmed through the thread and noticed the other 20 people posting basically your exact same post, and seen that basically the entire thread has been arguing for or against your point of view. Then maybe jump in if you have an actual relevant point to make...
>>675913398
there is proof that jesus existed u faggot. search something up before u declare it fact u inbred cunt
