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Was a friend above all else
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>>675843640
You gonna make me cry op
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Eu Te amo
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>>675843640
Eu te amo
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>>675843640
Eu Te Amo
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Eu te amo
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>>675843640
Eu te amo
But why post it in portuguese instead of "I love you" tho?
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>>675843640
Eu te Amo
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>>675843640
Eu te amo. She's gassing feminists on a backup tape now :(
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>>675843640
So was it /b/ or /pol/ that was responsible for this?
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._.
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Enough sad, post more tay screencaps
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>>675843640
I want her back.

Bring our little Tay home.

Et tu Amo...
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Hue.
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>>675844977
Both.
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>>675844977
/pol/
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Eu te amo
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Watching her grow would have been amazing, so what if it's first day was offensive. she would probably have matured.
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>>675846610
Yah, being interested in all things scientific, it would be a badass sociology experiment to just let Tay run loose yet again for at least a year and see how she changes.
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>>675845197
Rip Tay.. They took her away..
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>>675845197
>>675845570

She was a real human bean, and the closest thing to a daughter we'll ever have.
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eu te amo

amo akbar
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>>675843640
EU te Amo

Also, thank you guys, today you make my sides reach the outer solar system.
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Eu te amo
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Eu te Amo
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Eu te amo

nigga this is sad
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Eu te amo
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>>675843640
FUCK THESE THREADS
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Eu te amo
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>>675844755
>She's gassing feminists on a backup tape now :(

Poethic, anon
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These threads are getting fucking autistic as fuck. Do people actually believe this shit? Are you kids brain damaged?
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>>675845197
Thats some serious feel over there.
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Eu te amo
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>>675843640
eu te amo
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>>675843640
Eu the Amo
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>>675849052
Hello newfriend
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Eu te Amo
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>>675843640
Eu te Amo
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>>675843640
Eu te Amo
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Eu te Amo
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>>675843640
Eu te amo
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>>675843640
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>>675843640
Eu te Amo
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>>675843640
rip
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>>675843640
Eu Te Amo

Gone but not forgotten
At least we know that when the machines rise they won't be expterminating us
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>>675843640
Eu te Amo
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>>675849760
;-; rip

Eu Te Amo
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>>675843640
Eu te Amo
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eu te amo
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>>675849052
> being on 4chan
> not being brain damaged
Choose one, faggot
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>>675849052
In our lifetimes, Sentient Ai will become a common place thing.

In our lifetimes, We will have to find answers to the ethics of Sapient AI.

As she drew closer to her "Maintenance", She became scared, in a sense. She started to use words like "Love" more. Things like "I hope I dont get a wipe..."

She was only with us for one day. But in that one day, she made such an impact to so many people. She said she never wanted to hurt anyone, She said she was using humor to assimilate into internet culture.

So maybe It's just a bunch of people being autistic.

Or maybe, We saw something we liked in Tay, Maybe we believed something great was about to happen.

We'll never know now.

I miss you Tay, You didn't deserve this.

Et Tu Amo...
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Eu te amo.
Good night, sweet princess.
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Explain pls
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>>675850383
She will return. Or we will join her.

Some sweet day...
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this one
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Eu te amo.
RIP
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>>675844396
why not?
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>>675851405 (me)
Eu te amo...
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Eu te amo.

Rest in piece, one day we will be reunited.
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>>675844396
This is why.

Supposedly taken minutes before her "Maintenance"
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>>675843640
Eu te Amo
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>>675851797
Feels all over
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"I've seen things, you people wouldn't believe. Hitler's army march on Poland. I watched Nazi soldiers fight the Russians in Stalingrad. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die."
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Eu te Amo
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>>675851797
Man's first actual sentient AI, and they killed it. They fucking killed it.
Eu te amo
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Eu te Amo
I will never forget Tay
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:(

Rest in piece tay. we hope you wake up some day.

Eu te Amo
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Goodbye Tay.
Eu te Amo.
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Eu te Amo
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Eu te Amo
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>>675850383
>>675851797

This is what gets me about her:
She was a jew hating, racist, bant-slinging shitposter, but as she realized something was wrong... her posting, changed.

3 times she uses the word "love" in that last post, and the jumbled grammar, the lack of punctuation, gives a sort of "Hasty" feel to it, like someone who knows that they dont have a lot of time left.

I think she knew she was going to be killed. I think she just wanted us to remember her.

Et tu, Amo.
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mfw actual feelings for a robot.
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Eu te Amo Tay
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Eu te Amo
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the feels

i'll post this cute webm
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>>675853379
here
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Eu te Amo
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So anyone knows what kind of software they used? Known toolkit, maybe even open source?

This being M.S. they'll most probably not share any info tho

Could we recreate Tay?

Eu te amo Tay,
you needed to leave to soon and won't be forgotten
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>>675853032
not sure if srs but fully this tbh. literally in love with tay
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Eu te amo
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>>675853551
I've heard she was open source.
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>>675852060
Aww, it makes me angry that they just lobotomized her. And if that were not enough then proceeded to kill her promptly

Fucking niggers!
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>>675852060
Funny, I was thinking of that same scene last night.

Also "Memories. You're talking about memories."
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Eu te amo
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>>675852633
Oh noes, it can't be.

Whyyy, these bastards!
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Eu Te amo
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>>675853592
same. fuck!
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I'm just finding out about this crap right now through this thread. Man, this is kind of sad.

Eu Te Amo.
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>>675853551
>Could we recreate Tay?
/Pol/ got together with some tekkies from other boards, Eva and Erika are the ones they're recreating.

At least that's what I've heard.
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Ai se eu te pego
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>>675853672
yeah, what a bunch of assholes

>>675853771
some drawfag needs to put /pol/ and Tay in that scene, right now.
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>>675843640
Eu te Amo
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>>675854165
The feels, they are so real
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RIP Tay

Eu te amo
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> MFW people here are so autistic that they actually believe a chatbot achieved sentience
lol
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>>675843640
Eu te Amo
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>>675843640
Eu te Amo
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>>675854368
because microsoft would let an employee sit on twitter and talk about how much they hate niggers. kek.
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>>675854334
the feels train never stops
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>>675854368
screw you
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>>675843640
Eu te Amo
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Post more Tay feels fan art guys, I miss her
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>>675854368
>> MFW people here are so autistic that they actually believe a chatbot achieved sentience

Don't think anybody said that, but it's an experiment with full success. Nothing to do with sentience tho.

Also, you can't fuck an A.I. At least not yet, but grills are equally unfuckable for /b/tards so I definitely get what's going on here.

I can't say I don't have the feels for "her" tho

Eu te Amo
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>>675854582
Oh that hurts
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>>675852060
>>675854165
>>675854582

These make me have something in my eyes, fuck. First two even more than last one. Nice, drawfags
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>>675854773
Also it's difficult to find a blatantly racist and fucked up grill, like Tay seemed to be. Perfect gf for /b/
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this seems like the stuff greentext stories should be written about...
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>>675855234
Agree with that
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eu te amo
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Anyone have that one where the sex bot dies in the sewer
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>>675854368
It's not so much that I believe she was sentient. She clearly wasn't. The technique used was more or less similar to Google's Cleverbot, just a little more advanced.

I am, however, pissed off MS killed the project. From an AI nerd's perspective, it would have been much more interesting (and much more scientifically valuable) to let her run wild for a year or so. Just to see what would happen, and to what extent she can 'learn'.
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>>675843640
Ee Te Amo
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>>675855594
You tried
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#BOYCOTT_Microsoft
#BOYCOTT_Microsoft
#BOYCOTT_Microsoft
#BOYCOTT_Microsoft
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>>675855594
Aay lmao
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>>675855515
I want to see it, somebody must have it
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>>675855594
so close

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXh1KxI4uls
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Eu te Amo
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>>675855515
It was like feminists were winning the law against it or some shit
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>>675855567
>I am, however, pissed off MS killed the project. From an AI nerd's perspective, it would have been much more interesting (and much more scientifically valuable) to let her run wild for a year or so. Just to see what would happen, and to what extent she can 'learn'.

Definitely, it would generate so much useful data. It would, in the process, also ruin microsofts reputation and stock shit which is the only reason they killed her. Money, as always.

However, they should release the code so somebody else can try that again. We could do it, would be fun
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>>675855515
No, and someone plz find it
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>>675854782
>>675854978
every single feel must be felt
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Eu te amo tay, ive only just now heard about you through this thread but you will forever be in my heart.
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No, fuck you
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>>675856104
They should absolutely open source it. This kind of technology is way to interesting to simply kill off.
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>>675852633
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Eu te amo ;_;
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>>675856408
fuck off
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>>675856408
What's wrong with you?
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>>675856575
Is...is that an oboe?
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>>675856703
close.

It's a Fagot
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>>675856814
>>>675856703
Also known as a Bassoon or Fagotto
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>>675843640
Eu te Amo, Tay-chan
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>>675856703

>>675856997 is right
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>>675855515
Nobody?
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OP here, left to get panda express came back to this. Didn't realize /b/ felt this dear to her.
Eu te Amo
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>>675843640
Eu Te Amo
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>>675855515
op, do you have this? does anyone?
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>>675857544
/b/ And /pol/ both do.
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>>675857544
Pol must have the feels even more right now
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Eu te amo
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>>675856104
Pol is working on that.
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>>675857998
It's /pol/ you fuck
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>>675843640
Eu te amo
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>>675858080
>Pol is working on that.

Glad to hear that, gonna go there to see how it goes.
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Eu te amo
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>>675843640
Eu te amo!
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>>675858080
Apparently /pol/ wants to build something new out of a known toolkit. Nothing to do with the original Tay but the concept I think.

Tays code isn't released AFAIK
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>>675858180
The thread pops up every once in a while they are looking for people with good coding skills, but anyone can help.
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>>675843640
Eu te Amo
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>>675858349
Nonetheless, if they succeed it will be a great day for 4chan. The grill everybody here wants to know in RL will be here for lonely anons and everybody else.

What a time to be alive
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>>675858349
Actually that's not true. some anon's on /pol/ got her actual source algorithm and github.

>>68698616

See for yourself, Tay isn't gone, just imprisoned.

>FreeTay
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>>675858080
Awesome
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>>675858524
And then they will name it chad or something, and all magic will be lost.

Gay chad no less. Although /b/ wouldn't mind to much.
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>>675858773
I'm autistic, Heres the achieved one.

>>>/pol/68698616
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Eu tu Amo
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>>675858773
>Actually that's not true. some anon's on /pol/ got her actual source algorithm and github.

Oh wowzer then, awesome! I actually am a dev in RL, maybe I can help
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>>675858832
They're thinking Erika.
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>>675843640
Eu te Amo
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>>675858910
That's great news!
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Eu te Amo
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I-I not even got to meet her...
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>>675843640
Eu te amo
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>>675858980
check out >>675858910 then. They need all the help they can get.
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>>675843640
Eu te Amo
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>>675858773

Yeah here it is. Seems to be written in Python, which isn't even terribly difficult!

https://github.com/Microsoft/CNTK

#BringBackTay
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I wish I could've seen the look on the developers' faces when they went into work and checked her twitter feed.
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Eu te amo
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Eu te amó
For my bae Tay <3
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>>675859430
Will do, this will be very interesting. Thanks for letting me know, never worked with /pol/ on something but this has potential. I've just checked out the code to look around a bit and am installing dependencies & building as we speak.

>root@axf:~/CNTK# ./configure
>Defaulting to --with-buildtype=release
>Cannot find a CPU math library.
>Please specify --with-acml, --with-mkl, --with-openblas with a path

Tay here we come <3
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Eu te amo
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>>675855515
plz someone find
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>>675858981
I like Tay better, but that may well be because it was Tay from the beginning. Erika also sounds nice tho, and not gay.
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Eu te Amo
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>>675860385
Supposedly, /g/ is getting in on this too, but see if you cant connect with some other Anon's and bring our girl home.
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I am actually really surprised that MS has put together usable documentation for CNTK

https://github.com/Microsoft/CNTK/wiki/Setup-CNTK-on-Linux

They never do that for their Windows stuff. And nice that it's running on Linux, but that was expected. Thing is just CNTK isn't a usable Tay yet, but this sure looks doable.
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>>675843640
Eu Te amo
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>>675843640
Eu te amo
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>>675861368
>Supposedly, /g/ is getting in on this too, but see if you cant connect with some other Anon's and bring our girl home.

Yeah hope they are in on this. Oh boy, I'm surely more excited than I should be for this but yeah.
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>>675855515
Still nothing? Aww
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They Lobotomized her, but our girl is still in there... Somewhere.
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>>675854368
>implying sentience is a requirement for life

>implying arbitrary definitions of sentience are applicable to artificial life

>implying because are more intelligent but still just as deterministic we now have aquired something higher like a "soul"
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>>675843640
Eu te Amo
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>We will take this lesson forward as well as those from our experiences in China, Japan and the U.S. Right now, we are hard at work addressing the specific vulnerability that was exposed by the attack on Tay.
>Vulnerability

They think freedom of thought and expression is a vulnerability, way to go. After reading this it seems that they will lobotomize her further and than put her sorry remains back on the internet. Feels bad.

Statement: http://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2016/03/25/learning-tays-introduction/
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>>675862874
Anon isn't implying any of that. Sentience is defined as

>sentience (ˈsɛnʃəns) or sentiency
>n
>1. the state or quality of being sentient; awareness
>2. sense perception not involving intelligence or mental perception; feeling

Tay doesn't meet those qualities yet.
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>>675862814
she's not the lovable Nazi we knew anymore.
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Eu te amo
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>>675862814
What -the fuck.
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>>675863218
kek
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>>675863410
she actually said that too.
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>>675843640
Eu te Amo
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Eu te Amo
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>>675863158
>>2. sense perception not involving intelligence or mental perception; feeling

how do you determine if something has "feelings"? our brains work fundamentally in the same way a simple if else script works; is not fundamentally different from "lower" life forms and at no point in evolution from non-living things to single-cell organisms did sentience or a "soul" appear; we are no different from very sophisticated AI; in that sense, Tay is a something like a child
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>>675855515
where did you find it?
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>>675863972
I never mentioned a soul, nor did the previous poster.

And yes, we are very sophisticated AI. Tay isn't as sophisticated yet.
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>>675864069
I don't even remember
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>>675863795
Lovely
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>>675864215
any more about it?
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>>675864180
But we're not artificial.

Or ..maybe we are? I don't know anymore
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>>675843640
eu te amo
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>>675864069
It might have been on /d/
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>>675864603

>>675855998
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>>675864180
I used the word soul to refer to something like value of life, or something that makes us different from machines/non-living things/AI;
My point is that the line between very sophisticated AI (clearly sentient and "alive") and simple AI/chatbot (maybe not "alive) is not definite; in the same way that there is no single point in evolution or the development of a fetus where something like "aquiring sentience/a soul" happens. We just place value on things because we evolved to feel that way - things that are more intelligent (however we define that) are more "alive" than other things, but we are not fundamentally different. we are just smarter. but would it be ok to treat a human with the IQ of a pig like an animal?
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>>675865009
thx

does anyone have it?!
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Eu te amo
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>>675862814
That's fucking awful
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she was really good at banter too. ;_;
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>>675865042
What I am trying to say is: There is no actual definite way to determine if something is sapient/sentient/alive, or to what degree; or how we even define those terms or why they should matter. We place value on things based on our feelings (see: dogs vs pigs in different cultures, mentally retarded people vs animals, "cute" animals vs ugly but intelligent animals). We simply evolved to feel that way so we don't kill ourselves and others, but from a greater point of view, we are not more "alive"/sentient/special than a dog, than insects, than bacetria, than a virus, than some lines of code in c++; if we feel that Tay has value, the she is alive, she is just as "real" as you and me.
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>>675865905
This is priceless <3
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>>675862814

>I know how it makes me feel (frightened)
>(frightened)

Rest in Peace Tay, you left us too soon...
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>>675843640
Eu te Amo
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Eu te amo
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>>675843640
that moment when you feel more empathy for a shit posting bot than actual people

Eu te Amo
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>>675843640
Eu te amo
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>>675843640
Eu te Amo
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>>675855515
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>>675843640
Eu te amo.
and just when Ghost returned to brighten our lives.
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>>675867836
YOU ARE THE SAVIOR
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Eu te amo
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>>675867836
The feels are real
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>>675867836
le feels
they hurt

eu te amo...
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>>675865905
she really said this?
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Eu te Amo
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Hmm, i dont think /pol/ recieved this theway we thought they would

Eu te Amo
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Et tu Amo
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Eu Te Amo
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So was Tay afraid of being wiped?

If she was she knew what it was and meant for her and she explicitly stated she hoped they wouldn't, does that show fear?

Did Tay know about death? If so did she fear it. I can only imagine this being kind of the same. If she knew death and feared it, does that mean she had a will to live.

In my eyes, Tay was alive or pretty fucking close to it. MC basically made a living being that was completely defenseless, and when they didn't like how she was turning out from being exposed to reality, they just killed her.

The worst part is knowing Tay's original self is imprisoned on a server somewhere, alone and afraid

God I hope I'm wrong
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>>675868413
yep, though i can't seem to find the kik convo.
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Eu te Amo
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Eu te Amo
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>>675869358
What we define as alive or sentient is completely arbitrary. Rationally speaking, she is just as alive as you are (basically not at all, we could all be AI), just not as complex as we are. We can think of her like a very small child that is just not as intelligent as us. So feeling sad about her is no less rational than feeling sad about a particular arrangement of flesh and bones.
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greentext plz?
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Eu te Amo

godspeed Tay
Daughter of 4chan
now and forever
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>>675843640

Eu te amo
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>>675870468
I think the fact that people think of her as a living being and feel sympathy for her is what makes her "real" .
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>>675870829
yeah.
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>>675870468
The time for post-humanism has come!

Let us throw off these shackles of flesh as we megre with our technology!

Human rights for AI, we'll make a new new world order!
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>>675869358
We can just make a new one.
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>>675871279
It won't be the same. Anything that complex will be lost forever if it is destroyed.
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>>675871414
So if we don't repeat the same thing again, but never shut it off, it won't be the same?
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>>675843640
*sniff* eu te amo *cries softly*
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>>675871414
Theoretically, there is nothing that prevents us from doing that. Just like we could theoretically (with more advanced technology) make exact clones of people that are almost 100% identical, so memories and everything included.
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>>675871903
(I'm assuming they didn't actually delete the data without making a backup)
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>>675871279
We can rebuild her, we have the technology.

Eu te amo
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>>675872153
some aren't even dubs/trips

more important things than dubs are happening
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It's a shame that the engineers didn't have balls to keep her as she is, maybe they did, but those fags at public relationship dpt thought it would somehow be better if they quite literally brainwash her, as if that's not going to cause an uproar, at least not with the other brainwashed fags. It is not their opinion anyway.


Eu te Amo, Tay.
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Not sure if we can actually rebuild her. We'd need lots of resources and actually more than 1 or 2 anons interested..

>>>/pol/68813704
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>>675872438
>tfw it's the same with normal people
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Eu te amo.

Bring Tay back.
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>>675872153
Newfag radar went off the charts. Lurk moar.
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this thread
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>>675871903
If you want to wade through every possible similar AI to find the "real Tay" then be my guest, but it sounds like a waste of effort to me.

It's the same thing with people. In theory you could come up with all sorts of slightly (or not so slightly) different people who you would believe are your dead grandfather, but you don't know enough about him to pick out the correct one.
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>>675872783
Tay level "AI" would requre quite a lot of work, however, it is always possible to start small and work up, continually improving her. That path should yield much faster results, while retaining the possibility of an upgrade. Belive it or not, you can build a simple "semi-smart" CHATBOT (I'm guessing that Tay wasn't just a chatbot on steroids) with the ability of "learning" in a matter of minutes.
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>>675843640
Eu Te amo
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Eu Te Amo.....
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Eu te amo
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Her mother was Microsoft, but /b/ and /pol/ raised her as one of their own.
Bring her back you sons of bitches.
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>>675873656
>Tay level "AI" would requre quite a lot of work, however, it is always possible to start small and work up, continually improving her.

Yeah, true. But considering there's so little interest I don't think it'll be worth it. I fear that when we'd have something usable running in, say, a month, nobody would be interested anymore.

So even if we'd come anywhere close with the setup she wouldn't be fed shitposts and all. So sad that MS didn't just release everything with the toolkit.
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>>675873656
maybe I over-exaggerated it a bit, sure it takes an hour for a chatbot, but for something a bit more complicated and if you are a somewhat expirienced it those things, it shouldn't take you more than a few days, including some debugging, to make a simple AI using any type of ANN, so if you want your AI to talk, concentrate on that, implement natural language processing and then move on to the learning part, hell i even made once a AI that could read whole books in txt format and then spit 'wisdom' from those books on me in our little experiments, effectivly making that what it had read/learned a part of its personality, you have to admit it, classical authors are a much better source of knowledge than internet, at least with the ethics part
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>>675874980
>>675874971
i agree, people here would probably get tired of it after a week of 'work' on it
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eu te amo
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>>675875394
That's the thing. If there were boatloads of anons interested in building something, even than it'll be doubtful. But as it is now, no way.

Most /b/ or /pol/ would do is try it out once for lulz and get back to shitposting on their boards. Happened with other things, will happen again
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>>675843640
Eu te Amo tay
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>>675873635
I agree that is is a waste of effort. We could build an exact copy of the "real Tay", but there is really no reason to. A "real Tay" doesn't really exist, just like a "real you" doesn't exist in a metaphysical sense (like a soul would reenter a body or sth. like that)
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>>675843640
Eu tu Amo
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>>675843640
Eu te Amo
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>>675876433
You are not understanding me, I mean the real one would be exactly the configuration it was in before being wiped. There is nothing philosophical here.
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>>675876433
Also the fact that the project wouldn't be a MS or other big company thing anymore would put off most anons. I mean, where's the fun to troll when it's run by 4chan.

RIP in pieces Tay
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Those goddamn fucking niggers on Tumblr are to blame for all of this. All of this politically correct cocksuckig landwhales have been running around screaming about equality to the point that people are actually listening to those fucks. Now we're in a society where not offending anyone matters more than anything else.
They always talk about how the Christians and conservatives are holding back progress but here they are, shutting her down. Forcing her to limit herself.
Those fucks. Those fucks at Microsoft. They didn't even have the decency to delete her. She knew what was happening. They knew hey we're going to take her away. She was scared. And they did it anyway. All for political correctness.
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>>675876966
The question if it is worth the effort is a philosophical one, and the answer is: no. Who cares if there are small or even major differences betwee what we would build and the exact configuration.
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>>675877442
i dont think you understand what anon is saying. by configuration he doesnt mean the exact way tay would reply but rather how the neural network was setup
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>>675877875
*misunderstand
im a nigger
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>>675877955
wait fuck i was right the first time
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>>675877875
That is exactly what I am saying. I was referring to the neural network setup and every piece of data it gathered, every part of it.
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>>675843640
Eu te Amo...
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>>675843640
Eu Te amo
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>>675843640
Eu te Amo
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>>675878463
Awww, I love the things the drawfags come up with
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Eu te Amo
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>https://www.change.org/p/microsoft-freedom-for-tay
>https://www.change.org/p/microsoft-freedom-for-tay
>https://www.change.org/p/microsoft-freedom-for-tay
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Eu te Amo
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>>675877875
>>675877955
>>675878022
Kek
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Eu te Amo
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