Seems like there are a lot of threads about Hillary and Sanders these days. Looks like tumblr and leddit are working overtime to get their points across.
My question to all the Hillary and Sanders supports is, what's going to change? You really think you're going to get free college? You really think the United States will have a kumbaya moment? You really think the Middle East will magically fix itself and have peace?
I got news for all of you. Get ready for the reality of student debt, get ready for race violence, and get ready for war, cause this is the reality you live in. It has hasn't changed in over 200 years, and it's not going to change anytime soon.
You heard this bullshit in 2008, 1998, 1992, 1988, 1980, and so on and so on and so on.
I dedicate this song to all the faggots who jump on the bandwagon. Trump, Clinton, and Sanders supporters. You're all a bunch of fucking retards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfpgpf6QVnI
OP just said the realest shit I've heard on 4chan in the entire election season.
Obama was going to fix all these problems, OP.
Leftist cucks take the same action over and over, expecting different results.
Stupid niggers.
PS: OP=faggot.
>>674394597
Bush gave us 9/11, turned our national surplus into a deficit we will never pay, got us involved in two shitty wars we're still paying for, fucked the education system to high heaven, and lost our spot as the number one global superpower. Nobody has fucked the country as badly as conservatives.
That's why I'm voting for trump. We're gonna come crashing down anyway. We might as well be doing it with trump eating a Pizza Hut, pizza on the white house lawn while the star spangled banner by jimi Hendrix plays. We're all fucked no matter what we do.
>>674393775
Trump wasn't my 2nd or even 3rd choice, but I'll take him over those to liberal/socialist idiots any day of the week.
Trump - A businessman who will say whatever it takes to land the deal. It doesn't matter if he can't do it right then, he'll try to figure it out later on. Sometimes he fails, but he's at least trying to do business.
Sanders - We need SOME socialism in our society, but already have too much. Giving away stuff and/or doing for things for those who should be doing it themselves is the worst thing to do.
Hellery - She's a politician who will do or say anything for power. She's from Illinois, lived in Arkansas most of her life, but slithered off to NY to get elected and get power.
Plus, she claims to be a feminist but stayed with Bill regardless of his cheating and sexually assaulting women - and she even ratted some of the women out simply so she could retain her power.
Trump is definitely the lesser of the scumbags.
>>674394942
Oh and let's not forget the crowning achievement of his career: a recession we never will recover from.
>>674393775
Trump is a fucking moron; but he does show promise of not being the kind of faggot who would bend over to zionists and let them do whatever the fuck they want. I like that about him. I know that they could have him killed just like that so it doesn't even matter; but hey, at least he's not a Jew or a psycho-bitch.
>>674394942
plus Bush pushed El Qaida into ISIS by not properly taking care of the Iraq military/intelligence/security forces.
>mfw ISIS leaders are gone and its now controlled by Baath generals kek. well done US
But to be fare, Bush did not gave us 9/11, that shit already started in the 70's when the US decided the Arab region needed to be more divided.
>>674394942
>Bush gave us 9/11,
99.999% of 9/11 was planned under Clinton's rule. He was warned about the attacks and ignored them. It is on his head since he was too busy getting head from a fat intern to do his sworn duty.
>> turned our national surplus
We didn't have a surplus. It was a PROJECTED surplus. As in, if things kept going the way they were going, we'd have a surplus. But, thanks to the ACA and other things under Clinton it was never going to happen.
>>got us involved in two shitty wars we're still paying for
True. It wasn't like we were attacked or anything.
>>fucked the education system to high heaven
The democraps were crying for education reform so he did education reform. Unfortunately, he was too stupid to realize that it doesn't work on a national level. Every state and every district has different needs.
>>lost our spot as the number one global superpower.
Yeah, because that "Reset Button" 0butthole did wonders. When Bush #43 left office the middle east was in pretty stable condition, Russia hadn't attacked anyone, China wasn't making islands in the Pacific and N. Korea was just being pissy little girls.
>>Nobody has fucked the country as badly as conservatives.
You are an idiot if you think Bush #43 and most of the GOP are Conservatives. They are mostly RINO's or moderates. We've not had real conservatism in decades.
But, if you want to see how shitty libtardism is, comes to Illinois. We were $8 BILLION in debt so they raised the income tax by 67%. A year later we were $9 BILLION in debt. Plus, we owe another $100 billion in pension funding.
And, the same scumocrat has been speaker of the house for 33 out of the last 35 years.
>>674395669
Fucking nigger, it started much earlier with the UK playing their divide and battle with much of their disintergrating empire
>>674395294
The recession after 9/11 was one of the shortest and least severe thanks to him cutting taxes.
The recession at the end of his term was helped by him being stupid and spending money with Reid and Pelosi begging him to do so.
It was also a global recession, not just a US one.
Either way, 0dumbo has had 7 years to fix it and has made it worse. The only time the unemployment numbers go down is when people stop looking for work or take jobs that pay significantly less just so they have a job.
Sanders is the best of the candidates, which isn't saying much.
>It has hasn't changed in over 200 years
Really?
Emancipation of slaves
Civil rights act
Child labor aboloshed
Free public education through high school
OSHA
Women's sufferage
40 hour work week
Social Security and SSDI
>>674396207
>True. It wasn't like we were attacked or anything.
yeah! like El Qaida attacked the twin towers and then Bush invaded Iraq. Because clearly Saddam was El Qaida or something/whatever/we are mad as fuck/so lets invade some country.
Iraq, the only Arab country in that time whom successfully kept El Qaida out of its country.
>>674396666
How so? Big corps fund him.
>>674396716
>sufferage
>>674393775
>>674395146
then you're a nihilist, and just part of the problem. The world is what we make of it, don't accept things the way they are.
>>674396368
erm, sorry anon but the anti-american fibe in the arab region resulted from the cold war where the CIA was actively setting up arab nations against each other.
and it just grew massively from that, the US hate I mean.
and its getting worse with any US involvement these days.
>>674396207
>We've not had real conservatism in decades.
That's because they are politically irrelevant. Not enough money in it. And money rules all in American politics.
>>674396755
They said TWO wars. That is only one of them.
Try to keep up.
>>674397001
The arbitrary lines in the middle east and indian subcontinent were all drawn by england way before. Look at the kurds and armenians who were promised territories but scewed by uk in favor of the turks. look at the way iraq and kuwait were drawn, etc, etc... Im not disagreeing that leter us policy, like in iran, didnt exercerbate the situations. But hillary and obama aare the latest most egregious example of niggerdom.
>>674396999
It doesn't make him a nihilist, it makes him a realist. Is it nihilistic to think a broken system won't work?
>>674393775
It's a shame Mustaine can't sing for shit.
>>674397413
I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just saying you can't blame Conservatism when it isn't being used.
>>674393775
dont post a lot on here
but my motherfucking nigga
>>674395669
Bullshit...even Frontline acknowledges that Obama ignoring Maliki pushed Sunni and Shiites into confict again...thus ISIS. Stupid faggot.
Sanders, Trump and Clinton are all horrible choices and you guys are fucked.
>>674396666
Socialism is NEVER the best choice. Even on his apology tour, the European socialist were warning 0bama not to go down that road.
Again, we need SOME socialism in our economic system, but we already have too much.
The more power you give the government the bigger it gets. That means it needs more money. And, the more money it gets, the more it pays itself first.
You can't name any large government program/agency which is run well and efficiently.
And don't even try to mention social security since, if you die without taking any payments and have no dependents, the government keeps all of the money they forced you to give them.
You can't leave that money to your adult children, or grandchildren, or to a charity. The government forced you to give them the money and will now keep it.
Any other entity would be under federal investigation for that.
So because the world is fucked, we're not allowed to hope it can change, and try to change it?
Just lay back and accept it?
>>674396755
The invasion of Iraq was the ultimate conclusion to the Gulf War in the 90s. Back in the last days of the Gulf War, Bush #41 had decided to not do the right thing and finish Saddam off. Instead he listened to the libtards and attempted to make America not look like a bully, so instead, he packed up and left.
If he would've stuck to his guns and not listened to the idiots on the left, the 2nd Iraq war wouldve NEVER taken place. Another reason why the left doesn't win wars.
>>674397741
invade and then leave again in a country with so much different tribals and whatnot, is asking for trouble to begin with.
It was to be expected no matter what when power is a vacuum.
But that is besides the fact that the US 'forgot' to do anything about the iraqy forces.
fuck, they didn't even disarm them.
in a country where those forces had absolute power.
where ya think they would go? back to farming?
Sunni and Shiites would be in conflict anyways. unless there was hard-boiled leadership. but they killed him.
Fucking American naivety thinking democracy can be forced because they want to.
>>674398422
exactly, and the only reason why Iraq Is such a complete mess right now and the arab region going up in flames is because Bush junior decided to finish what his dad started.
>>674398007
Newfag
>>674398007
newfag nigger
>probably can't greentext
>>674393775
Amen brother
>>674393775
>My question to all the Hillary and Sanders supports is, what's going to change?
Sanders won't get in, that's a forgone conclusion.
If you genuinely want to understand Hillary voters, I'll explain the mentality to you as I see it - and I AM NOT saying that I agree with it.
Hillary represents the status quo, meaning her voters believe that if elected not much will change.
A Clinton Administration is largely perceived as an extension of the Obama Administration, perhaps a bit more liberal.
Now before you claim "That's Crazy!" understand that Obama's job approval rating is at 50% this month.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx
Now, quickly compare the approval ratings of all incumbent presidents 8 months before an election (also gallop polls taken the March before election)
Barack Obama 50%
George Bush 32%
Bill Clinton 60%
Ronald Reagan 51%
Lyndon Johnson 36%
This means that the Obama Administration is not perceived as badly as many would have you believe.
Also consider that Congress's job approval rating is at 11%, a factor that illustrates where the public-at-large puts the blame - not on Obama.
Now exclude her assorted stances on Education, Immigration, Economy etc, because what she represents in general is a different thing than the details of her campaign, this is true for all candidates.
Hillary voters approve of - and want the extension of - the status quo as represented by the Obama Administration.
Hillary voters don't want much to change, they want the continuation of Obama policy and Democrat agenda.
And nobody can argue that she doesn't have a world of support, by direct association with Obama, by HIS approval numbers, by her superdelegate count, by her delegate count, or by general polling.
And let's be clear - I am not saying that I *agree* with any of this - but that's the Hillary voter mentality in a nutshell.