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>Islam is peaceful
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>>673954220
>so is christianity
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>>673955038
>plus hitler was an atheist
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>>673955178
>coclusion: religion isn't peaceful or violent. humans are.
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>>673954220
Pieceful
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>>673955416
>coclusion: religion isn't peaceful or violent. humans are.
/thread
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>>673954220
>I'm a huge faggot

Fify OP
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>>673955416
except humans use religion as a reason to create violence.
because without religion people would see you as a psycho if you hurt someone without a credible reason.
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In a parallel universe maybe
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>>673955416
>real conclusion: hitler did nothing wrong.
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The God of true peace
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>>673954220
>An Empire without Talos isn't an Empire
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>>673955416
No faggot, you're wrong
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>>673956115
>Skyrim will not bow to Elves
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>>673956163
no, you are!
>first one to start crying loses
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>>673956497
>Rise up Stormcloaks and free Skyrim and restore Talos worship
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>>673954220
>I worship the Nine Divines heathen
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>>673954220
>My ancestors are smiling upon me Imperial, can you say the same?
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<voice of reason>
"Violence" is the most inaccurate, outdated and anthropocentric concept in the study of ethics/morality. People are not special. Like animals forming packs or plants forming colonies, we seek those who are the most similar to us and gang up to attack and defend from other teams.

It's how nature works.

Humans are the only "violent" species because we are capable enough to understand abstract concepts and consequences of our actions. Thus, we need justification of our actions - because nobody thinks "Yeah, I'm evil. I'm against good.", unless they're a 80's Saturday morning cartoon villain. As long as something, or better yet, someone - and even better, someone with power/influence/authority - provides justification for one's action, it's all good.

In the end, it doesn't matter if it was "I was mad", "He was threatening my wife", "I was ordered to shoot by my superior" or "They were ethnically unpure and deserved to be cleansed" or "God told me too". It doesn't matter. It's always "Me vs. the world" and, on a slightly larger scale, "us vs. them" mentality.
</voice of reason>

Don't bother responding, I'm out of here. I don't need my opinions validated.
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>>673955178
FTFY
>*Catholic
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>>673954220
"Peace"
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>>673955416
/thread
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>>673957579
>Teams
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>>673957579
Overeducated milk drinker, we Nords fight for honor and glory so that our triumphs are sung in Sovngarde!
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>>673955178
no he was a vegetarian
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>>673957960
French people did that.
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>>673957824
I hope a migrant rapes and kills him
Fucking left wing propaganda piece of shit
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>>673957893
Feel free to substitute "team" for any of the following

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_terms_of_venery,_by_animal

Or analogous names for groups of living things like tissues, organs, schools and ecosystems. They're all teams
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>>673958169
Some were refugees, none were ethnically French (all Arab) - which makes it worse. It means they don't integrate even after multiple generations. And now millions are coming.
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>>673958471

God Lord Trump will save us all
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>>673958240
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>>673958471
None integrate because a few assholes did this?
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>>673955712
faggot
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>>673958240
My sides
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>>673958692
ty random anon
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>>673954220
i used to fuck an islam.
she'd come over sometimes while her boyfriend was away after school.

once the door would close she'd almost instantly get naked. most times she'd put on her favorite song and start sucking. then she would cry. her tears and makeup would drip down her face onto my dick. its surprising how cold tears are. eventually i finally asked her what was wrong. in between licks she told me that her favorite song was also her bfs favorite song. so even though she loved hearing it and it totally got her pussy wet, it also made her think about the fact that she was cheating on her boyfriend. i dont think i ever came harder down somebodies throat then right after she told me that. she was beautiful. we dont hang out anymore. wanna get lunch?


this was the song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYyZJCD49U4
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>>673958839
When is the last time 11 ethnic French got together for a suicide attack(despite that that should be much more likely to happen since there are more French people)? And more of this leftist bullshit of thinking only the ones killing are a problem.
11 people sacrificed their lives to kill French people. Think of how many hate French but are not as willing to die for it yet.
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>>673955416
Humans are retarded, so are religions, and mixing the two makes it double so.
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>>673958287

He's the biggest fucking kike there is. Nothing but a goddamn puppet for the far left.
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>>673959835
you can pull that same rates among christians extremists too tho. and its suprising to see its not close to %100 all the way since the interviews was only on muslims who want sharia.
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>>673959835
It makes no sense, they support sharia law but don't support Sharia Law
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>>673959353
I'm not saying everybody could do that, of course you need religion or some similar doctrine for shit like that. Islam certainly is, at the moment, the religion with the biggest potential for violence.
I still don't think every muslim or whatever should be made responsible for the terrible things done in its name.

That being said, if we could just toss religion all together, things would be much better, since they're all equally retarded.
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>>673955943
do you also take the bible word for word? because i am sure you are not selling your daugthers and whip your wives for wearing whatever anymore
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>>673960287
Yeah I'm fucking sure 80% of Christians in Germany favor killing women who cheat by beating them to death with rocks.
> The amount of bullshit leftists will make up to justify their love for the browns

I'm not even Christian.
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>>673960895
The problem: you can't "toss" Islam off so you are not solving the problem
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>>673961015
the poll is not on muslims but spesific muslim groups that wants sharia. im a muslim and i would fucking take up arms to drive of the extremists if i see sharia coming. and christian hate groups can easlly match the horrid punishments for being gay. you cant fucking read well mate, get some glasses
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>>673960895
I'm just saying they've caused so much problems, hate us and think they're superior, openly say they migrate to our countries for money and to spread their religion and not because they love our culture or whatever, are more criminal in general, and now our governments are forcing us to take in more.
It's only gonna get worse for non-Muslim whites in Europe and probably America and Canada soon. There is literally no benefits to bringing them in and more help could be given for cheaper in their own countries. It's racial and cultural genocide, for god knows why but that's what's going to happen.
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>>673961124
Islam itself isn't the whole problem. These terror attacks are a relatively new phenomenon, and the reasons for them aren't only to be found in religion.
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>>673961558
And those numbers who said they wanted sharia were still often much more than 50% of the country.
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>>673954220
aku approves of peaceful islam
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Someone gut and hang that faggot
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>>673960933
Now wait a minute the bible doesn't seem to have any rules to lie murder deceipt behead or rape and beat women now does it.
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>>673961819
Terror attacks are a new problem because Muslim immigration is a new problem.
Muslims were doing the same shit all of their history, just with swords instead of bombs and they weren't being imported to Germany by the millions.
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>>673962362
And it also doesn't have any rewards for murder in the bible
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>>673961819
Actually it is, this is not new, I mean they have bombs now but Islam in fact is the problem, maybe other factors influenced but still
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>>673961595
I agree, if western countries wouldn't have cut aids for refugees still located in, say, Jordan, a lot less would have come. God knows why they did it.

Why do you think "they"(all of them) hate us? The ones I've met didn't make that impression.
Where do you get your information about crime rates and such?

The way I see it, european countries aren't taking them in for their benefit, but because they're humans in danger (at least most, if not they get deported anyway). I think that's the right thing to do, we have human rights for a reason.
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>>673961974
lol thats a stretch, apart from the main extremist countries (like pakistan afganistan) larger percent of the muslims doesnt want the rule that the extremists want. most of them are non-violent. the main problem here is the information blocking by governments so they are mostly uninformed/indifferent about just how bad it is out there.
>>673962362
well, it does actually.
"Make ready to slaughter [the infidel’s] sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants."

Then I heard God say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.”
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>>673962463
Europeans did the same shit as well. Until not too long ago actually. Islam needs its own Age of Enlightenment or something like that. There were quite progressive islamic countries some decades ago actually (Iran, Egypt), it just went to shit again for several reasons.
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>>673962362
also
"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death."

"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
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>>673962930
>Where do you get your information about crime rates and such?
Reading the news. Every fucking day there's a new holocaust of rape and murder to report.
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>>673962930
Surely with the amount of claims that its impossible to vet these people and ensure that A) they are legitimate refugees
and B) that they arent a threat to the security of the country
the best solution is to create a safe zone in war torn areas while also pressuring the Arab League to provide aid in accomplishing this.
After all these are Islamic countries and these Islamic countries are very very kind and charitable right? Because Islam is a peaceful religion right?
This also reduces any "cultural differences" we may have causing "misunderstandings" with the law in our own nations.
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>>673962362
just a quick google search revealed all these marvels.
>>673962575
it also includes the "reward" you wanted to know about
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>>673963684
I'm guessing you're trolling now. Since when are accurate statistics part of the news?
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>>673962930
We aren't the world's daycare and we don't owe them a fucking thing, especially if it means the end of our culture to do it and increased violence rates.
If bleeding hearts want to help they can do it with their own fucking money or stop being fucking shallow hypocrites.
> Why do you think "they"(all of them) hate us? The ones I've met didn't make that impression.

18 years of growing up with diversity. If you're a leftist you may not even notice it, I've seen a lot of them agree with the non-whites when racial abuse is slung at them.
> Where do you get your information about crime rates and such?

Look up any crime rate reporting race or nationality and then look up population sizes and compare.
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>>673963790
meant to post this also
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>>673962362
also found a stoning example
"But if [a girl wasn't a virgin on her wedding night] and evidence of the girl's virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her father’s house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against God’s people by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst."
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its funny how people shut the hell up when they see horrors of bible. enjoy your books christians, its not a bit more peaceful then quran.
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>>673963508
Yeah and then we stopped. So what, now we have to subject ourselves to it to appease guilt?
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>>673964296

Kek

See>>673955416

Religion is just a justification to do the horrible things that come naturally for humans. Really doesn't matter which one it is.
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If you want some info that's a little less trolly here's a great vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSPvnFDDQHk

>stupid pic in case you don't
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>>673964545
im just replying to the fucks that said there is nothing like stoning or rape commands in bible mate.
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>>673964356
no you just have to see that it is a socio-political issue and not a religional issue.
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>>673964724

And you're not wrong. But you can't deny that Islam is significantly more violent, regardless of religious text.
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>>673964296
How does Christianity condoning certain actions make the actions being carried out by others any less relevant?
Also when you have such a huge amount of global terror attacks being committed by one group there has to be a massive issue and dodging it by saying "But X also condones Y" does nothing to solve it.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/sunni-muslim-extremists-committed-70-terrorist-murders-2011
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>>673964866
> socio-political
Yes, Islamic ideiology is tied with societal and political problems
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>>673964356
No, we don't. You said they've been violent all along, I just wanted to point out: just like us. So, if Islam itsself is the problem, you could say that about christianity as well (looking back). That's obviously not the case anymore, so why shouldn't that be possible for Islam as well?
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>>673964954
see this>
>>673964724
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>>673964866

Hard for it not to be a religious issue, especially when religion dictates nearly all social and political aspects of countries where it dominates.
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>>673965398
>worshipping a pedophile polygamist illiterate manipulative post-medieval warlord isn't a bad thing

alright dude
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>>673965171
Christianity was a problem in the past now they're only a problem to themselves because they're a bunch of cucks because self-hatred is the dominant ideology of Europe and its diaspora
> so why shouldn't that be possible for Islam as well?

Islam can have their enlightenment (or not) I don't care; just do it in their own countries
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>>673954220
i once had respect for john oliver
be i lost it when he defender gamer gate and then the migrants
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>>673965697
this honestly
I see no reason why we should suffer through their burdens with them for issues we are not causing.
In cases like Syria sure the argument can be made we owe them aid but we are not the world's daycare centre and we should not be required to act as parents to these barbarians while they take a temper tantrum.
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>>673960933
No, we don't take the Bible for its literal wording. Nor do Christians, for that matter. Very few believe the literal word of the Bible or try to enforce it.

Muslims are still making war over their literal belief in Koranic dogma. Christian text is very rough; Islam is a religion of absolute war. That is the difference.
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Reality check
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>>673965681

The fuck are you even talking about? I sure as shit wasn't defending Islam. I'm saying that the issues that those countries face has everything to do with their religion, because it's their religion that controls nearly every aspect of life and their political views.
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>>673965398
i understand why you re unable to understand the concept of religion being irrelevant in violance. but try a bit harder next time. christian idology wasnt less violent. it was also more expansive and had more power backing it. but it went away anyway. and it wasnt that big of a part of our lives here in turkey (a nearly %95 muslim country) till mid 2000s. economical crisis led common people to seek a holding point and they found an extremly religious leader(which was backed by united states no less) to turn to. now the country went downhill in every aspect in just 13 years, and problems keep adding up. but it is still not a religious issue. people are poor, undereducated, and generally dumbed down by media. we get a bombing every month in capital and half the country doesnt even know or care about it.

over wrote a bit, but its the situation more or less.
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>>673963790
Absolutely, a refugee solution as close as possible to their home states would be preferable. I think Jorden has like 3 mil, which is pretty fucking much.
But you're right, many islamic countries aren't charitable for shit (especially Saudi-Arabia, but they are on another planet anyway).

I never said Islam is very peaceful or anything. It's as arbitrary as any other religion.
I just think most people have compassion within them, if they didn't get brainwashed at least. If humans need help, they should get it. If we don't help, the great values western countries like to boast about aren't worth anything.
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>>673967225
I was only saying the stuff about Islam being peaceful and charitable because they seem to barrage us with that on a daily basis yet never back it up
It really would not be hard to turn this on its head and coerce a response from them by doing so.

As for the Saudis they performed more beheadings than ISIS last year but obviously since theyre the UN representative for Human Rights theyre a fantastic people
http://www.mintpressnews.com/saudi-arabia-beheads-nearly-twice-as-many-people-as-isis-so-far-this-year/208894/
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>>673966323
how the bible any different from quran again?
text is "rough" it seems pretty clear cut to me. you commit adultery, both man and women gets kileld; girl not virgin on wedding nigth, gets stoned to deaths. same shit on quran too. people "stopped" taking it word for word, i'll give you that. but there is nothing seperates the two books if you look at how it was enforced. the problem is how people are fed information. free information led to enligthenment in christianity, it will do the same to islam(and much faster once it starts due to modern communications) but its so fucking hard to reach when your government tries to step on you every turn and puts a terrorist tag(enemy of the state mostly) on you. im figthing for enlightenment in my community. but please be more obejctive looking present and past. it almost a 1 by 1 reenaction of christian history if you look at it.
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>>673967225
(Not who you're responding to, by the way)

>If we don't help, the great values western countries like to boast about aren't worth anything.
We know that introducing Muslim migrants gives a strong force of attrition to those secular values, since so many retain their indoctrinated beliefs in systems of Islamic law and attempt to make changes where they re-settle.

This in spite of Islam being used to justify a good number of the atrocities that they're fleeing in the first place.

One cannot allow large swathes of people who place no value on a free-thinking secular society where religion has no place in governance without sacrificing ground on that point.

To illustrate my point, I proffer the entire recent history of the United Kingdom.

Human compassion is good, I agree it is and should remain a strong value of Western culture. But in so diluting our population to the detriment of secular human compassion is a poor long-term solution for charity effort.

In order to maintain even the possibility of charity, a society must first be doing well on its own. If we sacrifice our own values, economy and land for charitable purposes, we have less ability to be charitable in the future both in terms of a shift in intent and in terms of a dearth of resources to do so.

So I put forward that we should minimise the necessity of migrant intake into our populations, with exception for crisis refugees, both for ourselves and for the future of our charity efforts.
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>>673965697
>Islam can have their enlightenment (or not) I don't care; just do it in their own countries
YES
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>>673968117
Do we have large standing armies committing murder because of what is written in the Bible? No.

Is the endgame of the Biblical message world where everyone is a servant, a muslim or a corpse? Not to my knowledge, but obviously there are a lot of sects.

As part of the background noise of a civilised, secular society, Christianity has had to adapt its teachings to survive, slowly leaving less and less people believing the horrific parts of the texts.

Islam has never had such time to mature. As such, it remains tribal, warlike and abhorrent in many parts of the world.
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>>673968398
this is where the word "globalization" comes in.
immigrants have no future of keeping their doctrines in an open society like they would in the closed ones like in syria and such. entegration and demarginalization of the capitalist system is far more advanced than any religion to keep up with. give it a couple years, half of them will be chavs just fine. been done before, will be done again.
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>>673966295
>issues we are not causing
How do you think ISIS developed in the first place? Or other middle eastern terror groups for that matter.

Also, western countries have always profited off trading with islamic countries and dictatorships (effectively endorsing them). If that doesn't work out anymore, they suddenly become "barbarians".
And you just can't expect to bomb the shit out of a bunch of countries without some kind of rebound effect. These bombings also killed WAY more civilians than any suicide bomber could ever dream of. But they were just sandniggers, so it's ok right?
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>>673969033
This works on small scale immigration only
Why would you ever integrate when your whole village immigrated with you and you were all housed together? Theres nothing to integrate to because they overtake the culture immediately.

This is why no sane man would ever endorse mass immigration of another culture. One of the best examples of this is in the US. Normally they have incredible results with immigration, however they took in 100k from Somalia and the results were hugely different.
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>>673969033
I used to share your lofty dreams, but globalisation does not occur rapidly where Muslims form a significant population percentage.

This because they surround themselves by other Muslims. This is a thing they do repeatedly, by the way, and not just a passing anecdote.

It is difficult to buy people over into a secular society when they are surrounded by like-thinking people in their own micro-societies, retain the beliefs of their forebears and bear great distrust against their compatriots.

Again, as a case study: the United Kingdom.
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>>673969189
What about you dumb fucks seeing us say we don't want them in our countries makes you think we want to be fucking with their shit in their countries?
If we had a say in what our leaders did we wouldn't be having "diversity" shoved down our throats.
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>>673958287
>>673959689
I liked him on Community though
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>>673969189
If your point is that we ought to keep our noses out of the ME, I couldn't agree more. But I don't think that their "intra-country" policies have anything to do with our interference. Look at Saudi, or Pakistan, where you will be beheaded as an apostate or stoned to death as a rape victim.
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>>673968840
you cant read very well so im writing once again.

you DID have armies commiting murders in the name of christ.
and you DID have the world domination agenda.
you failed, you moved on. built a modern society based on the theachings of muslim philosophers of 13th century and the salvaged greek books(some from muslim libraries as well).

islam needs its own enligthenment, that what i said before, i agree with you. but only way to do it as fast as possible is to entegrate the fucking muslims.
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>>673954220 (OP) #
>>67355038 #
> wrong nigga faggots peaceful
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Some days I wish people would just be happy and shut the fuck up about irrelevant shit. We really have it too good where we can spend our days jerking off and shitposting.

I'll tell you what, you show me someone who hates Islam and I'll show you someone who hasn't had a legitimate conversation with a non-white their entire life.

Fuck you all and please die, love me.
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>>673969790
you do have a say tho. its called "voting".
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>>673968034
Yup, the Saudis are nuts. How they can even talk about human rights is beyond me.
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>>673970197
"oil" is the short answer
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>>673969189
>there were no issues in the middle east before ISIS
>if something goes wrong somewhere in the world you can blame a white guy for it

This argument is fucking ridiculous.
Also trading with them is now equal to endorsing them? What are you even on?
Its been noted time and time again that dictatorships seem to keep the balance of power in this region. Without it everything goes to shit.
see Saddam Hussein.

We're always going to trade with the rest of the world regardless of how they run their country.
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>>673970079
Funny because it's always affluent white neighborhoods who are okay with Muslim and non-white immigration
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>>673958816
But Aladdin takes place in persia which wasn't islamic until recently...
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>>673970197
The UN is the biggest joke running right now. Theyre too scared to act on anything.
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>>673970302
you buy oil, sell them guns. its a nice and cozy bussiness.
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>>673954220
>>673955038
>wrong nigga fag retard is peaceful
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>>673970302
>see Saddam Hussein
Or Gaddafi.
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>>673970183
(not who you replied to)
Sadly a lot of politicians endorse the same thing time after time, or dont tell you their full plans.

Although yes its true voting is effective (the AFD's rise in germany is the easiest way to demonstrate this) its not always possible to know exactly what youre voting for
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>>673970605
true
You hear he was killed because he tried to make a gold backed currency?
Fucking Rothschild probably had him killed so he could continue to control the world through fiat currency.
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>>673969986
Head out of the book; I'm talking about the present.

Islam is abhorrent because it's doing abhorrent things in the present.

Christianity was abhorrent; it did abhorrent things in the past.

Therefore, Islam is different to Christianity because it is a threat today and a threat tomorrow.

Muslims resist integration with extreme tenacity, consistently forming micro-societies wherever they are introduced in large numbers.

We cannot integrate them attempting to play the numbers game. It's not any sort of solution.

Their aggressive belief in their dogma will be much stronger, for them, than our relaxed secular compassion.

I agree entirely that modern Islam, both in the developed and the developing world, needs a reform or enlightenment.

Muslims, however, would rather go to war than change their beliefs. Apostates still face death in Islamic countries.

I can still draw further contrasts between historic Christian warlike-ness and the present Islamic warlike-ness if you'd like.

Largely, Christians wanted their promised and ancestral lands, and much of the rest of the world.

Warlike Islamic factions want the fucking planet for Allah, no compromises, and they want it yesterday.
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>>673970530
They want to buy guys theyre going to buy guns. Are you saying that they wouldnt be able to buy them otherwise or that if they didnt have guns they wouldnt kill each other?
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>>673970605
both were allies of united states. also united states was allies with every non-socialist dictator at some point in the past 60 or 70 years i belive.
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>>673969986
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7y2LRcf4kc
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>muh scary immigration boogeyman
You're never going to stop immigration, so why even try?

I blame the media for refusing to acknowledge internal security problems and constantly shifting the blame because it's what people want to hear.
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>>673970362
Aladdin takes place in China. Look it up
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>>673970323
Not the ones that are run down by isolationist Muslims.

Weird!
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>>673971117
>appeal to inevitability
You're going to die someday so do it today you obnoxious, deliberately ignorant cunt.
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>>673970950
im just saying its a bussiness. take whatever you want from it.
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>>673971117
This argument is pathetic "It probably wont happen so why try it"
also I havent seen anyone here saying that immigration is bad at its core: only the mass immigration of people will incompatible cultures and backwards ideas
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>>673971438
The market it there. Someone will exploit it. Punishing the people exploiting it rather than attempting to address the core of the issue is pretty stupid.
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>>673969867
I agree, those interferences don't make up everything. Installing terror groups (Mujahideen) or overthrowing elected governments (Iran) isn't gonna help tho.
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>>673970079
http://toprightnews.com/heres-what-happened-when-one-nation-started-deporting-radical-muslims/
Yes. All these fears are completely unfounded and irrational,
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>>673971626
just saying its not a war on terorrism because its a bussiness deal mate. terrrorism wont end till united states wants it to. because its good fucking bussisnes.
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>>673971335
>I learned logic from /pol/! This makes me a smart
Immigration is an integral part of society. You, specifically you, being the ignorant shit you are, are never going to stop immigration. People deserve the right to join nations and no complaining, no racism, no massacre, no smuggling is ever going to change that.

How about an appeal to reality you fuckfaced milktoast retard?

The fact is the Middle East has been repeatedly fucked throughout history in the same way as Africa. There are always going to violent outliers, but that doesn't mean that the rest of the nation should be looked down upon. They look at American "Christian" groups like the KKK very similarly. It's a lot more complex than "THIS WHOLE AREA OF THE WORLD IS JUST RACIST".
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It just confuses me that the people that much so hard for muslims are the people that the muslims hate the most.

Liberals - IE: Pro abortion, Gay Marriage, Transgender Rights, Single Motherhood, Woman's rights, God is a Myth kek, etc.

Do you guys not understand that Muslims aren't for any of that?

-Gay in Iran? Beheaded
-Beat your wife to death? Call it divorce
-Abortion? Murder
-Transgender? Hahahah see beheaded
-Atheist? Behead you as well

Yet Liberals want them to flood our countries? wat?
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>>673972339
what a healty source tho.
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>>673971773
Hence staying out of the ME, as I said. Even when we think we're doing good, we're just creating strife, civil war, and more problems that will be harder to deal with later.
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>>673972476
i liked sanders before, but when he said he was going to let syrian refugees into the USA i changed my mind and want trump to win.
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>>673972471
see >>673971462
>I havent seen anyone here saying that immigration is bad at its core: only the mass immigration of people will incompatible cultures and backwards ideas
Thought this was obvious mate.
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>>673972476
also republicans are the most similiar to muslims and they hate them. you guys all hate same things. kek
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>>673972471
Sure but it the past it was called racism. Notice no other country, even wealthy countries, are bringing in people in demographic replacement numbers. In 100 years Europe will be to Europe what The U.S. is to native Americans.
But you're either a braindead leftist or a shill so w/e
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>>673971462
>strawmaning
Africa had WAAAAAY more problems than just "broken border lines". The rape of natural resources, the instillation of batshit insane dictators, the sudden leap in technology without any of the background information needed to operate and maintain it responsibly.
It's an entirely different situation than some people who WANTED to immigrate somewhere.
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>>673973098
>>673972471
In the past it was called invasion*
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>>673954220
>He never said that
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>>673972571
http://www.norwaypost.com/index.php/news/latest-news/30293
http://www.usworldreport.com/norway-deported-824-radical-muslims-what-happened-next-has-liberals-dumbfounded-and-conservatives-cheering/
http://www.thelocal.no/20141110/norway-deports-record-number-of-immigrants
theres a few more :)
if that doesnt satisfy you google is a tab away

see also
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/all_rapes_in_oslo_by_foreigners_police/P20/
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>>673970302
>there were no issues in the middle east before ISIS
>if something goes wrong somewhere in the world you can blame a white guy for it
I didn't say or mean that. The thing is, bombing countries to shit and then leaving it without a real government is perfect for terror regimes to become big.
Saddam (and Iraq) was killed because he didn't wanna be the US's bitch anymore. They destroyed everything and killed a fuckton of civilians, of course that country is gonna be unstable as fuck!
And yes, selling weapons is obviously endorsing.
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>>673972924
>most similiar
I mean, comparatively, I suppose, in that some of them believe in legislating their religious morality...but that's a bit of stretch, still. I don't know any that support death as a penalty for adultery or apostasy. If they are true Christians, they'll believe in loving the "sinner" while hating the "sin".
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>>673973371
5 words to waste 5 mins of a racist fucks time. i'll take it.
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>>673972471
>People deserve the right to join nations
I suppose that's up to the nation.
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>>673959353
That's actually the problem. I'm an atheist.
And in the Israel-Palestine conflict, I side with Israel, because Jews are not going to kill me for apostasy, but 40% of Palestinians think atheists should die, and another 20% think we should be imprisoned.
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>>673973631
Silly you European nations don't get to determine their own future.
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>>673972471
I don't browse /pol/, but thanks for using identity politics to try and lump me into a group that you don't like to justify how you disagree with me.

I don't want to stop immigration, entirely. I'd like to prevent large-scale Muslim immigration where they settle in isolation and harbour a grudge against their compatriots as allowing this will see the destruction of my own society, as well as its intrinsic secular values that I share.
Refer here:
>>673968398

>People deserve the right to join nations
No, they don't. Nations must first look out for themselves. You understand why, if nations had no borders, there would be no nations?
Would you like me to draw a diagram for you with some crayons?

>now appealling to the victimhood of the brown people
You're dumber than the /pol/tards I've encountered, but seem to think they're the stupid ones. That's sad, man.
The Middle East has fucked -itself- throughout history. Africa, in grand scale, sold its own people into slavery. Whitey isn't the source of every woe in the world.

>It's a lot more complex than "THIS WHOLE AREA OF THE WORLD IS JUST RACIST".
It's a lot more complex than "this whole school of thought is just racist".

Your appeal to inevitability was still indefensibly fucking stupid, you know. It's likely I'm going to get cancer anyway but I'm still wary of my conversation with you.
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>>673954220
the scared one
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>>673973376
Not denying any of that but it also doesnt explain why you called me out on saying "for issues we havent caused"
I do think we should be aiding the countries we've directly effected and we should be working closely with Syria to wipe out ISIS
however any other issues should not force us to extend a huge amount of aid and let them flood our countries
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>>673973098
>implying leftist
Yeah there's been a big shift in Europe, there's no question of that. But the idea that the whole country is going to be dissociated is ridiculous. There's quite a few wars going on in the Middle East. Add that to the displacement of Palestinian groups (for better or for worse) and you have a mass exodus from that region. That doesn't mean it's anything but temporary. There's only a 5% muslim population in the UK alone, you're exaggerating and the media is exaggerating, using the immigration "crisis" to mask real issues.

BUT HURR YOU'RE JUST A /POL/ TRUMP SHILL HURRRRRRR W/E
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>>673972737
I don't know if doing what we think is good is something we shouldn't do.
The thing is, who ever wanted to do good in the ME? It was always about resources and power, nothing else.
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>>673973631
Yeah, and nearly every nation in the world except North Korea believes in it.
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>>673973726
What's your point with that? I'm an atheist too. I don't support Israel because they're fucking parasites, they have no respect for us and zionists who support the nation-state of Israel almost always oppose preserving nation-states in Europe.
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>>673973507
thats the way to go baby, keep telling them its to protect your religious freedom, lets see where it goes from there shall we?
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>>673973106
>Africa had WAAAAAY more problems than just "broken border lines". The rape of natural resources, the instillation of batshit insane dictators, the sudden leap in technology without any of the background information needed to operate and maintain it responsibly.
I agree with you, but I do think that much of Africa's problem is similar to much of the ME's problem...when you have other countries, who have no idea about your population or conditions, drawing the borders, you're bound to have issues.
Africa is tribal, much like the ME. And when you have arbitrary countries whose borders are drawn up out of thin air, when tribes and ethnicities are divided and thrown together without regard for their histories and beliefs, you can expect sectarian violence. Enlightenment and inter-tribal (let alone international) cooperation can't be forced. It has to develop on its own.
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>>673972471
>People deserve the right to join nations
>>673974077
No, they do not. Do you live on the same planet as everyone else in the thread?

Read up on the terms for visas for work/etc or for citizenship in various countries.

They reserve and will exercise the right to not let you stay there. Thus they continue to be discrete countries.

Take a plane to Aus, mate. Tell them you live there now because it's your right to join their nation.

See how quickly you get fucking deported back to head-in-the-sky la-la land, you fucking loony tune.
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>>673974077
Fantastic. This means nothing. Nations have every right to change their mind. They also have every right to dictate "who" and "how many".
Just because NK are the only people not to believe in something does not mean that "something" is inherently bad.
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>>673973906
They are expected to become a majority in some western European countries due to sky high birth rates and immigration. They are very proud of this fact.
Only 5% and look at all the problems they already cause.
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>>673971188
I thought you were supposed to fuck the goat, not eat it.
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>>673974077
That's untrue. But even if it were, that doesn't make it right. Every country should make its own decision on the issue, regardless of what others do.
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>>673974228
>almost always oppose preserving nation-states in Europe.
I don't know what the fuck that means. What nation-states in Europe are you talking about? What the fuck?
And I said I support Israel, not because I like them, but because the alternative is some gipsy monkey ignorant peasant Palestinians, who would kill me on sight even if I supported them.
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>>673973855
Isn't the war with IS, which the west kind of made way for, the main reason for people fleeing?
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>>673973106
have you seen our hombrew hitler Erdogan yet? the dude is just a few clicks away from plain crazy.
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>we can't let Syrians into the US because terrorism maybe!
>keeps posting the exact same photo of a single violent attack
>mfw
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>except teh quran is often quoted to do misdeeds
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>>673975025
No. From the data, it seems that the majority of the migrants aren't actually refugees seeking asylum from war zones, they are just opportunists looking to move.
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>>673974972
Nation-state meaning a state with a ethnic national identity. They oppose anything that threatens these identities in their country but push "multiculturalism" in our countries.
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>>673974595
This and the fact that Muslims inhabit their own isolated societies mean that our countries and their values are indeed at risk.

It takes a brain-dead liberal to believe that mass immigrations of people who tenaciously maintain their religion and do not much intermix with the surrounding folk, and then outbreed them at a vast rate, will not maintain that religion as they take over the country.

It's simple weight of numbers. How do we avoid this? Don't take in mass migrations of the ideologically poisoned and properly integrate the ones you do.

Apparently reality is very triggering to left-wing millennials. Fuck me, I'm starting to think of liberal as an insult and despite all this, I still am one.
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>>673974972
>And I said I support Israel, not because I like them, but because the alternative is some gipsy monkey ignorant peasant Palestinians,

Do you plan on going to the middle East? If Israel wasn't displacing Palestinians perhaps less of them would be being sent to Europe, which is the only way you'll probably ever encounter them.
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>>673975025
Ive said above theres other ways to deal with it
ie creating safe spaces in their home nations or closer to their home nations.
Just because I agree we should help doesnt mean I agree with the method. The crime rates should be enough to show you that the cultures are not compatible.
There are better solutions, most of which come from backing a dictator and creating stability through military power
also this >>673975565
we cant be sure exactly who we are "saving" here, so doing it as close to their home as possible is ideal
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>>673975457
>>673975369
you wont advance the discussion with posts of this quality. please leave if you dont have any intelligible arguments to present.
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>>673973793
>identity politics
If it looks like a cuck and it quacks like a cuck...

>I'd like to stop this thing that naturally happens when large groups immigrate and generally sorts itself out over time when the group dissociates into society


>No they don't
Yes they do. Stop quoting Trump, we all know you're a /pol/fag still. And the nation does choose. But people should have the chance to present themselves to that nation and be judged, not just blatantly screened out because of some violent extremist scum.


>the middle east has fucked themselves throughout history
Oh I guess there was never an invasion of the Ottoman empire, and I guess the Cold War never happened.
It's not an appeal to inevitably you retard, it's the simple fact that you're part of a vocal minority and you're not going to change what nearly the entire world believes in. Give it up. You live in an alternate reality.

An appeal to inevitability is "gun violence is never going to stop, so we shouldn't promote gun control" not "You're a retard for thinking you're going to stop a natural part of society by making noise on /b/ on a Monday night"
>I'm wary
What a pretentious shit
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I WAS TERRIBLE AT KINDERGARTEN, BUT AT LEAST I LEARNED THAT WHEN THEY SAID SHARING IS CARING THEY WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT SMART BOMBS AND DEPLETED URANIUM BULLETS
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>>673958240
Holy shit I lost so hard to this
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>>673975888
there isnt any developed culture in the world that are not compatible with each other given time. people migrate by bulk since down of time. i dont see many cultural conflicts left in the world.
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>>673975369
I'm not really worried about terrorism. I would be happy if the TSA and Homeland Security were abolished tomorrow. I am just not in favor of unlimited or quota immigration.
It should be just like if you want to get accepted into Canada. You have to be educated, have a job waiting for you, etc. Like an H1B. I have a neighbor whose boyfriend is an electrical engineer from Australia. He's well educated, smart, follows the law, etc. His work visa is only good for 6 months at a time, and then it will be off for 6 months. He goes to Canada, works for 6 months, then comes back to be with his girl. There's something wrong when we can't wait to give amnesty to 11 million low-wage, uneducated illegals and take on as many Syrians as we can, when someone like him (who does everything legally and by the book) can't even stay in this country for more than 6 months at a time, despite his education and value to the economy.
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>>673975610
But that doesn't make any sense. What business do they have with mixing Germans with French, for instance, if their own purpose is to create their own state anyway? Why would they promote multiculturalism, but not participate.

I support multiculturalism and I think Israel and Palestine should be a single country.
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>>673975809
>EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS A BRAINDEAD SJW LIBERAL
>they have their own isolated societies
You mean like every immigrant group in history?
You mean like Blacks, Italians, Irish, and Asians all grouping together and forming their own tight societies with similar ideals and being generally violent finding themselves at odds with the their environment. It changes over time.
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>>673976141
>Underrated post
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>>673976265
OK, then can you explain it to me? I fail to understand it.
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>>673976678
fucking this.
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>>673976353
Sure. Given time thats true
but theyre not integrating because theres so many of them theres nothing to integrate to. They just move every man in their village at once.
If it was done on a smaller scale theyre integrate, if the first gen dont the 2nd gen normally do. The US is a prime example of how well it can be done.
The issue is its not "immigration" its "mass immigration" which stops integration.
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>>673976159
kek'd
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>>673964055
Let he who hasn't sinned throw the first stone.
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>>673976564
>I support multiculturalism and I think Israel and Palestine should be a single country.
Unfortunately, multiculturalism often requires multi-nationalism. I hear people all the time that want a single globalist government but very distinct, numerous cultures....it just doesn't work that way, at least after many years.
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>>673975809
Oh and
>Outbreed them at a fast rate
They're people not rabbits. You can fuck just as fast as they can.
>tenaciously maintain their religion
Again, that changes over time, especially with education. You see a lot of muslim-raised children in America grow up into normal moderate muslims/atheists.
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>>673975369
You are a very understanding person. I mean, why send a murderer to jail? I mean, he committed only ONE murder, and everybody deserves a chance.
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>>673975565
Link?
>>673975888
I've read many time that the crime rates haven't changed. Who says otherwise?
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>>673975888
>safe spaces
I know you didn't use that term for the same reason the SJWs did, and you sound practical, but be careful with that shit.

>>673975898
You know where we are, right? This board has no rules on post quality. Ignore them if you want, nobody's forcing you to even listen to anyone else.

>>673976141
>quoting Trump
Fucking what? Still sticking to the /pol/ thing, eh? Who the fuck is 'we'? In the recent past I've only been called a /pol/tard by you.
>And the nation does choose. But people should have the chance to present themselves to that nation and be judged, not just blatantly screened out because of some violent extremist scum.
The fuck are you on about? Who's doing this racist screening? If the nation has the right to choose then the individual does NOT. They may apply for entrance (visas) or to say (right to reside or eventually citizenship) but this is at the discretion of the state.

>It's not an appeal to inevitably you retard
Oh? This absolutely, one hundred percent was. I wonder if you can't keep track of things you say, being so cripplingly retarded.
>You're never going to stop immigration, so why even try?

>it's the simple fact that you're part of a vocal minority and you're not going to change what nearly the entire world believes in. Give it up. You live in an alternate reality.
I'm still holding out for evidence that my world is made up. Please, shatter my delusions, oh enlightened one!

I never said 'me saying this right now is going to change things'. I'm just, like you, partaking in discussion. Only I'm not frothing-at-the-mouth insane, I hope.

>pretentious
Maybe a little, but it's more to do with my education. I learned how to phrase things succinctly. I'm still wary of how stupid you are and how you will likely misunderstand everything I type, but I can only make my words so short.
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>>673977040
didnt worked out like that but okay. i guess christians doesnt bother to learn their heritage anymore.
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>>673955416
I haven't read the Qu'ran: the post
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>>673976924
>The US is a prime example of how well it can be done
Right, that's why we're seeing the worst culture war in the history of our country. I think we're about to see a reversion, a la Neal Stephenson, where we splinter back into tribes (claves, if you will) and tell globalization to fuck off.
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>>673977144
>especially with education
That'd be sweet if Muslims weren't fucking with, or providing their own, education across Europe.
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>>673977306
When's the last time a girl was stoned to death for not being a virgin you dimwit
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>>673976678
underrated post
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>>673977275
see >>673973371
if you want more Ill find some but Im fairly tired at this point

>>673977280
>I know you didn't use that term for the same reason the SJWs did, and you sound practical, but be careful with that shit.
Agreed, bad wording on my part but the point remains
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>>673977540
In the Middle East? Yesterday.
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>>673977144
>They're people not rabbits.
Do you know what a "K-strategist" is? If you don't then what the fuck are you talking about?
K-strategists are individuals, humans or animals, who have lots of children, and their strategy for reproduction is to spam the world with their offspring. Some live, some die, but ultimately, some will survive.

R-strategists only have very few kids, but they invest in them, to insure their survival.

The Muslims are K, and they come to a country where society treats every kid as an R. And that's why kids who would have died in the middle-east survive here. And you end up with more Muslims, and if you let Muslims in their own countries, some kids die and you end up with he same number.

So, please, stop trying to deny biological facts with some bullshit sociology and gender studies statistics about how hardcore Muslims' kids magically become atheists in a generation or two after reaching America.
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>>673977540
you tried to say it wouldnt happen because of the sinlessness limitation on the first cast, i said it definetly happened and the sinlessness rule was ignored. now you try to devalue my comment by asking how much time past after the last incident. either you dont understand the concept of "past" or you are just not reading even what you wrote.
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>>673977650
Norway mostly deported muslims that had commited crimes. Of course the crime rate is gonna decrease. That doesn't say anything about the crime rate overall.

In Germany for example the crime rate doesn't seem to have increased:
http://www.dw.com/en/report-refugees-have-not-increased-crime-rate-in-germany/a-18848890
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>>673978168
this post is so dumb all over i cant even start to mock it. you have the logic of a 5 year old, with a very limited but precise knowledge of basic biology. go ask any biologist why you are an idiot for that argument. they will have a good laugh and explain it to you just for charity
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>>673977280
>who's doing this racist screening?
>>673973793
>I'd like to prevent a large scale Muslim immigration
Apparently you, you fucking donkey.

>I'm still holding out for evidence
Your world is made up. I don't need to prove what's blatantly obvious. Muslims aren't about to take over Europe, and the majority that immigrate aren't violent extremists. Some are going to be, there's no question of that, it's the world we live in. Pretending that "preventing Muslim immigration" is a good method of preventing those attacks is outlandish. I know plenty of middle eastern immigrants that left that part of the world to escape that culture, it's not fair to screen them out. They're functioning members of society (generally very well educated) so they deserve the same chance to enter as an immigrant from any other part of the world.

>muh education
You learned how to make broad sweeping statements that you fail to back up with real evidence. You learned to skirt around real issues in such an "educated" way that you can't see how stupidly blind you are to the real world.
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>>673978168
>I misused a modern biological principle to fit my narrow views so I can justify my hatred for this group
Hello.
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i date a partially arab girl shes one of the most well adjusted anr friendly people i know.
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>>673959553
top kek had me dying
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>>673979229
Yes, yes. You liberals always disregard obvious facts with some bullshit make-believe wishful thinking superficial statistics.

By and large, Muslims are the worst, proven times and again, form the Palestinian who wants atheism punishable by death, to the president of Turkey who says women shouldn't laugh in public.

And then come liberals saying "But Muslims **CAN** be good people too!". They can. But they're not. And all of your anecdotal evidence amounts to you having some reasonable Muslim friends, which is very particular and subjective and accidental.
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>>673977479
And that STILL changes over time. Just slight exposure to European cultures makes the children more susceptible to assimilating. The problem comes when they feel discriminated against (right or wrong) and they begin to harbor a hatred for the outside. Just let them be and they'll change on their own.
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Really wish cameras had existed during the Crusades.
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>>673978827
http://www.wnd.com/2015/12/germany-covering-up-crimes-committed-by-migrants/
Theres been a lot of reports on that and although Im not sure how true it is it seems to fit Merkel's agenda.
It also seems to defy reason that, with events like Cologne, there hasnt been a noticeable effect on crime rate.
its why Id rather not look at Germany. The rape statistic from Oslo are pretty concrete, the same can be said in Sweden (although they do have a far broader definition for rape its still extremely high).
http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/175434/1-4-swedish-women-will-be-raped-sexual-assaults-daniel-greenfield
(Im aware the source is slightly bias but its pretty late and Im going to hit the hay for now)
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>>673980022
no argument to back your "scientific" bullshit? instead going for me thinking im a liberal?
naah bro, nobody cares what you say anymore after that "k-strategist" part.

also it wasnt president of turkey that said that. it was a member of the parliment. fyi
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>>673979262
>racist screening
Again, I did say large scale. Large scale immigrations of all types are tightly controlled by any state.

Factored into this decision that the state does is whether the people will be able to integrate into their society. Ideological incompatibility found on the end of the state does not make them racists; you can't be racist against someone's mind.

Racist donkeys that they are, they'll probably look for loyalty to the country and its secular ideals if those migrants apply for citizenship or for extended periods of residence. What pigs. What /pol/tard, Trump quoting pigs.

Again it strikes me as odd that, of the two of us, I'm the one not living in the real world. Do some research on applying for living status in various countries (with the end stage being either indefinite periods of stay or citizenship).

>>673979573
I have a bio degree and while Muslims are hardly K-strategists in the broader sense, they have been shown to bring their high fecundity to nations with much reduced mortality (esp infant) and therefore their populations swell dramatically.

The guy you're replying to does seem to have some misgivings about Muslim immigration but you're painting him to be a racist when he has shown no racial inclination. Don't be hysterical.
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>>673980675
>K-strategists
Hardly N-strategists**************, my bad.
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>>673980022
>implying he used any anecdotal evidence
>implying he quoted any statistics
>everyone who disagrees with me is a liberal
>using subjective wrong
You're holding Muslim countries to a higher standard than other countries. They're just now experiencing the edges of democracy, and they'll change over time and their leadership will reflect that, much in the same way that America did, and France did, and Germany did.

There is nothing more dangerously stupid than a retard who truly believes he's intelligent.
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>>673981090
>they're just now experiencing the edges of democracy
Oh, are they? Cases-in-point against this would be Egypt and Iran. By all accounts they're going to shit.

I don't care to defend who you're quoting; not my intention.
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>>673980589
Pffft, I don't even know how to talk to you, man.
I already gave you the facts. If you don't like them, that's fine. I too would like to believe there's nothing wrong with those people, and we can all hold hands and dance around the rainbow. But that takes work, not just wishful thinking.

Meanwhile, I am an Amerifag, and I look at how liberals have drove my people to follow Trump. I don't like Trump, but I think it's liberal's fault that he's so popular. People are sick of liberals.

You have yet to name me ONE Muslim country where it would be as suitable to live, where I had all the rights as an American.

And you have yet to name ONE advantage that Islam would bring to America. Just one, ONE! One is all I ask.
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>>673980675
>you can't be racist against someone's mind
You also can never be sure you understand someone's mind so how can you truly screen for it?
Oh yeah, you raise anti-"that region" sentiments until you can instill a ban on immigration from the entire region.
>applying for living status
Yeah immigration these days is really tough, especially on the lowerclasses
And long-stage immigration does take a long time for people who don't qualify (the uneducated and the lowest classes), but the kind of screening you're pushing for would block the upper classes as well.

Regardless, when you compare how long it would take for, say, a french person and a turkish person with the same education, criminal record, and wealth, it's inherently unfair to block one over the other.


>has shown no racial inclination
>>673980022
>muslims are the worst
Okay.
>inb4 muslim isn't a race despite everyone treating it's members the same way

>their populations swell dramatically
if that's true, when they dissociate into the society, the effects will be so diminished it won't even matter. Hardly an overtaking.
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>>673981090
>saying I use "subjective" wrong
No I'm not, and that's the problem with you people. If you say "Muslims are good", without providing any evidence, you are expressing your **personal opinion**. I could give a fuck if you think they're good or bad, when you have nothing.

>You're holding Muslim countries to a higher standard than other countries.
That may be, but it's still 2016. And they have no real reason for "just" experiencing democracy. Democracy was invented, established and fought for a long time ago. So, making them run a little faster to catch up is not so unreasonable.

Besides, I don't hate Arabs, I hate Islam. Islam is shit. Islam needs to go. And liberals say that it doesn't. Which is retarded.
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>>673955888
>without religion people would see you as a psycho if you hurt someone without a credible reason
there are people who consider religion a credible reason.
there are people who do not.
people are still the problem bro
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>>673981434
Both those countries have been destabilized over time, and they border countries with similar ideals so of course they're going to be that way. You could venture to say that the entire middle east was destabilized by the formation of Israel, and it'll take time for ideologies to recover.
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>>673982832
>you people
still implying
>STILL USING IT WRONG
Read this sentence out loud "Your stories about Muslims are subjective"

Do you realize how dumb that sounds now?
>they have no real reason
Again, how about the cold war, or the swaths of armies that have marched through those countries, or good old imperialism blocking ideas of independence with MACHINEGUNS, something that revolutionaries weren't previously worried about.
>Islam is shit
Everything is shit.
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>>673954220
Once you get past the ones that kill gays,dump acid in women's faces,kill non Muslim's,blow people up,rape,murder,want special treatment,turning Germany into a total shit hole,and kill people who draw pictures of their rapist,murdering,pedo prophet,then ya, theirs good Muslims
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>>673983920
>good old imperialism blocking ideas of independence
Yeah, yeah... "good old imperialism"... the good old excuse.
Have you ever heard of the Ottoman Empire? It had in it what is now Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Palestine, Saudi Arabia and Egypt, not to mention a few other smaller countries. It wasn't dissolved because of colonialism, idiot. It was dissolved because they lost WW1 and committed genocide. Those countries I speak of were NEVER EVER under colonial rule.

And the Muslims are disappointing now, as they were under Ottoman rule. The Ottoman Empire was the most powerful country in the world for a few good centuries. It did shit. It only burned books, instead of writing them. That's where the Muslims inherit their stupidity, not from imaginary colonists.

And compare the Muslim countries with countries that suffered from communism. How the fuck are those countries now OK, but Muslim countries still shit?

You're a loser.
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>>673985501
Yeah, and after the Ottoman empire broke down, imperialist nations took advantage of their inhabitants, like with the Suez canal.
>how are those countries okay?
Like what other countries? Like Cuba? Hardly a wonderful place to live. How about the Balkans? Real clean cut from communism there. How about Korea? Oh yeah, cold war hardly changed the place.

You're retarded. Stop posting.
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>>673955712
Faggot
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>>673986511
> How about the Balkans? Real clean cut from communism there.
I don't know what "real clean" means, but if you're comparing Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Poland and Hungary with bullshit countries like Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, then you're a retard. Those countries are in the European Union, while your wonderful Muslim countries are an export of refugees.
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Islam is a political and religious ideology, so it cannot be inherently peaceful, as all politics involves some degree of violence, if not simply economic domination. the religion has too much in it that advocates violence, which is written about as inviolate for all time. we dont need memes like this any longer, but like cockroaches and pigeons and rats, the most virulent and contagious memes multiply and spread, leaving benign ones in the dust. we need to create a memetic religion that is very peaceful, very addictive, very self replicating. none of the ones we have are powerful enough in all areas. science comes closest.
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>>673987083
I am. Because they're consistently bad countries to live in, especially Hungary and Romania. And the same refugees fled from the Balkans during the war in the Balkans, that's what I mean by "real clean cut".
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>>673987497
Dude, the worst ex-commie country is Ukraine, I think you'd agree. It recently had a war, and a few hundred people died. Gruesome shit.

Compare that with the shithole of Syria, where ISIS kills a few hundred people a month.

And then tell me how good Islam is.
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>>673978332
No I do understand. The Muslims are doing their torture still today. The Christians have stopped.
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