I have a question for Atheists. How can you believe with 100% certainty that there is no God when there is no proof that he does not exist? That doesn't seem like a very logical, open minded and scientific way to view the world. It seems more like your beliefs are being dictated by your emotions and not on facts.
>>673903690
>I have a question for theists. How can you believe with 100% certainty that there is God(s) when there is no proof that he does exist? That doesn't seem like a very logical, open minded and scientific way to view the world. It seems more like your beliefs are being dictated by your emotions and not on facts.
Look OP i can shit post too
sage
>>673903690
>>673904612
DON'T RESPOND TO THESE SHIT BAIT THREADS WITHOUT SAGE IN ALL FIELDS.
They've been going on 20 times a day for almost a fucking year. There are always newfags taking the bait and being sucked into the same bullshit argument that doesn't go anywhere. Fucking stop.
OP, ur a fag. sage
>>673903690
I have a question for Christians. How can you believe with 100% certainty that there is a God when there is no proof that he does exist? That doesn't seem like a very logical, realistic and scientific way to view the world. It seems more like your beliefs are being dictated by your emotions and not on facts.
Porco Dio
>>673904612
Shit, i'm late. Mine was better tho.
>>673903690
>how can you believe with 100% certainty
stopped reading there
>>673903690
The faggot doesnt know when surrender
>>673903690
WHO MADE GOD?!?!?!
>>673903690
>How can you believe
still unclear on the concept
>>673906233
proof to me that Chinese exits and i proof to you that god exists.
>>673906499
>Mine was better tho.
>Christians
assuming OP is christian
> God
implying people/all religions believe in one god.
doesnt sage
how is it bette again?
sage
im 100% sure the christian god doesnt exist.
>>673907393
how much money do you have? Buy an airplane ticket to china, physically interact with country and people there. Now prove god exists
sage
>>673907393
you can fly to china, you can't fly to god
>>673908098
how much money do you have? Buy an airplane ticket to the Vatican, physically interact with country and people there.
The people in china could be speaking Korean for all i know.
>>673908362
The people in the vatican could be speaking Buddhism or islam for all i know
Now prove god exists
sage
>>673908980
*could be practicing Buddhism or islam for all i know
>>673908980
So my proof isn't good enough, but yours is? Try again, and i will proof you that god exists.
>>673903690
I have a question for you.
Why did you rehash this stupid photo of the childlike empress, with the full knowledge she has nothing to do with atheism?
You fat, neckbearded, fedora wearing, basement dwelling, trap fapping shitstain.
>>673909077
No sane person denies the exostance of the country that is china, it exists
You said go to the vatican, that proves that the vatican exists not a god
so you are correct you proof is not good enough.
>>673909843
I'm not talking about china, i'm talking about the chinese language. my point is that there is no scientific way to proof that chinese exists.
you can show me people, who speak chinese, but i'll never now if it isn't another language. show me books about chinese, but i will never know if they are made up.
the only information i have is that there are people who claim that chinese exits, even though there is no real definition of what 'chinese' is.
My point is to illustrate, that not everything can, or has to be proven in order to be considered true.
>>673903690
>That doesn't seem like a very logical, open minded and scientific way to view the world. It seems more like your beliefs are being dictated by your emotions and not on facts.
>implying
well do you belive in vampires? i mean there is not 100% proof that they dont exsist
>>673910584
just becuase you will can not tell the difference between Japanese and Chinese does not make the language not exist. Again NO ONE questions the existence of the language that a majority of the world speaks.
People do question the existance of a god or gods....which brings me to the next point. Which god(s) is the "real" one? There has been so many over the course of human histroy, which is the right one? Yours? How convenient.
sage
>>673911385
Why do people question the existence of something a majority of the world worships?
There are many varieties of Chinese, Which Chinese is the 'real' one? There has been so many over the course of human history, which is the right one? Yours? How convenient.
nuff said
>>673903690
Is it okay if we acknowledge the existence of the Abrahamic God, but choose not to worship Him?
>>673911979
>Then whence cometh evil?
There is no light without shadow.
>>673912385
Atheists who take the bible literally are just as stupid as christian fundamentalists, who do the same.
>>673912325
>Why do people question the existence of something a majority of the world worships?
Religion is just book of stories to teach ethics and moral like not to rape and kill each other to an uneducated public through scare tactics. Anything beyond that the bible is pure bullshit with respect to modern explanations.
sage
>>673903690
Need I say more, Empress?
>>673913347
deism and christian fundamentalism is not the same. Nobody except idiots argue that anything of that is literally true.
disproving christianity is a strawman.
>>673913654
all religion is a form of social control
>>673910584
TRIGGER WARNING
For (NON SPECIFIC DEITIES) sake I hope this is bate
>>673913654
>Nobody except idiots argue that anything of that is literally true.
therefore god(s) can not be true
>>673913916
Again a strawman, religion and a believe in god are not the same thing. There are religions who don't believe in god. There are people who aren't part of a religion, but believe in a god.
>>673913963
nice argument
gr8 b8 m8, although:
the human genome has one gene pair less then all primates (46 instead of 48) If humans shared a common ancestor with primates then there should be evidence in the human genome, and sure enough there is.
The human genome has a fused pair of genes, which is essentially the mutation which has separated our ancestors from the other primates and allowed humans to evolve the way they did.
I cannot definitively say god did not create humans, but it seems unlikely that he would try to fool us in this way if he existed, by making us believe we "evolved from monkeys" while in fact that is not the case.
Anyhow, your move creationists
>>673914056
>The fallacy fallacy: Presuming that because a claim has been poorly argued, or a fallacy has been made, that the claim itself must be wrong.
>>673914321
> There are religions who don't believe in god.
they still have rules on how to act in public...like not to kill and rape
>There are people who aren't part of a religion, but believe in a god.
they act with accordance to what they think "gods" rules are in public...like not to kill and rape
still a form a social control
>>673914451
The catholic church and the pope himself, support the theory evolution. The person who made the theory was catholic.
>>673914722
kek, the burden of proof is on the one who makes the original claim. You claim god exists, prove it
>>673903690
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>>673903690
'cause I don't buy into a 500 year old ponzi scheme that plays into man's greatest fears and yet offers only excuses for why no substantive evidence is available to back up any of the claims including but not limited to
Life After Death
Vengeance against non-customers
Eternal Justice
Reward for following various Moral and Ethical Codes
Not only this, but I see not one, not two, but thousands of said ponzi schemes all across the world, with essentially the same claims, each that claims they are the correct ponzi scheme to waste time on and buy into.
You shmucks offer me nothing, and I will give you none of the time or funds that I know I have in order to bet on having additional time and rewards which are pretty clearly only in the hearts and minds of the sheep.
Hell. The only thing that I don't understand is how in the fuck the people on the top of these ponzi pyramids buy into this shit. I understand how some shmuck that lives in a trailer out in Mississippi gets brainwashed out of 10% of his income and about 1/7th of his lifetime, but how the bloody hell does the pope believe in this childish shit?
Fuck.
>>673903690
every day some shit fuck asks this shitty question..
even if there is someone who created so called"universe" then prayng to someone called god,jesus,hitler or satan doesnt help us because i am the god who can create my reality
so fuck you faggot, this is most pointless question ever
>>673914940
>they still have rules on how to act in public...like not to kill and rape
That's exactly what makes them a religion. I agree with your argument that religion is social control, but believing in god has nothing to do with it.
>they act with accordance to what they think "gods" rules are in public...like not to kill and rape
No, you can make theories about the nature of things and the reason for our existence, without implying there is some sort of 'good' and 'bad'.
>>673915207
I repeat what i said earlier, proof to me that the Chinese language exists and i proof to you that god exists.
Also: I'm not arguing, that there is definitely 100% a god, I'm saying that claiming there is one is just as stupid than claiming there is none. The default is neutral and both atheist and deists have the burden of proof.
Naruto dies at the end
HOLY SHIT THAT'S SOME COMPELLING BAIT. Too bad you're an actual idiot, and that's not bait.
>>673915891
NO BODY DENIES THE EXISTENCE OF THE CHINESE LANGUAGE, NOBODY.
PEOPLE DO DENY THE EXISTENCE OF GOD(S).
nice false equivalency
>>673915505
>No, you can make theories about the nature of things and the reason for our existence, without implying there is some sort of 'good' and 'bad'.
did you read what im replying too?
if people believe in a "god" they act in ways to please him for favor of its" judgement"
SOCIAL CONTROL
>>673916690
Ok, i give you that. How about this:
I made up a language called Dinese. Proof to me whether or not it exists.
>>673916963
burden of proof is on the person making the claim. You made the claim its real, not prove it
>>673916907
No they don't. I believe that there is something more than the physical world. Some entity or will that causes our existence. I don't believe this entity cares about whether or not i kill someone.
>>673917315
*now prove it
>>673917315
Define the word 'claim'.
The default position is agnosticism, the burden of proof is on everyone else.
>>673903690
>>673917581
your claim
>>673916963
>I made up a language called Dinese
>people still respond to these threads
>>673917581
>>673917315
Also, like i said before, burden of proof doesn't apply here. There are things that can't and don't have to be proven.
If there's no God, then how come this angel exists?
>>673917832
And isn't my claim enough to proof the statement? Dinese is just english, except the word 'hello' is replaced with 'asdf'. It's a language, there is your proof.
Why is claiming that god exists not enogh to proof his existence?
>>673918043
Things for which there is no evidence of, need not be believed. That is the burden of proof. You have no evidence, therefore your claim is negligible.
Bungholes
>>673918577
I have no evidence that Chinese exists, yet, you claim that it does.
>>673918542
You have just created the language and demonstrated its existence. You have proven it, but when you said, "I made a language called Dinese" you did not prove it. Prove God by demonstrating his existence.
>>673918542
>Why is claiming that god exists not enogh to proof his existence?
see picture
Just google zakir naik in utube. he did make logic sense bout islam.
>>673918718
There are people who speak multiple languages. There are people who speak mandarin and Korean and they say Chinese is different. That is evidence. Strong evidence which you cannot refute. That is how I know that Chinese exists.
>>673918849
Why are all the symbols around the "Ignore contradicting evidence" box?
>>673919490
Religious symbols.
>>673918787
What if i said 'There is a language that is called Dinese', not that i made it up? Did it exist before i defined it, because i made it up after my first post.
>>673919031
Again, my only evidence is the word of others. Do you see how 'god exists' is exactly the same. I can't physically measure Chinese, i can't describe it with math, i can only believe what others tell me.
Granted, the fact that Chinese exists, is more probable than the fact that god exists, but i don't need scientific proof to believe either of those facts.
>>673918918
>watching sandpeople videos
>>673919573
yes, and why are they around that box in particular?
>>673919726
because that is what they do...see evolution vs creationism
just search a video bout does god exist?
>>673903690
>antitheist =/= atheist =/= theist
Your question is actually a good one when you realize that you are talking about gnostic antitheists.
Gnostic antitheists take the position of the claim "I am 100% certain that there is no God", which is a ridiculous thing to claim.
unfortunately most people on this board who are agnostic atheists will respond to this nonsense question.
Agnostic atheists make the claim "I don't know if there is a God or not, but I don't believe in one right now"
lrn2 your shit
>>673920288
This is probably the best answer in this thread. We really need to use more appropriate language.
>>673919694
When you described the language, it thus proved the language to exist, as a fake language is still a language. It has nothing to do with whether or not you made it up. If, however you claim that it existed before you explained it, you would then have to prove that.
The point is, you could go out and learn every language on the planet if you wanted to and you would discover that Chinese is different. You can't go out and find God. It is true that you can't know for sure, but you can't know anything for sure. Your senses could be lying to you for all you know. It's a pointless argument and you need to learn to assess probability.
>>673920128
It's not like atheists don't ignore evidence too. The evidence in the Bible for instance.
>>673913427
is...is this CP? MODS MODS
Welcome to the cancer that is killing /b/
gr8 b8 m8, although:
the human genome has one gene pair less then all primates (46 instead of 48) If humans shared a common ancestor with primates then there should be evidence in the human genome, and sure enough there is.
The human genome has a fused pair of genes, which is essentially the mutation which has separated our ancestors from the other primates and allowed humans to evolve the way they did.
I cannot definitively say god did not create humans, but it seems unlikely that he would try to fool us in this way if he existed, by making us believe we "evolved from monkeys" while in fact that is not the case.
Anyhow, your move creationists
>>673921337
>gr8 b8
>takes b8
>your move
>>673920641
kek, that "evidence" is not supported by anything other than faith and is not testable....unlike science
>>673920638
I agree with most of what you are saying, except that i still believe that there are claims, where it doesn't make sense to apply the 'burden of proof' argument.
There is no proof, and there never will be, maybe the language is called Ehinese and i lied to you all along? Or did the lie became truth, once i mentioned it?
How do you know that you can't find God? I haven't found anything, but i have to believe, and want to believe that i could one day.
>>673921581
and science is supported by?
>>673921889
Empiricism
>>673921889
the scientific method, aka a system that welcomes change
see here if you are unfamiliar with the scientific method>>673918849
>>673903690
kill yourself and there will be no athists anymore
>>673903690
i used to have sex with god.
she'd come over sometimes while her boyfriend was away after school.
once the door would close she'd almost instantly get naked. most times she'd put on her favorite song and start sucking. then she would cry. her tears and makeup would drip down her face onto my dick. its surprising how cold tears are. eventually i finally asked her what was wrong. in between licks she told me that her favorite song was also her bfs favorite song. so even though she loved hearing it and it totally got her pussy wet, it also made her think about the fact that she was cheating on her boyfriend. i dont think i ever came harder down somebodies throat then right after she told me that. she was beautiful. we dont hang out anymore. wanna get lunch?
this was the song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYyZJCD49U4
>>673922236
The picture is just retarded. We are arguing about philosophy. Philosophy is a field where there are no yes/no answers, where nothing can be proven. Philosophy tries to discuses issues that science can't, because science can't discuss everything. Science tries to answer 'How', philosophy tries to answer 'Why'.
>>673922236
Acoording to whom?
>>673922091
Well religion welcomes change too. So that doesn't give the SM an advantage How many witches have been burned a t the stake recently?
>>673924060
>religion welcomes change too
Yeah, when they realize they were wrong and everyone starts to notice, that's when they "welcome" change, like the theory of evolution.
>>673923397
>Science tries to answer 'How', philosophy tries to answer 'Why'
clearly you never done any scientific research
>>673924060
>acooding to whom?
see the cool thing about science it doesnt matter who says it because the experiments are published so that YOU can test it and find out for yourself. And if you find out it doesnt work or something new, publish it! Then others will do the same process you did
>>673924440
So they only accept change when they think they're wrong? The bastards! Thank goodness those brave scientists are willing to accept changes they don't believe in for us.
>>673924964
Lol, that's not what I said and you know it but gr8 b8 i r8 0/8
>>673921888
Nothing can be proven 100%. Absolutely nothing. You must see evidence and take it into consideration when evaluating hypotheses instead of claiming that every claim has equal weight. You don't have to prove God, because you can't. You just have to have some evidence, and you don't.
>>673925201
Somehow religious debaters seem to be of the opinion that the burden of proof is on non-believers.
>>673924865
>I have access to the resources required to prove evolution. or the big bang or even that the earth is round.
>>673925176
You were saying that religious are stupid for not accepting evolution when there's still some doubt about it and they don't believe it
>>673925201
>>673925751
>It was all the other scientists jobs to prove the sun orbits the earth and not Copernicus's job to prove the earth orbits the sun
>>673926220
No, it was everyone's job to find some evidence and Copernicus found some. That's how we know that the Earth orbits the sun.
>>673924865
>>673925201
But i'm not arguing from a theist perspective. I don't claim that there is a god, i just claim that there could be, and that believing in one is not stupid. I'm just very annoyed with the argument 'there is no evidence that god exists' therefor he doesn't and everyone who says otherwise is retarded.
>>673924865
That's just linguistics, you know what i mean, or your just stupid. There is no conflict between science and something like Christianity. If you explain the big bang to a reasonable christian, his answer will be 'Oh, that's how god did it.'
>>673926568
Then it's nobody's job to prove God doesn't exist until someone finds evidence to prove that he doesn't. That's how we'll know God doesn't exist
>>673926671
It's not, "there's no evidence for God, therefore he doesn't exist" it's, "there's no evidence for God, therefore he almost definitely doesn't exist".
>>673926220
>I have access to the resources required to prove evolution. or the big bang or even that the earth is round.
>evolution
you can buy agarose, petri dishes, pressure cookers, anitboditics and e. coli strains to do you own testing of how environmental pressures can cause evolution
>earth is round
but weather balloon, digital camera, helium or hydrogen gas. People can easily put a camera high enough to see the curvature of earth
>big bang
true you prob can not do this with an average persons budget but you probably can access the data being collected from CERN. So id say if you really wanted to know you could
>>673903690
What is with it with that girl being the poster boy for these posts
>>673926671
>That's just linguistics, you know what i mean, or your just stupid. There is no conflict between science and something like Christianity. If you explain the big bang to a reasonable christian, his answer will be 'Oh, that's how god did it.'
there is conflict when christian claim god put fossils on earth to test your faith or that evolution is not real and creationsim (A religous idea) should be taught in science class in public school were the separation of church and state is supposed to be up held
>>673926901
Yeah, then we would know for sure. For now, we're just almost sure.
>>673927114
>petri dish
As if I'd see two bacteria merge or or any significant changes
>Baloon
How do I know the earth isn't just Convex?
>>673927046
If there's no evidence to prove the earth moves around the sun then the sun moves around the earth because that's how it looks and it's what everyone has previously agreed upon
>>673927046
i don't think you can apply probability to the question. Stochastic is a concept invented by humans to predict events within this universe, not to apply it to the existence of the universe itself. God might exist, or doesn't, there is no other way to describe it.
>>673927927
Speak for yourself. Way more people are sure in God than are "almost sure" in what a few boffins think.
>>673928097
There is no reason to believe in any God or Gods specifically. People who simply believe in their own God, I do not object to that much. However it is stupid to believe in Allah, Yahweh or Budda because there is no evidence to support their existence.
>>673928313
I meant "we" as in agnostic atheists, not people in general.
