what is consciousness?
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what is consciousness?
>>673789515
You are the only conscious entity in all the universe, everything else is a construct of your imagination, so only you can answer that question.
>>673789515
just general outward awareness that stops when you die/sleep
>>673789515
{ˈkän(t)SHəsnəs}
NOUN:
1.the state of being awake and aware of one's surroundings
>>673789515
Stardust seeming to experience itself and its environment through a vast multitude of separate and distinct entities over the course of what humans refer to as time.
>>673789515
Awareness. All the other stuff is a by product of awareness
The real deal
>>673790671
>Stardust seeming to experience itself and its environment through a vast multitude of separate and distinct entities over the course of what humans refer to as time.
Don't fall for this flowery shit. You could just as easily say "stardust eating and then shitting itself" over the course of what humans refer to as time.
Life isn't magic.
>>673789927
Isn't that true of all beings then? Works sort of like a kaleidoscope mirror.
>>673790876
>Awareness
Limited physical awareness that stops when you die/sleep.
>>673791022
>Life isn't magic.
This was never implied you cynical fuck. Go chase some buses.
>>673789515
>bullshit
>and a complete waste of time
consciousness is spirit. spirit is everything. its in every physical piece that exists in this reality.
spirit is everything. spirit is god. we are god.
>>673791507
lol
>>673791304
See? Gotta guard against this kind of shit.>>673791507
>>673791208
>>673789927
>>673789515
Please, let's discuss.
>>673791706
being ignorant is funny? enjoy yourself, i guess.
I believe you are referring to sentience. Few animals have that. Apes, elephants, whales, and some birds. Everything else is only as aware as much as it takes to survive. They don't contemplate the universe and their place in it.
Sentience is the product of a mind capable of a higher reasoning ability using that ability to explain it's own existence to itself.
>>673789515
It's this
Wouldn't consciousness just be self awareness? I think the real question is, what is perception, and how does what we perceive to be true establish who, and what we are.
>>673791706
Everything said in >>673790671 is technically correct.
>>673789515
The ability to shitpost on 4chan
>>673792040
>>673792212
So is everything here>>673791022
A correct answer is necessarily indisputable.
>>673791022
Both of those things are true though you fucking retard.
>>673791208
Yes.
>>673791507
While I don't disagree with that use of the word spirit, I do disagree with that use of the word god. You're just asking to be misunderstood, and misunderstood by EVERYONE.
>> /lit/
>>673792774
>Both of those things are true though you fucking retard.
and so is this >>673791022
>Don't fall for this flowery shit. You could just as easily say "stardust eating and then shitting itself" over the course of what humans refer to as time.
>Life isn't magic.
>>673792514
Technically, yes. However, "stardust eating and then shitting itself" is now unrelated to OP's question and is meaningless. You're arguing with yourself now.
>>673790671 is still technically correct in relation to OPs question.
>>673789515
Excellent question, and one that scientists avoid because of all the crackpot nonsense about it. It needs to be precisely defined and studied before any real knowledge about it will emerge.
>>673792996
>meaningless
it means as much as anything else
>>673792996 is still a retarded fedora-tipping way to describe conscousness
>>673793228
huh? here's the answers right here:
>>673790173
>>673790183
>>673793369
>it means as much as anything else
>>>673792996 (You) is still a retarded fedora-tipping way to describe conscousness
Irrelevant and btfo.
Go back to chasing buses you sperg.
If you're willing to talk, I'd love to dive into some stuff. You're not the only one. I've seen it, too. You know exactly what I'm talking about, and you're not alone. Let's talk.
You already know that decisions to take certain actions can lead you, seemingly un-or-sub-consciously, to increasingly unavoidable conclusions. Doing drugs, to name one. But you might have already figured out that it's more than that. Most of the time you're stuck wondering what conclusion it is you're coming to. But at the same time you know you're closer than you ever have been before.
You're not the only one who hears the music or sees the light. You know EXACTLY what I'm talking about. What better place than here? This place practically fucking raised you.
>>673794042
lol here comes the bullshit
>>673795240
It's just like when people tell you you're not dreaming in a dream, man. Can't you see that? Please, talk to me.
>>673793740
>he's not a materialist
The OP's question has been answered. There is no point expanding the conversation further on a delinquent image board, it would only lead to misinformation, hippy bullshit and advocacy of mind altering drugs (probably not a bad thing).
>>673795435
esoteric mysticism is meaningless drivel
someone read one of the gitas or worse yet, a new age self-help book and think they know anything
>>673795817
So where can/should the conversation be expanded?
>>673795240
You're some sort of sage, the first reply was exactly as you predicted.
>>673796013
insane asylum or maybe a hippy commune
>>673796013
Find a philosophy discussion forum and dive into the rabbit hole.
>>673789515
It's this thing of mine that you are all living in.
>>673795932
You have to love them. All of them. And you know that. You cry like a bitch sometimes when you're all alone because you just wish they could see it.
>>673796276
>rabbit's asshole
or ya know, do something useful instead
>>673796358
>You have to love them. All of them. And you know that. You cry like a bitch sometimes when you're all alone because you just wish they could see it.
>>673796419
I agree, but he asked the question and who am I to deny a fag his dream?
>>673789515
A group of sensory organs relaying sensory information to a central hub, pertaining explicitly to (at the moment) life forms that are not dead. being able to react to external stimuli.
once we figure out how to breathe consciousness and self awareness / self-preservation and etc into AI, robots will also be able to replicate this.
>>673789515
Consciousness sleeps in the mineral, wakes in the animal and lives and expresses itself through human beings.
>>673796800
kill yourself, violently
>>673796419
So... What would that be?
consciousness is what eternity looks like when viewed through a mind
>>673796800
expresses itself through all forms of life homie. elephants can paint too.
The Rig-Veda admits it knows nothing. Ah but you fags have it figured out.
>6 Who verily knows and who can here declare it, whence it was born and whence comes this creation?
>The Gods are later than this world's production. Who knows then whence it first came into being?
>7 He, the first origin of this creation, whether he formed it all or did not form it,
>Whose eye controls this world in highest heaven, he verily knows it, or perhaps he knows not.
>>673789515
this is the answer
http://www.streamboobs.com/high_for_this/
>>673796947
lol
>>673796800
lol
Consciousness is just a manifestation of your neuropathways. That's it.
>>673796800
bet this bullshit sounded so wise in your addled brain
>>673789927
The understanding that Tom Sellock will descend upon us on steed with sword in hand, ready to vanquish the non-believers with his divine powers come judgement day.
What better place than among the bullshit that is /b/? It's the closest place you've probably found to seeing what's really on the inside of people. A place where no one is afraid to reveal their own cluelessness, ignorance, hatred, love, sexuality, jealousy, fucking everything. Makes a little too much sense, doesn't it?
>>673797007
preaching hippy faggot, there's plenty of room left in your mouth, fill it with more dicks
>>673797175
this
anything else is someone trying to bullshit you
Remember, you won't find what you're not looking for.
Consciousness is infinite. The universe is something we made up.
>>673797175
Well that explains it
Case closed!
>>673797602
lol
You know it's important or it wouldn't make you feel That Way. You'd have never gotten The Idea.
>>673797175
the mcdonalds guide to everything man, flip me another burger bro
smoke dmt
>>673789515
Wrong question, son. 'Consciousness' is a linguistic term. You should be asking what people mean, when they say something like 'I am aware of something'.
In this way consciousness is just what you measure, when trying to measure it
>>673798173
hes right
life isnt magic
Consciousness is a natural part of the mathematics of the universe. Observation of matter affects the matter being observed. Without an observer there is no reality.
That's all I know, good luck!
>>673790671
This one is my favorite
>>673798493
we are all starbros maaaaan!
>>673798287
He's right but his explanation doesn't answer the question so who cares
It's like saying cars work because of physics. Yes, they do, and we still don't know how cars work.
The ability to wonder "why?"
>>673789515
I wish I knew
>>673789515
>what is consciousness?
>>673790173
>just general outward awareness that stops when you die/sleep
/thread
Lol why are you looking for the answer here? You really think this is where you'll find it?
>>673799011
dubs confirms
nothing left to do but wait it out in dim, dusty cafes
>>673789515
Consciousness is to be aware of the feeling of sublime, and to be one with the universe mentally connected
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvzG_p_sdOQ
>>673789515
No one knows.
>>673798661
except he's not right, neural pathways are carriers of information, the mere circuitry in a far more complicated organ, but yeah it sounds cool so we can all just agree with him and suck more dick
>>673799229
Not op, I've been puzzling over this for years, and it got worse when I took advance AI classes in university. I've read a lot of academia on the subject and the truth is, no one really knows. The answers given by science are just as bullshit as the answers given by religion. So, good a place as any!
>>673799559
>to be one with the universe
you gullible butt biscuit
>>673799603
missing the point
>>673799636
you didn't study anything beyond backyard beer-can shooting and how to bake a potato, welcome to /b you redneck scrotum stretcher
>>673800313
>>673799934
faux as fuck, you pseudo spunk magnets make terrible philosophers
This wasn't as fruitful as I'd hoped. Lol. But, remember you're not alone. And I think our evil plan is working.
>>673801204
hail satan
>>673799559
>>673799897
>we technically are physically apart of the universe down to the atom. Finding you're place in the universe is like placing your own puzzle piece in this giant puzzle we call the universe. That's what I mean when I say
>to be one with the universe
>>673800689
Some people get really upset when they don't know the answer to a question I guess. What's that like for you?
so here's my question: I basically ascribe to the idea that consciousness is the integration of neuronal sensory input pathways that give rise to some form of self.
However, where exactly does consciousness exist? because it isn't exactly physical. Yes I understand how hearing, vision etc work but the subjective experience of that exists in some sort of of semi-physical realm. Same goes for the experience of thoughts. Try and pin down exactly where a thought exists. You can't quite do it, you can see that it rises from the the neural pathways in your brain but the subjective experience of thoughts are in a different realm all together.
I dunno i think about this alot.
>>673801633
Personally, it makes me wonder if it's not the answer we need to pursue.
>>673801583
were just jack-off monkey men
I don't know. But I often have moments when I wonder what and why I am. It scares me sometimes when it happens and I usually have to go lay down. Its like a day terror for me.
I'm always intrigued by how people respond to questions like this. Seems like:
a. down to earth non-explanation
b. pseudo-spiritual mumbo jumbo
c. enraged that anyone asked the question
d. statement about how it doesn't matter anyway
>>673801833
I think about it almost every second of every day. It's one of the only things left that makes me feel happy. Thinking about what and why this is and how it might work makes me feel like I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing.
>>673801833
where do memory, hunger and the need to shit reside within us? when i think about Popeye, is he inside me? you're overthinking it
>>673801972
lol fuck are you me?
I feel like people spend so much time trying to figure out who they are essentially in vain because you can't know that unless you know what you are.
>>673802296
Let me explain to you the nature of the universe... Time is an illusion and all of eternity is happing right now. There is only one moment and it's eternal. A lot of people think that having a conscience means being an observer but it is actually more complex than that. We can't understand the entirety of the universe, just as a single or group of cells can't understand how the enitire system of our body and minds work.
>>673802390
that's exactly what i'm saying though. the subjective experience of memory, hunger etc exists in an abstract area that is based and needs physicality but is projected from it
>>673801954
I believe their is an infinite amount of possibility we just so happen to be
>jack-off monkey men
but the fact that we evolve from an ape to man shows we are become more conscious of the universe
>>673801972
watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvzG_p_sdOQ
>>673802635
>needs physicality
the brain? what's so hard to understand
>>673801972
It's interesting that it's scary, isn't it? What is there to fear?
>>673802900
>but the fact that we evolve from an ape to man shows we are become more conscious of the universe
we still know nothing
we've just gotten better at making up, and believing, bullshit
>>673802458
>Time is an illusion and all of eternity is happing right now
this, but kind of
time exists, in the sense that it is the relationship between matter, space and movement and that in order to experience that there needs to be an observer.
However, if you remove the observer, there is just eternity, moving constant eternity. memory is funny because although like all matter it only exists in the present the brain gives the ability to reflect on past events (ie the location, movement etc of matter) How accurate that memory is may be up for debate.
>>673801972
Don't worry my son. This too will pass. One day, you will die.
>>673802916
is a thought quantifiable? can a thought be measured like the temperature?
what i'm saying is that something that is readily quantifiable and observable (ie neurons) gives rise to something that is more abstract
So, we know some level of complexity is required for consciousness. Lump of coal isn't conscious, humans are. But it seems like animals are conscious too, so complexity of a human isn't required. Other much simpler animals like rodents, birds, etc seem to be able to experience pain, pleasure, etc.
And we know that complexity alone isn't enough. Our computers have more memory than we do and more raw processing power than our brains have, and they can "experience" a lot more information than we can. But yet they don't appear to have any care one way or another about their "experience", they are just circuits banging electrical pulses around.
There's some physical mechanism in there we haven't figured out. It's not magic. It's science like anything else that exists in reality. We just have to find that mechanism, figure out how to isolate it, build it, study it, examine it.
Until we do that, we're just guessing.
>>673803645
Well, that's the philosophy. A computer is basically an artificial brain and our brain are biological computers. The two can merge and become neohuman. A computer doesn't have free will, you have to tell it what to do. Quantum mechanics in a way are a fundamental law that defines free will.
Looking for consciousness in the mind is like looking for the washing-ness of a washing machine. We won't find it, its a process, not a thing.
>>673802900
Thanks anon, is it ironic that when I encounter the sublime, I feel superior to others?
>>673804525
I like this, but it's not a perfect metaphor.
>>673802978
Being on the verge of understanding true chaos.
>>673805216
No you should feel superior, we aren't equals. A whole lot of the human population never leaves the shallow end of the pool.
>>673803518
Ya thoughts produce electrical energy that can be mapped in the brain.
>>673805816
So what happens once you gain this understanding? Do you die? Do you become a god?
>>673801972
Pretty sure this happens to everyone.
Like out of the bliss of life you just stop and realize what the fuck am I, and why? Everything looks so unfamiliar, even your own hands. Its like you never really existed and this is the time when you are fully conscious. Then it all goes back to normal, regular life.
>>673806383
but what trigger that thought to begin producing electric energy? mementos usually work. external stimuli, smells, pictures, soudns Ive heard your thoughts are just echoes of previous experiences
>>673806847
So what, then, is normal regular life? Downtime between full consciousness?
>>673806435
you become the god of the mental institution
>>673806435
Therein lies the unknown and the sublime.
>>673807616
Right now I guess, when you can recognize regular life and everything is just as it was yesterday. Kind of mindless thought, things that never really mattered in the first place.
>>673807769
Is it a waste of time to pursue? Is it the only thing worthwhile to pursue?
Anyone here REALLY get to have fucking a lucid dream? because i cant dont matter how much i try
>>673806847
Not sure if it happens to everyone, but I agree that it is a passing moment of clarity. Funny, when I describe it to others in person I'll hold my hands in front of my face.
>>673789515
A quadrant in space
Sorry mate, it's just a biological collection of memory coding, illusive free will, and sensory input. It doesn't mean much. It will die along with your body. However, if there are any odds of it being revived, no matter how stellar they may be, it is guarenteed to happen, as time and space are infinite.
I'd ask the question more along the lines of, what is the Thetan?
>>673808914
ohboy. Scientology?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thetan
>>673808737
Yeah, man. It's real.
>>673808858
I think its because the consciousness is there to provide for the body. when your consciousness has fulfilled the bodies needs it has lost its purpose and starts to wonder what is next thats when modern people goes looking for porn its an easy fix
>>673808443
Might sound glib but, probably a little of both. If you are comfortable in life then I wouldn't say its a waste of your time. But, if you are struggling, I'd say devote your time to more productive subjects.
>>673796800
>>673805216
anon here
no it's not ironic it's just a boast of self confidence is how you cope with it, thus you feel superior. Other people react differently it comes natural
>>673809369
teach me :(
>>673809670
*not a waste of your time
>>673808737
I had one once and it was pretty awesome, I'd like to try it again.
>>673809369
It's just like anything else. Read about it. Keep track of your dreams. Set goals. You'll notice patterns and signs. It's a lot more interesting than just dream-fucking your 13 year old cousin, too. Which is pretty fucking cool might I add.
>>673809873
Not the person you replied to but /x/ usually has some info if you can wade through the b.s.
>>673809141
No, not that Thetan.
Looks like we have a newfag to philosophy.
>>673808737
It takes years of practice. I've had a few. I'm 45 and started practicing when I was 17. The key is IRL every time something happens that seems weird in any way question if you are dreaming. This can carry over to dreams. It is still rare that I have one. But when I do the first thing I do is fly.
>>673809670
I'm just worried I won't feel happy or whole again until I answer some of the questions I've found myself asking. Because what if they are.. Unanswerable? Am I just destined to feel unfulfilled until I die?
>>673810360
Oh fuck you, faggot. You've contributed nothing to this conversation.
>>673809873
here's info on it
http://imgur.com/gallery/4KHaw
Consciousness? It's Passion and Intensity, a fusion of what we call life, and the chemicals that make up our emotions. It isn't just "Being", anything can "Be", but can you really say they're in control? It isn't the voice inside your head, that is part of it. It isn't something as insipid as love, anon. It is Passion and Intensity, a fusion that catapults us towards death, and the mystique we adore with those who share our "lives". It is our sense of wonder and our natural drive to do. Awareness? Would you call a cockroach concussions? No, but why? it is aware, but it isn't aware of it's own existence, just of Run, Hide, Eat, Shit, Repeat.
Passion and Intensity
>>673810645
what are you're questions ill try to answer some
>>673811032
Why can't I explain the ideas I have in my head? Is it because they're just.. Wrong?
>>673809478
Kek
>>673811709
trying giving me a picture of the idea you have in you're head, understanding what exactly it is will identify if it is right or wrong
>>673812071
That's precisely the problem. It's more of a feeling than an idea. But it's a fleeting feeling that is usually just out of my reach. It's what sparks existential thoughts and such. I've wondered if maybe I'm just depressed looking for happiness again.
>>673812683
But at the same time it's such an intense feeling that it's impossible to ignore it's importance.
>>673810556
This. Had an IRL experience today. 3 sheeboons with noblest everywhere in my local grocery store. I live in an affluent suburb.
>>673812794
Fuck, ya know maybe I even offed myself with those pills and this is just me explaining it to myself.
>>673812683
depression does take a toll on an individual I to have been in a depression slump. It's best to seek professional to help you, so you can talk to someone more privately about you're feelings that are starting to fade. I have and it's a relief letting someone understand and guide you on a better path that you seek which is happiness.
>>673795223
What are you talking about
>>673813575
You're not listening
Everyone look into a mirror for 2 minutes straight. Consciousness is you/that spark that feels uncomfortable watching itself thru that reflection and begins asking questions after 5 minutes
>>673814076
It's real though to explain
>>673791507
Go back to mlp satans little autist. Youd be right by not saying we are god, we are made by God, arent god
>>673814881
I'm an egomaniac.. I do that twice a day anyway.
>>673815509
Found the Jesus fag.
>>673791507
beautifully said anon. i usually say energy instead of spirit.
>>673792774
i used different wording too, but am glad someone else knows it and can explain it quite simple. all knowledge on this earth is flawed. we gotta work together to fully understand everything, but we humans werent made that way
>>673793228
so they basically find a reason to completely avoid finding the answer. are they expecting to find a formula or pattern as to how consciousness works? shouldn't philosophers tackle it?
>>673789515
very lonesome.
God trying to exist.
>>673818121
Expand upon this idea, if you would.
Something that wants to butt fuck a girl all night.
>>673818121
nice. i think its God wanting to better know Himself.
>>673818351
this
consciousness is a thing
that doesnt deserve
so much fuckking replies
SAGE AND HIDE
>>673789927
/thread
>>673818351
We are the only model for consciousness we have, so that is our definition of consciousness, what we experience. We then look at our aims, and the first one is to survive as long as possible. We want to have power. We want to have love. Our vision of God is basically that: immortal, powerful, loved. Our consciousness is striving to be like God, our imagined vision of consciousness perfected. If we don't go extinct, we might get there.
>>673818893
technically. the term man created for something they didnt fully understand is just a thing. we cant fully comprehend consciousness because it is not a physical thing. its more spiritual. astral projection type of stuff i guess. it deserves these and so much more replies.
>>673818874
I could agree to this with certain definitions of God, but I don't think I agree that God exists under most people's definitions of God.
>>673819816
infinite creator then. i read this in some resurrection article. when infinite wisdom clashed with infinite potential it created and infinite creator. sounds fucking weird, but it makes sense to me. god is a title not the name. Jehova isnt correct either.
we are nothing
>>673789515
>>673806383
dude get your ass off your head, its called the hard problem of consciousness, try to read sth about it on wiki
>>673819478
I sometimes feel as though all of existence itself is "God" trying to manifest itself somehow. And consciousness is it's tool.
The LORD here, fuck off and suck my dick, or whatever.
>>673821531
Yes, almighty one.
>>673815509
what religion do you follow? it could also be said like the holy trinity. the way anon put it, we are part of the trinity. i like to think i am part of God. not better of course. we are all connected somehow. maybe because we are all created from the same source.
>>673797391
>Tom Sellock
>Sellock
>>673820989
and everything
>>673804464
>2015
>believing in free will
Dude all of our actions are conditioned to a priori context that shapes our behavior. Even if there is some randomness behind our choices, they are not something we control.
We all understand the significance of what we're discussing, right? No matter what your opinion is.
Your going to make my head explode. More pussy less questions.
>>673823042
I don't see why we can't have both existential discussions and pussy.
>>673792177
>Stardust seeming to experience itself and its environment through a vast multitude of separate and distinct entities over the course of what humans refer to as time.
>>673803645
this is awesome. thank you anon. animals are conscious but only of the moment right? more as a survival mechanism. humans are aware of past, future, hypothetical, unbelievable and absolute. i could be horribly wrong of course. you seem like the one to ask.
rodents experiencing pain and pleasure is not necessarily consciousness. thats chemicals releasing and attaching to the right place for the right action/effect. like a computer.
computers is science. theres no spirit or soul. i agree its not magic, but its not a physical mechanism. i dont think we will ever find the mechanism if thats the reason for it. humans are contaminate everything. we'll abuse it. i rather find the answer to consciousness then be filthy rich though
>>673823273
Facebook Teenz
>>673792148
only humans have it
>>673789515
Holy French flying fuck, batman. We seem to be interested in existence today.
>>673823042
>>673823273
>>673823941
cant do both anons. to understand the laws of the universe you have to let go the pleasures of the earth
>>673824629
I don't think it's meant to be that lonely..
>>673789927
Does this become null if OP posted this reply?
>>673824812
i dont mean you should hide in a cave and never see anybody. im sure that way will never work. i mean it more in the sense of discipline. get all the pussy you want, but theres a time and place. focus on something completely or else you never really get anything accomplished
>>673789515
You know that feeling you get when you're not dead?
Its that.
>>673825749
kek. you arent wrong.
>>673791208
There are no other beings, for you are god.
to liken it to programming, i think animals are capable of conditional functions, but humans have access to recursive methods.
>>673789515
What is love? Baby don't hurt me
>>673792223
>>673789515
Buy a bottle of JD and drink the whole thing.
That time before you drank it, that is consiousness
>>673827598
Actually one of the more elegant definitions.
>>673789515
All that is. Consciousness is the proof to an equation that covers the entirety of the universe and changes based on the input value time. All consciousness across all timelines is experienced subjectively but it is nonetheless the same universe entity.
What is consciousness to the observer? It is all around you. It is all that you are or ever will be. An unbroken experience- death is not an experience one can have, nor is the time before life. There is only ever the self. Everything that self perceives exists entirely in the mind as it manifests itself into a three-dimensional rendering around you. People assume that this is the outside world but every part of it is inside the mind. If we could step outside our minds and see the world the way it really was we would be horrified.
Look into DMT. Can answer alot of questions.
>>673828718
been wanting try it, but no one can find a connect here. still keeping hope though. how many times have you done it?
>>673828718
I find it hard to believe answers lie in a substance.
>>673791507
Came here to bait like this faggot but he beat me to it
>>673829082
try it.
>>673829082
Dont do it. Just research it. Worth the interest, if you try you will see what I mean.
Holy fuck, I go away for over 3 hrs.
Have sex with someone's wife.
Buy 1/4lb of dank cigaweed.
Sell most of the cigaweed.
Bonghit sessions.
Go to newks and buy a sandwich.
Text my girlfriend.
Come back here and this god damn thread still exist!
My mind is like, FUCK you blown and shit.
-god
>>673829075
Did my own extract a couple of years ago. Done it 6 times, broke through twice. Enough for me so I just stash it.
>>673829082
Agreed
Maybe a tool, but I agree anon
>>673829376
are you a chemist? some dude burned his house down making some DMT in my town. how can i successfully extract my own?
>>673829587
I've always thought of hallucinagins, etc. to be used as tools.
>>673829082
>>673829587
its made from the root of some tree in south america. look up ayahuasca. its a naturally created chemical/drug. they just brew it to a tea
>>673829957
theyre very useful tools. they can create or destroy though
>>673829957
I've taken shrooms before, hoping to use as a meditative tool. Looking back, it open doors alright, to the extreme creative and paranoid.
A question often asked.
I'm more concerned lately about my subconsciousness if thats what it is.
Giving me freaky dreams. Cmon, all I want is sex dreams and all I get is everything but.
Insane bastard always with me and messing with my sleep.
>>673829092
you realize you are only baiting yourself, right?
>>673830344
>>673829957
>>673829082
>>673828718
Lol. The question of consciousness turns into an invitation for drug use.
Maybe I'm naive, but I think the answer is available to everyone, at all times. Regardless of access to material substance.
>>673830446
we cant comprehend consciousness so you want to dig deeper? subconsciousness is corruptible too i think. media and all that shit. is it always the same insane bastard? is it sleep paralysis?
>>673830735
How?
>>673830849
Do tell
>>673831243
in the spirit of this thread, you are only baiting yourself, because all that is, is.
>>673831366
I'm still working on it.
>>673831578
I'm glad we're all reaching similar conclusions
>>673830849
in a perfect world yes anon. we live in a negative based world sadly. those with power want to keep everyone suppressed so they can remain in power. the best way to enslave someone is by making them think theyre free. drugs help us see that there is more to life than what we have been told. at least for me.
you are naive anon, but so am I. the answer is always available but we just wont know how to access it or even where to start looking for it. whose to say we even have the the correct answer? we're all wired differently. if you dont need drugs to achieve something that we do need drugs for, good for you. lets work together and figure the rest out. dont condemn them for not functioning the same way you do.
>>673789927
I thoroughly enjoy using this philosophy on people.
>>673789515
Another time OP. I'm going to die some time in the future, and you will never know me. But right now I'm going to masterbate. Good night
>>673802052
UNDERRATED POST
>>673832101
kek. godspeed anon
>>673829075
Not op but when in the DARK we you can use the interNET to find information on dmt. hopefully you can find good MARKETS for it.
>>673789515
very fucked up in this very moment
Why
>>673802052
it means we're narrowing down the possible explanations. they could be close or completely off. what matters is we keep trying
>>673832513
>clever bastard.
>>673831979
>philosophy
That's not what that word means.
The phrase you were looking for was "I had shitty parents of shitty genetic stock and am functionally retarded but society tells me I am special even though I've done nothing to earn that distinction"
The fuck would we ever know within this 3d construct we experience in this moment? How about this: We exist trans dimensionally. From a single point, to the tenth dimension.
>>673832713
>implying this doesn't describe the majority of /b/'s inhabitants.
>>673833019
so the final stop is the tenth dimension? how do pass on the 4th dimension? DMT?
>>673831962
Thank you for your thoughts anon. I try to think that we already live in a perfect world, all we need to do is open our eyes.
>>673830849
>>673831962
I do not condemn drug use whatsoever.. I'm sorry if you thought I was speaking negatively.
Can anyone describe what a dmt experience was like for them?
thread's fucking long, didn't read.
Ask a master's student in philosophy anything. Currently attending a top 8 terminal MA program (in burgerland)
>>673833777
Trips of truth
>>673834057
What makes you think you're a valid source for this topic?
>>673834057
Who is your favorite philosopher and why?
>>673834084
Amen.
>>673833777
nice trips, but why do you believe we live in a perfect world already? what do you see as being perfect? if you truly open your eyes you would see that it is possible to feed every single person on this planet. shelter them and educate them. the power of money and pride is too strong though. i do want to hear your answers anon. this is how we learn
>>673833910
no worries anon. i feel people automatically think drugs are all negative without fulling knowing what they do and how they effect people. have you ever taken acid?
>>673834057
why did you want to be a philosopher? do you want to know everything or just like the interesting questions and conversations?
>>673833977
checked. this is how i heard about DMT for the first time. crazy fucking movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCIe9gh84NE
>>673834757
I think our perception of the world is entirely our own choice, so the very act of choosing to see negativity in the world creates it. That's not to say that we can play ignoramus and let the world descend into chaos at the hands of evil men. Instead I suggest that our perception of evil and fear is what we need to address. Not tyrants and other nasty characters.
No, not acid. Mescaline, weed, various pharmaceuticals, but not acid.
>>673789515
Consciousness is a belief of the abstract reasoning portion of self-aware recurrent neural networks that they are in full control of the decisions being produced by the entire recurrent neural network.
>>673834429
If this topic is just the question of "what is consciousness," then not much. Although judging by the first couple of posts, I do think the question has been sufficiently answered.
>>673834498
My usual answer is my boi Hume. But lately I've been pretty stoked on David Hilbert and some of those other logical positivists. Despite it being a fool's errand, I fucking love the idea of logically axiomitizing everything.
>>673835086
I chose philosophy in undergrad after trying to crash an intro to phil course. I was undecided for 3 years, but after attending one session (I didn't actually get a spot in the class) I immediately knew it was the most interesting thing I had learned about in school thus far. There was a bit of pressure from the family to get a degree, so I went with what was for me the most fascinating and stimulating subject, philosophy. I have to confess I don't really want to know everything, so in regards to your question is was just because I liked the interesting questions and conversations.
>>673835667
touché anon. ive actually used that argument against my friends, haha. i feel like i would become a tyrant instead of a savior
mescaline is like acid. dont really know in what ways, but theyre hallucinogens. acid is fucking awesome. you should try it. if you live in CA ill buy the first round. my dealer has done acid, shrooms and molly at the same time. that is fuckin insane
>>673836748
Hahaha I am very far from CA but thank you for the offer anon
>>673789515
a curse
>>673836252
What are your thoughts about strong AI and whether computers can also be conscious.
>>673812683
I have felt what you felt. Its completely valid, I feel that your reality is scary because you have found through consciousness concepts that require your attention and understanding. We're essentially experiencing reality, we are creating it every moment, but at the same time we learn from ourselves and the outer world reveals these 'hidden truths' to us. This may sound like bullshit at first but the universe or your reality actually is a reflection of yourself at any given moment. Thats why people call life journies or whatever because its multiple entities experiencing eternity.
>>673836252
badass anon. i wish i would have done that. i was always good at math so people automatically assumed i would major in engineering. i just went along with it. took philosophy 101 first year and learned we cant confirm anything but ourselves as real. just because we see and touch them doesnt mean its not a construct. i had that exact thought when i was going to disneyland looking at the cars on the freeway. how do i know theyre real and not just something created for me to believe i live in a world with other humans. as a kid i thought it was stupid and meant nothing. i had my eyes closed. i didnt take school serious and dropped out in 2 years or so. never did pass that philosophy 101 class. i love to learn and thats philosophy. i also question everything. how much longer till you get your masters?
>>673837377
and a blessing
>>673837302
anytime /b/ro. are you in the US?
>>673836252
im the one that asked about why you wanted to be a philosopher. can you explain what/how logically axiomitizing is?
>>673837452
I'm not sure exactly what you mean about strong AI, so I'll briefly answer your second question.
I don't think computers can be conscious, if by conscious you mean sort of "as cognitively functional as a human." There's a practical expertise, a sort of embodied coping that humans and animals have that AI scientists haven't been able to remotely replicate. Source: took a seminar on embodied cognition, and another seminar on Heidegger (which had us read the Dreyfus/McDowell debate) last semester.
If by conscious you mean something like "self aware," then I also doubt it but have nothing really to offer as an argument.
∞ ∞ ∞ who has experienced the god head? who knows that we are all the exact same being and that will exist forever, playing hide and seek with itself. who has looked through the eyes of infinity? ∞ ∞ ∞
>>673839520
ur bitch did lmao
>>673839520
Eyey
>>673838710
Yes. Midwest.
>>673839696
one day it will all come back to you, and you will realize its happened before, infinite times
>>673839804 you know what im talkin bout?
>>673839520
how can i experience it? what is it? i get we are all one being/entity. drop some knowledge
>>673839696
bravo anon (stands to clap) kek
>>673839909
I think I might know what you're talking about
>>673839520
I have. It's a funny joke.
>>673838261
>>673839107
I assume these are both you?
In regards to your first post, thanks bruv. I was never great at math, although I was decent at logic. That's a badass aptitude you've got there, and I wouldn't let go of it. I'm not saying become an engineer or anything, but there's enormous application in philosophy, abstract math, physics, and theoretical physics for people strong in math. Also, looks like you guys learned some Descartes! Despite how much shit he gets the Meditations were really extraordinary. If I stay on track I'll earn my masters in May of 2017.
In regards to the second post, by logically axiomatizing I mean translate every relation and principle of everything into a "formula of logic," so to speak. For example, Hilbert is credited with attempting to formulate the geometrical relations "in between," "is a point on a line," and others as formal logical propositions. It seems strange and trivial, like why does "in between" need to be made into a formula, but it's all done in pursuit of clarity and exactness.
>>673839903
nice. a lot of forests and fresh air there right? acid is great out in nature. ive been to the beach here on acid and it looked like the ocean had a diamond coated layer. on strong gusts of wind i could feel the earth breathing.
>>673839961
psychedelic drugs can trigger it, but only people who are ready for the experience will get it. it cannot be explained through words. it can also cause insanity but they say insanity and enlightenment are two sides of the same coin.
>>673840011 we have forgotten most of what we have learned because it would be impossible to function at an every day level
>>673840160
maybe the biggest joke possible?
>>673840552
So how do we make it useful? Or is it just some kind of infinite cosmic game?
>>673840487
Yes! My favorite thing to do is smoke a bit and go on long ass walks through the woods. Planning on doing either acid or more mescaline this coming summer. Hopefully a pasture or something open.
This thread is gonna explode
>>673789515
https://soundcloud.com/catilluminati/cherry-feat-minette-fourie
>>673840865
know that there is no difference between whats going on inside your head and whats going on outside of your world.
well it is a game in the sense that its playful and its pretty much awesome as fuck. just know that the way existence is set up, you have already experienced everything there is to experience infinite different ways and will continue to do so infinitely. so sit back and enjoy the ride :) live your life like if you were immortal
I know I'm pretty late to this thread but from what I've read here is many people believe consciences is a "thing" in our brain when really its more a less a process of our brain thinking. Humans have evolved from the simplest organisms to do one thing. Spread the genes. And through this process of evolution our brain was formed and tuned to adapt to our environment. And as a result of this we get the complex neuron connections generated in our brain from birth. When the switch is turned "on" the brain goes through a complex butterfly affect. One neuron triggering another neuron. And the unique position of every neuron placed by our evolved genes happen to give us the ability to think outside of the box. It's ridiculous that an evolutionary goal to spread genes gave us the unintentional capability to be conscience.
>>673789515
I love this thread so much.
an cryptic metaphoric expression likely reliant to ones biological development.
>>673789515
Try this on for size, OP:
What if our consciousness is derived from a higher self? What if we, as humans, don't exist in only three spacial dimensions, but the nature of our bodies binds us to an exclusive perception of three dimensions?
We believe the brain to be the source of our consciousness, or the source of our ability to think. But there's a lot we still don't know about the brain. What if we are conscious only because the brain is the only part of our body capable of interpreting the data being sent to us through our higher dimensional selves?
If you see a monitor in a room with a YouTube video playing, but can see no computer of any sort attached or plugged in to it, the most logical conclusion is that the computer is inside the monitor itself.
However, what if the computer's in another room and streaming over wifi or bluetooth to the tv? You'd have no way of knowing that to be the case, but it still would be.
And if the screen in destroyed and no longer shows any images, the computer doesn't stop playing the video; it just has no screen on which to show it.
>>673841624
Yes, I've come to that realization..
But idk.. There just seems to be something so... Planned about it. Like there is a goal.
That annoying time between naps.
>>673841993
I'd say you were experiencing some demonic shit.
>>673842020
yes ill just say theres a difference between believing it and actually knowing it. wisdom vs knowledge.
there is a plan. the goal is Perfection. evolution is not blind its driving itself towards perfection. the whole universe will one day be a single god knowing everything than there is nothing left to do and exhistence becomes boring because it knows everything. so there is only one thing left to do, divine suicide, the universe kills itself and resets the cycle, think big bang, and the god splits into infinite different parts (monads) which than drive themselves through evolution all in different ways like we are today.
>>673840356
i was good at math because you just follow a pattern and master it. numbers change but the pattern is the same. i always thought a lot but just brushed it off as noise or stuff i had no need to worry about. then i took a blunt to the lungs and i started connecting dots and making sense of things. i abused the weed and ultimately led to me dropping out. i started getting into psychology too. why the hell do people do the crazy shit they do. started analyzing everyones behavior. recently cause of LSD, i want to learn chemistry and make pure acid. ive thought of going back to officially become a philospher though. i want to know everything. i fear when i do it will corrupt me. it was Descartes. i kept thinking emmanuel kant for some reason. stay focused anon. then start a philosophy and math college like plato
reading that reminded me of why i couldnt do good in school, haha. ill keep looking into it but i cant concentrate when im reading. my mind wanders off but still keeps reading. then i dont remember what i read
it was plato that said for the perfect government to exist it had to be run by a philosopher king right?
Indubitable.
save the bread :(
>>673843622
Just..let it go
>>673789515
It's an emergent behavior that allows atoms to be self aware of themselves.
>>673840552
i think one time i took some shrooms i got a light charge.
>>673842597
is this you too anon? i read a version of that goal too. they called it logos instead of monads though. i love this plan
