ITT: we discuss the point at which great series' lost their spark and why.
South Park - around season 16
Why - can't quite put my finger on it. Any thoughts?
To me, they never did lose their spark.
>>672698532
Family guy- around season 1 episode 1
>>672698917
Family guy has flat jokes sure but it is still funnier than virtually every live action sitcom
>>672698532
They started zooming right in on pop culture and media fads and then getting whackier and whackier without actually trying to make a point
>>672699142
Oh come on. Every joke is "Remember that time when..." And then there's a flashback and someone either gets hurt or something awkward happens. I only considered it a great show because it is immensely popular.
>>672698675
I'm with you 100%.
>>672699540
Yeah, it's sketch based. That's like getting pissed at SNL because there's no continuity
>>672698532
simpsons
around season 14 when they got really political.
and yes, the movie was also terrible
>>672699659
It was a joke to say episode 1 it got boring but using the same formula every episode made it go stale extremely fast.
>>672699672
The Simpsons stopped being perfection at season 10. It stopped being watchable by 14.
The movie was very watchable but crass like family guy. Golden era simpsons (2-9) was the best show there's ever been. Long live Swartzerwelder
>>672698532
To me it seems like mat and trey just stopped caring.
Also,
Scrubs - Season 9. Milking something that ended just for more money.
HIMYM - Season 10. The writers fucked everyone.
Friends - Last half of Season 10. The whole Monica/Chandler adoption thing seemed really phoned in.
It's Always Sunny - Season 11, they're just reusing old jokes right now. I'm pretty sure the guys have stopped writing the show and are having someone else do it.
Bones - The second after B&B got married I just kind of stopped caring.
New Girl (Fuck you, I like it.) - Season 4 had no purpose at all. S5 is ok so far, but we'll see how they progress.
Agents of Shield - Mid Season 3 finale, finally killing off Booth just for him to not be dead was stupid, even if the guy is a great actor on the set. The whole FitzSimmons thing is getting too drawn out, just let them be together and be done with it. Daisy and the electric dude seems pretty forced, but that's because for some reason they keep trying to give all their characters some kind of romance plot at the same time.
>>672700308
you phrased what i meant very perfectly
>>672700308
Swartzwelder
>>672700326
*AoS, not Booth, Ward.
top gear UK
when they fired clarkson
breaking bad. s3
Lost-pilot episode
simpsons after 2001
>>672699672
even earlier. mabe like season 7-10, when they had moved from "look how strange that family behaves" to over the top comic stuff. Example: Homer. He was an emotional guy who made quick decissions all the time. And not realy a smart man at that. So he allways stumbled into hilarious situations. But over time he became more and more stupid, and somewhen he crossed the line and it became unreasonably stupid. In the early seasons it might have been concidered stupid if someone made him eat a hand full of extremely hot peppers. Today the gag would be that he gets convinced to eat a hand full of broken glass. You cant feel with him, because thats no realistic fuckup anymore
>>672699659
Agreed
>>672698532
South Park's last season was awesome, right aimed on PC bullshit, so you can't say that.
You grew up enough to realize it's only edgy to teens
>>672698532
They lost two of their VAs for shitty reasons and stopped smoking weed
>>672698532
you mean when did the series jump the shark you faggot
>>672698532
>THEY LOST THEIR SPARK
>ITS A SHIT SERIES NOW
why?
>cant put my finger on it- BUT IT STILL SUCKS
>>672700640
valid point. but lets look at the seasons in question. 9-14. after 14 we can agree its just shite. but in the area between these two points, we have a new type of show. its like you said, he was unreasonably stupid, but they still had situations that were watchable, and funny. (simpsons going to japan comes to mind) its a different type of show, not horrible, but not its former glory.
the episode (season 20ish) where they build a wall to keep out the swedish. that episode made me wanna beat the shit outta matt groening
sorry if im not making much sense, first language is russian.
the three stooges
when they replaced curly with curly joe, and had fake violence
>>672698532
They started being less and less subtle and making more politically fuelled episodes. That's why people either love it more or love it less. Pic somewhat related.
>>672701134
I stopped watching, so I cant tell for sure. It just faded out around that time for me
>>672700937
YES!
I lost interest around the time they introduced towellie
>>672700326
There was no season 10 of HIMYM you massive faggot, go watch New Girl your fucking kike
>>672698532
I think south park made a big comeback this year. But they will struggle to follow through over the next couple of years.
>>672701270
i enjoyed that sweet spot between the types. around the time they had the veal episode. they made it cause of that big stink and attempted banning of veal by peta, but they didnt use any of the shit from that to make jokes. they just made jokes about growing a vagina from it
>>672699440
this
>>672701499
Whatever, the last season. Haven't watched it since the finale so it's been a while.
>>672701595
not bad for 20+ years, i think we can agree
Whenever a show focuses over 1 or 2 episodes a season on a trending fad then they fail. South Park has always been about pop culture but it's been timeless until about season 10ish after Chef left. Simpsons has the same problem where it's all about the guest stars rather than the usual crew.
>>672698532
nigga u dumb
last season of south park was great. Better than 99.5% of television.
For that matter, the simpsons have been putting out solid (not great) seasons for a long time as well.
These shows "go off" because self-important judgmental hipster faggots feel the need to justify changes in how they spend their time as they grow into older judgmental faggots and start complaining about things like colonialism and how hard it is to find hormone free cheese.
>>672701688
Agreed. Fan since day one. They have good years and bad.
>>672701382
What! Towelie is amazing! If you don't think Towelie is a great whimsical, irreverent character which was perfect for the show then I dont respect your opinion
>>672699142
>Every life action sitcom
>every
>EVERY
Oz
when they killed off augustus in season 5
after that it was all gay shit and terrorism
>>672701016
This.
The show didnt change, you just got used to it and it stopped blowing your mind like it used to, because you were used to it. Quit being such and entitled faggot.
>>672698532
The creators of South Park lost it around season 16 because they went the way of Seth McFarlane; using what was supposed to be comedy as a political soap box.
Spongebob
Season 1 is genius, Seasons 2 and 3 are very good, 4 was watchable.
Everything after that is just a stupid kids show
>>672698532
how to make a sp episode today:
>pick something trendy among teens and youg adults
>focus the plot only around that
>include some celeb parody like simpsons do
>pull out a few jokes and finally try to come up with a moral lesson
>totally miss the whole point because you want to stay on the middle ground
Drew carrey show
season 6, when kate left
>>672698532
Are you kidding? South Park is getting better with every new episode.
>>672702040
>implying its not all just a stupid kids show
>>672700583
only cucks and poofs like clarkson
which are you?
>>672701270
>less and less subtle
Let's have a look at earlier seasons...
>kick the baby
>a christmas shit
>pure ad hominems at streisand and hasselhoff
>cartmans mom fucks everyone
>slapstick zombie thriller jokes
>starvin marvin
This series was always a juvenile piece of shit that attempted to give young adults a sense of accomplishment by letting them figure out a really thin veiled resemblance to something that was on the news that month. And it's amazing. So stop being a fucktard pretending that South Park, or any of the series mentioned in this thread ever was or will be special. It's good entertainment. C'est ca.
>>672700326
iasip stills great
>>672702042
>this is totally different from the early south park episodes
>>672698532
South Park got about three phases, roughly:
S1-6: just messing around doing stupid shit, has most of the timeless episodes
S7-12: doing more coherent stories, different but still okay because it would have gotten stale
S13+: getting very political and huge references to pop culture, still some gems in there but most episodes aren't worth watching again
>>672702103
>porn jokes in a kids show
>>672702111
Checked
dester post season 4
>>672700308
>The Simpsons stopped being perfection at season 10
Some episodes of season 8 and 9 are already pretty shitty
>>672702111
im a man who agrees that you should beat the living shit out of a man who is pissing you off
go back to liverpool you half a chav
House MD: Hit its peak season three. Was good to season five. Every season after five got much worse.
Though as simple as the formula was I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did.
Anyone notice how things are rarely good after three? The third movie,album,tv show, video game.
Usually after the third installment it's shit. This applies a little less to video games.
>>672702217
Don't get me wrong, I love the show, but this season relied way too much on past jokes than making new ones.
I think in a few years these new south parks will be cult classics like the old ones are now.
>>672702398
There is a reason trilogies are that common.
>>672700326
also, why the fuck is the cgi on the electric guy's powers so fucking dumb? I was hoping they'd kill him off so they could use the budget elsewhere, because those effects ruin every scene he's in for me. Also the inhumans dont seem to have any real value as characters, they spent ages building them up as important, killed off the whole bunch and then found a way to pretend the inhumans were important again....before promptly forgetting that they'd done that. Plus where the fuck is the guy with the gravity powers? They teased him and then forgot they'd done it when they found out what was happening with captain america 2. Basically the show is suffering greatly from being unable to call it's own shots, it keeps having to shift around to track the MCU, meaning it never gets to do anything worthwhile as a storyline or resolve any loose threads. Which would be fine if the MCU gave a shit, but they've had like 3 cameos from the lower end MCU talent in 3 years, none of which really did anything or meant anything.
OP here. Lost of great characters and one really insightful line in the last season (what is PC if not verbal gentrification?) but it was nothing compared to the send-up they did of the public's&congress's reactions to the 2008 financial crisis. That was a masterfully crafted piece of satire with tonnes of admittedly surreal but trenchant jokes. Season 19 is really nicely polished but it's just gibberish about ads and PC and gentrification, there's no heart in it
>>672702355
*drexler
>>672702526
Yeah I'm aware of it. I just find it interesting how creativity runs dry after three instalments for the most part.
>>672702362
so you think that its cool to hit someone if they dont give you a steak when you want one? When you're so upper middle class that you're so used to getting everything you want, when you want, that not getting your own way makes you lash out and hit people. You think thats good? Clarkson is just another rich cunt who's used to bossing everyone around because he's a rich cunt.
How many times do Parker and Stone have to make it clear that they phone it in on the show? Ever since South Park started to popular, the creators have repeatedly said that they are able to keep the show going with simple current-culture references because the production costs are so low. The only reason the show has lasted as long as it has is because of the production values and nothing more. If only 1000 people watched it, they would still run it because it costs so little to make. Arguing about "when did teh show git bad" is kind of silly because even the creators don't consider it to be that fantastic.
The toilet humor, broad swipes, and uninspired narratives that just reflect yesterdays headlines make the show popular with young adults and teenagers. Some of their episodes attack groups of people just for the sake of it, and they dress it up with "lol we make fun of everyone dude" but it is clear that they are just pandering to whichever demographic they think will bring the most views that week.
It makes me think of the Stinky Taint girl from Drawn Together. Its just garbage, vulgar, low brow humor with some loose social commentary tied in to get past the censors.
>>672702520
I don't think so. They are splitting the audience. For some that live in the PC affected bubble they will be great because they directly relate to that. But for the rest it's nothing special.
>>672702361
Agreed but didn't think to mention because The Joys of Sect is in season 9 and is a classic
>>672702398
I guess it's that sweet spot where the concept and style is perfected, but after that, the novelty just wears off. Like if I found a diamond I can sell it because people want shinies. Then I find more diamonds and I start to polish them to sell them for even more $$. Then after some time everybody has diamonds and nobody wants them anymore.
>>672702579
this
I loved House, and even though most didn't like how much it began to dive into his psyche, I loved it. The insane asylum episodes revived it for me. After that it became stagnant, until the last season was so uncomfortably different and new, it was watchable again. Almost like you knew you were watching the show die. I like the way it ended, I just think it should've ended a season or 2 sooner
>>672702398
house should have ended when he got with Cuddy. It should have been a story about personal development, that he learned to be okay because he no longer felt inadequate, because even though he was an ornery cripple someone loved him, which meant he could stop acting out because he felt alienated from people. Just end it with him completely embracing his humanity, not becoming a nice guy or solving his physical problems or whatever, but just accepting his life for what it is and moving forward with his friends and loved ones because it was good enough. That's all you ever get to hope for in life, good enough, and it would have been a great "happy" ending for house.
>>672702924
I don't think that's true any longer. Maybe in the good ol' days when they used pieces of construction paper. It probably costs a lot more to air an episode now.
>>672702002
Season 1 topics include:
>Political Correctness
>Conflict in Iraq
>Starvation in Africa
>Religious differences and conflict
>Public Perception of Homosexuality
>>672702362
*Go back to Liverpool you thieving, inbred, scouser
>>672703200
>>672703205
Agreed.
>>672703293
A scause for applause
>>672701134
It was the Norwegians they kept out, not the Swedish
Dexter
After season 2
Arrow
only season 2 was good
Scrubs
After Season 6
South Park
was always hit and miss
Breaking Bad
After Gus dies
House of Cards
after season 2
>>672703241
... it's actually much cheaper with the software they use now than with paper, which takes forever to shoot. Stop motion is super expensive.
Now they have pre-rendered sets, characters etc that they just direct digitally and create new assets when they need to, which isn't hard because the aesthetic is so simple.
>>672703247
Damn straight nigga
>>672703470
Also fuck you, Coming to Homerica was a great episode
Southpark lost its charm when culturaly nothing on it could shock us any more. To the point of becoming tame. The icing on the shit cake was not showing Muhammad on the cartoon wars episode. Proving sp wasn't about pushing boundaries to highlight an injustice but just common cheap entertainment.
>>672699659
Well said
>>672698532
Trey Parker and Matt Stone explained in an interview the reason for the drastic change in content around that point you mentioned. They said it's because of their ages, they can't think the same as they did when they were younger. They're both married with kids now etc
They explained it way better than I did.
Having said that I still love south park
>>672698532
south park is like /b/ its mediocre its still around its very active
why are you still here
>>672703241
you realize using paper is incredibly time consuming and difficult and now that they have computers to do it with they make each episode in the week before it airs.
>>672699142
bullshit, It's Always Sunny is the funniest thing on TV right now and will always be miles ahead of family guy and post season 14 south park
>>672698532
I think futurama lost its spark during season 6, but regained it about half way through.
>>672703546
I'll change your facial aesthetics with my dick hoe
That's actually pretty interesting though.
Dexter should have ended several seasons before it did
SP began to lack when character development happen. its downfall of every show and what keeps any show going
>>672702178
Jelly fag. South Park is the greatest
>>672704099
m'kay.
South park is funny which is amazing since it's been on so long. It's always been hit and miss.
That fat retarded kid with the red glasses needs to go though. He's not funny at all. kill him off like Chef
>>672703878
>futurama
>had a spark
pic one
inb4 edgy 14yos who want to watch "simpsons 4 nerds lolololol I'm so random :)"
>>672699440
Have you seen the latest season? There is a point, and it is less than subtle.
>>672704232
>has never seen the show
>probably watches the cleveland show
>>672704215
Yeah, I've never really been a fan of him either.
you can't strip all characters at once of all original characteristics and do anything you with them every new episode. just look at Stan
>>672698532
Red Vs Blue
S1-3, died after
>>672704232
Not my fault you are too stupid to understand simple jokes that don't revolve around visual gag comedy.
idk b, family guy can entertain me but it never really makes me laugh like a ylyl does
>>672704232
Futurama was amazing. You are an inbred twat.
>>672702178
I remember that time period. Those episodes don't hold up very well at all, I think they changed considerably since that time.
rooster teeths animated adventures are pree good aswell
>>672703878
Show became shit when it came back from being canceled bro.
>>672704343
>>672704523
>>672704557
guise, I said "inb4 edgy 14yos..."
that means none of you should have posted anything. I already called you out
Remember the chicken rapist? He drives the mobile library around for the book drive.
>>672704701
You're dick probably looks unfortunate.
>>672704701
You sound like such a fucking newfag, holy shit.
>>672704779
*your
>>672698532
The Simpsons when everything became about Lisa that shit pissed me off. It was cool when it was everyone but now it's about the most annoying and least interesting character
>>672704699
So...season 6?
>>672704860
*Your dick probably looks unfortunate.
>>672704779
Excellent
>>672702924
Trey Parker and Matt Stone make a huge salary moron. It's no cheaper to make than any other cartoon.
The only episode that was made with scissors and paper was the very first episode.
All the others were digitally created.
Shut the fuck up
>>672698532
They lost Chef!
>>672704939
Not true.
>>672703241
That literally only happened once. On season one episode one.
>>672705023
Nah. You're wrong.
>>672704779
>>672704844
>>672703813
Exactly, trey Parker and Matt Stone mentioned it took months to make the first and only episode with construction paper. Every episode since has been digitally created and done in 6 days.
>>672704913
season 5.
>>672705240
butters episodes were the best. goth kids rock too
>>672705236
I like how you went and renamed this picture just for this thread. You're pretty insecure about your intelligence, aren't you?
>>672705005
>>672705084
Pic related fags.
>>672698532
The Office when Michael left. Although it was ok with Robert California
>>672705236
You can't 'drive it home', just accept it man. Also I would suggest you start taking dick ASAP.
>>672705566
shooped
>>672705566
How's that related??
>>672704215
which fat retarded kid with the red glasses?
>>672705630
http://wpadmin.southparkstudios.com/2013/06/10/faq-do-you-still-use-construction-paper-to-animate-the-show/
Hunter x Hunter .. it suddenly just started to seem gay...
>>672705749
The one who gets raped by a shark and is always like "MIMSYYYYY!"
>>672698532
They focus way to much making a point or being witty these days rather than making a fun episode (which is why I watched it in the first place because it can be funny as fuck).
>>672705751
I'm not clicking on your pizza link bro.
>>672705873
Nope
>>672705703
Because people are saying they used construction paper to make multiple episodes and only switched to software in the later seasons that's why south park is so cheap.
>>672698532
one season is one story, which SUCKS,
Bet their team changed
>>672698532
New stuff is great.
>>672698532
Paranormal Activity - around 1st or 2nd part
>>672705937
Nope
>>672698532
they got their imagination nuked
>>672705899
Femanon here. Please click it anon, for me? I'll touch your dick if you do
>>672702249
>S1-6: just messing around doing stupid shit
And this was the only South Park that was enjoyable to watch as far as I'm concerned
>>672699659
How the fuck is this a good point. Are you just fucking replying to your own post
>>672705940
Okay... And??
>>672706174
Sorry, only into dudes.
>>672705842
Probably the rule 34 you've seen and the subtle hints of Gon and Killua's faggot love presented in every episode upon their initial meeting
>>672706146
Yes.
>>672705940
the conversation devolved from
>>672702924
basically, that poster called out the creators for only having a show because of the cheap production values, and suddenly all of the fanbois tried to defend it by saying construction paper/cgi is expensive. honestly, if this was any other board than /b/ I would be baffled by the general ignorance.
>>672706174
And if you really are a femanon, gross. Everyone knows that any femanon here is most likely a disgusting human being.
>>672706580
Construction paper is expensive.
>>672706369
Are you retarded? I'm providing the evidence that only the pilot episode was made with construction paper.
Dude, fuck off
>>672706677
Yeah I know that the show is made with paper , but i just am confused what your point is.
I felt the same way about South Park until the most recent season. I felt like the last season was bad because they were putting so much effort into the game(which was perfect imho).
>>672706174
Fermilab here. Please go kill yourself, for me? I'll accelerate your particles if you do
>>672698532
Last season was gold. Are you dumb?
>>672702924
1000 watchers... and the channel will broadcast it just because "its so cheap". They are not making peanut butter in a factory bruh. There is a team that makes it and they all require a salary. There is also the time slot to air it on tv. Why would a channel air a tv show that has very few viewers you wanker.
>>672704844
>>672704343
>>672704523
>>672704557
>>672704779
>>672705413
>>672705586
Why I Hate Futurama
Like Family Guy, a rabid fan base has brought Futurama back to life. And like Family Guy, I have watched this show several times trying to understand what’s supposed to be so goddamn brilliant about it. I have had a ton of episodes playing in the background and know what’s going on, who the characters are, and what this show is aiming for. And I fucking hate it. Because it’s done by folks involved in The Simpsons, I figured there’d have to be something going for it, but no. It blows, and here are my reasons for hating the show:
1. Bender
This is supposed to be THE funny character. In fact, when the show debuted, my immediate thought was, “oh, so this is the Homer of the show.” Unlike Homer, there is nothing to like about Bender. He’s just a self-centered prick, and saying that that’s the whole point of the character doesn’t make him any less cringe inducing. His meanness is supposed to be funny, but it isn’t. It’s just annoying. This character is so unlikable that he makes more sense as part of the Family Guy universe. Also, "bite my shiny metal ass" is such a lame attempt at a catchphrase, it makes Cartman's "screw you guys, I'm going home" almost sublime by comparison.
2. Fry
This escaped me for a while, but then I realized that there are actually two Homers on this show. Bender’s the asshole Homer, and Fry is the retarded Homer. So basically what the show did is take the two most irritating aspects of a great character, strip away the humanity, and make them separate characters. There are some “touching” scenes with Fry, but for the most part his character is way too idiotic to care about, which is why Homer is such a shitty character now.
>>672707114
3. Pop culture
The moment I knew without a doubt that Futurama was going to suck ass was when they introduced the Celebrity Frozen Heads. I know that The Simpsons is to blame for the whole pop-culture humor thing, but in the past it was done intelligently. Also, when a celebrity would do a voice on the show, it worked best when they were playing a character. Instead, now whenever a character is introduced it’s preceded by their full name and description of what makes them famous. It’s like they forgot how to make this shit funny and now just do it because it’s expected. Just pointing at something and saying “look!” isn’t funny. There has to be a joke involved. The Futurama episode that got me to write this list had a beginning scene that took place at Comicon. There was a Futurama panel. There were references to Joss Whedon and J.J. Abrams. It wasn’t funny.
4. The animation sucks
This may be odd coming from someone who loves South Park and King of the Hill, but Futurama really suffers from crappy animation. This is with regard to the new Comedy Central version, of course. I know there are budget issues, but still, it just looks bad now. The animation’s all cheap looking and choppy. I know that “adult” cartoons nowadays don’t really have great animation anymore, but this is the only one that suffers from it. At least it does to me, because I hate the show and this is probably just another excuse for me to talk shit on it.
>>672707180
5. I just fucking hate it
Everything is subject to taste. I know that a lot of people can’t stand King of the Hill but love The Cleveland Show. Me, I hate shows that rely on pop culture references to get their laughs, so I hate Fox’s Animation Domination. This is what’s popular now, and I don’t enjoy it. Therefore, if you’re into this kind of thing, then you probably love Futurama. I’m not, so I don’t. That doesn’t mean that the show is inherently unfunny, it just is to me. It’s the same reason why I can’t fully enjoy those early South Park episodes anymore. Futurama has a very good premise, and it’s pissed away by crappy writing and lame jokes. It’s something that I SHOULD love. I just wish it didn’t suck so much.
>>672706817
Kekd hard mate. Lovely banter
>>672707114
I'm not going to read all of that. It's a more intelligent form of humor, rather than 'slapstick' blatant jokes it relies more on nuance. You lost me when you said Bender was the only funny character. IMO I think the old scientist guy is the funniest.
>>672707180
Everything you've talked about takes place in episode 1. Have you only ever watched the pilot episode? The celebrity heads in jars thing was in the pilot, bender being a selfish jerk, fry being a moron with some touching scenes, the low quality animation...all episode one, season one.
>>672707434
>likes intelligent humor
>cant be bothered to read
kek
>>672700326
All of these shows listed except for sunny sucked dick from the pilot.
>>672698917
Its not funnier than "Its Always Sunny"
>>672707661
No time for fools.
>>672702993
That episode sucks.
Seinfeld last half of season 9 turned shit
>>672707577
are you trolling? are you seriously saying that the celebrity heads in jars never happened again after the pilot? are you saying that bender was only selfish in the pilot? are you saying that Fry was only a moron in the pilot? are you for real? you ask if he watched the show, but now I wonder if you have.
>>672707741
well, don't be like that. maybe if you spent some time on yourself you might learn 2 read good and do other stuff good 2.
South Park dips in quality whenever those guys are in the middle of a bigger project (the movie, Team America, and The Book of Mormon), but last season was probably the best season they ever made.
>>672700326
New Girl has always fucking sucked. Too many storylines to fucking follow and the only thing good about it is Zooey.
>>672700583
This. Also when they moved to fucking Amazon or whatever
>>672708112
My dad's friend works on the set of that show I guess doing makeup or clothes or something. He said she's a cunt. In more polite terms.
>>672708052
So you're saying I'll be more better by talking about it?
How I met your mother is starting to get bad
>>672698532
more like season 10
>>672708108
Buckle up buckaroos! I love that they shat on her. She's technically responsible for someones death because she wasn't paying attention. But everyone is supposed to forget about that because she's so brave...
>>672708338
I think we can safely assume she is a cunt. most of them are. especially the ones with the "i really need to be famous but nobody is hiring me" type of career.
>>672708630
I don't see you writing a petition to have him arrested.
>>672708472
the mother is dead, ted loves robin, his two kids are hooking up with each other, barney comes out of the closet, marshall and lily divorce. season 9 summed up
>>672708630
Well actually Bruce Jenner was the one involved in the crash not Caitlin.
Most good series get shitty when the original writers make a fuckton of money then move on to new projects.
Long running series get shitty because you change - not them
>>672708630
She is fucking brave faggot.
>>672708768
This nigga...
>>672708761
Shit I meant the big bang theory
>>672708666
chekd and wrekd.
>>672708760
Well it already went through the process and she was acquitted I think. It doesn't change the fact that she was texting and slammed into another car which hit another car which veered into oncoming traffic and killed someone.
Grow up you faggot. There are more important issues at hand than caitlyn jenner. I'm just making a point.
>>672708338
she always looked to me like she'd be the biggest cunt in the universe, I'm pretty sure everyone knows that she is, but that some people are okay with it because they personally find her attractive.
>>672708854
I didn't say she wasn't.
>>672708630
he*
Also I've noticed South Park has suffered "Grand Theft Auto Writing Symptom". Which means what started out as smart, funny people writing for something they like and are passionate about slowly turned into a soulless cash machine.
It's easy to tell when a bunch of cynical, angry middle aged guys are writing for an age group they can't relate to.
>>672708966
Probably true. I mean it's true for a lot of other attractive people who aren't famous so why wouldn't it also be the case with her?
>>672708927
big bang theory; all seasons are season 2
>>672709008
*her
>>672698532
Last season was un-fucking-watchable. Had been watching that show since the beginning, came on when I was 16. Will never be able to watch it again. These last two seasons were the end for me, but last season especially.
It's obvious that they don't want to keep making episodes anymore, but only do so because comedy central keeps paying them, so they shit out garbage. Last season, it was OBVIOUS that they were doing it on PURPOSE. As if that were the joke, "hahaha, let's the make the episodes so intentionally bad, because people know we don't give a shit about it anymore, but then watch comedy central give us more money, that'll be hilarious!"
>>672708962
>complains that everyone is ignoring the bruce jenner murder
>tells anon to grow up because there are more important issues than bruce jenner murder
kek
>>672709088
You think the demo on South park is young? I doubt it. I'd. Bet it's 25-40. At this point I've become comfortable with south Park but I do feel like the writing jumped the shark somewhere around season 12. What's been edgy lately? Remember the wheel of fortune "Niggers!"? Making fun of Bruce Jenner isn't on that level.
>>672708666
>>672709252
Nah, You're Wrong.
>>672705569
What season was that?
>>672698532
>season 16
kek
>they ran out of SHIT after 16 seasons
>>672702398
I was extremely pissed at screenwriters that they never let House to mature, even a bit. No character development whatsoever, hell, everyone in the team matured or moved on in some way, just not him. It always pissed me off, to the point that I refused to watch the series finale, because I think House fucked up his life and every chance he got. Fuck, I`d settle for him embracing his relationship with Dominica, which started as a lie and almost turned into a real thing. And he fucked it up, too.
tl;dr: I`m uber pissed that House never stopped being scared little kid in aging, crippled body.
>>672709252
It's for the same reason TBS bought the sides to American Dad, and Adult Swim bought King Of The Hill before that.
In the internet era, cable TV is DYING. Every cable "network" is in desperate demand for at least ONE show that has a fanbase, and while these "networks" used to spread their money around, now they'll dump 90% of it on one show in hopes of just staying relevant and on the cable providers basic channel list.
>>672709406
Not a murder. Negligent homicide if anything. I was just responding to a post about her. You're the one who took it up a notch.
>>672702355
*fester
>>672709456
No, I'm not.
>>672698532
southpark was always a mixed bag for me. There are great episodes and there are crappy episodes. Didn't change much really, it's still like that.
>>672702042
That's always been the case, you just don't notice it because the things they are basing the episodes around are extremely old now
>>672709569
>bought the sides
rights*
>>672709490
I like how people get pissy because of "lack of character development" but fail to realize that not everyone IRL experiences character development. Dr. House was a shallow, self-pity party of a man and never grew out of the phase. D-D-D-D-D-D-D-Deal with it
>>672703838
agreed although the latest season seems to also be losing its spark
>>672709210
saying you're a woman and putting a dress on doesnt make you a woman. Painting yourself red and saying you're a firetruck doesnt make your capacity for water storage 500 gallons. He's a man, he has a dick, he fathered children and raised them as their father, he competed as a man in the olympics.
>>672708630
>>672709005
You can’t handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by transvestites…. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know, that the person in the car accidents death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don’t want the truth, because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like “honor,” “code,” “loyalty.” We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. - Caitlin Jenner
>>672709643
Except now every episode tries to continue off the last ones, stringing all the extreme shittiness along into the biggest giant pile of shit in T.V. history.
>>672709801
Sex and Gender Identity are two separate things.
>>672709595
>complains that everyone is ignoring the bruce jenner NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE
>tells anon to grow up because there are more important issues than bruce jenner NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE
kek
I fixed the post for you, but it seems like the point is still the same. Funny, huh?
>>672709808
That's delusional. How did the other person dying save anybody? Also you should use quotes next time you quote somebody.
>>672709850
they had that in the past. I don't really mind it if it's just a back plot tying episodes together.
>>672698532
South Park: Season 2, when it became clear that not only is the show just another preachy tv show that thinks of itself as a moral authority and its audience as actually being as mentally undeveloped as the 4th graders it depicts, not only has to use cardboard cutout style to simplify shit for your stupid asses, but just in case you're SOOO retarded you STILL can't get basic allegory, they'll actually stop the fucking show in every episode, cue the simplistic piano music, while Stan breaks the 4th wall to moralize directly into your face.
That's how stupid their intended audience actually is.
>>672709453
>>672708666
TRIPS CONFIRMED
ZOOEY IS A CUNT
>>672709490
that's like bitching that peter parker never stops being a socially awkward science nerd who only acts cool when he has his mask on. You're asking them to change the fundamental personality of a character who got popular for having that fundamental personality. The whole point of the show is that House was given every opportunity from every angle to grow up and he always chose the bad path, he always refused to grow as a person, and it cost him everything that was ever offered to him; AND THAT'S THE WAY HE WANTED IT, BECAUSE HE DIDN'T THINK HE DESERVED ANYTHING GOOD.
>>672710069
Like I said you brought it to that level. I never said that we should all be focusing solely on that. I only pointed out the hypocrisy of the whole situation.
Again, grow up little faggot.
>>672698532
South park has been hit and miss for me since around season 14 to 16 and beyond. You have your top tier episodes in each season and the rest are garbage. Still good time passer.
>>672710072
If what she said doesn't make sense to you, then you're a lost cause bitch.
>>672710092
Yeah and then it's nothing but a bunch of stupid libertarianism bullshit.
>harbucks coffee got to where it is today (crushing small town "competitors) by being the best, and that's what free market capitalism is for.
>>672703621
Comedy Central wouldn't have let the episode air if they didn't censor it. The very point of it was to show that they censor that stuff.
>>672708630
>Buckle up buckaroos! I love that they shat on her. She's technically responsible for someones death because she wasn't paying attention. But everyone is supposed to forget about that because she's so brave...
>She's technically responsible for someones death because
>everyone is supposed to forget about that because she's so brave.
>>672708962
>>672709595
>>672710231
Sorry that I didn't immediately realize you were doing damage control. It seemed sloppy, and I was like "What? There is no way this guy isn't reading his own posts. I mean, sure he might only be skimming my posts but he at least must know what is in his posts? Right? Right?"
>>672710228
Peter Parker is actually the opposite of that in the original cartoon series from the 90's. Although he is really good at science, he isn't a nerd. He has multiple girlfriends, social life, build of an athlete.
>>672709918
which will be why I said he has a dick, raised his children as their father and competed in the olympics as a man, then. These are all things that someone with a feminine gender identity would not want to do, because they are things that people with a masculine gender identity do. If you're a woman in a man's body you dont want to take the role of a father, you dont want to be the biggest, strongest, fastest man in the world and you arent happy about having a cock and balls. Which is why you act like a woman, get surgery and a bunch of other shit, to make you into the person you feel you are. Bruce Jenner just slammed a dress on because the rest of his family was getting more media attention than he was and he's an attention whore.
>>672708108
BUCKLE UP BUCKAROO!
>>672710295
I understand everything else. But how does a person dying in a car accident save anyone's life?? Answer: It doesn't. She's a criminal.
>>672698532
I disagree wholeheartedly. I miss the style but it is still golden.
>>672710713
You deserve to be locked up for your statement
>>672698675
Yeah, tbh I really like the new way seasons have a theme. Makes the show way more interesting rather than just silly fun.
>>672709918
Nope, it really isnt.
Because Jenner tried to sport a womanly silhouette and cleaveage.
If (s)he would be a woman just by identifying as one, why would (s)he have to match the sexual traits of a woman?....precisely, because the secondary sex characteristics determine the gender.
>>672710680
Whoops
Last 3 seasons of Sons of Anarchy were terrible. Was off to such a good start too. Season 3 and 4 were pretty bad too but watchable.
>>672710648
and that's a seperate tv show that ran for a handful of seasons 20 years ago. Not the established character of spiderman which undergoes periodic character development stages, then rollbacks to his original character because thats what people want to read. House couldnt sell his relationship with Cuddy to Mephisto to reset his character afterwards, so he just had to stay as the same person.
>>672709918
Go back to tumblr you fucking dolt.
>>672698675
Same this past season has been amongst my favorite seasons.
It came at the right time.
Not to mention I really dig the one season one story route they've gone with the past two years.
Year one was definitely testing the waters of a completely chronological in continuity season.
Last season perfected it.
I don't want South Park to change from this formula now.
>>672710228
Having said >>672710648
I do agree with your point, I think it's stupid to make Peter Parker black (apparently they are) just for some bullshit sjw crap. They should just make a new character OR make a movie from one of the hundreds of black marvel characters that exist
>>672710889
Yes 'THEY', really are.
>>672710875
Why? Explain to me why it would save someone's life for another to die in a wreck. Is it because someone else didn't have to die in their place? Why can't both live?
>>672710889
fuckin' A. If gender identity was seperate to sex, why is it that as soon as you say you actually identify as a woman you start to try and gain the physical appearance of a female?
>>672709773
>>672711125
Not a tumblerina. Why am I a dolt? If you can't recognize that biological sex and gender identity are two separate concepts, you are the dolt.
>>672711219
>pointing out an obvious typo
>evading the point
>>672709918
then why have a sex change operation?
>>672711204
They did make a new character, though.
For me it got really shit at the 'coon' episodes really shit so stopped watching
>>672711009
Separate TV show.. It's where the character comes from.
You are saying people shouldn't bitch to change the fundamental personality of a character, but then you described cases where the characters personality has been changed
>>672707114
>>672707180
>>672707230
NoFunAllowed.jpg
Sopranos. Once they used CGI for Tony's mom in that one scene (I think season 4?) the show went downhill.
>>672710889
Dude, that's fucking poetry right there
>>672711429
Not every one does that. They are related but still two separate things.
>>672711424
Not really, I just don't think I will ever convince you of anything so why would I even use my energy to get into it. The point is that you're wrong.
>>672698532
Coupling - After season 3 when Richard Coyle left.
>>672710974
>>672710680
BUCKLE UP BUCKAROO!
>>672711204
but they didnt make Peter Parker black. They made a new character to take up the role of Spider-Man after Peter Parker died, called Miles Morales. Who is a black mexican. He's a separate character, he is just called Spider-man in honour of Peter Parker (and of course because he also has a spider based powerset)
>>672710889
Obviously she's not a biological female. Are you thick? She identifies as a woman. Case in point fucking retard.
>>672711867
BUCKLE UP BUCKAROO!
>>672711924
Ahhhh thanks for filling me in anon, I thought it was another sjw movement ruining my childhood memories
>>672711597
Spiderman is a comic book character originally published in 1962. I know you're trolling, I just want to put it out there for anyone else reading this.
>>672711962
BUCKLE UP BUCKAROO!
>>672711950
Err yeah, no fucking shit.
But if people say that Sex and Gender are not connected, then why does Jenner try to look like a woman?
>>672700785
Honestly the woman who went on to replace the original female voice actress is better.
She to me is the actual voices, she s been the main female va for 95 of the show
So while it's sad to say that a troubled woman killed herself, her voice was easily replaceable.
Chef is a tool, and let's cults do his speaking and thinking for him.
He's now dead because of that.
South Park is like a roller coaster.
A roller coaster that may not have hit its highest peak yet considering last season was commercially met with praise by both fans and the media.
>>672712094
BUCKLE UP BUCKAROO!
>>672698675
I watch the shit out of sp. They didnt lose the spark but they definitely are hit and miss with some episodes..
>>672712195
BUCKLE UP BUCKAROO!
>>672712087
na that's stuff like them retconning it so the first person with the super soldier serum was black (so the REAL captain america was a black guy all along, guise. rly!) or making Thor into a woman for some reason.
>>672709252
What the fuck?
Last season was genius.
>>672711219
I shouldnt have to explain common sense to you anon. If you don't get it then you're retarded. Simple.
>>672712097
I guess to support her gender identity and make her more comfortable with herself. For the record not every tranny goes full blown cut off my dick. Caitlyn Jenner doesn't represent all gay people or whatever inbetween. I do think that culturally, she did a good thing though.
>>672698532
I remember back when season 6 came out and everybody was saying the show was dead.
south park is pretty fucking consistent tho
>>672700308
i would go back all the way to season 7. After that you can guess whatever outcome a episode has.
>>672701382
So one of the best seasons (5) is when you bailed.
Right.
Fuck off.
You didn't quit before or after five you quit during five.
Nigga you are really dumb.
>>672712314
No I think you don't know what the fuck you're talking about and trying to save face. If you can't intelligently respond to what I'm saying, you lose the argument. Plain and Simple.
>>672698532
South Park - Around Season 1*
Fixed it for you Anon.
>>672711839
that wasn't my question. I didn't ask "does everyone do that?" I asked "why do they do that?"
if sex and gender are two separate things, then why have a sex change operation? what does biological sex matter? it just seems odd to me that someone would go through such lengths to resemble physically the opposite sex just to then say that "biological gender isn't important."
>>672712511
And * are.
INB4 you twats shove it in my face.
>>672698532
Imagination land. That hunk of shit was the start of their downward slide
>>672712559
Because it supports their gender identity. Some feel more of a need to go to those lengths than others.
Armin motherfuckin' Tamzarian
>>672712302
>making Thor into a woman
>Batman v Superman
>Wonderwoman
kek
>>672712291
BUCKLE UP BUCKAROO!
>>672712511
Jesus dude, it's a line by Jack Nicholson from the movie A Few Good Men.
I hate Caitlin Jenner with a passion, irrespective of the life she took she deserves to die, fuck that slut.
SP's last season is like watching a 5 hs movie. It's pretty well done, and it's funny that they take on recent events, as quickly as they can.
>>672712839
Yeah I got "You can't handle the truth!" part. I was talking about the caitlyn Jenner quote.
>>672701839
this
>>672712683
But if female Sex characteristics support a female gender identity, how are the 2 not inherently connected?
>>672712839
This is the person that Caitlin Jenner murdered. where is her justice?
Hated all the episodes of south with PC Principle. They all felt phoned in.
>>672712950
You should watch "making southpark". Trey does it all in like 3 days. Matt dosent do shit.
>>672712683
but why? if their gender identiy does not conform to the biological gender of their body, then how can biological gender matter? if they don't feel like a "male" and identify as a "female" but were born with a "male" body, then why do they not also reject the idea that "females" must look like "females" and "males" must look like "males" in order to be normal? Are they not living proof that biological gender is meaningless, and therefore undermining their own position when they conform to biological gender?
>>672698532
Gane of thrones season 1 episode 1
>>672712976
The entire thing is by Jack Nicholson. I changed it to be from a tranny point of view.
"You can’t handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns…. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know, that Santiago’s death, while tragic, probably saved lives."
>>672713030
They are. But that doesn't mean that they are one thing. At least I would assume they are. Certain anthropologists might disagree.
>>672712945
BUCKLE UP BUCKAROO!
>>672713091
There is no justice.
>>672713237
BUCKLE UP BUCKAROO!
>>672713211
ahhhhhhh. Thank you. I've never seen that movie, in my defense.
>>672713229
Fair enough
>>672713328
BUCKLE UP BUCKAROO!
>>672713149
Yeah, I should. I was looking for a "documentary-type" of thing because even if it's pretty simple how they do what they do, you don't know it.
>>672713091
see
>>672708962
grow up.
>>672705566
They even talk about it on the commentary tracks. The pilot took them something like 6 months.
Insane amount of work for really poor quality. But the unique looks gave them recognition.
>>672711510
The 'Coon' episodes are fucking hot garbage, but I love me some MINT BERRY CRUNCH!!!!
>>672713347
I love you anon. I would never defend Caitlin Jenner, it's a dumb fucking whore that deserves to die.
Also, watch A few good men - great movie!
>>672713175
Biological sex. How could sex not be important? It's literally how we reproduce. Without it we would not exist. Also to answer your question, there are many who do reject this idea. But it is a spectrum. Not everyone is the same.
>>672713229
if a cisgender gets a sex change operation, are they still cis? or is the change considered superficial?
>>672713407
Grow up.
>>672704701
Confirmed newfag
>inb4
Fucking means you expect what you inb4 to happen fuckstain
>>672713435
That's right, I remember Matt Stone saying it took 6 months but it all they could afford at the time. Brilliant guys those two
>>672713617
God, I don't fucking know. All these new terms kind of just piss me off if I'm being honest. I don't know why we have to quantify everything. But no they wouldn't be cis because the definition of cis is to be content with the sex and gender identity you were born with. If you felt the need to get a sex change operation it would mean you aren't content with one or both of those.
>>672705842
They keep moving the finish line back and back.
>it suffers from the same symptoms of DBZ
They keep powering up every villain so There's a challenge
>>672713556
I am asking you why biological sex isn't important. If you now agree that it is important, then please elaborate on:
>>672709918
Sex and Gender Identity are two separate things
If they are separate, then what does any of this even mean?
>>672702178
exactly what i was thinking. if anything the show has gotten 10x better then early seasons.
