What do you think about Christianity?
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What do you think about Christianity?
>>672369103
Christian myself. Love God
>>672369670
Simple minded hypocrite detected.
>>672369103
Roman psy-op campaign gone out of control.
>>672369882
Well put.
>>672369829
Worthless fedora-tipping euphoric smarter-than-thou cunt detected.
>>672369829
gay minded
faggot detected
all religious dicks are retards
>>672369829
And who are you then?
>>672370067
>>672369103
Good stories with good morals at the end of the stories. Not to confuse morals with everyday values; the other kind of morals. Christianity has also played an important part in AA and Christmas presents so, yeah. Good stuff; 9/10. Also, see Aesop.
Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
>>672369829
Simple minded hypocrite detected
>>672370169
I'm God, you cuck faggot.
>>672370261
Better than the pedophile mohammed and his murder campaigns
>>672369103
they killed jesus soo idk thats all i can think and it seems like they shoulda not killed jesus... like if he died for our sins why isnt anything fixed? the jews killed him cause they know he would disprove their demonic culture... idk jesus died and so did hitler.. in the end is life fair we must wonder what would we have to do in order to make life be truely fair, what hurdles must we cross...
>>672369103
Always look on the bright side of life...
>>672370280
>fiction
>make sense
>pick one
>>672370361
You're just another fool who is going to burn in hell forever
>>672369670
Serious question though... if you are a Christian who loves god, why are you on a message board that shows nothing but porno and the worst of what humanity has to offer?
>>672370658
To be a light in the darkness
>>672370560
I think he means that he is a reflection of god. the only way to find god is within yourself so thus once you find him and believe me you know when it kinda makes you god as well just not almighty ya hurr
>>672370658
why not?
I think Christianity is pretty cool guy. Eh fights the devil and doesn't afraid of anything.
>>672369103
I don't think about it
>>672369103
>staring at pics of a naked guy on a piece of bdsm furniture
Well OP, it's pretty fucking gay.
>>672370802
We are nothing like God, so that's wrong
>>672369103
System of control intended to control the lower class and provide a way of convincing people suffering that their problems are only part of some elaborate test before they get to have it good aswell.
>>672369103
Christ betrays me with every notion of his grace
I am not in accordance with these plans
Nor do I care for there grandiose ideals of peace and longevity in a perfect world
I want to strip heaven of all its glory and tear down the stars
>>672369670
I bet you shave, you heretic.
>>672371301
If you could see what heaven looks like you would shit yourself
>>672370067
He says, while declaring himself the superior person.
Atleast he isn't sitting around holding his hands together and hoping that fairies and magic is gonna fix all their problems.
The only reason you're a christian, is because your parents forced to you to be, and now you've accepted it and you're desperately trying to justify "your own choice".
You're brainwashed, and you're actually the victim of systematic insanity.
Murderers
>>672369103
Nice and kind with all the forgiveness and Jesus being a real buddy.
Still has some slightly screwed up morals, though.
>>672369103
CLEARLY A PACIFIST RELIGION
>>672371505
Already made paradise
>>672369829
>>love god
>>autism
not very well meme'd
>>672369882
/thread
>>672371305
We live under grace now. All old testament including the book of leviticus is void. Only Jews still live under Law. So eat pork, shave, mix fabrics whatever. Most of the commandments were abolished with the comming of Christ as well.
>>672369103
It holds elements of the truth, but not the whole picture. I believe Jesus existed, but not in his deity. He was a figure more like the Buddha. 90%+ of Christians are not Christ-like.
>>672371899
Its above you, not here
bull shit
>>672371711
People are in charge of themselves. God can't create a brick wall suddenly to stop a murder. What would be the point of free will if all our problems were just Magicked away. We need faith, not magic. You have to create your own destiny, not hope some God created one for you.
>>672370422
>Better than the pedophile mohammed and his murder campaigns
Yes, yes, yes, indeed (no sarcasm).
Thanks to Christianity, Europe looks different than, for example, Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia (inb4 rich country, I'm talking about law and customs).
I'm not Christian, but you must be stupid not to realize how many good things came from that religion. Compassion, forgiveness, giving second chance, taking care of weak/sick people. It's much better than fucked up sharia law in islamic countries where you can legally rape children.
>Yes, I know that many priests are pedophiles. >Yes, I know that Inquisition happened.
>Yes, I know that Bible is work of fiction.
>Yes, I know my English skills are potato and I'm a faggot that should kill himself.
>>672372334
No
It isnt
God will not answer to me
I reject all he has to offer other than this
I weep for my punishment
> chrisian cucks getting salty and saying Islam is bad even though bible has the same "KILL nonbeöievers" horseshit.
>>672372517
Bible does not have that. Only old testament, but as said, Law is gone. Everything before the book of Mark is nothing more than a history book.
i believe in God (alpha&omega, creator of everything there ever was and will be, everything worships him/her/it, even nature, animals and niggers) and gods (alien creatures that were advanced, compared to ancient civilizations on Earth).
Church?
it's a traditional religion in my country. if i was born in Arabia, I'd be muslim, i guess...or jewish. doesn't matter.
>>672372502
have you said anything to God at all in your life?
Luke 17:20-21
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
>not realizing Jesus taught Eastern religion concepts of self deity and pantheism
>>672369103
it endorses sheep like mentality
>Christianity as antiquity.-- When we hear the ancient bells growling on a Sunday morning we ask ourselves: Is it really possible! This, for a jew, crucified two thousand years ago, who said he was God's son? The proof of such a claim is lacking. Certainly the Christian religion is an antiquity projected into our times from remote prehistory; and the fact that the claim is believed - whereas one is otherwise so strict in examining pretensions - is perhaps the most ancient piece of this heritage. A god who begets children with a mortal woman; a sage who bids men work no more, have no more courts, but look for the signs of the impending end of the world; a justice that accepts the innocent as a vicarious sacrifice; someone who orders his disciples to drink his blood; prayers for miraculous interventions; sins perpetrated against a god, atoned for by a god; fear of a beyond to which death is the portal; the form of the cross as a symbol in a time that no longer knows the function and ignominy of the cross -- how ghoulishly all this touches us, as if from the tomb of a primeval past! Can one believe that such things are still believed?
from Nietzsche's Human, all too Human
>>672373132
Think symbolism
>>672371126
so then you are evil. What does it mean to be like god? well it means to be good plain and simple. if you are bad you turn away from him and doing good slowly beocomes more difficult but if you face him (just look over your shoulder hes standing right there) you can learn to cope and start doing whats right. thats what i mean
>>672372453
nice!
I like the bits with Jesus and lot
>>672373443
Yes I am evil. This is something I accept as fact
But to see my creator over my shoulder would be the greatest accomplishment of my life
Basically that would sum it up
>>672373692
You will have that once. Just once. And it won't be in the way you want it. I hope it is as enjoyable as you hope, I really do.
>>672373051
Everyday
Worship
Plead
Beg
Rarely question
Love his work
>>672373289
>think symbolism
still endorses sheep like mentality
>Doubt as sin.-- Christianity has done its utmost to close the circle and declared even doubt to be sin. One is supposed to be cast into belief without reason, by a miracle, and from then on to swim in it as in the brightest and least ambiguous of elements: even a glance towards land, even the thought that one perhaps exists for something else as well as swimming, even the slightest impulse of our amphibious nature- is sin! And notice that all this means that the foundation of belief and all reflection on its origin is likewise excluded as sinful. What is wanted are blindness and intoxication and an eternal song over the waves in which reason has drowned.
from Nietzsche's Daybreak
>
The compassionate Christian.-- The reverse side of Christian compassion for the suffering of one's neighbor is a profound suspicion of all the joy of one's neighbor, of his joy in all that he wants to do and can.
from Nietzsche's Daybreak
It is a good way to make money and get people to help you do it
>>672373835
I hope it will end up the way it was meant to be for me
Religion is a mental illness.
Honestly, of all faiths, the risk of being wrong in Christianity is the least. Every other system, even atheism has a huge risk factor in comparison if your zealotry is misplaced.
>>672373289
symbolism will lead you to destruction... logic combined with faith and a will to move forword are what people need. though symbolically that represents sucess in its entirety. your not a child you should know.
>>672373872
So its a one-way conversation?
It's silly
>>672374203
Have you ever had an internal monologue? Was it not productive? Talking with God is much the same. In all respects
>>672374096
youlll be surprised. some people gt more from him than others. I went through a really tough life it wasnt fair to me but i did not look to god for help, i just expected life to reward me. when i locked in on him i felt a quiver as he emapthized my pain and like warm sand on the beach i felt like i was laying in warmth that formed perfectly to me. you will be very happy when this comes to you.
>>672374510
this is true when you speak to god only look to fell his response he cannot directly speak because he has no mouth and he cant appear cause he has not structer only allness
>>672374609
I can hope for something like that
>>672374172
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZpJ7yUPwdU
>>672371301
That's great, Anon.
When are you turning 14, again?
>>672374780
feel.
>>672374510
God will speak to us any way he wants
>>672374203
No
He is good to me
What happens is not ok with me
And I think about lucifer
I dont want hell to exist for anything or anyone
I know things that are bad
I do bad
But I love everything to much to agree with erasing this world and casting people away
You know what I mean?
I was catholic for 12 years of my life and it fucked me up, so I personally have an aversion to it, but if that's the religion you wanna follow then fine but don't try to force people to believe what you believe.
>>672369103
gentle poison
always fatal
>>672369103
The beginning of the end for Europe.
God reinforces our stability and makes things clear.. you will find him on the right and on the left you will find your intuition.
>>672372810
>>672372810
THE OLD TESTAMENT IS PART OF THE BIBLE!!
>>672375208
>makes things clear
can he fix my computer?
>>672375073
Hell (according to the holy scriptures) was made for satan, not for us. But we who follow him are going there with him because we turned our back on God.
Its either follow Christ or money, and yes I know what you mean.
We live in a galaxy that is 100,000 light years across, with 100 billion stars in it. Most of those stars will have planets.
And that is just our galaxy. There are about 100 billion galaxies. But on our planet, God made Man, and there is an epic supernatural struggle going on between good/evil and god/devil? And god had a son named Jesus who had to die so god could let us in heaven? What does god dying have to do with ability to forgive sin or letting us into heaven? If god is all-powerful, couldn't he have just made it so with a wave of his hand? Is the whole humongous universe only for us? Or does god have children on some of the trillion other planets? Why did god make us anyway, was he just bored? Giving us instincts opposite his orders was supposed to be great fognl entertainment? Why was he fucking around with dinosaurs for millions of years? This is just the beginning of my questions. It seems likely that christianity is just an invention by ancient peoples who didn't know any better.
>>672370547
But fiction can make sense...
>>672374780
Christmas lives in us, through us, by us. The Holy Spirit resides in us, his holy temple that he created in His likeness
>>672372810
"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.…
Old testament law was not to be changed but fulfilled your own prophet and saviour.
>>672375672
I dont think I turned my back on god
So much as I want to save Lucifer from hell
I see him as gods betrayed son
If he was made for a purpose then why torment him?
Why not make believe in what god does?
Im confused and dont want hell to exist
It's fucking stupid /thread
>>672369103
not a fan. They steal traditions and don't let people be themselves
>>672375781
If you create something, don't you have the right to control how it goes or doesn't go without anyone else telling you how it should be done?
Depends. It's a good way for the church to make money. As a system to actually achieve happiness or peace, or as Christianity calls it salvation, it's pretty bad because everyone distorted the teachings, even from the moment the apostles copied the sayings of Jesus and interpreted them in their own ways.
....... Not Much....
from: Catholic Alterboy...
Now: Athiest
>>672375492
Then READ IT!!! IT STRAIGHT UP TELLS YOU NOT TO LISTEN TO THE WHOLE FIRST HALF!!!
>>672369103
A dikhead like any other back in those days that liked to drink and fuck hookers and finally got nailed to a tree, not that big of a deal.
>>672376161
THEN WHY IS IT THERE?
>>672369103
I'm a Christian and it sucks if your goal is to fuck bitches make money
>>672375928
Fulfilled by him, changed, for us.
>>672376240
I DUNNO MAN, PRETTY TRICKY RIGHT?
>>672369103
Whole religion based on a book, which was based on oral traditions and writings of much earlier civilizations. Said book was written by people who had a very poor understanding of the natural phenomena and just passed unexplainable phenomena as supernatural.
>>672376017
Hell was made because Lucifer revolted against the trinity, raised his own army and was thrown from heaven as fast as lightning, so God gave angels their own free-will.
God gave you your own free-will, but be warned how you use it. Lucifer is the example of how not to be
... Religious Orgs should pay Taxes like the rest of us... Instead of stealing money from Suckers
>>672376240
History, context, how can you solve a quadratic equation if you can't pemdas?
>>672376149
I'm in the same boat as . I went to a catholic private school and went to church and sunday school every week until I was 8. Even though I was surrounded by Catholicism my entire early life, I just didn't believe.
>>672369103
It's a crutch that people use to avoid taking personal responsibility for their actions. Instead, the answer of "God willed it" is much more convenient. However, Christ's teachings about how to treat your fellow man are admirable.
>>672376395
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>>672376478
The reason why they don't pay taxes is because churches also do a ton of charity. Even the catholic churches give money to the poor.
>>672376752
Its nice to be able to say that a power higher than I has things in control.
How about you, atheist?
>>672376468
I dont have free will
I cant fight
Im taught to fight against things I have already failed to overcome
It seem ridiculous
I cant do anything but reject what god did and what hell is
I try
>>672377035
Yes, it might be nice to be able to say that. Yet, when you do something incredibly shitty to someone else, and then say it was God's will that you commit that act, then what does that say about your Lord? To me, he's pretty shitty as well.
In answer to your question, no, I'm not an atheist. I have much more nature-oriented/druidic views when it comes to religion.
>>672377164
Instead of reject everything, you should accept something for once
Accept Christ as your savior
>>672377323
Doing an act and claiming a gods will does not condemn to god. Especially if the only basis for the act was incorrectly applied indoctrination. Being a tool isn't the same as being a prophet or a martyr. Just means people are fucker up. God has no part in that.
>>672377549
I accept the fact that no spooky Jew ghost watches me masturbate.
>>672377323
Jesus is the only way
>>672377549
I accept everything
And it scares me like you wouldn't believe
Christ does not sit well with me
Even when hell present itself
Its like I was made to be in conflict
I can pretend to accept christ like most Christians do
>>672377676
Everything will be made known
Only people with low IQ's or niggers take Christianity or any religion seriously. HUR it's written in a book it must be true DUR.
Using this same autistic "reasoning" one could conclude that Spiderman is real because they saw him in a comic book.
>>672377676
Ill watch you masturbate
>>672377617
God's will that you commit an atrocious act, but it doesn't condemn him for willing you to commit said act? Sounds like bullshit to me. Enjoy your Christ-Koolaid
>>672377676
Its not a jew ghost, its a being/force/consciousness that created everything, experiences everything and enjoys it.
There is no right or wrong, good or bad. It just is, and you are a part of it.
>>672377702
Yeah, that's why Christianity is the only world religion.
>>672377918
You may get a rude awaking on this one
>>672372453
well said anon
>>672377035
Not the person you responded to, but i don't believe things are in need of any sort of control. That would be assuming things are out of control or will be and really thats just mans perception on the state of things. To each their own though as neither view is incorrect.
>>672378047
That's what every religion says.
>>672370658
They were right about the pope being a pedophile afterall
>>672377968
Free will means free will. If you're "willed" into it, you no longer have free will. He can't force you to make bad descisions. You do that to yourself.
>>672372517
As an orthdox chrsitian, i only look to the new testament.
The old doesn't concern us.
>>672378243
But God is in control of everything else, down to the minute aspects of existence?
>>672369103
Christianity is amazing and Christ's teachings are literally one of the best things of this planet. I wonder when they are actually going to put them into practice
>>672377889
Jesus is the only way.
He shouldn't be scary, people over the millennia have made it scary but Jesus isn't meant to be. He is a beacon to us, a way of truth and light
>>672371305
I do
>>672378443
That's what every religion says. You have nothing.
>>672378443
He isnt scary
None of this is scary
Fear is scary
Eternal suffering is scary
Jesus seems alright
Just betrayed like lucifer
Meant to suffer for gods bidding
>>672378421
He is not in control. He could be, but isnt. That would contradict everything, even the ABILITY to sin. You can create subjects to worship you, then move marionette strings to make them do the thing. That's not worship. That's mimicry.
>>672378421
Not in direct control as you are of objects near you..
>>672378704
So if he's not in control, and makes a choice to not be, does that truly make him a God?
>>672377035
>Its nice to be able to say that a power higher than I has things in control.
What does this even mean on a practical level?
Its not like you don't mitigate risk on your own -- you wear a seat belt, rinse of your veggies before eating, wash hands after shitting, look both ways, don't send nigerian prince's your ssn, etc...
For all the talk of god's will and god's plan, it looks suspiciously like how things would go regardless.
I see it in the hospital all the time.
"He's cured, thank the Jesus its a miracle"
"Yes, and we gave him antibiotics that have been proven through multiple trials to be effective."
And wouldn't you know, the drugs work equally well on non-religious patients.
>>672378704
I think he means "cant"
>>672369103
as retarded as any other religion out there. theyre all same shit to me
>>672378840
So then does that mean "God" is actually a God?
>>672369103
Not a believer myself, but the best thing about Christendom, is the fact it brought us the Crusades. Too bad they weren't effective, but atleast they tried.
>>672369103
Fake and gay
Sauce for pic OP?
>>672378895
Creation and the ideology of perfection and the power to create are the main ideals that separate us and him. And, you know, immortality
Christ is Risen.
>>672376061
In the words of Professor Falken "But does it make any sense???"
And if it doesn't make any sense, then on what basis do you choose any religion or belief over another. Why choose christianity over islam or hinduism or shinto or scientology.
More to your point though, does a being owe you its fealty, just from the fact you created it? That is a fundamental religious question. Also applicable to sentient robots. Or what about children created by their parents? Children have to do what their parents say, but not for their whole lives, only until they grow up.
>>672378704
Well, it was actually "Lucifer" who gave is the ability of critical thinking and thus the ability to not worship God, if we so choose to.
I'm not a religion-fag, but I'm pretty sure that's how the bible justifies it. I never read it.
>>672379225
So if a human were to attain perfection, immortality, and the ability to create (whatever that means), then would said human be God?
>>672378001
The holy spirit is a spooky jew ghost. It's a fucking spirit.
>>672377956
no thanks buddy
>>672379426
>it alters the whole of human behavior
What? The vast majority of Christians in America are middle-class suburbanites.
99.999% of what they do on a daily basis has no bearing on religion.
Its not like Christians are walking on their hands, eating through their ass, and laughing at murder. Christians are just regular people who believe some extra, most irrelevant, shit.
Christianity amounts to, roughly, like 9 extra rules that everybody wouldn't have to follow.
>>672379056
But not as an old man in the sky...
More like an eternal supreme being, like nature. Or a force, that we are all a part of.
It does not work directly, but in slow steps, kinda like waiting for the stars to get in the right position...
>>672369103
Christians are just slaves to the Holy Roman Empire. Long collapsed and people are still buying into their bullshit that they made up.
>>672379858
How about some overarching math equation that describes all of existence?
>>672379479
We were intended as worship subjects, then given the apple, learned shame and critical thinking, all of which evolved into free will. Instead of destroying his beloved creation, he redirected them. They were no longer "perfect". Thus forever instilling choice. Then again, we also didn't have to worry about money or really anything before that either.
>>672379681
It is only 1/3 of God tho
>>672370101
>can iron felix return home
NEIN
Why isn't /b storming in here and destroying these Christfags? For fucks sake you guys are on the same level as nogs and SJW's with your reasoning. The only reason you're Xians is because you were born in a western county and have taken grown-up fairy tails seriously. In fact, being on 4Chan in the first place is a "sin" because your own "holy" book commands you not to mingle with non-believers. Did you think this was Reddit?
>>672379562
To our limited understanding, or course.
>>672379989
Why not?
>>672380077
So if he redirected his creations, was it truly free will?
>>672379855
If the leaves of the tree wither; would you cut it at the root?
>>672380189
So then is the Christian God actually a God if man can potentially attain those attributes which supposedly distinguish God and man?
>>672369103
That some are very kind and thoughtful people, and the most deliciously wholesome females that make me almost regret being such a glorious heathen. Others are just as loud and obnoxious as the fat neckbeard atheists whose perpetual bickering slows humanity's progress forward.
gay medieval bondage - this is what you believe in /b/ ?
>>672380228
Maybe the whole alien being the gods and god shit is real
That would make all of this rational
It seems like a well placed ruse to divide and conquer another thing
>>672380077
In which fucking way is your story more believable than Islam, Hindu or lets even say old Greek?
>>672379892
> As if human beings can decide what is virtuous
God is the wellspring of all that is good and virtuous.
>>672380586
OK Euthyphro
They should put this on your bibles. Why the fuck would anyone teach this shit to children?
>>672369103
Your Christian wife is likely a whore who has even drunken many mens penis reliefs for no money. At least whores and slaves must do such things to live your woman of America and Europe do this things to with purpose sin and deny Allah.
I would take you as a concubine and will relief to your picture. May you be my slave one day!
>>672380164
Holy book actually tells us to mingle with sinners. We have to recognize that we are sinners too and we can't be better than human. And why should we be? What's wrong with being human. Being Christian does not make me better than you. Just makes me different than you. I could in fact be worse than you and be christian. It's not for me to judge. I'm just here to spread the word. Take it as you will
>>672380710
As a Christian, i agree.
>>672372453
For later reference
>>672380471
> Hindu
Historical support
> Islam
Scriptural support
>>672369103
Believe whatever you want. I don't care as long as you don't try to push your beliefs on to others. Also children should be allowed to choose religion for themselves after being educated about different types. I personally am an atheist because religious texts tend to be contradictory and dismiss evidence that doesn't support their teachings and that irritates me.
>>672376468
Why he do this?
>>672369103
as a Muslim
Jesus Christ is our prophet as named Hz.İsa Mesih
christians lost their faith by making İsa as their god just like Hz.Joseph's, Hz.David's or Hz.Moses's followers.
They turned aside the way just like Muslims about to do
>>672380339
>If the leaves of the tree wither; would you cut it at the root?
Talk straight.
>>672380228
If you only have two paths, and you choose left for whatever reason, whatever the influence, you still walk it. Of course it's still free will. They could have rebelled and died. Instead they walked out of the garden of eden.
>>672381084
It only makes it more true for me.
Not the person, but the story..
>>672380967
Answer my question. Why should your religion be the right one of all the other thousands of religions?
>>672381078
Your phrophet is a fraud who saought to undermine Christianity.
Explain if you will why Christ was not crucified despite it being the one historical event historians can almost uanimously agree on about his life?
>>672381254
What if his creations didn't want to be re-directed?
>>672369103
Better then Islam but that is't saying much.
>>672380371
Isn't that the whole point of luciferism? To attain individual perfection to surpass the power of God? Of course it's possible. Good luck though. There's more down that path than I ever want to know.
>>672379681
This is not an episode of Scooby Doo
>>672381378
>Explain if you will why Christ was not crucified despite it being the one historical event historians can almost uanimously agree on about his life?
The crucifixion is like the only historically accurate point. Everything else up to and afterwards is muddled garbage.
>>672380727
Does your pastor know you spend time on /b or does he suck your tiny Jew dick while you browse for loli?
>>672369103
It was useful at a time, but we need to move on. Most people understand what it means to be a good person these days without having to believe nonsense. But if people want to believe it, cool, just don't like you're better than everyone for it, and definitely dont push to make it law. The shitty part is that too many christians do push to make their beliefs law, so we can't really be so accepting of it anymore.
>>672381339
http://rzim.org/just-thinking/think-again-deep-questions
> Taking it a step further, the three tests for truth must be applied to any worldview: logical consistency, empirical adequacy, and experiential relevance. When submitted to these tests, the Christian message is utterly unique and meets the demand for truth.
>>672369103
A religion based on the beliefs of other religions created to try to control the whole world. Worked well until the end of the dark ages.
>>672379989
The grand unifying theory. "The theory of everything". We'd need to create the conditions at the beginning of the universe, where it was too hot for mass to exist. We couldn't even build it on earth.
>>672380471
Islam is the flips ide to christianity. Read both books and outline their projected futures and divided histories. They are identical. Their savior is our anntichrist. Hinduism is real too, just all in secular power and internal balance. I don't know enough about old Greek to criticize, but I'm sure there's some founding to it as well.
>>672381753
So then do we know that such a thing exists? And if yes, then how do we know?
>>672381683
There is no "moving on"
>>672369103
le [s4s] rade
>>672381917
What thing? A unifying theory?
>>672381753
>We'd need to create the conditions at the beginning of the universe, where it was too hot for mass to exist. We couldn't even build it on earth.
The Large-Hadron Collider can produce temps and pressures that existed about a millionth of a second after the moment of creation.
>>672382055
le [s4s] rade
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>>672381378
He was given DIRECT truth from Allah. Isa`s mission was undermined by the Jews who would not listen and the kafurs who wanted one more god the jesus god for rome.
You will see if you are alive when the Prophet PBUH and Iza return.
>>672381939
Of course there is. It's having no religion because we don't need it.
>>672382058
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>>672381639
Nope.
>>672381683
Lol
>implying one can achieve greater things than perfect unity...
>>672382125
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>>672382076
I'm talking about 10^-38s after creation
>>672382058
Yes
>>672380967
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>>672382189
>perfect unity
What is that referring to?
>>672378903
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http://catholicarrogance.org/RC_MasterMenuIntro.html
Nuff said.
>>672373976
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>>672382300
God
>>672369670
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>>672369829
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>>672382125
You have turned Christ into a coward who let an innocent man die in his place.
>>672369882
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>>672381730
Well I'm sorry but no fucking religion meets those points, and most certainly not christianity
>>672370022
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>>672382456
How is believing in a god perfect unity? I don't see the significance.
>>672370067
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>>672370101
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>>672382705
Finally a non cancer tread, and this shit comes up
>>672370167
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>>672382220
Well, yeah. That's what Steven hawking did to make himself famous. But the problem is that our math doesn't work when you go all the way back to the beginning. Physics can't explain the first moment, because it was so hot that the 4 fundamental forces we're one super force and matter couldn't even exist.
>>672370169
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>>672370208
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>>672381386
They would have fought his direction
>>672382156
If you don't need God, you're fucked
>>672382910
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>>672382591
Read the article and do some studying.
If at the end you still believe as you do; at least you will have a stronger basis to deny it.
>>672370280
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>>672382885
>That's what Steven hawking did to make himself famous
No it isn't. Nobody has figured out a unifying theory.
>>672381680
my tiny dick doesn't even make him gag
>>672382885
So our math doesn't work, we can't prove something exists, and so we don't know it exists? What if there really is no unifying theory? What if existence is meaningless?
>>672377323
>druidic
Lol
>>672382971
So you think that it's better to believe in god than to be a good person?
>>672382165
Yep.
Its not hard to see.
Take an event, like the trial.
Place the gospels side by side, and see how they differ as things go on. In one, the trial is quick, jesus says very little, and in another, there are long philosophical discussions.
You could even just read each gospel individual -make outlines of what happens, when, why, and to what extent, and then come back to each gospel comparing notes.
But equally importantly, notice how they are similar ---especially with Matthew and Mark. Its word-for-word in some places.
>>672373976
>God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?
Nietzsche, The Gay Science
>>672382695
God is unity, there is nothing greater to "move on" to...
But if you were talking about religion as an organization, i agree..
John 3:16
God is the non contigent ground of all being.
Ipsum Esse
He is a God of giving and no one personifies this more than Jesus Christ.
Jesus was not a person, but a mushroom. Christianity was a mushroom cult that the Romans eradicated from the earth. What few christians remained kept the secret and gathered at the Council of Nicea to form a new and old testament and the basis from Christianity as we know it today.
>>672383224
>we can't prove something exists, and so we don't know it exists?
Gravity happens in really small places. There is some physics going on there. So it exists, they just don't know how it works.
>What if there really is no unifying theory?
Its possible --it could just be a bunch of different forces that are unknown.
But generally -science tends to combine things. So, Newton combined observations of an apple falling, the tides swelling, and the motion of the moon into a single theory.
Completely different observations, but united by a single theory. It could have been 3 different theories.
>>672383224
On earth, our meaning of life is to give on our genes.
On the bigger scale, you could say that humans are just fucking useless. Are you so scared of having no reason for life?
>>672382544
AND I can slowly explain to you so you hopefully get it.... The Prophet PBUH was given direct visions and truths from Allah and those revelations were written DOWN near the end of his life. Chirstian texts were written down at best 100 years after Iza`s life and are full of holes. There are four or five different versions of Iza`s life in your bible all false and all disagree with one another named after the men who WROTE THEM. The Text of the Quran on the other hand was directly inspired by Allah through Visions and by interactions with Angels. We read it in the original language which helps us avoid misinterpretation of the Quran unlike you silly christians.
>>672382165
The New Testiment is a collection of forgeries and false attributions. This isn't my opinion, this has been discovered by biblical scholars. I recommend you read a book called, "Forged" by Bart Ehrman. It oes over everything in detail. Not only were the books written in times when the author could not possibly have been there, but the apostles at the time wouldn't have even been literate, so how could they write a book? Even priests in the Vatican acknowledge that the bible is made up.
>>672383338
But you are sayong there is basis for truth in them are you not?
The earliest documents are Pauls epistles which date within twenty years of Christs death.
Christianity grew at an exponential rate not because of the Gospels but by word of mouth.
The Death, Divinity and Resurrection of Jesus are all important and are what what the early christians knew.
>>672372810
it's all fake anyways... who gives a fuck
>>672383833
Not scared at all. Just asking questions about potential scenarios.
>>672383442
I disagree. I think someone's belief in something that makes them act right isn't better than someone just knowing how to act right. You think it's great because you believe in it, but you're biased.
>>672369103
Christianity is ghey
>>672382695
>How is believing in perfect unity, god?
>ftfy
>>672383954
Axtually the Quaran was written over the span of you prophets lifetime and changed as time went on.
Also' other versions of the Quran existed before they were gathered together and burned by an early Caliph.
If your text was so holy; why would they burn them?
I don't think about it
>>672384007
>. I recommend you read a book....
Anybody who has actually read the NT knows its not all apostle eye-witnesses. Luke comes out states he got it from other people:
Luke 1:1
>Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilleda among us, 2just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.
Notice what he doesn't say ---he doesn't say the apostles wrote something. What he says is that apostles have handed down tradition that was then later formed into accounts by prior writers.
This guy, having tried to do some research (but never quotes his sources, like an asshole), tries to write an orderly account.
Does Luke think he is writing a more accurate version? What is wrong with the previous accounts?
He clearly is using Mark as a source, why does he never mention this?
Conclusion:
Fuck this guy, if this was written today as a history thesis, he would get at best, a D.
>>672383115
Hawking proposed it. The reason why we don't have a unifying theory is because our rules of physics don't apply before the first tiny moment.
>>672383224
Well maybe there is. You see when the universe is cold and no all the matter has decayed into energy, there is may be soemthing to do with a quantum ripple (?) in some force field which covers the entire universe and rewrites the laws of physics all at once. There are rules out there that are governing our rules.
>>672382125
Just when I thought this couldn't generate more kek's in comes the shitskin terrorist in training lurking on /b looking for more shitskins to spread the "peace" of Islam.
>>672384497
The same reason the CIA burns American Flags because putting them in the Garbage would be dishonoring.
But seriously the text was a single unified TRUTH. Errors are not permitted and so the imperfect copies were destroyed. We`re talking comas here versus there... not TOTALLY different facts like the false stories of the life of Isa in your Bible.
>>672384285
I agree.
If the final action (acting right) is the same, i think it does not matter which path did one take.
But if ones longer path inspired a third person, doesn't that make it worthwile?
>>672383954
Except that this is merely a founding myth of islam upon which it beds its self certainty and is also the root cause of all of its defensive fragility.
>>672384776
So you're denying that the books in the neew testiment are meant to look like the apostles wrote them? Because that was the way I was taught, and thats what everyone else assumes. I also find it funny that you write off the author I recommended based on nothing, I bt you dint even google it. He goes over way more than that, though he does go through the book of Luke too...
WILL SOMEBODY MAKE A SECOND TREAD soon?!?!?!?
(im on phone...)
>>672384110
>But you are sayong there is basis for truth in them are you not?
For the trial? Almost certainly not --the apostles weren't there to witness it, and the entire scenario is historically implausible. Pilate certainly didn't need a trial to kill some wayward jew.
>The earliest documents are Pauls epistles which date within twenty years of Christs death.
Yes, and does alot of not-talking about or referencing any teachings from gospel tradition.
Shit, in Galatians, he even argues with some of the apostles (Galatians 2)
This fucking guy Paul is sooo convinced of his own message, that he declares that even if an angel from God were to come and correct him, he would reject it outright (Galatians 1:8)
>Christianity grew at an exponential rate not because of the Gospels but by word of mouth.
Probably in contrast to the gospels, really. Christianity had huge appeal to women from stories about Thecla, etc.
>The Death, Divinity and Resurrection of Jesus are all important and are what what the early christians knew.
The divinity is tricky. In terms of Christology, only John elevates Jesus to god himself. The synoptic gospels (Mark, Matthew, Luke) never say that jesus and god are equivalent. Jesus is a profit, he is chosen, he is the son of god, son of man, etc., but they never explicitly make the christological claims of John.
>>672384910
Oh yes `shitskin`that must be the correct term for Muslims who are of all different races, ethnicity. I wish you and your Superman Donald J Trump a wonderful trip to Hell. I`m sure even the christians here, heck even the real jews wouldn`t call us muslims Shitskins. You sir are a racist. Allah has not place in his kingdom for those who spread HATE.
>>672385165
It could go both ways though, I could inspire someone by just being good, and you could inspire someone because you attribute god to your goodess. I would argue that its a lot more efficient to just be good instead of having to have create whole belief structure centered around something that can't be proven. I think if me and you were standing side by side, had the same morals, and inspired someone, they would take my side.
Christians: "we have the truth"
Muslims: "we have the truth"
Jews: "we have the truth"
5 year old who believes Santa is real: "I know the truth"
Every other religion, ever: "we have the truth"
>>672385107
> the false stories of the life of Isa in your Bible.
Or the false stories that your religion teaches which are taken from apocryphal and centuries old Gospels about Christ?
>>672375160
Things were so much better when we were shitting in mud huts and no one could read.
>>672385302
>So you're denying that the books in the neew testiment are meant to look like the apostles wrote them?
Of course they're not. Mark is written kind of crappy, but the rest of well-written works. They are expansive, and would taken alot of time to complete.
> I also find it funny that you write off the author I recommended based on nothing, I bt you dint even google it.
Look up the intro Luke yourself. I quoted it for you, but you can check. Luke states he uses written and oral sources, but never references or talks about them directly. He is clearly using Mark, but doesn't say so himself.
Luke's a fine author, but a crap historian.
you guys are all just plebs
>>672369103
It's an effective tool to control people that are scared of death and afraid to face reality, but at least it doesn't seem to persuade people to allahu akbar
>>672386213
Who said anything about Luke in the first place? You did. I said nothing about that, I said he talked about the whole new testiment. You're throwing up a strawman argument over something I never said.
>>672385718
Only John?
> But He kept silent and did not answer. Again the high priest was questioning Him, and saying to Him, "Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?" 62And Jesus said, "I am; and you shall see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING WITH THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN." Tearing his clothes, the high priest said, "What further need do we have of witnesses?
Thats from Mark. Caiphas tears his cloak for good reasons since he has quoted three verses which assert his divinity:
> I AM THAT I AM
> In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence.
> Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet."
>>672369103
CUM INSIDE ME JESUS
>>672385891
Now you're being biased tho.
I think we are both right, just as all the religions basically point in the same direction, depending on the culture and geography they were created in.
>>672386534
>It's an effective tool to control peopl
like atheism?
>>672386039
Again NO, Allah and his Angels brought Visions, Messages, the Truth directly to The Prophet PBUH.
These revelations, direct revelations were written down. They have been handed down directly even in his language Arabic to us today.
The Prophet PBUH was a simple merchant called by Allah. He might have known maths but he didn`t read nor write. He couldn`t have got the message he has given us down to this day except through direct revelation.
