Comrade!
Do you feel alienated in a capitalist state?
anyone?
>>672226918
I feel NEET and still paying student loan..
>>672226918
>>672227184
thread failed, just like communism
I would feel even more isolated with communism.
no, the revolution is near
Capitalism is ruining my life. The war on the poor/proletariat is real.
Workers of the world, unite!
The workers have nothing to lose but their chains.
>>672229212
I work hard everyday to make my life better, not work hard everyday to make my life mediocre.
>>672226918
I've been waiting for this thread.
Peace, bread and work!
>>672229792
Give a communist nation 100 years free of war and corruption, and I assure you they'll pump out an utopia.
>>672229936
We've been waiting all our lives.
New fighters will arise!
Oh hell yeah.
Still requesting /leftypol/
The Battle Goes on.
>>672230206
>any length of time free of war and corruption
>>672227800
Agent Provocateur and or 12 year old.
>>672226918
Meh.. Lenin did have some good ideas and good intentions.. He was pragmatic, once he saw that his new economy didn't grow as quickly as he hoped.. His New Economy Policy (NEP) was actually sort of a mix between communism and capitalism..
Then Stalin came along and made everything worse.. Because that cat was fucking insane and felt widespread use of slave labor in the Gulags were what the economy needed..
>>672230590
Try again Ivan.
>>672230864
>Communism
>Capitalism
Pick one.
>>672231004
>200million
fucking, lel.
Still wouldn't hold a candle to capitalism (even it was true.)
>>672230864
What about this guy?
>>672231029
I suggest you read a book yankee..
Lenin's NEP was a sort of hybrid between capitalism and communism..
Lenin even called it "State capitalism"..
>>672231175
>Literally does not understand communism.
You can't even say it was socialism, m8, because there was never workers control over the means of production.
>>672231248
>Le-epic-maymay.
>>672229792
>Implying buying your 17th iphone 5 isn't mediocre.
ITT: Angry young russian kids who just learned about the glorious days of mother russia in school today.
topkek shouldn't you guy be squatting in an alley drinking somewhere?
>>672231153
Castro? Mixed feelings.. He was not the most totalitarian dictator in the world, but he was still a dictator.. And as any dictator has blood on his hands..
But he fought against the Batista regime and they weren't any better..
I view Castro as an idealist who wanted the best for his nation, but in the end was somewhat corrupted by power..
Though he was sort of successful, for a long while Cuba was the only nation in Latin-America free of US imperialism..
Arguably the most "successful" revolutionary in the world since he sat in power for a long time and.. Not to mention the sheer number of CIA assassination attempts he survived..
>>672231759
>muh baseless assertions and epicmaymays.
>>672226918
communism is a disease
>>672232005
The only disease is capitalism,
>>672232056
so is communism
>>672232183
Communism is the answer.
ITT: reactionaries.
ITT: bunch of underage faggots with poor parents who can't be arsed to study
>>672231402
Did I Lenin's communism was the true, undiluted form of communism?
There's a reason they call it Leninism bub..
It was never Lenin's (or any revolutionary's) idea that the production should be controlled by the workers. A system doesn't work without a leader.
Their idea was a government by the workers for the workers. And that means "state owned everything".
NEP was a mixture, because the state owned the banking, transport and heavy industry portions while making room for a "free inner market"..
True, there has never been, and never will be I suspect, a true socialist nation.. Many have had socialist elements though..
>>672232518
Such a good well thought out rebuttal.
Did you hear that one over the lunch table in before your physics class?
>>672232684
The state owning the means of production is not workers control over the means of production, tho.
>>672232559
I beginning to come around, comrade. I hope you get to revive communism so we don't have to listen to your shit online anymore when Tzar shuts off your internet.
>>672232869
True.. But that's how they saw it since they were a government "by the workers, for the workers"..
But power corrupts, so it's probably a good idea to replace the guy on top every once in a while..
>>672232889
>>672233072
communism with democratic elections, that could work
>>672233072
I, personally, am an anarchist, so I prefer no one at the top.
Howrever, it is important to understand the concepts that reactionary forces will use to divert attention away from the fact that they use double speak to render discussion about communism, socialism, anarchism, and all the like useless.
I cant afford a pool with my welfare money
>>672233201
>>672233287
Democratic socialism?
I am ok with this.
:^)
>>672230206
> communist
> free of corruption
Grow up you fucking 12 year old
>>672233375
Russia is not a Marxist nore socialist country.
They sure as hell aren't communists. At least not that faggot putin.
>>672228866
>>672228866
Fellow Comrades
There's a special place in Hell for those of you that don't go and see the remake of Stalingrad.
>>672233298
drink bleach edgelord
>>672233474
>MUH CAPITALISM
>MUH MARKETS
>MUH DEMOCRACY
>MUH UR UNDERAGE
>MUH WELL THOUGHT OUT REBBUTALS
>MUH LACK OF THEORY
>MUH
MUHJ
>>672233287
Would work better than what the Soviet Union had, that's for sure..
Doesn't North Korea hold elections though? With one party to vote for, kek..
>>672233420
yes
>>672230864
Lenin was paid by the Germans to go back to Russia from his exile and cause a revolution to get Russia out of the war.
>>672233298
Do you listen to punk rock too?
>>672233534
450,000 people go into the theater
None come out laughing
>>672233623
You can almost feel the salt in these posts.
Meanwhile, I'm here, rich off the stockmarket. Fuck off poorfags.
>>672233298
Anarchism could work in a different society.. But ours is too egotistical and profit driven.. It would descend into chaos pretty quickly..
>>672233678
so 'true' democratic elections
>>672233950
We'll see what happens.
Honestly I am not against any form of workers control over the means of production outside of any type of Stalinist ideology.
>>672233072
On communism there is no state. You are talking bout socialism, fags
>>672226918
I dont like the current system, and i disagree with capitalism in general, it makes us selfish and disposable, the list goes on, but, communism would not be viable at all, it would not make things better.
>>672233622
>>672233903
912 people go into the theater
782 come out
>>672234265
Like hell it wouldn't.
So many problems are directly intertwined with capitalism it is amazing.
Not saying it will fix everything, but, many of our problems are caused by division of labor, capital, private ownership over the means of production, ect ect ect.
>>672234128
True, to an extent.. The original definition of a communist society there is no state..
The nation Lenin founded was "Marxist-Leninist" at the time of its founding..
Socialism in itself is characterized by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production..
Communism, like most has never been employed exclusively by any nation.. Most have been mixes of different ideologies..
>>672226918
The fucking Queen is fed up with your commy shit
>>672234095
If only human beings weren't absolute shitbags we might have had a system that benefited all participants..
>>672226918
Fucking cominterns.
Russians killed socialism. Stalin was a mad cunt, Khrushchev was a fool and Gorbachev was an amateur capitalist who nailed the last nail in the coffin of European socialism. The rest of them did fuck all, except for Lenin.
Remember POUM, the anarchists, Bakunin, hell, even Trotsky. Those were where hope lied, and Russians destroyed them all.
Russians are the biggest bourgeois traitors of the revolution.
>>672234378
Did somebody say communism?
You are being exploited by the capitalist class. When someone employs you, they are exploiting you. They are extracting "surplus value" from you.
At your job, you produce more value (i.e., you produce more commodities or services) than what you are paid. In other words, you produce surplus value for your employer, who takes that surplus and either gives it to shareholders or reinvests it in their company to make it more productive. In other words, they take what YOU produce and keep it for themselves, and you can't do anything about it. You have no say in what happens to surplus value/profits in your company. This is not democratic.
In socialism, you and your fellow employees collectively own your company, rather than being beholden to the whims of a boardroom full of shareholders who don't care about you and will outsource your job to India in a second if it means more profits for them. If you believe in democracy, then you should also believe in democracy in the workplace. But right now you don't have democracy in the workplace. You have a dictatorship by capitalists who do not pay you what you are owed. If you believe that the workplace should be democratic, then you are a socialist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGT-hygPqUM&list=PL3F695D99C91FC6F7
>>672235034
I mean, most people are shit bags because of an economic system built on profit motives.
Our material conditions directly influence our ideologies and how we interpreter the world.
Give people food and shelter and we are generally a pretty dank batch.
>>672235157
That picture celebrates a president, i.e., the embodiment of the government and the state, violating private property (the no trespassing sign being shattered).
How American!
>>672233799
So? Even if Lenin was funded by Germany that doesn't alter what he wanted to do with his homeland.. It just means he had more money to do it..
It's not unlikely he was given some funding by either the German governments or financially strong individuals with German interests, but it's not confirmed..
Anyway if Germany did fund him it backfired gloriously with regards to World War II..
>>672235024
>>672235046
While I agree with you, for the most part, infighting is a pointless practice of pedantry.
As Bakunin himself said we "We must only go forward looking only in the past to learn from our mistakes and to never repeat them."
>>672235340
That's true..
But there will always be those that want to have more than the rest..
Either because they feel they deserve it or because they feel their neighbor doesn't deserve what they have..
But it's true that humanity worked for a long time with simple cooperation and coexistence.. Like the earliest tribes and such, where everyone contributed and lived off the surplus..
>>672235341
>How American!
The land owner was a piece of shit commie spy living in america.
Shitlord had it coming
Why do you want to flood my homeland with unskilled, low IQ, unemployable arabs? Do you not feel any pangs of guilt for celebrating a political system that is alien to any nation or culture and has left so many tens of millions dead.
>>672235092
>>672235857
>>672235340
Absolute BS. Give an African country billions, a functioning railway system and healthcare and the whole place will be reduced to rubble in a few generations in the absence of European influence.
How do you still buy this kike bs?
>>672231128
Citation please? Actual examples would be nice.
Wait, did I just ask a Leftist for facts? Mea Culpa.
>>672235523
Well, a mistake would be trust Russian political system to approach any kind of system remotely resembling socialism.
A mistake would be, if we are ever again given a chance of implementing socialism, to intertwine it with state power. But I fear that the atrocities of Soviet dictatorship poisoned Marxism and socialism for good.
>>672235614
>>672235984
I found the stormfag.
>>672235975
>>672235648
>Why do you want to flood my homeland with unskilled, low IQ, unemployable arabs?
kek what? personally I'd throw any refugees who thinks they can act like theocratic fascists into a gulag
>>672228866
It's called being lazy. You stop being lazy and you'll stop being poor. Worked for me
>>672236146
>>672235598
That is the aim of socialism and communism.
Removing the material conditions that allow for such a thing to happen and persist.
Why would people want more than the rest when every one is receiving the full value of their labor and not, in the words of Berkman, 1/10th of its value.
>>672236331
>>672233298
Anarchists are the first of the of the nation wrecking vermin I'd be throwing from helicopters. Either that or I'd just send them all to Africa to work on improving 'socio economic' factors and reveal to the natives its just the fact they're poor that makes them prone to criminality and tribal violence. That might be more fun than just hanging them.
>>672236257
Yes yes, pull yourself up by your bootstraps. That's how you are supposed to think, slave. Oh, sorry I meant, dear customer.
I was once a Communist like you all, until I saw the light of Fascism. I will now spam Nazi German photographs.
>>672236384
>>672236435
Well at least I'm not poor.
back to r eddit you go.
>>672236257
>Thinks he still isn't under the rule of a plutocratic oligarchy.
>>672236566
Every one of those pussies had been filled by Nazi cream within 48 hours of this photo
>>672236598
>>672236372
Just stopped in to add: why would anyone bother to strive for greatness of any kind when they would all get the same page, whether they were a scientist or a janitor?
>>672236417
The only violence I would commit is against some one like you whon seeks to undermine my autonomy.
TLDR; Bring it on storm fag.
ITT: internet tuff guys.
Burn the rich
Class war now
>>672236625
Just got a 50lb bag of FREEDOM
>>672236716
How can people really be this retarded?
How many times an ideology can fail and how many millions can it kill before losers see that it's a bad idea? How is it even possible to be brainwashed with the information we now have at hand
>>672236624
"yes, call him a redditer, yes."
>>672236221
And charge me for their maintenance whilst they're there. You are for open borders, you do not believe race exists or that it plays a role in any given civilization or nation. You believe people are economic units and the world would be better if it was a grey, raceless mass in which we're better off being wretchedly equal, than having anything noble or beautiful to look up to. You believe in agitating people against themselves and peddle a lies that have left millions dead time and time again.
>>672236938
>How many times an ideology can fail and how many millions can it kill before losers see that it's a bad idea?
Just ask Bernie Sanders shills
>>672230864
>>672231175
>His New Economy Policy (NEP) was actually sort of a mix between communism and capitalism.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
It was "kind of a mix" between [b]pre-capitalist modes of production[/b] and capitalism.
It was part of the process of the transformation of the russian proletarian state into an agent of the exploitation of the proletariat.
It was for, in an emergency, making concessions the peasantry at the expense of the proletariat, Unfortunately, the international revolution was defeated and the russian proletariat were doomed to a horrible development of capitalism by a gigantic state bureaucracy.
>>672232684
Complete bullshit
1. "Leninism", both Trotskyism and Stalinism, is a grotesque caricature of Lenin, who, while he certainly had his problems, wasn't anything close to what you are thinking
2. Lenin certainly did plan on workers control and didn't prioritize "leaders", remember the quotes about the necessity of the ability of "every cook to run the government", he at times demanded the committees in the party have ratios of [i]hundreds[/i] of workers to every intellectual.
Their idea was a proletarian state that supported the [b]international[/b] revolution, there wasn't ever the inkling of the idea that Russia could reach socialism on its own (Stalin's "socialism in once country" marked the victory of the [i]counter-revolution[/i])
3. State-owned =/= socialist
4. No country ever has had "socialist elements"
5. There will be socialism, or there will be Barbarism.
>>672236871
Comrade reporting!
>>672236470
thank u anon
Oh I can't wait to see the mental gymnastics comie faggots will play around this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6p1zxKnDeM
>>672236938
>Implying capitalism has not, litterally, killed millions of people since it's parasitic inception.
>>672236938
How many times did bourgeois revolutions (that is, revolutions that wanted to overthrow the monarchy) fail in the history of Europe? Oh, the revolution failed. I guess monarchy is natural and we should accept it!
>>672236799
Why would you not want to live in Liberia or Somalia? You fascist, racist fuck. We're all equal.
>>672237260
Communist revolutions didn't fail, you should be scared of what happens when they succeed.
>>672237403
>you should be scared of what happens when they succeed.
>when they succeed.
YAY! Let's troll the average dumb Americunt who knows shit about history or politics.
All these dank pro-communist memes.
>>672237016
>And charge me for their maintenance whilst they're there.
>implying gulags have high upkeep
>You are for open borders, you do not believe race exists or that it plays a role in any given civilization or nation.
tru
>You believe people are economic units and the world would be better if it was a grey, raceless mass in which we're better off being wretchedly equal, than having anything noble or beautiful to look up to.
pic related you stupid faggot
>>672237205
That's literally the go to response to anybody who challenges communist atrocities.
"Pol pot?" B-but...capitalism
"Stalin" he was a good guy and capitalism kills too
"Mao" Capitalism kills people as well!
Yeah and it also creates the luxurious circumstances that allow you to be sat on your ass pushing your bullshit over the Internet.
>>672237241
IWW unite!
>>672237512
>>672237191
>zero responses
How unexpected
>>672237558
Very interesting time to be alive my /b/ros
Just remember - the road to hell is paved with good intentions, my friends
Capitalism is gods way of telling who is smart and who is poor. If you cannot make a living in a capitalist society it is because you re very dumb AND lazy.
>>672237607
>implying pol-pot was in any way communistic
Stalin was an opportunist
and mao was an autist who lacked theory.
But keep trying.
That still doesn't compare to how many people have died and been exploited to abject wage slavery under capitalism.
>Thinks the US prison system is in anyway better the the gulags
>>672237594
Oh shit, I missed all those communists that were quoting this guy and condemning "no borders" activists in Calais. I'm sure there's an abundance of them out there. Reds are truly the vanguard when it comes to protecting my national heritage and future.
>>672237191
>>672237726
It's fucking stupid
>the german empire was run by PRUSSIANS so it was evil
>>672237403
yes they did, the proletariat failed to carry out its tasks, and when it tried it was crushed by liberals and social democrats
>>672237875
so you're saying God is so dumb and lazy, he needs human to figure shit out for him
wow
>Thinks the US prison system is in anyway better the the gulags
Yeah, we should just not have prisons and let criminals out on the streets..
>>672237875
Incorrect.
If you can not make a living under a capitalistic society it is because you can not find work.
Requiring barriers to entry is an absurd practice.
>>672237905
Ah, the classic "they didn't do communism properly argument"
Where do you go from there? Give me an instance of communism working.
>>672237875
True, but wouldn't it be cool if we had an actual free market, capitalistic society? Well we definitely don't have that, more like crony capitalism right now, probably leaning more towards tyranny
>>672238078
Yeah you are clearly poor.
>>672238078
>The proletariat was crushed by social democrats.
>>672237950
>liberals
how is that our problem? they are the biggest capitalist apologists
>>672238093
Criminals only exist because of state imposed laws.
>>672238152
How is capitalism working out for most of Africa? Or is it because they're stupid, lazy, and black?
Ah, the classic "they didn't do capitalism properly argument."
>>672238067
>a Jew comes up with retarded ideology that is inapplicable and failed every time
>Rich Jew bankers fund retarded ideology to depose of a Monarch who was enemy of Jews
>Jews take over nation and commit mass genocide and deliberate starvations on an unseen scale over their enemies
>>672237905
I have many felonies and no higher education and was able to find work just weeks after i got out of prison. There is no excuse for unemployment.
>>672236025
The boom and bust nature of capitalism has killed way way way more people than all communist countries put together
>>672238191
pic related
>>672238307
google "SPD" "Noske" "Ebert"
>>672238152
A stateless, classless, moneyless society where private property has been abolished and replaced by common and personal property based upon occupancy and use and where the means of production are collectively owned by the working class who associate based upon free association, mutual aid, solidarity, and autonomy.
I suggest you read a book.
>>672238604
>>672238330
Same as that other guy, communists complaining about other communists not doing communism properly.
We don't care. You were useful idiots in the past and ruined a few countries in the service of Gods Chosen. Now it's neo conservatism. Your idelogy is obsolete and your masters have moved under a new cover.
>>672226918
Che was a nigger and a homo - something he has in common with OP.
>>672238191
Ew, god no.
it would be a, litteral, plutocracy.
>>672238427
Except Marx was an atheist who hated Rich Banking Jews faggot
>Implying it was only jews who threw money at the revolution
>>672238725
>>672226918
Lol wut
>>672238701
I asked for an instance of any of that nonsense working. Not just utopian idealism that gives rise to cult leaders and dead beats.
>>672238427
ITT: Stormfags think nazis did jack shit but get raped by Stalin.
>>672238773
>liberals
>communists
>>672238886
>>672226918
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLvlRK2hoiM&list=LLXDiLT_yNrOctChHPWr716Q&index=60
Another comerade reporting in!
>>672238811
He was also a chad thundercock and is looked up to by millions so...
>>672238487
>>672238487
The exception proves the rule.
>>672239017
You're so slow.
>>672238671
I hate to go into this area... but
do we really enjoy all of these luxuries we have in the "rich" countries, or do we just unconsciously use them and take them for granted, while they just contribute to keeping us comfortable in our slave quarters, telling us that everything is ok and to shut up in our subconscious...
we are neo slaves, Neo...
>being a retard
not even once
There's definitely not enough freedom in this thread
>>672238152
China pulled 500 million people out of poverty during the second half of the 20th century while lacking many natural resources.
USA pushed 100 million people into poverty during the second half of the 20th century despite being the richest nation in the world.
>>672239134
ur like 4th down my list of who to respond to
>>672238811
Yeah, faggots and hipsters like you wanna suck him off.
>>672236025
http://www.petersaysstuff.com/2014/05/attempting-the-impossible-calculating-capitalisms-death-toll/
here you go future comrade.
>>672227734
Has never understood economics very well.
>>672236025
just as you posted a picture stating statistics without a citation.
you filthy fucking casual.
>>672238848
Marx was related to the Rothchilds.
Sorry buddy, you've been had. Just kill yourself right now of embarrassment.
>>672239419
nice meme
>>672239010
I don't see them flying their countries flags at demonstrations, just red banners and hammer and sickles. I must keep missing all those communists who truly love their culture, and don't view nature as a fascist social construct that can be remedied with some crackpot equalitarian theory.
>>672239419
>Marx was related to the Rothschilds.
Very distantly and he didn't even talk to the fucking 5th cousin who married in
>>672239192
"Freedom" is a meaningless term
Autonomy is superior.
I just had a thought
What if the way capitalism is set up is so a group of people are able to climb to the top after a certain amount of time, but it is the poor man's duty to take them down, and the cycle keeps going...
With communism it kind of seems like theres no room for a revolution, but capitalism allows for that...
LET THE REVOLUTION BEGIN!!!!!!
>>672239545
it's even on kikepedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Mayer_Rothschild#Family
He was literally related to the biggest banking dynasty and never even once mentioned them in his book.
>>672239696
Look at this line of faggots
fucking kek
>>672238152
Communism could easily flourish with the US Constitution backing it. A system of checks and balances is exactly what soviet style communism lacks.
>>672238426
It has nothing to do with capitalism. They're lazy, stupid and black.
>>672239785
Because there's no need for a revolution under a communism society.
inb4: >The u.s.s.r was communism.
Image limit reached, thank you everybody!
Hail Fascism!
Comrades! Grettings from East Germany! Should have lasted longer! But the Day will come!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzBCiyDkXPw
>>672240020
>this vague book with zero solutions written a hundred years ago is the perfect guide to bulding a perfect society
Why don't you just kill yourself
>>672240020
Yeah, no need for it under communism because the propaganda is so good that no one thinks there needs to be one. Either that or everyone is just scared as fuck to do anything. The US is approaching this. Not good
>>672238152
Implying Capitalism is working... lol
Let me guess, daddy buys the gas?
>>672239268
On one hand, I like China and feel bad for what they suffered under Mao. On the other I care more about the prospect of cultural marxism developing into full blown communism and western europe and treat lunatics like Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin and all those African sympathisers like Mandela as a heads up.
>>672239969
WHO COULD BE BEHIND THIS POST? "oink"
>>672240209
>Has literally no argument because he is a stupid classcuck.
>>672240380
Is that some weird red meme? I don't know what you're implying.
>>672240378
>Cultural marxism.
>>672240563
Total agent provocateur.
If communism is so good then why has it failed so many times
communists: -1
>>672240693
Capitalism fails every day, though. :^)
>>672240693
if capitalism is so good how come it failed so many times before it took hold?
>>672240378
Cultural Marxism = right wing conspiranoid theory
>>672240304
It could be working just fine, the mass immigration that you scumbags have been so busily pushing in my country have thrown things off somewhat. But other than that, yeah. And no, I live with friends and get by. No welfare, no hand outs.
>>672239969
In African countries when the Great Recession began food prices went up 400% overnight. They had food in markets and nobody could buy it.
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