ffs people, this shit isn't that hard to understand
there are 320 million americans out there, you simply don't have enough rich people to tax to cover the deficit
middle class taxation WILL GO UP if this faggot wins, christ
>>671981785
he's not gonna win.
second, taxes arent bad if they contribute to the overall health of the society you live in.
taxes are the price you pay to live in civilization.
>>671981785
>raise taxes for rich people
>they are rich so they just go live somewhere else
>now everyone is poor
t. person living in post communism country.
>>671982113
no worries, bernie is never going to win anyway
>>671982113
>communism country.
nice catchphrase faggot.
google all those fucking words before you post you stupid inbred crack baby.
>>671981910
are you fucking retarded, sir?
governments are necessary, but only to provide public services private companies don't see margainal profit from, like basic personal safety or road maintenance. It has nothing to do with civilization because wealthy civilizations don't rely on income tax as much as on trading tariffs and property taxes, so the normal middle class should not have his living standards drop because of high state expenses
>>671981785
Fuckin Sanders, man. He's kooky.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED74NAVpaPg
>>671982230
we're going to eternally disagree with how much tax and who to tax and when to tax, so Im gonna avoid this endless loop of bitching and snickering and go fap in another thread im monitoring.
do what you want. i dont give a fuck. i dont even vote. they all serve the same masters. fuck you and good night.
>>671982113
Yes because if you get 1 million a year and you are taxed like 20% so you get 800,000 that definatly makes you poor.
>>671982113
post soviet countries are characterized by their oligarchies, not wealthy flight. People that leave are mostly young well educated people. This pattern is referred to colloquially as "brain drain." Source: person living in post communism country that does not suffer some sort of debilitative learning condition.
>>671981785
and how do you know that? there is literally countless of ways a government can finance spending
>>671981785
>implying tens of billions in tax is not lost through corporate welfare and accountancy tricks
Economics of a country is not something that you can guess at or assume over.
A vote for Bernie is a vote for freedom from oppression by the rich powerful elite and the banks who have literally got every normal person in the world under their thumb.
But people are fucking stupid so they vote for whatever the idiot box tv tells them. Hence Bernie won't win because tv and media is owned by the rich who donate to Hilary.
Ps the truth hurts.
>>671982526
how about illegal mexicans pay their taxes first?
>>671981785
The rich includes corporations that are the biggest dodgers of them all you dolt.
>>671982607
They... do... are you serious? They pay taxes in the billions of dollars.
>>671981785
Drumpf
>>671982607
they do.
google: Tax Identification Number. (or TIN)
they werent able to file before but ever since several years ago they can.
back then they couldnt get any money back, and only contributed. the government knows, so they gave them a TIN to sort out tax data.
>>671982607
>how about illegal mexicans pay their taxes first?
how about giving the a permit and allowance to work so you could tax them to begin with dipshit, your whole agricultral and service sector is in dire need of em anyways, just lower the minimum wage abit and it will all work out.
>>671982230
The US is the only developed nation without universal health care.
>>671982526
>annual american deficit: 1.6 trillion
>annual american top 10% TOTAL income: 1.7 trillion
all of their reported personal earnings barely cover existing overspending, that's why the debt is rising so quickly. Even if you tax the top 10% for 100% of their income it'll balance the existing budget only, not additional programs, and that's assuming they won't just move to Switzerland and you'll have to beg for them to come back with extra tax breaks, exactly like what happened to Italy
besides, tax loops and havens are the result of allowing corporate outsourcing to go unchecked for too long - that's one thing both Trump and Sanders agree on, that it has to stop either way
>>671982824
from the POV of the people who own and control the fields, its better if they remain illegal though. You literally can enslave people and they have no legal recourse, so you make a shit load of money paying them shit.
>MFW Republicans prop these people up as "examples" and "successful people"
>>671982607
that's a great idea too.
>>671982879
it's also the only developed nation with more than 150 million people living in it, nevermind more than 300 millions
We spent about half the 20th century with a 70%+ income tax on the rich and it was our most prosperous run ever
>>671982824
Well, if they go through the proper channels, instead of creeping in illegally they could get a permit, dumbass.
>>671982959
thats why I say lower the minimum wage, so it would still be a ROI for the land owners.
But still, the demand for labor would be less, that would mean less jobs for the emigrants, which would mean less migration generally. and those who do get jobs quickly gets integrated into society through working a legal job and paying taxes and having availability to school and healthcare
>>671982113
SO take the rich peoples money before they leave, duh.
what are you? retarded or something?
>>671983085
yeah. it was prosperous because everyone was getting a piece of the pie, which allowed the baby boomers to build lives around that "boom".
which they then ironically destroyed because "muh freedom" and "capitalism".
>cant they fucking die already?
In this thread people are arguing about illegal immigrants that are sneaking out of the U.S. in greater numbers than are sneaking in. What a time to be alive
>>671983098
proper channels are too strict, you need to shape your government and legal structure based upon what is happening now, the current migration regulations simply dont work, the flow of emigrants is still huge, so you need to adapt to the situation and try and gain as much as possible from the huge waves of mexicans by giving them the permit to work so they can pay taxes and fill the coffers of the bottomless hole you call your state budget.
>>671982402
This isn't funny, it's gay.
>>671982504
like raising the taxes on purchasing and using medical equipment. but that doesnt hurt me because im not a doctor. just as long as i have health insurance or dont get sick.
hell, inflation is still growing, why should i want more money in my pocket when that money can go to my insurance, like a bank account that somone holds for me and makes money off of while i gradually make it grow that i can only use it for medical reasons.
guess its only fair since im so greedy as to make more money than a guy flipping burgers. long as the government figures out how to pay for shit im golden....
>>671983085
You can do the same again, problem is global markets allow them to easily move out to other countries nowdays
Also, they're already paying 39-40% tax on average today, and the US still has almost 2 trillion in deficit every year. Tax them 80% and it still won't enough to cover all contemporary spending on NUMEROUS retiring baby boomers and the like
>>671983146
your solution sounds reasonable, but you it does not have a fix for human nature and our natural instinct to mistrust those who act and look different than us.
not saying everyone is like that to the extreme, just saying it plays into the problem and any solution you may come up with.
anyways, good shit bro.
>>671982113
If the rich companies leave then a thousand new small businesses rise up to take their place and the economy is better off.
The rich know this that's why they won't leave
>>671983203
Since women joined the workforce everything is now priced for two earners which fucked over a lot of people and ruined "savings" for young single people and now everyone is just treading water under 30
I'd trade all the niggers in America for all the Mexicans in Mexico any day of the week.
>>671983436
thats a stretch but i like your optimism.
>>671983288
You only say that because I hurts your feelings ya pussy.
>>671983436
Two words, Bulk Discount.
Small business is dead, and it won't work anymore on a large scale for grocery stores, sporting goods, or almost anything of value with the exception of computer repair.
Guess what? If your town has 1500 people, why should they buy everything at a gas station with 30% markup?
You're spouting nonsense.
>>671983325
well yeah, thats the human cultural factor, im a business undergraduate who just passed a semester with a really tough course on macro economics.
>>671983475
yes .. BUT!!!!!!
>>671983320
Well then capitalism is the illness that will kill the US in the end. It was fine and dandy when we had it to ourselves, but once everyone else got on board it becomes a race to slave labor, and we don't have the stomach for it, while others will do anything to get something in their stomach.
>>671983436
>If the rich companies leave then a thousand new small businesses rise up to take their place and the economy is better off.
Yeah, no m8. If anything, small business will suffer more so than big business, because at least big business can resell their goods back to the US market... Small don't even have the option to outsource.
>>671983536
No, I hate Bernie. It just is gay and sucks ass. Not funny.
>>671981785
>taxes are baaaaaaaaaaad
k
>>671983287
We don't need to change anything to accommodate anyone. You want to come over to the United States you play by our fucking rules or you stay where you are. And that's that.
>>671982426
Then go and spoil your ballot, they count those...
>>671983436
lol no, the prices would rise, because big companies and corporations have the benefit of economies of scale, meaning bigger production facilities with a bigger output often means less spending per output created ie. cheaper products. If you want the homegrown natural products n shit its up to the individual spender to support your local businesses n shit.
>>671983736
>>671983621
>Well then capitalism is the illness that will kill the US in the end.
LMAO, dude, the thing that is killing the US is people like Bernie Sanders who has made it more viable to send labour over seas, increase taxes and overly expense social services.
>>671983668
>Actually think taxes don't harm and economy more than anything
Read "Basic Economics" by Thomas Sowell
>>671983494
The majority of businesses in countries with socialist programs are small businesses. Any proper small business. For some reason the US classified small businesses as workplaces with less than a hundred employees while rest of world says less than 50.
But yes. Think of how many small businesses walmart closed. Imagine if they leave. Gaps are always filled man.
Imagine those wealthy corporations who tote patriotism saying fuck this we leave, it would create to negative a public backlash and a hundred small business would come in to fill in the gap.
Anyway the tax loopholes they use are just ridiculous and really should be closed
>>671983832
>overly expense social services.
I meant expand
>>671983615
That's not a choice! Jews are bad but at least their societies prosper as a rule. Muslim, some prosper but most are degenerates.
>>671983832
Sowell fans represent, yo. lol
>>671983736
its not about accomodation dipshit, its about survival of the strongest, a government has to change its policies all accordingly to social/economic/political/geographical etc. factors, thats the reality of it.
And the reality is you have huge illegal migration waves at the milions, costing society a shit load of money spent on sending these people home and patroling the border and missing out on tax revenue these countless of workers could generate.
How to fix the world:
1- Reduce world population for long term planetary sustainability.
2- Educate the masses and get rid of religion.
3- Automate most things and provide basic income, leaving humans to pursue higher aspirations. [suicide might increase though as many people may feel they have no purpose]
We'll be doing interstellar travel in no time after that.
There, I just solved every problem in the world.
>>671983631
Well, to each his own. I think anime and modern japanese culture is shit but you like it and I'm not giving you shit for it, so you can eat a bag of dicks for all I care. Night night.
>>671982432
The point is the rich people will GTFO to somewhere they can pay 5% tax and you end up with only people earning £11000 and no tax.
>>671983577
When big businesses "compete" they simply raise the base price of a product from $1 to $2 and compete from there.
Now when small businesses are still small they actually do complete from the intended base price.. so petrol or any product would be more or less the same. Couple that with all the other social programs in effect and you got yourself a population with more cash I their pockets anyways.
>>671982432
Do you even think before you type? Jesus christ wtf is wrong with people
>>671983854
Actually, the market climate in, what I'm guessing you're referring to as the Scandinavian nations, are stagnating and suffering. Small businesses are relying on state handouts to survive, and almost the entirety of their nations are reliant on their vast welfare scheme because they don't make a high enough wage (most of it is taxed). Rich and poor don't exist in Scandinavia, thus most stem grads are moving over seas.
The Nordic experiment is on the edge and will soon fail.
>>671981785
Oh nooooo muh taxes boo hoo me am want at freedom no taxes evar nooooo liberty mises ron paul revolution noooo
>>671984016
There is no overpopulation, only in faggy New York and shit cities. You can move away from a giant city, any place is better than an urban environment. You can drive for hundreds of miles and see nothing in America.
>>671984061
you probably never heard of demand and supply? and different market types... did you ?
>>671981785
nooooo not at want make taxes hep me pleeeez nooooooo
>>671981785
noooooo tax cuts am make freedom at me me am no want tax oh nooooooo NAP ayn rand
>>671981785
oh noooooo parasites make am want tax me no pay evar freedom guns fucking my sister noooooo
>>671984152
>>671984189
>>671984227
Samefag pls go, read a book while you're at it
oh noooooooo not at taxes me am want make me am freedum me am john galt noooooooo
>>671981785
omg the liburlz am make tax at me am sad and angry trump 2016 me am love at alix joanz noooo at make taxes at me nooooooooo
>>671984158
its not so much the people as it is the natural resources needed to sustain a high standard of living.
less people = higher standard of living.
more people = lower standard of living.
we really do need less people for the long run. its something we need to address at some point.
>>671981785
nooooooo am hate tax me no want pay me am slef made man n nevar got handouts me walked 10 milez in snoe to privit skul noooo taxes
>>671981785
>ffs people, this shit isn't that hard to understand
>Trump wants to build a wall
>there are 320 million americans out there, you simply don't have enough poor people to tax to cover the deficit
>lower and middle class taxation WILL GO UP if this faggot wins, christ
>>671984061
No they don't. Small businesses charge more because they have overhead. Have you ever known a business owner? I doubt it very much from your understanding of the issue.
>>671984440
Kill all the africans, farm that land.
>>671984123
They're stagnating because they're competing in a global market against two purely debt based economies that can print money out of nothing. China whose gdp growth is thanks to housing development and not housing sales so now they have a ghost cities. And America who relies on the fed reserve and banks to buy their bonds with theoretical money out of an empty account and then use fractional.reserve lending to stimulate the economy in the short term but really just continually raise the debt ceiling and mass inflation. They're competing against two mega bubbles with will eventually and violently burst, America years first.
So yeah it's hard to compete against something that doesn't exist and can keep giving itself more out of nothing until it fucks the planet.
But in the end the Nordic economies so long as they curb immigration or at least practise better integration and dispersal of immigration population will come out on top simply because the foundation are real.
>>671984002
No, changing our policies is one of our biggest problems. We don't have change anything. If we just went all North Korea on them and started shooting them as they tried to cross eventually they'd get the hint that it's probably a bad idea to invade, or "immigrate" as you progressives call it.
>>671981785
nooooo me am live on mommy n daddy money me on 4chan at 5am on weekday morning but me am hard worker me no want taxes noooooooooo
>>671984170
Of course I have. But supply and demand don't mean anything when the companies literally control what you demand.
They tell you continually what you need, it's sad. Your car and clothes are good enough yet stop you want more because you live in a society where that's who you are
>>671984478
i like the spirit of your answer, but could never get behind actually employing it as a quick fix.
we need to regulate human reproduction. its gonna be a bitch, but there's no other way around it. theres too many people.
>>671981785
nooooooo me hate me cuntry and americans me am want niggers starve me on /b/ and me am hate the tax nooooo nevar the south will rise again fuck obama
>>671984440
Hydroponics, kill no one. We don't even used raised beds on a commercial scale.
There are many ways to do things differently, but there is no need at the moment.
>>671981785
>pay into a national insurance scheme
>no need to pay for private health insurance.
>everyone gets health care
>no one loses out on anything
>>671983832
Our taxes are way higher than yours and we're doing just fine.
From what I know, taxes in the States were highest during some of the most prosperous times in US history and no one batted an eyelash. Now someone mentions a few percent increase and everyone goes apeshit.
I'll freely admit I'm not an economist, but I do own a business and I can honestly say fuck your shit.
>I read some shit in a book once
k
nooooo am not at tax me no am tax trump am me nooooooo
Lol who cares.
It's pretty obvious all they want is another major crash so they'll be forced to create a global economy anyway.
>>671981785
please no me need money buy hookers on backpage and booze noooooo taxes me free me no sheep me nevar sign contract
>>671984495
>the finical market and banking is bullshit level wizardry that appears to make no sense to us mere mortals.
America is on a good base though, we have a shit ton of innovation , hell america invented most of the modern world.
>>671982526
/thread
>>671984597
No, we just need to improve the lethality of sickle cell and make that shit airborne.
>>671981785
nooooo me am no want taxes to go to ilminti and global guvmint me am free me am watch at movie with the guy fox man and me be free forevar nooooo at make taxes on me
Freedum!!! THEM MEXICANS TAKING OUR JOBS!!! WE DON'T WANT CHEAPER MORE EFFICIENT GUARANTEED HEALTHCARE, PAID FOR BY TAXES ON HUGE ILLEGAL SPECULATIVE BANKING TRANSACTIONS WAAAHH DONT TAKE AWAY MY GUNS!!!
>>671984720
>forced to create a global economy anyway.
the "economy" is already global retard. the minute one collapses the others follow. its a byproduct of the technological revolution: we are all connected somehow. we share more than we think.
honestly, stop bitching niggers. the future needs fixing. lets try something different.
>>671981785
me am be on /b/ me am no taxes nevar freedom guy fox ayn rand ron paul revolshun 2016 forver
>>671984857
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWNho8g0lsU
>>671984440
It actually is being addressed through the Sub-Replacement issue the west is currently experiencing. I also disagree, while overpopulation usually means too much consumption, a contentiously replacing and stable population which grows sustainably usually makes for a good thing for society.
Unfortunately, most families aren't making enough children to replace us in the future labour market. Population growth is generally a positive.
>They're stagnating because they're competing in a global market against two purely debt based economies that can print money out of nothing.
No, we're talking about the function of the internal market. Business is being outsourced not because of the actions of China, but by the actions of the local state.
There isn't any "competition", unless Swedish business is selling their goods internationally. From what I know, there isn't a problem of foreign business in Sweden, though I may be wrong.
>>671984673
I live in Australia, a very "socialized" country.
>taxes in the States were highest during some of the most prosperous times in US history and no one batted an eyelash
No, this is a common misconception. The time of greatest economic growth was coupled with mass deregulation, post world war 1 and 2 America.
>>671981785
freedom no under bernard dont tread at me no taxes evaarrrr nnoooooooo
>>671984803
>america invented anything
>>671984932
>
No, we're talking about the function of the internal market. Business is being outsourced not because of the actions of China, but by the actions of the local state.
This is meant to be a response to this>>671984495
>>671984803
As did every empire before it and look how they ended up man.
Please don't tell me you're one of the people who thinks the US will last forever? You're already tearing yourself apart and about a step away from electing an emperor
>>671984831
>No, we just need to improve the lethality of sickle cell and make that shit airborne.
how old are you nigger. stop talking like an edgy preteen. you're not even accounting for natural resistance to disease and the possibility of unintended consequences. thats how i know youre a fucking idiot. stop posting. you have shit for brains.
>>671981785
noooo cato institoot make at me no taxes evar me am free forver noooooo at the taxes make on me
>>671984884
Apologies. Global currency like the euro but global. Drinking and that tonight
>>671984673
were doing fine as well, people just refuse to acknowlege that maybe we have an educational and cultural problem that is giving us issues, we have a shortage of skilled labour, infact alot of company's cannot find replacement labor once the old work force retires, and then you have people like shaquiwa Tyrone that have 2 kids and no way to support herself that complains her McDonalds job doesn't pay her enough and is on food stamps which she uses to buy soda and junk food because shes retarded bitch and ends up obese and has a retarded obese kid.
>>671981785
me am the edge make like noooo at tax nigers niggers niggers on /b/ so edge so lol noooo sjw faggot nigger i agree op yay no at make tax forver
>>671981785
are you really that stupid?
>>671984932
Australia can chime in on global politics after you fix your fuckin muslim problem. Until then, it's back to the bush for you.
>>671981785
yay am agree at the original poster for making say no to the tax me am love trump me am hate niggers yaaaaaaaaaay
>>671982113
>they are rich so they just go live somewhere else
good riddance.
(and no they wouldn't)
>>671984932
>Unfortunately, most families aren't making enough children to replace us in the future labour market. Population growth is generally a positive.
Yes. because the earth and its ecosystems can sustain an unlimited amount of humans. Lets just keep making kids that buy and use shit.
>you fucking arrogant idiot.
>>671985134
are you really dumb enough to try and piss off the most influential group of people?
>>671981785
me am aton /b/ and hate niggers and taxiz noooooo evar tax not at me fuck niggers
>>671985037
Get fucked. I do what I want bitch!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZLVi4v7lSM
>>671984932
thats also an example of when you can have massive growth but major instability and poor quality of life, shit company did in the gilded age was crazy, Mining companys enslaved people in the aplachen mountains until like the 1920s
>>671985227
yes, are you dumb enough not to?
>>671985141
ayyy come on m8, our Mudslime problem is pretty tiny compared to you blokes.
I reckon all our nations have a Muslim problem to one degree or another.
>>671985217
Did I not say that overpopulation usually means over consumption? I meant a gradual and sustainable growth, you fuckin dingus.
>>671985317
Yeah? And the labour market evolved, post ww2, it was fucking brilliant.
>>671982432
It's enough for them to just move. 200k is quite a lot. 200k is worth more than everything I have ever had in my poorfag life put together. I would move if the government raised my taxes that much.
>>671981785
>America
>havng middle class citizens
hah, what is this, the 50's?
AM ANON >>671981785
AM MAKE HATE AT TAX AND NIGGERS AM NEVER LEFT HOME TOWN MOMMY AND DADDY BYE A M EE
America - literally every country in the Civilised world wants you to vote Bernie. Even if he doesn't win the primary, Hilary will, and Democrats are guaranteed a win come election time, so it's a win win.
Or keep voting for the Walton and Kosh families candidates, and enjoy paying taxes on your $3 minimum wage while 1 in 4 corporations pay non, and your 0.1% moves from getting 95% of the new income coming into the country to getting all of it.
Posting this from my hospital bed in the UK, one of the fastest growing Western Countries in the world, where I have been for the past week and a half and still getting paid from my employer. Getting sick would have bankrupted me in the US, thank god I live in a civilised country.
Not very smart are you? Well, you do have the worst education system in the Western world.
Republican morons on suicide watch
>>671984932
>I live in Australia, a very "socialized" country.
Australia only has marginally higher taxes than the US, so I'm not sure what you're trying to imply. That Oz is a shit country for various reasons? Yeah, I know. I wouldn't consider moving there even if it was the last inhabitable place on earth.
>>671984996
how about the OS your computer runs on and the lightbulds in your house or the tools that built your house, or the steel that skyscrapers are made from, or the light switches in your house, or the internet your on right now along with the T.V in your living room and the light outlets that you plug your shit in and the music you lisen to and the shows you watch.
>>671985141
Islam in Australia is a minority religious affiliation. According to the 2011 census, 476,291 people, or 2.2% of the total Australian population, were Muslims. This made Islam the fourth largest religious grouping, after all forms of Christianity (61.1%), irreligion (22.9%), and Buddhism (2.5%)
Literally more Buddhists in Australia then Muslims mate.
>>671981785
aAM MAKE AT SUCH EDGELORD FOREERE CANT NEERMAKE AT TAXES NIGGASE
>>671985521
we have the best universitys in the entire world.
>>671985665
>universitys
>merka
>>671985098
Ahh so you use racism to justify your studpidity. Fuck off to an all white country then mate.
>>671985544
You're missing out mate.
>>671985544
Don't worry, we don't want you anyway you retarded cunt.
>>671985608
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>>671985544
>>671985624
post faster
>>671985544
>Australia only has marginally higher taxes than the US
We have a pretty strong progressive tax rate and far larger amounts of federal spending
>I wouldn't consider moving there even if it was the last inhabitable place on earth.
We have everything you Bernie fags want, what? Extremely expensive price of living too much for you? Realized that shit like the minimum wage harm a nation more than anything?
>>671981785
>implying Satan's lesser known older and meaner sister Hillary Clinton isn't going to cheat Sanders out of the election
>implying she pretty much hasn't already done that
No point talking about Bernie since Hillary is so damn corrupt she has the whole democratic party in her pocket already. It's going to be Trump vs Hillary.
"
It's not even a competition with Hillary at this point. She's blatantly and openly cheating. First the super delegates, then winning all the coin tosses, like 15 in a row so far? Then there was the whole baiting his tech people into checking out the firewall after stealing all his voter data and the slandering campaign in black areas so they won't vote for him even though he's been advocating black people's rights for half a century.
Let's not even get started on how she's dodging felony charges left and right all the time."
>>671985665
>universitys
>>671985836
No one says chap mate.
>>671985955
I'm not your mate, bloke!
>>671986061
Instead of chap we just say cunt. N
But in good way. Like you're a good cunt mate.
Australian expat living in the US here. Your country is fucked. Your capital is full of homeless people and your education system is more inconsistent than your foreign policy. That being said, you have a culture that produces outstanding salesmen and self-promoters (cf. Donald Trump). The US is a fantastic place to live if you're rich, if you were part of the 99% it would be shit tier though.
>>671985624
do you even words
>>671985134
So you want to give total power to the system that made this possible. Not only that but you also want to take even more money away from the middle class. Yeah really great reasoning ability and logic.
>>671986157
Nah you're just a Faggot mate. Aussie hates tall poppies any cunt that talk himself up like trump is just a grub
>>671986135
You call your friends cunts? Man, yall people at the bottom of the globe are fucked out of your tree, but I give you props for living there and risking getting killed every day by those crazy aussie animals.
>>671986061
Fuck off then, cunt
>>671985521
>Merica so important even foreigners care about elections
Rest of world on suicide watch.
>>671986262
>being this illiterate
You're an embarrassment to Australia you simple cunt.
>>671986378
Yeah you call strangers mate and mates cunt. Simple enough.
It's really not that dangerous.
>>671985665
1. You can't spell universities (need I say more???)
2. The Average US university goer leaves in $100,000 dollars in debt, which is privately provided and on which you pay interest.
I went to Uni in the UK, and left in £15,000 (roughly $25,000) of debt, without working whilst studying. This is at University of Sheffield, Europe's best engineering university, , and arguably the worlds, whilst living a 2 mins walk away from Uni.
You have a few great Universities, but they are all a rip off and only for people who can afford them, which most working people can't.
And I've had medical problems all my life (type 1 diabetes + complications) which would be uninsurable in the US, leaving me probably dead. I earn a £45000 a year and pay 7,403.00 in tax. I'd take the Sanders option and become an economic superpower with the best educated workforce in the world, but if Americans don't want their kids educated, then fair enough.
>>671981785
>taxes depend on the NUMBER of people that are rich
Its like knowing fallacies just taught people how to make shit threads.
>>671986505
Just drunk mate. Calm yourself brother. Ain't no need to get all antsy over the internet.
>>671986532
I'm going to come to Australia and start calling everyone a cunt and see how many new friends I can make.
>>671986612
Ay, you're excused then. Onya cunt.
>>671986672
If you say it in a foreign accent you'll probably get knocked out.
>>671986672
I just said you call stranger mate. And your mates, mate. You go around calling people's cunt and your gonna end up in hospital. But once you've met someone a few times cunts fine enough
>>671985836
>>671986680
Fucken oath. Take care of yourself out there mate
>>671986732
I imagine it would be a lot like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2G3x0CF74I
>>671986890
wow he really does have nubby little sausage fingers
>>671986429
I've been intrested in politics all my life mate, and have relatives living in the US. Don't think you are culturally or economicly relevant because you aren't - only thing the rest of the world get's from America are Guns, Movies and Wheat. Global warming will kill you're crops in the next 20 years, the rest of the world are buying less and less weapons (hence pro gun propoganda in US and bloated military budget) and our movies are better. When you completely collapse, I will miss Bill O'reilly, best comedian on television.
hey kangaretards, get a room and fuck already, or shove a didgeridoo in your cunts and stop posting.
>>671986061
I'm not your bloke, cunt.
>>671987028
Fuck off ya bloodied dogs cunt rag.
>>671987028
If you took a leaf from our book your country would be less of a fucking shithole, amerifaggot. You know when your leading presidential candidates include Donald Trump, a Goldman Sachs puppet and a Jewish communist that your country is fucked in the arse, get fucked cunt.
>>671981785
It doesn't matter who is president, taxes are going up on the rich first, then slowly into the middle class.
It's simple economics. The Bush Tax cuts and all the other cuts on the rich have fucked us.
Look at Kansas for truth.
>>671982113
You could also tax their property and holdings within the US, buildings cant get up and leave, along with sales tax on the sale of said buildings and holdings and taxes on any money those holdings and buildings make (eg shops, rent etc)
>>671985098
>company's
>racist anecdote
Way to add to your credibility there bud. The truth s thay in all likelyhood more and more jobs will become automated or will be outsourced. Automating low skill work like burger flipping will drive down costs. But there will also be a greater divide between the classes. There's also people who think that the future will be dystopian. The angry 99%ers and their emotionally charged rhetoric which the media has weaponized don't realize that this kind of change won't be reversed by attacking the rich. I mean ffs the fucking protests that happened did nothing but give the media material and provide easy access to victims for rapists among all the chaos. it was revealed that some wall street asswipe sent emails about where to protest for shits and giggles.
the main thing going against people is their lack of understanding. Look at the asshole who blames poor people for being too poor live in places with easy access to healthy food. Being an uninormed ass is annpying as heck.
>>671982903
Doesn't that just admit that capitalism itself will inflate and enslave the world? A country having to beg rich families to come back?
>>671983668
They are when they are so high nobody has money to buy things. The gibsmedats the money goes to don't do anything useful with it, they just shit out kids and buy new nikes.
The US is the only Country where the rich leech off the middle and lower classes and are actually cheered for it while people wanting change are insulted as communists.
Your country isnt great because you are so great. Your country is great because the majority of your people are willing to go into debt, pay insane prices to live and are blinded by the american dream while a bunch of sociopaths and wealthy elitists are making a living off their stuidity.
>>671982432
It's already 73%. Bernie will up it to 90%. Progressive tax brackets hoooo
These rich people are going to private jet the fuck out of america so fast
>>671988399
Yeah because socialist countries like the netherlands, sweden, germany et. al. with their 70% taxes on the lowest income brackets to pay for the huge amount of refugees and other work refusing niggers sounds like paradise.
29% "social taxes" + 2% income tax + 21% VAT + 10% "pension fund taxes" here in the Netherlands. Meanwhile social renting space is given to refugees and people who can't afford a house have to wait 20 to 25 years to get into an affordable home IF THEY ARE LUCKY.
Fuck socialism. It's slavery of the worst kind.
>>671988471
Why would tycoons who make hundreds of billions every year from selling goods to Americans move elsewhere??
and 1 in 4 aren't paying ANY tax regardless?? But if you didn't pay you'd go to jail?
Enjoy voting for you're own shackles dumbass
>>671988471
Where did you get 73%? Taxable income over $400,000 is 39.6%
>>671988860
>shackles
>Trump is going to lower taxes for everyone to give the people spending power again to make their own decisions
>>671982230
This
>>671988757
And Americans can afford to buy homes?? You can't even look after your sick people or people with long term health conditions.
America has been relatively ok with housing because there is a lot of green land and natural resources compared to Sweden, Denmark and the UK.
What do you think will happen when trump builds his wall, and uses all the American Construction workforce and Natural Resources to build it. House prices will SOAR! So will energy prices due to you're over dependence on fossil fuels.
That's without highlighting the issue of the poor quality of privately owned property in the US, and the lack of social housing that you can't build because you don't have the federal funds.
>>671985207
No, they would move to another country and then we would just be poor
shut the fuck up americunts
even europeans like me know that either trump or clinton will win
Wow someone who knows what they're talking about.
>>671989345
Yeah, I'm sure the pharmaceutical and health insurance companies that only deal with the US will move.
And companies like Walmart, Gun manufacturers etc who only do business in the US. They will just shut down and move tommorow.
I'm being sarcastic if you didn't realise.
>>671981785
Defecit has dropped for 1.2 trillion to 800 billion under Obama, you are on track.
Continue investing in education, green power and public medicine, or you are fucked in 20 years. You may already be fucked - highest youth unemployment rate in the world, and one of the least skilled workforces.
>>671989328
>What do you think will happen when trump builds his wall
Suddenly there's housing available for refurbishing for 30 million people. Housing prices will be good for a long time.
>>671989795
Didn't he print like 1.4 trillion dollars and raise the debt ceiling a lot though?
>>671981785
>implying the democrats haven't already fully destroyed the middle class
Nigga please
>>671988757
yes, trying to blame refugees with obviously false facts is always good.
You are probably one of those idiots that expect to become rich as soon as you live in the holy land, am I right?
>>671990020
What do you mean, false facts? I run a business in the Netherlands and I have to work 7 days a week because hiring staff is too expensive due to all the taxation going on.
>>671988399
But isn't it your typical middle class Americans themselves who hold onto this grand delusion that "anyone" can become rich? So there isn't strong opposition over the taxation b/c THE ECONOMUH or some shit?
Voting is useless anyway. the president doesn't have the freedom to pass whatever laws he wants even if he wasn't in servitude to the corporations. everything's corrupt as shit.
>>671988757
are you fucking joking? you sound extremely bitter. Boo hoo there's refugees not living in tents out in the street who get to have access to freaking HOUSING? Being a homeless refugee must be sweet af! You should try being forced to leave your country and use sketchy transportation over miles of water and endure dozens of hours on buses and borders. How insufferable can you get?
>>671989796
Wall will be completely innefective and a waste of tax money (you have more immigrants coming by boat via Europe you plebian, and more mexicans leaving the US due to properity of Mexico and racism than are coming in)
That's without addressing the issue that Immigration creates a net profit in every other economy in the world - If you were willing to issue more visa's to tax immigrants you wouldn't have an illegal problem to begin with mate.
In 10 years when you are working for $3 an hour with no healthcare, no schools and no unions you'll be climbing that wall to get to mexico.
>>671990337
THIS. People don't realize that immigrants from Mexico and SA who may not have a green card or speak the language typically have jobs that NO ONE BORN HERE WANTS. Menial work like picking fruit for pennies an hour or (this is not an exaggeration) chopping meat for upwards of 12 hours a day in factories. They cannot unionize or speak against maltreatment b/c they fear deportation. Mexicans aren't taking your jobs.
>>671982230
Why mindless people like you wany someone to lead them? Is it Because you're so dumpass you can't contribute to society without laws.
>>671989955
Yes but 1.4 trillion is chumps change compared to what private banks print every day. Individuals in America are in more debt that any other country in the world - the average student in $100,000 of it. Whenever you take out a loan, the bank creates the money that you are borrowing from them, the same way Obama created 1.4 trillion. This is called quantitative easing, and was successfull in Obama's case.
The issue when creating money is that it makes money that is already in existence less valuable, i.e inflation. Obama was conservative with his 1.2 trillion and it didn't have a major effect - you're 1 buck is worth roughly the same (ever so slightly less) as it was before quantitative easing took place.
The elite in your country typically have around 50 - 100 billion in holdings however, so fox news ect will consistantly tell you that this did have a significant effect, as a 1% change is devastating to the people who control the media. The important thing is that you're economy grows, from long term, good jobs, which brings in more money, which brings in more tax
The Democrat way to do this is to invest in public infastructure - new roads, hospitals, public run medicine, which gives ordinary people more money to spend, which helps businesses do better. People who weren't paying taxes because they lived in poverty, now are, and small businesses in poor areas that were struggling now have a lot more custom.
The Republican way of doing it is to give tax breaks to corporations, and the wealthy elite. The hope is that the extra income will give these corporations the confidence to invest in new jobs and factories ect in the US. This hasn't been happening however, and the richest 1% of you're country has been hording money for the past decade. There's also a worrying trend with trade agreements with china, and now TTIP which allows these jobs to be moved overseas. Bernie has publicly stated multiple times that he will abolish these trade agreements.
>>671991428
see this video if you are interested
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM
>>671990173
>You should try being forced to leave your country and use sketchy transportation over miles of water and endure dozens of hours on buses and borders.
Hahaha this is what you actually believe? Reporters with translators went through these camps and to Lebanon and found out, Lebanon is almost empty. It's not even at war, but they look and sound almost exactly like syrians. Most of the syrians who come here have been living safely in Turkey for 4 years. Meanwhile ISIS sells legit Syrian passports to Lebanese for 100 dollars each.
Where's Saudi Arabia in all this? They can sponsor MOSQUES in GERMANY with 200 million dollars, but how many refugees have they taken in? None.
According to a census held among "refugees" across, 93% of them are males between 20 and 35. They come from Turkey, Ukraine, Morocco, Algeria, Nigeria, Eritrea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and yes, very few actually come from Syria. Remember that terrorist who blew up 8 German tourists in Turkey? That was a registered Syrian refugee.
The fact is, these people travel through 3000 km of countries that are NOT at war, to go to Sweden, The Netherlands, the UK or other welfare giving states. They are parasites who risk the lives of their children willingly for a little sympathy in hopes of getting in illegally.
>>671990685
Be sure to tell that to people who can't find employment and the homeless. It's your fault for not wanting certain jobs.
>>671991951
All sandniggers should be ground up and buried in a ME sandbox.
>>671990337
>you have more immigrants coming by boat via Europe
Yes, because the greek and italian coast guard aren't shooting at these people, they're helping them to reach dry land.
America is not so nice. Radar, satellites, drones and the coast guard can easily stop almost all attempts.
>>671981785
you flunked high school math didn't you pal
>>671991951
HAHAHAHAHA OH WOW, Europe is being cucked hard by people who aren't even fleeing from something. These assholes fly to Turkey, then get on a boat for a few miles and pretend they're Syrian! This is just too beautiful
http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/07/the-men-who-pretend-to-be-syrian-refugees-greece/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3235972/How-genuine-Europe-locks-borders-eye-witnesses-claim-fewer-refugees-Germany-Syrian-ISIS-infiltrators.html
https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2013/10/05/lebanese-boat-people-pretending-to-be-syrians-die-off-indonesia-blame-placed-on-australia/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/migrants-are-disguising-themselves-as-syrians-to-gain-entry-to-europe/2015/09/22/827c6026-5bd8-11e5-8475-781cc9851652_story.html
>>671991951
I'm sure they are loving watching there children die on the way over here, rubbing there hands thinking about the £30 a week the british government will give to refugee families. I spend about £100 on a weekly shop for a family of 5 to put that into perspective, and I shop at ASDA, Walmart of the UK.
There will be a lot of terrorism coming across as well, as you know, the UK and US are the cause of the instability in the region, and you did drop hundreds of bombs on them. Remember when you're president lied about WMD's in the middle east, so the Koch brothers could build an oil pipeline?? So do people living in the middle east.
Read about the Syrian who cut of a childs head in Russia and ran into a police station shouting "Alu Ahkbar, you kill my child I kill yours!"? That should tell you all you need to know.
Keep escalating your military budget and killing your young people and you'll find out the true nature of what terrorism is about. And while I'm on the subject, If you won't pay the taxes to pay for the medical bills and housing of your wounded veterans, maybe you shouldn't send them into an illegal war to begin with.
>>671992211
The southern border stops 'almost' all attempts.
>>671993051
>implying Arabs and Persians are human and have value t their worthless lives
>suporting these vermin and defending their all their actions
>another high and mighty arrogant snaggletoothed British faggot
If you love your precious ME scum so bad, go live with them. Oh wait, you already are you spineless weakling. Get out your rug, it's prayer time with your masters.
>>671981785
Typical "arguments" out from some stupid ass faggot who wants fucking trump to win. Fuck off, and go suck that cunt's ball if he has any.
>>671991951
That's still paranoid conspirafag shit that doesn't have a shred of evidence to back it up. Do you honestly think your biased conjecture can replace what's been reported and verified by far more reliable sources. You speak as if you expect everyone here to be another paranoiac right winger who's just as comfortable entertaining a willful suspension of disbelief if it'll follow their prejudiced notions.
Are you saying that EVERY SINGLE ONE of these refugees is lying to journalists? Even a small percentage of people were theoretically Lebanese (although unlikely), who in their right mind would want to place themselves in such a situation? Oh right, to steal the great white yuro-peen's housing and leech off gov't aid because as everyone knows, the refugees are just handed all the money and housing they could ever need while everyone else is struggling to maintain their standards of living amirite.
> have been living safely in Turkey for 4 years
>Many of the Syrians pouring into Europe have been living in Turkey for months, sometimes years. They complain that Turkey's failure to grant them full refugee status has made it a struggle to access basic services and jobs.
MY GOD, those greedy bastards! JOBS?! Basic services?! HOW DARE THEY
http://reliefweb.int/report/turkey/refugees-blocked-near-turkey-greece-border-disperse
I've read more or less the same reports from various sources.
>>671993781
Also there is the stability factor you fucking potato. These animals can only ruin everything where they live, having destroyed the last best they move on to the temporary stability in Europe till they destroy it too. They are parasitic filth.
Dumbass faggot.
>>671984440
What an idiot you are...
>hurr if we tax the rich, they'll leave
what kind of stockholm syndrome cuck thinking is this? we should let the ultra-wealthy keep fucking us because if we stop them, they'll run off and start fucking someone else?
here's your logic applied to rape
>i'm being raped
>i can fight back
>but if i do, he'll just go rape someone else
>i'll be alone then
>better let him keep raping me
>>671994177
>let the ultra-wealthy will pay all the taxes
>let
look around you. the middle class are picking up the bill.
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>>671993618
Live in an all white community full of spineless racists like you. Seen one of my best friends stabbed for being a 'Fucking Paki who needs to learn how to speak fucking english'. He's 3rd generation english atheist, and a Junior doctor in the UK who's saved hundreds of lives.
Quips on religion coming from someone who lives in a country where 70% of the population goes to church on a sunday whilst supporting an illegal war.
Keep going mate, because everytime you come out with stupid shite like this the left wing just gets more and more support.
One last tip - you tend to find that newspapers owned by billions (Murdoch for your sources) with other business interests don't print the truth - only individuals do. Bernie Sanders will get his message on TV using donations from ordinary folk, and even republicans will become aware. Then, Sanders will destroy trump at the presidential debate, using nothing but common sense and facts, and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.
Keep going though pal, we need all the support we can get.
>>671981785
https://youtu.be/Z8P3Ivy7FAE end thread
>>671984016
>reduce world population
How is it anyone's right to decided who would live and who would die? What kind of degenerate regressed thinking is that?
>educate the masses and get rid of religion
How are you going to educate everyone? What are you going to teach them? What if some people don't want to learn what you're teaching them? What if the majority of people don't want to learn what you are teaching them?
>automate most things and provide basic income
In other words, robots work, people just get money. Who is going to provide this "basic income"? The government can't do this, there won't be enough people to tax.
Nothing here would last.
Theoretically speaking, if the population were to be reduced it wouldn't stay reduced. People reproduce very quickly. No one is going to agree peacefully to be sterilized or killed to maintain the population cap, and if a governing body were to attempt it by force, people would revolt. With the population cap in state, the military/civilian ratio would be vastly in favor of the civilian, and with such a small population any civilian casualties would have catastrophic long term effects on the human race.
Religion would never be abolished. There are too many supporters who would deem this an extreme violation of their rights, not to mention the more violent religious followers like Islam.
People are lazy. If you give them money every month to live on for free they will never, ever aspire to anything. They will live comfortably like good little parasites.
>>671994177
here's a list of places with no income taxes
>UAE
>Qatar
>Oman
>Kuwait
>Bahrain
>Saudi Arabia
huh, all of these are islamic shitholes where if you aren't ultrawealthy, you're dicked. no personal freedoms and the royal families have their dicks in everything.
everything is pegged to oil but no worries because that'll NEVER run out or be subject to price fluctuations, right?
living in a desert isn't sustainable long-term, especially with drought and average temperatures on the rise
social services are widespread but shitty.
>Cayman Islands
>Bermuda
>Bahamas
tiny countries with not a whole lot of potenial to grow. you don't pay taxes, but you pay so much more for property taxes and to import everything you need.
should be fun living on tiny islands when sea levels start to rise
>Brunei
tiny country with 90% of its GDP based on fossil fuels. i promise you that isn't sustainable long term
Ever wonder why the rich haven't flocked to these places yet en-masse?
>>671994165
>They are parasitic filth.
And your are just another hysterical, xenophobic moron on /b/ who sees the refugees as the perfect target to direct resentment at. Your reasoning ability's hampered by your emotions and completely ineffective. It's like watching a toddler throwing a tantrum.
I realize that this kind of juvenile shit is ubiquitous here but come on.
>>671989795
For all of you who dont realize:
A deficit is what the annual fiscal year will cost to run in excess of what is in the treasury.
A debt is what is owed to creditors.
A deficit is a first derivative of debt.
>>671995037
>People are lazy. If you give them money every month to live on for free they will never, ever aspire to anything. They will live comfortably like good little parasites
That's why America are becoming less and less relevant economically relevant, everyday compare to more Socialist European countries.
Your advanced manufacturing has moved to Germany, your services to England and that's without mentioning Mexicio, China, or what TTIP will do.
You don't give people money for nothing, you give them oppurtunity, in jobs, education and cheap housing so they can make a go of things. Socialist / Capitalist countries don't give massive handouts, they give enough money for people who be out on the street to survive in a low standard of living temporarily. These people then eventually get a job, or start a business and pay taxes. Uk claimants get £110 a fortnight, and most claimants are back in work within 3 months. In the US they would be homeless.
>"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires" - Steinbeck
>>671982204
>"I demand a higher quality of free user created content, and your a stupid inbread Crack baby for not providing it."
>>671991951
most of the gulf states don't give two fucks, and you should never have expected them to
they gave the same amount of fucks over helping palestinians (zero).
arab and muslim solidarity is a massive myth
>>671981785
What the drumpf did you just drumpfing say about me, you little drumpf? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my drumpf in the Navy drumpfs, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Drumpf-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed drumpfs. I am trained in Drumpf warfare © and I’m the top drumpf in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another drumpf. I will wipe you the drumpf out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this drumpf, mark my drumpfing words. You think you can get away with saying that drumpf to me over the drumpf? Think again, drumpfer. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of drumpfs across the USA and your drumpf is being traced right now so you better prepare for the drumpf, drumpf. The drumpf that wipes out the pathetic little drumpf you call your life. You’re drumpfing dead, kid. I can be drumpf, anytime, and I can drumpf you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare drumpfs. Not only am I extensively trained in Drumpf combat ©, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the drumpf Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable drumpf off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy drumpf your little “drumpf” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking drumpf. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the drumpf, you goddamn drumpf. I will drumpf fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re drumpfing dead, drumpf.
>>671981785
citation needed, dipshit.
>>671995513
To get out of debt, you build a stable economy where year on year you are collecting more taxes to pay off this debt. You do this by investing in infastructure, like Obama has.
(and you certainly don't facilitate tax avoidance)
>www.demos.org/data-byte/federal-revenue-lost-tax-evasion
>"Tax evasion will cost the U.S. government $305 billion in 2010 and has cost $3 trillion over the past decade"
It's impossible to get current figures due to media cover up so apologies.
>>671982879
That's not an argument.
>>671983035
Imagine the savings from a single payer system on that scale.
>>671988387
Yknow racism is funny and all that but it really shouldnt inform policy.
>>671996185
yes, it is. it's a perfect example of how dirty librul faget countries can provide basic human rights without going bankrupt. the only problem is we're run by corporatists and retards like you who elect them into positions of power year after year.
there is absolutely no excuse for how fucked up this country is.
>>671992098
But the unemployed STILL dont want those jobs. It is well documented that people with education just stop looking for work instead of working in the fields.
>>671981785
The more people, the more people to tax and we have more rich people than any other country. Pretty sure op needs some free Bernie learning
>>671997277
because they can't find work that will pay off their student debt - typically stopping looking for work after the 12 months mark.
Vast majority however find it within 3 months, same as UK.
