Hey faggots, out of curiosity what is your take on a $15 minimum wage increase throughout the United States? I think it's a shit idea and were just paying more for dudes to suck each other off in the bathroom at work.
>>670976275
>I think it's a shit idea
I agree, it is a shit idea.
PS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joVFKR7VcEM
>>670976275
Eh, it won't change anything in the long run. People just vote for it because people think they can bvote a great life for everyone. As if 75% of the population aren't fuck ups.
$15 min wage = niggers can't collect welfare and more money into taxes. Win win?
>>670976275
I got a blowjob at work once, not in the bathroom though, in a company car. We were two fags on the road selling water filters to retired folks, and he just came out and suggested it. He was very talented too. I sucked him after, he had a little feminine penis, it was cute.
Minimum wage should actual be a viable living wage. Up the minimum wage, cut welfare across the board.
It would cause companies that pay people that little to have to lay off people to keep their costs about the same. Whatever labor expensive increase they cannot eliminate will then be passed along to its customers, causing prices to go up across the board for everything that uses no-skilled workers, such as fast food places, retail stores, food (farms), etc. But Big Labor will be happy as so much of their contracts are based on minimum wage times a multiple or minimum wage plus 10 dollars to set the bottom of their own pay scales.
So what products use big labor? Mostly manufacturing and government workers.
>>670976550
There should not be a mimimum wage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j01L69eXdI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siW0YAAfX6I
>>670976550
What do we do when we increase the minimum wage but welfare costs keep rising?
>>670976603
>he believes this
>>670976848
>>670976761
>>670976603
>>670976550
>>670976522
>>670976504
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>>670976400
All productive answers, keep the coming I'm trying to make my own stand point regarding this.
I personally think it'll increase inflation
Devalue the dollar and make it so shitskins can dump fries into a vat of bacon grease and make as much as me when I'm a auto technician.
>>670976522
Sometimes I just what
Minimum Wage Hikes.
Corporate Tax Hikes.
Massive penalty's and levy's for outsourced labor.
Give the IRS their fangs back.
Make America Great Again.
Come at me Niggers.
>>670976275
fucking A
obviously the people pushing for it are just too lazy to go to school and get a better job. i've worked at fast food places and retail stores with minimum wage, that work is not worth more than minimum wage because it is too easy. those jobs are designed to employ teenagers.
>>670977299
Who's A are you going to fuck with those dubs?
>>670977043
It does bring competition back to capitalism. If Coke still keeps a bottle of pop (after everything costs 51c to make) same price as today, however, pepsi kicks up prices, you will see more people go with coke. I would say yes, All companies could be cucks and jump up all together... However, Business in Business and most will try to get an edge and under cut the other. $15 an hour a funny thing... why? because shit would go bananas... B A N A N A S.
I think the minimum wage should be exactly 9487r92872398r32984u329er nigger nigger nigger nigger dollars and hour and cakes and kittens and puppies and ponies because bernie sanders said so and he shall save me from the oppression of the racist donald trump 1% types who did slavery and jim crow and institutional racism.
think of it-- a world where the rich paid their fair share in taxes and I didn't have to work so I could have the free time to write my wonderful novel about the struggles of a black trans lesbian woman living in washington dc who by the sweat of her own beautiful brow managed to win the presidency of the united states of america to create a society in which the rich paid their fair share of taxes to black trans lesbian women could express their sexuality without the fear of rape culture lurking behind the shadows of every single corner in america.
I think that single people should be able to live alone comfortably in their area if they work full time at minimum wage.
I think that if you make minimum wage, you should not have a child, let alone multiple children.
Right now you can't live comfortably at minimum wage almost anywhere short of the suburbs of a high minimum wage state where it cost nothing to live.
If you are making like $12/hour in a place where it only costs like $500 a month in rent for a decent apartment, you are set. Unfortunately most people are making ~$8-10 an hour and live in places where a decent apartment (aka not in the ghetto) are like $1200+ a month.
>>670977541
Best part is this ugly ass chick probably makes more then you cuck.
>>670977643
About $900 a month where I'm at which is still very hard to do at minimum wage but yes I think you have a solid point
nice one republifag
>>670977643
I agree until living alone on min. The only reason I say no to this is other costs. someone spent x amount on land, building, and what not. x doesn't = $300 a month
>>670977801
Are you serious right now?
>>670977671
I see only beauty in the face of that glorious shining example of a wonderful healthy woman, you white privileged CIS MAN!
>>670978024
You're right. I hope she gets paid in "9487r92872398r32984u329er nigger nigger nigger nigger" Dollars.
>>670976275
Op is fucking right and you lazy faggots will imply is bait.
>>670978394
>>670976275
The problem is you instantly assume a person working a minimum wage job just fucks around and doesn't work hard. Stop assuming you know everything about everyone's life. Virtually all jobs are worthy of basic respect because they all meet a demand. If there weren't any people working at restaurants, stores, in maintenance, etc. you wouldn't benefit from their existence like you do now. You take it for granted. The point is not even that these people should live up to your arbitrary standards, the point is that if you're working full time in America, you should at least be able to, you know, live. Idk what's so offensive about that
>>670978394
I have no idea how this is bait Kek
>>670978692
>>670976275
Lrn2 Inflation
>>670978663
I worked at Safeway for a slight bit more than minimum wage and found a career I didn't have to go to school for that payed twice as much within three years, I'm sure I have no idea.
I have just a high school diploma and im finally getting paid 32k, yearly salary, im 31.
No way mcniggers deserve to get paid 15 bucks.
>>670976275
As a poorfag, I find $15/hr minimum to be absurd.
Most entry level jobs pay minimum wage.
If you want more money, work a higher level job.
I will say, that there are some people who get paid too little for the jobs they do, but its not the mass of mcdonalds employees who think they deserve it that's for sure
>>670978663
I like dis
>>670976275
grfinkul
>>670978936
Congratulations on having the moral development of a seven year old.
>>670976275
farfignewton
>>670978974
Have you worked at a mcshit? I haven't... still wouldn't work in that shit hole for $15 an hour
>>670978974
Have you worked at a mcshit? I haven't... still wouldn't work in that shit hole for $15 an hour..
>>670978780
Minimum wages cause inflation, dum dum.
If the market determines that a fast food worker is worth $5 an hour and a carpenter is worth $20 an hour, it means that society values an hour of carpentry x4 more than an hour of fast-food work.
If the wage of a fast food worker is raised to $10 an hour due to law, it won't change how society values the work of a carpenter compared to a fast food worker--it will still be valued x4 more, meaning the price for an hour's work for a carpenter will rise to $40 an hour.
Money is an intermediary between the exchange of goods and services. If you inflate the wage for a particular service, other services will eventually adjust accordingly.
Your "solution" to the problem of inflation is one of the causes of the problem you're trying to address.
>>670976275
soebeedoo
>>670979203 The minimum wage has been fucking 7.25 for almost 10 years and yet prices are constantly going up. what are you some kind of queer bate or something?
>>670979383
I bet the people sitting on the yacht in the top pic are educated people on vacation--people who have a degree and provide a service that others find valuable.
The people on the bottom pic probably shoveled coal into a blast furnace or some other menial shit.
Rich people being rich doesn't cause poor people to be poor, and earning a high wage does not mean you're stealing money from another person.
$0.50 a year rise? $1 a year rise for a few years? Maybe businesses already struggling could handle it.
Basically double the minimum wage in one hit? What could go wrong?
anon from "ohmygodsocialists" germany here.
we have a minimum wage - its 8€ per hour.
15 dollars is fucking ridiculous. bad idea!
also, if you have THAT many people that live off of shit jobs, you have a massive problem.
>>670979203
Why do you believe this? A person is paid however much it takes to get someone in the chair. It has nothing to do with how much they produce or how much more valuable their work is compared to someone else.
>>670979203
>If the market determines
Since the "market" has never produced enough jobs for everyone that wants to work, labor rates are guaranteed to be undervalued.
Since _someone_ is always looking for work, wages will always trend downwards at the bottom, even to the point of actual starvation.
That's why we spend tens of billions each year on food stamps for WORKING people, because it allows McD's and WallMart to pay people less than it costs to feed themselves.
>>670979428
Housing prices are increasing due to land use regulation that impedes builders from building homes, reducing the supply and thereby increasing demand and price.
College costs are rising because of government subsidies that artificially increase demand, so colleges raise cost to soak in more revenue.
The US spends more money per capita on healthcare than any other developed country, and costs a shitload. Subsidizing college/healthcare ultimately results in higher prices due to artificially increasing demand.
I never said that minimum wages are the sole cause of inflation. They are one of many. Policy is the cause of inflation, not natural market forces.
>>670976275
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>fuck poor people. They should work hard
They are working pretty hard. Long hours, low pay, hard labor or dealing with the public. Ouch.
>Well they should find a better job
I'm sure they want to. Only good jobs are very difficult to come by
>well they should go to school so they can find a better job
True but school is prohibitively expensive for a lot of people, especially the poor people who work crappy jobs and need it the most. Plus it's hard to go to school and work at the same time and be able to survive alone. Plus there's no guarantee you'll even get a good job if you manage to graduate because there aren't enough good jobs out there y'know?
>well i found a good job so why can't everyone else do it
Because you're not everyone else and everyone has different circumstances in their life. Things aren't that simple unfortunately. Sounds dumb but yeah capitalism is set up to where the vast majority of people are at the bottom. That's the only way it can survive. Kinda sucks
>Well they should work harder. And i hate niggers
Okay
>>670979605
>--people who have a degree and provide a service that others find valuable.
Lol, no.
Almost all wealthy people are ultimately brokers, spending investor's money to pay someone else less than they're worth to produce a profit, then returning some of that profit to investors and keeping some for themselves.
Surely you know that MOST people go to work every day and produce goods and services society finds valuable.
None of THOSE people are rich.
>>670978663
>Virtually all jobs are worthy of basic respect because they all meet a demand.
True that.
The problem is asserting that all jobs are worth a set amount.
Do you think a Walmart door greater should make the same as a doctor?
If your answer is no, then you should realize that the free market can set wages.
i.e. If your work is worth more, you will earn more.
>>670976275
Australia has a minimum wage of like $18hr, i couldnt even fathom living on $15hr
>>670979605
You're pathetic dude
38 hours a week in Australia. Full time, medicare system, affordable housing. Why are you cunts so lazy and inept? Work harder.
If they do $15 minimum wage, or $20, or some other magical "livable wage", all it's going to do is trigger hyper-inflation as the rest of the market scales everything up to match. It might take a few years, but if we get a $15 min wage bread will be $8 a loaf, milk will be $11 a gallon, and pretty soon we'll be in the exact same situation.
Min wage at around $8 is appropriate. It matches the economic landscape. If you feel like you need a "livable" wage, learn some skills and find better work. Where I work is always hiring chemists and engineers, and we have enough janitors and food service people already.
>>670980326
Clearly the work of brokers is valued higher than the work of an obese negress who works the cash register at McDonalds.
>>670980519
you mad bro?
>>670980369
>i.e. If your work is worth more, you will earn more.
Nope.
Door greeters get paid less because they're less rare than doctors.
Labor rates are based on supply and demand.
Management wants to pay as little as they can for labor, so they wind up paying the market value, not the intrinsic value.
>>670980581
>Clearly the work of brokers is valued higher than the work of an obese negress who works the cash register at McDonalds.
"valued higher"
Unless you make millions a year, gaming the system is "valued higher" than whatever you do, too.
In fact it's "valued higher" than producing any actual goods or services.
Brokers are the actual leaches, because if all the normal people (like you, me, and the minimum wage crowd) just stopped working, we'd all starve, but if all the brokers stopped "working", you'd hardly notice the difference.
>>670976275
Conservatives are always saying that raising the minimum wage too high would destroy the economy, and that makes me so fucking aroused...
>>670980313
Working hard =/= working smart
Good jobs are "difficult to come by" because it's difficult to earn a degree
>school is expensive
That's the beauty of community college--it is very affordable and can qualify you to earn well over minimum wage. It won't make you rich, but you'll be able to support yourself and develop your career portfolio
>life chances
Life isn't fair kiddo. The first law of economics is the law of scarcity--people have unlimited wants and limited resources.
>>670976275
>those jobs are designed to employ teenagers
>those jobs were designed to employ teenagers
Fixed it for you.
This was the case back when had actual manufacturing jobs, where people with minimum education could still get by, but here's what happened
>Faggots like you voted in people who happily let companies ship jobs overseas with no penalty
>Faggots like you happily voted in people who defanged the unions
>Faggots like you happily voted in people who slashed education budgets so that people couldn't retrain for different jobs without going into massive debt
your fucking fiscal-cuck-conservatism did this
>inb4 automation will replace you at 15/hr
automation will replace you regardless of wages, unless you're willing to work for less than the cost of the electricity to run the fucking automation.
>>670980313
> I'm sure they want to. Only good jobs are very difficult to come by
this issue is not unknown. the argument here is that among the possibilities to fix this, we all voted for the most lazy and simple solution, without considering the consequences.
being said, some people have lots of money and can buy a brand new truck outright, that does not mean we all deserve a brand new truck. The entitlement is non-existant.
however, the opportunity to improvement is existant, which is difficult to achieve, but is expected to be. this you must agree with?
>>670980937
>Good jobs are "difficult to come by" because it's difficult to earn a degree
>Good jobs are "difficult to come by" because everybody wants one, and there just isn't enough to do to keep everybody busy 2000 hours a year.
FTFY
>>670977179
this guy is right!
I'm an advocate for equal opportunity, not equal treatment of everyone. If you fix the education/wealth gap and the healthcare availability problems, wage disparity will take care of itself with the most qualified people rising to the top automatically.
>>670980900
Explain to me how learning how to manage investments and applying that skill is "gaming the system"?
It is a skill--a skill that requires years of education. A fast food employee can be trained to do their job in 2 weeks.
>>670981118
who is gonna work in mcdonalds then ?
no one ?
>>670976275
Fuck the sistem bro , thats what i think
>>670977043
lol. Don't worry about it, bro. If they raise it to $15 and hour, who is going to hire ugly fat people and niggers? Nobody, that's who.
>>670979462
>"soul"
>being this retarded
>>670981138
>Explain to me how learning how to manage investments and applying that skill is "gaming the system"?
Because they get money without producing any actual goods or services.
If they made far less, you'd call them "lazy niggers", especially considering they are the ultimate beneficiaries of most welfare money.
(since most welfare goes to underpaid working people)
>>670980675
Are you trying to say that Walmart door greeters are just as valuable as doctors?
Because that's what it sounds like you are saying.
That they are worth the same, but make less because there are more of them.
>Door greeters get paid less because they're less rare than doctors.
Anyone can hangout by a fucking door.
Doctors have specific skills, and not eveyone is qualified.
i.e. Their work is worth more.
Yes they are less rare, they are aslo less skilled.
That's what makes them less rare.
Everyone is qualified to be a door greeter.
>>670980937
>Good jobs are "difficult to come by" because its difficult to earn a degree
also because we let companies ship jobs overseas, because we can't compete with a cambodian who will work for 25 cents a week and can easily be replaced when his hands get crushed in the machinery
>That's the beauty of community college
Unless they keep slashing state education funding. Then you just push people over into for-profit diploma mills like Devry or UoPhoenix
>Life isn't fair kiddo
There's some morally lazy reasoning right there.
"Oh the default setting on life is 'unfair'. I don't want to be bothered to do anything about that"
No one is saying make everyone a winner, just maybe stop expecting people to play five-card draw with 3 cards
I think it's fucking hilarious.
>Burger flippers want $15 to let a machine do all the work for them
>Clerks want $15 to pull a cart and put shit on a wall / stand
>Attendants want $15 to press a few buttons on a screen or take down names & work register
People are fucking stupid, especially when they think a $15/hr difference is going to solve everything- the cost of living is just gonna go up, and I already have enough problems with my daughter being as retarded as she is.
>Fucking stupid idea by fucking morons at McDicks
The very idea of raising min wage to $15/hr makes me 10/ 10 steaming potatoes for days mad.
>Select all the street signs
>A flag is not a street sign
FUCK YOU ALL OUR MINIMUM WAGE HERE IS $6.05
96950
>>670980519
> not understanding Surplus Value.
>>670980487
aus dollars are worth jack all. 18 australian is roughly 10 american
>>670980570
But mah college. These kids don't know they can learn a construction skill in 3 months, make 25-30 an hour and save up enough for your own business before the other faggots see a degree. lol, see a degree is the word. If you don't know people in your chosen profession personally, I hate to break it to you but you will be saying "Can I take your order?" alot.
>>670976522
Steven ??
>>670980369
My concern is not what work is worth because when people talk about what jobs are "worth more" they usually aren't talking about what job actually benefits society/economies more, they are talking about what jobs have a better connotation and what's more respected socially. I'm not saying that's what you're doing. And I don't think a McDonald's employee should be paid more than a brain surgeon but that's irrelevant. My point is if you work full time you should be able to at least support yourself. It's a complex issue but i think all this bickering about "niggers working at mcdonald's don't deserve more money" is just the same old bullshit from all throughout history that distracts us from people who legitimately deserve the blame.
>>670981427
here's the problem
these burger flippers, clerks, and attendants need the basics to survive like anyone else. If they can't afford them on what they earn, a lot of them end up on public assistance.
You end up subsidizing them via taxes, instead of just paying slightly higher prices.
Now, here's the benefit of paying these people slightly more
>they're making more than the bare minimum to survive (or less)
>now they can go buy other shit
>spending money on other shit at other places is good for the economy
>more consumers with actual money to spend is good
Henry Ford understood this. I'm not sure why you struggle with it.
>>670976275
They should pay whatever they can afford to pay. Greedy bastards.
>>670981327
then those fat ugly niggers will rape you in your sleep and steal all your shit because jails better than eating dirt off the streets. best part is your hard earned cash will be used to pay for these niggers to live like kings.
>>670980973
>automation will replace you
This is why I build and fix the automation.
>>670979428
Nigger in chief, cumlips. Taxes are going up. Things go up as taxes increas for business, whether you see it on your paycheck or not.
>>670981671
1) Define a decent life. What conditions should a person supporting themselves have? What kind of housing? What kind of amenities? etc
2) Should any given task if performed for 40 hours a week be able to be exchanged for the conditions you specify?
>>670981972
>automation to build and fix automation.
what now?
>>670982296
>automation that can design, engineer, and build new automation
Let me know when that happens and I'll panic.
>>670982296
there's no such thing
>>670981671
>My point is if you work full time you should be able to at least support yourself.
I disagree.
While it sounds nice, and fair, it's actually not.
People who have special skills, or are otherwise more valuable, should make more money.
And they fucking do.
But I do not think door greeters should make enough to afford a morgage/ car payment/ and all utilities.
Their work is not that valuable, and increasing their wage will only increase the cost of living for eveyone else.
Most of the low wage jobs are either for people just starting out( who can live with their parents untill they get a better paying job), or people who have already finished(retired and drawing a retirement check).
Besides that who is the government to tell me what I can and can't work for?
Why can't I make that descision?
Suppose I am a highschool student looking for a part time job.
Min wage is 15 an hr.
How easy would it be for me to find work?
I'm gonna say almost impossible.
Why? Because I do not have the skill set to make my work worth that much.
So by raising the minimum wage, you have made it harder for people starting out to find work.
Oh the flipside suppose there is no min wage.
A highschool student looking for work, finds no work to be found.
He or she could apply for jobs, and state their required wage to be well under the prevailing wage.
i.e. Suppose fast food workers average $10 an hr.
If work was hard to find, you could agree to work for 8$ an hr, to increse your chance of finding work.
Which is better having no job @ $15 an hr, or having a job that pays $8 an hr?
>>670976275
What a great way to accurate the process of company automates their work force. Then there will be more jobless niggers and they will demand more welfare. People will start to work two part time jobs and that motherfuckers will say there are job increase in the market. You fucken retard! That's two jobs per person and their earnings still being less than having one full time job! Minimum wage is a leftist idea. Once again proof the commies had infiltrated the West long time ago.
>>670979605
You aint never gonna get a yacht because of your degree , that right there is buisness money and all of you educated fucks will never get there by working a job , NEVA EVA
>>670976275
Don't like people bitching about minimum wage? Stop raising the cost of living and at the same time stop keeping wages stagnant. A dollar doesn't buy what it used to, hence the need for more dollars.
>>670981745
Okay, so the min wage goes up with no increase to the cost of living.
Apparently you can't fucking read, or just chose to miss it.
>Let's just increase minimum wage with NO repercussions. Housing, food, utilities, and luxuries will all be the same cost as they were before. Just give out more money because some burger boy asked for it.
>>670982600
But the brainwashed don't understannnnnnnd
>Sometimes, I imagine gasing them
>>670981020
Asking to be paid a fair livable wage when you're working full time is not the same as asking for a free truck and it's not entitlement. These people have jobs. As in, they're working. For corporations that underpay them. They aren't asking for free anything. And the opportunity to "improve" is technically existant, but that doesn't mean it's attainable. This whole concept of "hard work and gusto" seems so arbitrary to me. Obviously this system is not set up so that everyone succeeds. Even people that work hard everyday or go to school or whatever you want them to do can still suffer in poverty. And if you're going to say that's the way life is, fair enough, but don't pretend that the American Dream is a guarantee
>>670982600
Where is your compassion, you privileged white cis male?
Economics hurts my feelings because I think everyone should have everything they want, but rich people prevent them from doing so.
I don't just think minimum wage should go up, I also think everyone employed or not should get a basic income.
I think a country where everyone is guaranteed a certain standard of living at the bottom would be something to be proud of.
>>670982881
>I think everyone should have everything they want
Fantastic.
I want you to kill yourself.
Thanks.
>>670982825
Most people living in "poverty" have food, water, housing, electricity, plumbing, television, internet access, heating/air conditioning, refrigeration and a phone.
Cry me a river for these poor, downtrodden souls.
The material standard of living for the poorest of the poor in the developed world is better than the vast majority of humans who have ever existed. Capitalism is the system responsible for this.
>>670982474
machines can do everything we do. engineers arent being paid enough to design these machines, but everything we do can be duplicated
>>670982600
you disagree with basic idea that full time workers should be able to self support. I'll ignore the autism-level style of moral thinking present, and focus on your basic points
Here's the thing. people will find a way to survive.
If public assistance is available, they may use it. so you effectively subsidize them
If public assistance is not available, they may turn to more illicit means to support themselves, placing a strain on the system via more police, jails, etc. and you still end up effectively subsidizing them
>But I do not think door greeters should make enough to afford a mortgage/ car payment/ and all utilities
I really doubt the people in this scenario are getting mortgages, and if they are, that's a massive failure on the part of the banking system...which they actually went and did because we decided letting banks do whatever they want was a good idea
>Besides that who is the government to tell me what I can and can't work for?
The alternative is an effective race to the bottom, child-labor, sweatshops, etc.
A lot of your thinking seems to be based on that worn out libertarian fallacy that everyone has infinite time and resources to go around negotiating with employers for wages, and that there is no information asymmetry in these interactions.
This is not how reality works.
here's what would actually happen, you'll go in to "negotiate" for your wages, and just be told "here's what we pay. take it or go fuck yourself"
because the guy behind you is willing to work for much less to just not starve tomorrow
>>670983134
In theory, a "machine" can do anything except be creative. Those quotes are because machines are currently in a basic level. By the time a machine can do my job, I'll either be dead or uploaded into an android and not in need of a "living wage".
>>670983104
>>670982792
or the economy shrinks because no one can afford to fucking pay for anything. production falls because no one is buying the things they can't afford to pay for
crime goes up, dependence on public assistance goes up. taxes go up to pay for this.
>>670983398
Did you reply to the right person, or are you trying to combat a fucking >memearrow post ?
>>670983122
i'm not sure you know what poverty actually is.
your basic reasoning is "someone somewhere has it marginally worse than you, so be grateful when i deign to piss on your face"
Marie Antoinette had a similar line of reasoning. I don't think it worked out well for her.
>>670983282
>The alternative is an effective race to the bottom, child-labor, sweatshops, etc.
Really?
Well why hasent this happened with all occupations?
Why don't we find Dr.'s making minimum wage?
Because you're full of shit, that's why?
Because having a skill means you are worth more, and get paid more.
Don't like what you are earning?
Get some skills.
>>670976275
>>670976848
Didn't the person you replied to suggest *cutting* welfare? Why are you so stupid?
>>670976848
>>670983134
they can but their "observation skills" are still not good enough to replace an human operator yet. i mean take a car engine, say the belt snaps therefore the car doesn't work. a mechanic pops the lid and notices there's no belt, it replaces it, takes him 5 minutes. A machine would take the whole engine apart, and see that something is missing, puts it back togheter with a new belt, takes it 6 hours? that's because a machine cannot figure out on its own that something is wrong by just taking a look at it, rather has to "see" if every component it should have is there, in which case it procedes to fix it
>>670983282
Did you know the bank were blamed for being racist because some poor blacks can't get a loan? The federal reserve is part of the reason that made bank to perform risky business that wricked the economy back in 2008. So it's not the business that is bad, but the government power that cause the problem. Power corrupts people. The free market keeps everyone in check while the one who set loose and crazy are the political elites that promote the leftist idea of minimum wage.
>>670983573
because the issue isn't the top earners, it's the bottom ones.
>Don't like what you are earning?
>Get some skills.
explain where i will find the time or money to afford new training or education while working for so little money. Basic essentials don't stop being basic essentials while i stop to try and get more marketable skills
>>670983711
>People don't seem to understand that if they don't like living in the United Cucks of America they can leave
We don't even want some of the people here.
this fuckin' guy...
>>670983573
>Waiting for them to hook that industrial revolution bait
People expecting to work a full time job AND have a place to live? Madness. They should get paid the same wages they did 20 years ago, everybody knows that, it doesn't even matter that the price of living keeps going up.
Everybody knows we can't afford that, welfare is much cheaper, didn't you know? Sick people who can't afford healthcare going the E.R. and not paying is cheaper than preventative care, didn't you know?
>>670983301
>uploaded
>not paying for it
only the very few brightest minds will be creative in a way that is actually useful. everybody else will be made redundant when the bots roll in.
>>670983857
>Omfg
>the level is retardness
>go get murdered
>>670976275
>mfw hippie fucks think you can just copy paste policies from other countries without any groundwork
It's like building a house without a foundation
It's gonna fucking fall apart
>>670983711
>thinks the U.S. and Dingoland share the same econimcal practices
Who the fuck actually makes minimum wage?
You guys are pathetic.
>>670976400
das a reel nigga
>>670983959
no u
>>670983282
Also.
If someone wants to work for $3 an hr, who the fuck are you to tell them they can't?
Why not?
Because it will steal a job from someone making more?
If that job was worth what they are making, they won't get undercut.
Might I remind you once more of doctors.
Notice how they don't get undercut by cheep labor from illegals.
You know why?
SKILLS.
If you have a job, where it might be possible for some unskilled shithead to go work it for $3 an hr, then guess what, your job is not very valuable.
It's not my fault you didn't go into a more lucritive field.
Why should I be forced to subsidise your bad descisions?
Sally wanted to be a dog walker, but she can't afford to live walking dogs, we should all pitch in and give her more money.
FUCK THAT BULLSHIT.
>>670983499
Define poverty then.
Do you define poverty at whatever arbitrary income level the government designates as poor?
Also, your implied sympathy for the revolutionaries of France is so laughably ignorant.
Murdering all the rich people has never benefited the poor.
>Reign of Terror.
>>670976504
The only problem I see is the country would have a huge problem if all of a sudden those who relied solely on welfare all of a sudden went homeless or starve. I personally say to fucking bad you should've done something with your life now you can rot.
But the country won't let that happen, if it's not welfare it's something else, these people will always find handouts.
>>670983966
obviously not. dingoland is superior
>>670984007
The CEO isn't some nigger working at Mcdonalds for her welfare, food stamps, and supporting the 8 kids she has from 5 fathers and no marriages.
Fuck the people at the bottom. Fuck the right up their ugly, smelly asses.
>>670984007
If you think being a CEO of a company is so easy, how about you go and take that seat? Take all the risks?
Fucken retard
>>670984054
Oh no keep posting pictures instead of constructing any useful thoughts. That's how the lefties promote their idea
>>670984146
>implying you will ever be closer to the CEO level than the people at the bottom
>>670984066
>Murdering all the rich people has never benefited the poor
this was never a claim i made, merely that the end result would be the rich being murdered by the poor. This tends to work out poorly for everyone involved. France and Russia are prime examples
I'm not saying murder the rich. I'm saying change things before the poor rise up to murder the rich, because then we all get fucked.
>>670984007
No, he's working 1000x smarter
Managing a multi billion dollar company is an incredibly difficult task that requires years of education.
Working the cash register at one of those establishments is not.
>>670983958
Yes. We're all working our asses off to fund our own slavery and eventually our own obsolescence.
Nobodies even hiding it. Sad, sad world.
>>670984146
Yes let america be america again where everyone pulled their own weight. (Physical and metaphorical)
>>670984261
>I'm opening a hydroponics store this summer, faggot Minimum order and all that, niggers wouldn't understand, so I won't go into detail
>>670983722
and what about the countless other jobs which dont require a working brain? process workers, retailers, etc? imagine if all of a sudden every hillbilly fatass nigger wanted to become a mechanic, then the wages of skilled jobs would plummet.
>>670984219
gotta post pictures with large print. It's all republicans can understand
>>670984261
This is the spirit! Telling people they will never be CEOs
>>670984280
You still didn't define poverty.
>>670984363
Define decent living.
>>670984313
>Managing a multi billion dollar company is an incredibly difficult task that requires years of education.
obviously not a business major
>>670984363
Both parties does that because they are all lefties SL go fuck yourself
>>670984056
doctors don't get undercut because of any skills, its because of licenses to maintain high profits. if anyone was allowed to practice medicine the cost would fall massively.
>>670983122
Look up Detroit when you get a sec. And so the possible ownership of innocent creature comforts and cheap appliances that are a one time purchase or cost little to maintain automatically negates all hardships of continuous poverty?
>"You don't have drinkable water and I know you're getting evicted but you have an old tv set and people 400 years ago had it a lot worse so chin up"
>>670984437
not having to rely on government assistance to survive.
>>670984056
>Why should I be forced to subsidise your bad descisions?
since minimum wage workers need welfare to survive you are actually subsidizing the companies hiring them right now by paying your taxes.
>>670984456
If it's so goddamn easy then start your own multi million dollar company, you babbling, unwashed nigger
>>670976848
Kill all niggers/abos/welfare queens.
Welfare problems solved
>>670984469
>Both parties does that because they are all lefties SL go fuck yourself
>Both parties does
>parties does
>SL go fuck yourself
It's obvious which party you belong to.
>>670983783
>explain where i will find the time or money to afford new training or education while working for so little money.
No.
That shit is your problem.
But I know that it's possible.
Many companies promote from within.
So you could start out as an unskilled laborer, and get OTJ training, and work you way up to a better wage.
You wanna know how I know this is possible?
I'm fucking doing it bitch.
Been with a company less than 1 year, already making $2 an hr more than min wage.
Also looking forward to another $1 raise soon.
So don't give me this shit about its impossible to find skills.
You can find them at most companies.
Most companies will not only train you, but pay you while they are doing it.
You are, however, required to actually work.
Do the best you can. Show them you want to learn.
They don't promote shitbags, nor do they give them raises.(Unless the fucking government requies them to.)
>>670984541
Yes, you ingrate.
Their material standard of living is actually rather remarkable in the grand scheme of human history.
>>670984633
no desire to.
also white and had a shower this morning
>>670984374
Poverty isn't a set-in-stone line. it's relative based on where you live
Is someone living in relative poverty in washington DC doing better than the guy living in a bamboo shack in south east asia? yes. he obviously is.
what you're effectively arguing is "you haven't hit absolute rock bottom yet, so you don't get to complain"
by the same logic, you'd say 0 degrees Celcius isn't cold, because you've still got 270 or so degrees before you hit absolute zero, so stop shivering.
Relative poverty is scarcity of essential goods measured by being compared to where you live, absolute poverty is not. that just means having absolute dick-all nothing
>>670984796
Go to Google and type in "homeless america"
You ingrate.
>>670978936
You fuckers are sad. I didn't go to Cleve and I make 95k
>>670984636
You're going to end up killing mostly white, mostly rural people.
also a lot of elderly and children. those are the primary recipients of welfare
I do wish you'd kill that town of fundie mormons in Arizona/Utah who ran a massive welfare fraud scam.
>>670976275
>implying minimum is accurately defined by state law
>implying that "minimum pay" and "fair pay" isn't being conflated
>implying that an admin assistant works harder/is more skilled than a custodian
>>670978936
ditch digger?
>>670985064
Go after all religions. Those motherfuckers are so absurdly rich, they could keep multiple countries running for years to come.
>>670984800
McDonalds employs about 1.7 million people.
If you add up the salaries of the top 4 executives you get about 10.2 million dollars.
Assuming the top 4 did their job for $0, and distributed their income equally, each worker would make an extra $6 a year.
>>670985202
see
>>670983711
>>670985284
see
Basic math
>>670985177
I wish, or at least require tax-exempt status to be tied to a demonstratable social good like "your chuch runs a soup kitchen or a shelter, so you get to skip taxes this year"
no fuckery either like "oh, you ran a crisis pregnancy center and lied to a bunch of women about abotion." no. you don't get dick. You can still keep doing that, but you'll pay taxes.
unfortunately, this is political suicide. you would have people shitting themselves screaming about "muh religous liberty", right after they donate their last dollar to their local televangelist megachurch
>>670985202
While I agree that redistribution of wealth is retarded, the take home of those executives is much higher than their salaries.
>>670985401
>>670985401
>>670985401
>>670984722
You don't what you're talking about dude. I assure you that's not even remotely as common as you seem to think
>>670985651
The faggot liberals who cook up the studies you refer to arbitrarily redefine unemployment to make the numbers seem nicer.
They don't count people who give up looking for work altogether as unemployed.
It's pandering bullshit. It doesn't mean anything. It's like raising taxes on the rich, it doesn't mean anything because it only affects the middle class. The poor don't pay taxes and if you raise the tax on big business they raise prices to cover that cost passing the "hidden tax" to the middle class. Ridiculous liberal bullshit. Same will happen by raising minimum wage. Raise it from 7 to 15 all that will happen is that products prices will increase 113% to cover that expense. It's a way to pander to stupid people to get votes.
>>670985436
also the IRS has been purposefully underfunded to keep them from cracking down on this sort of fuckery
I never got the reasoning being all that "abolish the IRS" faggotry. That would be the functional equivalent of stuffing your anus with super glue and rubber cement because you don't like the having diarrhea
>>670985436
Yeah, but even if they did run soup kitchens/whatever, they would go the ultra cheap route, in order to keep making as much money as they could.
I put it to a mate the other day haul them up in front of a Judge, and simply say to them "you prove your God exists beyond a reasonable doubt, you can pay 0 tax until the end of time".
Now THAT would make things interesting. Would never happen in eleventy billion years, but we could only dream. Hahahaha
>>670977357
This so much this. The people who want this argue that it's not enough money to live on. But minimum wage was never made for someone to live on. It was made for teenagers to start working and getting experience in the workplace. Not 45 yo drop outs
>>670985851
>They don't count people who give up looking for work altogether as unemployed.
that would effect both sides of that study, genius. Think about for a second.
I have sex with men and I like it, fag
>>670985778
Oh I know it's not.
Because people are fucking lazy.
I see it at my work.
Not everyone there has the same story as me.
Then again not everyone there is working as hard as they could either.
Most people do just enough to get by.
They don't get paid more, because they don't deserve more.
But they have had the same opportunity to make more, they just didn't take it.
>>670977357
>those jobs are designed to employ teenagers.
see >>670985135
>>670985987
this was true back when we had manufacturing jobs that low-skilled people could survive on, with unions to keep their jobs relatively secure and livable
this is no longer the case. minimum wage service and retail is now what's left.
>>670976275
You've fallen for the bait and switch, you're worried about such a small thing and your corporate masters are laughing on their giant piles of money.
If the government doesn't make businesses pay a wage that people can actually afford to live on then you are paying for corporate welfare. The money that gets spent on food stamps and social welfare and medicaid to keep help out the working poor subsidizes shitty employers.
Making sure the poor have a little extra money is a good thing, they spend it, and it stimulates the economy.
Isn't that what the word "minimum" implies? This is the minimum pay you can earn yet still live on. I think that's what the minimum wage is designed for. And please stop pretending the rich much for the economy. The poor and middle class actually have to spend and circulate their money to survive. What good does it do when you have someone sitting on millions of dollars or banking it overseas. At what point when you have millions and millions just sitting there does it all become truly meaningless? Pretty disgusting
>>670980259
>>670976275
My country doesn't even have a minimum wage.. But most are unionized, so are protected against being screwed over by their employers that way..
>>670977179
upboated
>>670979203
> If the market determines
> it means that society values
he believes the market isn't rigged
keep voting for the Koch brothers
>>670976275
>>670986620
The problem with having a low minimum wage is that those jobs that are minimum wage actually cost the taxpayer money. Instead of being helpful, it operates as a subsidy to large corporations, generally, while providing no benefits to the taxpayers.
If someone is working, they shouldn't be taking in government benefits, so a minimum wage should be enough to live without government benefits.
>>670987097
it's easier to believe it isn't rigged. that somehow if you just let the chips fall where they may, everything will self-regulate and work out for the best.
it's the equivalent of setting a fire, and trusting it to not burn down your house.
its the worst kind of just-world-fallacy thinking.
>if poor people are poor its because they deserve it
>if rich people are rich its because they deserve it
>>670976275
COMMUNIST LOGIC: Give lowly, wasteful, ordinary, ape-like humans access to more monetary power. Inflate shit economy even more. Make your own currency worthless!
Trump better fucking wall it off
>>670985284
One word: Inflation
>>670980313
Shu the fuckbup faggot school in the US is not expensive if you're poor, its practically free for you. The government gives out huge grant to ppl below a certain in come with smaller and smaller grants as you go up. Beleieve the cutoff is somewhere around 55k/year. Which is a plenty good wage to live off anyways! Of poor ppl want a better job tell them to go to fucking college and if they give you bullshit "I can't afford it" tell them them to take there mouth off the government tit of welfare and start sucking the other one!
>>670976275
Reading all these capitalist american replies, defending low minimum wages and despising social security, it really makes me sick. Do you guys even have a drop of humanity in you? It's like you guys have no empathy for the less fortunate; it's not laziness that keeps them working shit-jobs.
Speaking of empathy, I don't hold much for americans. I mean, Donald Trump can't even speak english correctly, and it's a very real possibility that he becomes president. Tells something of the general american populace, don't you think?
It's not your fault for being stupid, americans. They made you like this on purpose.
>>670987662
Inflation? You're not printing more money when you raise the minimum wage. You're just making the employers pay their employees more..
I've always viewed minimum wage as a stepping stone. Not something you should make your entire life. Most people believe that minimum wage means minimum effort, and to me, that's the issue. Giving those people a massive raise isn't going to change that attitude of theirs.
>>670987770
>It's like you guys have no empathy
Exactly.
Good christian Americans
Can't wait until they crucify the second coming of Jesus.
>>670987288
thank you.
>>670987973
>Good christian Americans
look into "prosperity gospel"
try not to be enraged
>>670987770
Meh.. The Amerifags are too varied a populace to place under one comb like that.. The only thing you can say that the majority of them do is hump the bible and romanticize war.
But even if 30% of them hate the bible and don't want war, that's still 95,00,000+ people..
Minimum wage doesn't need to be 15. That's reckless and communist (lol). What it does need to be is a more accurate reflection of inflation and economic stability, which is around something dollars an hour. Raising it to 15 will just cause massive layoffs. Raising it to ten something will give a little more and not hurt business so bad. It's also a fairly accurate reflection of where wages have been historically, adjusted for inflation, where the economy stabilized.
In reality, we need a bottom to motivate us to the top. Wage equality hurts us all, and will give no incentive to create more valuable jobs.
>>670988273
*10 something.
>>670976275
I agree but I think you're overestimating the amount of homosex that goes on in the workplace
>>670988229
Bleh.. one zero too little.. Meant 95 million..
>>670982600
Riddle me this: should jobs this useless even exist? I mean, a door greeter? What the fuck is that?
Back in the 60's the dollar rode on the price of silver worker was payed by the hour at the cost of a oz of silver. So I'm not exactly in favor but then I am
I earn 14/h at McDonalds casual in Australia.
Our cost of living is so much higher than yours
From my perspective its a joke
>Raise minimum wage
>Companies lay off workers and increase product prices
>Cost of living jumps up
>Value of dollar goes down
We're back where we started. Should we raise the minimum wage again?
>>670988417
That's so incredibly rich fags don't have to open their own door like a damn dirty peasant..
>>670988499
in order for that much of a bump to be effective they'd have to put some kind of freeze on something, like rent prices or a certain commodity.
>>670988229
I know but I was being provocative on purpose. I like to make the pigs go squeal, you know?
>>670988417
If the company sees an advantage, yes
If the government is forcing the company to hire retards who otherwise wouldn't have a job, no
>>670986324
Maybe people should work to get skills then. A lot of people are living freely off of welfare and the government even when they're able-bodied citizens. Of course there will always be a select few where their financial problems have plummeted and they need a quick job for money. But their numbers don't outweigh the many that are taking money from the US
>>670988499
100% of a business's expenses is not the wages they pay their most entry level employees. Some cuck from aus just posted, he doesn't realize his min wage is more than double the US min, and some costs are higher, but most are only between 10-20% more expensive.
Set the minimum wage to go up with inflation so it's static, like the aus minimum wage.
>>670988561
It's actually to reduce theft.
>>670988707
We shouldn't give out welfare. We should employ them to provide county services. Trash cleanup, road construction, etc.
>>670988273
> thinks he's anti-communist
> doesn't realize he is a facist
>>670976275
pic related
>>670976603
No company does that, anywhere, ever.
This is the greatest myth of the minimum wage hike, "companies can't afford to keep you so they let you go". If a company could afford to let you go in the first place, they would. Companies don't add superfluous bodies to their labor expenses; certainly not companies paying minimum wage. If your job is redundant enough that a company could afford to kick you to the curb if your wage went up, they'd kick you to the curb now. You are an unnecessary expense.
What WILL happen is that the increased labor cost will drive up the prices of goods that they sell. And indeed you can measure scheduled increases in the minimum wage by watching the prices rise on McMenu items.
>>670988752
>Set the minimum wage to go up with inflation so it's static, like the aus minimum wage
Most poor people don't understand inflation anyway, so they'll think minimum wage is increasing. It's a win for everyone.
>>670988752
Reduce theft? By placing a "guard" at the entrance to the damn lobby of a bigass hotel?
What's he gonna do? Refuse to open the door for the burglars so they can't get back out?
He's their to make sure the the rich people don't dirty up their dainty paws.. It's extravagance, pure and simple..
>>670988638
That makes two of us..
>>670988889
ooooo off by one
>>670988889
MY grandfather used to own a paint store and he paid a guy to clean up around the store. The guy liked the wage he received and my grandfather could afford it. Then they raised the minium wage and my grandfather had to let the guy go.
You are full of shit and probably use this phrase mist the time in your career, "You want fries with that"
>>670979383
are you fucking retarded socialism doesn't negate capitalism
>>670987770
There are many factors that go in to being locked into a low income job. I would say motivation and availability of better jobs in your area are two big ones. I come from a retirement town in a coal mining county. Coal has gone to shit and has dragged the local economy with it. My back ground consists of that and poor parents. I have only a diploma, but I make 94k a year. I made a reputation for myself and it has gotten me jobs when I didn't have one. You can say right place, right time, right people, but I earned my way. I even had the obligations of two kids by age 22. Everything I have I have worked for, no hand outs or family status bonuses. I'm actually all for a living wage, but the economic implications of it scare me. On top of that, and this is related to the downfall of many communistic societies, fuck someone getting paid $15 an hour in a low stress, low effort job when I was paid eight to be a hard labor grunt. Then paid $14 to be in a high stress, high effort surveying position. The world isn't fair guy, but at the end of the day if you're 30 and poor, it was probably your fault.
>>670976275
If minimum wage was $5 people would complain that $6 is too much.
Fuck the tightwads.
>>670988868
This hasn't actually applied to the minimum wage in USA EVER. The last time we had a binding price floor on minimum wage, literally nothing happened of consequence. Binding price floors are supposed to create a surplus on goods because not everyone will need to supply that good at that price. However, the job market is a different story. Companies NEED people to work for them. Unemployment literally can not go up significantly based on a federal-wide binding price floor minimum wage. It's been proven countless times.
i work for minimum wage in the UK which is £5.50 an hour (for my age) and honestly its shit i havent gone to university yet so i cant go and get a 'proper' job but when im working my dick off in my bar moving furniture/making drinks/running food etc, and then i look and see the polish girl who was brought in as a hostess standing in one spot all night directing customers for nearly £9 an hour, its infuriating
>mfw at least i dont earn enough to pay tax
>>670977541
>>670983857
Inflation?
I'm not so much in favour of the minimum wage, just interested in taking what the rich earn. I mean, who the fuck needs more than $1000000 a year? That shit's just greedy
>>670976275
>>670989056
I was talking about retail environments, I have no idea why they do it in hotels, but walmart and whatever else hires greeters because there's noticeably less theft if everyone has a face to face with an employee when they walk in, it's psychology shit.
>>670976275
simple answer is, cost of living
>>670989295
cool story bro, but you realize, the equivalent of the minimum wage in the 60's was actually higher than your "high stress" surveyor job, so get off your high horse faggot and realize you got raped.
Maybe, ya know, get behind the idea that we should stop letting that kind of rape happen instead of saying, "I got raped and I'm fine now, so you should be able to do fine too."
>>670984112
The minimum wage is so high because of the high acerage income, not the other way around. If Americas median wage were that high, then 15 an hoir would be reasonable.
>>670978663
By definition if they are working unskilled labor they fucked around.
Laqueesha needs to tell her boyfriend to pull out sometimes.
No, not all jobs deserve respect. Anyone can push a broom or be a cashier. It is called a job MARKET for a reason. You are paid for your skills and if you don't have a skill you are replaceable.
Devaluing labor is bullshit and it does not occur in a bubble. The only reason it seems to work in Europe is because their economies and cost of living already fucking blow. Germany, the economic powerhouse of the EU would be in the lower 40s in economics if it was a US state.
Fuck Europe.
Fuck Socialism.
Fuck Liberals.
Fuck Democrats.
Fuck Hillary.
Fuck Bernie.
Fuck millennial voters.
>>670989122
>MY grandfather used to own a paint store and he paid a guy to clean up around the store
Your grandfather is not wal mart. He's a human being with human concerns like "I don't want to clean, really". He's hiring that "employee" like he might hire maidservice.
That's not how a corporation works. No disrespect to your ol granpappy or anyone else trying to make a personally-owned small business work, I think it's a great thing, but that's not what we're concerned with when we talk about stuff like this. We're concerned with however many million people Wal Mart and McDonald's employ.
In a corporation, employees are like chemotherapy. Nobody WANTS to buy them, they buy them because they have to if the business is going to survive. Every company hires as few employees (and gives them as few hours) as it expects it could possibly get away with. Wal Mart doesn't hire maids. They have a janitorial service they employ, but that's a fixed expense and mandatory.
Econ 101 students view employees like apples or cell phones; things where a lowered price increases demand.
Demand for labor, at the corporate level, is almost totally inelastic. A company needs X employees to do the job profitably and it will hire X employees for that purpose. It won't hire an additional 500 because "eh, what the heck, we can afford it", it will furiously slash those jobs in an effort to make Q3 profit margins look better so the CEO gets his bonus.
This is basic economic fact. Labor demand is inelastic.
>>670989314
citation required
>>670979025
Notice the liberal states have it the worst.
>>670983711
You're a goddamned retard. Economics 101 teaches supply and demand.
Oh shit, you're too retarded to understand that. Basically, no one eats Big Macs in Australia.
>you're a faggot fucktard
>>670989833
>>670976275
>$15 minimum wage increase throughout the US
Well, you clearly have no fucking clue what you're talking about
FYI, that's been the minimum wage in Seattle for a couple years already.
I think it's a good idea over all, but then I don't gleefully suck oligarch cock like most of the conservative children on this site.
>>670989884
It's because there's demand to live in liberal states, hence the higher price of housing. They're nicer than living in the meth fueled hellscapes with the teenage burnout mothers in redstates.
>>670983759
It wasn't the minimum wage hike that cause that.
Here it Ontario its $11.20 or something and provides fine. You faggots don't need high mw.
>>670987415
>CONSERVATIVE LOGIC: all humans are complete scum except for me and my personal hero, Donald J Trump
People are people, you sad little misanthrope. No matter how bitterly you feel towards them, it doesn't change anything, because it's the only standard that exists.
>>670989592
Ah, well then I misunderstood you, my bad..
>>670989986
You are missing the point. Things like minimum wage increases will simply compound the cost of living there.
I get paid in peanuts & salad fingers. It's quite adequete.
>>670989818
There are not enough skilled-labor jobs in this or any economy to employ everyone.
Put 5,000 MBs on a desert island, they'd all interview each other for the job of "regional manager of designing the distress signal" until they starved to death.
We can't all be associate VPs of marketing operations. Someone's gotta dig the latrines and build the shelter and start the fires and grow the food and gather the water.
It's a cliche middle-class mistake to imagine an economy where we can all be the boss. It doesn't work like that. There are only so many seats at the head of the table and even if all 315 million of us were fully qualified to be CEOs, most of us would be flipping burgers and mowing lawns.
>>670978949
Those jobs are for teenagers and early 20s kids still living with their parents. Not to be the sole income source of someone living alone and definitely not for supporting a family.
>>670989818
You might wanna tone it down there, your retardation is showing Trump voter..
>>670989942
This.
>>670979203
if that were true the minimum wage would be equivalent to around 50k per year.
It doesn't matter what side of the 'raise the minimum wage' argument you're on, that is a true fact based on the minimum wage increases vs inflation increases since the minimum wage has existed.
I don't think people relay get how money works it sounds good in theory until you think about it and then notice that a cost of wage increase just leads to people raising the cost of products to be able to pay for the increase in the money they are now paying for in wages meaning nothing changes the number your getting may be bigger but the system adjust to make it the same as before
prohibition is bad
>>670990208
No, you're missing the point. The point is, people want to live in places like California, that drives up the price of housing.
The reason it's cheaper to live in red states, generally, is because people who live there are trying to move to places like California.
>>670989984
>for a couple of years
No it hasn't you lying faggot. It's been phased into effect with $11 being out in place last summer.
You also forgot to mention that restaurant nobs have been decreasing even though the restaurant business is booming.
>>670989942
If those machines could do the job of a cashier (and they totally can), THEY WILL REPLACE THOSE EMPLOYEES. Full stop. It's just a matter of roll-out logistics.
Case in point: grocery stores cut down on their cashier staff and usually set up 4-12 lanes of self-check outs that can be manned by one employee. Did this have anything to do with a massive minimum wage hike? No. The company saw a way to eliminate labor cost and did so.
The cost of the machines themselves is a minor, write-off-able fixed expense. Even if amortization of those machines would cost more than $15/hr over the lifetime of said machines (and it doesn't, it's like pennies an hour), companies would STILL take them because machines don't talk back or call in sick or quit or get pregnant or steal or do anything else employees do.
Aggregate labor demand is inelastic.
>>670976400
a very smart young man.
>>670990411
It's not a 1:1 increase though. If a minimum wage of 10.10 an hour leads to big macs costing about $.03 more, no one gives a shit.
Factors like competition and product value determine how much a product is sold for, not just the cost to make the product, of which, minimum wage labor is only a small part of.
>>670990095
>need a higher minimum wage
>benefit from a higher minimum wage
not the same thing, you salty bitch
>>670990596
*jobs
But i guess for you, that's the same thing.
>>670990411
this
the cost of living is always increasing but an increased min wage will increase it further and faster so business will either be downsized to accomodate for the doubling of wages (ie fire half the min wage employees) and/or commodity prices will rise to make up for the deceit
Fucking retarded liberal faggots. Keep on drinking the Obama Kool-aid. Minimum wage goes up, so do prices, thus negating the wage increase.
But you want to pay $15 an hour to flip burgers? Find with me. I'll quit my high stress technical job, get a job at McDonald's and subsidize it with a part time job at Wendy's, stay baked all the time, and take down shirt pics of the women coming through the drive through to post on /b/.
>>670990411
Yeah except debt is not pegged to inflation.
The reason these schemes work is that they do, in fact, do exactly what you say. Double your pay, double your cost of living, it's essentially a wash... Except now your debt, in real dollars, is effectively HALVED.
Reduced debt = increased spending = economic gains.
That's how this works.
>>670990720
Cool, one of the points of increasing the minimum wage, or universal annual income is to actually allow people to pursue their passions, instead of just doing what they must in order to survive.
If you leave your "high stress" job you don't like, maybe they can hire someone who will actually enjoy the work instead of someone who thinks burger flipping is more fun/easier.(hint, it's not, it sucks)
>>670982600
Raising the minimum wage has no impact on jobs. Thinking that it does is the shit that corporate shills try to argue so that their greedy asses can keep making hundreds of millions of dollars per year.
>$8 per hour is better than $0
and $15 per hour is better than $8
If someone is working 8-10 hours per day in one job, you're damn right they should be paid a livable wage.
>>670990596
It took them ONE YEAR to implement the changes, but they still decided on them 2 years ago.
You seem awfully upset about such an insignificant detail. Maybe you should shut the fuck up and get a little perspective.
>he meant to say JOBS
No shit, skilled waiting staff has been in demand since 2008 you fucking retard.
>>670989942
>because Americans should have to under-bid robots for labor rates
The problem with automation is that it SHOULD be reducing the amount of work required for us to produce a certain amount of goods and services, but in reality, nobody wants to shorten up the work week.
So instead, we maintain jobs by producing more and more goods and services.
So far so good, but what happens when we just don't want any more shit?
>>670976275
>Uh yeah Al, what is inflation for $400?
>>670990260
>Those jobs are for teenagers and early 20s kids still living with their parents. Not to be the sole income source of someone living alone and definitely not for supporting a family.
Then where ARE those people supposed to work?
There aren't nearly enough good jobs to keep everybody employed.
>>670991000
We invent new jobs! It's easy, we do it all the time.
If you put all the labor hours in a bucket and shook them up, we probably employ an effective total of 30% of our workforce doing nothing but pointless bureaucratic paperwork.
Envision the future as being like the Central Bureaucracy on Futurama, and we keep our unemployment rates at acceptable levels by mandating that all forms be stamped 8 times instead of 5.
>>670990882
I worked my way up from cashier to store manager in 6 months at Burger King. I know that it's physically demanding, but the risk of ruining a $4 happy meal is one I'd gladly trade over the risk of ruining someone's $600 phone or $800 laptop if my pay is the same at the end of the week.
People think that they're entitled to more money to do a shit job. You can't seem to get "no onions," and neglect to give me a straw when I come through the drive through? Fuck you. Start sticking cock in the shower at the truck stop. You don't deserve $15/ hr. People like me are going to take your job, and you'll still be sitting on your ass smoking meth and popping out mixed babies.
>>670991398
Yes, because no one ever thinks someone without a job and no hope is gonna turn to crime..
Especially not if he has a substance abuse problem..
>>670991000
>So far so good, but what happens when we just don't want any more shit?
That's where we are NOW. The government employs a team of experts (the Federal Reserve Bank) whose whole job is basically to psychologically skull-fuck us into spending money we aren't ordinarily inclined to spend.
>>670991174
>+80% productivity since '72
Ha. Hahaha. Ha.
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