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Does being an Atheist make you more intelligent?
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>>683247826
No. But, more intelligent people tend to become atheists. Just like being an NBA player does not increase one's height.
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>>683247826
yes because you know how fucking stupid it is to bellieve in fairy tales and bullshit
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No, but being intelligent makes you more likely to be Atheist.
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>>683247826
Does being a monkey make you more intelligent?
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>>683247826
being intelligent makes you atheist
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>>683247826

No. It just makes you autistic and means you have daddy issues.
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>>683247952
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>>683248026

Intelligence is such a broad term that not even these dumbasses know what it means
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>>683247826

Hard to say. Being a VOCAL atheist definitely makes you an asshole, though.
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>>683247826

Being Atheist often leads to arrogance, arrogance eventually increase ignorance and ignorance leads to poor decision.

> You can claim knowledge but if you don't have any wisdom good luck in applying that knowledge.
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>>683248288

Exactly. Like, I know how to use a computer, but I don't have the wisdom to do anything with that knowledge but visit 4chan.
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>>683248162
True. As does being a vocal theist.

As soon as people open their mouths, they let their stupidity show.

Of course, with no dialogue, no one learns anything... so maybe our society just needs to be polite and remain stupid. I don't know.
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>>683248288

Good luck in applying that "English".
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>>683247952
That sentence you wrote proves you're a fucking retard

Just as retarded as those who say people that are Theists are more intelligent
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>>683248026
No but it means you get dual citizenship with Africa, which is pretty cool.
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>>683247952
No, that's not even close to being accurate. In my experience it is people of far lesser intelligence who gravitate toward atheism. They embrace it as proof of their intellectual superiority much like how an awkward child must have Air Jordans to prove what a great basketball player they are.
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>>683247826
>>683247952
Theist>Atheist>Agnostic
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>>683248288
>arrogance

I wouldn't start off down that particular road, anon. It's not one of the ones we have a good record of traversing.
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>>683248543
>No, that's not even close to being accurate. In my experience
>In my experience
How about you look at some data. Atheists tend to have higher IQ than theists.
>in before IQ does not mean anything!!!
>except when used with racial arguments
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>>683248543

Clearly, a point which cannot be refuted. Nay, ought not be refuted. Much edukate. Super smrt.
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>>683248739
Everyone is agnostic, you 12 year old.

No one "knows" the unknowable, that's what faith is for.
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>>683248543
Sounds like your only experience is with stupid people. There is absolutely zero proof that an invisible sky wizard exists. Only a very stupid person believes in magic. The very second that someone reveals that he believes in magic, he is put into the "moron" category. To even say "in your experience" proves that you are stupid. Anecdotal evidence is not real evidence. "Your experience" is not a valid statistical sample, it is a self selected, BIASED selection criteria.
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>>683248938
Point proven.
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>>683247826
No, being a Christian and/or Muslim makes you a dumbass.
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no, it just means you have a low tolerance for nonsense
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>>683249584

This guy. This guy right here.
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>>683248839

Fuck you and your stupid data. Go outside and be foolproof yourself if you want to see examples.

http://www.strangenotions.com/atheists-higher-iqs/
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>the current year of our Lord
>being a gaytheist
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>>683249872
>religious source
>hurr durr.
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>>683247826
yes
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>>683249182
Jesus loves you anyway, Anon. God bless!
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>>683247826
No
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>>683247826
More intelligent than whom?
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>>683250098

>Doesn't bother to read the source
>"nearly all the greatest, best, highest, most beautiful minds that ever existed were theists. Aristotle? Augustine? Confucius? Aquinas? Bonaventure? Copernicus? Bruno? Kepler? Galileo? Pascal? Descartes? Newton? Bach? Mendel? The list is endless."
>Doesn't argue about this

This is why Atheists are stupid. They're not open minded
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>>683249872
Highly religious countries (Barber, 2012):

Are poorer.
They are less urbanized.
Have lower levels of education.
They have less exposure to electronic media that increase intelligence (Barber, 2006).
Experience a heavier load of infectious diseases that impair brain function.
Suffer more from low birth weights.
Have worse child nutrition.
Do a poor job of controlling environmental pollutants such as lead that reduce IQ.

Also check out Zuckerman's study The "Relation Between Intelligence and Religiosity: A Meta-Analysis and Some Proposed Explanations"

And yes, when I go outside I see religious people pushing their stupid ideas, denying evidences. This is not a matter of opinions anyway when we have data.

It is proven that religious people have lower IQ's.

Have a nice day.
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>>683250829
Than being a non atheist u "whom-ing" fuckface
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>>683250600
>instead of logical reasons, make counter arguments by ridicluing his stature and social standings
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>>683251299

We found the neckbeard.
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>>683251187

Same thing could be said about Atheism. Just as there any ignorance in religious people there also ignorance within people who are atheists.
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>>683250918
Dont forget hitler ;)
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>>683250918
name one that isn't from over a hundred years ago
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it doesn't make you smarter, but it does show that you're not a complete moron
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>>683251299
Sorry to hear even the "ignorant believers" didn't like you.
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>>683251620
The pope
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>>683247826
No, being an Atheist doesnt make you more intelligent. Being vegan does.
Think about it
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>>683248141
Shut up dumb faggit
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I think that Scientifically intelligent people will question the existence of god more often, since their field relies on evidence to form results.

The question I struggle with is does believing in God mean believing in an actual higher being or perhaps believing that people have souls.
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>>683252106
well, it didn't make this guy any more intelligent, so I guess the answer is no
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>>683252284
I dont think I'm intelligent in any way, nor would I say I truly believe in god.
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>>683247826
Why does anyone care?
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What a dumb discussion! Hurr durr I'm an atheist I am so smart hurr durr! I don't really believe in God either but I tend to be jealous off religous people! Because they have something to believe in, something to explain their lifes! Atheist are just some faggots who say "oh I don't believe in things I can't proof but I believe in the Big Bang Theory (which they personally can't proof either, but sience says so, so it's totally legit) and I don't have a real explanation for my existance! Oh I am so much smarter than Theist.."
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>>683251187
So what do you think of USA, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Italy, Vatican.
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>>683247826

No, but religion makes people dumber so atheists just appear smarter by comparison.
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>>683248141
Wtf are you talking about. Shut up
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>>683247826
If you have been indoctrinated well enough you can still be intelligent while being a theist.
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>>683253063

>Saudi Arabia, Qatar
Oil rich countries. Having a lot of money mitigates some societal problems, but are you really going to argue Saudi Arabia and Qatar would not be better if they were secular? If so please dial 1-800 Come on Now

>Italy, Vatican
Corrupt as fuck. Again, relatively rich but not because of resources but because of leeching money from gullible catholics the world over. Hardly a paragon of ideal society.

>USA
A rich secular country built on secular values taken over during the Red Scare by Creationists (literally the most retarded tier of Christian).

>TLDR they're outliers, just as every statistical study has outliers.
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>>683247826
No, but being a theist does make you dumber.
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>>683248124
Please explain how not believing in a god means you have "daddy issues", without projecting your own ones onto the answer.
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>>683248162
Because there sure are no vocal asshole theists.
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>>683248739
>theist
>intelligent
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>>683250918
>Theists
>open minded
>literally operate their belief structure by being as close minded as possible
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You have to actively be dumber to be a creationist of any form.
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No. God makes you more intelligent. It's your choice to accept him or reject him. That is his gift to you.
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>>683255847
bait
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>>683249317
>and/or
Wat?
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>>683249584
Das rite
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No, but only stupid people are theists in the modern day past adulthood.
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>>683250089
It should be dibz vedora
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>>683250918
Atheists are one person
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>>683247826
Of course not. One's religious beliefs are mostly unrelated to one's intelligence.
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>>683257195
Untrue.
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>>683251923
Nigger feet nigger feet
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I would love to see what Dawkins would do, if say he was held against his will, tortured, then had a gun to his head, facing death. Would he "all of a sudden" believe in "God". Curious.
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Dawkins bases his views on the 5 senses
He as a scientist should know better than anyone that the scientific method is limited, as are our perceptions. So no, I don't think it makes you more intelligent. I think it strengthens your illusion of being in control.
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>>683257378
Are you asking "Would he lie in order to save his life"?

In which case, what exactly are you hoping to prove?
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>>683257378
noted, theists are violent with fantasies of torture and coercion
thanks for the insight
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>>683257447

I am pondering whether the fear of loosing his life would erase all scientific "reasoning" and "logic", and he would surrender to something he rejects at his final seconds of life.
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>>683257628

How do you know I am a theist? Because my hypothesis appears anti-atheist?
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>>683257756
Once again "Would he resort to anything and everything when tortured and threatened with death"?

You're literally pointing out you become illogical at that point. Not a good argument.
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>>683257916
No, because you're weird and twisted with no logic.
Sounds like a theist.
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>>683257756

Yes, he would. Just like every other Atheist. Because we're all human. Anyone that says otherwise is lying.
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>>683257756
I think that means you're "crazy"
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>>683257982
>>683258012

Scared of facing death, huh?
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>>683258116
Wow, a living creature is afraid of dying.
Fancy that.
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>>683247826
“But at least learn your inability to believe, since reason brings you to this, and yet you cannot believe. Endeavor, then, to convince yourself, not by increase of proofs of God, but by the abatement of your passions. You would like to attain faith and do not know the way; you would like to cure yourself of unbelief and ask the remedy for it. Learn of those who have been bound like you, and who now stake all their possessions. These are people who know the way which you would follow, and who are cured of an ill of which you would be cured. Follow the way by which they began; by acting as if they believed…
Now, what harm will befall you in taking this side? You will be faithful, humble, grateful, generous, a sincere friend, truthful. Certainly you will not have those poisonous pleasures, glory and luxury; but will you not have others? I will tell you that you will thereby gain in this life, and that, at each step you take on this road, you will see so great certainty of gain, so much nothingness in what you risk, that you will at last recognize that you have wagered for something certain and infinite, for which you have given nothing.” The Thoughts of Blaise Pascal, Pascal’s Wager (1657-1658), translated (1910) by W. F. Trotter, Blaise Pascal
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>Still believing in fairy tales

How does it feel to be primitive, anons?
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>>683248543
This has to be bait. Not taking a position in this argument, theist or atheist, but it's demonstrable fact that a population of atheists have above average IQ.
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>>683258116
No. I think you're crazy.
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>>683258116
Yes, because it's the end.
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>>683247826
There's no proven correlation between inteligence and atheism, several countries with rather large groups of atheists do, however, present excellent economic safety/stability, if that's because more money provides better formal education or is more related to comfort/free time is up to debate.
(btw, i'm assuming that by inteligence you mean logical thinking, IQ etc, given your pic of Dawkins, but let's not forget that there are more types of inteligence)
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>>683247952
This
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Pick one.
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>>683257413
I would rather say he bases his views on what can be tested. Since the hypothesis of god's existence doesn't come with any falsifiable predictions it should be taken just as valid as any other unfalsifiable claim.
Of course science has its limitations. But you won't get beyond them by simply guessing. And how should one choose one specific unfalsifiable claim over another?
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>>Does being an Atheist make you more intelligent?

No, but people are sure diluted into thinking it does.

For the truly scientific, the idea of a being or beings that exist above us is completely possible, especially given the extreme limitation of what is known in our universe. That fact alone is enough is provide reasonable doubt to atheism, not to mention that everything in the universe is created from a single underlying omnipresent, omnidirectional energy that can be construed as evidence of the presence of a single God creator.

But if your lack of imagination and ignorance of scientific principles makes you feel better about yourself, then so be it. Ignorance is bliss.
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>>683258590

4. Pure Agnostic.

We are all Agnostic.
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>>683250918
>"nearly all the greatest, best, highest, most beautiful minds that ever existed were theists..."
>selectively cherry picked list, of thinkers from antiquity, when humans still had very limited knowledge about the universe or it's origins.
>leaves out tons of extremely well respected atheist thinkers and inventors; Tesla, Nietzsche, Kant, Schopenhauer, Turing, Bentham. Comte. Dewey. Empedocles. Godwin. Heraclitus. Schrodinger. The list is endless.
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>>683258783

This is the smartest thing I've read on /b/ all year.
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>>683258590
7

obviously
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>>683257413

In its own ironic way both atheism and theism provide the same result, feeling better about not being in control, but one certainly has caused less genocide over the years than the other.
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>>683250918
>Theists are open minded
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>>683252956
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>>683258783
What a load of dilution.
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>>683258840
Yes because the validity of a scientific principle is based on the number of people that believe in it. The entire scientific world believed that heavier objects fell faster than lighter ones until Newton proved otherwise.
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>>683247826
“We need no great elevation of soul to understand that here is no true and solid satisfaction, that all our pleasures are but vanity, our evils infinite, and lastly that death, which threatens us every moment, must infallibly and within a few years place us in the dread alternative of being for ever either annihilated or wretched.

Nothing is more real than this, nothing more terrible. Brave it out as we may, that is yet the end which awaits the fairest life in the world. Let us reflect on this, and then say if it be not certain that there is no good in this life save in the hope of another, that we are happy only in proportion as we approach it, and that as there is no more sorrow for those who have an entire assurance of eternity, so there is no happiness for those who have not a ray of its light.

…I see those dreadful spaces of the universe which close me in, and I find myself fixed in one corner of this vast expanse, without knowing why I am set in this place rather than elsewhere, nor why this moment of time given me for life is assigned to this point rather than another of the whole Eternity which was before me or which shall be after me. I see nothing but infinities on every side, which close me round as an atom, and as a shadow which endures but for an instant and returns no more. I know only that I must shortly die, but what I know the least is this very death which I cannot avoid.” The Thoughts of Blaise Pascal (1657-1658), translated (1888) by C. Kegen Paul, Blaise Pascal
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>>683247826
We have this thread almost every fucking day.
No, but being intelligent makes you more likely to the an atheist. Simply choosing to adhere to a particular ideology doesn't magically raise your IQ.
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>>683258817
>Agonsticism
Literally a beliefe completely based on a fallacy.
You cannot prove the non-existance, I can say that I shoot laser beams out of my eyes, and you cant prove me wrong.
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>>683258590
What is God?
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>>683259219
There are many gods.
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>>683259219
all powerful supernatural deity
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>>683259207
We can test your eyes for evidence of laser shooting ability, then dismiss your claims.
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>>683259207

You forget the part where I don't care to.

That's the part people forget, that nice sprinkling of nihilism tossed in.
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>>683259202
>No. but being intelligent makes you more likely to the an atheist

>likely to the an atheist

>to the an atheist

>to the an


>to be an agnostic

fixed*
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>>683247826
being epistemologically right makes you more intelligent BITCH
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To ask whether there is a "God" or not, one must first ask themselves how they define "God". Yep, I could be wrong, but for me "God" is an organised idea that man has created to give them hope, faith, and control. An omnipotent being? Probably not.
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>>683259521

Jesse Pinkman?
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>>683247826

Renouncing your faith won't make you smarterer.
Dumbass.
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>>683259590

better call saul sux.
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>>683258840
Schopenhauer called himself a Buddhist and Im pretty sure that Kant was Christian. If you fucked up these two Im sure your whole list is inaccurate
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>>683247826
“Consult Zoroaster, and Minos, and Solon,
And the martyr Socrates, and the great Cicero:
They all adored a master, a judge, a father.
This sublime system is necessary to man.
It is the sacred tie that binds society,
The first foundation of holy equity,
The bridle to the wicked, the hope of the just.

If the heavens, stripped of his noble imprint,
Could ever cease to attest to his being,
If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him.
Let the wise man announce him and kings fear him.”
Epistle to the author of the book, The Three Impostors (1768), François-Marie Arouet (Voltaire)
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>>683248543
personal experience =/= viable source of evidence
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>>683248141
your fedora tipping is showing
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There is zero evidence or logic to creationism or theism.
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>>683259219

A dick.
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Unintelligent response:
I believe in nothing, it is all superstitious nonsense. If you don't agree, you're just stupid.
(Concise, close minded, arrogant)

Intelligent response:
What I think is (A) because of what I have experienced, but I am not certain and will continue to learn and challenge my position to grow and refine it.
(open minded, exploratory, correct viewpoint)
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>>683259999
/thread
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>>683259999
quads speaks the truth, sorry religionfags
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>>683247952
in reality this tends to be true, but once you're on the internet the moronic atheists tend to make more noise (reddit) so it distorts people's view of the subject.
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>>683247826
No, intelligence as what I understand it to be is the ability to retain and utilize knowledge. Greater intelligence the ability to build on what has already been learned, to form new ideas of practical use on older concepts. Intelligent people don't sit around on forms arguing whether there particular brand of faggotry makes them look smart or not. Suck my cawk ere'one
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>>683259999
True.
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>>683247826

i saw the future once. it was an annoying dream. i thought about the elements of the dream a lot. then i moved over 1000 miles to experience those exact elements many months later. there is no way those elements came together accidentally. it required at least 4 people to be in position months later, not to mention myself quitting my job and moving. that means we live in a recording. we don't know that usually. something showed it to me. it also showed me that we have no free will. we live in a recording. that recording is owned by whatever showed it to me ahead of time. that would be "god" or at least us, outside of the recording. atheism is blindness.
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>>683258783
>especially given the extreme limitation of what is known in our universe
So the more we know about the universe, the less probable the existence of a god becomes? You basically just admitted that you simply defined the reason behind everything we do not understand right now as god. You did nothing but giving it a name. Nothing of value follows out of that.
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>>683260430

and to add to this, you might as well watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBS4Gi1y_nc
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>>683259999
The hard truth lol
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>>683260430

That's cool man, really. After reading this I had the thought of what a psychiatrist might think after hearing this. Nope, not "defending" psychiatry either.
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>>683247826

gr8 b8 m8/10
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Nope. Being religious does however make you less intelligent.
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Wow this is some hardcore shilling.

I wrote 2 of the comments ITT, but I did it some 6 months ago... The whole beginning is a 100% copy/paste of that thread.
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>>683247826
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFw3hsEfAq4
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>>683247952
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>>683259999
>Implying that the transcendental is something that leaves proof for the senses or can be hammered out through logic. What makes your heart beat? How will your logic help you find that out?
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>>683247826
It is true that religion's defining attribute is faith and faith is a logical fallacy (begging the question), but so to is atheism.

Why all the passion devoted to a non-belief? Why are atheists so desperately seeking affirmation that are right? Does atheism now demand belief, and so meet the criteria of a religion. A true non-religious person would look upon this debate as a tedious waste of time and see both those who are religious and those who oppose religion as fools wasting precious time that could be better spent living life.
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>>683247826
I've always believed that religion should not be taught to anyone until they are 18. If you buy into that horse shit when you're an adult, than yes...you're probably an idiot but at least you made up your mind for yourself.
So many people who are ridiculously hardcore about their religious beliefs have had them pounded into their heads since they were little kids. They are taught the bible the same way they are taught math. You tell them you think the bible is a made up story and they hear you saying 4+4=9.
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>>683259115
lol
>doesn't see this argument applies to Christian thinkers as well

thanks for arguing against yourself for me, smart guy.
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>>683248531
so you can go to hunt antelopes like your ancestors
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>>683259766
MOST Buddhist don't believe in a literal deity, Kant put up a front as a Christian in his day to day life, but his own diary makes it very clear he was atheist. But nice logic anyway "I personally think these two are wrong, therefore all of them are, checkmate atheists!" This is why people think theists are stupid.
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>>683259849

I could be wrong, but I think many of these philosophers were using more of their mind than much of mankind does now. They were not a over-worked, under-slept, distracted cog in the post-industrial age. The mind-expanding opium helped as well.
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>>683248288
as if theists aren't arrogant
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>>683259219
Baby don't hurt me
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>>683247826
Only a fool doesn't believe in God, anon.
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No, but it does increase one's penis size by about an inch and a half.
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>>683261317
>mind expanding opium
Afllicting yourself with such a drug to corrupt the mind God gave you.
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i dont think you can lump humans into two categories and make a generalisation about their intelligence or open mindedness or whatever. some theists are smart, some are dumb, and the same goes for atheists. god is an incredibly personal concept as it purely depends on your belief or "faith". we look at richard dawkins as the atheism posterboy and i agree he is an incredibly smart man. however his crusade against religion is completely stupid as he is trying to argue against an idea (god) that no amount of science will ever be able to answer the question of whether god exists or not. so believe whatever you want to believe dont let anyone tell you otherwise. just make sure that your beliefs entail treating everyone else with respect.
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I'm an atheist and I used to hate hearing other atheists say that their fellow atheists needed to chill out but as I've gotten older I'm totally just annoyed by most atheists. Somebody asked me once what I said when people say "God Bless You" and I just looked at them like they were retarded and said "Thank you."
I don't care about anyone's personal business and their religion is none of my business.
But anyone else's religion is LITERALLY none of my business. I don't want it in my laws or in my schools but other than that I don't fucking care what you do. Refuse gays at your shitty store, ban trannies from your bathroom, whatever. Fuck you and fuck everyone else too.
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>>683261655

Or.....aids in the thought processes that create a "God" in ones mind.
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>>683248288
It is entirely possible for an atheist to have wisdom, you are attempting a false dichotomy.
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>>683261055

You think being passionate about stopping retards killing each other because of sky fairies is about faith?

Weird.

It's more like a white mans burden kind of situation.

Religion is clearly stupid, and you require education.

You're maybe not smart enough to figure it out all on your own... sorry I'll rephrase that; You are smart enough and you know it's all horseshit but you're too invested in the lie or maybe have so much of your life built up around it that you can't just stop and go... oh yeah - it's all BS... WTF was I thinking?

I mean, nice post an all, trying to take the higher ground, but you can't give equivalence to non-belief and belief. To try and seek affirmation that it's the same by crudely and glibly double-thinking your way through a debate and then wasting your precious time typing out such a response bemoaning others for doing so is fucking weird.

Take your own advice.
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>>683261427
Don't hurt me no more
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>>683259999
Why make yourself a fool? Do you ever wonder why man has desires beyond what he needs? Why satisfaction in the physical is not enough for him. There cannot just be chemistry that makes a human. There is something else that is fundamental to man. A soul.
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>>683261244
No, but they still believe in a certain way and law of life which differs from the one of an atheist. And my logic went like that because you showed clear sloppiness - which Im sure you're still doing.
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>>683260430
I very much doubt your dream was precise at all. It just seems like it was to you now.
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>>683261825
See

>>683262012
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>>683247826
As atheism promotes knowledge it can definitely have a positive effect on your intelligence.
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>>683259219
God is the creator of this existence. He is alpha and omega, beginning and the end, behold he lives forever more!
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>>683247826
By definition it means you're less retarded
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>>683262012
You're an idiot.
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>>683261007
How convenient.
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>>683262683
>implying that everything has to be convenient or put in little boxes for you to analyze it. If you havent noticed, life is quite complex and the human attention is limited
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>>683262652
How so anon?
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>>683261460
bait
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>>683262860
>LIFE IS COMPLEX AND STUFF THAT'S WHY THERE'S ZERO EVIDENCE FOR MY BASELESS BELIEF
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Evidence shows that there is a weak correlation between intelligence and atheism, and a strong correlation between pursuing careers in physics-related fields and atheism.

It's normal for us to forego critical thinking in many circumstances, the most obvious being religion. Even intelligent people do it.
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>>683263078
Just like there is zero evidence for your disbelief. Just because you think it makes you more brave it doesnt necessarily make you more right.
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>>683263310
There is zero evidence, good thing you don't need to prove a negative to be justified in holding the position that a negative is true.

See Hitchens' razor.
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>>683263414
To me, atheism is equally positive as theism is.
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>>683261715
I was an atheist when I was younger, and as I've gotten older I've moved away from trying to box myself into any one thing.

9/10 Atheists are fucking insufferable. There's something in them that compels them to speak at long lengths of time about inane things, only stopping to smell their own farts.
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>>683263645
Is disbelief in the flying spaghetti monster just as positive in belief in it?
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>>683263310
>>Just like there is zero evidence for your disbelief
This is why you're an idiot.
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>>683263645
>to me
But you are an idiot, so why should that matter?
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>>683263695
Let me get this straight. You used to not believe in a deity, but now you do because "some other people who don't believe in a deity are jerks"?
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>>683263645
That's because you're so close minded that you assume it means believing YOUR god isn't real. But it's the lack of belive in ALL gods.
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>>683263919
Yes. But not quite as interesting as to finding out what's behind everything there is.
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>>683264099
No. My religious stance is theological noncognitivism, but I live my life based around Buddhist and Taoist principles.

You come into a conversation wanting to win an argument so you put words in peoples' mouth, and it's not very flattering.
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>>683264291
I never assumed that, sir.
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>>683264291
Atheism is not the "lack of belief" in all deities. It is the active belief that no deity exists. I'm so tired of atheists blatantly lying about what they actually believe in a pathetic attempt to intellectually justify being no different from theists.
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>>683247826
Does joining a basketball team make you taller?
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>>683264826
Atheism is simply the absence of belief in gods; anti-theism is a conscious and deliberate opposition to theism. Many atheists are also anti-theists, but not all. When defined broadly as simply the absence of belief in gods, atheism covers territory that isn't quite compatible with anti-theism.
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>>683263994
Ok, Mr. IBelieveInNo-God and I'm his prophet
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>>683264463
...Are you trolling?

How do you function in day to day life if you think every assertion that has no evidence has a 50/50 chance of being true? Jesus Christ.
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>>683265177
Quite well, thank you for asking.
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>>683265011
Your argument is "you have to have evidence for not believing in my baseless claim".
That is stupid.
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>>683265177
Sounds nice, actually. If only I could achieve such equilibrium.
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>>683264888
That's like saying theism is broadly defined as the belief in all gods. Atheists purposefully misrepresent their beliefs in order to avoid cognitive dissonance. It is intellectually dishonest bullshit.
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>>683264826
The textbook definitions of atheism differ from source to source so how does it make sense to call me a liar for not using the same definition as you do? My definition simply includes all kinds of nonbelievers regardless of how confident they feel about their nonbelieve.
If you are so sick of the misusage of this definition then simply avoid it and ask for what people believe and not in which category they put themselves into.
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>>683265374
My argument is that its just as baseless to be an atheist as it is to be a theist.
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>>683265374
Not who you're responding to, BUT you fundamentally misunderstand. You don't need evidence against 'x' to not believe in 'x', but you DO need evidence to make that claim 'not x,' and if one truly bases their beliefs on evidence, then evidence is also needed to believe 'not x.'

The only intellectually honest position is, "I don't know if it's 'x' or 'not x'.
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>>683265913
No, it isn't.
There's no evidence for theism, so I don't believe it. Making me an atheist.
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>>683265587
No. That's like saying exactly what I said, atheism is not anti-theism, if you take an empirical stance and say that there IS NO God or god, then you are in anti-theism territory. They're two clearly defined concepts, just as theism is too. I'm not generalizing theists, so please don't generalize atheists or even anti-theists.

An atheist would understand there is room for a God in statistics, but that there isn't any empirical evidence or even a cognitively meaningful definition of the word God to even start from.
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>>683266013
The lack of your belief is still baseless.
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>>683247826
>>683255239

>>683262424
>>683262424
>>683262424
This happened
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>>683266003
Except that's not what atheism is. It's a lack of belief, which is not the same.
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>>683266221
No, it isn't. Where is the base for belief?
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>>683266221
I just gave you my base for it. Zero evidence for theism, so I don't believe in theism.
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>>683266221
Are you fucking stupid? No wait, I get it...you are.
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>>683251966
>citation needed
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>>683266221
This is just tedious reductionist rhetoric. By your logic the fact that water is in a liquid state at 0 C or 32 F is baseless.
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>>683266309
The same place where there is a base for dis-belief
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>>683266487
Ok fuck off troll
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>>683266277
There's no such thing as 'lack of belief'. Once something is brought into awareness, a belief has already been formed. Whether that belief is "this is true," "this is false," or "I don't know if this is true or false," the end result is always SOME belief.
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>>683266588
No.
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>>683266132
Anti-theism is militant atheism.
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>>683249182
See, you're the dumbass atheist he's talking about. You base your atheist belief on the strawman argument about the sky wizard.
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>>683266615
Holy fuck.
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>>683266720
As opposed to what?
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>>683266588
>YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE IN THE EASTER BUNNY, THERE'S NO BASE YOUR LACK OF BELIEF IN THE EASTER BUNNY
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>>683266700
Thankfully these two subjects aren't mutually exclusive, which is what I said in the beginning.
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>this thread
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>>683266888
Option A: Believe Easter bunny is real.
Option B: Believe Easter bunny is not real.
Option C: Believe that one does not know / cannot know whether the Easter bunny is real or not real given the available evidence and one's current level of knowledge.

Don't be a moron.
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>>683267142
Option D: The Easter Bunny is fictional you stupid prick, it doesn't require analysis
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>>683267279
MOVING THE FUCKING GOALPOSTS

CAUGHT, YOU FAGGOT
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>>683267338
I don't believe in your goalposts.
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>>683266918
Except they should be if your definitions are true. You cannot "lack belief" and actively oppose belief because lacking belief for or against the existence of deities is a neutral standpoint.
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>>683247826
> Does being an Atheist make you more intelligent?
No, other way around.
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>>683267279
That's option B, sperglord.
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>>683267562
No, it isn't, because that implies there is a choice of whether to believe or not in a fictional character. There isn't, because it factually isn't real.
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>>683267647
That's one of the most psychologically illiterate things I've ever read. And I've read Freud.
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pretty sure it's the other way around, being intelligent makes you an atheist. because who the fuck with a brain would bend themselves over to be fucked in the ass by allah or christian allah
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>>683267776
You looked at the words. You didn't actually read it.
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>>683267776
Ok anon.

Is Superman real?
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ITT: Religious people trying to defend themselves in an ever increasingly secular world
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Letting everybody know that you don't believe in a bearded man in the sky makes you autistic

Some autists have asbergers and they are intelligent af
Most autists are just straight up retarded
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>>683267905
No, I read them. I wish I didn't, but I definitely did.

>>683267938
I believe that he is not real. Point?
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>>683247826
only as much as being a theist would
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>>683268319
No anon, you don't "believe he is not real", you know he is not, because he's a fictional comic book character created by two artists.

There is no question of belief, it's a fact.
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>>683268303
Please take a break from 4chan, child.
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>>683268303
>Thinking that the only definition of God is a bearded man in the sky
>Calls someone else retarded
Yep.. That sums up atheists alright.
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>>683268437
>There is no question of belief, it's a fact.
I guess you don't know what it means to believe something. You should Google it.
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>>683268546
I think you don't at all. You seem to think people have to choose to believe in known fictional things or not.
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>>683268684
>known
There's your problem right there. Nothing can be known. If you think for a second that you're capable of grasping objective truth, you are more deluded than someone who believes Superman is real.

As I said before, there are three options.
>A: Believe in x.
>B: Believe in not x
>C: Believe that one does not have enough knowledge or evidence to believe x or not x.
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>>683269211
>Nothing can be known
Oh for fuck's sake
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>>683269211
No one believes Superman is real you dense motherfucker.
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>>683247826
No, it just makes you less gullible.
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>>683268545
It is a much smarter defence against atheism to leave your god undefined. That means there's nothing to prove wrong, but weirdly means people like yourself have to subtly admit you lack belief in god as well because you've not the foggiest what you're talking about.
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>>683269299
Feel free to prove that something can be known without appealing to a priori assumptions.

>>683269342
There are many children who believe that Superman is real.
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>>683269657
>Feel free to prove that something can be known without appealing to a priori assumptions.
Ok:

You are a complete moron.
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>>683269657
No there aren't.
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>>683269742
The irony of that statement is beautiful.

>>683269769
>No there aren't.
Is that one of your "facts"?
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>>683270042
"no u"

Incredible
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These idiots who confuse themselves into nonsensical indecision with roundabout faux-philosophy are worse than any theist or atheist.
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>>683270131
Stay ignorant.
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>>683270324
Says the guy whose argument for god is "children believe in things"
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