For those who don't understand why we use an Electoral College. It's designed so city dwellers in a few large cities don't decide for the whole country.
Here's a little map showing the election by counties.....you might get the idea.
And here's a little game....see if you spot the densely populated cities.
uh huh
>>711265010
bump
>>711265010
No, the Electoral College was created because the founders didn't trust the people not to vote in someone incapable of being president. The idea being that the members of the college could vote with their conscience if they felt that the people had made a gross error, and to avoid any one state's corruption from corrupting the union as a whole.
When the Electoral College was created in the 19th Century, there were no large cities in the same way that there are today. If anything, the Electoral college is grossly unfair to populous states. A vote in California is worth four times less than one in Wyoming.
>>711265010
As usual, it's a little more complex than that. The map merely shows who won. Sure, rural areas lean republican, and urban areas lean democrat. But they are not uniform. There are a lot of city based republicans, and rural democrats.
Don't be too impressed with Trump. Hillary was a hated, corrupt career politician.
Also, don't expect Donald to be too significant. He'll get in that meeting that all presidents do that tells him what the global status quo is (or get killed).
The most experienced military in the world isn't going to some guy that is a Putin apologist.
>>711266046
It was also designed to give smaller states more of a say.
>>711266567
Career politicians are the worst. Just like career doctors and career pilots. Jackasses. Dedicating their lives to learn how to do the thing they want to do. Sickening. I think I'll get this demented clown to do my surgery.
>>711266046
Wrong again. The founding fathers were scared of a pure denocracy which is why we are a republic. In a democracy, your 3 friends could vote on your house being theirs and they would win because democracy.
>>711266880
Come on, that's totally unrealistic. No one on 4chan has three friends.
>>711267362
or own a house
This is 4chan, take you logic and rational arguments elsewhere
>>711266046
Seems about as out dated as the right for all people to bare arms.
>>711268135
You see the lunatics rioting and carrying on like children and you think people shouldn't be able to protect themselves from these morons.
Top Kek.
>>711267362
>>711267488
Own a house and have FOUR friends! What now?
You bitches just got trumped!
Radical slam dunk.
Yep, this election wasn't decided by low democratic turnout in cities in swing states. Nope. It was decided by the people in rural states that everyone ignored for the entire election.
>>711267488
I have a house and a horse and a dog, I'm set
>>711265010
That's not the reason. You should read and learn something and stop spreading lies. All this map show is educated in blue and uneducated in red.
>>711266046
kinda like the Senate huh
The Electoral college is so fucking stupid.
A persons say is a person say and should count as that no matter where they're from. It's ridiculous to discount and diminish the voices of so many people just because a lot of them live in the same place.
I have a tremendous house and 5 friends.
Believe me it's a tremendous house, and the friends, they're really great friends, everyone's talking about how great they are. Believe me.
>>711268550
Being this fucking autistic. KYS faggot.
>>711268630
you get just about the same say in the House
>>711268630
But aren't liberals all about dat diversity? Or is it only diversity of race and gender and not ideas and backgrounds that you're about?
>>711268749
KY is the worst jelly. Everybody knows it. KY is a disaster people. Horrible taste. I'll make sure everyone has grape jelly, so much grape jelly.
>>711266046
No that is wrong too. Really it is about not having larger states decide for everybody. Also no one state an inflate the total and effect the whole election. It is a mix if state and populas vote and it works well. I say thing believing we have an idiot president elect but still trust the system. Fathese actors would have to vote against their party, why would they do that. Also it has never changed anything.
>>711265010
Thank you.
And I'd like to point out that most of Washington is a RED state.
I don't care what the west side says or thinks; they are but a small portion of the area. And they choose to live the way they do.
The rest of the state doesn't think so highly of them at all.
>>711265010
but the city dwellers are the only ones that are educated... they're the only ones that are not selfish, racist, pricks. you know, the average iq of half the usa is below that of koko the gorilla.
>>711265010
niggers should start a "Back To The Blue"
movement.
>>711268449
Except democratic turn out was very low and trump got less votes then Romney.
>>711265010
but for fucks sake most of usa is a desert , no one lives there , just cows corn and tornados
>>711265010
Well, don't take my word on it, but I was taught that the electoral college gave states with smaller population more power when voting for the president. It was also created because the candidate is elected on the major consensus of the states rather than the people. So trump winning meant that more states wanted trump in general, while more people wanted Hillary.
>>711268749
Sorry you are too stupid to understand. I cannot help you with being a retard.
>>711269075
I'm very close friends with Koko the gorilla. Terrific animal and you know I love the animals. So much animals.
>>711268550
He is only partially right. The reason is because of a compromise among small states, large states, densely populated areas and sparsly populated areas, etc.
And no, the map shows densely populated counties (i e large cities) and counties that are overwhelmingly African-American, Hispanic, or other minority.
Read a fucking book. All of you. Fuck.
>>711265010
Yeah, republicans are dense.
>>711268659
President-elect Trump.. Is that you???
>>711268281
Same retarded argument
>der if we all have guns then there will be less gun violence
>inb4 Australian. Fuck all gun deaths a year. Never even 1 school shooting
>>711265010
>electoral college was meant to curb city power
Uh, no not really... although the Urban vs Rural divide is well known, we have the Electoral College System because our country was founded as a collection of what were intended to be mini-countries in a union. Therefore, the election of the leader of all those united states was strongly based in states rights.
That's right, the presidential race is not a popular vote.
Essentially the decision of who is president comes down to the state's votes, not the people. The people of a state vote for who their state should support for President. The majority vote wins and the state follows this to give its electoral votes to that candidate, the amount of which is based on population.
So if you win New York, you get the electoral votes for New York and no more. Winning by 50.1% and winning by 100% makes no difference, by design. And that design was to prevent large powerful states from invalidating the voice of the others.
The popular vote is just counted for shiggles. Everyone knew this going in. That's why you watched the election map, and why there are battle grounds states. Because it is based on the states.
>>711269252
I've read every book, believe me. I've read all the books. America loves books, they love the books. Tremendous books.
>>711269075
they are shown to be racist pricks once their emails get hacked, and Pew shows taht republicans give far more to charity than dems do. Its about having the option to be chartiable and being forced to.
>>711269425
You are killing me,dude!!! Killing me!
>>711269136
never took freshman bio huh
>>711265010
how is that better to let rednecks choose president just because that wasteland where they live is big ?
>>711268982
By that logic just about every state is a red state, because of the retarded rednecks that live in the boonies. There's a reason the cities attract the highly intellectual and are cultural centers, while the rest of you retards blow your load when the local Wal-Mart introduces a new flavor of hot pocket
>inb4 cities have black people/ghettos etc
No wonder the downtrodden flock to cities for more opportunity instead of smoking meth in the middle of bumfuck eastern washington
>>711268630
I mean really
In what universe does it make sense to take the desires and wishes of the majority of people and then take the desires and wishes of a much smaller group of people and make the two equivalent?!
It's just absolute fuckery
>>711269296
Are you a Hispanic? I love the Hispanics. Such a hard working people. So hard working. Tremendous roofs and so may leaves. They love to rake the leaves. Believe me, they rake the leaves.
>>711269330
Omg someone who isn't a retard, I thought you were all dead
>>711269306
How'd that work for Chicago?
>>711269330
And suddenly President Trump claiming the election system is rigged starts to make sense
>>711268982
I wonder which bit generates all the money while you're fucking your sister?
>>711269655
Trust me I know a lot of retards. Tremendous retards. The retards love me. They love me.
>>711269687
What proportion of gun deaths did that cabbie contribute to preventing?
>>711269773
I've never fucked my sister. That's just words. It's just locker room talk. I have a wonderful Sister, she really is wonderful.
>>711269895
His own, for starters...
>>711265010
Can you explain why 1 person = 1 vote is worst than that?
I mean the whole voting system is not democracy but why do american think this is superior to anything when it's in fact inferior to any other first world voting system.
>>711268913
Not ideas and backgrounds that cause hurt to so many people that already hurt enough in this world.
>>711269306
Well no shit less guns mean less gun related homicides. Too bad homicides in general went up in England and Australia after banning firearms.
>>711269687
Fun fact: Chicago gun laws are no more restrictive than other cities of its size
>>711269425
Lost!
>>711268913
Under fucking rated post
>>711265418
Yep. That's right. He's right you know. So uh huh for sure.
>>711268135
I live in Florida. My arms are bare most of the year.
>>711270083
Growing food = hurting people? Interesting. Thought you fags were all vegans and need those farmers. If you're going to be stupid enough to go against self-preservation, by all means.
>>711270106
There's going to be so many homicides people. Tremendous homicides. There will be so many homicides you all will be tired of all the homicides. Believe me. Everyone is talking about the homicides. Believe me.
>>711267362
I have a house and it has 435 friends in it
>>711266046
The fuck are you talking about autist? Urban cities have always existed you absolute mongoloid, New York would've run the country had this been a pure democracy.
You're fucking autistic, learn before posting.
>>711265010
>alaska
>one giant county
who the fuck designed this bullshit?
>>711265010
All I see is a map of dumbfuckistan with all the areas that ppl were too stupid/lazy to vote marked in red.
It'd be funny if he wasn't going to set the economy, environment and foreign policy back 10 years.
>>711269151
Trump beat Hilary for individual votes...
Less people wanted Hilary
>>711270331
I have a tremendous amount of art. The artists love me.
>>711265010
Sure...
Or maybe it was easier to send some representative to vote together in the capital as to send the votes across the country not knowing if they're getting manipulated or lost on the way.
You know there where no planes and the railroad wasn't that developed in the old days...
>>711266880
A pure republic like in the Greek and Latin city states was exactly like that, citizens all getting together and voting with rocks used as tallies.
>>711265010
Heres a map of states that are democratic AND where Bernie won the primaries.
I would mathematically conclude that this would put these states Bernie support at over 75%
>>711270364
>It'd be funny if he wasn't going to set the economy, environment and foreign policy back 10 years.
You mean back when things actually worked?
look at that chunk of Texas that wants to join Mexico
what a bunch of pussies
>>711270364
Gtfo
>>711270247
Kek
>>711269624
I got better idea we vote by square foot, red wins by far, it is simple question of metrics,if we simplify it to population New York and California would rule the country
We also count illegal immigrants in the totals of electoral college giving higher representation to urban areas
>>711270209
Nice. I'm from Perth. I have big hairy bear arms
>>711270425
troll harder lol. or count again.
>>711270364
Yeah the markets are crashing upon the news Trump won...
>>711270538
We're going to build a wall around Greece and we're going to ban Gyros. It's going to create lost of jobs. So many jobs. The Greeks will pay for it. They will people. The Greeks will pay for it, believe me.
>>711270538
Athens, the founder of democracy, WAS NOT A REPUBLIC YOU DUMBASS.
Rome on the other hand was, it's government system consisted of elected representatives (Senate), two monarchs (Consuls, elected by Senate), and a citizen representation (public council of plebians).
None of which is a direct democracy you absolute dumbass.
>>711268913
You're talking shit. If anything counting every vote the same shows diversity.
>>711266876
Drastically underrated post.
>>711270593
oops meant 25% not 75
>>711270247
Yeah if there is one thing I think of when considering the UK and Australia, it's homicides
>>711270233
Promoting islamaphobia = hurting people
Promoting sexism = hurting people
Promoting = Homophobia/transphobia = hurting people
Pormoting racism = hurting people
>>711269633
they are lazy I know i've hired and fired several, I use asians now
>>711266567
>He'll get in that meeting that all presidents do that tells him what the global status quo is
True, it's not only one meeting, he gets briefed every day now with the same information that the current president gets.
Noticed what he said after speaking to Obama? ;)
>>711265010
You guys live in monster truck country now, deal with it
Remember this is an election by the states, not by the people. If the presidency was decided by popular vote alone then 4-5 big states would decide it every time while every other states voice would be marginalized. California, Texas, Florida, and New York alone are close to half the nations vote total. Without the electoral college politicians would just pander to the largest cities and ignore the rest of the country.
>>711270853
We're also going to ban kangaroos, tea and crumpets. The British are a bunch of rapist murderous thieves, and the Australians. I'm not going to say it. You people know about the Australians. Believe me. Tremendous Australians.
>>711266876
Very simple false equivalency. How does more time spent in office make a better politician?
The greatest reformer in Athenian history was Solon, who literally was never involved in politics before his reforms.
For a more contemporary example, look at Clinton. 30 years in office and scandal after scandal, incompetency after incompetency...
Or Sanders, what was it; 40 years in office and not one difference made except for a failed bid at the presidency?
Dumb false equivalency.
>>711270857
When did any of this happen, do you need a trigger warning before all adult discussions
I'm surprised by how blue CA is. Its the largest chunk of Blue in the country. I thought the areas outside of LA and SF were more conservative.
>>711270857
Crying racism, sexism, homophobe, transphobe, islamaphobe = hurting people
Incorrectly lumping people together and demonizing them, sounds pretty bigoted to me.
WAAAHHH! MOMMY! IT'S A BIGOT! I NEED MY SAFE SPACE!
>>711271139
Believe me I have equivalency. I practically invented equivalency. Believe me. America will have so much equivalency, you'll see. So much were gonna have so much.
>>711271246
I think it was 7 million blue votes and 2 million red votes from Cali.
That's a lot of people on both sides, just more in the cities.
>>711268913
Well, tolerating the intolerant was never a good thing. No matter if it's your neighbour or some Islamist shitheads.
>>711270857
There is nothing wrong with islamophobia. Islam is a disgusting religion that promotes violence against all non muslims, views women as a sub class of humans, and is anti-science. Fuck islam. How can liberals be so comfortable bashing christianity but recoil in horror when anybody bashes islam? I'm atheist BTW.
How was trump homophobic? The only slightly anti-gay thing I know of him saying was that he disagreed with the supreme court legalizing gay marriage. And it wasn't that he thinks gays shouldn't get married, he just thinks its a states rights issue. I actually agree with that to some degree, although I do think gays should be allowed to marry.
How is Trump racist? Mexican isn't a race. Islam isn't a race.
Sexism.Yeah he probably is a little sexist, but I don't give a fuck. I'm cool with the president being an asshole. Better an asshole than a criminal.
>>711271073
Just keep your mitts off of our Vegemite.
>>711271429
Lol hear about Saudi Arabia?
Recently a Saudi scientist "discovered" that women are at the same species level as livestock.
>>711271371
>But you're being intolerant of their different views. Bigot. Racist. Islamophobe.
>>711268956
Wrong....Read Hamilton..Quote something along these lines....Thant no man who is unfit for president shall be elected...Absolutely the reason they were scared of a true democracy....Don't let today's populace color your opinion of original intent....
>>711271429
We're going to create so many new assholes. So many. The asshole industry is going to win bigly.
>>711265010
"For those of you who don't know.."
The fact that the majority of the population does not decide what goes on is not democracy. Needing 3 people in California to equal 1 vote in a retard middle state is NOT democracy. The middle states keep us BEHIND. The electoral college keeps us BEHIND
>>711270026
>in fact inferior to any other first world voting system.
Truth has been spoken.
>>711265010
Also, Hillary gave a concession speech so shove your change.org petition up you cock holster
>>711268135
>>711270026
You are comparing the USA to nations that have populations the size of some single states of the USA.
>>711271576
Technically they are kind of right
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/14/chimp_genome_y_chromosome_gumble/
>>711271260
I wish I was incorrect, but it's all pretty objective
If you support a party that supports the exclusion of Muslims, you are objectively an islamaphobe
If you support a party that wanst to legally restrict gay/trans rights, you are objectively a homophobe/transphobe
If you support a party that wants to build a fucking wall across a whole boarder, you are objectively racist
If you support a party who's presidential nominee talked about grabbing women by the pussy, you are objectively sexist.
The republican way of life only stands to benefit a very narrow group of people and deliberately seeks to make life of anyone who falls outside of this very narrow way of being hell
>>711271818
>>711271429
So basically just like Christianity?
>>711272013
Pretty much yeah. Except Christians prefer little boys.
>>711270596
>You mean back when things actually worked?
Spoken like a true Islamist.
>We have to live like 1600 years ago as we had glorious times.
>>711272013
I think you missed the part where I said I was athiest. I'm anti-christian as well. I just don't understand how liberals can mock christianity all day long and give each other high fives, but when somebody bashes islam they all get triggered and scream racist.
When was the last time christian nations executed homosexuals? It is happening today in many islamic nations.
Islam goes against everything a SJW stands for, yet somehow the SJWs defend islam. It's like if they supported the KKK for some reason. It makes no sense.
>>711271995
I support a party that excludes terrorists.
I support a party that implements common sense laws regarding LGBTQ, and doesn't treat them as a special class.
I support a party that wants to have a strong immigration policy.
I support a man who has lived in the public eye for his entire life and hasn't been accused of sexism until running for president.
With all that said, suck my fucking cock you bleeding heart liberal.
>>711271995
Nah mate. You do not have to support every single policy to identify with a particular party. I'm a supporter of the Nick xenophon Team but I do not agree with them potentially supporting a bill that will ban "illegal immigrants" for life from Australia, even under tourist visas.
>>711265010
I understand in makes rural votes more valuable than urban votes because they happen to live closer together. and that's fucking stupid and unequal.
>>711265010
ON /B re: electoral college---
those who don't know what The Federalist Papers are; those don't know who James Madison was; those who cannot grasp the concept of tyranny of the majority--- and are ever-so-proud of it.
>>711272013
Yeah I forgot the part where Jesus raped a 9 year old girl.
I forgot the part where Jesus explicitly called for war against heathens.
I forgot the part where Jesus said looting, raping, and enslavement is okay so long as it's against heathens.
Fuck off, not all religions are equal.
>>711272339
Muslims haven't systematically made life hell in America for the LGBTQ for literal decades the way Christians have and continue to do
>>711266046
nope
madison
federalist #51
TYRANNY OF THE MAJORITY
>>711272339
Your shitting me right? It was Illegal to be homosexual in Britain until the 70s. Murica still executes people for crimes that can not be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Ask Amnesty International what they think about how guilty every single person on death row is.
>>711271583
I think you didn't get my point.
>>711272649
neither has the KKK. Doesn't mean either of them are an ally to the LBGTQattackhelicopter community.
Islam would make it 100X worse if they had the political power to do so.
>>711272649
You're right, Muslims just throw them off roofs in their countries, whereas here we deny them cakes for weddings.
Truly horrible behavior.
If you cucks want to be mad at anyone be mad at Hillary and the Democratic party that colluded to marginalize a candidate that could have, and in all likelihood would have won while at the same time propping up a blatant criminal and shitty candidate in general just to tow the party line. Democrats had this election in the bag if they had just let the people choose the candidate instead of trying to push their own. They shot themselves in the foot trying to supersede the will of the people.
>>711270106
Hmm what else went up? Oh major jumps in population that's right.
>>711272626
I take it you have never read the Old Testament? Which says the age of consent in girls is 3? Or that slavery is fine. And that homosexuals are an abomination in the eyes of the sky fairy.
>>711272815
there is a big difference between illegal and punishable by death you dumb fuck.
>>711265010
READ
FEDERALIST #51
you fucking cancerous ignorant echo-chambered safe-spaced motherfucking erstwhile cannon fodder
>>711271923
When we vote the European council every vote counts, and we are 500mio in 25 different countries, different languages, cultural background, etc.
>>711273165
>echo-chamber
I thought if you just banned and blocked everybody who disagrees that means you are correct
>>711273017
Tell that to people that are ostracised in their own communities. Tell that to the 16-24 homosexual male cohort in your cesspool of a country that have the highest suicide rate in the nation because of people like you. You might not be the ones pulling the trigger but Murica still kills people for being gay.
>>711273346
Yeah I think it works the same as yelling WRONG to everything in Presidential debates.
>>711273346
lol see supra
my literary advices
>>711273244
The EU isn't a popular vote system where every citizens vote is counted. Where are you getting your info? It's not a pure democracy.
>>711269976
>scares fbi is monitoring this thread
>>711272993
Ah yes, the Old Testament, which Christians have been following since...oh wait, they haven't followed it since about 2000 years.
>>711273667
yeah that's why there are no Christians theatre are homophobic
>>711273790
that* fucking autocorrect
>>711273432
people like me? My GF is openly bi and dated girls for years before me. Some of my best friends are gay.
I hate islam and christianity. I'm just smart enough to see islam is much worse. I'm not some retard that protects islam because most muslims have brown skin.
>>711272993
do you even have basic christian knowledge ?
do you know one the basic principles of christinannity is that the new testament is the correct one, and the old testament nothing more than a prequel with some suggestions ?
its, like, the basic principle, man.
>>711273790
I never said that, we are talking about the average here.
>>711272446
This. I was told I have hate in my heart just because I voted trump because I didn't want a hemispherical free market with open borders. Then when trump was elected the person that said that about me posted "I'm afraid of Americans" on his FB. Dude is a mid twenties scrawny white guy dating a legal Hispanic chick and the only reason he hates trump is because she hates trump. He literally said that. Definition of a cuck if I ever saw one and the only one I really know.
>>711273667
Good point. So I guess you will understand that not all of Islam follows everything written in the Quran.
>>711266876
INFOWARS.COM
>>711272993
Not him but OT was literally shut down by JC himself.
>>711274026
I'm saying there is a difference between followers of the bible and followers of the quran.
Bible: refuse to bake them a cake
Quran: throw them off a roof
>>711265010
Hillary won the popular vote.
>omg the entire state of Montana is red!
12 people live there
>>711274214
Of the two books, only one mentions killing homosexuals.
Hint: it's the Bible
>>711274240
giggled
>>711273432
Suicide is on the suicidal. Case closed. Don't blame everyone else for them being too much of a pussy to deal or seek help/treatment.
>>711274331
And whose followers are the ones currently killing homosexuals?
>>711273874
Just wondering what qualifies you to declare which one is worse than the other? There has never been a need for a royal commission in Australia to investigate systemic child abuse among the Islamic church. They just got back from the Vatican to interview cardinal George Pell regarding not only accusations of fiddling against him, but the decades of cover ups he carried out to protect the church. Islam is worse you reckon?
>>711272993
All true, bit we had the French revolution and people started to see these things critical and stopped the reign of the catholic church. Religion became a private thing in Europe and the rest of the Christian world, and nobody take this as law anymore.
That's what Muslim needs, a reformation.
But in Saudi Arabia and other Muslim states you get executed for heresie for that kind of thoughts and that's the problem.
>>711274429
So your argument has shifted? You m talking about what is written in the Bible and what is written in the Quran, because that was what your claim was based on.
>>711273896
Yeah mate. I do. Read the whole thing more times than I want to remember at bible bashing school. It's why I feel I can comment.
>>711273896
Except that is just modern feel good Christianity trying to distance itself from the fucked up old testament.
Jesus himself said
"For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
Matthew 5:18
Last time I checked most of the fucked up shit in the old testament was dictated directly fromgod to moses on the mountaintop. Is that not god's law? Jesus said not one letter of it is gone until the Earth is gone.
The Earth is still here.
The feel good nice christians of today are directly contradicting jesus just so they can feel warm and fuzzy inside and ignore all those mean parts of the bible.
I think those types of christians are mostly harmless and overall good hearted people, but it doesn't change the fact they are deluded and going directly against jesus's word.
Fuck christianity.
>>711274567
You jumped in in the middle of the chain, we were talking about the differences between Muslims and Christians.
The fact that you're defending this is hilarious.
>>711274692
The fact that you speak authoritatively about books you know nothing about is even more hilarious
>>711274498
That sort of investigation wouldn't even happen in a Muslim country, it would be excused.
Nobody is absolving Christians everywhere of guilt, just saying those from glass houses...
>>711265010
It was estimated in 2011 that in a two-candidate race, with equal voter turnout in every Congressional district and no faithless electors, a candidate could win the Electoral College while winning only about 22% of the nationwide popular vote. This would have then required the candidate in question to win each one of the following states by just one vote: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming.[109]
The United States is the only country that elects a politically powerful president via an electoral college and the only one in which a candidate can become president without having obtained the highest number of votes in the sole or final round of popular voting.
— George C. Edwards, 2011[104]
Go fuck yourself
>>711274498
Islam literally says its ok to fuck little girls because mohammad, the perfect man, married aisha when she was 6 and fucked her when she was 9.
Child brides are totally common in the muslim world. Pull your head out of your ass.
>>711274814
Right, keep claiming moral superiority while you defend the butchery of gays in the Middle East.
>>711268469
fuck your horse.
>>711274907
Keep swinging at strawmen
>>711273636
My bad, I meant the European Parliament.
>>711274835
Australia is not a Muslim country, and no matter what people like Pauline Hanson try and scare us into believing, it will never ever be. The RC against the church happened here. The newspapers in Rome could not believe that people would dare question such a high up person in the church. Guessing if it was up to the eye ties it would have been swept aside too.
>>711270735
Yikes dude. I don't think anon was referring to that, cause unlike many of the dipshits on this site, he understands Trump isn't president until January... Nice assumption though.
>>711265010
This works even better when you have the county/non-county version side by side.
>Entirety of Nevada is decided by Clark County
>Entirety of Oregon is decided by 4 Counties
>Illanois may as well just be "Cook County: The State"
What's even MORE telling is that if you try and look for the reverse, a Red State decided primarily by a few counties while the rest are Blue, you can't find one.
>>711275175
But it isn't, and it wasn't.
That's the difference between Muslim countries and Christian ones.
>>711265010
> It's designed so city dwellers in a few large cities don't decide for the whole country.
Not really.
It was designed so that smaller states would have a say in the presidential elections.
The electoral college generally happens at a state vs county level. There is a trend towards people moving to metro areas because, you know, jobs and stuff so (eventually) the electoral college might actually represent the majority vote.
>>711275186
>Yikes
>>711275186
>implying big investors wouldn't get out as early as possible if they expected things to get worse
>>711274686
To be honest the 10 commandments aren't a bad thing.
That's just common sense.
>>711275364
Exactly what I'm implying. Very good anon.
>>711265010
It also happens to be parts of the nation with more jobs that require a college education.
>>711268630
>>711269624
Our system was never a democracy. It just has democratic elements. This is intentional to limit the power of the simple majority.
I have a suggestion, how about we stop trying to force urban and rural populations to abide by one size fits all measures? Return power to state and local governments, keep the federal level small. Then California can have its social justice utopian experiment and the South can keep its guns and so on. Blue collar laborers shouldn't have to live or think the way rich hipster kids, bleeding hearts and immigrants want them to.
>>711265010
you mean so the majority of the population doesnt decide for the retarded rednecks who are too poor to live in civilization...
yea because i give a fuck about them.
>>711275264
Unlike Murica with a new VP that calls himself a Christian, a politician and a Republican in that specific order, Australia is a non secular country that has a delegation between the church and the state.
>>711275361
Yowzer
>>711275450
Fuck that. If I want to covet my neighbours wife then that's what I'm going to damn well do.
>>711275450
And most of the things int he commandments that aren't about god have also been put forward by other cultures that predate christianity or are totally independent of it. Just because there are a few good ideas doesn't mean the rest of the religion is absolved. You can have those same values like don't murder, cheat, lie, and steal without christianity.
>>711273636
>It's not a pure democracy.
Right from Wikipedia:
The European Parliament (EP) is the directly elected parliamentary institution of the European Union (EU). Together with the Council of the European Union (the Council) and the European Commission, it exercises the legislative function of the EU. The Parliament is composed of 751 (previously 766) members, who represent the second largest democratic electorate in the world (after the Parliament of India) and the largest trans-national democratic electorate in the world
>>711275763
O...Kay? What relevance does that have to this argument?
You seem to be grasping at straws here.
>>711275938
What if I wanted to worship a false idol?
>>711275750
You got it. City people don't give a fuck about their rural counterparts, that's why they can't be allowed to dominate.
Who the fuck you think grows your food?
>>711270026
We need agriculture.
There is a net benefit to moving to or near the city, demonstrated by the fact that cities have the greatest population density. However that means that if everyone acts rationally, we have no agriculture. Therefore we need to incentivize living in rural places.
Most people vote with self interest, and most people don't live in rural areas. This means that by popular vote, politicians with policies which benefit rural people are less likely to get in. If pro-rural politicians don't get in, then over time there is no incentive to live in rural areas, so we lose our agriculture.
Therefore, it is necessary to give greater weight to rural voters. The electoral college is one way of doing this, though it's not a good way because the state level is way too course-grained. Congressional districts should be used instead of states.
This is one way in which the electoral college is better than the popular vote.
>>711269425
You could win the Booker prize ...
Serious question: Isn't voting by state outdated? I mean I guess it kinda made sense 150 years ago, but shouldn't the decision who gets to be president made by popular vote nowadays? Isn't the senate what the electoral college is for?
Are there any other countries who still vote for their president like this? I know Switzerland has the "Ständemehr" in referendums but that hardly ever gets used.
>>711276061
Not at all. Simply refuting your suggestion that Australia is a Christian country.
>>711265010
ITT
Retards trying to prove that voting by surface area makes more sense than voting by population. People that think empty fields should have a say in the election
>>711265010
lol my fucking state is pure red except for the niggers in Memphis and Nashville
>>711276221
I'm not saying they have a state religion, I'm saying it was founded, built, and largely run by Christians.
Why are you trying to shift this away from Muslim countries and the awful things they do?
>>711276120
>We need agriculture.
>Congressional districts should be used instead of states.
>This is one way in which the electoral college is better than the popular vote.
This post right here explains pretty much everything.
>>711265010
>vermont
>densely populated
nigger what?
>>711276200
A lot of things written 150 years again made sense to the world they existed in at the time.
Too bad America has been so oppressed to change that it has never come up with anything better to adopt in to
>>711276200
Straya is divided up into electorates. Each electorate is represented by a member of the House of Representatives that people vote for. Electorates are normally divided up by population. The ruling party has to have the majority of members in the house. Works a fkn treat.
>>711276019
A pure democracy would be every issue is up to a popular vote of all the citizens, not a parliment.
So no, the EU is not a democracy. There is no true democracy in the world. It doesn't work. It is mob rule. Thats why republics/parliaments/congress/senates exist.
But going by true definitions, those aren't "democracies". Most people don't know what democracy means.
>>711275938
Of course, don't forget that it's all written by men, and over the millennia it somehow merged together.
Also the old testament is basically the Torah and is also part of the Quran.
In the end those people all believe in the same God.
>>711271995
Who let the tumblr retard in? Everyone has their reasons, and a wall doesn't equate to racism because they're excluding illegals, as in actual criminals. Try thinking with your head over your heart.
>>711265010
I said this elsewhere, but you could easily do a cross country trip without touching a clinton county. That's ridiculous, and it's why the electoral college exists.
>/pol/ the post
You people do realize it's over, right?
>>711276200
Maybe?
I like the idea of giving each state its fair say in elections but the electoral college members aren't even required to vote for the candidate that their state's citizens told them to.
>>711276365
I'll give you that. Our constitution states we are a white nation under god. You got me.
That is an excellent question and one I wish more people asked. The answer is I would never try to justify the human rights abuses people are subjected to in many middle eastern countries. I love my country and do not blame people one little bit for wanting to escape the hell of places like Afghanistan and Iran and Iraq to come here by any means necessary, even if it means paying a people smuggler if it means their kids will be safe. However. I refuse to group all countries that follow the Muslim faith together. It would be like me suggesting that you are like all bigoted southern red state slack jawed yokels that think being gay is a disease and that you contribute to suicides of young men. Pretty fucked up right? Malaysia and Indonesia have the biggest Islamic population for any single country. Both are peaceful and Malaysia has even had a female president.
>>711268135
im sure if someone came smashing through your front door right now to rob you, you'd much rather have a gun then wait in your closet for 45 minutes until the police come
>ITT: asspained leftists
The electoral college prevents mob rule from complete democracy.
>>711276237
>man, fuck the breadbasket. Useless rednecks, we don't need corn and shit, why do they even get to vote
>>711276518
>Most people don't know what democracy means
Do you?
Democracy (Greek: δημοκρατία, Dēmokratia literally "rule of the commoners"), in modern usage, is a system of government in which the citizens exercise power directly or elect representatives from among themselves to form a governing body, such as a parliament.[1] Democracy is sometimes referred to as "rule of the majority".
>>711276541
This. Jesus is a prophet in the Quran.
>>711277037
>colors grey to red
>spotted the racists
>>711276237
>A bunch of libtards in San Francisco should determine the policies in rural Wisconsin
This board is 18 and up bud
>>711276262
>except for the niggers in Memphis and Nashville
Nashville is 78.1% white (Memphis is another story).
So let's let a bunch of Hicks have a say instead of the large cities where the majority of our gdp comes from..
>>711277027
There is not one possession in my house that I would risk dying for or want to kill someone over. I would let them take what they want and claim it back on insurance.
>>711276518
>republics/parliaments/congress/senates
You're right, but all of those are democratically legitimate.
>>711275450
The 10 commandments are spelled out a few places in the bible, onle place is Exodus 20.
Want to know what is in Exodus 21?
"Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property."
Exodus 21:20
Yup, not only can you own slaves, but you can beat them, just don't beat them so hard you kill them. If they are only bed ridden for a day or two by your beating that's ok. You own them.
This is god laying down the laws to moses. And remember, in Mathew 5:18 Jesus says ALL of god's laws last forever, nothing will ever change.
Christianity is beautiful. Fuck all religion, including islam.
>>711277198
Pretty sure that was just the map through the eyes of a doggo
democrats like to centralize the poor?
>>711265010
I get the point, and accept the EC, but I am 35 years old and still don't think it's logical. What does land area have to do with population? I mean, If there's 100 people in New York City, and 20 people ach in Kansas/NDakota/SDakota/Nebraska/Oklahoma ... there is still 100 people in each spot. The only difference is the amount of acreage.
The EC draws fairness by landmass, not by actual people. So what's the point?
>>711277346
Maybe when you have a daughter, you'll think differently
>>711277012
>I'll give you that.
Why?
>Our constitution states we are a white nation under god. You got me.
Where does it state this exactly?
>>711265010
>thinking the election should be decided by land mass
ISHYGDDT
>>711269134
Slow your roll there,Hoss. There are still millions of uncounted votes. The totals will change over the next few days.
>>711265010
The total population of Americans in the top 10 cities is 7%.
Electoral college is a fraud.
>>711268550
I wouldnt be too quick to count a gender studies/liberal arts/cuck studies degree as an education.
>>711277431
I'm in no way justifying it, but gotta remember the bible was word of mouth for centuries. I think a few things might have been added in here and there. Maybe a bloke beat his slave almost to death and didn't want to get in the shit.
Also fuck Judaism, Scientology and pastafarianism.
>>711275214
Virginia. But that's the only case
The Electoral college has to go. hillary won.
>>711270331
New York is 2% of the US population.
>>711277012
The thing people forget in regards to this stuff is the difference in culture.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany
>cultural practice of group sexual assault
Obviously this isn't the case for EVERY Muslim EVERYWHERE, but at some point you need to understand the case against the values of the "average" Muslim.
>>711277915
... jesus christ people are dumb.
>>711265010
The only thing out in them Red parts is Cows 'n Coyotes.
>>711276200
No. Majority rule is extremely dangerous. You must allow the minority a chance.
>>711278071
Every civilization in history where a minority took over control of the majority, the minority ended up at the end of a rope. Every. Single. Time.
Minorities should be treated with acceptance, but never allowed to control the majority. History has taught us this.
>>711277747
>The total population of Americans in the top 10 cities is 7%.
Let's assume that the top 10 cities are in 10 separate states. Would those states be affected by the people living in the dominant cities? Absolutely. But they wouldn't affect the rest of the states.
>>711277640
It was removed in 1968 when there was a referendum to allow Aboriginal people to not be considered part of the Flora and Fauna Act anymore and have the same rights as white people. Look up the white Australia Policy. That was quite unofficial but it comes from our racist colonisation.
>>711265010
What's wrong with the electoral process is the way we define borders between counties. What we should be looking at is a way to reduce the effects of gerrymandering, and that's really what leads to unfair elections.
>>711277915
It's actually the 3rd most populated state in the country right behind California and Texas.
>>711269609
>>711269773
The fact is, is that people who normally wouldn't give a shit got pulled out of the woodwork to vote their minds because Hillary is THAT despised.
Eastern Wa is beautiful and full of good people with values and morals not found in your superficial and materialistic region.
Eat shit, then KYS. Otherwise, enjoy dying in a mall from gunshot wounds or after an anti-Trump rally.
>>711265010
im not american so if you could cut me some slack (American politics is confusing AF, super tuesday, superpacs, delegates etc)
So essentially in the general election/popular vote the people voted for the republican party based on the Trump/Pence ticket.
The Electoral college then votes who will become POTUS/VPOTUS.???
I get Trump is the presumptive President/president elect.
(I might be remembering West Wing incorrectly, But Jed Bartlet was Pence, but ended up in the Oval Office)
>>711278181
In Americas case, the "minority" is 60 million voters, with who knows how many non-voters.
Texas fag here, can confirm. The spec at the top right is Dallas(Specifcally South Dallas) Litterally nigger town, walking stereotypes.
The two spots in the middle are Austin and San antonio. Austin Ironically became the states Hipster/SJW capitol ten years ago, and San Antonio is a tourist city/spictown, houston to the east is a shithole in general And of course all the little cities at the stem are full of mexifags fresh out of the Rio Grande.
>>711265010
Ausfag here
But shouldn't the densely populated cities weigh more because they represent a higher portion of population?
>>711270735
another horrible tactic that the democrats tried to use.
If enough people start screaming that the stock market is failing then people will start pulling out all their investments and the stock market actually will fail.
They tried to do this shit just to make it look like america / the world does not support Trump regardless of how many lives they would have ruined.
They are fucking assholes
And that's why they lost :^)
Stay mad cucks
>>711277511
Think of it this way: cut out one of those states, we'll say Oklahoma, and have federal policies set by a group elected solely by popular vote. How often would Kansas, the Dakotas, and Nebraska get any funding for anything when NYC alone outvotes it entirely? They wouldn't. Ever.
When deciding how the federal government would be run, this was recognized as being unfair. Sure, the majority would be represented, but it would only need to be a slight majority and it would be the SAME slight majority forever. Those unrepresented populations would grow angrier and angrier over time, until they decided to revolt or secede. Even if a well-represented 60% is practically guaranteed victory over an unrepresented 40%, the damage done by such an eventuality would be catastrophic.
By over-representing a single vote in rural areas, the resulting policies come out to be roughly fair by population.
>>711265010
That's a Verizon coverage map, you nigger.
>>711278347
They should. But Americans loooove their ignorant farmer states too much.
>>711277431
See
>>711276541 (You)
>>711277739
The fact is the outcome affects the entire landmass, not just the handful of cities. Simple majority rule is unfair and senseless because it doesn't take different ways of life into account. Do you really think it's right for one or two cities to choose the representation of a whole state?
>>711266046
You're a dumbass. Lurk moar in civics class.
The electoral college was a way to prevent the sparsely populated southern, agricultural colonies where most of our young country's export goods were raised from being dominated by the more densely populated northern colonies where all the jews lived and produced nothing.
>>711278181
Minority isn't taking total control.
I'm guessing you're not an American, but the reason our government is laid out so different than others is that our founders took it as a final project and spent years tweaking and designing the system. Thats why unlike others we are able to run a modern country on a 250 year old constitution, and why many countries after us copied our system.
The founders frightened of true majority rule, hence the constitutional republic.
I recommend Alexesis de Tocqueville's book
http://democracyweb.org/node/36
>>711265010
LOL
America is full of idiots that believe any con you sell to them.
>>711277980
Surely you don't expect me to try and justify gang rapes that have been prolific in Europe?
All I know is every single Muslim I have ever met and I have met heaps through the Welcome to Australia movement are no different to myself and my wife and son, they just call their god something different. The blokes want to be good providers and send their kids to good schools. The wives want to get jobs and do some educational that they weren't allowed to do in their own countries and the kids want to play sport.
How is everyone wrong about this? It was created because the method of getting information about ballots was extremely inefficient. The electoral college existed to have a more fair election with the outdated means of transportation and technology of the olden days. It isn't necessary for the modern world and it needs to go.
>>711265010
is this a game of spot the college graduates? hint they are the blue ones
>>711271995
Does that mean the mexicans are racist?
They built a wall on their southern border to keep out the fucking guatemalans.
http://www.snopes.com/mexico-75-million-border-wall/
Obama even supported it.
And here you liberals are crying.
Shut the fuck up you little faggot.
>>711278414
>
Unfortunately if this logic worked then why are the rural areas such a shitstorm?
If this is the reason for the electoral college, then the college has failed.
>>711278234
It's also the greatest city on earth god damn it!
>>711278257
it goes by state. Each state is winner takes all. Except Nebraska which can split up its electoral college votes. Whoever wins a state gets the electoral college votes from that state.
States have a number of votes based on their population. But smaller states have an advantage. It isn't totally proportional to population.
So whoever gets the most electoral college votes is president. And you get votes by winning the popular votes in individual states.
>>711272944
Nicely written, and all of that sounds great, but let's be real, Sanders lost by millions of votes. The whole Super Delagate/collusion argument would hold a lot more water if Sanders had actually kept it close.
>inb4 shillary I voted for bernie in the primaries
>>711270735
pro-tip, you didn't put an anti-establishment anti-corporate person into the presidency. All you did is cut the middle man out of corporate corruption. They don't need lobbyist when they can directly make laws.
This is good for business. Bad for everyone else, but good for business.
>>711278288
>In Americas case, the "minority" is 60 million voters
No, the minority is the sections of our population being over-represented by SJWs who they've managed to brainwash into thinking they are being opprossed when in reality the USA is the most accepting nation in the world of minorities. These minorities and their SJW slaves are the driving force behind the instability. They already control our society through shaming and bullying and making good, working Americans too scared to say anything to a gay/trans/latino/black person because they might offend them then lose their job and shit because of internet slandering.
>>711278595
Of course not. But you have to understand that your anecdotal experience does not override the average statistic.
The key word in that article is "cultural practice". Your experience might show that they're all fine and dandy, but can you say the same to those 1200 women raped that night? We have to understand that there is, on average, a difference in culture.
>>711277884
Would you still care if Hillary had won the electoral vote but Trump won the popular?
>>711272968
And that has fuck all to do with what exactly? That's happening everywhere in the 1st world except for Japan.
>>711278215
The US constitution doesn't just get amended for things like that.
> Look up the white Australia Policy.
Why? The present discussion has very little to do with Australia.
>>711278814
My point was there is no real "minority" in this election. There was a difference of 300 000 in the popular vote for Clinton. Does that make Trump supporters a minority? I would be hesitant to use that word.
>>711265010
ALEX JONES IS DANCING WITH NAKED CHICKS AGAIN!
>>711265010
you should really just update the system or at least have plans to start moving onto direct democracy - via internet.
one citizen, one vote
the current system is designed for people riding horses across the country, literally
>>711278730
If by greatest city on earth you mean giant liberal shithole, then sure.
>>711277593
Maybe if you funded your public education poor people wouldn't become addicts and teen parents and have to steal to survive
>>711278974
Autist, he was talking about Australia's constitution in the first place. Lurk moar.
>>711278347
that's kinda the idea.
if more people live in cities than in rural areas, we (apparently) DONT want the vote to swing in the city-dwellers' favor.
it's a fucked up and stupid way of doing things...but it's not entirely arbitrary.
>>711278754
The Cold War is still too fresh in people's minds to elect a Socialist President.
>hurr durr he's a commi
Could you imagine where America would be in 20 years if the free education was introduced? Every person doing what they wanted to do in life, not just what they could afford. The place would run like clockwork and the free education would have paid for itself a hundred times over.
>>711278742
Are Pence and Trump the only options, can the electoral college vote for Hillary? (if so what happens if Hillary gets more votes than Trump...is she POTUS?)
So theoretically if Pence gets more votes he could end up POTUS
>>711270114
bullshit
>>711265010
it is really disgusting because basically cities mean retarded nonwhite parasites.
and it is horrifying to think that retarded parasites are allowed to decide the fate of a country.
>>711265010
But the reason those city dwellers would "decide for the whole country" is that there are more of them. More people. Just because the rural people are more spread out doesn't make them more people-y.
>>711278621
They need to update the EC counts if nothing else. A lot of these numbers are just wrong. Some states should have a lot more EC votes than they do, because their population has grown so much since the last review. Where as a lot of red states haven't really grown that much in 100 years (relative to blue states, anyway).
This is why the EC favors republicans/red states - it gives us more EC votes than we deserve. Montana, for example, carries about twice as much weight as it should in votes.
>>711279125
We spend more money per student each year and it's still shit. It gets worse every year. The problem is the Department of Education and the lack of a school choice system, not money.
>>711279238
So there are no janitors? Keep dreaming you moron. Even in countries that have free college there are still plenty of people who fail at life. Not everybody is college material.
These red marks are those who with disagree with the two party oligarchy that has ruined the people of this land.
The Republican base refused, bucked and harumphed at D. J. Trumps bid for the WH. The Democratic Left tried everything short of gunfire to put a has been shrill in the oval office.
In this election. RED is not for the Conservative Masters of Wall Street, it is the Mama loving, flag saluting red necks, red blooded, red faced anger working men, and women fed up with their blood sweat ant tears being spend over seas on those who would see us dead or enslaved Of seeing dirty thieving hacks, run from the mess they made in their own home nations and bring the same practices of ruination here to destroy what our fathers and brothers made worth something too and to hang on to. Of being played like simpletons by the FOURTH ESTATE, of our schools and collages being indoctrination centers, of being ignored by those we elect to serve NOT CONTROL our home towns, our small businesses, our churches and our bathrooms.
Trump was not elected by the Loyal, but by the Renegades.
The Easy Way is the way of Entropy, the path of lease resistance is always down hill, to ground.
TO HELL WITH DIMWITCRITS, TO BLAZES WITH REPUGANTCANS, VICTORY IS TO ANONYMOUS MAJORITY, THE VOICE OF THE CONSUMER HAS SPOKEN OUT.
Do you hear me now?
>>711278831
Of corse there is a culture difference. They are a different culture. Normal for them is not knowing if their kids are going to come home from school that day because maybe the Taliban walk onto the school bus and shoot their daughter in the face for daring to educate herself. How do we change their
culture when they arrive in new western countries? Is it be demonising them and making them outcasts? Or do we show them how shit is done here and if you can't fit in then get on a boat and fuck off back where you came from.
>>711271316
you are tremendously unfunny. tremendously.
>>711279424
But it does mean they have a different way of life and vastly different needs.
>>711278621
Yeah. Because we want NYC and California to decide our elections every time. Literally 230k votes from those two places won her the popular. Mostly illegals, doubles, and dead people anyway.
>>711278974
I know. Obama tried to get something changed to stop kiddies getting blown to pieces by AR 15s at school but the senate would not let it happen.
Don't worry about looking up the policy then. you just asked where it said about the old policy.
>>711279309
Yes, the electoral college can vote for anybody, they are real people. Some states have laws that say they must vote the way the people voted but most states do not have those laws. But it is rare for one to vote against the people's vote. Well over 99% of the time they stay true to the people's vote.
But yes, theoretically they could vote clinton and she would win.
>>711278926
*chirp*
>>711265010
Are Pence and Trump the only options, can the electoral college vote for Hillary? (if so what happens if Hillary gets more votes than Trump, does she end up taking the oath?
So theoretically if Pence gets more votes he could end up POTUS
>>711279113
I was being facetious.
>>711275214
Looking at those maps, fuck i want to move to OK.
>>711279424
Exactly. The bottom line is that no one persons vote should be worth any more or less than anyone elses. City or rural, rich or poor, white or not, male or female, gay or straight...whatever. A vote should be a vote, and whoever gets the most votes should be the President. It's that simple.
Sadly, that's not the way it is. If you're in a deep Red or Blue state, your vote counts for less than someone in a swing states vote. We've proven that twice now just in the last twenty years. And it will keep happening until the Electoral College is done away with. It's obsolete.
>>711265010
wow, the entire country is littered with red morons
>>711277593
I have a son. Still the same. I also have 3 dogs and a long drive way and a shot gun in my gun locker. I still would not pull it out and use it just for the sake of some cash and a laptop.
>>711279592
Cultural relativism is a dangerous concept. Yes some of them live in incredibly dangerous countries, but at the same time the husband might beat his wife because she went out in public alone. This doesn't get excused just because his country is at war.
The way to integrate them better is to get rid of this shit policy the west has of "multiculturalism", and instead of encouraging immigrants to retain their culture, encourage them to assimilate to the mainstream culture.
Shared values + identity = happy and trusting country.
>>711279755
what about Trump and Pence? If Pence gets mre votes does he have to concede and give Presidency to Trump?
also whats a super delegate?
>>711279738
Not him but if obama wanted to stop kiddies from being blown away by AR15s then he should've looked at mental healthcare and not in law abiding citizens gun safes.
>>711278181
White people will be the minority in America by 2050.
>>711279938
>If you're in a deep Red or Blue state, your vote counts for less than someone in a swing states vote.
this is handy, though. I'm in TN (red) and I don't have to bother voting because there's no way a Democrat is going to make any headway here. Saves me a trip out.
>>711279238
I don't disagree with you, that's why I voted for Bernie in the primaries. I just didn't cry when he lost or go Bernie or Bust in the general afterwards because I knew the alternative was going to be shit. People who cried muh primaries rigged can fuck themselves right off. Not implying that's what you did, just stating that there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, that did exactly that.
>>711280043
No one is trying to get rid of the entire system. The parties choose their nominee, they get them on the ballots, and whoever gets the most votes wins. Just skip this Electoral nonsense. If Pence chooses to run against someone from his own party, he can go through the same process of getting on the ballots in each state, and have a chance of winning. Why not?
>>711277270
everywhere else is like 99% white man, i'm shocked if i see anyone with dark skin
>>711279558
Nobody's making that claim but you, sport.
>>711280254
>People who cried muh primaries rigged can fuck themselves right off.
somethingsomething wikileaks somethingsomething emails proving the DNC tanked Bernie somethingsomething we've read it all before.
>>711279558
And your point is what? Does free education mean every single person will go to University? Nope. It just means the bridge between the rich and the poor will be closed and if a person has the motivation and intelligence to make an effort, then they can be whatever they want in life.