Any opiate experts here? I need help, im in deep shit. So here in Canada there is an epidemic (parts of USA as well) of FAKE oxy 80 pills. They are manufactured in places like china (even in canada some of the shittier ones i believe). They contain usually fentanyl, or some sort of fentanyl analogue.. or some sort of opiate research chemical. The ones I have been addicted to for the past 5 weeks are the ones painted green that are white inside. They are extremely compact and hard to crush. My friend and I are addicted to them, we sniff them. It provides a powerful short acting high. These are strong, but my tolerance went up so much the past 5 weeks and im scared.
Whatever opiate is in these, has a very short half life, because recently I went into withdrawal.. I started feeling them after 5 hours last dose, at 12 hour mark it was bad (GRANTED.. since ive only been addicted for 5 weeks, the withdrawals were not as bad as some horror stories i read online thankfully) and I BELIEVE the withdrawal intensity peaked at hour 20. I went 24 hours before my next dose the longest I went without. I wish I just waited another 24 hours because im positive most of the withdrawals would have been over by then.
I will CONTINUE in thread
Pathetic.
>>709695967
back when those were new on the scene, i used to cut the 80s into 16 pieces and would take one every 4-6 hours.
got employee of the month.
so yeah.. my first question is.. does tapering off actually work? Like, for example (at my peak i was doing like two pills a day which is a fuck load i think since these are def stronger than 80mg of real oxy).
I tapered a nice amount in the past 4 days i reckon. So is this correct? Say you wait 5 hours until you go into withdrawal.. and then tough it out for 12 hours, and THEN take just a little line not even enough to get high but to just stop the w/d or at least stop most of it.. and then repeat this process.. your brain is slowly repairing right? I mean whenever you are in withdrawal your brain is firing up its natural receptors again is that correct? And if you taper down a lot, does that mean the final withdrawal wont be as severe? im just scared as fuck to go into withdrawal again. it was so depressing.
Again these pills (I live in ontario, and they are white inside JUST like the pic I posted) have a very short half life whatever opiate is inside..
My next problem. My friend who is addicted with me went to a methadone clinic today and guess what, when they tested him they found nothing. None of the common opiate metabolites, he explained to them (he was withdrawing pretty bad but not that bad it was just 7 or so hours since his last dose) and even showed them the pills they said they never saw anything like that.. anyways they said all we can do is give you the lowest dose possible.. so yeah.
I KNOW THIS IS A LONG READ, but i beg you please read this (any opiate addict experts or ex addicts) I have more to say!
>>709696539
Nursefag here, Tapering off will work, but you will have to go to such low levels you essentially aren't doing much and you won't be getting "high"
You have something stronger hence the quicker tolerence. but also, opioid abuse will take several months to build up a tolerance and it will come fast and then it takes a long while to go away.. many months.
taper off, quit. You've lost a high you will never get again and you're chasing a really shitty high. Stop being a degenerate and make something better of yourself. Or just fully commit to heroin and go down a faster spiral that you are already on.
You still have time to make better decisions.
>>709695967
THIS IS NOW A SPIDERMAN THREAD
>>709696868
This.
You're at least able to acknowledge you're in a bad situation and you're giving yourself an out. Ditch any excess pills and keep what you think is needed for tapering and sort it the fuck out because I've seen people at this point and I've seen people go past, and if it's anything like heroin the times you offer yourself an out get less and less and the longer you leave it (and we're only talking months here), the less of the person you were remains until you're just a nutcase shell of a human. You can do it OP, godspeed.
so my friend who is hooked with me, he claims this happened to him. So he started doing opiates 4 months ago, 2 months later (he was snorting dilaudid at this point, nothing else no other opiates.. so he was on hydromorphone sniffing them his last 2-3 weeks he was sniffing like one 8mg a day.. so not THAT bad compared to others.)
2 months later he ran out or something and had nothing, so he was withdrawing pretty bad cause its been like 48 hours or i think a litle longer.. i think 60-70 and he told me that he def felt like he made it through the worst of the withdrawals (so maybe this has to do with what im about to say) so finally at hour 60-70 he gets on methadone, they blood test him and find the morphine metabolite and start him on methadone (It was one of the lowest dosages you can get.. probably cause like I said he wasnt FULL BLOWN heroin injecting junkie of 2 years yet, right?) So he drinks the methadone and all his withdrawals (remember, he went like 2 or something days without dilaudid and at this point the withdrawal was fading away) dissapear..he goes the next day, they make him drink the bottle.. goes there again next day same shit, fourth day he couldnt make it to the clinic but he didnt get withdrawals (im guessing cause a) methadone has very long half life and it stays in your system long activated right?, and b) he wasnt on a high dose)...but the next day he went again. next day he couldnt make it again.. so like on day 7 or some shit with two days missed i think he missed 3 days in a row and then day 11 or something, he goes and that was the last day he went.. heres the thing. He claims that when he stopped going he got basically zero withdrawals, because two weeks after his last methadone bottle he was still feeling no withdrawals. Because thats what i asked im like methadone takes a while to feel withdrawals from so did you wait at least 4 days? he said yeah no he was like on week two and was fine.. he was clean, (according to him)
wil continue
Functional H addict here.
It is either a higher dose, or hot-spot, of Fentanyl, or, I would wager, U47700.
Taper. Either that, or find Subutex, or even Suboxone.
>>709697497
Thanks for supporting my knowledge. Cheers from Canada
also, OP. Get better. They are fucking opioids man
>>709697597
SO THIS IS MY NEXT BIG BIG QUESTION.
Since my friend switched from dilaudid to methadone and essentially did a short fast taper off the methadone without intention
(because here in ontario im assuming its the same everywhere... you arent allowed to "taper" off if you want, especially not by your own choice and you arent allowed to just take the bottle home right away, yeh fucking retarded i know. So how he missed dosages is by the fact he just couldnt make it that day, so that was his version of a very sloppy shitty taper. )
whats the science behind this, is there any reason why he didnt feel much if any withdrawal?
Since these fake oxys we are hooked on now, dont test positive for morphine or any of the common ones.. EVEN FENTANYL, he told me they tried for just plain old fentanyl and they didnt find any. If i switched to methadone for like 5 days, giving my body enough time to flush all this weird opiate from the fake oxys out of my body, can i just stop the methadone and be fine...?
>>709695967
Quit now while you still can
>>709696528
Should've just taken two Advil.
>>709695967
Most of the fake OXY is actually manufactured by the real maker. Pharmacies buy them so that when a junkie robs them they get the fake stuff instead of the hidden real stuff. This has been going on for a long time bud.
>>709697729
it is either a higher dose.. what do you mean, that doesnt even make sense?
hot spot? Dude you are making zero sense. I know what a hot spot is but what does hot spot have to do with anything im saying/asking sorry im not intending to be rude im just asking.
its not fentanyl i wish it was like we thought it was all this fucking time, but nope methadone clinic tested negative for fentanyl. hey yeah it MIGHT be U47700 I am reading that this drug doesnt test as anything.. this is fucking bad.
>>709695967
Also you are a gigantic pussy. Just fucking stop cold turkey. It's not like you are addicted to benzos or alcohol, the withdrawals won't kill you.
>>709695967
opiate not having legs = short half life. I'd say ride it out cold turkey, you'll go through 3 days of fuck and then you'll start feeling better.
>>709696868
hey did you read what i said. where did i say im chasing this high ? im asking about tapering.. but thanks fuckhead. cant you tell im trying to get better, i have no plans on doing heroin or continuing down this path. im just seeing my options
>>709699054
>>709699053
>>709699321
Just fucking deal with five days of hell bud. Withdrawals will peak around day two to three. Grow a pair and accept what you've gotten into. If you live in Canada buy fucking tylenol with codeine and do a cold water extraction to help taper.
Loperamide (immodium) works wonders. take a pill every time the shit spray starts
>>709699321
>>709699402
Take Immodium to deal with the diahrrea, do not drink liquor. Take aleve for the aches and pains, and benadryl or dramamine to help with the nausea.
t. addict
>>709695967
>addicted for the past 5 weeks
>im scared
OP addicts aren't scared of the drugs they're addicted to. Also, addicts don't claim or even realize they're addicts within fucking 5 weeks. I'm a recovering heroin addict and faggots like you make us look more fucking retarded than we already are most of the time. Kys m88888
>>709699803
After five weeks you sure as hell can be physically addicted to benzos or opiates bud. Hell, I withdrawal from opiates after a week binge now.
They're either a fent analogue or u47700. Both have super short half lives. Tapering works. But I Would buy a few G's of fent analogue, FIBF works best, and a mg scale, and read on volumetric dosing.
Taper 10% per 3-5 days , be very very careful, and stick with a slow onset ROA oral, sniff maybe, not shot or smoke or whatever.
Currently tapering of Acryl Fent off 90mgs of methadone. Opi user for better part of a decade. But I live a normal life, have a decent IT job, etc. Can't afford to be sick for a week.
>>709699896
Good luck man. I'm addicted to benzodiazepines and am in the same boat. Can't afford to be sick, don't have three weeks to sweat it out.
>>709700093
for benzos talk to a fucking doctor. for real. unless you like having seizures. and yeah, people have had seizures jumping off at a fraction of a .25 xanny
dugs are bad. don't do them.
Yes, tapering off works. That's what methadone clinics are meant to do. Just Google it man for proof
>>709700244
No point in talking to a doctor. I'm not willing to be flagged as an addict as I'm addicted to a legal analogue and my legit script for emergency lorazepam is my get out of jail card if I ever get drug tested.
Shit is fucked tho, I go from 10mg of xanax equivalent a day to 3, was down to .5mg but relapsed.
And yeah I've seized many times stepping down. It's the panic attacks that are the worst. As educated professionals I find it funny that the smartest people are those who think they can withstand temptation.
>>709699896
really? whih fent analogue should i buy dude? Obviously the weaker one right the one that i dont have to mix so i can safefly snort without dying?
also where the fuck do i buy this?? on the markets theres only fentanyl in canada.
ACETYL fentanyl is the safer one right? The one thats only 20 x stronger than morphine rather than 100-200 or w.e from regular fentanyl? If thats the case, i dont have to worry about dying from touching it or breathing in an airborn partical yeah?
>>709699767
>>709699767
dude when i was withdrawing i tried loperamide.. didnt do shit i was still in pain
>>709700558
Dude, its been five weeks. Just go cold turkey, in 5 days you will be fine and you won't die. If you must, buy 222s and read up on cold water extraction.
There is no reason for you to taper man unless you risk losing your job.
>>709700611
It only helps with the shits. Loperamide, aleve, and benadryl/dramamine are the best OTC plan out there. Shit will still suck, but so is a life of drug abuse.
>>709700611
Well no shit you'll still be in pain. the benefit is you won't be dehydrated from immediately shitting out every damn thing you try to eat
>>709700683
Just getting in thread now. Dude here who's been addicted to opiates for 7+ years. On methadone now though. This dude's been sober for 5 weeks? The fuck just quit, man.
>>709700549
Addicted to a legal analogue that you're buyng illegally..
It's like bluelight up in this bitch. Been a recreational pill head since my 20s. Never got addicted, only withdrawal I had was flu like symptoms.
>>709700683
>>709701028
Oh using for 5 weeks LOL you'll be fine kid. Just drink some water, shit your brains out and don't look back at opiates ever again, FAGGOT. Unless you wanna be a homeless junkie, or on methadone for years like me. Faggot.
Currently going through a hydrocodone withdrawal, it's fucking hell but adderall makes it easier, as does Immodium. I also take a daily multivitamin so my withdrawals aren't as bad this time.
>Tfw addict for four years
>Tfw the dealer gets more, you're damn right I'm gonna get more, happiness is only $5 a pop
>>709699803
youre dumb dude i did a lot in the past 5 weeks and i did withdraw fucking pretty bad when i said i went 24 hours without this short acting opiate
>>709701303
>happiness is only 5$ a pop
Yeah so is ruining your life faggot. Have fun.
>>709695967
May as well go ahead and put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye if you plan to continue down this road kid. There's no happy ending. You may not die, but you'll definitely lose something or someone dear to you. All in all I most about 7 close friends over the period of about 5 years due to oxy, suboxone, methadone, etc. I'm lucky I made it out. Have a little fun, but quit while you can man.
>>709701028
>>709701257
How did you guys get your methadone, out of curiosity? I've been thinking about going to the doctor for my withdrawals but I've heard some bad stories before.
I'm this guy
>>709701303
>>709701037
Nope, legal to buy, legal to possess, legal to ingest. It's a thienobenzodiazepine that falls outside the US Analogue Act. Only importation is illegal. Buying from a US vendor is kosher.
>>709701028
>>709701257
Agreed OP is a bitch and needs to nut up.
>>709701303
>multivitamin
>hyrdros
child pls.
>>709695967
bluelight.ru
>>709701204
That is literally all opiate withdrawals are. Flu-like. But can be the worst flu on earth. You won't die, you won't seize. Unless your job is on the line opiate addicts are pussies unless they slam.
>>709701434
You can't pretend that hydro withdrawal doesn't exist. It fucking sucks, whether you want to admit it or not. It might not be as bad as the others but it's still its own sort of hell
>>709701431
I went to the clinic and got on it that day, my life has been 150% better since. But I was bad into the hydromorphone (Canadian here too)
>>709701577
What did they say? Were they actually helpful or judgmental bitches? Were you nervous at all?
>>709701572
Five days. Five, freaking days. Just quit dude. From a decade long addict nut up and deal with the aches and pains. Immodium, benadryl/dramamine, aleve. Five days and you are free. Five days and its over.
If I could go back I would. Just jump off that shit.
>>709701431
>>709701434
Yeah OP is a bitch. Ask I do now is dab really. I got my medical weed card. Actually my methadone doctor hooked me up with that too lol. Well told me where to go, he's a solid dude.
i'm a pharmacist
withdrawal is bad
but at least it's not as bad as alcohol withdrawal
listen to this guy >>709699771
and see a doctor
>>709701759
I'm not OP. Were you not paying attention when I said I've been popping for 4 years vs. OPs measly 5 fucking weeks? I fucking WISH it's only been 5 weeks
Just get off the shit. I am / was a long time Opiate abuser. Started in like 2004 when my wisdom teeth were removed and they sent me home with scripts of percocet.
The following year I was snorting oxy 80's with friends in the bathrooms at school.
Than they changed the formula and everything was 30's and 15's and than the price sky rocketed from $10-$20 for an oxy 80 to OVER A DOLLAR PER MG for oxy 30's.
That's when heroin came into my life shortly after that the needle in some crumby fucking apartment owned by some fucking scumbag piece of shit I was buying the dope from and in order for him to hook me up I had to give him a few baggies (14 bags per bundle - 1 bundle roughly $35.00 for east coast powder dope)
One day he offered to shoot me up because my tolerance was getting so out of hand. Fast forward a few months and I'm in the hospital with an abscess the size of a fucking mango on my arm and the doctor tells my mom I'm a dope head and she fainted and hit the floor.
Stay away. Stay very far away. It's been roughly two years since my last opiate fueled junk-sessions and I STILL crave. If there's even a tic tac on the floor i'll triple double check to see if it's a pill that can get me high.
Shit's not cool dude. I could go on and on and on but that's basically my most simplistic warning I can give you.
Stick to weed and alcohol.
>>709695967
OP I'm an Ontario Paramedic,
We have been briefed by our base hospital that there has been an increase of "dumping" in the opiates. (Fake shit/cut shit). Meaning some big player is trying to make some quick money and the downfall is falling on the local populous. My opinion to you is check yourself into a clinic ASAP before you or someone you know get's killed. Were getting slammed right now by the amount of OD's, Hospitals are at a standstill because of this.
>>709701711
You are addicted to hydros, you don't need to one up it with methadone. Just quit dude, deal with the wds.
>>709701920
>>709701711
No man they're there to help you. You go in, tell them you wanna sign up, you pee in a cup and you sign papers and pay 5$ a dose unless you're on welfare. You'll start off on 20-25 , you can generally use for the first week they don't care. I got my carries after 6 months of being clean and just smoking weed.
looks like fentanyl pills to me
>>709701920
But yeah, four years will suck but it will be over in a week.
>>709702120
>fentanyl
>pills
haha no
fentanyl is available in lozenges, pops, IV, nasal, patch
no pills
>>709702080
Depends how long he was doing hydros and how he was. I was hooked for years and I couldn't keep a job so I needed methadone. He probably does too, maybe not? I would literally be debilitatingly sick for weeks at a time.
>>709702080
It's hard man. I'd like to argue that I'm not weak willed but when it comes to the hydros, I really am. I'll be the first to admit it. You're right though.
>>709702111
That's awesome. I've been thinking about it but I don't want my parents finding out, being even more judged than I am, being listed as an addict on medical reports, etc. etc. Otherwise, I'd love to at least try it.
>>709702177
I'm on about day 5 coming onto 6 and I feel slightly better.
>>709702242
what >>709702120 is talking about is that the pills op takes are fent pills
the writing is on the wall for good opiates, unless you can nab a script. get out while you can
>>709701907
>and see a doctor
Which is really the best advice. But I doubt OP will listen.
>>709702324
If he has two weeks he can be clean. Opiates aren't like benzos or alcohol. It's 100% will to quit, you won't die from it.
>>709702473
As someone who has spent 10 years addicted to various drugs, and is currently addicted to the only two that will kill you (benzos and booze) just power through it. Seriously, if you are this far don't get on methadone. You are stronger than that and the worst is over.
I believe in you. Believe in yourself.
>>709702324
Like I said, 4 years, pretty functional (mainly good at lying). I am getting a new job and if I had to do it with the withdrawals, I'd be floored, no doubt about it. I'm not even sure what I would do about that situation to be honest but keep on keepin' on
>>709699767
I thought you guys we're full of shit when I first saw someone say that immodium helped withdraw symptoms. However, being desperate one day I tried it. I couldn't believe how much it helped. The heart racing and sweats would almost completely go away. I couldn't believe it.
>>709702683
Go on methadone dude, trust me. I was on the hydros too and the half life sucks. Methadone will do you good, easier to taper off too. Don't listen to the faggots saying you're trading one for another. You technically are but it gives you structure. Addiction isn't Dependency. These fucks need school. If it's effecting your everyday life in a negative way, go in methadone bro. You'll thank me.
>>709702682
Thank you anon. Seriously. Please tell me about your benzo addiction?
>>709702791
>The heart racing and sweats would almost completely go away.
THIS. I have it on my counter as I type. If I didn't have my adderall, that'd be what I'd be using. It definitely helps but obviously you have to be careful with it!
>>709702791
Immodium is an opiate antagonizer faggot it what make you constipated when you get high
>>709702791
>>709703048
They just take the part of the molecules that make your shitter plugged and doesn't give your brain a blanket. Ever hear of chemistry? Or Google, fuck.
>>709702868
Only the weak can't jump off opiates. Trading an oral hydro addiction for done is simply foolish. Just fucking deal with being sick for two weeks.
>>709702979
I suffer from panic disorder with agoraphobia and ADHD. I'm currently prescribed SSRIs, Buspar, and "rescue take when needed" Xanax. I stopped taking adderal cause I kept abusing it. The only thing that works is taking Xanax. I learned of a legal Xanax I could buy, and two years later I'm 100% without anxiety and successful but a horrific addict.
Don't do benzos. Trust me. Opiates, alcohol, meth, etc. is nothing compared to them if you are mentally ill.
>>709702682
>It's 100% will to quit, you won't die from it.
Yeah I know you won't seize up and die like benzo withdrawal but opiate withdrawal can be long drawn out in long time users, you should know that. Also you feel like you're gonna die, that's bad enough most times to make you cave lol. Methadone takes that away, and the anxiety and the fact of being around drugs like that in the first place. That's why it's gold for some people.
>>709703418
Oddly, I don't get the depression, the anxiety or any of that garbage. I once tried Xanax and got tired and that was it. I was pretty disappointed. I'm not sure what happened but I know it's not my drug of choice, just hydros mainly
>>709703418
>Just fucking deal with being sick for two weeks
Yeah and lose my job and be homeless? I would withdrawal for 6 plus weeks, faggot. I live in the real world, not moms basement.
>>709702979
So don't take everything I've said in this thread as saying you are weak. I'm just saying life can be soooo much worse. Just go cold turkey. I cold turkey opiates every few weeks. Don't be like me, you can do it. And stay sober. Addiction is a disease.
>>709703659
Fair enough, I'd still take a week off work and cold turkey with aleve/immodium/benadryl first.
>>709703863
Nobody withdrawals for six weeks off opiates. And I used to do black tar.
>>709703418
>I suffer from panic disorder with agoraphobia and ADHD
Yeah you sound like a welfare queen, fuck off. I hate faggots like you who tell people to go dope sick instead of treatment. You're retarded.
>>709704082
I make 85k a year bud, have a successful career, and a horrible vice. Either go inpatient or deal with it. Methadone is for IV users, not pill poppers.
>>709704038
Addiction IS a disease. Thanks for you help man, seriously.
>>709704038
>Nobody withdrawals for six weeks off opiates
You're an idiot, physical symptoms can last months in some users, mental ones for years, the methadone takes that away. Do some research, or some drugs.
>>709703761
I never understood how people could get high on Xanax. I was only prescribed 2mg tabs and that shit would knock me out for the entire night. It was crazy. I have had 7 brain and spine surgeries, and can take 8-12mg of oral Dilaudid and still function throughout the day, but one small Xanax knocked me out and made me feel like I had a hangover the next day.
>>709701434
naw man, if you're in holding of prescription drugs without a prescription, it's against federal law..
>>709704273
This, except without the hangover. I know what you mean though. I bought a few and tried to up the dose. Worked like a tranquilizer on me. Sold the rest, I'll stick to hydros lol I'm not into that stuff
>>709704268
I assume you're a current methadone addict? It doesn't last that long, you've been deceived.
>>709704273
Benzos don't get you high, they make you "normal." Like I said, I have mental problems that are treated by benzos. Otherwise only extreme IV users abuse them to up their opiate high.
>>709704304
Not a prescription drug in the USA. Do I have to tell you what it is to trust me? I'd rather not in a junkie thread but trust me, its 100% legal amazingly. Even the FDA says so.
>>709704233
According to him you should just go dope sick instead of seek help, seems legit. That's worked for like every junky ever.
>>709704612
It's oral opiates. They don't need methadone.
>>709699321
>Gets told how it is
>Is shitty about it
Go die in a gutter smackhead
>>709704569
>It doesn't last that long, you've been deceived.
So I didn't withdrawal for a month plus and cave and go back to shooting up????? You're a fucking idiot man, it's different everyone. IV users respectfully.
>>709704791
You were shooting up you idiot. IV is what done is for. These fools are taking oral. They don't need to trade one addiction for another.
You and I are different from them. Telling a 4 year hydro addict and a five week oxy addict to get on methadone is just setting them up to be lifelong addicts.
>>709704777
I injected it, snorted it when u couldn't shoot up. Hell I even smoked it at some point.
>>709705011
I know you and me are the same. Anyone who asks for help doesn't need to get on methadone. They need to nut up and deal with it.
Sorry, without tags its hard to know who we are replying to.
>>709705004
>Telling a 4 year hydro addict
That's where you're wrong. He's been on hydro for 4 years. He can't just quit and be free from it completely in a month. Yeah the physical symptoms will be gone but that's not what makes people relapse every time... He'll be thinking about it all day everyday for months on end...
>>709705004
4 year here. What do you think is the best course of action to take, all things considered?
>>709705305
Are you shooting up or just oral?
If just oral taper off. bluelight.ru will have all the help you need. If you slam, then try bluelight but you very well may need methadone.
Just understand, methadone is still an addiction. It's mind over matter, but if you want to learn more talk to you doctor, talk to a drug counselor, or go to bluelight.
4chan is not the place for a real addict to find help. If I was you, considering you have a constanst supply, just taper off. Take a little less every few days. Don't get high. Just get normal.
>>709705305
Do you snort dude? Or just swallow? (Insert GAY joke here)
>>709705612
>Don't get high. Just get normal
YOU'RE telling an addict to NOT get high hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>>709705305
Go on methadone, don't go above 60ml/mg and taper down from there. You'll be off it in 8-12 months if you're serious about it.
>>709698205
sounds like you might have a newer RC called W-18, it's a super potent opioid. it is often sold as green 80 pills.
>>709705612
>>709705659
Swallow orally like a faggot. I snorted once, hated the sting and never bothered to do it again honestly.
>>709705612
You're wrong again bro. Methadone is a dependency not an addiction. An addiction disrupts ones life. Methadone can bring structure. Read up bro.
>>709699054
W-18 is pretty common right now in canada and america.
Hey OP. Go to r e d d i t . c o m/r/opiates and ask there. better replies and smarter audience. I'll reply there.
>>709706085
Then methadone may not be for you, but it really comes down to how you feel, and how sick you get bro. If getting the pills is hard or is effecting your life, go on methadone tho.
>>709705305
So what you need is to set up a schedule. There is no set tapering regime for opiates, but look up the Ashton manual for benzos. I'd cut your opiate intake by said amounts. On the weekends stay home and feel like shit, and on Monday morning take half a pill every hour til you feel okay then go to work.
>>709705944
>YOU'RE telling an addict to NOT get high hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
If he wants to quit that is the REALITY he has to accept. Getting high is over. Being "not sick" is the best life he has for a while. Otherwise, he'd doomed to fail.
>>709706085
Read above and step it down. Don't take any pills and when you must take half a pill. Repeat as needed. Write down your time of dose, and make a chart. Figure out the bare minumum you need to not be sick then taper off.
>>709706173
> Methadone is a dependency not an addiction. An addiction disrupts ones life. Methadone can bring structure.
Naive as fuck. You're as far gone as I am. For us its a step down, for them its a step up. And no, methadone is physically addictive, you just have to go to your junky clinic to get it.
>>709695967
probably taking a fent analog. try to taper your dose down as much as you can, i dont know if subs would help at this point but i doubt they'd hurt
>>709695967
Fentynal will lead to withdrawal 4 times in a single day.....your tolerance will not top out, your only option is to get into a rehab that provides suboxone, subutex, or methadone to WEAN off.....do not use these meds as maintenance drugs, they are just as hard to stop using.
Your life is about to spiral if it hasn't already. Get....help.....now. good luck anon. It's the toughest thing you'll ever do.
Nigga just grow and eat shrooms, they help with getting over addictions and mental health. I recommend going on www.shrooms.com for sum gud spores
>>709695967
yeah obviously they are fent 80s. OC 80s are not even in production anymore, canada has CDN 80s but theyre mostly switching to the OP formula that you cannot snort without seriously fucking up the pill.
My suggestion to you, as a 5 YEAR addict, 5 weeks is nothing and you have to hop off now. I know it doesnt feel comfortable but it will be the best choice you ever made. And when you do, don't act all haughty to other addicts because you kicked your addiction early. It's a lot easier to do it now than it will be.
>>709706480
I didn't say methadone isn't physically addictive dude. It is, that's the nature of the drug, it alerts the structure of our brain. That's a fact. It's only an addiction when it disrupts your life (aka your stealing to get it) understand now?
>>709696539
It's almost impossible to taper yourself....you need to go to a medically managed rehab that offers drugs to do that. It is extremely difficult for an addict to taper themselves. Go get the help man before you die....or worse, remain addicted.
>>709706832
>>709706480
>alters*
Addiction is not dependency how many times do I have to type this???
>>709706857
This so much!!!!!
>>709706832
It's an addiction if you can't stop using without it disrupting your life. Just because 'done lets you function doesn't mean are you are not addicted to opiates. There is no reason to suggest methadone to anyone who posts on /b/. If they were true addicts they'd been thru hell and back. I'm not saying you're wrong, but this isn't the right place nor time.
>>709706968
Addiction is physical withdrawal. That is fact. Dependency is a whole other argument.
>>709701394
not that guy but I don't think you know how bad they get. You basically got the flu at this point and you're not gonna feel good going through it. Maybe you might throw up a couple times. Still that is nothing compared to a long-time addiction.
Source: 5 years of addiction, kicked more times than I can remember, even kicked suboxone cold turkey.
>>709707248
COLD TURKEY DEAL WITH THE ONE WEEK OF HELL
Trust the addicts everyone. Seriously.
>>709707177
You're the idiot for telling this faggot to not seek help and try to "taper" himself. So you don't like methadone, we get it, but don't thwart others away from what otherwise may be their only help. You're like one of those autists telling parents to give their kids shots.
>>709707492
Five weeks of oxy, and years of oral hydros aren't worth it. If they can't deal with a week or two of being sick so be it. They aren't going to die, and it's going to blow, but they get a fresh start without being an addict like you. They aren't playing with needles. They need motivation and will power, not more dope.
But by all means talk to a doctor or addiction counselor.
>>709707492
not give their kids shots*
Vaccines are important people.
have you try the drugzzzzz
>>709707732
What if they can't afford the time off to get sober? That was my downfall. Money. I need lots of it.
There's a lot of good info here but a lot of dumbass dangerous advice here as well.
If you're in full blown withdrawals (can't sit still, cold sensitive as fuck, yawning, watery eyes, aching like a motherfucker, shitting, jerking off 10x a day, then go to CVS, dollar general wherever and get immodium/loperamide.
You can get 72 for $5 at dollar general.
Take 20.This wont hurt you even remotely. Especially if you've been blowing up on shady-eighties for 5 weeks.
You can take more but it's really bad for your heart above 50mg at a time.
Anyway, it will remove a large portion of your WD's. You still wont sleep (xanax) but it will be a lot better.
>>709707972
>jerking off 10x a day
That wasn't JUST ME?!
>>709700558
u47 and fent guy here
I Told you, FIBF
Theres a website that takes WU and bit coins that I deal with. I got my acryl fent shipment from them in Hong Kong to SE Virginia in literally 49 hours from them, well 49 hours since tracking started, add 24 more hours for order and payment processing.
Theyre they top chemical (Site) four me
That should be enough to find them, they don't advertise all of their stuff on the site, so if you want something, ask in temp.pm to support.
You just need a mg scale and a few syringes, not needles just syringes, and a nose spray bottle. I take like 150mg and dissolve into 30 mL, which either gets further diluted or straight into the spray bottle (use a pump spray bottle like for afrin). Each spray is 0.10 mL, so 30mL = 300 sprays, with 150mg = 0.5 mg or 500mcg. I can measure down to 10mg before the scale gets wonky, and I think its like 10-5000 mg with +/- 2mg. Because I'm making 150mg at a time the scale is pretty accurate and not at its limits, and 2mg difference over that large of a pile of powder is gonna be like +/- 1% or so, so not a big deal.
The point is that you don't need a "safe" fent analogue, just some common sense, a scale, and a syringe. Morphine or heron wouldn't be safe if you only had a kg increment scale to measure right? I use a KL-50 scale off amazon. Has a level, wind cover, adjustable legs, adapter power possible, and calibration weights. Was like $35 USD.
Oh and the place I use charges $35 for US or CAD shipments.
Dear OP,
If you read any of these replies, please please please read this. SO, I've been addicted to opiates for over 4 years. Now mind you I always thought I couldn't get addicted, I was too carful to become dependant. I was so wrong, it creeps up on you. You will start to rationalize that you can taper, you have the self control to do it, but most likely you dont. Opiates have destroyed my life. I've lost my fiance, my house, my family, everything. You need to stop NOW. Don't taper, you don't need to. You haven't been using long enough to warrant a taper. THE withdrawls will be slightly uncomfortable and shitty, but worth it. Go out and get Naproxen, it's over the counter and use that. It will help with the cramps and such. Also pick up immodium for the shits. But you need to quit now, you will always say I will quit tomorrow, it will always be tomorrow. I said the same thing for 4 years. Now, take those two medicines and you will be fine, trust me. IF you wait until 3 months you will have full blown withdrawls. 5 weeks of use is still going to be a little shitty but not the hell you could be going through. Also, keep in mind a lot of it is mental!!! Try and keep yourself occupied and excersize. TRUST ME! Excersize nearly kicks all of the withdrawls for a bit and afterwards take a hot bath or if you can, hop into a hot tub.
Tl;Dr use immodium and naproxen. EXCERSIZE will save you!!!! Don't taper, just quit NOW.
Not OP here but I'm about to check myself into an inpatient rehab next week. It will be my 3rd time. 1st time was only a detox, failed miserably because I came back home to the same shit conditions, 2nd time almost worked but I had mad cravings because I cold turkey'd suboxone, and this time, they're gonna taper me. Haven't had a real opiate craving in forever it seems but I'm about to die from sporadic benzo use. Its not daily, but I can never just take -one- pill, or one milligram of that legal shit. I always, always, make an order and accidentally a whole vial of flam, or a whole script of bars. I need a change of habit and am willing to do what it takes.
>>709707928
Then they will be like us, sucking down a fifth of vodka, 4mg of xanax, phenibut, and whatever gets us thru thru the day.
If they had a job they wouldn't ask for advice here. As you said before, real addicts don't fear their addiction. They do everything they can to carry on. Let's help the naive children from following our path.
>>709695967
Yo niggah what you axing me?
>>709708286
lol no. When I'm in WD's I beat it like a retarded monkey all day, even when I'm sleeping in bed ( or rather, writhing in bed) I'll catch myself tugging on my junk.
It relieves anxiety.
Been on Methadone ten years. Took me that long just to be stable after an IV addiction. Your not going anywhere. There is no life after opiates. You will always crave it, but if you want to get off it, now is not the time. I know you won't hear me. But it's been ten years since my last shot. And I'm just now thinking about going off of the juice because I've been stable for this long. Have a kid. My life has turned around. Be safe out there. 9 out of ten don't even make it to the cage to cash out so to speak.
>>709707972
>shady eighties
>mfw I didn't even know these were a thing
When I was an addict I got many of these fake ass pills like in the bottom of OP pic. I just threw them out?! I didn't even think they were real opiates, lol. I got them like 5 times total and flew off the handle on the guy who sold them to me each time, thinking they're fake, kek.
>>709708515
additionally, I'll beat it so much that nothing comes out. Feels bad/good man.
>>709708394
Good luck bro from one benzo addict to another.
>>709708368
He needs cold turkey. It's five weeks man.
>>709695967
Ibogaine you fucking amateurs. Shit saved my life.
>>709695967
get off that shit man. Just go as long as you need to to get off of it.
>>709708562
This guy knows his shit. Good luck and Godspeed.
>>709708615
Yeah fake 80s don't gell up when you get them wet.
To test you can bite off a small piece, they're hard but not so hard you can't slowing bite a bit off.
Suck on it a second...take it out and touch it.
It should make lots of sticky strings between your fingers.
If its real and gels, snip it into a shitload of small pieces with your front teeth or scissors and swallow.
>>709695967
It's going to be pretty hard to get your life back in order OP. I wish you the best of luck.
>>709708849
>>709708562
Five. Fucking. Weeks.
Cold turkey.
The opiate game truly is shit tier in this day and age. Shitty heroin cut with fentanyl, pressed oxycodone pills, overpriced oxycodone pills, equally overpriced real oxycodone pills, shitty fent analogs, shitty synthetic opioids, overpriced hydrocodone, the list goes on. I feel like the heyday for opioids was the early 2000s when there was relatively cheap oxycodone. I guarantee that oxycodone will go the way of the quaalude in the next twenty years or so.
>>709699771
smoke lots of weed
>>709709000
>he didn't buy pods
Nigga pls. Those and real oxy were the hayday.
>>709709078
If thats your thing go for it. Can't even touch pot no more.
>>709708981
I'll fucking FIGHT you, nigger. He ain't gonna cold turkey nothing, or he would've by now. Stop giving him that much credit.
>>709709154
I'll lock OP in my basement rape dungeon for five days and he'll be fine. Aleve/benadryl or dramamine/immodium.
And while he's down there we can shoot up together.
>>709709145
I'm ex IV addict and I dab bro, love it.
>>709709312
That's what he needs cuz it won't happen otherwise. The only thing that's gonna shoot up is my dick into your ass.
>>709709363
I smoked 24/7 for ten years. Then one day I just decided I didn't like it. Weird, but quitting cigarettes was worse. Wish I could still smoke since it's legal, but I just don't like it. But yeah for someone in WDs pot can help. Forgot that.
it might be fenthonol
>>709709598
Just up and quit eh? My ex did that too, weird. Something just clicks in your brain I guess.
>>709709517
He's a naive kid, he just needs to not have supply for a week and he'll be fine.
You tho, I feel we could have some fun times together. Butt-Rape rehap could be a big success.
>>709708368
Why in god's name would you take that caustic u-4 shit? I swear, some genius chemist needs to figure out a practical/no thebaine bulk synthesis for oxycodone so people will quit with shitty synthetic opioids.
>>709708788
this
Look into kratom. I'm a 5 year "addict" that can go weeks without major issues, just the shits for about 2 days. Otherwise I'm a daily user. When my supply runs out, I just deal with it until I get more (I don't pay for them). Kratom helps immensely and will become a much healthier habit. It's related to coffee and it's habit forming properties are no worse than coffee.
>>709709747
Yeah, it was weird but just one day I decided I didn't like it, and I just gave away my zips and paraphernalia to friends. And oddly I felt nothing. Smoked a few times since then and it was no fun unless fucking.
Truly why I believe pot is not addictive, just habit forming.
>>709695967
If you're in Canada why don't you use that socialist health care system to get free treatment?
Sad, really.
Boil unwashed poppy seeds, drain fluid, mix with lemon juice, let sit.
This stuff will get you high, and is a very good method of tapering off and switching to something safer.
>>709710074
Edit: phytoextractum.com is a decent site, but I order from herbaldom.com when they have stock as they're cheaper. Forgot to mention, kratom is legal as well so it's dirt cheap if you buy in bulk and capsule them yourself
>>709710285
You have to be careful with this shit though, the amount of morphine can vary substantially.
>>709710285
I've never used drugs. Is this a safe way to start?
>>709710462
>>709710285
>drinking seed tea
Just buy pods.
>>709710489
Jesus fucking christ no. Stick to pharmaceuticals with a dose you know.
those fent pills suck dick. i can always tell if they are fent because there is pretty much zero euphoria compared to legit oxy. its a damn shame how heavily they are flooding the streets. only a matter of time before legit oxy becomes even harder to get
>>709710643
Mark my words, it's going the way of the quaalude soon.
>>709710489
Yeah. Its easy to make and legal, from what I understand. Even if its not, Just order from online. Start out low though. You dont know the quality of the seeds, thus how powerful it will be. Drink half a glass, then wait half an hour.
>>709710584
I prefer seeds, tbh. More discrete.
>>709710152
what a faggot
>>709710489
I wouldn't do it man, it's shitty because you don't know the dosage.
>>709711279
horseshit. how old are you? do remember the ebay days?
>>709708394
Good luck brother, benzos wd is far worse than any opiate wd. It's going to suck, it's going to be the toughest thing you'll ever do. Oddly enough, the acute withdrawal is the easy part....post acute wd is the tough part
>>709711279
and if you can get decorative flowers please tell me where.
>>709711662
are you sober now or just berating the weak opiate addicts?
>>709711768
Like I said, buy the unwashed seeds wholesale. You can plant them, but its easier and MUCH safer to just buy seeds and use them
fucking weak minded retards. using drugs to taper off of other drugs, trying to attain a baseline that was present before you FUCKING STARTED USING THE INITIAL DRUG.
>kys no taper needed
Just quit while youre a head bro... I plan to kill myself tomorrow and heroin is the reason... Or rather the selfish scumbag heroin hasturned me into... Ive lost everything cause i cant leave this dumb shit alone... And what youre doing now is no better or different than dope... The path youre on only leads to death and destruction... I have lost everyone and everything.
>>709699321
You should just kill yourself and stop wasting anyone's time. You're not worth any of it. Go OD off some stupid fake ass bullshit and be better off
brother, 5 weeks is nothing. you can taper easily, but i'd strongly urge you to not keep taking these things that you have no idea what's in them-- even though they've been seemingly consistent, you have no idea what the next pill could contain, and it could very well be your last. i live in delray beach and just lost 2 friends THIS WEEK to fentanyl. this is no joke. get a couple strips of suboxone, or a couple ounces of kratom, and get the fuck off those. now.
good luck.
>>709696539
emt student here
i feel like i'll be hitting you with narcan sometime soon
