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It's not called an electoral COLLEGE because anyone there would be uneducated enough to vote for this piece of shit

>inb4 retards thinking CTR is real

Go back to your little conspiracy theories. The FBI is performing a routine review on additional emails to see where they were stolen from and take action against hackers, not to indict Her.
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there is more than one definition for the word college you dumb shit
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>>709653940
It's not called an electoral COLLEGE because anyone there would be uneducated enough to vote for this piece of shit

KEK, true
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>>709653940
oh yeah, fuck your corrupt harpy queen and her pay-to-play politics
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>>709654200

> wikileaks

Here we go again.

Wikileaks became a tool of the Russians when they attempted to get Trump elected, thus ending any credibility or legitimacy they once had. Not to mention, they are run by a fugitive rapist.

This newest FBI probe will uncover more about Hillary's opponents connection to Russian hackers. Trump and anyone reposting stolen emails and Russian propaganda designed to de-legitimize our election should be the ones very, very afraid of ending up in prison.
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>>709654304

> more wikileaks
> more stolen emails and Russian propaganda

Pathetic.
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>>709653940
the rage, the tears. so sweet. so delicious.
CTR is real kid. the FEC evens says so.
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>>709654302
sure kid. you sure you want to do this?
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>>709654302
>blah blah russians blah

stop covering up for your lying corrupt career politician
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CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES AND CORRUPTION AND LIES
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>>709653940
Truth.

They are legally able to choose any candidate that they want to, regardless of how their state voted.

Also, Bill Clinton is an elector for the EC.
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>>709654675
sure kid. dumb fuck millennial.
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Finaly!
Trump will win!
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>>709654505

The Clinton Foundation is made up of 11 non-profit groups that work on four major issues: global health and wellness, climate change, economic development and improving opportunities for girls and women. The Clinton Foundation was a leading provider of aid after the earthquake in Haiti, for instance, taking in millions for this purpose.

The fact those allies your listed have donated so much money to the charity seems to undermine your own arguments about them being human rights abusers (because brown people and arabic names are scary), right? Get your fucking story straight, kid.
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>>709653940
What's it like up there
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>>709654878

Don't bother pointing out facts to trump tards.
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>>709653940

Correct the record is real. Hillary's superpac acknowledges that the paid money to "correct false information"

Needless to say, they decide what is true and what isnt
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>>709654302
Seriously how much do you faggots get paid seriously.
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>>709654675
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>>709655073

>Needless to say, they decide what is true and what isn't

So cute, trump supporter has no facts, then decides that facts don't truly exist.
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>>709653940
>CTR isn't real.
http://correctrecord.org
>Their front page claims Trump and Putin Bromance.

Kek'd
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>>709654381
>Hillary didn't do the bad thing
>the Russians
>shilling this hard

Kys
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>>709653940
Your going to have a million people saying, Muh rights. Muh freedoms. This is America, you idyit. It's a big dog and pony show. By the time it's over, who actually knows who voted for what? Do you see every ballot? Do you know for a fact that it's not a system built on influence? That lobbies have made it a corporate structure period? Muh freedoms.
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>>709654675
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>>709653940
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>>709655034
You mean lies actually
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Relax Ben Fish Bein, it'll all be over soon. You tried and failed, and are now exposed.
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>>709653940
How does it feel knowing your personal satan will be your Commander and Chief?
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Campain Manager RobbyMook deleted today
his Twitterfeed.

https://twitter.com/RobbyMook

Shit gets real.
Thanks Fbi.
https://twitter.com/RobbyMook
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>>709653940
>>709654174
>>709654302

Lowest quality of bait. Honestly can't believe people are biting
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>>709655034
>facts
Sure thing.

Haiti still wants their foreign aid.
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>>709653940
>>inb4 retards thinking CTR is real

SHHH. No one show him the Podesta emails with routine, weekly Correct the Record updates.

lol
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>>709654174
>1 shekel has been deposited into your account
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AGkTUzSFwg
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>>709654302
are you going to back that up or...?
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>>709654302
>>709655109
Honestly wouldn't doubt if he was payed to come do this shit.
>>709655183
>correctrecord.org
>biased stories on exclusively Trump
>1999 web design
kek'd
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>>709655579
Starts around 26 minutes *
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>>709655579

> muh right wing blogs
> muh 8 hour video

Your mom didn't have time to watch that shit and neither do we.
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You dont need to be a statistician to figure out that 5-10% lead in a non-representative poll of a few thousand people is WELL WITHIN the margin of error, to understand that you just need to not be completely retarded mate.

the media and all the polling services are PRESSURED by competition to color in states as soon as possible so that they seem to have an actual insight. The whole thing its a toss up noobs.
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>>709655669
They're going to announce that they've found nothing new.
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>>709655717
Are you fucking retarded? It's the same video on:

https://oversight.house.gov/hearing/oversight-state-department/
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>>709654878
right. that's why hillary conveniently "forgot" to declare all these millions of "donations", concealing them from government oversight and advising her IT staff to destroy evidence and ignore congressional subpoenas. MORE CORRUPTION AND LIES
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>>709655125

Www.correctrecord.org

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/correct-the-record/
There's infinite sources

Now show me where they deny hill-dawg or her superpac have anything to do with it
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>>709655728

Trump has already lost, deal with it. Or cry and fantasize about guns. Your choice
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>>709655747
Wrong.
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>>709653940
Hillary's done, faggot. FBI started a new investigation on her yesterday based on the wikileaks dump from Wednesday that basically admitted to breaking the law. They're not going to get it wrong twice lol. RIP HRC.
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>>709654302
>wikileaks great
>wikileaks expose Clinton
>wikileaks is Russians
>wikileaks bad

Muh madame president
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>>709655869
>Trump has already lost

So... you're admitting the election is rigged, then?
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>>709653940
Go drink some bleach you cuck faggot
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>>709655717
>right wing blog
are you dumb
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>>709653940
>ITT one CTR shill using a bunch of VMs to samefag
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>>709655717
This is why you're fucking retarded. You watch 5 minutes of CNN and think Russia is targeting the U.S.

http://trueviralnews.com/in-the-democratic-echo-chamber-inconvenient-truths-are-recast-as-putin-plots/

Read an article knuckle-dragger
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Cant wait to see all of orange jesus's fucktards cry sweet delicious tears when Barack Obama pre-emptively pardons HRC before leaving office, further neutering the republican congress who wants her charged just for being a woman in power.
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>>709656085
>just for being a woman in power

Someone call the yard wrangler. We got a live one.
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>>709656085
kek, she would need to be charged for a crime first.
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The best part about Hillary is people hated her in the 90s as First Lady too. For entirely different reasons, she's just completely unlikable. She was a cunt then, she's a cunt now.
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Hillary Clinton claims that she's "fighting the sexist wage gap" for all the women suffering from oppression in America. The funniest part is that her supporters actually believe her! Lol!

Nowhere does the "sexist war on women" exist as blatantly as the Clinton Foundation itself

At the charity organization headed by Hillary herself, the "average salary of the highest paid men is $294,157.50, while the avg salary of the highest paid women is $181,576.66 ($112K difference)"

The "median salary of the highest paid men is $346,106, while the median salary of the highest paid women is $185,386 ($190K difference).”

And you still think HRC gives 1 fuck about women's rights or equality when she is actively keeping the wage gap and the "war on women" alive? It's so obvious she's lying right to your face and you don't even care haha

Stop being fooled by "buzzwords" and "b-b-but Trump's a bully!" anons. You're smarter than that.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/18/clinton-campaign-found-huge-gender-pay-gap-at-clinton-foundation/#ixzz4Nkc1KXGY
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>>709653940
>>709653940
>>709653940
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>>709656269
>cunt

misogynist asshole!
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/28/politics/fbi-reviewing-new-emails-in-clinton-probe-director-tells-senate-judiciary-committee/index.html
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>>709654302
>not to mention, they are run by fugitive rapist

that's totally urrelevant in this case.
He would have sex in sole purpose of procreation and then you would consider WikiLeaks as totally dependable site?

>tools of Russians
that's no matter/ Even talibs or monkeys could release these informations and scandal still would be scandal.
Would it really be a difference with Nixon's Watergate if it would be discovered by Hugh Hefner in Playboy?
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>>709653940
In a few days, the FBI will conclude their investigation, stating that they received new emails from Wikileaks and found all of them to be fake.

I wish the courts would fast-track Trump's criminal case for raping a minor and civil suit for defrauding the students of Trump University so we could get those open questions answered before the election too.
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>>709656282
>right-wing lies & propaganda

>dailycaller
>credible

topKek
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>Correct the record isnt real
>Literally a ctr thread.
Nice try Hilary cucks. If the wikileaks emails are stolen that means they AREN'T fake. You can't steal something that never existed
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>>709654302

> The truth doesn't matter because...

Why should I care where the truth comes from, so long as it's the truth?
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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fbi-restarting-probe-into-hillary-clintons-emails-2016-10-28
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>>709656269
She's always been a shady, self-serving fuck. It was obvious when she was first lady but at least she didn't have any actual position. Now people are actually dumb enough to vote this shitstain into power when it's obvious that's she lies through her teeth any time she has something to say. Silent majority is about to kick her right in the ass and she can't just run to Michelle Obama to pull her ass out of the fire this time kek
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>>709653940
Looking at that at a glance, kinda similar to Bill. Of course the hair is the dead giveaway, but at a glance, not so much. Anyway, not reading a thread that belongs in /pol/, but just making a general observation that makes you angry, and I know that does upset you.
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>>709656502
Fucking this
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>>709655717
Baiting this hard..
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>>709656553
I feel like this is going to happen for sure. The people who don't go out and take part in the polls fucking HATE Hillary IMO.
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THIS IS THE REAL STATE OF THE ELECTION THUS FAR IGNORANT FAGGOTS, EVERY OTHER STATE IS A TOSS UP.....
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http://www.wsj.com/articles/fbi-is-reviewing-new-evidence-in-hillary-clinton-s-email-server-case-1477675549
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Don't mind me just taking a dump.
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>>709656460
nigger CNN covered the same story and had the same numbers. Is CNN not credible anymore either? You CTR shills are hillarious. A few weeks ago you actually TRIED to argue against facts, now you're just attacking the credibility of every source lol it's pathetic
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>>709656460
There is literally not a single source you shills accept. It truly shows the level of intelligence with you guys
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>>709654878

> If you give money to charity, even a fraudulent one, you cant' be a bad person
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>>709656523
You should care where it comes from because the source tells you how likely the information is to BE true. Information taken from a known anti-US, Russian-propaganda-distributing source should be taken with a grain of salt.
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>>709653940
>inb4 retards thinking CTR is real
I don't think you could say more of a CTR thing there "anon"
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/28/politics/fbi-reviewing-new-emails-in-clinton-probe-director-tells-senate-judiciary-committee/index.html
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>>709656715
>Damage Control
It's the only thing they can do. They're running out of options.
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Hello!

Would you like to help completely piss off some autist on /tv/?

Vote for "Dolorable" in this poll.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11513628/
........
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>>709653940
the NSA are the ones who leaked it you stupid fucking shill
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If you plan on voting for this hag, you are a traitor.
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>>709656581
I got you Anon!
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>>709656678
The only way they can get the polls to look like Hillary is winning is when they barely poll any republicans to begin with haha.

Last poll from CNN they only polled 29% republicans.

And the poll says Hillary's going win? Well no shit, 71% of the people you asked were fucking democrats

It's fucking hillarious and sad at the same time.
I can make a poll say "everybody wants to shove ice cream up their ass" if the only people I ask are into that
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>>709653940
I like how you capitalized "Her." Is "She" your God?
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Fuck Donald trump
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>>709655125
sure kid.
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>>709656848
If you plan on voting for this proven con artist and possible Russian spy, you are a traitor.
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>vote for Clinton or end up like these people
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>The FBI is performing a routine review on additional emails to see where they were stolen from and take action against hackers, not to indict Her.
Only because FBI is almost as corrupt as the Clintons.
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>>709656944
Has this been shot? Kek. Hate the guy who's fighting for second amendment rights? Are you ducking retarded?
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>>709657023

I will happily vote for a man who openly admitted to rape (he didn't, the "witnesses" were paid handsomely), than a candidate who has people who call her out on her bullshit assassinated.
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>>709656786

> Content consists of time stamped correspondence on a mail server with no extrapolation, whatsoever

> Vetted by the most preeminent anti secrecy group on the planet

> No denial from the accused on the topic of accuracy

If you don't believe in the authenticity of this, what on earth could you possibly believe in?
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Flint, Michigan needs your fresh tears.
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>>709657059
If the entire government is in on it, then the election is definitely rigged. You shouldn't bother voting for Trump. Just stay home.
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>>709653940
The US voting system is even more retarded than their measuring systems.
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>>709657023
nigger, McCarthy pulled the same "OHH NOOO THE RUSSIANS!" tactic in the 50s with the Red Scare

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare

Painting your political opponents out to be allies with Russia? It's not even an original strategy and you fucktards think we're dumb enough to fall for some shit that our grandparents weren't even dumb enough to fall for? This just proves Hillary doesn't have 1 original idea of her own, not 1.

kek
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>>709657023
>Muh Russians
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>>709657023
"possible russian spy" literally nothing suggests hes a russian spy. There isn't even anything connecting Putin to the leaks.
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>>709657230
>le body count may-may

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp
>FALSE
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>>709657319

1400: He is a heretic and witches faked this scandal

2016: He is a racist and Russians faked these emails
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>What's that?
>You have some information that might harm my (((campaign)))?
>Lol bye.
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>>709654381
It's not Russia propaganda when people have verified that many of these emails are genuine. Continue with your damage control tho fam.
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>>709657291
No one ever said that niggers were the smartest.
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>>709657412
>snopes
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Actual leaked CTR memo on tactics to use against Reddit and /pol/.
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>>709657559

Snopes is true because its snopes and it says its true
The bible is true because its the bible and the bible says its true
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>>709657234
>most preeminent anti secrecy group on the planet
That for some reason only targets the US and keeps information secret until a time when it will be most politically damaging to the US to release it.

If they actually cared about transparency, they would attack secrecy worldwide, not just in the US, and they would release information as soon as they receive it.

They clearly have an agenda and it's clearly anti-US.
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http://www.theamericanmirror.com/reporters-aboard-clinton-campaign-plane-in-dark-about-fbi/
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>>709653940
Obvious shill is obvious.
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>>709657319
>but it's cool to call Clinton a hag and a traitor
Your hypocrisy is showing, anon. Put that shit away. You're scaring the children.
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This is what happens when you snitch on your masters.
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They said her planes wifi was out
Liars
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>>709657389
Except US intelligence literally saying they know it came from Russia...
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>>709657445
Can you evem explain your own voting system?
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>>709657559
If you won't accept Snopes as a source, then there is nothing credible that you will accept. Stay deplorable, anon.
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>>709657873
I never called her a hag or a traitor, good job trying to pin some bullshit on me though. Keep flailing, she's done. :^)
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>>709657952
>Except US intelligence told us there was WMD's

Going to need more than that, Anon.
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>>709657603
>actual leaked memo
>totes not a /pol/ shoop at all
Seems legit...
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>>709657952

You mean Obama is having the executive branch rubber stamp Clinton campaign talking points to turn them into facts?
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>Hillary is corrupt to the core and bangs on about instigating (nuclear) war with Russia

>Trump said mean things and other people say he's a monster but nothing has ever been proven in a court of law

Why do some people say Trump is worse? Those idiots are voting for their own slaughter
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What's that?

Russia Is the biggest threat to America and the West?

But remember that time when they couldn't stop some crackhead in a Cessna 172 from flying past the Soviet SAM arrays and landing right in fucking Red Square?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust
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>>709658059

people vote how they like, smart people give vote to most competent leader, we get best leader !
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>>709657722

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_material_published_by_WikiLeaks

> Only targets the US

Except no? Also, Is it really a surprise that the State with the highest volumes of international affairs would have the most leaks? It's not reasonable to expect the same number of violations from countries like Ethiopia...
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>>709657952
Cite a government source that confirms that it was proven that Russia was involved with the hacking.
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Another investigation ahh get used to it if shes elected
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>>709658196

If someone could find this in English that would be nice.
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>>709658082
So you replied to a post without reading the post that it was replying to? Way to jump into a conversation and make yourself look like an idiot, anon.
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>>709657873
>http://www.theamericanmirror.com/reporters-aboard-clinton-campaign-plane-in-dark-about-fbi/
This comment makes 0 sense
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>>709658173
See: >>709657294
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>>709654302
>muh russia

you hillary shills will soak up any pathetic excuse she feeds you.

she's antagonised russia to the point that their preparing for nuclear war.

and still you boast that trump has a worse temperament
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>>709657952
>They said her planes wifi was out
Oh right so therefore it MUST be Putin. No the IP of the hacker came from russia. There have been multiple independent hackers "Guccifer" that hacked the DNC and hillary outside of Putins influence. Just saying the hacker was from Russia (not even proven as IP's can be rerouted) is not evidence this is the Russian Governments doing.
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>>709658242
>tfw your own source proves you wrong
Look at the past 7 years, it's almost all anti-US. And nice job dodging the point about Wikileaks sitting on information until it's most politically damaging to the US to release it.
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>>709657873

but she is a traitor

she is directly responsible for the creation of ISIS

>hey guys, lets arm Islamic extremists in Libya that fucking hate America to the core to topple some fatass dictator we don't like
>what could possibly go wrong?
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>>709658247
FBI:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/top-russian-officials-shift-away-from-denying-dnc-hack-1476295233
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>>709657294
>You shouldn't bother voting for Trump. Just stay home.

This!

You shouldn't bother voting for Trump. Just stay home.

You shouldn't bother voting for Trump. Just stay home.

Also, you don't want to be arrested after Hillary is inaugurated. Which is exactly what is going to happen to a great majority of the Trump supporters. They are directly endangering national security, acting as conduits of espionage and committing domestic terrorism.

Don't be on the wrong side of this. It's not going to go well for you if you do.
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>>709658324
I didn't say that either. Keep putting words in my mouth it for sure doesn't make you look like more of a retard every time you do it. You're winning, look at the poooollllsss
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Kill the messenger
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>>709658681

> Let me release this information at a time when it will receive the most coverage possible

Wow, what a conspiracy.

> Almost all anti-US
What is a ratio of non-US to US stories that is indicative of un-biased behavior? Oh, you have no such number? You just 'feel' that it's a conspiracy? You're no better than CTR
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>>709653940
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>>709658605
>hurr IP isn't proof
No shit, faggot. Do you honestly think that US intelligence simply traced the IP and called it a day?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/top-russian-officials-shift-away-from-denying-dnc-hack-1476295233
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>>709653940
So you make minimum waging shilling for ctr, nigger or is the pay really good enough to cut off your dick and shove it up your ass in the name of Shillary?
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>>709659055

That baby was promptly swallowed whole after that photo was taken.
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>>709658775
>hurr it's all Obummer's fault
>what you mean GW is responsible for invading Iraq and creating the power vacuum that lead to all of this?
>whatever, fuck Obummer and Clinton!
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>>709658681
The wikileaks dumps are only "damaging" to HRC, not the US as a whole. You're acting like it's a big bad scheme to give the voters legit information so they can make an informed decision instead of letting some psychopathic woman ramble on and lie about shit every day. Get real. It's not damaging anyone but Hillary and the media who keep trying to launch campaigns every day to cover up the leaks. If he released them last year, all at once, it would've been forgotten already because media would've buried it like they've been trying to do for weeks now. The fact that they're releasing the leaks in a slow drip and making it obvious that the media is having a shit-fit to do damage control has only exposed just how corrupt major media is in America along with Hillary.

Keep crying though.
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>>709653940
CTR is real
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>>709658961
>buying the "more coverage" argument
Way to drink the kool aid, anon
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>>709659340
>wikileaks
>damaging

kek, pick only 1. no one believes them anymore.
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>>709659420

> Not arguing the point

Ok, I guess I win.

Also, I take it that you believe the release of the BIlly Bush tapes is also an international conspiracy? It was released at the most damaging time possible, despite being available for many years, so I guess it must be a Hydra plot.
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>>709659217
They're all the same you fucking mongoloid. Clintons, Bushes, all of them, they feign rivalry to the public yet behind closed doors these politicians are raking in the cash with little thought of the American people. It's the system that's screwed up. The candidates are only a symptom
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>>709659340
>give the voters legit information
If that was the goal, they would release the information as soon as they got it.

>it would've been forgotten already
That's a problem with your average voter and is not a valid reason to withhold information. Again, if their stated goal were truly "transparency," they wouldn't keep it secret for any amount of time.

>corrupt major media
Thinking ALL media is controlled by the DNC is tinfoil-tier retarded. Plenty of right-biased media outlets would continue to parade this info around right up to election day.
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>>709659458
CTR trying to discredit wikileaks just like every news source that puts out damning information against HRC. No one's buying your dumbass shilling anymore and THAT'S what scares you. :^)
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>>709659681
>international conspiracy
I like how you jump straight to international conspiracy. That one was obviously a strategic leak by the DNC.
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>>709658232
>people vote how they like, half if all votes are trashed or compiled to the opponent
>we is too dumb to change to a proportional representation system
FTFY
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>>709660017
How does being legit information and the timing of release relate to each other at all? If I released a memo that said "the sky's blue guys" the day before the election it would be inaccurate?

Just because he knows how people think and the barrage of media cover-up that would occur then uses that to his advantage doesn't make it any less valid.

I didn't say ALL media was controlled by DNC.

Your CTR tactic at this point is to basically say "not a valid source!" or paint everyone who disagrees with "tinfoil hat guy!" It's fucking sad and painfully obvious. Come back when you've got an actual rebuttal, dipshit.
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>>709660138

So if you think Assange should be discredited for releasing information at strategic times, and you also acknowledge that the DNC engages in similar behavior, should the DNC be discredited as biased and untrustworthy?
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>>709660256
>How does being legit information and the timing of release relate to each other at all?
Seriously? It gives less time for the info to be vetted, obviously. Come on anon, use your brain.
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>>709660138
Russia took point on this whole thing, therefore making it international.
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>>709660410
Everyone knows the DNC is biased. They want the Democratic candidate to win, obviously. They don't try to hide that fact.

Wikileaks, on the other hand, tries to play the unbiased transparency advocate, while increasingly showing an anti-US bias.
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>>709660538
You think Russia took point on releasing the "grab her by the pussy" tape? No.

I like how you guys keep calling them the Billy Bush tapes, trying to distance Trump from it.

Nimble America please leave.
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>>709657310
>muh metric system

we have been doing just fine with out the metric system for hundreds of years.
Were not going to spend good money redoing all our signs and rulers, re-teaching our students something that doesn't even matter because some french faggot made a system easier for retards to understand.
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>>709660847
>can't read the post before replying
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>>709660681

> You admit DNC is biased and untrustworthy

> The only reason the authenticity of Wikileaks is being questioned is because the Presidential Nominee of the Dem Party cried foul

> Literally no one talking the accuracy of leaked documents 2 secs before it was a problem for a major political candidate

Why are you taking the Democratic Parties concerns as legitimate? You cite an increasingly anti-US bias. What constitutes anti-US bias and what evidence do you have that Wikileaks conforms to that description? Is it not plausible that the worlds largest military industrial complex and largest campaign finance aberration would also have the most information worth leaking?
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>>709658794
"FBI Suspects"
You can't be this stupid can you?
>Suspects
>Confirms
Pick one
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>>709661097
You obviously didn't read the chain of replies. Get fucked.
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>>709659057
>http://www.wsj.com/articles/top-russian-officials-shift-away-from-denying-dnc-hack-1476295233
see>>709661297
you fucking retard
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>>709661097
>thinks that the Russians weren't behind the wikileaks
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>>709661258
>What constitutes anti-US bias and what evidence do you have that Wikileaks conforms to that description?
Read the thread, nigger.
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>>709660475
They have only been leaking info for the past 2 months but I guess thats "not enough time"
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>>709661456
>Not believing conspiracy theories means you wear a tinfoil hat

You disagree with me therefore you wear funny hats
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>>709657310
Than why is it that euro voting systems are less representative of the population than the U.S voting system?
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>>709661297
>>709661398
I'm sure it was just a coincidence that the FBI accused Russia and then Russia stopped denying it.

>U.S. officials have accused Russia of stealing the emails and then using at least three entities, including WikiLeaks, to publish them on close to 50 separate occasions.
They wouldn't throw out an accusation if it wasn't confirmed, dumbass.
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>>709661579
> You disagree with me therefore you wear funny hats

It worked for christians, so why not the Hillary cult . Look at the OP they even capitalize her name.
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>>709661487

Been here since the start; Nothing specific has been said. I haven't heard a ratio of non-US to US based leaks you think is fair. I haven't heard an example of leak that was released only to be proved false. I haven't heard an explanation of why Assange would expend the entirety of his professional career and hole himself up in an embassy for years for the cause of public disclosure only to shill for the Russian government and Donald fucking Trump.

Thanks for the ad-hominem though
> I guess I win again
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>>709661570
You're missing the point. Why would Wikileaks hold onto the info for any amount of time? All the while saying, "Hey guys we have shit on Clinton that will totally make her look eviiiiil, but we're not gonna show it yet, just wait."
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Blame the russians for her corruption
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>>709661928
Russian hacks and actual Americans using the illegally hacked information is the real story here.
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>>709661888
>Reading is hard
See: >>709658681
Dumbass.
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>>709661888

> Inb4 'hes hiding from sexy assault charges'
> There are easier ways to do that
> Like being the President of the United States
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>>709661662
Is it also a coincidence that the FBI was feeding Hillarys camp information on the investigation they planned to open on her?
Also, Russia stopped denying means they HAVE denied it.
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Believe me, Assange has just as much dirt on Trump and the RNC, but has chosen not to release it at this point in time. This is because he has a personal beef with HRC.

If the dumb fuck Trump supporters would just grasp this simple little fact, then they would realize that the Russian hacking is the real story here.
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>>709661924
Because it is still a business. They plan on leaking this stuff of to maintain the most exposure. If you dump all emails at once, everyone will just ignore a large portion of the email and the point will be lost in the email inundation. These leaks have been going on for a while, but it makes sense he would build anticipation.
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>>709662045
>>709658681

> Look at the past 7 years
I see them

> it's almost all anti-US
What is almost all? What is a specific ratio of leaks you consider fair, and over what period of time is that applicable? You are not specific. You do not have quantitative reasons for what you believe. Your *feelings* aren't worth shit to me or anyone else you're trying to convince.

> Another ad-hominem
Dude I've only got two arms, please stop giving free wins
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>>709657310
The orange also shows countries that have been to the moon
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>>709662019
HAHAHAAHAHAH yea totally THATS the issue. Someone who isn't our ally hacked us (assuming it is even true) while we hack everyone in the world constantly even our friends. Just pay no attention to what they found however!
>Shilling this hard.
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>>709662181
The FBI spoke with the person they were investigating?! No way! CONSPIRACY!!!
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>>709662324
Believe me, Im some rando on the internet with nothing backing this statement up!
>Sure buddy we believe you
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>>709662359
>it is still a business
Oh so now you're saying they want to make a profit off the leaks. And you think that's a better argument? Yeah they sound so much less biased now...
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>>709662324
studies have shown that trump supporters are mostly under-educated or uneducated white men. that translates to difficulty in understanding even the most basic principles.
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>Choosing a side when this shit is already predetermined and your vote is an illusion of power put forth to make sure you don't revolt.

Go to fucking >>>/pol/ you partisan cancer

Btw, trump is a plant and the greatest troll to ever live. Destabilized the fuck out of the GOP and assured another dem victory. Any retard can see this shit from a mile away.

You must divide the populous in order to conquer it my young OP
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>>709662486
This anon knows what is up
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>>709662556
Reading is hard huh?
"feeding Hillarys camp information on the investigation they planned to open on her"
They told her what they were going to do before they did it. Not quite the same thing as saying were are investigating you for this. I wouldn't expect a low-iq troglodyte like yourself to understand that
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>>709662651

Do you discount anything every major Media outlet has ever said? Literally all of them maximize profit at the expense of honest and complete reporting, with the possible exception of NPR.
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>>709662723
wew lad
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>>709662651
Not understanding that if Juilian Assange just dropped leaks out of no-where it would fall on deaf ears.
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>>709654302
Can we all imagine for a minute if this wasnt bait? Lol. Just imagine
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>>709662486
>implying that the lunar landings didn't take place on a hollywood sound stage.
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>>709653940
>routine review
There is nothing routine about it.
The FBI does not routinely investigate the same person over and over.
Shillary Clinton is going down and you cucks are in full damage control right now.
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>>709662723
>You must divide the populous in order to conquer it my young OP
Divide, Distract, Deceive, Disarm. 4 D's of 1st world leadership. They teach this in special colleges.
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>>709654304
this was also approved by 5 separate departments aside from state, so.... were they all "bribed"?
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>>709662795
>tinfoil hat bullshit
Who gives a shit whether they spoke with her campaign? It didn't stop them from performing a full and thorough investigation. Law enforcement speaks with suspects about investigations, that's just common courtesy.
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>>709659676
>Ramadan Mubarak
>Mubarak
>Muh Barak
>My Barack
>My Barack Obama
Oh shit
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>>709662723
>your vote is an illusion of power put forth to make sure you don't revolt.

I kind of believe this.. but then again you do have TWO whole options to choose from anon. That's a lot.

>Any retard can see this shit from a mile away.
The world consists of 99% retards, that's why their so easy to distract and manipulate.

>Btw, trump is a plant and the greatest troll to ever live.
I just wonder if he even knows this or not. If so, the man deserves a fucking oscar
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>>709663216
>were they all "bribed"?

bribed... maybe, threatened.... maybe, ordered... maybe.
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>>709662818
For the most part, yes. Very few of them are able to put their bias aside and stick to honest reporting of the facts. Yes, NPR is good. BBC is also good at this.
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>>709663336
>then again you do have TWO whole options to choose from anon. That's a lot.

kek
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>>709662929
That's a problem with a complacent and stupid voting majority. It is NOT a valid reason for an organization that claims to be an advocate of transparency to maintain a database of secret information.
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>>709662393
90% of the leaks over the past 7 years have been anti-US. And the leaks have been timed to do the most damage to the US possible. If you don't see a problem with that, you're hopeless.
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>>709663302
>Obama
>Bama
>Bambam
>Bambalam
>Whoa-oh black betty
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>>709663742
Yes focus on this, and forget about the content within those leaks.
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>>709663301
Full and through must mean, strange and unprecedented huh?
"Full" Didn't even read every email turned over to them.
TOP KEK You Shills really have no intellect or shame huh?
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So. Honest question, why has Hillary Clinton not been arrested? She committed a crime, the director of the FBI confirmed that and she has lied on nation television saying that there were no classified emails, when, in fact, there were. I don't like Clinton or Trump, I believe they are equally terrible candidates. Clinton is a flip flop, and Trump does not have sufficient knowledge on foreign affairs. I am still mystified why she has not been arrested or any charges brought against her.
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>>709662723
You must divide the populous in order to conquer it my young OP

black vs cops
feminist vs men
democrats vs republicans
liberals vs conservatives
murica vs islam
safety vs fear
privacy vs security


Doesn't divide and conquer date back to ancient greece or something? I'm actually somewhat fascinated at how our leaders use propaganda and media outlets to control us. It's really interesting, glad someone else sees it.
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>>709663555
No thats human nature.....
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>>709663439

Well, that's understandable. But if the litmus test for impartiality is a definitive segment on Morning Edition, then there's really no fuel to suggest much of anything on the subject of Wikileaks authenticity and fairness. To my knowledge, neither NPR or the BBC has taken a definitive stance on conspiracies surrounding Assange.
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>>709663934
>claiming the FBI didn't read all of the emails
This is fucking retarded.
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>>709663942
And this my friend is the right question
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>>709663963
Actually the divisions are happening due to right-wing racism and bigotry. You can link this to every one of your vs.
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>>709663843
Exactly. Wikileaks and their puppet masters want you to focus on the information contained in the "leaks" before taking the time verify it. I'm sure they loved it when Trump pulled one of the emails from the same propaganda machine and read it to a large audience the day he got it, an email that was later revealed to be 100% fake.
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>>709664164
Racism is an interesting topic to me. I don't understand why people believe everyone is equal, they are not. Not everyone is equal, some people are retards, some are geniuses. Some people are natural athletes, some are not. Equality is meant to be used and applied to the law, not life.
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>>709663742

> 90% means biased
Why? What percentage is unbiased? Is 89% biased? 88%?

Moreover, 100% of stories on child solders produced by Western Media are biased against people like Kony. Simply having a recurring, negative opinion or a recurring, negative thing doesn't mean bias.

> And the leaks have been timed to do the most damage to the US possible

How is damaging the reputation of a political candidate damaging to the US? Is it not true that the time in which a thing would be 'most damaging' is also the time when a thing would see the most coverage? Does Wikileaks not have a reasonable incentive to see that it's works gets coverage?
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>>709664307
source?
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>>709663963
"Make them look left and right, never up."
>>709664164
It's much deeper than that. Actually, most right wing people aren't racist and aren't rich. They are manipulated by media outlets like 709663963 was talking about. Propaganda is as effective now, as it has been in the past. Same with division.
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All these retards replying to the troll thread. Can't tell who's trolling, who's getting paid for this, and who's legitimately stupid enough to vote for Hillary.
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>>709664106
Comey himself admitted it you fucking moron.
Seriously you shills are getting dumber and dumber by the day.

This is your typical Hillary supporter folks! Uniformed and CONFIDENT!!!!


>"The lawyers doing the sorting for Secretary Clinton in 2014 did not individually read the content of all of her e-mails. Instead, they relied on header information and they used search terms to try to find all work-related e-mails among the reportedly more than 60,000 that were remaining on her system at the end of 2014."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC1Mc6-RDyQ
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>>709664307

> The HRC Campaign does not dispute the authenticity of the Wikileaks releases

They're just hoping that Americans innate fear of Russians, broadly construed is greater than their fear of corrupt domestic politicians, broadly construed. No one on the record is saying they are inaccurate.
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>>709664164
Simplifying social issues to one source is extremely lazy. Not saying they don't contribute, but the extreme left are just as worse.
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>>709663942
No response yet?
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>>709664574
>muh numbers
Again, if you don't see the problem with the fact that Wikileaks is 90% focused on anti-US leaks, you're hopeless.

>How is damaging the reputation of a political candidate damaging to the US?
Their goal is to sow fear and doubt in US democracy. Focusing on a single candidate also clearly reveals their biased intentions.
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>>709664607
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-appears-to-have-read-an-email-doctored-by-russian-media-2016-10
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>>709663843
Exactly. Focusing on the content is completely missing the bigger picture. These emails can't even be confirmed for fuck sake. This is all part of a propaganda dump against the US, not specifically against Hillary.

The US populace is too busy fighting though to even notice this. They have just as much stuff against the other side too, but have not chosen to release it.

The underlying issue is this. The Russians stole this information from US citizens personal email accounts, and gave it to Assange, with the sole intent of making the US as a whole look bad.

This is a Russian psy-op against the US. Trump people need to stop worrying about what's in those leaks and rather what the motives behind them are.
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>>709663216
assuming the weapons deals were totally kosher, then why were the donations concealed from oversight? why publicly accept a small donation, but then accept many millions more in donations from the same source, and "forget" to declare those? why instruct your IT staff to delete email records and keep the email server in the basement of your home? why instruct your staff to ignore congressional subpoenas?

with crooked hillary, the only law that matters is "possession is nine-tenths of the law". that's why all Her emails are going through the basement email server and not the state department. this was NOT an accident, it was intentional to avoid oversight. just delete the evidence, hand out immunity deals, and ignore subpoenas.

hillary's number one priority has always been to fill up the bank accounts for her family's foundation. her position at the state department, and god forbid - the presidency, always is and will be a method to achieve those ends.

FUCK hillary and her family's foundation.


Foreign government / Amount donated to Clinton Foundation

Federal Republic of Germany
$100,000 to $250,000
Embassy of Algeria
$250,000 to $500,000
Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development Canada
$250,000 to $500,000
Taiwan Economic and Cultural Office
$500,000 to $1,000,000
State of Qatar
$1,000,000 to $5,000,000
Government of Brunei Darussalam
$1,000,000 to $5,000,000
Sultanate of Oman
$1,000,000 to $5,000,000
United Arab Emirates
$1,000,000 to $5,000,000
UK Department for International Development
$1,000,000 to $5,000,000
Commonwealth of Australia
$5,000,000 to $10,000,000
Government of the Netherlands
$5,000,000 to $10,000,000
State of Kuwait
$5,000,000 to $10,000,000
Australian Agency for International Development
$10,000,000 to $25,000,000
Government of Norway
$10,000,000 to $25,000,000
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
$10,000,000 to $25,000,000
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>>709664761
This is talking about Clinton's own lawyers as they were sorting the emails, not FBI agents, you absolute retard.
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i don't really care if trump is horny, dumb, racist, sexist or all of the above

none of those things is worse than a corrupt career politician lying and pulling strings, collecting MILLIONS in "donations" from foreign countries in return for US govt access and favors. her crooked underlings all got instant immunity deals from the FBI, ignored oversight committee subpoenas and withheld evidence. hillary's number one priority has always been to fill up the bank accounts for her family's foundation. her position is simply a method to achieve those ends.

FUCK hillary and her family's foundation.
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>>709664889
>No one on the record is saying they are inaccurate.
They're also not saying they're accurate. It takes time to verify this much information. Yet people are taking these leaks as absolute fact the moment they're released. It's absurd.
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>>709664945

> If you don't see it, you're hopless
Not an argument. You're 90% figure is indefensible. You make up personal standards of conspiracy to fit your own narrative and then simply claim that 'It must be true'. Sorry, you don't seem to have reasons for what you believe.

> Their goal is to sow fear and doubt in US democracy. Focusing on a single candidate also clearly reveals their biased intentions.

How on Earth could you possibly know that? Source? What is there to even leak on Donald Trump? So many of his improprieties and indiscretions are painfully public affairs already. Are you really surprised that an institution focused on transparency would focus it's efforts on a person with both real power and incentive to deceive as opposed to a stupid TV show host who's every retarded comment and decision has been played to death since the beginning of the race?
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the FBI's cover up of hillary's emails is so obvious, it's not even funny. we'll look back on these years and wonder why the hell we were so fucking blind...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OztgH7gNBEY
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>>709665236
Even if the Clinton foundation is shit, they still do more charitable work than "Billionaire" Donald kek

no seriously...
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>>709665146
So the email wasnt fabricated it was just misrepresented by trump. So Hillary is still scum and you point is unproven. Excellent
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>>709665408

Why on earth would the HRC campaign not come out against these if they knew the docs were forged?

The only way to explain their silence is tacit admission. Is pleading the fifth not damning in and of itself? It's an admission of guilt.
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Putin wants Trump as pres cause he knows Trump wouldn't back the UN on sanctioning his ass for the shenanigans he's pulled off in Syria and mainly Ukraine.
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>>709665440
>What is there to even leak on Donald Trump?
Who knows? But we sure as shit won't be seeing it from Wikileaks.
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>>709665632
Republicans have been accusing her of anything from jaywalking to straight murder for the past 8 years.

I'm sure you would be tired of denying allegations if they were thrown at you on a daily basis like that.
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No amount of (illegal) media censorship can keep the skeletons in her closet forever. Forget prison, she has dirt on her resume (and Obama too for that matter) that warrant execution.

Just give up. Even if she does steal the election, the armed forces will likely turn on her.
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>>709665629
>it was just misrepresented by trump
It wasn't "misrepresented." It was flat out false. He pulled it from Sputnik, a Russian propaganda mouthpiece, the same day that the Wikileaks emails were released, and Trump claimed that he got it from Wikileaks.
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>>709665936
>armed forces = fat internet obsessed rednecks
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>>709665632
It isn't pleading the fifth. It's simply taking the time to thoroughly investigate the accusations. Only an idiot like Trump would hear an accusation and immediately reply with "WRONG."
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>>709665802

Why would they focus their attention on someone who is clearly inept at keeping his indiscretions private? The FBI would never commit resources to go undercover and expose a guy who just sells drugs in broad daylight. For Wikileaks to post content it has to be...a leak. There is nothing to suggest Donald is even capable of withholding sensitive information.
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>>709666021

You have no idea how much the military loathes Clinton.
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>>709666247
Considering I'm military, I guess I don't.
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>>709665845
I remember the last republican conspiracy pointed at the clintons....
hint hint (Bills sex scandal)
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>>709665845

Saying "I'm tired of defending myself" Is not a defense. Hillary has routinely denied many of Donald's claims during this election season ("We have a fact checker on HRC.com!!!"), but she has never denied the authenticity of the emails leaked to the public. If what you said explains her behavior, she has severe schizoid tendencies, changing her tastes on defending herself even within the same debates.
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>>709653940

REMINDER:

>CTR is real
>We have infiltrated them
>We found that they're a state sanctioned operation with NSA intrusion tools to go after ANONs on /pol/ and /b/
>they piss in jugs, eat hot pockets, and have never touched a woman
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>>709666308
Bill's running for President¿

By that logic, if Trump was elected, Melania would be an assault enabler. Well, whoever his wife was at the current time.
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>>709666212
Everyone has skeletons in their closet. I wouldn't be surprised if Donald has far more than most. But of course Wikileaks will never attempt to reveal them. They're clearly anti-US and the enemies of the US clearly want the easily manipulated Trump to be elected.
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>>709665802
quit fucking crying faggot.
You shuck's were happy as fuck when the video of trump was released where he said women will let rich men do anything to do them. You even went off on a tangent and created an entire movement saying he admitted to sexual assault when he never even said he himself grabbed women by the pussy. He just said women will let rich men do that. Yet here we are. We aren't talking about pussy anymore. We are talking about information pertaining to the safety of this country and how it was mishandled and then covered up. That is beyond illegal. We are looking at serious admissions of poll rigging, false flagging, inciting violence and a slue of other felonies and you wanna cry that wiki leaks is biased?
You fucking child. The entire media in this country is biased against Trump. Even fox news doesn't like Trump. And here we are. With you. a liberal. Playing the classic victim card. You fucking faggots should be ashamed of yourselfs. You'll lie cheat steal and erase all the evidence even if it destroys this entire country all because you wanna slap each others asses with your dicks. Seriously, what the ever loving fuck is wrong with you retards. You are all degenerate mentally ill children with victim complexes and a dire need for attention.
Honest to God, if all of you died the world would be a better place. It really would.
I think you know it would.
Here let me give you some more material to play the victim to and whine about.
I really hope you kill yourself
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>>709665265
If her lawyers didn't send every document, how could the FBI read every document?
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>>709666179

> HRC needs to investigate accusations against her before she will comment

Yeah, no. She is perfectly aware of whether or not these things are authentic; she is the subject of the accusations! She has teams of PR people and investigators working around the clock manufacture what she says. I do not believe she is literally dumbfounded by the question and has to sit silently to collect her thoughts on whether or not the docs in question are real.
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>>709666538
Missing the point entirely. Last time Hillary called something a "Republican Conspiracy" it was the Bill Clinton sex scandal that proved to be true
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>>709666702
>muh elections rigged, halp
>vast national conspiracy to shit on Donald
>mein fuhrer
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>>709663801
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>>709656085
>just for being a woman in power
Almost got me there, ill give you a 3/10
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>>709666923
Just looking at the evidence.
Shuck
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>>709666657

> They're clearly anti-US and the enemies of the US clearly want the easily manipulated Trump to be elected.

How is that at all clear?
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>>709665964
> He pulled it from Sputnik, the same day that the Wikileaks emails were released, and Trump claimed that he got it from Wikileaks.

So you're saying Sputnik had misinformation and tump read that misinformation but are you saying the original wikileaks email is "100%fake"?

So far, I haven't seen one email proven to be fake from Wikileaks. Dems aren't even trying to deny them outright

Here's an article from a source liberals always use and conservatives always hate
http://www.snopes.com/newsweek-proves-that-wikileaks-is-leaking-phony-hillary-clinton-emails/
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>>709666702
savage
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>>709653940
Do you have any evidence to support that argument, Mr. CTR? If not, let me introduce you to Hitchens' Razor.

>pic related


>>709666779

Even CTR's memes are normie-tier and dripping with cringe. You're so fucking obvious, you embarrassing faggot.
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>>709661589
No they are not. That isn't even a mathematical possibility.
100 seats will be divided proportionally to the votes. As in, any 1% of the votes will earn 1 seat.
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>>709658468
So she's both cut dirty deals with them and antagonized them to the point of war? Which is it?
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>>709667077
Are you a National Socialist? You didn't deny Trump was your Furher, which means I has evidencez you is Nazi. We need a congressional hearing on this.
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>>709667246
sorry congress is a little busy with some other things right now.
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>>709666702
>he never even said he himself grabbed women by the pussy
o rly

https://youtu.be/o21fXqguD7U?t=50s
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>>709667106
There is no evidence they are legit either. As much as I hate the fat fuck, Kim.dom had a good idea, and the Republicans would actually be useful for once. Go to the NSA and get 'proofs'.
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>>709666794
>thinking all of the leaked emails were sent by Clinton personally
ISHYGDDT
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>>709662045
> show me the anti us
> quotes his own ASSERTION

Ok
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>>709667408
Yes. Really.
Time stamp the moment he says he himself grabs women by the pussy and then type out what he said.
I want it to sink in
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>>709665540
Just because they do some work doesn't mean it's a good use of money. If they take in a billion and use half a million to do good, then it isn't a good charity. If they did zero service for the money they got it would be too much of a red flag

I'm not denying their foundation does more then a trump foundation but they take in exponentially more money for marginally greater benefit to society
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>>709663742
> pointing out government corruption is antistate

Holy jingoist shill
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