Should we regulate guns like we currently regulate cars in America?
>no more background checks for gun purchases
>violent felons can legally own guns
>concealed carry permit age lowered to age 16, no background check required anymore
this is what the gungrabbers want, right?
>>708127837
argumentum ad absurdum.
kys, you faggot. :)
>>708127837
>op gets rekt in previous thread
>starts a new thread posturing
nice anon. really, nice.
>>708127837
>six month waiting period
>written and practical tests to make sure you aren't retarded and are mentally capable of handling a firearm
>operation under the influence can result in revocation of your liscence
>pay insurance for your gun
>re register it every few years
>yearly inspections
>until the age of 18 you can only operate in certain areas between certain hours
>must pass a vision test
Sounds fucking good to me
>>708127837
Except you forgot the mandatory license to carry and operate guns (with points system that allows to take away the license) , mandatory insurance to operate a gun, higher felonies for those who user guns under the influence of alcohol or other substances and many other restrictions.
So yes, you are a stupid troll, m8.
>>708129582
Licencing/registration is only for cars used on public roads.
>>708129726
If you're a conceal or open carry fag you're using it in public dumbass
>>708129726
So unless you plan to keep the gun at home for ever you still need the license.
>>708129832
No shit, but this implies none of that licencing shit should be required if you only shoot your guns on private property. Faggot bitch.
>>708129913
If you're literally never leaving your property with the gun this would make sens. But if you hunt, or carry for work/protection it would have to be registered. Nigger faggot
Nice try OP
>>708129582
We've got a lot of that already. Most states required a license to carry. You also generally have a lower tolerance for the use of alcohol or drugs when carrying. About all we're missing is the mandatory insurance and that should be up to the individual carrying.
>>708129913
Not everyone has the money and the land required to do a proper firing range.
Do I have to remind you that shooting BBs on your 30$ crappy wal-mart airsoft replica in your mom's backyard is not considered a gun firing range?
>>708129581
so... forced conscription.
This entire argument is irrelevant anyways, the gun-haters have already lost the argument.
>assault weapons ban expired in 2004
>over 300 million guns in private hands
>crime in general in America is the lowest it's been since the 1960s
>concealed carry is now legal in all 50 states
>10 states don't even require a permit to conceal carry
kek, stay mad gungrabbers
>>708130114
Using a gun at a normal, private business firing range would be the same as using a car on a private track. Licencing/registration isn't necessary. For cars, it's only applicable on public roads.
>>708130136
How the fuck did you get forced conscription from this
>>708130317
>six month wait
>physical and mental tests
>have to pay for your own shit sometimes
>re-sign every few years
>>708127837
I live in Nazifornia.
My ideal gunlaw
>18 years old for all guns
>extensive background check
>week waiting period
>require extensive mental evaluation test for concealed carry
>Yearly gun registration fee( keeps track of firearm ownership and generates revenue) keep price low though.
> fuck jerry brown
This is just what I'd like to see in California.
>>708127837
If you like guns become a cop or join the military, if you want to shoot them, go to a range and rent some. But all the guns that are being used in street crime are coming from somewhere and I'm willing to bet its either rich white kids stealing them from their dads and selling trading them to drug dealers or theyre being stolen from people who leave them under there beds or in the nightstand. So if you cant handle the responsibility of owning a gun you shouldn't be allowed to own them.
inb4
>that's not fair!!!
get over it lifes not fair
yes definitely gun only 50 caliber but car 5000 caliber what more deadly? logic and reason win every time.
>>708130282
If in order to drive a vehicle in a private business racing track you need to pass through public roads you need a license.
So following the same comparison:
If in order to shoot a gun in a private business firing range you need to transport the gun through public space you will need a license.
Keep trying to force this stupid shit, I can go all day and night like this.
>>708130527
The question was what if guns were regulated like cars. That's literally what it would be like. This has nothing to do with drafting people you retard
What about people that live on farms?
>>708127837
We should regulate races and religion like we regulate the first and second amendment.
>>708130771
To drive a car on a private track I can have it hauled on a trailer. It is not being driven. To shoot a gun at a private range I can case it and throw it in the trunk. It's not being carried.
>>708129581
>>six month waiting period
Where do live that you have a six month waiting period to buy a car?
>pay insurance for your gun
only if you use it on a public highway
>re register it every few years
only if you use it on a public highway
>operation under the influence can result in revocation of your liscence
only if you use it on a public highway
>written and practical tests to make sure you aren't retarded and are mentally capable of handling a firearm
only if you want to use it on a public highway
>>708130598
>Yearly gun registration fee( keeps track of firearm ownership and generates revenue) keep price low though.
Would probably be challenged in court as you can't tax a right.
Hawaii does the same but they don't make their citizens pay for it.
>>708130608
wrong. Most guns used in street crimes are cheep knock offs made in jungles and shit and smuggled into the U.S. These are used because they come made with fake serial numbers so they appear legal. Guns used in crimes that originated from legal American retail are practically useless to criminals because they are so easy to trace.
>>708130809
Well there are driving courses and training classes. Wouldnt people have to take those too with firearms? You're asking for conscription. Mandatory service.
>>708131045
Six moth waiting period after you get a learners permit. Any fucking shmuck can buy a car but if you want to use it you need this thing called a liscence
>>708130608
>rich white kids
If only rich white people could buy guns, we'd have a lot less gun crime
> there
their
>get over it
Get over the fact that I have guns.
>>708131282
I never had to do that w/ my drivers license, and I had my license at 14. Does that mean we'd get to carry at gun at 14?
>>708131075
True that. I do hate super strict gun laws like here in California but I also don't like people getting a gun too easy.
>>708131174
Taking a class in order to use a gun is not enlisting in the military, just like how taking a class on how to not be a faggot doesn't in fact make you, a massive homo, any more straight
>>708130911
Yes, in this case no license registration would be needed, but that would be the 1-5% of the cases, the vast majority of the guns (legally) owned in the USA are for self-defense and that includes carrying them in public spaces (like the vast majority of the cars in the USA are used for displacements through public roads)
>>708131282
>Six moth waiting period after you get a learners permit.
Where I live, that only applies to <16 YOs, who can't legally buy guns so...
>Any fucking shmuck can buy a car
And not any schmuck can buy a gun. Your point?
>but if you want to use it
again, you only need a license on a public road
>>708131468
Legitimate and law abiding gun owners already have to go through background checks to purchase them.
And in the case of Hawaii, those gun owners are put into the FBI's database unwillingly.
So no its not easy.
Its easy if you're a criminal and can skirt the law by buying a gun off Tyrone in the ghetto.
>>708127837
Yeah faggot, but you left out the important parts.
>New gun owners must be licensed similar to the way that drivers are licensed
>essentially driver's ed for guns: safety, how to use, the works
>you must pass a test too
>license revoked for warrants, felonies, etc but has potential to be restored
>license minimum age is 21
>>708131514
The biggest problem I see with requiring a class to own or use a gun is they can then remove that ability by not offering the class, only offering it once a year, or setting the price so high that the average person can't afford it.
We're talking Constitutionally protected rights here, not privileges. Most of the hoops people want to setup are just to make it hard to get a gun. They are control, not safety. Look at the amount of crimes committed by people who legally carry. It's almost zero, and what few they do commit is generally something stupid like forgetting they've got it and walking through a metal detector.
>>708131361
>I have guns
no you don't, no one on 4chan is old enough to buy a gun you just like to debate because youre a lonely faggot
>correcting my grammar
I used both, there and their correctly in my post at least once so you would have to figure that it just was a typo.
>If only rich white people could buy guns, we'd have a lot less gun crime
So people should buy guns to protect themselves from being killed by guns that they bought and were stolen? Brilliant
>>708131459
Plenty of people give their kids firearms before 14. It's a trust thing. I dont think that happens to much now a days because most people are heavily influenced by the media and articles that are most of the time flat out lies.
>>708131514
reading comprehension.
>>708131468
I don't think you know how to legally purchase a firearm in the first place.
No checks no records nothing. That is how it should be done. Gun safety should be taught in grade school. All states should have concealed carry without any permits. Like WV does.
>>708131983
I gave my son guns at the age of 5. They're in my safe and under my control until he gets older, but they're his guns. My point is that if guns are treated like cars I should be able to get a license to carry at 14.
>>708129876
would this include transportation of the firearm? If yes then your initial point has failed.
>>708131928
>no you don't,
Okay buddy, whatever makes you feel better
>so you would have to figure that it just was a typo.
Or I could figure you're just dumb
>So people should buy guns to protect themselves
Where did I say that? That's not why I own them.
>>708131806
i'm a legitimate, law abiding gun owner. i own several firearms that i've purchased legally with no background check.
i even own a rifle that was used to kill americans and it's perfectly legal to own. :)
>>708132255
Czech my dubl dubz. :p
>>708131983
Huuur duuur, go to gun shop pass a background check and a test, pick your shit wait 10 days. So hard to get gun. Clockbars up here in San Bernandino got some
>>708132078
Remove all the restrictions from 34, 68, and 86 and we'd have a good start.
>>708127837
>>violent felons can legally own guns
Drunk drivers aren't allowed to legally drive.
>>708127837
>no background check required anymore
Maine and Vermont have no "background check" to carry open or concealed. and either state has single digit gun homicides in a year.
>>708132380
Tell me, what exactly does it accomplish to make me wait to pickup a gun when I'm buying it w/ one on my hip?
Americans are so stupid
>>708132234
post pic of gun with timestamp otherwise go back to COD faggot.
>That's not why I own them.
I addressed that in my argument you can go to the range and rent some but your fellow gun owners have showed America they are incapable of owning guns responsibly so they gotta go.
>>708131607
Concealed carry, which requires a license in most states anyways, only accounts for an estimated 10% of gun owners. Most guns owned for defense are kept in the home.
>>708131886
At least where I live, driving classes that are required to get a liscence are offered twice a week every week all year. If something like this were done with guns not only would you see more educated, safer gun owners, but also a decline in accidental shootings and other bullshit like that. I'd rather see more gun ownership by educated people than less with people who just had an impulse to buy a gun. You can't rely on people to educate themselves this is where governmental regulations need to step in.
You could argue that people will still illegally aquirr firearms and be fucking retarded with them, but at least you would see less law abiding citizens killing themselves or their family members by accident.
>>708131873
>>New gun owners must be licensed similar to the way that drivers are licensed
Car owners aren't licensed, drivers are. That's the point.
>>license revoked for warrants, felonies, etc but has potential to be restored
In the US, your drivers license is usually revoked for a serious driving-related offense or for failure to pay child support. Not for just any felony. When it comes to owning a gun, however, any felony will bar you from owning a gun for life.
>>license minimum age is 21
For a car?
>>708132754
When they have Gun Ed classes in high school I'd be more inclined to agree.
>>708132754
The problem is that people (generally) don't want to end the ability to drive. We have people will do almost anything to end the right to keep and bear arms. If you require a class they would figure out a way to keep people from getting guns by not requiring a class. If you made it so the government was required to offer the class they'd ignore the requirement.
The problem is not w/ uneducated gun owners. It's with criminals. Honest gun owners are not a problem. Criminals are, and you're not going to get a criminal to take the class or pass the background check. This is about control and removing guns. Not about safety.
>>708132611
>post pic of gun with timestamp
That's too much work just to convince some jealous faggot on 4chin.
>>708127837
We basically have this in Australia, the gun owner must go through a background check, have someone of government employment sign you off as a good and fit person, you go complete a safety course, you are then a registered shooter. Then you have to buy a safe/gun cabinet meeting construction specifications and requiments of your specific firearm class licence so for example Category A&B being manually operated long arms, you can't store a pump action or semi auto shot gun or semi auto rifle or hand gun in that safe.
You are registered for 5 years at a cost of $250Au, you must refill paperwork every 5 years to retain your firearms.
So the government registers you, your guns and where they are located.
Don't let this shit happen in US.
>>708132486
Double check that you are not a nigger ? Nigger. Hipster fuck.
>>708132611
Why should someone be penalized for the potentiality of a crime? If that was a legitimate argument then we need to ban anything that could be used to commit a crime including cutting of all mens dicks as they could one day commit rape.
>>708132754
Here's an easy way to fix your problem of wanting safe gun owners.
Require everyone to take a class on gun safety. You could do them in high school if you wanted. Then you would be well within the well regulated part of the 2nd Amendment and wouldn't be trying to make it expensive or impossible to own a gun.
>>708132919
see
>>708129581
Basically this, but the most important part is the written and practical tests. Right now just about any nigger could waltz into walmart and grab a gun. At the very least this way it won't be so easy
>>708133307
lol. I'm about as far from a hipster fuck or nigger as you can get. I'm an honest gun owner who carries on a daily basis.
>>708133487
Written and Practical Tests? Is that like a Poll Tax or Test?
>>708133268
>We basically have this in Australia
You have to meet all those requirements to own a car in Australia?
>>708133238
>tfw btfo
go play some airsoft and come back when youre not 14
>>708133487
You realize background checks are thing, right?
>>708131045
>pay insurance
Or if you live somewhere with legally mandated laws for Auto-insurance like Colorado.
>>708133392
dicks serve a purpose, guns not so much.
>>708133487
>Right now just about any nigger could waltz into walmart and grab a gun.
Not in every state, but the point of the OP was to address the argument that guns should be regulated like cars. Any nigger can buy a car.
>>708133402
This is something I'd love to see in high schools, if anything you could opt your child out just like with sex Ed but at least a majority of the population would have some understanding of gun safety
>>708132255
Just means you've been trolling a few gun shows, and or buying privately.
The vast majority of purchases are through gun dealers though.
>Should we regulate guns like we currently regulate cars in America?
for what purpose? what will this accomplish?
>>708133739
Guns serve a purpose. They are a means to protect my family and a source of stress relief and entertainment.
>>708133739
Failed argument. Guns serve a purpose as well. It does not change the fact that that prohibiting either under the assumption that either could be used to commit a crime is retarded.
>>708133496
Fucking baby killer
>>708133552
>Is that like a Poll Tax or Test?
No, it's like a driver's test.
>>708133757
But not every nigger can drive it
>>708133848
nope, dope. try again. :)
if you buy from a licensed dealer at a gun show in USA, the dealer conducts a background check.
in most states, sales between individuals are legal.
>>708133983
lol. Projecting much? I've never killed anyone. I've shot a lot of quail, pheasants, and ducks over the years though.
>>708133891
Agreed, Dicks serve a similar purpose. They are a means to create a family and a source of stress relief and entertainment.
>>708134082
Were they baby quail, pheasants and ducks? Cause then this guys >>708133983 point would apply.
>>708133987
My point is that tests or fees to exercise a Constitutionally protected right (voting) were found to be illegal. They were implemented for much the same reason you're proposing doing the same thing for guns.
>>708131806
>And in the case of Hawaii, those gun owners are put into the FBI's database unwillingly.
Even before the rap back law, your fingerprints went to the FBI when you registered a gun or got a permit to purchase.
>>708133891
>means to protect my family
from what exactly? terrorist? crazed gunman on a rampage? So far and inbetween that the damages from gun ownership are far worse than any mass shooter or terror attack. Like the thousands of stolen firearms that are used in street crime and the constant roundabout of "buying a gun to protect myself from people who stole legally purchased guns". Stop the sale of firearms and have a gun turn in and then over time recover the stolen firearms on the street until gun crime is low and then we as a country can find a way for citizens to own guns and not have them stolen and used in the streets.
>stress relief and entertainment
go to a gun range and rent a gun.
>>708134222
No. They were tasty quail, pheasants, and ducks. I did kill some baby rabbits once, but it was with a lawn mower. I didn't see their nest until I ran over it.
>>708133987
>But not every nigger can drive it
Now think back to the OP, and how it relates to guns...
>>708134325
>>708133947
if dicks served no other purpose I'm sure people would make the argument that they should be removed.
>>708134325
>go to a gun range and rent a gun.
Go to a sex shop and rent a dick.
This makes as much sense and logic as your post.
>>708134082
>>708134222
Hillary 2016,stop evil gun owners from killing innocent people and bees.
>>708134325
From criminals. From a rogue government if it ever comes to that.
Here's a fact you're not going to change. Guns are here, and you cannot get rid of them. We have over 300,000,000 guns in the US and people aren't going to turn them in.
Gun crime isn't the problem. Criminals are the problem. Go after the criminals instead of the law abiding gun owners and you'll reduce the crime problem. Problem is that crime is generally down, and gun control isn't about guns. It's about taking the guns away and gaining control.
>>708134494
gr8 false equivalency
>>708134325
I don't need to go to a gun range and rent a gun. I've got my own on my hip and in my pocket. Thanks for the suggestion though.
>>708134452
You seam to have missed the point entirely.
>It does not change the fact that that prohibiting either under the assumption that either could be used to commit a crime is retarded.
Dicks was an extreme example, this could apply to any thing from cars to knives or any other item that could be used to commit a crime.
>>708134331
Well sir I think we are going to need you to take a mowing class, register your mower and be licensed to operate a lawn mower then. Hell that's to much work. We're banning all lawn mowers. Please turn your lawn mower in to your nearest law enforcement office.
>>708130598
You talk like a fag and your shits all retarded.
As a fellow Californian, heres what I would like to see.
18 to buy any gun.
No background check.
No waiting period.
No permit required to conceal or open carry.
and fuck you and your registration fee.
and fuck jerry brown.
We need to address the actual problems in our country. Crime, including gun crime, is a symptom, not the primary issue.
>>708133983
Here's a good question. Why do people like you immediately start on the insults and assumptions? I know lots of people who carry own and carry guns. With a few rare exceptions (who were all police) none of us has ever shot anyone, and a lot of us have been in a situation where we could have legally done it. We don't want to shoot someone, but we want to protect our family. Having a gun is one way I can do it, and I don't care if your fake numbers disagree with that.
>>708134708
*seem
>>708134559
Your false equivalency was not as great as my satire. Please learn what logical fallacies are before you try calling people out on them.
>>708134904
Molon Labe!!!
>>708135138
Guess I rely on spell check and auto correct to much.
>>708135109
B8 m8
>>708134938
White trash confirmed
>>708135168
lulz I had to look that up. I do agree with you there.
>>708134938
You talk and think like you fuck your cousin.
I wish. Ive got some cousins that are fucking hot.
Doesnt change the fact that guns should be regulated no differently than any other inanimate object.
>>708133882
Makes the prospects of owning a gun less desirable so that violent crimes can skyrocket.
You know whatever keeps gun violence down.
Gun ownership is based.
>>708133662
Oh chaff, those things don't exist.
You see I don't need a background check to buy paper towels and a Walmart, therefore I don't need one for a gun.
>the current year and all
>>708136677
On what?
>>708136741
You dont need a background check to buy explosives or bleach and amonia.
Hell all you need for a car is cash.
Did you know that squatters in a house don't even need to live there or provide proof of residence or ID to have water and electricity turned back on to live somewhere for free? Illegally? But it's illegal so... wait..
>>708137079
based is a phrase, newfriend.
>>708137143
You do need a background check for high explosives. Not generally for things like black powder though, and not for precursors if you want to make your own.
laws wont stop criminals from getting guns, faggot
>>708137562
Isn't that the definition of criminal? Someone who doesn't obey the law?
>>708137562
But shouldn't they?
>>708137444
Not if you buy ingredients and manufacture your own explosives. Criminals don't care about laws.
>>708137143
Exactly the point. We do not assume that someone buying bleach and ammonia are going to use them to commit a crime. Nor is it assumed that someone setting up utilities at a residence is there illegally. Yet some how we are supposed to believe that anyone that is purchasing a firearm intends to and is only buying that firearm to commit a crime.
>>708137562
Yeah, we should probably remove laws on everything cuz criminals will just ignore them anyway haha XD
>>708137707
That was the whole precursor part of my comment. If I buy legal explosives like dynamite, blasting caps, or other high explosives I need to go through a background check, permits, and follow the correct procedures for storage and transport.
Criminals take their chances and make homemade explosives. If they're lucky they don't blow up early.
>>708137687
Have they stopped anyone from getting drugs not willing to obey the laws from getting drugs or committing other crimes?
>>708137829
And this 10 year old troll doesn't know how laws work.
>>708137829
We should require intelligence tests and license to have babies so no more retards like you are born.
>>708137922
Did they work for alcohol during Prohibition?
Really? It's 2016 and people still think guns should be legal to purchase and own.
>>708138196
Yes. That's the beauty of a free country. We get to own them and don't have to care what some asshole thinks that doesn't like them.
>>708137922
That was the joke, shit most people know that a rapist won't care if it was right or wrong to rape they would do it anyway.
>>708137829
Look up the difference between malum prohibitum malum in se sometime.
>>708138464
Yeah I thought that was the way you were going, just clarifying and strengthening the position.
>>708138052
That was the point being made and good example there too.
>>708130608
>rich white kids
Yeah, that's totally who is responsible for the majority of violent crime in the USA.
>>708130608
>join the military
10 U.S. Code § 311 defines militia. If you don't like the laws here, move to Jamaica, they have some of the most draconian gun laws in the world and I hear it's a peaceful utopia.
>>708138196
Really?It's the current year people still think people should have their own opinions and say what they want.
Protection is an after thought to me honestly, its easy to stay out of trouble. The main reason we have them here is because they're fun and look cool. It's fun to shoot, it relieves my stress too. Its a sporting activity, some people don't like to be grown ups and play grown up games, so fuck them. Anti firearm activists haven't gotten anywhere yet and they wont get anywhere in the future, ill still do what I want. Simple as that. But I could agree back round checks and check ups with your equipment and license should be done every few years.
Pic related, sks bullpup I want.
>>708127837
It's exactly what they want. They say it all the time.
>>708138196
>>708139252
Where do the people who commit street crimes get the guns? Exactly they either steal them or they buy them illegally from someone and I was using the rich white kid who sold his dads gun for drugs as an example because ive known people who has done this.
>>708139252
I respect the constitution also, but if youre gonna own guns and complain about all that street crime that youre being blamed for, at least understand why that is and don't act oblivious like gun owners hands are clean.
>>708139821
It doesn't really matter. Some of them are straw purchases (already illegal.) Some of them are stolen from legal gun owners. Guns last a long time and if there is a demand for them someone will fill it. Do you really think w/ all the tons of drugs they're running across the border that it would be a problem to throw some guns in with them? Do you think w/ modern CNC and 3D printing people can't just make them if they want them?
>>708139969
Please explain how a law abiding gun owner is responsible for the actions someone else. For that matter please explain how any law abiding person is responsible for the actions of another person.
>>708139969
Gun owners hands generally are clean. We follow all the stupid rules and laws. We're generally more law abiding than the general population of the country. It's not our fault there are criminals in the world, and criminals will steal valuable things. If a criminal needs or wants a gun they're going to get one. Don't blame the gun owners. Blame the criminals.
>>708140309
>>708140374
When you buy a gun youre expected to understand its not a toy, and to not let it be stolen and used in street crime, so knowing that and you keep it unlocked in a place where it can be taken you may as well be guilty when its used to go and kill someone.
>>708139969
I can assure you none of my guns has ever committed a crime nor has anybody ever accused them of doing so. It is my belief that if you are blaming inanimate objects for crime you are batshit crazy.
>>708139821
>Where do the people who commit street crimes get the guns?
From niggers? From "Fast and Furious"? What if you sold your car to someone who might drive drunk and kill somebody? You should probably go ahead and ban those.
Sadly your hoplophobia doesn't change the law nor invalidate my God given rights.
>>708130608
You sir are a complete fucktard. I bet your one of those pukes that talks shit about guns all day long but the first sign of trouble you call someone who has one to your aid.
>>708140109
the majority of street crime is using stolen handguns so that's what were talking about atm.
>>708139821
>Where do the people who commit street crimes get the guns?
Poor people and minorities can buy guns
>>708131075
Registering = inevitable confiscation
When will you sheep wake up and realize his ?
>>708140806
>someone steals your car out the garage
>runs someone over
>it's your fault because you bought a car
>>708140806
I've worked in the gun industry, and I can assure you I know that they're not toys. None of my friends think they're toys, and my son has been taught from an early age that they're not toys.
You can only go so far to keep them from getting stolen. Mine are locked up when they're not on me. Good luck taking them if they are on me.
>>708140936
No, I just paid attention is school so I don't live in section 8 housing where I might need a gun for my protection, and ive been hunting and shot at the range and its nothing that appealing.
>>708140806
>to not let it be stolen
So now the onus is on citizens to prevent their things from being stolen? I thought that's what police are for?
You Marxists are so fucking disingenuous.
Lets face facts, if we weren't saddled with your precious pets from darkest Africa and the rest of the third world the USA would have some of the lowest violent crime rates in the world. The problem isn't guns it's niggers, Mexicans and other muds.
>>708131075
>Hawaii does the same but they don't make their citizens pay for it.
Yes they do, you have to pay a fee for the fingerprinting.
>>708140806
>When you buy a gun youre expected to understand its not a toy, and to not let it be stolen and used in street crime, so knowing that and you keep it unlocked in a place where it can be taken you may as well be guilty when its used to go and kill someone.
Then this should apply to cars and car dealerships as well. If some one steals your car and uses it to commit a crime; hit and run, murder, robbery then you are as guilty of as them. No. Just no. They committed a crime i.e stealing the item to commit further crimes. The person who was robbed is a victim as well and I would think from your position that you would be against victim blaming.
>>708141007
Valuable things get stolen? Say it isn't so! People still cars out of garages and off the street then commit crimes with them. They steal drugs and use them or sell them. So what? If I've made a reasonable attempt to secure the weapon it isn't my fault if a criminal steals it. In that case I am one of the victims. Go catch the criminal and actually do something about them instead of shaking your finger at them and telling them they're naughty.
>>708141182
>I don't live in section 8 housing
Have no fear AFFH will bring a little slice of Africa right into your quiet little suburb before you know it.
>>708141547
That would get shut down in a hurry here. Come down the street rioting, burning, and assaulting people and you'd get shot.
>>708141057
not felons
>>708141137
>>708141294
cars aren't guns don't compare to the two we have cars for a reason even though they contribute to the destruction of the planet which you should be far more concerned about than
criminals.
>>708141213
if you buy a gun youre expected to keep it locked up in a place where it wont be stolen, this is for a reason because of how high gun crime is using stolen handguns so yeah, if you buy a gun and let it get stolen youre very much at fault.
>>708131075
>you can't tax a right
26 U.S. Code § 4181 - Imposition of tax
There is hereby imposed upon the sale by the manufacturer, producer, or importer of the following articles a tax equivalent to the specified percent of the price for which so sold:
Articles taxable at 10 percent—
Pistols.
Revolvers.
Articles taxable at 11 percent—
Firearms (other than pistols and revolvers).
Shells, and cartridges.
>>708141651
And where is "here". You live in Russia or something?
>>708141746
>not felons
Poor people and minorities can sell guns to felons.
>>708141746
Cars aren't guns. You're right there. Guns are part of a Constitutionally protected right. Cars aren't. We have guns for reasons too. Doesn't matter if you don't like them or agree with them.
You do realize it is essentially impossible to stop a criminal from stealing something if they really want it don't you? Safes are tool resistant, and rated by the amount of time it would take to open them with the right tools. There is no place "where it won't be stolen." Only reasonable precautions to secure it.
>>708141182
>>708141547
I own my own home and have blacks and Hispanics in my neighborhood who are also home owners. The issue is not race or poverty level. The issue is personal responsibility and being a law abiding person. I grew up poor and worked hard to get where I am. I am still what is considered "working poor" so I do not have much but, what I have I worked for and earned.
>>708141807
I live in the good old USA. One of the flyover states. We have no duty to retreat and a riot where they're burning buildings and assaulting people will get stopped once it leaves the areas where people are burning their own neighborhoods.
>>708127837
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>>708141746
>not felons
You do realize that the illegal sale of a firearm is a felony, right? So that would mean that they are felons just not convicted felons.
>>cars aren't guns don't compare to the two we have cars for a reason even though they contribute to the destruction of the planet which you should be far more concerned about than
criminals.
In this example cars and guns can be compared as they are both items that are stolen to commit crimes. As well, we have guns for a reason too. Anything can be used for wrong doing. I can beat some one to death with a dildo, it does not make the dildo bad or all people that own dildos bad. The item is not the issue it is the intent and actions of the individual.
