Im going to buy my first handgun this weekend and im thinking the Sig p320 RX, Anyone have one? Thoughts? Is there anything better for under $900 that not a shitty glock and has a red dot?
not a bad idea just don't drop it
would have been a better idea to consult /k/ about this thought
Can’t go wrong with a hk usp
Got one in .40 cal
Put thousand or so rounds through it this far never jammed. Fairly accurate. Easy to break down
And. You can click the safety on with the hammer still pulled back
we all know that whatever gun OP buys he will never actually shoot it, just take pictures of it and pretend to be Ding Chavez while clearing his mom's house of fake niggers and zombies
where the fuck are you?
Like no joke I can walk into Cabela and buy a AR w an attachment or 2 with 900. Not even considering handguns. I thibk they go from 200 up here.
DFW tx btw.
I just bought one as well and took it shooting this past weekend. I can only compare to the berreta 92 as that's the only other gun I've shot but this p320 is amazing. Easy trigger, great sights, and easy to clean. It's also good because if you get the urge to increase the caliber size... You can easily do it.
1. Take it to /k/. A magical place. We're always friendly and eager to shove our opinions down your throat.
2. Join a range. Try out the pistols they have available. Fingerfuck the pistols they have for sale and talk to the people there, explain what you want and don't like in a pistol. What makes a great gun store or range are the people that work there and their experience.
3. A red dot is a cat toy. Aftermarket.
I havent looked at HK yet i might have a look into them.
Ive already built an AR and have a 308 so dont need another AR or bolt action. Im in OH.
ive head mixed reviews about the trigger but what ever i get im going to swap it out anyway.
They already fixed the drop problem and anyway it wasn't a problem as far as im concerned, unless your pron to dropping your guns all the time and if thats the case you probably shouldn't be shooting anyway.
not a gun nut I only know guns from games and movies.
Why not get a Colt 45? They look cool and if it was good enough for Grampa in WW2 it should still be good now right?
I actually picked up a Remington RP9 on black friday last christmas. It was 260$ and shoots like a dream. Good first handgun IMO.
Its like 450$ on the website but you can get them for wayyyy cheaper if you look around. Holds 18+1
This. Try before you buy. Its not just about quality. It has to fit your hand. The safety and mag button need to be where you can easily and instinctively get to them without accidentally thumbing them. Make sure the slide isn't going to hit you, and that the recoil is comfortable and easy to control. Put as much care into the holster selection, that it fits you and the gun.
My buddy has one. It’s pretty great, even though I don’t like 9mm rounds.
I would start off with a Glock though, OP.
Easy to operate, clean, and shoot. Might check into a Glock #22.
>hence why military and police stopped using them decades ago
no, they stopped for the police because they were using revolvers up until the 70's and went for S&W 40. cal pistols, then switched to 9mm after the 80's.
As for the military it was because of NATO standardization for pistol rounds.
Stick to COD new friendo.
Can't go wrong with a sig sauer. However, if I had to choose one single gun and couldn't own any other one, it would be a Glock.
Not because it's the best weapon out there (it's not) but for the sole reason of unlimited aftermarket parts.
Add a custom trigger for example. That will make the gun so much nicer.
And if you ever are in a shit hits the fan scenario, chances are you will run into other people with glocks for spare magazines and stuff.
This sounds like a troll post, but whatever.
Glocks are great handguns, but a bit expensive. Personally I don’t feel the need to own a gun, but if I did, my obvious choice would be a glock 19. I’ve shot a lot of handguns but that’s the one I keep coming back to.
However, i actually think the p320 is a good choice. IMO its probably the most similar to the glock in terms of how it shoots. Problem is that people who know more about this than I do tell me it’s poorly manufactured and unreliable (which admittedly is strange for a sig sauer but whatever).
A red dot sight (or really any optics other than a standard iron sight) on a handgun is pretty stupid.
Other handguns I’d give hard looks at are any CZ-based model and the M+Ps. Maybe some of the other fancy European makers if you feel like blowing money
>never seen a doublestack 1911
sure .45ACP has gone a bit out of style, being replaced by smaller, faster cartridges - see 10mm - but you just can't kill the .45 acp it's 110% murica
Glocks are getting very "old". But they work very well and used ones are going pretty cheap! Very easy to fix even if you do buy a broken one for $100...
>> Problem is that people who know more about this than I do tell me it’s poorly manufactured and unreliable (which admittedly is strange for a sig sauer but whatever).
I cannot confirm this. Sigs have alway been super excellent guns for me.
>>A red dot sight (or really any optics other than a standard iron sight) on a handgun is pretty stupid.
Yep... Bun fun on the range to show your friends. :D Serious self defense at 3 feet does not use "sights" at all..
I just got a Sig P365. Extremely impressive even as a range gun!
But OP should get a gun he wants and will love. The gun will return the love in all cases.
One often overlooked plus if the P320 is that they are all stainless steel... I carry in very wet places but stainless steel guns do eliminate a giant problem most guns have.
eh, if you've ever owned a mosin nagant or soviet firearm and fired russian caustic as fuck rounds through it this isn't so far fetched a process with even standard blued firearms, so long as you oil it up afterward.
Muzzle energy means literally nothing when dealing with soft fleshy targets, grain weight is what you need for stopping power. Those tiny ass 5.7s are meant for penetration, not for actual damage.
Well these are people who go up against the worst criminals in the country. Literally the kind of groups that will band together and have a shootout with LAPD because they know there aren't always enough cops to effectively combat 10-20 guys with guns. I'm not saying trust Californians because I sure as hell don't. But LAPD SWAT I'd be more intimidated by than any other department in the country.
For every well stored old gun out there, there are 100X more that did not make it....
Pretty much all modern polymer framed guns have stainless slides that are also nitrocarburized for rust resistance. It was a great advantage 30 years ago and basically started with Glocks back in the 1980s, nowadays it's pretty standard.
Muzzle energy determines the newtons of force that's going to knock you on your ass. Personally, I prefer 10mm the most because even though it's slimmer than .45ACP it moves faster than even 9mm and will have more stopping power. And more capacity. You also have to think "soft, fleshy targets" implies people don't have bones (that are going to absorb the bullet well) that will cause shock inducing pain regardless of physically "stopping" someone.
They have higher grade armor and operate in teams. Even if it was for show they're not dealing with traffic tickets everyday. They will have potentially more combat training than most members of the military. Not to mention the requirements to be with SWAT in most parts of the country is at least two years on the force. So their odds at living are still better than any volunteer Depewtee.
Sig P320c in 9mm myself. Absolutely love it. Great to shoot, carry it every day in an aliengear holster.
lol nope. Many swat teams across the US still uses them. Army special forces still use them. Marines did until 2016. Only reason they're not still used is because of switching to 9mm Glocks. Definitely hasn't been "decades" that they've been dropped for.
Call this place and ask about Glocks.
He'll steer you right.
>Any gun can rust, glocks included. Tennifer/nitrocarb slides aren't rustproof you idiot.
And I freak out when it's been a month or two since I've yanked my mosin out of the safe for a couple of small rust spots on the bolt action. Everything is self lubed thanks to cosmoline
Stainless steel used in firearms is typically 410 or 416, which can still rust if not taken care of properly. Higher grade stainless is too cost-prohibitive to work with to make it worth it.
I have only seen two cases of stainless steel rust in guns.
1. The steel is just super poorly made and poorly mixed and the fucked up steel rusts in places due to very poor metallurgy.
2. The steel is next to wood or other materials that leach chemicals that manage to cause rust. Usually very minor cleanup.
I have seen guns from flooded out gun safes that are recovered from seawater after two months.
Steel guns 100% dead, stainless guns just a good cleaning and surface polishing...
One caution about stainless though is that is has very high friction and you will need to lubricate it very well. The modern coatings now solve a lot of that until they wear through.
But if your gunplay is in or near water, stainless is a MUST!
>fucking americans with their stupid handguns
>get a rifle like a real man.
You under estimate how many guns we actually have :D
Already been said but go to a range for a few hours. Talk to people there but with an open mind. Shoot a few 9s 40s & 45s. Get a feel for what you like. I shot a 357 last weekend for the first time... it was fuckin hawt :) :) :)
It's a Sears version of the:
Very dirty but no rust... It took two hours to clean plus two more to tear down the scope.
$250... I just wanted to buy paper targets but I just had to steal this gun! Carried a LOT in the woods but only fired like 20 times :D Some guy chased me into the parking lot wanting to buy it off me for $400 :D
Bust gun deal evar!
I love this gun!
The initial size of the bullet and the expanded size are what transfers force to the target. The 5.7 will go straight through someone. .45 ACP causes hydrostatic shock and larger diameter wound channels, which is what you want in a defensive situation.
No. There are a couple of reasons why the military and police may have stopped using them widespread but the gun itself nor the caliber were reasons for that. The 1911 itself was a reliable handgun and the 45. is a powerful round. Thing is, 45. Doesn't do very well ballistically in the sense that it's slow, short-lived, and it's larger surface area usually disperses more of the force outward as opposed to inward. The 9mm sort of provides a balance between these two effects, though in general as a previous anon said there are higher-velocity rounds popping up more and more often - the 10mm being a great example because it's right at the same size as the 45. but higher velocity.
Yes, there was also that the 1911 didn't have stellar capacity - But look at even the compact models and the capacities can range from 10 to the standard, full size models which hold 16, and that's just what I've seen. There's also various 9mm, 40. S&W, and even 357. SIG (I believe) chambered versions that can carry more. The Marines still occasionally use these. If OP is looking for a carry pistol (and I doubt he'll be facing anyone with even a Level I graded ballistic vest) then the 45. Should actually be a good carry pistol because it rarely overpenetrates and disperses most of it's force around the AOI as opposed to into the target. 9mm has similar effects, but just saying the 45. is in no way a bad choice.
Polymer striker fired guns are honestly all the same, get whatever you want. 320s are fine...I'd get the xfive over an rx though
do some research before you slander one of the finest handguns on the market
however while the .45 acp might have more kick, it doens't have more footpounds, the 9mm does much more damage and will go through the target easier than a 45 acp due to it being a rather large and slow round all in all
How old is the revolver design and by comparison how often is it used by people for self defense? I'm not making the argument that it's the best damn gun on the market, numbskull, I'm not even a FAN of the 1911. But it's a design that still works and regardless of what you may think there a very, VERY good reason it hasn't faded away in fame over those years and that is because it is a reliable, workable design of legendary status. The Glock may have a working reputation too and is no doubt the firearm you'll see in the hands of many officers and even some military units around the world. It may be soon just as an iconic design.
Tell any one who knows ANYTHING about firearms what you just told me and they'll tell you just what I'm saying: The browning design has NOT failed in it's 100 year existence and there he's a reason for that.
Absolutely. But the Five seven isn't really a Self Defense pistol - It's just not put together for that, and neither is the round. High velocity means greater chance of overpenetration and that's not something you want in self defense. That being said, Five SeveNs are way cool guns but also they're pricy as all hell.
I EDC a Glock 34 and it's a bit heavy but it's also a tack driver. As someone said above, go to a range, learn about different handguns and finger fuck everything to find out what you like and dislike. Find that happy medium that does everything you want it to. I like the M&P as it's a really well rounded gun, but I'm not sure I'd own another.
I'll be honest, never was a fan of Glock much, always seemed like they had a plasticky trigger pull, wasn't a great fan of the sights, etc. But after seeing all the ways they can be put together I'm starting to come around to them.
It's a bitch to clean and does not work in mud.
Of course give me a situation and I'll give you the best gun for that.
But really, try say a Sig P365... It will kill a fuck just as dead far more easily and with far less worries or troubles....
Not to argue here on /b/ :D ]]
But really step back and look at all the guns out there and what the best ones are for a given task.
When someone tells me "this is a better gun for that". They are almost always right :)
I put the Glockwerx Fulcrum trigger in mine and got rid of the original. I've got a 2lb pull at the moment and it's delightful to fire. Until this one, I too, had never really been a fan of Glock.
>there's such a thing as /k/
But even you faggots down here on /b/ need some protection these days...
Px4 9m dont buy into the 40meme bullets. Get a ghost sight over red dot.
Don't get a full sized pistol. They may not seem heavy when you first hold them, but trust me. After hours and hours of carrying them, they get super annoying really fast.
Get a compact everyday carry. I recommend the Ruger SR40c.
>inb4 I'm only getting it for home defense
Then get a shotgun.
The Kahr CM-9 is very easy to carry. But the heavy spring and odd trigger pull was too hard on my old hands.
Now the P365 solves all that but it really is a bit bulky with some sharps edges. But it shoots like a God damn dream!
I'm am a little less worried these days if someone may suspect that the old guy has a gun in his pocket...
Yes, I do have a gun in my pocket. And I assume that you do too my friend. ;)
Buy one of the compact glocks (19, 23, etc). Only shitty thing about glocks are factory sights. Replace and you’ve got yourself a decent gun for a good price. If I remember correctly, the 320 has a shitty trigger.
I have a full size 320. Great pistol. I'd say skip the RX and go for the X5 instead. It's almost the same price, and you can always add the red dot later if it's something you really want. They have X5's at Cabela's here in ABQ for $875.
Congratz on the Sig pick, and the model you chose is fine for home defense if thats your game.
Personally for a concealed carry I would have gone with the new P365 because it is a leap ahead of anything on the market for its given size.
have fun blowing a hole in yourself with it. A trigger that light with no safety is an accident waiting to happen if you are carrying with intent to draw. If it's a range gun, then no problem, but drawing under pressure is a very different animal.
which one has the weird mag release? I held it and loved the trigger, but for some reason I couldn't get my brain to wrap around that release.
(probably years of a different manual of arms)
The Smith is what I've been carrying since I put the super light trigger in the Glock. The 34 goes to the range and that's about it as of now. I have another 34 that is going to be my EDC when I get it shipped in.
that makes sense. I shot a buddy of mines 34 and it was a joy to shoot. I still think I prefer the 320 full size though.
+1 on the guys saying CZ. The 75 is pretty much Browning Hi Power perfection.
That it is. I love just how accurate the 34 is and the 75 is probably one of the others I'll own some time.
While we've been talking guns a huge storm system rolled through Oklahoma where I'm at and we lost power and signal. Good times.
This is now an EDC thread haha watch is a samsung gear sport. Phone S9+ (used to take pic)
Glock 27 gen 4 masterrace reporting. One of my all time favorite guns, and I have a variety of Kimbers and Sigs. I trust Glock for my glovebox, my waist, and my home.
Snapped a photo for you guys so n00bs can distinguish adults from childish opinion.
I'll happily drive my shitbox Scubaru wagon. It's ugly, and not very fast, but it's cool.
The new ones are slightly more efficient. However, efficiency was not the primary criteria for my choice. It can operate in its wheel-well height of snow, take a hit, and defends a non-fatality streak eight years running. Also, there are unfounded claims the windshield can slow 9mm rounds to non-fatal velocities.
>Also, there are unfounded claims the windshield can slow 9mm rounds to non-fatal velocities.
Define poke. Most semi autos are more blocky and smooth on the sides, so not really.
A revolver's cylinder can stick out a little bit more.
As with any gun, a proper holster and belt are key
I wasn't the efficiency guy. I just like simple, hence the green wagon.
My ex wife has a Hummer H3 and I buried it in snow one time, it crawled it's way out. Honestly a really impressive 4x4 system in those.
you have to find the position and the gun that works best for you. I used to carry a G19 and found it a little to large for me to wear comfortably. I carry a Shield now because of how thin it is. I wear it at the 5 O'Clock position and love it. It barely feels like I'm wearing anything at all. A Glock 43 is another good choice for CC since it is thin as well.
OP didn't say it was for home defense. Only a tac shotgun for home defense. For reliable shooting, a revolver will do. Guaranteed not to jam. All misfires will still cycle. Just learn how to reload it quickly.
Glock realistically is a brand that's so great that people have to make things to complain about. Some anti-Glock fags say the sights are inaccurate, they're dead on at 50 yards (and you should be using a rifle if you want to reach out further than that). And then there's the meme Glocknade, the early first run of .40 cal Glocks *could* explode with hand loaded ultra-powerful .40 caliber rounds (but any standard round would be fine). They corrected this problem almost immediately.
Glock is a great first gun. I recommend Glock 19 very highly. It's the number one bestselling handgun in America for a reason.
You don't need a red dot for "babby's first gun" and it's just gonna make it harder to holster or carry. Also, I'd steer clear of the "prestige brands" Colt, Sig, Benelli, etc. Honestly, they're no better than your everyman's Glock and twice as expensive. In all products, you have the good brands, that there's nothing wrong with and the prestige brands that cost double (and it's basically just a status symbol thing like wearing a Rolex).
If that's what you want as a first gun, that's fine. But know that most people who intend to take up shooting as a hobby never commit (just like people who intend to take up playing guitar). You'll likely take it to the range twice and have it be an expensive paperweight until you have a financial emergency and need to sell it for cash.
Get a normal gun ffs. You're not gonna get pussy for having a fancier gun than the other guys at the range.
I see you poor taste in shit boxes, but at least its theft proof.
99.99% of people's "practice" is standing at a range and shooting for fun.
Good luck hitting anything out of a dead sleep, or in a stressful situation like any that involve using a gun for defense.
Even if you practice for those situations you won't be anywhere close to a crack shot in the moment.
Preferable to the unfounded claims that your mother’s a whore.
4x4s are metal as fuck. I dumped my sedan when my best friend survived a horrific car crash. Best choice I ever made, and I’m certain you and your wife can agree!
I generally think sig is over priced for what you get. my first gun was a CZ 75 DB. I like steel frames they take the brunt of the recoil and make it easier to be a more accurate shot.
The more you practice, the better you'll be. Hard to make such a general statement when there are many methods of training, differing personalities and levels of experience, and practicing will always sharpen skills.
I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit. I religiously clean my guns after I shoot and while it's rare I still get the occasional jam. There are way too many factors to account for.
It's possible someone on meth can take a few in the abdomen and keep coming, but that's true of almost any handgun. You really need a 12 gauge if you want to put someone down one time, every time.
All people that carry guns should really watch this.
One of the super few people that really tells all about shooting some asshole in real life.
It’s a tool. Do you want to collect a big pretty 50 cal. or just use it in defense, if so then a glock or Springfield is fine. I prefer 9 mm because it’s hard to get .22 ammo often where I’m at.
I realize how retarded that question sounds, now. What I mesnt to say is does it poke you sitting down driving a vehicle or in a seat at the movies? Just in general , is it uncomfortable.
It's less comfortable than not wearing one, but again, with a proper holster and belt you can sit and do most things normally without issue.
The bigger the gun, the more you have to accommodate.
It's like 1.5 pounds of gun in you pocket. Sort of heavy and floppy. If you bend down or get out of a car you think about not letting it drop on the ground and all that. But it is very easy to get used to.
You really forget about it most of the time.
Once you get over it, it's just fine. BUt it does take a while to get over that fact that you are carrying a gun now.
think about your wardrobe as well. I wear jeans and schmedium sized shirts so a smaller gun is better for me. If you wear more loose fitting clothes, you can get away with a larger gun.
They never made a 16 round .45acp
Thats why hes asking.
Also, there is a sizable differnce in velocity between a 3.5"/.45 compact and a full frame 5". Enough that it matters. Compact .45s are shit. 9mm matches it. Unless you go 5" plusP.
Very true. I like to think of it like glasses. At first they feel awkward and you fidget with them a lot. After time though you get comfortable with them, and it will feel weird to not have them.
There are four stages people seem go go through.
1. Carrying the gun around unloaded just to see if it is going to do anything crazy. Just to learn what it is like.
2. Loaded but not chambered. It serious now but still very safe as you learn to mentally deal with it.
3. Loaded and chamber and thinking about it a lot. Being very careful to avoid any fuck ups..
4. Carry all the time now and it's no big deal. Really don't think about it much at all.
Some awkward moments like today when I was going to rest groceries on my leg but stopped since that would put the gun in an awkward state. Getting out of my deep seat sports car is always a bit awkward still. But in the end it's very easy to carry.
bro. sig's are fucking great guns but you aren't gonna be getting one of the nice sigs for $900.
since you're on /b/ you're probably a pussy and can't handle anything over 9mm.
get a glock.
glocks are great guns, i shouldnt have to sell it to you, but they're cheap to maintain and operate, virtually fucking indestructable, and overall awesome. i dont own one, but they're still great. literally the gun of choice of the police.
and also you're a faggot with this "red dot" shit. nigga what? this isnt cod. fag