READ!!!
The marines have flamethrowers and fuel to last 900 octillion years, after that its handguns and boots.
The fight takes place on an infinite flat field, obviously not in this universe so no black holes and shit. The marines start in 1 group and the ants come from all directions (by foot) untill 1 team is 100% dead.
No death by hunger, dehydration, old age or disease but the marines still need sleep. No reproduction either.
Which team would win and why?
>>700448917
Do you understand how big graham's number is?
>>700449795
well nobody understand fully, but i have a good idea. How about you answer the question? How do you think the fight would go?
I can't imagine a clear winner
>>700448917
alright, I'll bite.
Let's assume the marines are in the center of the universe, exactly, and the ants have 'appeared' around them, and extend outwards to the borders of the universe (and beyond depending on how dense they are).
Obviously the ants have tiny space suits, and the marines have suits that somehow convert solar energy into infinite breathable air inside their suits or some shit.
So, the marines (logically) form a sphere around the center of the universe, and activate their weapons as the ants advance.
(let's replace 'flamethrower' with plasma beam or something, since flamethrowers would be useless in space)
As the ants are killed, over the octillions of years the epic battle ensues, the stronger, more plasma beam-resistant ants will be naturally selected. The freakishly largew and intelligent ants will survive, breeding at the fringes of the mass...(will continue)
>>700450068
Well, depends how smart the soldiers are, and how they use the flamethrowers, if they are you're basic soldiers or better then obviously the soldiers, FlameThrowers are OP against Ants.
>>700450780
But what happens after the fuel runs out?
>>700450691
dont bother writing more before you read the rules, no breeding and the battle takes place on an infinite flat field.
Obviously OP doesn't really have a handle on the quantities that he's casually throwing around here. The whole mess would collapse into an incomprehensibly huge supermassive black hole under the force of its own gravitation.
Is a peace treaty out of the question?
>>700451250
>read the rules
>>700451323
Yes.
>>700451250
>no black holes
>>700448917
Ants win.. too big of a number for us to even comprehend
>>700450691
(cont'd)
>>700451079
fuck the rules, I'm having fun
As the marines begin to run out of fuel (let's ignore how they bred/ate/slept/fought in shifts for 900 octillion years; maybe they made a pact with cthulu to siphon energy from another dimension to power their matter replicators or some shit), the ants send forth their most beastly warriors.
After so many aeons, the ants have mutated, and grown more intelligent. After failed attempts to treat with the humans as the plasma beam onslaught continued, the ants' consordium of emperors (for the ants long ago split into tribes and began civil wars amongst themselves for the universe's resources), decide that the human threat, which has been growing as the ants' numbers have decreased in said civil wars, must be expunged once and for all.
The ants wait for the marines' fuel to wear out. Since their 'handguns' (lets be generous and say 'plasma pistols') are far less effective, and the humans have spent so much time fapping on 4816chan rather than developing new weapons.
Then, the ants simply smother the humans with their vastly greater numbers. They vibrate (like bees encasing a wasp), and raise the temperature of the human horde until fusion occurs, transforming the marines into a star.
Even if the fight had occurred as OP described, the ants would have overwhelmed the humans by sheer mass, clogging any weapons they were using, no matter how advanced (unless the humans had a strangelet bomb or something not in the previous 'rules).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham%27s_number
>>700451250
>>700451365
>>700451389
damn guys you were fast to call him out on hes bullshit.
I actually do have a handle and that is why "no black holes" is in the rules, its supposed to be a battle.
>>700448917
As absurdly huge as a googolplex is, it is utterly dwarfed by Graham's number. Even with all that time and AoE potential, the marines are gonna be completely overwhelmed. This isn't a battle, it's a one-sided massacre, and the ants will come out on top.
>>700451564
Isn't that number like as big as the universe or some bull shit.
>>700451365
>>700451389
You don't get to sidestep the unintended consequences if your insipid 'ants vs marines' scenario by citing whatever bullshit rules you pulled out of your pasty hairy ass. Fuck you and fuck your rules.
>>700451905
If you took every single atoms in the known universe, expanded it to the size of our known universe (so a universe for every atom), then you made even atom in all these universes a digit, you would not have enough digits to write out graham's number.
>>700452190
the blackhole rule is in the description
>>700451522
No black holes my ass. This whole asinine thread is a fucking black hole.
>>700452352
that is also true for a googolplex, what is your point?
>>700448917
What kind of ants? Are the a tad aggressive from the start?
>>700451905
Put a number on one proton, you could not put Graham's number in the universe. A Googoleplex
can't even fit, and it is as far from Graham's number as a googoleplex is to us.
>>700452663
They only live to attack the marines untill they die.
>>700452659
Grahams number is bigger. It's probably Google plex to its own power. Day9 the starcraft guy had a pretty decent explanation although it's a tad long. Want the link?
>>700448917
The ants. Graham's number is mind boggling
>>700452940
But we talking black ants? Honeypot ants? Bullet ants? Spicy boys?
>>700452941
seen it, and many other explanations of it, but do give us the link.
The whole reason i make this thread is to get people look this shit up on their own.
>>700452362
Then in that case, the obvious outcome of OP's scenario is that the ants infest his anus while the marines jack off on his face.
>>700450901
Better start stomping.
>>700453041
just normal ants, it really makes no difference here, you could take the smallest and there is and it would not make a tiny bit of difference.
>>700451905
A googol (10^100) is a decent guesstimate for the number of elementary particles (electrons, quarks, etc.) in the observable universe [citation needed]. A googolplex (10^googol) is so unimaginably huge that it's pretty much futile to compare its size to the universe itself, let alone anything in it. Graham's number is so absurdly ginormous that it dwarfs a googolplex to an even larger degree than the googolplex dwarfs the universe.
>>700453278
what happens when your boots get so worn they disappear? could you stomp ants on your bear feet for an eternity?
Ants.
Graham's number is so large that we can't visually represent it in our observable universe even if each digit was as small as a Planck length
>>700453546
also true for a googoplex.
>>700453452
They won't. Military issue boots would outlast the person using them.
t. I have a pair and they've been through shit
Eventually the Marines will have enough dead ant matter to build a dome to stay safe inside, the ants will get bored and start killing eachother because they are retarded ants, once there's like 100,000 ants left the Marines will break their way out of the ant-matter dome and kill off the rest of the ants...
Ez win for Marines.
>>700451564
This Anon has a pretty good idea of one of the issues. The number of ants may as well be infinite. However I disagree with the conclusion.
1 googolplex marines arranged in a circle on this infinite flat plane would have an an almost incomprehensible radius. Even if the ants were to march unopposed towards the center it would still take them a googolplex/googol years at the very least. This is how much time the marines in the center have to come up with a plan to stop the ants indefinitely when their only materials are their equipment and 900 octillion years of flamethrower fuel and several hundred googolplex pounds of flesh and bone. We might not be able to comprehend a perfect defense against an effectively infinite wave of ants but after a that much time the marines might be able to figure it out.
TLDR
The marines have a ton of time to come up with the perfect defense.
>>700453783
have you tried using then for octillion years?
yeah i doubt they could last that long even if they were made of neutronium.
>>700454046
No person could last that long. Stop being retarded.
soldiers will need food and water to survive so i would say ants... they would eat each other and there's an almost infinite number of them so yeah ants
>>700453955
but to make that case you have to demonstrate that a perfect defence is not only possible, but inevitable and would not fail if a human made an error, it would take an almost infinite time to kill and almost infinite amount of ants.
And this is all ignoring the fact that the marines would have killed themselves BY CHOISE in a couple of years at most.
>>700451522
How are black holes made, and why does it involve ants
>>700454620
damn it, just saw the no death to hunger thing
>>700451476
>transforming the marines into a star
Mamma always told me I'd be a star someday. I just didn't think she meant it literally!
>>700454276
well in this scenario they do, so you stop being retarded and answer the question, what would you do after all your equipment is gone?
>>700448917
>getting mad when people don't follow your idiotic 'rules'
Ah, summer
>wouldn't lighting a bundle of ants in the ocean of ants be enough to cause a chain reaction of flaming ants ocean?
>wouldn't the ants melt under the heat of the burning ants, cause a molten ant ocean?
>wouldn't the friction of the ant ocean create heat rivaling a quasars butthole?
>is this fight not basically a molten ocean vs a mound of burning man flesh?
>did i forget to unequip my retarded helmet?
H-Help me Grape Chan, I need your love..
>>700454638
black holes are made with enough mass, with basically infinite amount of ants, a black hole would be inevitable.
>>700453783
Military issue boots didn't even last me a single fucking fire season.
>>700454865
1. its a battle so even if that was true it would be ignored to make the battle possible.
2. ants burn endrothermically, meaning they absorb heat instead of spreading it.
>>700454865
omg fuckin 5 star post. i laughed heartily
Easy, just make all the ants do the spiral of death
>>700448917
he buck discipline thirsts next to a medium bug of he junk spans a crossroad but army a he feminist reigns on top of the dirt!
This is a YLYL thread now because that's all it's good for at this rate.
>>700455166
>>700451476
>fuck the rules, I'm having fun
I like you.
>>700454865
heat of fire won't the triumph abort?
>>700450691
SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH YOUR FANCY SCIENCE TALK.
>>700448917
Grahm's number is orders of magnitude more than all the number of all atoms in our universe combined. If there were ants equal to Graham's number, and laws of the universe were consistent with live Marines and ants, where flame throwers could operate, than the mass of the ants would condense into a point of space taking the marines and flamethrowers with them.
>Both sides would be 100% annihilated, so both win and loose the same amount.
If the ants were sufficiently spread thin enough not to gravitationally collapse, the expansion of space would make it impossible for most of the ants to travel to the marine's location, then the marines would win against the googleplex or so of relevant ants.
>>700454636
Suicide would be a huge issue yes. However there are MANY marines. Even if only one out of a googol has the mental fortitude to deal with an eternity of attacks by ants that still leaves an arbitrarily large number available to fight.
As for a perfect defense I can't fathom it. I doubt any of us can. But then again I doubt a caveman could fathom landing on the moon, or flying through the air, or even machines powered by lightning. And the Marines have SO much longer to come up with a plan. It would almost certainly be incomprehensible to us.
The marines because you can make a smore out of Graham's number then use the flamethrower to cook.
>>700454984
A planet doesn't have enough mass to cause a black hole itself? How was this theory proved.
>>700456178
treasure postpones the earned garden outside the outcry leaps a complex.
If marines didn't need to sleep, they would win.
But marines need sleep apparently so the ants could win.
Stick win every time
>>700456224
Anon speaks true
>>700456185
no im not saying you need to tell us the perfect plan, i just want you to tell me why it would be even possible, because i dont think it would be and tbh i dont think you do either.
or can you really tell me you believe it to be possible for a human to kill an infinite amount of ants?
ANTS WIN
>>700456224
can my desire touch its doubt?
>>700456224
graham's crackers
>>700454984
A black hole occurs when a dying star runs out of fuel and collapses in on itself. If it's a star full of flame resistant super ants it will be a massive black hole called uranus.
>>700456330
not a planet, a star, which is just a planet but so big it heats up and starts the fusion reaction and starts producing light.
Do you even know what a black hole is?
"Graham's number is an unimaginably large number that is an upper bound on the solution to a certain problem in Ramsey theory. It is named after mathematician Ronald Graham who used the number as a simplified explanation of the upper bounds of the problem he was working on in conversations with popular science writer Martin Gardner. Gardner later described the number in Scientific American in 1977, introducing it to the general public. The number was published in the 1980 Guinness Book of World Records which added to the popular interest in the number.
Graham's number, although smaller than TREE(3), is much larger than many other large numbers such as Skewes' number and Moser's number, both of which are in turn much larger than a googolplex. As with these, it is so large that the observable universe is far too small to contain an ordinary digital representation of Graham's number, assuming that each digit occupies one Planck volume, possibly the smallest measurable space. Even power towers of the form are insufficient for this purpose, although it can be described by recursive formulas using Knuth's up-arrow notation or equivalent, as was done by Graham."
The volume of the ants would be larger than the entire local plane, the mass of the ants would instantly collapse into a black hole killing everyone and everything in a radius probably measured in billions of light years. The relativistic jets from this singularity would sterilize a large quantity of the rest of the universe with intense x-ray blasts. There is a possibility that upon merging with the supermassive black holes at the cores of the galaxies that it devours that it could devour the entire universe in a runaway chain reaction of mass increases. This may or may not cause the universe to restart itself as all matter is broken down to it's simplest form and compressed into a single point.
>>700457159
Ma bum?
>>700457249
so much research and still didnt bother to read the damn rules.
what a shame
>>700456442
He is right tho, even if you can't understand.
>>700448917
The winner is, and always will be this
>one magma
>>700456224
But where would you get the marshmallow and chocolate?
>>700454797
Eat them
>>700448917
yeah, you can kill a lot of ants with enough fuel to last 900 octillion years.
one little match and a couple drops of fuel can kill hundreds of ants no problem. and when they're all close together, they light up like a christmas tree.
i know someone who fell asleep near a fire ant bed and got stung hundreds of times by a huge nest and they were pretty much back to normal in a few days. i know it's a large number of ants and all, but they'd just burn like hell even after 900 octillion years, all the way until the flames reached whatever hole they were crawling out of and just keep burning and burning and burning and so on. ants are one of the more flammable insects tbh.
Most of science is fake...
>>700456178
>Both sides would be 100% annihilated, so both win and loose the same amount.
>loose
Behold my theorem that proves man can be intelligent and stupid at the same time.
>>700456739
The defense doesn't have to be perfect enough to kill infinite ants. Just 'perfect' enough to kill Grhrams number. I'm not going to even try to comprehend how big it is so I'm just trying to go with the marines defending against an effectively endless onslaught.
I think, given enough time they would find a way to block them almost entirely. If their wall reduces a 'wave' of a googol ants to only 1000 then a few marines could mop them up. Or not. There could just as easily be a just as effective second perimeter. So those 1000 ants are thinned to only 1 ant every billion years, which ends up biting a marine and getting splatted.
>>700448917
ants would win. the ratio of ants vs marines is incomprehensibly in favour of the ants. we're talking far more than trillions of ants per person
>>700458361
where is the intelligent part tho? he didnt even read the rules.
>>700458506
Yeah that was totally just an opinion and he read the rules because thats your opinion right?
>>700456330
A black hole is formed when matter collapses within its Schwarzschild radius. Essentially, you compress the matter until its escape velocity exceeds the speed of light. IIRC, any amount of mass can accomplish this. What matters is the density. Thing is, if you don't have all that much mass, the structural integrity of the matter will prevent a collapse.
The "usual" way to get around this is to gather a shitton of mass so that the matter can't withstand the gravity anymore. Planets aren't nearly massive enough to collapse into a singularity on their own. IIRC, the Schwarzschild raduis of the Earth is 4mm. So the event horizon of a black hole that is as massive as the Earth would have a radius of 4mm (~0.16 inches for you amerifags).
tl;dr: Planets be too strong and ain't heavy enough to make black holes.
>>700458745
>Schwarzschild radius
Otherwise known as the Event Horizon.
>>700448917
This stupid shit again?
>>700458990
no, those arent the same thing, not even close.
with super massive black holes the event horizon in far away from the actual matter inside the hole.
>>700458321
All insects are extremely flammable, I had box elders in some logs outside my house, threw the logs in a pit, lit a piece of a paper on fire, shoved it in a crack, the box elders were flammable enough to burn the log, and subsequently the rest of them.
>>700458668
MAH RULLEEESSSS
>>700453677
Wrong. A Planck length is very, very small. The smallest thing there is. There are more Planck lengths in the universe than digits in googolplex.
Fewer atoms than digits in googolplex though
>>700459523
Your dick must also be a Planck Length to know so much about it.
>>700457743
Very well.
By your rules exactly: You didn't say they couldn't go insane, just that they couldn't die from it. Eventually they would simply allow themselves to be killed.
In the spirit of the answer you want: There would be so many ants that they would be able to swarm the Marines without issue. Real groups of ants which are very large are known to rush over whole forests like locusts eating everything in their path. If these ants are interested in killing the Marines at all it would be to eat them, they are after all, ants. So presumaly they're meat eating ants and would swarm them so goddamn hard they would pile on top of the fallen, they would probably win in less than 30 minutes.
>>700459492
the rules are there for a reason, if we ignore the rules it would just be people basically spamming "black holes"
You can make your own thread if you dont like the rules, or just leave this one if you dont care.
>>700458668
> muh rulez
Those were discarded ages ago.
>>700448917
Graham's number shits on Googolplex, the ants
>>700448917
Ants. Do you want ants? That's how you get ants.
>>700460133
>>700460115
well that is a quite realistic answer, even more realistic might be that the fueltanks just blow up from the heat, but yes marines dont stand a chance.
The reason why i make this thread however is to:
1: get people to research things
2: hear ways to compare the numbers and
3: hear people trying to make the marines win.
>>700461177
>>700448917
Everything would die due to the massive heat caused by so many objects/ gravitational issues
>>700448917
I mean, that's a lot of ants.
a googolplex is only 10^10^100
grams number is so big it cant be represented with power notation and has to use arrow notation (look it up they are every different).
Grams number is 3↑...(this is 64 arrows long)3
>>700448917
marines would win.
There would be a point in the fight that the circumference of approaching ants would be so long that after the point in time the ants beyond them would die of exhaustion, leaving the marines the last ones standing.
But, if you're assuming that physical exhaustion is counted out, grahams number of anything attacking the marines would overwhelm them. Ants would win. There are more ants than the amount of atoms in a googolplex of human marines.
>CTRL+F "EDF"
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EDF! EDF! EDF!
Why have 2 obscenely large numbers? Why not just keep the same ratio but bring it down into understandable terms?
My money is on the Marines. They have size and intelligence on there side. That many Marines could hold out forever
>>700462619
There side? Where?
>>700462008
just no, go look it up before trying to look smart.
>>700449795
Googlplex from my research being roughly 30 seconds of Internet search has 100 zeroes while grahams number has 17 million digits, it really depends how the ants will attach because you could have the men sleep in thirds and if the fuel is in a pocket dimension or not because if they held all the fuel then there's no way. They'd be weighed down too much.
>>700462531
why dont you do the math for me, how many ants would it be if it was just 1 marine?
>>700462970
dude, a googolplex has more than 17 million digits, go do some more research.
>>700451476
>>700461177
Well, another thing is the dead ants would begin to form into carbonized "drifts", constantly recreating the terrain. It would probably become a fatal problem for the marines, such material might be too hot even stand on or might not be stable enough to stand on or walk through. A given Marine might fall into a weak spot to be boiled alive by layer upon layer of hot, melty ant exoskeletons. It might create ash storms, choking and blinding them causing them to die amid a settling darkness full of coughing and confused screaming. Also they might just get so high on flamethower fumes they forget they have hands.
Also, if you look at it as them having a defensive line they don't move a micron away from eventually the drifts of dead ants would be too high up to spray flames on causing the ants to slowly gain ground as layer after layer walked down into the surrounded depression the Marines now inhabit. This would push them into a smaller and smaller space eventually forcing them to be swarmed. Even if it just kept going this mound might periodically collapse under it's own weight showering them with multi-ton "ant boulders"and thus crushing them.
I want the Marines to win but man it doesn't look good for them.
Okay friends, I'll explain graham's number in a way that even you high school dropouts can understand.
Graham's number uses something called arrow notation. If you remember exponents, this is pretty much the same thing. 3 to the power of 3 (or 3 times 3 times 3) can be written as 3^3, which is 27 as most of you should know.
3^^3 is 3^(3^3), or 3 to the power of 27 which ends up to be 7.6 trillion. Look how adding one little arrow turned 27 into something so so much bigger.
3^^^3 is when things get fucked up. Take a 3 and add a 3 above it. Then another and another and another. That stack of 3's is 7.6 trillion high, or enough to reach the sun.
Now try and imagine 3^^^3. Whatever that previous number ends up being, that's how many times you're gonna stack 3's, one on top of the other. Whatever this number ends up being we will call G1.
So let's make G2. Start with a 3 and begin adding arrows. And when we're done adding arrows, we're gonna put another 3 at the end.
3^^^^^^^^^^^^..................3
How many arrows are we adding?
G1 of them.
Remember how just ONE arrow turned 27 into 7.6 trillion? So each arrow morphs the number into something so so stupidly bigger than the last.
So now that we have G2, let's make G3. You'll notice a pattern here.
3^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^...................3
How many arrows are we adding this time? G2 of them!
So we're going to keep doing this, drawing two threes and putting the previous G's number of arrows between them. And then use whatever that number turns out to be as the amount of arrows for the next G. Reminder again that just ONE arrow makes the number completely larger than anything we can comprehend.
You do this until you reach G64. And that is Graham's number.
The ants would win.
I wonder how much space the ants would take up if they were packed in as tightly as possible. Size of an entire galaxy? Larger?
>>700462970
I think you may have confused "googol" with "googolplex" and severely underestimated the size of Graham's number (see >>700453388).
>>700463483
>Now try and imagine 3^^^3. Whatever that previous number ends up being, that's how many times you're gonna stack 3's, one on top of the other. Whatever this number ends up being we will call G1.
Fuck, I meant 3^^^^3. Sorry.
>>700463516
Larger than the observable universe.
Th>>700463599
Yeah I'm on mobile so it might have corrected to something
>>700463782
larger than a googolplex of universes
so much infact i cant put it into a perspective, it would make more sense to put "infinite" in the place of graham's number.
>>700454797
Make a hut out of shit, mud and rocks that's impervious to ants. Dig for water and make a moat. Eat them till they're gone or squish with my hands.
>>700464071
But then just imagine graham's number to the power of itself.
Jesus christ, numbers are fucking weird.
But how fast does fire spread between ants? Assuming they are on a planet bigger than the universe and the ants are trying to encircle the humans, and the fact that there are so many humans. What are the chances of the ants just all combusting? Also there could be all the ants clumped up and not moving and eventually one little flame could kill them all. Also this is fire here. With so many ants wouldn't the humans suffocate from smoke?
>>700458668
How did he break the rules? He made no mention of 'black holes', but pointed out that certain physics must apply for the ants, marines, and flames to live.
>>700464071
>>700464144
Gonna need to see that proven. First of all, are we talking about ants on a flat plane or filling up a 3 dimensional space? Figure it out with an average ant length of 10 mm and width of 2 mm. And go. I'll be waiting.
>>700459434
Wrong nigger. The surface of the Schwarzschild radius is the Event Horizon.
I think the movie name you are looking for is "Starship Troopers".
Also, unlimited food source from the ants I guess. I know they don't need food but they could probably use the ants as some sort of weapon. I don't know, maybe the just crush a bunch in a bad and use it as a throwable weight? There are too many possibilities in this.
>>700464341
this is the crux of the problem with OP's "rules" lol
>>700448917
the gravity of the ants would just form a singularity
>>700448917
US marines all die from friendly fire before the ants even get close.
>>700464735
nevermind didn't read the rules
I think the ants would probably win because it's just such a massive number
>>700448917
Those aren't marines. ACU is the duty uniform for the army, and it's being phased out now.
>>700451476
well okay. but you're not answering ops question.
you're just kinda using the thread to post some fanfic you magnificent faggot
>>700463483
Good explanation.
Stop talking about food for the ants, gravity, black holes, singularities caused by ants. Suspend disbelief and just answer the fucking question - a shit ton of marines vs. a fucking god damn shit storm of ants.
>>700464943
Thanks anon, I'm glad someone read it.
>>700464299
I see your enormous number and raise with xkcd's idea of A(G64,G64).
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ackermann_function)
>>700450901
You idiot, their space suits run on Solar power, being powered by the nearest sun
>>700454636
>...almost infinite amount of ants
You underestimate 'infinite'. Graham's number much is closer to 0 than it is to infinite.
so according to this if you tried to write grahms number in your head you would literally turn into a black hole. jesus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTeJ64KD5cg
yeah but who would win an ice sun or a lava sun, discuss.
>>700465154
The problem is that the question itself presupposes that the laws our universe follows are not valid (Namely, gravitational attraction; you can't just 'turn off' the existence of black holes, they're an inevitable result of how our reality functions, not some sort of optional feature), so there's no rational way to make any sort of supported claim about anything in such an unfamiliar space. Literally any answer is equally reasonable.
>>700463483
So we would add 7.6 trillion 3's to the stack to get to g2?
>>700464910
You were right the first time.
If no singularity is possible, than physics of this universe is not possible, making both ants and marines not possible.
>>700465872
I bet you're a hoot at parties.
>>700463483
>>700464943
>>700465275
Different Anon here. I also approve of your explanation. Keep it up.
ants
>>700448917
So here is my solution
- 1st u need to find how big your googolplex number is
- The Marines have to sleep so only 2/3 of them can fight
- you then need the range of a flamethrower and calculate a big fight circle to have a kill radius of fire
- after that you can calculate how much ants
- you can kill at the same time
- maximum movementspeed for an ant would be speed of light so you can calculate the kills per second
after that you devide by graham and you can see if it is bigger or smaller than 900 octillion years
>>700465154
Even ignoring this everything would die due to the insane amount of heat produced by all of these organisms spending energy
>>700466298
you're dumb shut up
Obviously the Marines would win. They are US Marines, after all.
When the Marines stopped raining down freedom on the ants, the ants would be tame.
>>700466022
I'm not the one asking a silly question on the internet and getting butthurt and whining about mah rulez when people give answers I don't like lol
>>700453916
How has no one realized this is the right answer?
If you actually think this answer is worth answering, you don't understand how big Graham's number is.
The ants would win, easy. Whatever ammount of fuel the soldiers had wouldn't be enough to withstand a fraction of a fraction of the ammount of ants thrown at them.
>>700448917
with your rules marines will win because a marine can kill infinite ants if he has infinite time, ants need special settings to kill a human
>>700448917
marines. a flamethrower would kill a shitload of ants, and keep killing until the sprayed fuel burns out. if the ants keep advancing, theyd burn themselves to death
marines would only need to spray a circle around themselves every several minutes to kill millions, perhaps billions of ants every minute
>>700466439
you don't understand bro? ;)
>>700451476
>Fuck the rules, I'm having fun
I like your style dude
>>700448917
any materials around woods/rocks/water? or just infinite fuckall?
>>700453916
/thread
>>700448917
Graham's number doesn't even fit in the known universe. There wouldn't even be a battle because the numbers involved are inconceivable.
>>700460115
>30 minutes
>>700468335
>The fight takes place on an infinite flat field, obviously not in this universe so no black holes and shit.
NOT
IN
THIS
UNIVERSE
>>700453916
>>700466536
>>700467915
A googolplex of marines won't be able to kill enough ants to make a fortification strong enough to withstand the sheer weight of a Graham's Number of ants. If they tried, they'd be crushed.
>>700462663
top fucking kek
>>700448917
depending on the species of ants they wouldn't attack the marines, googleplex wins.
>>700468500
>NOT
>IN
>THIS
>UNIVERSE
Shut the fuck up nigger
>>700469005
fukku
>>700448917
Since I cannot possibly fathom the number of ant's , I would assume that they will completely overwhelm the marines clogging all of their weapons and smothering the marines in a mass of pulsating insects.
>>700465872
Think of it as a super-realistic computer simulation if its too hard for you to imagine a HYPOTHETICAL, or better yet, if you cant answer the question the leave the thread.
>>700462970
Grahams number doesn't have 17 mil digits bro. Try more like, if every single proton and neutron in the observable universe resembled a digit, there still wouldn't be enough to express the entire size of the number.
you faggots clearly don't understand how big graham's number is.
these faggot marines could build a dome billions of times with domes surrounding the domes consecutively millions of times and the ants wouldn't even need a trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of their ant base to eat through every one of those domes and penetrate these marine faggots
If Trump is president the marines would win as he would make the universe great again.
If Hillary is president then the ants, who are ISIS terrorists, would win.
>>700470149
also true for the googolplex...
Obviously the fucking ants by shear numbers.
>>700448917
So this Graham Number is something like 700 Million or what ? or 3^3^3^3 thats not that big my windows calc can calc this stupid shit #MarinesWin
>>700470288
>>700459523
You're just so fucking dumb.
Ants
/thread
>>700448917
Marines draft Ant-Man. He shrinks down and finds the queen ant and makes sweet ant love to her. She calls off the war.
>>700470261
you're wrong fucking faggot, marines have guns, ants are just ants. marines win. get a brain morans.
>>700471378
>>700471386
Thats something you can quite easilly fix tho and atleast you arent as that guy right above you.
successful bait is successful because people can't wrap their minds around these numbers in terms of ants and people. Think of it as 1 marine vs. a number of ants equal to the number of atoms in the milky way. The answer is obvious.
>>700450691
>centre of the universe
>borders of the universe
Read a fucking book mate
>>700471696
>morans
>marines have guns
>fucking kill yourself
>>700454803
This pasta get's thrown up every other week newfriend
>>700471696
false faggot, marines would run out of ammo and fuel before a trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of the ants were exterminated
>>700472679
no they have plenty of ammo faggot shut the fuck up
#marineswingetthefuckoverityoustupidfuckingfaggotfuck
>>700472546
I remember my first day on the internet too.
what type of ants?
what ever the case Graham's number is fucking huge so the ants win everytime even if they are brain dead
>>700473049
kek good one faggot
ants dude
>>700473339
You must have missed the part where the marines have guns. fucking guns. against ants. marines win, what the fuck is wrong with you people
>>700464882
You a funny mutha fucka, good one
>>700449795
do you understand what stale pasta bait is?
It's settled then. Marines win.
>>700448917
If they killed googolplex ants every planck time for the entire 900 octillion years, they wouldn't put a dent any bigger than your dick in Graham's Number.
Ants all the way. You would have to use the same recursive up-arrow'ing to describe a time period long enough to kill all the ants.
>>700475736
They have guns though, they win, and they'll win fast because machine guns.
>>700468335
>>700468500
Okay fine, rules and shit... Answer then is that the ants automatically win because the Googolplex of marines is fighting against practically infinite ants. You can effectively just substitute infinity for Graham's number.
>The marines have flamethrowers and fuel to last 900 octillion years
So the marines have enough fuel to last, say, Planck’s time against infinite ants.
>>700472546
b8d
>>700473503
>>700474899
>>700475874
ants win faggot, deal with it
>>700472679
b8d
>>700448917
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XTeJ64KD5cg
ants win
ok it's settled, the marines would win of course. /thread
go to sleep
>>700471893
b8d
>>700476441
that dumb fucking commie thinks that if you just had the information of this number in your head it would weigh so much that your head would collapse into a black hole. what a fucking retarded retard.
>>700476441
I don't believe it unless vsauce says it.
>>700448917
Those aren't Marines in the picture and fuck flamethrowers, we have white phosphorus.
marines are unstoppable ministers of death. No amount of ants will stop them. lol stop being stupid.
obviously ants win, end of discussion
>>700451476
>fuck the rules, I'm having fun
>You got plans for Saturday night?
>Oh yeah sure, its going to be soooooo fun XXDDD
>>700476685
Storing information requires entropy, entropy requires energy, that much energy is just as gravitational as mass, inverting E=MC^2.
marines are brainwashed american faggots, they'll prob end up so tired fighting that they'll have hallucinations of big macs and end up eating each other up in a cannibalistic orgy
>>700477204
no, marines win
the marines will probably kill themselves having a debate over the second amendment, and not even a single one of the godly ants will be touched
>>700476685
you're fucking retarded, and this shows that you most ddefinitely cannot science, and this post shows that you can't even comprehend something simple that was just broken down to you. this guy knows though >>700477204
>>700476724
vsauce is nice but it's made for people that can't science. That's why the videos are so damn long; Michael needs to explain every little detail
>>700450691
>>700451476
Holy fuck this was the most 'I am very smart' post I think I've ever read. It makes me upset at how much you overestimate your intelligence
i believe the first 10% or so marines would serve as body shields, and the rest would be able to set up a proper automated defense. Might take a couple hundred years to take care of it, but ants can only collaborate with a couple hundred other ants. Then again, I'm giving the intelligence of humans the benefit of the doubt
>>700477834
> couple hundred years
ITT people think Grahm's Number is just, y'know, a really big number?
>>700451476
>>700467122
>>700455882
Also obvious fucking samefag holy shit
I'm going to assume that ants burn.
Dig trench around Marines
Kill some ants
Get a good fire going in the trench
Ants walk into firey trench
Ants fuel the trench fire
All ants simply walk to their death
Marines don't actually do anything.
There would be so much mass everything would collapse into a black hole. There would likely be so much mass the black hole would make the universe collapse in on itself. then the black hole would explode (yes this is a thing). Nobody wins. And there you have it, the Universe created by formic acid, blood, and other human tissue/ant exoskeletons
>>700478441
It's actually way beyond just a black hole amount of mass. Even collapsed to quark-degenerate matter it's still stupidly many times larger than the ENTIRE universe.
Yes, not joking, a singularity bigger than the universe. Yes, singularities have size because you start fucking with quarks. Probably bigger than a couple googolplexes of universes.
Grahm's number is so stupidly insanely big.
>>700448917
>>700450780
this
The marines would expand outwards wiping out mass waves of ants. the only way the rines could lose, is if they dont efficiently quarter theyr rest periods , so that they are always rested. Eventually the ants would lose
>>700479109
OP specified only 900 quadrillion years. They wouldn't even make a (1/googolplex)% dent in the ants in that time.
>>700478940
he didn't say it's our universe though. that's why I didn't specify size
>>700478940
i'm curious about something, though. don't you need to have a huge amount of mass within a certain amount of volume for a black hole to be created? wouldn't the fact that the ants were distributed along a flat plane prevent a black hole from forming? idk anything about this, pardon my ignorance
>>700479640
even if they were placed in perfect distance from each other just a little wind would offset the balance, not to mention that they don't have exact movement to keep them the exact distance from each other.
It still doesn't matter though. just the fact that there are a grahams number of ants on a planet (or flat plane) is enough to cause the singularity. this is ignoring the marines
>>700450068
It's estimated that Graham's number is so big that if you could picture the entire number inside your head your head would turn into a black hole.
>>700480247
faggot, see >>700465730
Well the only weapon that van help the marines is flamethower since with it they can decimate the ants, with boots they could barely do 1% of flamethrower damage, and with guns 0.1%
Howeverwith boots they risk getting them on their body
Since the best ants for comparison are fire ants lets use them for equation
Since only 1% of popolation will die from few bites of fire ants already we have tenth of a googol soldiers dead
The left 99% have to be covered almost completely to be killed
Since soldiers can work out to create a large circle with flamethrowers out, guns in the middle and sleepers inside the circle, with each being changed every 3 hours
And with an estimate they can destroy as many ants in second as their body volume (around 10^9 or billion ants)
And by that math we have a 1/3 of 10^1000 soldiers killing each 10^9 ants each second for 9*10^23 of years (in one year there's aprox 3.2*10^7 seconds)
Meaning that once they ran out of fuel they already killed 9.504*10^3001ants
Which is nowhere near grahams number
And after they ran out of fuel ants litteraly destroy them with no trouble at all
>>700480350
Tl; dr: ants win because quantity>quality
>>700480350
>Well the only weapon that van help the marines is flamethower since with it they can decimate the ants, with boots they could barely do 1% of flamethrower damage, and with guns 0.1%
Don't be dumb dude. just the hollow shell from the burnt ants is enough to create a black hole. the mass of the ant exoskeletons can't even be calculated because graham's number is so big it can't be calculated.
>>700480350
>9.504*10^3001 ants
And let's be perfectly clear that this isn't significantly much closer to Graham's number than the number 2.
>>700480107
but even if they weren't a perfect distance from each other, how would the fact that a relatively even distribution of ants over an infinitely flat plane create a black hole? i'm just curious about the physics of this scenario. i always thought that energy/mass had to be super concentrated within a specific amount of space for a black hole to form
>>700450691
the marines can not be in the center of the universe, The daemon-sultan Azathoth resides there.
>>700480934
/thread
>>700450691
Wrong faggot, the ants will evolve to worship the 'Sun' in center of their universe and start shitposting
>>700480602
Dude, op said no black hole no nothing outside
We are looking at brute force of googolplex of hoomans and graham's number of ants
Op was clear that rules of physics don't play a role in this fight since it's an infinite plane, marines can't die from starvation or age and neither can't ants
Plus op said no black hole bullshit
I looked at brute force who would win and ants win with no trouble
>>700480688
See >>700458745 for a simplified description of the basics.
>>700448917
it doesn't say shit about no black holes.
would form a black hole
/thread
Azathoth Rulez! No.700480934
>>700481377
>it doesn't say shit about no black holes.
From the OP:
>The fight takes place on an infinite flat field, obviously not in this universe so no black holes and shit.
>so no black holes and shit
>no black holes
Did you even read the post you replied to?
>>No.700480934
>>700480934
Put them off center
Profit when ants come to the center
No.700481692 lol
No.700481794
Total bullshit
ok, lets say that a flamethrower can kill 1 trillion ants per second. after the 900 octillion years less than a googolplexth percent of the ants would be dead. the question is just silly because graham's number is just so unfathomably large that if you had a googolplex factorial to the power of a googleplex factorial, a googolplex factorial amount of times amount of marines and the flame throwers lasted an amount of years equal to the amount of marines and each marine could kill an amount of ants also equal to that every second, after the flamethrowers have run out, again less than a googolplexth of a percent of the ants would be killed. Graham's number is just too mindbogglingly massive to even comprehend how large it is and the only numbers comparable to it are ones that are constructed using the same method.
The ants, obviously.
>>700448917
Most probable thing to happen: Marines burn ants, but there are so many ants that Marines end up burning also.
>>700482334
Tl; dr: way too many ants for marines, maybe if marines had infinite fuel
>>700481149
>>700481149
it doesn't work that way
>>700482477
Obviously
big boot from spongebob
>>700482696
Op said no black holes
In that case: no black holes
What part of no black holes you don't understand: no black, or holes?
Also ants would get turned into gas from high heat
Meaning no black holes dimwit
Ants duuuhhhhhhh... Props though, this has got to be one of the nerdiest propositions ever, fuckin transfinitefag. Its like the aleph null of faggery. Congrats.
Op never stated if they were giant ants or not, so easy fucking win for the Marines.
Also this is some of the dumbest shit I've seen on b
>>700484845
Giant ants mean more oxygen, more oxygen more powerful flamethrowers and stronger marines
Check mate nigger
Aight niggers, so all of 10 secs of wikipedia helped out here...
Graham's number, although smaller than TREE(3), is much larger than many other large numbers such as Skewes' number and Moser's number, both of which are in turn much larger than a googolplex. As with these, it is so large that the observable universe is far too small to contain an ordinary digital representation of Graham's number, assuming that each digit occupies one Planck volume, possibly the smallest measurable space. Even power towers of the form a b c ⋅ ⋅ ⋅ {\displaystyle \scriptstyle a^{b^{c^{\cdot ^{\cdot ^{\cdot }}}}}} \scriptstyle a ^{ b ^{ c ^{ \cdot ^{ \cdot ^{ \cdot}}}}} are insufficient for this purpose, although it can be described by recursive formulas using Knuth's up-arrow notation or equivalent, as was done by Graham. Though too large to be computed in full, many of the last digits of Graham's number can be derived through simple algorithms. The last 12 digits are ...262464195387.
Iz thred ded?
>>700486292
Your points is?
There is no debate here, ants win hands down. Anyone who says otherwise has no idea how massive Graham's number really is.
>>700487083
If marines had infinite fuel they'd have an upper hand and a high possibility to win, otherwise ants win
>>700486292
But... but.. but if I add one more digit, then I get a number even larger than Graham's number. So Graham's number isn't the biggest of them all.
>>700457159
>>700456330
actually a tennis ball has enough mass to create a black hole... black hole isnt about mass its about density... once you get something dense enough.. the gravity becomes too strong for light to escape and you have a black hole. physics 101
>>700483344
no black holes is like saying no physics. no physics means this thought experiment doesn't even work
What if the marines get airdropped fresh flamethrower fuel at a rate of grahams number of litres every second BUT the ants are reinforced by TREE(3) ants per hour?
Who wins then?
>>700448917
>The observable universe is too small to contain Graham's number if one number occupies one Planck's unit
>the amount of ants equal to that number would not fit inside the observable universe
>googolplex of marines would fit inside the observable universe
>both sides lose because space is 99% vacuum therefore ants and marines not situated oin Earth would explode
>>700489832
both sides lose?
if there is more ants than marines then marines win because ants would have larger losses
