Why do you believe in God despite there being a complete and utter lack of evidence for it?
>>699489633
platypus
>>699489633
Faith.
Now kill yourself.
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>>699489737
Faith means just what I said. There's literally nothing more to it than blind belief.
You throw that word around like it actually holds some value to it.
Because girls are sexy
>2016
>Religion baiting
Kill yourself.
>>699490174
Theist feel something that they believe is god.
I'm agnostic, so can't tell you exactly what it is they feel, but it's just as valid to them as your need for evidence is to you.
There is no middle ground. Live and let live, or spend forever in fruitless arguments where neither side will give any ground.
>>699489633
Because theres evidence for it.
>>699490985
nah
>>699489737
That's not an answer. Faith literally means "belief without evidence." So you basically just stated "I believe in God despite there being a complete and utter lack of evidence for it because I believe in God despite there being a complete and utter lack of evidence for it."
At least search yourself for an honest answer - you believe because it makes you feel good inside. It serves a psychological need that you have. That's it.
why do you keep trying to be an edgelord even though no one gives a shit
>>699490535
I was once a believer in God. I never felt anything that I believed to be God.
I merely believed in him due to being brought up in a Christian family.
When I grew a bit older I started to actually look at things with an open mind though.
>>699489633
God or not, we all die. Just live.
>>699489633
>Be me OP
>feeling edgy
>strap on my tard-safe fedora and boot up my scat and cum covered macbook
>get on 4chan
>make retarded thread denying the omnipresent diety responsible for creation
>much euphoria is had
>FF to deathbed
>die accepting no afterlife
>think oblivion awaits
>see light
>soul ascends to heaven
>greeted by creator
ANON, IS IT TRUE YOU DENIED ME ON EARTH
yes, lord, but how was I to know?
YE OF NO FAITH MAY NOT ENTER PARADISE
>spend eternity in hell, where no one is allowed to ever tickle
>rue tickle-less existence for all of eternity
>feelsbadman
Repent and thou may be tickled OP. It's not too late.
>>699489633
More evidence for His existence then Big Bang theory or evolution, do your own reaserch before you open your mouth newfag
>>699492482
with God people die quicker is all.
(Israel bombings etc).
I just want people to be able to live out their whole lives without them being cut short. I'm just here to help.
>>699492791
Ass ravaged fedora fag detected
>>699489633
you are talking about the highest power, how do you want to measure it to get your evidence?
which evidence you want? his toe? a piece of his beard? if you think god is a superhuge guy in a white robe floating in space, you are the stupid one here. Is the best case god is a "spirit" and as far as i know there is no tools for that field.
>>699491762
Hold up, i got you covered. Let me post proof. Just know that you cant be retarded and understand it at the same time. Its pretty heavy.
http://alexanderpruss.com/papers/LCA.html
Boom have fun.
>>699493078
By disproving evolution.
>>699489633
only because there is no solid evidence, only hints to it that lie within understanding things that were far beyond our thoughts once and are now being science fiction. This is the perfect environment in which free will can be tested without risking exposure of an entity whose very presence mandates obedience.
or without proof there is a realm in which salvation may come by faith if that faith is great enough to lead to blind moral obedience to one code of ethic:
Love God with everything he gave you, and out of that love for him, serve others and love them.
>>699489633
It is a test of faith.
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>>699494260
hi gay bois
>>699494200
Yeah but everything is a test of faith to you guys.
>>699489737
ive got faith in that pussy finding my mouth in the next year. doesnt mean shit.
>>699492668
>newfag
get the fuck out of here
>>699492453
So you're not a theist. There's probably atheists raised to be non believers who later become believers.
Theism/atheism isn't a lifetime occupation - just what you feel/believe any given moment.
There are people who hold true to their faith in even the darkest of times. It gives them strength. In a way, I envy that although I don't share it. I'd never look to take that away from them just because I don't believe in anything.
Similarly, there are atheists who strive to find the truth of things in the face of inexplainable phenomena, and I admire the dedication and thinking they put into it.
Ultimately only you can decide where you stand, and no one else.
>>699493609
Is anyone ever going to reply to this ever? I post it quite a bit and no one ever responds. Its solid fucking data.
>>699495094
>Ultimately only you can decide where you stand, and no one else.
yes but you can still mock others for being stupid
>>699495094
It seems to be a lack of critical thinking that causes people to believe in God.
i.e. Women don't embrace logical thinking as much as men do and statistically more women are religious than men.
Another example: Universitities are places of critical thinking. Univerisities also happen to be places where a very small percentage of people are religious.
>>699495344
No one will ever reply to this as its too long to read, and we all have the attention spans of doges...
Plus - it's written in a very sanctimonious way. I got a paragraph in and think the author is a cunt. I'm not reading the rest.
>>699495600
True. You can mock others for being too stupid to see there's no evidence of a divine being, or mock them for being too stupid to understand some things need to be taken on faith.
Either way, you're simply being a cult-fag.
>>699495999
>too stupid to understand some things need to be taken on faith.
>>699492530
ahahahaha believers are just a bunch of cowards
>>699495707
Come on, now - you don't really believe all statistics are pure do you?
What are the sources on those nuggets? Without looking into it myself, I'd be surprised if the uni one wasn't found by sometime with atheistic leanings. "Look guys, smart people don't believe, ipso facto believers are by default stupider".
ALWAYS consider the source. It's lazy to assume the people who oppose your view do so because they're not clever enough to understand.
>>699489633
It's yours to disprove. What is your evidence?
>>699496203
From their point of view.
To remind you, I have no stake in either side of the argument. I don't believe in god, nor do I deny the possibility of its existence.
>>699495707
Universities haven't been places of critical thinking in 40 years. You either conform or you're out.
Absence of proof does not mean proof of absence.
That said, I choose to believe because it is comforting to the part of me that worries of the possibility of a hell. Also, it helps me stay on track with moral duty.
>>699496568
Yeah agnosticism is a cop out. You realize there is no God but don't want to be associated with atheism and it's stigmas. You're not only a godless heathen but a coward.
>>699496541
basically I formed my whole decision to become an athesist on this 30 second video of dawkins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjxZ6MrBl9E
>>699495746
Writing styles shouldnt keep you away from information, anon. Thats lazy. Besides, i cant even sense what youre talking about. How is any of that sanctimonious? Just because people have trouble understanding it doesnt mean its wrong.
>>699489633
I don't...
>>699493630
>Disprove my theory
(Not guy you replied to)
You're a closed minded, brother.
Open your mind and you may find the light. God will call upon you someday.
>>699496893
Not at all - it's as valid a stance as either side.
I don't believe in a god (never felt his presence, never witnessed a miracle), but I've yet to hear proof as to why he doesn't exist (other than "you can't prove there's one so there isn't one").
I have no strong feelings either way so don't see why I have to take sides in a fight I don't care about.
>>699497288
no, i was closed minded when I was a christian.
This is my post
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>>699493630
FAGGOTS. THERES NO NEED FOR THIS FUCKING THREAD.
READ THIS SHIT
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>>699497195
It's not a 'writing style'. It shows that he's biased and has an ulterior motive.
>>699497752
Point it out and ill agree with you.
Either way, if hes right, hes right, and we can all move the fuck on. This fucking topic is everywhere irl and on the internet.
read the book of psalms
>>699497882
He wants to feel morally superior to others and this affects his ability to objectively asses the evidence
>>699489836
I can't tell if bate or the newest form of newfag
>>699497514
All atheists acknowledge that there is the possibility of a divine being and simply determine that it's existence is incredibly unlikely. You have done the same otherwise you would be bowing and scraping in a church/mosque/temple too.
>>699489633
Because I cannot accept scientifically proven facts. I can believe in an all powerful being that rules over our lives yet never interferes to help or give advice. Yet I cannot in all good consciousness believe our world is round or that we are not the focus of the universe. Also dinosaurs are just a lie started by satans "scientists" to confuse the good Christian man and woman.
>>699497973
Point out WHY youre making these assertions. Just because you feel someone is one doesnt mean they are. Quote him and use logic.
>>699497597
lol go fuck yourself
>>699498244
If you dont want to think during your lifetime, just kys. Or at least go into hard labor so youll be worth a damn. People who dont think are a huge problem everywhere.
Theres no point even being in these threads without thinking unless youre just here to shitpost, which is actually the probable situation.
>>699497195
It's published in a Theist publication, and deliberately taking a scientific approach. In the second paragraph he starts coining terms for new arguments (quite a bold step, as my understanding is you put forward arguments and [once peer reviewed and agreed upon] they're named after the original author), and it slowly goes downhill from there.
I used to write essays in the same way. I'd think up an idea, and then find the references that back it up - but I make sure that the ideas fall along the lines of the lecturers (or in this case he publishers). It's disingenuous and I have no time for it. Laziness doesn't even come into it, as I can use the time saved reading something I will enjoy/that will enrich me
>>699490174
I have Faith that Penguins are the mighty
rulers of Earth and actually they fit inside
people skins and run the major banks.
nobody knows shit
>>699489633
quantum physics.
>>699489633
> Evidence
> Supernatural
Choose one
I believe in God because there's no way Jesus could be real if God wasn't real.
>>699489633
Why do you believe there's no God despite there being a complete and utter lack of evidence disproving Him?
>>699498151
No. The term literally refers to someone who believes there is no god (note: I'm not taking the piss using the term believe in that).
If you think there's a possibility but don't believe in a certainty you're agnostic. I know ta not as fashionable as atheism, but it is what it is.
>>699498445
If you tell people to kill themselves so often you need to use an acronym to save time, maybe you should reconsider who should really be killing themselves.
Also I didn't even click the link, let alone read any of it. :^)
>>699489737
Penguin Faith
You just got Owned because i Can see
Penguins when do you see god
When you die
When you about to die
When you Almost die
When you died and get brought back
>>699498239
im speaking for the guy that said he read some of it
>>699498625
I'm going to change my name to
Jack Shit
Because you don't know me
I notice that chinese and black girls always strip the girl they're beating -- i fucking love it. More women should fight that way
>>699499049
They have to check for Penis
They don't have faith that if it looks like a women it is
putting this out there
THAILAND
I really hope the whole world gets to see Seyfried's nice pussy and thighs. Keep this thread going!
>>699498835
That is dumb as shit. Obviously there is a possibility that there is a divinity if there is no way to prove there is NOT a divinity. We also can't disprove that our universe doesn't exist inside the belly of a giant space turtle. You're just trying to relabel atheism as something it's not so you can separate yourself from it. Face you little assfaggot.
>>699492530
Pascal's wager?
>>699498470
Keep reading. Does that new argument (im assuming youre talking about the glendower problem) actually work logically? The best part about logic, which is what hes using to argue for his position, is that it works, and you dont need peer reviews except to make sure you didnt create an accidental flaw (which happens quite a bit).
PSR is real. The regress problem is real (by real i mean already discussed thoroughly. I know thats not what real means im just being lazy because im hopping through a bunch of tabs). the only one ive found in the text that hasnt been posited before is the glendower problem, which we could discuss in this thread. The gap problem seems questionable too though, but if the logic checks out, it checks out.
>>699498853
Im well aware that you didnt do shit anon. Not hard to figure out who the stupid people are. also, stupid people are why i use an acronym. You cunts are everywhere.
No where in Recorded history has anyone seen good, Maybe once or twice believe they've spoken to god but never seen this is explained as a seizure of a type
>>699499287
Tell that to the other 99.999999% of atheists, then - as they clearly didn't get the memo.
>>699489633
Because it seems everytime I stray from the teaching of the Bible, my life goes to shit.
> I recently stopped masturbation, feel a lot more energized and more intelligent
> I stopped being a pussy around women and now I never get cheated on and actually want to be with me
I can go on for days about how much the teaching of God have done for me. I'd be a fool to believe that all these wonderful things that came to be were all by coincidence.
>>699499859
I think you're confusing stupidity for disregarding the arguments of some guy who thinks he's ended the debate about God's existence with one article IF ONLY SOMEONE WOULD READ IT
Get fucked
>>699499717
No, I'm not going to keep reading.
If he'd written an abstract at the start to say what was involved I might have. I'm not wading through all that text just incase there's something good in it.
>>699500355
You only wanted women more because you weren't satisfying a sexual urge. Causation does not equal correlation.
>>699500355
The bible can be helpful in your daily life. Doesn't mean it was inspired by God though. Just some smart Jews who knew a thing or two about life.
>>699489836
>bringing shitty youtube pastas
summertime is here
*yawn* how boring
>>699500524
Disregarding information for unreasonable purposes is pretty much stupidity. Granted, its not EXACTLY stupidity, but its a symptom of stupidity. No one will read it simply because "They know". At leasrt the other anon>>699500543 gave it a shot. Still didnt read through it cause he feels its not worth his time. granted, all he really did is attack the ethos of the author, but at least there was a rational thought process as to why.
Hes stupid. Get fucked. At least the article is bringing the debate to another area of thought as opposed to the constantly illogical assertions of both fedoras and spiritfags.
>>699493609
>http://alexanderpruss.com/papers/LCA.html
Why do you think this is a good paper? Do you think a random person's website is a good source to find reputable papers?
>>699501086
Starting to think you're Alexander Pruss, and just trying to drum up clicks.
>>699501086
>for unreasonable purposes
Yeah you made a ridiculously, mind-numbingly stupid claim when you posted it so I had plenty of reason to disregard your information.
>At least the article is bringing the debate
but nobody is reading it you fucking mongoloid
>>699501902
whoops misclicked the full greentext
>>699501086
>At least the article is bringing the debate to another area of thought
>>699493829
word salad
>>699501902
no one is reading it because of their stupidity, which is why im calling them stupid. Its not my fault its not part of the debate. If you werent retarded and paid attention, youd understand that most of my posts are either calling out stupidity or telling people to read the fucking text. Ignoring information out of anything less than reasoning is in fact stupid, whether you like it or not.
And the claim i made when i posted it was to attract attention to it so theyd go read the article. Its basically a different kind of clickbait.
>>699502446
lol ur a fagit and you're trying too hard
also disinterest is still not stupidity although it seems to make you feel better so go for it champ
>>699495344
No one is going to dissect that humongous pile of garbage point for point but I can tell you that it is by far and large clevery sophistry. Wordy words that are hard to digest but don't give any evidence except fancy wordgames which at best show that there's a logic gap in language, not a well-substantiated argument in favor of a deity. If you want specifics, point out something in the paper that you think is a solid argument and I'll try to counter it.
>>699502881
>all this lack of conversational substance.
Its bed time. You tried.
Also lol at disinterest. Hes in a fucking cyclical b8/deb8 thread. As i pointed out earlier, hes either a shitposter or stupid (indicating that its bias and not disinterest like the other anon), and if hes a shitposter, hes posting stupid ass comments, as a shitposter should.
Also, serious try hard comments generally get the most (you)'s. Thats what im here for.
>>699503171
>fancy wordgames
that's literally all that article is
If you have an argument of worth you're actually able to deliver it quickly and succinctly as dawkins does here in under 1 minute:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjxZ6MrBl9E
>>699492453
Exactly the same
>>699489633
Wow, is that Beyonce in that pic?
>>699503619
Nah, Beyonce is a big black ugly woman. This is a nice pretty white grill.
>>699503601
I agree. I notice it often that believers will try to overwhelm you with a waterfall of verbosity.
>>699489633
I dunno. I think it may exist. If univers can and life in it, why he dont?
>>699504185
Just because it -can- exist, doesn't mean it actually exists.
>>699504483
Just because you exist, doesn't mean you actually exists.
>>699503171
Alright lets start with the easy ones and well move down to the more controversial ideas. The easy ones will give us a foundation to rest upon.
The basic Leibnizian argument has the following steps:
(1) Every contingent fact has an explanation.
(2) There is a contingent fact that includes all other contingent facts.
(3) Therefore, there is an explanation of this fact.
(4) This explanation must involve a necessary being.
(5) This necessary being is God.
He basically has it set up such that if you manage to prove the first four steps, the fifth is the naturally logical conclusion.
1)Glendower Problem (controversial)
2)Regress Problem
3)Taxicab Problem
4)Gap Problem (controversial)
5)Muh God Proof
So lets start with the regress problem.
Suppose that P is some piece of knowledge. Then P is a justified true belief. The only thing that can justify P is another statement – let's call it P1; so P1 justifies P. But if P1 is to be a satisfactory justification for P, then we must know that P1. But for P1 to be known, it must also be a justified true belief. That justification will be another statement - let's call it P2; so P2 justifies P1. But if P2 is to be a satisfactory justification for P1, then we must know that P2 is true But for P2 to count as knowledge, it must itself be a justified true belief. That justification will in turn be another statement - let's call it P3; so P3 justifies P2. and so on, ad infinitum.
Apparently fagboy Alexander thinks he solved it.
Next post is his basic argument for this. this post was for context.
>>699504644
Mature response
>>699489633
>it's a god divides itself into all of us and forgets because otherwise it's lonely episode
>>699503601
>dawkins
You mean the michael bay of intellectual thought? If you explain something this complex in less than minute, its flawed.
Also, im not supporting creationism here. Im talking about the idea of a first source, proven by logic.
>>699504760
Same as yours. I never seen you so you don exist for me.
>>699504758
>(1) Every contingent fact has an explanation.
Sure
>(2) There is a contingent fact that includes all other contingent facts.
We don't know, it could be an infinite regression of facts.
>(3) Therefore, there is an explanation of this fact.
Again, we don't know
>(4) This explanation must involve a necessary being.
Why?
>(5) This necessary being is God.
Why?
You're not properly establishing any framework here.
>>699490468
this this this
>>699505029
did you not understand what Dawkins said in that video?
>>699504758
The Big Conjunctive Contingent Fact (BCCF) p, which was the conjunction of all contingently true propositions, perhaps with truth functional redundancy removed. By the PSR, p has an explanation, call it q. What is q like? There are two general options. Either q is necessary or q is contingent. If q is contingent, then it is contained in p, and since q explains p, it follows that q is self-explanatory. Thus, q must be necessary or else contingent and self-explanatory.
So, all that sounded like absolute sophist drivel, like other anon pointed out, however, we have to take it a step at a time. This is thinking. Not media pushed bullshit here.
Best place to start would be defining PSR (principal of sufficient reason) and BCCF (Big Conjunctive Contingent Fact).
So, PSR, heres a link in case i cant explain it correctly, because trust me, i never get to debate this shit. Everyone is too worried about football or politics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_sufficient_reason
It basically means that there is a reason for everything given sufficient data. For an event, there is a reason for said event.
>>699505226
I havent even started. I was just telling you what were going through. Since im parsing some other faggots data, and because its easier for me to think in said way, im working top down. Im giving you the skeleton structure of what were working through, and then giving you details for each one.
>>699505144
How is my response immature? I never said it doesn't exist. My implication was we don't know if it exists or not. What follows then is that there's a burden of proof, which has yet to be met.
As for your comment, it is not farfetched to know you or I exist even though we haven't seen eachother. People use the internet, this is a known fact. You are most likely a person on the other end, as am I on this end. I take that on faith, because I can't be arsed to investigate that any further. It's like asking for proof that someone owns a dog. You don't usually do that.
Furthermore, I can actually prove I'm a person by simply uploading a photo of myself. That's more than one could say for a deity.
energy cannot be destroyed, only transferred atheist ego fag
>>699505725
Honestly, nah, i just looked at the title. Ill watch it. Other debate guy hold on, i gotta watch dawkins.
>>699506047
I'm confused, are you the person who posted that link or someone else?
>>699506084
Problem is that if god exist we cant comprehend him, because hes more complex than our universe. And we just cant see a shit farthter than our galaxy
>>699506733
So then how could you possibly conclude that he does exist if we don't have sufficient (or rather, any) data? Wouldn't it be wiser to abstain from an answer until there is undisputable evidence?
>>699505725
Watched it. First half was on point, the last half was basically just an ad hominem. I dont think you understand my position on the matter. Im not arguing for creationism, nor am i arguing for christianity or islam or any other religion. Im arguing a case for a general God. Do you understand now? Do you finally get it? Im working on getting rid of the rational agnostic position of "We can neither prove nor disprove a general god". I'm not a moron, I believe in evolution. I also believe in the big bang and a whole manner of scientific information, which is why im back to challenge the main narrative idea of DER IS NO GOD ITS NEVER POSSIBRE EVAR.
I need you to realize im not talking about yahweh, or allah or whatever the fuck. honestly, i dont even find most spiritual texts to be even close to reliable. Im using LOGIC. Are we on the same page? you apparently have me pinned as some christfag.
>>699506623
Yeah. This sort of thing isnt just a two bit argument. Its an entire logical structure based on many other peoples works. Hell, its practically a formal logic system, or trying to be anyway. Thats why it makes it difficult to explain without logical/mathematical symbols.
>>699506995
Thus, agnosticism. There you go. You nailed it.
>>699506995
>there is undisputable evidence
how you can prove something that you cant even comprehend? its like an ant will try to comprehend quantum mechanics
>>699507193
it's unfortunate that the only person in here who bothered to watch it was an evolutionist. I reckon it could really open a lot of people's eyes.
As to whether a God exists despite evolution being real, I regard that is being unknowable and not really worth thinking about as you'll never really get anywhere.
>>699507918
thats what hes getting at.
>>699489633
its a lot easier to believe in God than to believe in nothing
God is a bandaid on the ceaseless gushing wound that is our meaningless existence
i mean..if were all just going to evaporate after our lives are over...what does it matter what we believe?
believe in god and an afterlife if you want to...it wont change anything if you do or dont so if it makes you feel better...go for it
>>699506623
So, do you understand the principle of sufficient reason?
>>699507918
So therefore it's true by default? This is where the whole flying spaghetti monster argument comes from. What if there is a flying spaghetti monster that you couldn't comprehend. Would you accept that as truth? Or would you want evidence? The idea is as valid as any of the other gods conceived.
>>699508069
getting at what?
>>699497514
"I don't believe in a god"
A - without
theist - religion (belief in a god)
A - without
ghostic - knowledge
The next time one of you retards says "I'm agnostic, not atheist" I'm going to lose my fucking mind. Learn what words mean you uneducated illiterate assholes. If you don't actively believe in a god, you're atheist. Period.
>>699508059
Except im getting somewhere. Mathematics is an extremely powerful thing, and its the whole reason ive gone full sperg and posted the link here. I cant rely on only myself to parse the data because the text is far too large. Its better to have multiple minds working at it, coming at my logic from every direction.
>>699507832
It's simple anon. Do you believe in a deity?
If no, then you're atheist.
If yes, you're a theist.
Shoehorning in agnosticism as a middleground is nonsensical. A/gnosticism is a position on knowledge, not belief.
>>699508398
nobody cares about your semantics. Its better to operate on a "Believe, Dont Believe, Not sure" paradigm. Youre basically the genderkin supporter of spiritual positions. Just use Male, Female, Other.
Loads of evidence. You choose not to accept it. Jesus Christ could literally come down out of the clouds and shake your hand and you still wouldn't believe so why should I bother trying to gather the evidence for you?
>>699489633
my bait sensor sonar radar omni mk.4.20 is going off the fucking charts
>>699508752
Not the same guy but it's not better. It shows a fundamental lack of logic. You either believe, or you don't believe. It's a binary position. There is no middleground.
>>699508688
But belief is based around knowledge. youre smarter than that. If theyre agnostic, its retarded to make an assertion either way. Thats the point of choosing agnosticism. Making an assertion when youre undecided is foolish.
>>699508333
You didnt get it, right? What kind of evidence is possible for something that is more complex than our universe? Can you get an evidence of 10 dimensional universe, strings theory, etc?
>>699509028
Undecided would by default mean you don't (yet) believe, making you an atheist for the time being. Belief is not based around knowledge at all. I can believe anything I want without knowledge. Doesn't make a well substantiated belief, but a belief nonetheless.
>>699508849
> Jesus Christ could literally come down out of the clouds and shake your hand
I wouldn't need something that powerful. Just anything that would seem like a miracle in the slightest would have me at least considering God as a possibility.
i.e. my dog floating 2cm of the floor for half a second or something.
>>699508976
Yes, but one could just not take a position because theres not enough evidence to go either way. you fags probably just want more warriors for your diametrically opposed belief war. Muh atheism vs religion. a person can be undecided. you can even see it in politics. the undecided person takes the third option, which is either not voting or choosing someone who wont win, essentially wasting their vote.
>>699508752
No, retarded assholes don't care about semantics. People that like to know what the fuck they're talking about care very much about semantics. Since no one is sure if there's a god or not, saying you're agnostic doesn't convey anything meaningful. (except that you're an idiot and are unwilling to call yourself an atheist, as if there's something bad about being part of the population that doesn't believe in unprovable nonsense.) You either believe in god or you don't. Don't be a fucking pussy and say "oh, I'm agnostic!" because you don't want to offend people. It makes you look like a weak minded child.
>>699489633
because how could pretty pink pussy like that exist without a loving and benevolent god?
>>699509324
>just not take a position because theres not enough evidence to go either way.
I think there's a misunderstanding of the word atheist here. It doesn't mean you believe a god doesn't exist. It means you do not believe. Fundamental difference there.
>>699498445
A religious man telling an athiest to think about something logically?
Thats a new one. Take your own advice
>>699509543
>christfag logic
>>699509324
"not take a position"
Wow, are you fucking retarded? I'll just be over here, not taking a position on whether fairies exist. That's how absurdly nonsensical you sound when you say shit like that. There's no such thing as undecided when it comes to the belief or disbelief in something.
>>699509427
oh my sweet child
not everything is black and white
theres no way to prove there isnt a god
and no way to prove there is one
so why try to force yourself to pick between 2 guesses?
>>699509079
No, I understood that. It could be far more complex than we can hope to imagine. But that isn't a free pass.
What I find weird is that you would accept something as true when there is no evidence or the evidence surpasses us. Why would you accept something as true when there's no way for you to verify?
>>699509271
Okay, this works if we consider atheism a lack of belief of anything (cant believe im arguing semantics again, its usually a waste of debate time), however, with the given cultural tensions, atheists always say "GOD DOESNT EXIST" which is an ---assertion---, which implies theyve made the decision to reject as opposed to reserving judgment, like the agnostic.
Again, its all semantics, and the way language evolves over time distorts ideas, which is why were havingt this argument. Just be sure to know the concepts and not just the symbols.
>>699509964
Atheism is not the belief that there is no god. Atheism is the lack of belief in a god.
Belief in X or lack of belief in X, those are the positions you can take. There is no in-between.
>>699509687
Start making assertions with backed up logic and evidence.
>>699508976
Thinking in binary when youre not supposed to is a lack of logic. Look up boolean expression and then other forms of thought. Black and white thinking is a symptom of a personality disorder.
>>699510217
thanks for clarifying atheism for me for no apparent reason.
also, you cant believe that there are 2 possibilities?
sounds like a rough life
>>699509427
Shit man, even another poster piped up about this. Black and white thinking is for little people.
>>699510193
How the public perceives the words should be changed then, because I'm not going to let them shoehorn in 0.5 if all you that's possible is 0 or 1. Otherwise you might just pander to the public and change math to accommodate their lack of understanding.
>>699498768
Mary shagged her neighbour, shit she's pregnant, better make up some bs for my half wit hubby.
Voila, explained.
>>699509787
There is a such thing as reserved judgment because of a lack of evidence. Grow up. Your thought processes are blighted if you cant realize that undecided exists.
>>699510055
We can accept it by a fact that intelligent life is possible in our universe.
>>699489633
Why do you believe something came from nothing when there is no evidence of it and your laws explicitly state that matter can not be created or destroyed?
Fuckin hell people there is no proof I don't have an invisible, no heat detecting, ethereal dragon in my garage but I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist. Since has a law about cutting out the improbable and the non-provable stuff. According to science you mine as well believe in my magic garage dragon if you believe in god. (pic not really related)
![Gnostic_Agnostic_Atheist[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/u5UOA0L.png "Gnostic_Agnostic_Atheist[1].png")
>>699510514
>>699510596
Except there literally is no other position on the claim that a deity exists. Mind you, not believing in the claim doesn't mean you believe the claim is false.
Pic related. You'll find most atheists fall under agnostic atheist.
>>699510850
Jesus Christ here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boolean_expression
http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2009/05/18/cognitive-distortion-how-does-black-and-white-thinking-hurt-us/
Read you fucking embarrassment.
>>699510924
Because life exists, deities exist? That doesn't follow.
>>699511138
/thread
>>699511150
Bohoo you cant see quantum teleportation bohoo it doesnt exist!
>>699511366
Dude, it's not applicable here. Belief -is- a binary position. You either believe X, or you do not believe X. Belief is not a sliding scale. Maybe it's you who is embarrassing himself.
>>699489633
No real evidence against, either
>>699511378
Why deities? Universe exist right? Dont you think its a part of something bigger?
>>699511138
i believe that things can come from a quantum like foam like substance.
Basically the simpler the thing which all things came from is, the more believable it is that that was the thing which always 'was'.
>>699511263
again, part of the problem of this argument is semantics. However, i dont know how many time i have to post this, but if youre agnostic, you dont have to assert anything. I already explained why. If i had the time, id make you some visuals of my own to explain to you things beyond a cartesian understanding. Superpositions exist, which already indicates that there are more to positions on diametrically opposed than black and white. Apply Schrodingers Cat to this argument. Agnostic is when the cat is in the box. claiming whether the cat is dead or not before opening the box is foolish. We dont know either way, so we cant assert whether the cat is dead or alive.
>>699511150
Fuckin hell people there is no proof I don't have an invisible, no heat detecting, Higgs boson in my garage but I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist. Since has a law about cutting out the improbable and the non-provable stuff. According to science you mine as well believe in my magic dark matter if you believe in science. (pic not really related)
>>699511690
Read this
>>699512052
Good ol quantum mechanical concepts just fucking your shit right up.
>>699512210
Yes but probability is not certainty. Thats the difference between black/white thinking and other forms of thought.
>>699512041
So some random things just existed floating in a vaccum of nothingness then at some random point it exploded into many different particles that also have extremely volatile reactions when some of these particles come together.
Ok.
>>699511138
/thread
>>699512052
The assertion that the cat is dead is one claim. The assertion that the cat is alive is another claim.
You're mixing things up here buddy.
In terms of atheism and agnosticism it would go like this.
On the assertion that the cat is alive:
Atheist: I do not believe that the cat is alive.
Theist: I believe that the cat is alive.
Agnostic: I do not know if the cat is alive.
Gnostic: I know the cat is alive.
On the claim that the cat is dead:
Atheist: I do not believe the cat is dead
Theist: I believe the cat is dead
Agnostic: I do not know if the cat is dead
Gnostic: I know the cat is dead
Is this really that hard to understand? It's binary positions for each individual claim. If you're an atheist regarding the claim that god exists, it doesn't mean you automatically believe that god doesn't exist.
>>699512235
except it doesn't
>>699512388
>black/white thinking
You lost me at being an edgy underage fag. You seriously can't go one thread without bringing race into everything?
Fuck off man. Seriously, just fuck off.
>>699512689
yes. it has been mathematically proven that this can occur.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_foam
And unless you can into very high level maths, you won't be able to refute this.
>>699489633
Think of this OP, why do you really think people believe in god and the bible? Because they are cowards. If you aren't a believer, you will burn in hell for all eternity like it says in the bible. But if you do believe, you'll ascend to heaven where there is eternal life and peace. Basically, people are pressured into believing in the bible out of fear of burning in hell. Trust me, if this principle did not exist in the bible, there would be far less christians then there is now.
>>699513059
>mathematically proven
lold
>>699512040
*Different anon*
Quite simply, No.
>>699513370
it's also about sexual fulfillment. Muslims have very strong sex drives and having a bunch of victoria's secret models waiting for them in heaven whose cherries they get to pop is a very enticing proposition indeed.
>>699512040
It doesn't necessarily mean we're part of something bigger. You'd need evidence for that.
>>699513946
>Quite simply, No.
So your neuron is not a part of something bigger?
>>699514162
Neurons are part of our brain. We can verify that. What you're extrapolating does not follow.
>>699513993
Haha exactly anon. Religions tend to have this reward system in which if you do/believe a certain thing, you will receive something in return. This is also why people follow certain religions, because they get something of value from it.
>>699513059
Did you even read that? Are you aware of what the article is implicating and stating? Do you even understand quantum physics?
Lmao
See >>699513860
>>699514162
Watches are made by watchmakers. That doesn't mean rocks are made by rockmakers. You can't simply extrapolate that and present it as evidence. You'd need actual evidence to show that the universe is made by universemakers.
>>699489633
The picture you provide for evidence of your argument is useless. Seems like some irrelevant bullshit to me.
>>699514311
So universe is a part of something. Its logical to assume so.
>>699514821
Do you have evidence to show it is a part of something? If not, then it is not logical to assume so.
>>699512946
Laughed my ass off. Thanks anon.
>>699512779
Are you really incapable of not choosing either option in its absolute form? Were just repeating ourselves at this point.
Heres another way to think about it to help you out. Instead of thinking yes or no in response to "Is God real?", put it on a spectrum of probability, because in reality, we dont actually KNOW whether or not something is unless we directly observe it, in which case were still fucked because hallucinations exist. So, knowing this, we put the chance of something being true/existing on a spectrum from 0% to 100%. 0% is when its completely wrong, which only happens when we completely disprove it via logic and evidence. 100% is when its completely true, no way around it, which i believe only exists in a priori systems right now (formal logic). So most of the time, were somewhere in between. For the things science has proven through experimentation and the such, they lie at about 99.99% because theres still a chance that new data could arrive which flips everything on its head like when tesla or einstein pop up.
So, bringing this new knowledge back to our argument, agnostics say we can not prove (or they dont know) God, which means they believe that the probability is neither close to 0% nor 100%. It could go either way. Do you understand? Its possible to be uncertain about things. You dont have to pick an absolute.
The best way i can stitch my understaanding into yours is to put this 0 to 100% thing on your graph that you posted on the agnostic vs gnostic axis. 50% exists, does it not? Besides, you really only need to be reasonably around 50% to take the position of agnostic that i used (again going back to the semantics. Our definitions are close, but not quite the same).
>>699514696
>That doesn't mean rocks are made by rockmakers
But rocks is a part of planets.
>>699514926
Everyhing saying that it is part of something. Everything is part of something.
>>699500288
tell me what that muther fucking space turtle eats then huh!?!?!?
>>699515535
English isnt your primary language is it?
>>699515057
>Instead of thinking yes or no in response to "Is God real?"
But that's not what we're asking here. The question is "do you believe in god?".
Let me try again.
Do you believe in god?
Yes -> theist
No -> atheist
Do you know if god exists?
Yes -> gnostic
No -> agnostic
Agnostic as a position does not answer the question whether you believe or not. I can't explain it any simpler. If this doesn't work, it's pointless. Probability isn't part of the equation yet at this point.
And no, 50% doesn't exist on the gnostic scale because anything other than 100% certainty of knowledge is agnostic. Only 100% certainty of knowledge is gnostic.
There is evidence of God. I could prove it to you beyond any doubt, but it would require giving you a theory that is of my own creation that I would rather the rest of the world never knows about. It has to do with relativity and something Carl Sagan figured out about the human mind. You can put the two together if you do the research, and then from there you might be able to figure out why you can actually prove God exists. You don't need math, or actual visual evidence. Those are things that animals use as evidence for reality. There is a mental practice, based on those two things - relativity, which we know is true thanks to Einstein (who also believed in God) and Carl Sagan's theory on man's ability to imagine. I would prefer you figure it out on your own and then you will know God is true. You can even receive thoughts from God. He won't talk to you, but you can receive certain information from him/her, whatever it is. Every time I talk to God he comes in a very abstract form because our minds are incapable of seeing his true form. Anyway, now that you think I'm crazy, good luck
>>699493630
Evolution is a theory with very basic problems which are the fact that it's impossible and/or has no proof. (That being abiogenesis of course, and not macroevolution.)
You really think a single celled organism could randomly turn into a huge complex animal over time? Time or not, it's impossible.
>>699515789
yes. but you get what im sayin
>>699489633
Because more things are created discovered or derived from man by accident than can be considered in a lifetime. The more we learn about atoms and physics the more we learn about systems working together the more i wonder if our heaven, hell, angels and god is man derived and considered. But the underlying nature is colder and vast and we are insignificant to consider as a molecule in the ocean.
>>699515782
Nigger do you have any idea how large space is? I know you were using the appeal to absurdity fallacy, but space turtles might be some real shit at this point. The universe is massive and evolution creates some serious curve balls. Just look at us and our civilization.
>>699500288
I think you misunderstand the position of atheism.
2000 years from now people are going to think that magic was a real thing and Harry Potter died for our sins and then vanquished Voldemort
>>699498673
This guy gets it.
>>699515535
That still doesn't mean the universe is part of something bigger. Observation of rocks being part of planets only gives evidence for rocks being part of planets. As I said, you can't extrapolate beyond that and present that as evidence. It is not evidence. It's hypothesizing. You have to provide evidence that your hypothesis is correct.
>>699489633
The evidence is Empirical.
>>699515907
>we can't comprehend What he looks like
>all holy scripts describe how he looks
>>699515933
>>699497147
dawkins explains how that exactly is false here.
it'll take you 2 minutes to watch that. trust me its worth your time.
>>699515933
You're stoned. The evidence is overwhelming.
>>699489737
Failed hard.
Kill yourself
>>699515933
bad bait is bad
>>699516456
it seems to me that the point of religion was to provide some overall decency and civility with the threat of hell as motivation.
>>699489633
Who says I do?
Maybe I am god.
>>699492453
Same. Raised Christian. Got older and saw how cult like and bullshit it is. Consider myself an atheist now. Havnt been to church or anything in about 8 years now.
>>699516802
:0! your the fucker ive been asking for a better job and a bigger tv??!?!?!
If you do not know if God is real OP, then know this and know it is true. Man needs an explanation for reality. We cannot exist in ourselves without wondering why, and then giving an explanation based on our environment. Even the explanation that we exist for no purpose is an explanation for reality in itself. It is part of our nature. Without this we could serve no purpose, no motivation, no desire for life. But all these explanations are man created and observations. Do we truly know if anything is real? You, for example, I am sure know nothing about quantum physics, quantum mechanics especially, or anything that would give a scientific or mathematical explanation of reality. Although these sciences and maths are very basic and are not even close to giving an accurate description of the entire picture of reality, the majority of humans have no concept of them beyond what a conceptual physics teacher might have said in high school, or something they read online, media garbage, etc. Yet you'll grasp to the idea, any idea that explains it. Whatever suits your needs. Some people need God. There is nothing wrong with either one. We all need, and we all consume. It is part of human nature
>>699489633
Because I want there to be a God.
I like the idea of a higher power casting degenerates into the fire.
>>699516534
Those are man made interpretations. And no, not all holy scripts describe him. Some say you cannot behold his true form because it is too much for the mind to handle. There is another meaning behind that. If you're open to a new age concept I could explain it. But I have a feeling you do not believe in God and it would make no difference for me to explain what exactly it means that your mind cannot comprehend the true form of God
>>699515863
Agnostic to gnostic is the same axis. I've tried explaining this as clearly as i can to you, and im unsure how else to get through. all youre doing is restating the same thing over and over again when ive clearly pointed out that ive understood it.
You can assert whatever options you want in a closed system manner, but reality is not a closed system, therefore alternatives to your binary options are possible. Boolean expressions hardly ever work in reality, and they certainly dont work in reference to the concept of god and peoples belief systems. If peoples beliefs are based in probability as opposed to black and white, they can say "Im not sure" or "Both (which obviously doesnt work in this situation unless theres some hardcore paradoxical math shit)" or "neither". I understandn how it works in your logic system. Im just saying that your logic system doesnt apply to reality and human beliefs as well as non binary does. I proved it to you. Go back and read my posts. Better yet, describe what i said to you so i know you understood me properly.
>>699517173
Ive seen her pussy today. Somewhere at b
>>699517079
This post is boring and garbage, you could be 100% on the mark but the way you write is sleep inducing so half of this thread will read 10 words and stop
>>699516553
That doesn't really change the situation. Coincidental or even intentional similarities between species still doesn't make evolution plausible. There is no physical evidence that species are even capable of makin a transition from one to the next.
>>699517079
preach , conceptual physics with mr.Smith brainwashed me for life
>>699517079
Yeah but were here to debate. Anyone who isnt fedora knows that god can be useful for society and that it has deep roots in human nature. However, this is the designated shitting thread for shooting some debate bullshit to help us come closer to our answers.
>>699517505
this whole thread is (trump supporters and racists) vs ( literally anyone else)
>>699517505
It wasn't meant for you to be entertained, boy. Maybe you should go read a comic book and entertain your a.d.d induced mind. This is 4chan, not the Kardashian blog you're used to reading and gossiping about with your retarded friends
>>699517393
In some of the pics it looks more like panties the same color as the outfit.
>>699518029
Man you really need to lay off the politics for a bit. I know its everywhere, but its easily capable of distorting our thoughts. Hell, thats what its designed to do. Not every god supporter is a trumptard or racist or both. I certainly see why you come to that conclusion, but its faulty, probably thanks to the political propaganda shoved in our eye holes every second of the day.
1. Newton's laws say there's a cause to every effect
2. God is generally defined as the cause of existence
3. Since you exist there is the evidence
Now that does not mean god can't be a giant fart or a flying spaghetti monster or a leprechaun, but the evidence that there is a cause is the universe itself.
why some people find it easier to believe that in all things in the universe the universe itself had no cause, is absurd.
I don't understand what are you so afraid of that you invent this "causelsess" explanation for the universe.
Cause and effect.
>>699518122
i believe god came to me in the form of a burning bush,, and he told me there's a cream for it!
>>699489633
By the same logic there's no evidence that a godlike figure does not exist you know.
>inb4 edgy atheist
>>699518122
I deal with the same thing. I just call them retards and move on, and then either not respond in case its a master b8er (or do because lol fuck it shitposting) or continue to bother the piss out of them into oblivion for being so stupid. Its fun shit anon.
>>699516868
Sounds like you had a closed mind the whole time, you just swapped sides in the middle.
>>699517896
Debate with yourselves. All of lives answers are in your mind. Nikola Tesla knew of the core of knowledge. God gave you the tools of life, to live free and to be good on this earth. All of his insight is ready to be tapped in to if you are willing to receive. Satan was given dominion of the physical world, because he was God's highest angel and because he loved him for what he is and knew that he needed physical happiness. This is all metaphorical, but you get the point. You are better off talking to yourself while you shit than you are debating with the people on here. Good night - remember, carl sagan's theory on imagination, and einstein's theory of relativity, research and explore those two ideas compounded and you will figure out the proof of God
>>699517690
so you think god underhandedly tricked us?
If you believe in a magical space wizard then you are literally insane.
>>699489633
Mass, time and gravity exist. The writing's on the wall.
>>699518437
Yeah but then that boils down to the whole "What caused God?" conundrum, which is why im looking for a mathematical, logical explanation for a first source.
The whole bible/quran/old testament shit can go fuck itself though.
>>699518829
>things exist and I don't know why, therefore it must be magical.
>>699489633
Because my daughter died and it's the one shot I have at seeing her again.
>>699518437
that's dumb and you're dumb.
>>699519197
not religious, but for your sake, I hope your right. all the best anon
>>699517392
And I understand what you're trying to say but it's simply fallacious. Being unsure about believing means you implicitly do not believe it (yet). And both (as well as none) as option is nonsensical. You can't believe and not believe at the same time. You can't not believe and not not believe at the same time either. It's not "my" logic system, it's logic. You say "reality is not a closed system" as if I'm personally making these options the only available options, but simple logic dictates it's 0 or 1.
No belief or belief.
If you believe a lot, it's belief.
If you believe a little, it's still belief.
If you don't believe, it's not belief.
Misunderstanding of the term belief doesn't warrant a third or fourth or whatever option. I'm more than happy to keep educating people on what this means, but inserting a third option is nonsense. That'd be an appeal to compromise, which in this case makes no sense.
>>699518702
Not necessarily, thougj it is possible. My point is that you are seeing evidence that isn't there. You say evidence is real becuase of gene similarities, when the idea of evolution itself is flawed. I said that badly. You are providing backup for an already underdeveloped concept.
>>699489633
What's up with OP's photo though? Sweet Mama Juju
>>699519197
I was the same when my mum died. (I'm OP). After 5 years passed and the pain had subsided some, it was no longer enough.
>>699519485
dat assss is all the pruffff i need
>>699519426
There is evidence of evolution at work in this very day. Just look at bacteria and antibiotics. Also look at sickle cell disease in humans.
>>699489633
I dont care about god but why is amanda seyfried lying on a ledge without underwear?
>>699518946
Nothing caused God. God is eternal. Better than what anyone else could come up with.
>>699518946
ok tell me, if there isn't a god, who invented pussy?
maeks perfect sense
>>699518699
Anon, believe it or not, im sort of on the same page. Ive been following tesla for a while, and i sure am glad you said it was metaphorical. Im not there yet, but ive been getting closer and closer to the answers i crave. Its sad seeing all the stupidity all over the place. The more i learn, the more irritating other peoples beliefs become when they have no proof and or are parroted (the main narrative of understanding).
Havent looked into sagan yet though. Good thing i already know about relativity.
Also, im mainly just debating to get used to arguing with the worst of the worst. Ill be doing a lot of debating in the future amongst highly intelligent people and amongst the lowest common denominator of society. No point in learning if youre not going to apply it or if you just keep it to yourself.
>>699519715
God works in mysterious ways.
>>699518946
Yeah, it seems impossible for our brains to grasp that level of recursion but labelling any further enquiry as nonsense is absurd.
Some assume science already has the answer to everything but it only takes a quick look into the current unsolvable mathematical problems to realise how primitive we still are.
I believe science will have the answer to everything but it won't answer anything it doesn't dare to question.
Yeah fuck the Judaic and all other mythologies or idiots who want to force their beliefs (or lack of them) on you.
>>699519898
>>699518209
how come her vagina dissappeared? It was there in the OP's pic and now its gone. Did she run inside and put underwear on?
>>699518209
Is that Amanda Seyfried?
>>699519698
I don't want to be rude but- if you don't know the difference between microevolution and macroevolution then you shouldn't be in this thread. Microevolution exists. I do not dispute that.
>>699518964
Or things exist and I don't know why, therefore things exist because science is the answer to everything
>>699519898
>the graphic at the top
what did he mean by this?
>>699520037
Its a miracle! god took down thats sluts cooochie!
>>699519241
Oh really? Well your mom is dumb
>>699520113
There are literally no biologists alive that believe in creationism so don't act all high and mighty because 'you the science man'.
>>699519908
>but it won't answer anything it doesn't dare to question
What exactly do you mean by this? Because as far as I know, scientists discredit/dismiss the claims of religious due to a lack of evidence. If that's not questioning the status quo of religion, I don't know how you would go about it.
>>699520165
Each vertical grey line represents a book in the bible (Luke, Timothy, Acts, etc) Each Curved red line indicates a contradiction between the connecting points/books.
>>699520274
thats wrong dude, god made anons mom dumb, you should make light of it
>>699520094
Yes. What a beautiful lass
>>699520037
idk. I wasn't there
>>699520116
>science is the answer to everything
Well the entire purpose of science is to explain things, so yes. Given enough time, the scientific process can explain everything. But for the simpleton, i.e. the vast majority of people, it's much easier to just say "I don't know, therefore magic."
>>699520429
Just check the bottom right of the graphic/
>>699520274
>>699520274
>Oh really? Well your mom is dumb
The magical space wizard saw fit to infect my mom with cancer, and now she's dead. Thanks magical space wizard.
>>699520486
well how does science explain all that snow last winter? I mean its called global warming not global cooling! am i right?!?!
>>699520094
apparantly her vagina was eating powdered donuts.
1) The atheists are right
2) The atheists are pieces of shit that nobody wants to relate to
3) The atheists are intolerant of believers because of the atheists' insecurities
4) The believers are believers because of their insecurities
All of these things are true.
>>699519898
>>699520467
I would procreate heavily with her.
She is beautiful.
>>699519803
Ok well I will tell you how to prove God exists, or the idea of God, whatever God really is. Relativity does not just apply to physics, it applies to everything. There is a relative systems function in the universe, meaning that all things big and small must exist in some form from the smallest scale to the biggest, otherwise they do not exist at all. You can take a small example for mankind, like the fact that we created computers. Computers are mimics of ourselves. The internet is like a communication wave, a relative system that can be compared to a wave that exists throughout all the universe. That is just a small example of that theory. Now if you take that into consideration and then something Carl Sagan proved through a thought experiment, which is that man is incapable of having an original thought. He made an experiment where man would try to think of an alien being, what it would look like, what it would eat, what kind of environment it would live in, etc etc, and time and time again it was proven that all the beings created were made of things that already existed that they had seen. This means the human mind cannot blankly create a new thing. We are adaptive, so we adapt and use our environment and create based on that. Now if you take the relative systems theory, and apply this to the fact that humans breed animals together, and then think about the fact that humans are incapable of original thought, then you can think back through man's history and wonder "who taught us to breed" and "who breeded us"..and you will begin to realize something did in fact create us. It is all provable without physical evidence. The evidence is in front of us and within our minds and history
>>699520662
the magical space jeebus cast a spell and we had snow
>>699520298
>there are literally no biologists in the universe who are creationist
Nice bate.
>>699490535
Not alot of people think about it but imo agnosticism and atheism aren't mutually exclusive.
>>699489633
Do you believe there isn't a god despite the utter lack of evidence for it?
>>699520724
She is perfect for bearing white christian children
>>699520695
Babby's first generalizations.
Your first point makes no sense btw. A lack of belief in something is right? It's simply a lack of something. You can't give a truth value to that.
>>699518655
this
>>699520879
i mean which came first the chicken or the egg that had a whole bunch of conflicting scripture attached to it?
>>699520919
i'm so confused. Why would she knowingly enter a photoshoot while not wearing any underwears.
>>699520340
The claims of religions are not scientific, so science does well to ignore them (except social science).
Still the question of the origin of existence lies beyond scientific means.
"You can't travel north of the north pole" is not the answer to what is north of the north pole, as absurd as it may seems, it's just an admission of limitations in language.
Some scientists say asking "where do we come from?" is absurd - as if it was a scientific conclusion. I don't think it is absurd, I just think it's out of reach for now.
>>699520992
>a truth value
Oops. Somebody flunked out of logic 101.
>>699520919
Damn, I'm not pure white.
>>699489633
>>699520992
>>699489633
When you were a kid why did you believe in Santa?
It's like that but for grownups
