Dear Americans,
I do not care about gun control, obamacare, conservative judges or whatever internal thing you want to happen. Just don't back out off the paris climate agreement. Don't be a stupid fuck disregarding all the science about this.
>>711335407
>Americans
>Don't be stupid fucks
.... yeah, good luck there.
American here.
I absolutely hope we don't back out of it.
But do much of this country is full of dumb niggers that u don't see there being enough of a protest to matter.
Our media would rather pander to fear mongering stupid shit.
>>711335407
Trump just hired someone who doesn't believe in Global Warming to be the head of our Environmental Protection Agency.
We're out bitches, this is what happens when someone like Trump gets elected. Maybe now you understand what's at stake during our elections.
>>711335407
Not much we can do now since all the officials that we were capable of voting for have been chosen. Now we just wait to do stupid shit through uneducated politicians
>>711337480
Now you understand that Global Warming and Climate Change are fake crisis created to make eco-libs rich.
I can hear Al Gore crying.
>>711335407
I like how he addresses all Americans as if anyone of us average people have any say on what our government decides to do and not do.
>>711338273
>eating up scientifically disproven propaganda released by oil and coal industries
KEK, WHAT A FUCKING RETARD
>>711335407
Hell no, you know how much joy I will get when the ocean swallows California and the US votes red for eternity?
>>711338273
>those wealthy self-interested eco-libs
>making millions of dollars by... protesting...oil...
>surely the opinions released by the oil and coal industry is legitimate
Holy shit you are so fucking stupid
We need to quit catering to these retards thinking man is changing the climate. One volcano out of the 80 now erupting puts more co2 into the air than all of mankind ever.
>>711338580
are you actually dumb enough to think that's a realistic scenario? I can't tell any more.
>>711338699
How does it feel to believe facebook stories ? http://www.snopes.com/volcano-carbon-emissions/
>>711338699
>CO2 is the only problem
you're stupid, just stop
Industry at the cost of the environment? I dont like saying this, but its happened before, and it will keep happening.
>>711335407
Don't talk to us Americans about this: We don't get a say in this anymore. Trump has both the House and Senate on his side, and will do whatever the Hell he wants to do. Thanks to ignorant fucktards who want to "Make America Great Again" we're all fucked for at least the next four years.
And we're probably going to take the rest of the world down with us.
This is the worst thing to happen to America, and probably the world, since 9/11.
>>711335407
the only stupid fuck is someone who pays for the right to breathe.
>>711337480
sweet, sweet tears.
How come there are no scientific articles available to the public that directly prove climate change. How come only liberal politicians have access to that supposed info. How com people can never actually cite original climate research?
The reason is that the source of all the climate BS IS the liberal media and politicians.
I challenge anyone ITT to find 3 original climate research sources proving climate change. Buzzfeed and AJ+ and Huffpoo don't count. Find a source that doesn't start with an argument for climate change and end with a call to action, because those are argumentative and calls to action, not actual research. Make sure your info is actually about climate change, not something like rising sealevels affect how wet penguin penises get.
So go ahead find some original sources, you can't.
>>711338425
sure kid. for the last eight years I was taxed and not represented.
go fuck yourself.
>>711335407
> science
/sci will tell you based on data global warming caused by humans doesnt exist
>>711338676
you can't own an airline and claim to be ecofriendly.
let that sink in.
>>711339230
>Implying the rest of the world cared about 9/11
>>711338699
the only retard is you kid.
>>711338865
that's the one they want to tax.
we can stop global warming with money.
who would have thought of that.
>>711335407
There are things you cant change. There is no way in hell you can stop south america from destorying the rainforst to support raising animals that cause the highest co2 pollurion
>>711339230
learn Chinese. then spew your shit there.
they are the worst polluters on the planet ATM
>>711339855
load fast, pupper
>>711335407
>Don't be a stupid fuck
>They just made the worst choice they could ever make.
kys OP, you are so naive.
>>711339960
yeah, i love how 9/11 is like the one and only ultra terrible thing that happened.
>>711335407
His 100 day plan is pretty much creating an uncontrolled market. Even to the point of giving federal jurisdiction into private hands and fucking any regulation holding back big industries (climate for example).
So yeah. If they vote for a billionaire to be able to govern then theyre gonna have to live with the 1% fucking them over even more than they already are.
>>711339855
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2995507/
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/slinden/files/journal.pone_.01184891.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwj72YuKnaHQAhXB0xoKHfHGDgsQFggaMAA&usg=AFQjCNF8V_mLGXiTLZb9vRftTdXVQzz8ug
http://journalistsresource.org/studies/environment/climate-change/97-percent-three-key-papers-quantifying-scientific-concensus-global-warming-climate-change
>was that so hard
>>711339855
not sure if trolling or retarded
>>711340078
That doesn't mean we should give up trying to change our circumstances. We're not some third world country.
Yeah we're fucked. We're already at a point where CO2 ppm needs to be dealt with asap, and we elected a man who calls climate change a chinese hoax. Unless one of our allies Jason Bournes him in the middle of the night, this entire planet is going to be neglected at a point where it matters more than ever.
>>711341187
but if he was a democrat it all be cool dude
>>711341384
we did change it. it got worse.
>>711335407
it's too late, they voted for a retard who think climate change is a chinese invention (he seriously twitted that).
May hurricanes and tornados ravage the USA for the next 4 years
>>711341492
He wouldn't have the same policies if he was democrat, so yeah.
>>711341595
yawn. who let the retards out?
>>711341492
No it wouldn't. This is all I've taken issue with all this election
>>711341669
you are all retards, you elected a retard, it doesn't get more official than that.
You are officially a retarded country, led by a massive retard.
>>711341571
What? How?
im not saying we should stop careing about our impact on climate change, but i wish the world leaders would put more effort into getting china to comply with them.
i mean holy fuck we can never beat it if china wont stop this madness.
>>711341651
sure kid. not much for brains are you.
what, do you think all those houses that were built during Clintons term just came out of no where?
if you can't stay on topic don't answer.
>>711341799
Either they are too scared to ask or China are being cunts and not doing anything about it.
>>711335407
I agree. Business men and politicians need to let the science guys continue what they are doing. Earths environment should be most important thing to respect. Everything else is just bullshit
>>711341676
yes you would. they would stick a big old pacifier in your mouth.
what about the wars? didn't hear much about them the last eight years.
>>711335407
>science
Name one reputable source that concludes humans have a non negligible impact on co2 in the atmosphere.
Because our impact IS negligible and what we can change is a fraction of that.
>inb4 temperature increase from 150 years ago
Well we have lower temperatures and less co2 in our atmosphere than 120,000 years ago. You don't hear me crying "global cooling" like environmentalists were a couple decades ago.
Google climate oscillation from your stolen computer and learn something
>>711335407
This is his stance.
"Make America energy independent, create millions of new jobs, and protect clean air and clean water. We will conserve our natural habitats, reserves and resources. We will unleash an energy revolution that will bring vast new wealth to our country."
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/energy/
I heard /b/ was cool. Apparently it's full of cuck liberals who don't understand how complicated this problem is -- the oil industry supports millions of jobs. We can't just tell them to fuck off.
>the board the internet feared is now 'BUT WUT ABOUT THE WEATHER?'
>>711341744
looks like I upset Ms. Grabers entire fifth grade class
>>711341985
What the fuck are you talking about. Yes I would what?
>>711335407
Fuck off frenchnigger
>>711335407
you mean that agreement all of those countries signed and then immediately giggled about on the way home as they discussed plans to ignore it while making sure US SJWs wnet off the rails ranting about it?
>>711338273
How is someone this retarded
>>711335407
Wow, whos paying you?
>>711342077
Can you explain what you're saying instead of fucking memeing. How has it got worse?
>>711341959
wait let me get my violin.
>>711337480
Show me the part of the constitution that states the federal government has to babysit the environments condition.
>>711342032
Bill nye
>>711335407
What science? Still nobody is sure that people cause it. Let's assume they are though, why do you think your way to solve this issue is the only way?
>>711335585
Faggot detected
>>711342103
can't even keep up with the conversation.
must be that education.
>>711342226
whos fucking memeing?
>>711342332
Yes Timmy, he's the science guy
>>711341255
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2995507/
>ends in call to action, b/c that paper is about scare tactics and politics. No original research, based on past scare tactic papers. Nice try
>RESEARCH ARTICLE
The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change
as a Gateway Belief: Experimental Evidence
Sander L. van der Linden
1
*
, Anthony A. Leiserowitz
2
, Geoffrey D. Feinberg
2
, Edward
W. Maibach
3
1
Department of Psychology and Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs, Princeton
University, Princeton, New Jersey, United States of America,
2
Yale Project on Climate Change
Communication, School of Forestry and Environmental Studies, Yale University, New Haven, Connecticut,
United States of America,
3
Center for Climate Change Communication, Department of Communication,
George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, United States of America
Did you even read the title? Its about psychology, and politics of indoctrinating people. ITS IN THE TITLE. Nice try.
North Atlantic coast (NASA)
North Atlantic coast (NASA)
>Journalists, bloggers and communicators of all kinds often find themselves in a contentious debate over the truth behind global warming. The reasons that “skepticism” or “contrarianism” and the like persist in public discourse are numerous, and there is a great deal of research literature on this question.
Another paper on why people don't believe in the big lie.
You literally couldn't cite original research, something that wasn't a political call to action, or even 2 papers about actual climate change. This is how indoctrinated you are, you actually are delusional, and believe that you found 3 papers that are actually about climate change when they are literally about people's perception of a lie when they see it for what it is.
>>711339855
>>711339855
>>711339855
http://www.osti.gov/scitech/biblio/6819363
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/302/5651/1719
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v432/n7017/full/432559a.html
I got you Science, Nature, and an Intergovernmental review board, I actually cannot think of three higher profile, more credible sources. Are you stupid, do you want to be alive, look at the data, not whatever conspiracy the fat racist on the radio feeds you
>>711342032
The global annual mean concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased by more than 40% since the start of the Industrial Revolution, from 280 ppm, the level it had for the last 10,000 years leading up to the mid-18th century, to 399 ppm as of 2015.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=jeSwRly2M_cC&pg=PA52&lpg=PA52&dq=280#v=onepage&q=280&f=false
ftp://aftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/products/trends/co2/co2_annmean_gl.txt
>>711341799
China doesn't give a shit.
Respiratory illness is the leading cause of death in China. Air pollution causes more deaths in China than anything else. It kills millions of Chinese every year.
If the Chinese government doesn't even care about the lives of their own people, they sure as fuck won't care about the rest of the world.
>>711342071
>protect clean air and clean water. We will conserve our natural habitats, reserves and resources.
"Asbestos is the greatest fireproofing material ever used, and everybody in the construction industry knows it. It is also 100% safe. Asbestos got a bad rap from miners & mob-led movement." ~ Donald J Trump
Q: Would you cut departments?
TRUMP: Environmental Protection, what they do is a disgrace. Every week they come out with new regulations.
Q: Who's going to protect the environment?
TRUMP: We'll be fine with the environment. We can leave a little bit, but you can't destroy businesses.
>>711335407
this is from a tv show, but it is 100% true. Just sit back and enjoy what we have left. Nothing can be done about it now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM0uZ9mfOUI
>>711342653
I hope that schizophrenia kills you
ftp://aftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/products/trends/co2/co2_annmean_gl.txt
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=jeSwRly2M_cC&pg=PA52&lpg=PA52&dq=280#v=onepage&q=280&f=false
>>711342520
I thought he was an actor
>>711335407
>>711335585
>>711335889
>>711337480
Kill yourselves and stop sipping the state-funded koolaid.
The poles have been in the process of preparing to flip since long before any of us were born. But no, go on, ignore the Cray simulations in favor of muh feelings and muh trends. Surely they won't flip if you stop driving your fucking car.
>>711342653
who funded these "studies"?
>>711335407
>Americans
>having any control over what the country does
Oligarchys don't work like that, anon. We have absolutely no say in what goes on in this country.
>>711342781
you got links to things you don't understand kid.
>>711342905
sure kid
>>711342808
>10,000 years
That's like saying April is hotter than March
Try hundreds of millions
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_oscillation
You'll see that this "global warming" is just us on the positive slope of oscillation
>>711343107
then why are you bitching?
>>711343022
Climate change is real and we actually have to do something about it.
>>711343216
kill yourself then
>>711342329
How about the responsibility to leave behind a world that isn't completely ruined and that future generations and even the younger people alive today can still live in?
No, absolutley not! I mean, we'd have to accept cuts to our economy today! I mean, do you want to be the one to blame when multinational companies (oil, coal, airlines, automobiles,...) make a few billions less per year?
The US already has the strictest laws concerning pollution. Try getting other countries on board like China or some European countries.
>>711343046
Do you have any gooddamn idea how science works. That's not how the incentives align, also, look at the raw data not the narrative and tell me the trendlines don't correlate, I'll wait
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-j7ldTlCB338/ToKH4T5drLI/AAAAAAAAAjE/U-i6xhRj1SE/s1600/co2_and_t_ver_20th_century.gif
>>711343152
>>711342808
I see your speculative ramblings and raise you my detailed simulations and globe-spanning iron filament evidence:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal
>>711343302
irrelavent at this point. see>>711342935
>>711343302
False premise.
Congrats on sipping the Al Gore koolaid.
>>711339855
Load fast, pupper
>>711343111
ok, how have I misunderstood
>>711343375
>The US already has the strictest laws concerning pollution.
>No law in the US restricting CO2 output...
Holy fuck, you're stupid.
>>711343260
You first.
>>711335407
At the end of the day only one party ignores science completely and says dumb shit like:
"Science changes in time, so I don't have to agree with the majority of evidence."
"God is the answer, not doctors or scientists."
"That is a hoax passed to stay funded in research."
Only one party is stupid enough to outright ignore science. I could never vote for a group that fucking stupid. A group where the majority on some level ignore evidence and research on very common sense measures.
>>711338451
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-making-of-a-businessman-how-al-gore-got-rich/
>Being this dense thinking it's not about the money.
>>711343152
This 'oscillation' was caused by us. We're not concerned about 'its getting hotter', we're concerned about the acidification and temperature rise of the sea, which is killing off keystone species.
>>711335407
ITT: retarded limp wristed liberals continue to be blue pilled by the globalist "man made" warming agenda.
You should all hang yourselves for being utterly gullible sheep.
Enjoy being energy-cucked by (((scientists))) rest of the world.
>>711343421
some damage control is still better than nothing. if you'rfe driving along, suddenly loose control of your car and find yourself on the wrong lane and in the contraflow, you at least try to slow down and get back on your lane. you don't go "well, i'm fucked anyway" and crash at full speed. at this point, about anything is better than what we're doing right now...
>>711343421
This. It's either bullshit and there' no point getting excited about it, or it's true but way too late, in which there's no point getting excited about ti.
>>711335407
You aren't going to change the weather by agreeing to screw your economies, you stupid fucks. If the climate's changing, it's out of our control. Deal with it.
>>711343780
ITT : Conservatives who don't understand science spew globalists memes.
Please leave our country.
>>711343848
Watch the video. The car has already crashed, and the occupants inside are already dead.
>>711343712
Al gore didn't find all this fucking research, it was already undergoing before he made that documentary
>>711343146
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfUYL9Ctxps
Around the 5:10 mark he says he'll abolish the EPA.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/Art_of_Comeback_Donald_Trump.htm
Says asbestos is 100% safe.
But please continue to be stupid.
>>711342653
did you even read the articles? this literally says the opposite of what you're trying to say
>>711335585
You call Americans stupid Then want us to support your faggoty bill. Go fuck yourself in the ass with a croissant.
>>711343916
> If the climate's changing, it's out of our control. Deal with it.
How about no and go fuck yourself.
>>711343780
Ever do the research yourself?
Get an education, take environmental courses and see how they collect data, do their studies etc. It's not globalist agenda. It's actually a fucking problem. Read a book nigger.
>>711343770
How did "we" cause this oscillation that predates our species?
>>711343447
Ok, thank god some anon on /b/ told me the worlds true ways...
but seriously, have fun choking on the conservative wall street propaganda. serves you right for not even trying to use your brain for anything else than filling the hole in your skull
>>711343649
You're pretty retarded anon.
>>711343780
I'm failing to see any remotely reasonable argument beyond "hurr durr libcucks"
go ahead, explain the conspiracy to me, I'm curious
>>711344050
Is this all making you feel better about your complete lack of scientific understanding about this problem you insist MUST be true?
Americans are the new Untermenschen, they are filth.
>>711344118
>start with
>>711343402
>>711344015
You people are pathetic. AGW is a shit theory based on shit evidence.
>>711344206
fuck off swedish cuck
>>711343402
>>711344245
The natural changing of magnetic poles has nothing do with this. We're talking millions of years of change in decades.
>>711335407
Uh... Don't care about Supreme Court, highly naive but ok. First off Science is split, real science not the media hired Shills. Secondly we, myself included have done and are doing all we can here in the U.S. If you libtard Globalist really want to protest, burn shit, cry bitch and moan, please focus you energies on the Chinese, India, Pakistan the middle east ect. Not the U.S or our allies as we have had eight loooong yes of the bullshit rhetoric. We understand the world is not our garbage can, we educate our kids about respect and the consequences of our actions. Although we may sip it, we are not fully chugging the Kool-Aid to the extreme levels Libtards are. We are at a level where Technologies we create will help the environment tremendously i.e AI, Robotics. Biology and Genetic research. So again please jump on board here, drop your dopey Libtard Arts classes and your burning of shit while embracing low energy beta status, . and come join us, as we are working hard on the facts of the situation, and not speculatory group think.
>>711344047
We started this modern climate change, it is happening due to the increase of greenhouse gases. If this sounds simple, it's because it is a simple concept>>711344050
.
>>711342970
>https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=jeSwRly2M_cC&pg=PA52&lpg=PA52&dq=280#v=onepage&q=280&f=false
Secondary source. No thanks, provide original source.
>ftp:/...
Stopped right there. I don't need a download of garbage.
Keep trying, find an original source or btfo.
You should probably just give it, because there are no original sources available to public scrutiny.
>>711343936
>>711344032
>>711344118
Not a single argument to the contrary. Just conjecture and "do the research."
This is why liberals have a reputation for being stupid, mindless drones.
Look at the big picture: the green energy movement is funded by precisely the people trying desperately to maintain the status quo and a shift towards globalism. It is designed to cuck you.
You do not even need to get to the point where you look at "the data" if you can discredit it's sources so easily.
>>711344297
Aren't you pathetic since you're a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists? Climate change is supported by almost every climate scientist in the world.
>>711344444
Nice quints, checked and kek'd.
They're done
>>711342329
The Commerce Clause + the Administrative Procedure Act of 1946 + The clean air and clean water acts
Federal environmental regulations were either directly contemplated by the constitution as incidental to interstate commerce or created via a constitutional delegation of power to congress and the executive branch. Just FYI.
>>711339230
The cake is being cut up. Do you want a slice? Don't be crying "there's no more cake, where's my slice" when it's gone. The cake is here Now, it won't be here 20 years from now. Eat your fucking cake and enjoy it while it last OR shut the fuck up. China isn't crying about the cake, neither is Russia or Europe. They are silently eating their fucking cake.
>>711335407
You are one brainwashed individual. Climate change is not caused by us fucking humans living on this earth. Do some real research instead of eating all the made-up bullshit your masters feed you. Find out the REAL reason why the earth's climate is changing, you fucking lazy cunt. Don't be another simple Science freak. Psy-ence just fucks with your mind, they brainwash you, they feed you "facts" and you believe them even without proving them on your own.
REAL facts are not gotten by Science, but by experimentation and tests. They tell you Science is all that, but Science is the new religion. You must rip your mind from their Psy-ence and be your own researcher, don't let them research for you, don't let them think for you. That whole paris climante bullshit is bullshit to control the minds. Make you think the Earth's climate change is our fault. Don't be an idiot. Be a researcher, get out there and experiement, do REAL research instead of eating the crap they feed you on television, internet and kike-approved books.
>>711344407
> It's okay if the world burns to grown because of burning C02 just stop lecturing us about it and worry about other countries.
How about no. It has to be both them and us if we're going to actually get a handle on this issue.
>>711344390
>swedish
>>711344245
ok, so what in the history of physics has made geomagnetism a climate driver. And I'm happy to hear about your quantum computer that's allowing you to actually run these detailed simulations because global climate is so chaotic it hurts. I looked at the source, while a geomagnetic reversal is "due" these things are inherently unpredictable, and we don't know why they happen, only that they seem to happen at this frequency. Additionally, the only link I could find between this even and claimed climate change was due to a supervolcano eruption, which they didn't even claim to be causally linked only that they happened to coincide.
please enlighten me
>>711344643
>>711344446
You have yet to give an actual reason as to why the scientific community is wrong. So instead you talk about propaganda like the 'green movement' and 'globalists.' Please stop being baited by these conservatives conspiracies and actually join us in the real world were we solve issues.
>>711344395
So in summary: "I don't know what a variable rate is and exponential curves are math I never got to."
Let me guess, you collect those graphs of recent climate change with the bottom 95% cut off for emphasis and still wonder why no one but your fellow sycophants panics with you.
>>711344011
Checked. Also, a baguette would be a better choice for that.
>>711344717
>simulations
>so chaotic it hurts
Confirmed for pop-science spouting brainwashed liberal.
The words you're looking for are models and highly nonlinear dynamics.
>>711344643
It's changing because of humans. Please allow yourself to meet reality.
>>711344673
Minor kek
>>711344444
It's a book, do you want me to send you a copy?
>>711344805
The scientific community is funded by the bankers and jews.
Cuck.
>>711344643
>not gotten by Science, but by experimentation and tests
How do you think science is conducted, you stupid fuck.
>>711341595
Hurricanes and tornadoes of greatness.
>>711341735
And rule motherfucking globe.
>>711344407
ok, this is weapons grade bolonium.
net carbon output correlates pretty much 1-1 with joules consumed
https://gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/world-per-capita-energy-consumption-and-co2-emissions.png
additionally, the western industrialized world consumes tremendously more energy than does the developing world, although they're catching up. Basically we caused this mess are are still contributing more than others, they're approaching but we still burn way more than them
http://www.economicshelp.org/wp-content/uploads/blog-uploads/2012/10/energy-per-capita.png
>>711337480
Nigga you so dumb!! You know climate science is a thing / gets funding ONLY because of the FEAR it insights?
>>711343206
Where was I bitching?
>>711344656
Like I said we are, my point is you are all preaching to the choir here. I never see a plane full of Climate activists flying on over to Chins to organize protest in their streets, you know why?? because you would all have your heads handed to you, unlike here. Again preaching to the choir here. the world has been around for billions of years and it will be here for a billion more. We on the other hand will go extinct regardless.
>>711344824
The rate of growth is exponentially bigger than it was before the industrial revolution. You're arguing against something proven by the scientific consensus. The problem you're running into is that you no evidence to the contrary.
>>711339855
>How come there are no scientific articles available to the public that directly prove climate change
There are. You're just too lazy to look and too afraid that your opinions are wrong, empirically to boot.
>>711345055
>You know cancer is a thing / gets funding ONLY because of the FEAR it insights?
>You know cancer is a thing / gets funding ONLY because of the FEAR it insights?
>You know immigration control is a thing / gets funding ONLY because of the FEAR it insights?
>You know defence is a thing / gets funding ONLY because of the FEAR it insights?
>>711344924
> I believe in the Jewish bankers conspiracy.
Guess thats all we needed to know about your views.
>>711344011
Whichever fits poorly.
>>711339887
>/sci
As a rule of thumb people ought to take anything said on the chans with a grain of salt.
>>711339887
No, they will call you a stupid faggot for not believing in AGW.
Go and post it now and find out.
t. /sci regular
>>711345119
How about instead of going extinct we actually fight? I wish they would tax carbon and incentives other forms of energy.
>>711344805
They're systemically bullied and threatened with termination/loss of grants if they don't get in line and toe it. The very far left controls education from the ground up. Teachers who have be in unions and have a liberal arts degree teach k-5 or 6, Same for middle school. High school is more unions but teachers had to have a masters degree often times in a science, and they were the only ones I saw that had actual dissenting opinions, but they were coerced to toe the line, or loose it all.
Colleges and universities are the worst though. The same admins that create safe spaces, give kids hot coca when their candidate loses, they bully and manipulate. They're in with the people that dole out grant money.
How would one even get money to perform research that could potentially disprove the "common knowledge" of climate change? Every scientists starts with a hypothesis and goes from there right, so if a scientist had a starting hypothesis of something that went against the liberal agenda, how would they ever get funding?
The ones that somehow get around that have another hurdle where journals typically on publish research that proves something. They almost never publish info that disproves something. That problem has lead to major issues in psychology research. Sci Show made a show about the psych and journal problem.
>>711344717
>please enlighten me
Okay. You desperately need it
>ok, so what in the history of physics has made geomagnetism a climate driver
The earth's magnetic field deflects the great majority of the sun's radioactivity past the poles. As it weakens, more begins to bombard the poles, and eventually the earth proper. The ozone layer blocks UVC and some UVB, and no UVA. As more UVC and UVB hit it, it weakens and also simultaneously more is getting through, amplifying the greenhouse effect even as the ozone disappears. More cancer, more climate change, more baked arid areas. Nothing, absolutely nothing you can do about it. It is a cosmic event. A regular one. The magnetic field will always collapse and form roving pseudo-poles, then after a fairly short but indeterminate period of time, the poles will reform opposite with a stronger-than-ever magnetic field. Radiation is reduced to its lowest ebb, the earth is swathed in protective clouds and mists, the ozone regenerates to a density and mass far greater than present day...the magnetic field begins to weaken once more, ever so slowly, until it once more hits a crisis point at which the change accelerates, much like a crumbling building finally collapsing, just in very slow motion by human standards
>And I'm happy to hear about your quantum computer that's allowing you to actually run these detailed simulations
Crays are not quantum, you are a dumb faggot.
>because global climate is so chaotic it hurts.
Actually it's not, you're just a dumb faggot who can't into sample data.
>I looked at the source, while a geomagnetic reversal is "due" these things are inherently unpredictable
Why is that in quotation marks? Are you confused?
>>711344717
what the hell are you talking about? A chaotic system is one so dependent on initial conditions that we can't make useful predictions on it. As for simulations I was just quoting the op
>>711344717 (cont)
>and we don't know why they happen, only that they seem to happen at this frequency.
Really faggot? You're talking about climate science and acting fucking superior you don't understand how the Earth's magnetic field is generated? It's the counter-rotation of the Earth's core vs its liquid mantle and crust
>Additionally, the only link I could find between this even and claimed climate change was due to a supervolcano eruption, which they didn't even claim to be causally linked only that they happened to coincide..
That's because you're an idiot who can't into basic geology, astronomy, electrical science, or climate science.
>>711335407
>Desperate plea with a massive insult at the end.
>Shaming tactics
Smells like liberal scum.
>>711344643
>REAL facts are not gotten by Science, but by experimentation and tests.
I don't think anyone has said anything stupider on this board in the past year. Congratulations, you literally have no idea what science is.
Holy fuck anon, are you trolling?
>>711345146
I'm not in a position to prove anything. You desperately need to prove what you're saying is true. You need to affirm your claims. I'm not claiming anything. Just as its the theists job to prove their claim, so to is your job to prove what goes against the known science.
>>711335407
Don't beg for a thing, then insult.
>>711345359
So basically the old creationist argument of that 'they don't accept differing point of views.' Which would be fine if science wasn't founded on the principal of data above all. Please stop using the excuse of them being 'liberals' because facts have nothing to do with political alignment.
If they could actually prove that global climate was staying steady or that it wasn't man made than great. Until that time we actually have to solve problems that are given to us through collecting information.
>>711345385
>psuedoscience, the post
>>711344505
Not climate scientists. They've not been asked as far as I know.
>>711339948
That's like saying that you wouldn't own a car company or a power company if you want to be ecofriendly. That's exactly what you'd do.
>>711345531
> Denying the actual science for 'feelings.'
Smells like cuckservatives.
>>711344505
Mind explaining it then? Mind breaking down climate science for us?
Oh you mean you don't understand it and just believe it because 'muh scientists'. Oh you are out of your element and have no fucking clue what you are talking about? Oh you did a 5 second google search and pasted whatever you could find?
That's what I thought. Rekt.
>>711342653
I feel bad for illiterates like this. His underfunded education never taught him important things like reading comprehension, exploring public databases and understanding citations. This paper probably has at least 100 citations of direct sources from different institutions all analyzing climate change.
>>711345704
97% of climate scientists agree that climate change is real.
>>711345493
To elaborate for the similarly ignorant, the molten metals and similar substances in the mantle, crust and core are rather like the magnets and metal within an electric motor, only the force is the sun's gravity and the output is the electromagnetism of the poles, and the resultant magnetic field. The earth is an electromagnet as a result of its core and crust spinning opposite directions. Always has been. This is like the very basic prerequisite for life as we know it, and all of you climate alarmists seem to be wholly ignorant of the very fucking basics, and climatologists keep on lying to you and exaggerating and driving you into a panic for two reasons:
Because they can, because you're that fucking goddamn stupid, and...
Because they get a FUCKTON of government money to do it. The scientific establishment never outgrew the Catholic church, they just switched to the next source of funding. It's no longer about researching only what's non-heretical to get funding - it's about researching what's politically fucking expedient to get funding. You are the new worshipers and your smug ignorance is fucking appalling. The Greeks would be ashamed.
>>711345385
> the climate is not a chaotic system
jesus fucking christ
>>711345649
They ran the most detailed simulation ever run on the Earth for this. They put in more climate data than has ever been placed in any simulation before.
You are the ignorant religious bigot, the follower, but your head is so far up the asses of the people scamming you that all you HAVE is this desperate snark. Admit it, you have zero knowledge of basic earth sciences to begin with.
>>711345794
Climate science
>more co2
>more hot
>bad
Did I go too fast, Anon?
>>711338699
Cool meme you dumbass. Now go read a book
>>711345859
>
If you're too stupid or brainwashed to read the post, don't respond. Go back to your dumbed-down pop-sci holy books.
>>711345957
You wont mind linking me the paper then.
>>711345794
Sure, since the industrial revolution we figured out that by burning the corpses of fossil life we could power our devices and economy. What we didn't realize is that just like how plants have made this planet filled with oxygen, we're now filling it with C02. We're causing a massive extinction and forcing the temperatures to do the same type of warming effect that takes place on Venus.
Good low level insults though. The problem is not the people who understand the science but rather people like you who argue this subject as conservatives/liberals. It's about facts vs conspiracy.
>>711345991
No that was good, you just failed to cover the part where anything humans are currently capable of doing or not doing affects the overall global trend in any appreciable way or is any more than you screaming ignorance and hubris into the void.
>>711345385
So we're over the average interval for a magnetic reversal but they're not things to set your watch to. We're due any day now but that's not a reason for one to be happening, they're not that stable, it's like earthquakes, tokyo has been due for 30 years but that doesn't mean a quake is happening tomorrow
also, doing a quick google scholar search on climate change and magnetic field and I got 1 paper that's specifically about that connection that talks about dipole oscillations in geomagnetic field affecting cloud nucleation, but absolutely nothing about driving the greenhouse effect, because of course IR photons that primarily deliver heat to earth are massless and minimally reflected by the earths magnetic field as opposed to massive charged particles in solar wind that are dangerous and radioactive and are reflected by the magnetic field
>>711346028
The earth's climate is pretty much the de-facto example of a chaotic system you fucking retard.
>>711335407
the problem is we send the manufacturing to places like china. it doesnt matter where the pollution comes from it affects the same planet. The problem with cheaply made chineese goods is you have to replace them all the time. this causes more pollution and more wasted resources.
>>711346043
Waiting patiently.
>>711335407
dear scientist, i'm sure you're a real scientist.
thing is, until you can tell me what caused the ice age 30,000 years ago, I DONT GIVE A FUCK, because you're too busy asking for more money (carbon tax LOL)
if u want me to respect the climate, then stop taxing me until you can explain the ice age 30,000 yrs ago
>>711344444
>>711344446
Kys losers, it takes 2 seconds to google, if I wasn't on my phone I'd start listing the thousands of papers that prove you idiots wrong. You think your smarter than people who studied this shit their entire lives, I'll bet you wouldn't even be able to understand the first sentence of a primary source. That is why your so ignorant, because you were never taught to read. Have fun in your unskilled labor job that will soon be replaced by machines.
>>711346043
http://es.ucsc.edu/~fnimmo/website/ptrsl.pdf
http://www.phys.ens.fr/~dormy/Publications/Dormy06.pdf
This one was the best, but sadly 404ed (no doubt due to lack of funding):
http://ees5-www.lanl.gov/IGPP/EarthsMagneticField.html
But you won't bother reading, you'll just shy away and close the tab now that your bluff's been called in order to preserve your emotional, religious cognitive dissonance.
>>711346299
The ice age happened before we started burning fossil fuel.
ITT bait that man made climate change isn't real or get upset by bait
So we could be great again or listen to some ecotards. Fuck you, there's no evidence of any shit going wrong with the enviroment, and in case something happens is because of china
>>711344924
Actually it's funded by tax payers retard
>>711346168
No, it's not. The only truly chaotic systems we can claim to have left are submolecular. Unless your definition of chaotic is "lol I dond ged id".
>>711346154
Okay, ask yourself the following question. You don't even need a paper, you can figure this out for yourself:
"Would increased radiation hitting the polar ice caps due to less magnetic field deflection and resultant decreased ozone cause them to melt faster, releasing CO2 at an increased rate, regardless of human interaction?"
This is not a trick question. It is not difficult, either.
Q-what does nearly 450 'peer reviewed' articles about MMGW have in common?
A-27 'reviewer's.
in the 1990's, I went in search of this 'consensus' of supportive scientists. so, um, where can I find it? I did find 180k scientists against MMGW, people should be able to point to/reference 500 to support their contention.
Ever heard of climategate?
>>711346088
It has been gone over and over and over throughout this thread, sources have been given and given. But, sure, I'll humour you.
ftp://aftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/products/trends/co2/co2_annmean_gl.txt
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=jeSwRly2M_cC&pg=PA52&lpg=PA52&dq=280#v=onepage&q=280&f=false
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2995507/
>>711345385
also, I know why the field flips, it's the same reason we have a field at all, but it's like seismology, we are not even close to a sufficient systemic understanding to predict it
>>711345493
show me, show me the other peer reviewed paper, because right now what you're telling me is stuff we all learned in high school earth science, and legit bullshit you're pulling out of your ass about field strength resulting in the greenhouse effect
.
>>711344407
The US is one of the only countries nowadays where there isn't a consensus between the different parties on climate change. Most conservative parties else in the world recognize the fact this is happening. Also, the technologies you refer to are usually being developped by people who think climate change is real and we should do something about it. Why else would they develop green technology?
>>711346456
ITT people ignorant of science regurgitate manufactured popular opinion based on media attention, government funding, and a monolithic scientific community devoted to consensus and rejecting dissent in a religious fashion, rather than encouraging it.
>>711346465
They are using our money to enrich some ecotards, we should stop funding those fucktards.
>>711346382
These are your papers?
Where is anything relating to this causing a temperature rise? Or is that conveniently the 404'd link?
The first two are a description of the mechanism. Nobody would argue with them.
Anything you have relating to the earth's magnetic field being responsible for as significant a mean temperature spike we're experienced is still just assertion.
>>711346630
No, no, I want to hear you substantiate it in your own words. Since you know.
>>711345359
Oil companies she'll out millions to disprove climate change on a monthly basis and even their studies can't disprove it. All the top climate 'skeptics' are political scientists working for oil companies, including the new head of epa transition.
>>711346701
someone is upset by bait
>>711335407
nice
>>711335407
Global warming
>16 year pause
Climate change, oceans inspired the heat magically after a few years of warming
>NASA adjusts numbers to make previous years appear warmer
Lies
>data shows otherwise.
Lies in disputed
>other theories
Nope only theory of global warming is fact. Anyone who proposes any other argument using any kind if science is uneducated and anti science
>scientific method
Ignorant redneck, off with your head
>>711335585
Go ahead and keep calling americans stupid thats why we don't like you fuckers. I was gonna say yeah we should support this bill but you know what?
Just because you liberals and foreigners keep being little pricks I'm gonna say yeah lets fucking reject this shit.
You know why?
Just to piss you off.
If you don't like us so much then fine. I've got nothing to lose.
Trump won because you liberals call everybody who disagrees with you stupid, rascist, homophobic, sexist, etc. all the while bringing nothing intellectual to the tables yourself.
And guess what. People don't like you now more than ever because of it.
So go ahead. Keep it up. Keep calling americans stupid. Keep ad homing everybody who disagrees with you.
So we can keep winning.
http://youtu.be/GLG9g7BcjKs
>>711345567
You need to affirm your claims since you are denying the consensus
>>711346655
>we are not even close to a sufficient systemic understanding to predict it
Actually, we are. The Cray simulation is that. That wasn't the issue called into question to begin with, though.
>peer-reviewed paper
Ah, you're going the religious appeal to authority route again. Was there any doubt which side of the issue authority and funding lay on? Don't forget to worship and curse all of the unscientific traitors cast out of the True Science Church circa 2001, never to be allowed back in.
> what you're telling me is stuff we all learned in high school earth science
Except it clearly isn't, or you wouldn't be this helplessly stupid.
>>711346299
>>711346299
>>711346299
TROLL detected...
Even though, the funny thing is that all illiterate people think this way, because they aren't able to think further than their small litle little world and time....
It's so sad to think I am from the same spices that those useles and stupid fucks...
>>711346914
>peer review
>appeal to authority
L M A O
>>711346701
That's now how science works but thanks anyway. The scientific method rewords outside thinking if you can actually prove your hypothesis.
>>711342905
The EPA actually is a fucking disgrace though when it comes to businesses. I work for a pool company and it is impossible for us to continue shipping chlorine now because of all of the regulations and costs for permits etc. This has cut into our profit margins so much that we had to lay off many employees.
>>711346743
My papers? No. I didn't write any papers. I explained the principle to you in this thread. You see anon, properly filed paperwork is not a prerequisite of fact. If you lack the intelligence to tie clearly established cause to inevitable effect in a closed system, your mind is useless meat.
>>711346579
I'm going to post some graphs, they are going to relate annual temperature and ppm co2. https://www.contreinfo.info/IMG/jpg/temp_et_co2.jpg
Please consider this if you can
>Don't be stupid as fuck disregarding all the science about this.
I could say the same to you. There is absolutely no evidence humans have anything to do with it.
Nothing we can do.
Trump supporters fell for his drain the swamp meme. Even though he's considering people from wall street for some positions in his cabinet also some corrupt/bought politicians for others. Drain le swamp rite guys
>>711346973
Yes.
Peer review in a central funding based system with closely-controlled beliefs new students must publically avow to get into the system in the first place is the very essence of appeal to authority.
>>711346983
The scientific method has been abandoned openly in favor of poli-sci-tastic critical theory. You really know nothing, do you?
>>711346723
You really have no idea how this works. Sit down and shut up.
>>711346994
The papers you cited do nothing towards proving your central point.
If you are trying to convince me that the earth's magnetic field has a significant influence on mean surface temperatures then "no you're just stupid" is not going to cut it, regardless of how eloquently you think you're putting it.
>>711346948
>>711346318
have fun with your ad-hominems and lack of sources. fag
>>711346389
no shit that's why i dont care about climate change. its guna habben regardless.
>>711343022
While that is likely a factor, it is naive to brush aside empirical evidence regarding the impact of human activity, such as livestock populations, fossil fuel consumption, and carbon storage within biomass and sediment.
>>711346885
Lol triggered af, you r responding a non OP comment you stupid cunt, what has him to do with OP? Ppl as you are the reason that anon called your people stupid XD
>>711347083
Please post images directly on imageboards, stop using misrepresenting graphs with the bottoms cut off (for real, be ashamed of yourself for making this level of statistical abuse and propaganda commonplace), and stop pretending correlation in any way implies causation, let alone serving as proof, let alone over a time period so horrifically short as to make your sample size uselessly small.
Also, please stop pretending global climate change is abnormal rather than the eternal norm despite the massive evidence throughout various geological periods to the contrary.
>>711339960
The rest of the world cares about what happened BECAUSE of 9/11, don't they? Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, tightened security measures almost everywhere...something that affects America that profoundly has an inevitable ripple effect on the rest of the world.
And so could a Trump Presidency. What if we end up at war with Russia because of Trumps stupidity? What if he dumps all controls over climate change, and speeds the process up? Are you going to care then? What if he disrupts global trade and economies so he can "MAGA"? Are you going to care then.
Pay attention, little one: This is more important to the rest of the world than you know.
>>711347083
That would probably pretty compelling if I had denied the existence of the greenhouse effect, rather than explaining the catalyst for its acceleration.
1/10, you tried, read next time.
>>711347110
> The scientific method has been abandoned openly in favor of poli-sci-tastic critical theory.
Hello subjective opinion and conspiracy. Right off the bat, I'd say I know more about the scientific method and climate change. Though it's not about me as the data stands alone.
>>711340147
They're the worst right now, yes. Let's wait four years and see if that's still the case after Trump eliminates the EPA and such.
>>711346299
Milankovitch cycles
>>711346818
Hahahahaha man you ever read a book that has more words than pictures?
>>711347225
And it's blatantly dishonest to note those by quantity rather than by percentile next to, say for instance, the Pacific Ocean.
Yet everyone keeps doing it, from Kyoto to Stockholm.
>>711335407
It's irrelevant -- we'll all be uploaded minds in computers with robots running the real world for us in 100 years.
>>711346747
>I want you to explain something explained in a source
>this motherfucker
The levels of CO2 is going up, in fact it's increased by 40% in the last 200 years. This has led to greenhouse effect, rising atmospheric and sea temperatures. This is bad, and needs to be combatted
>>711335407
They elected Trump as president. That should tell you everything OP.
know what i think is more serious than climate change ?
the way we design cities and rely on infrastructure.
couple hundred years ago you couldn't see your neighbors house, or hear them scream. you lived alone on your own acre of land, maybe a few square miles of land to yourself. you could eat the animals and the fish and you had a water source.
total self sufficiency. the government had no role in our social lives, they were there to defend us from the british and french.
nowdays i gota give half my paycheck to whole foods and the rest to government taxes just so i can drive a car thirty fucking miles to earn a pay check.
i dont care about climate change, i want to go back to the old lifestyle, because with out it, we're lost anyway
the system is broke, we're gentrifying the earth to make our species extinct.
>>711347290
This rate of climate change is wholly unprecedented, and you can back the fuck off.
>>711347219
They rapid warming of now is not like the slow natural warming from an ice age. You're welcoming to be apathetic but some of us actually want to address the issue. It has to be done n the macro level of society.
>>711347377
Right off the bat I'd say you're entirely ignorant of the scientific method itself, and have never seen the data in raw form, but rather in the form of 90%-cut-off graphs leaving out natural data points and glued to the top of sassy poli-sci articles churned out for the wholly ignorant.
>>711347290
The massive evidence is that never in history, temperatures changed as fast as now. Global climate change over centuries is normal, gloabl climate change inside a single century isn't.
>>711347320
uhh i've been laid off from two jobs due to outsourcing and now i live in a van.
i hope to upset the sdr basket and put entire countires out of work to get me back in a job.
>>711346885
implying what you think matters
>>711338451
sry buddy, saudi prince is a minority shareholder only.
>>711347499
some people are sick of the EPA gestapo raping business with very expensive permits and regulations that stifle most companies to do simple shit like ship chemicals. Its good to regulate things but they go way over the line.
>>711347544
>300,000 years
Polar flips happen in units of billions of years, you complete ignoramus. This is actually pathetic.
>>711347566
>the massive evidence
>never in history
You too. Fuck off back to your mom's tit. "Oh no man it wasn't this hot when my grandpa was around, the world's ending!"
Learn to appreciate scale or just kill yourself.
>>711342894
But they do now, they're starting to realise, China is actually the leader in the development of durable energy source, like solar panels
>>711347555
You seem to have a hard on for 'info graphs.' The scientific method works by proposing a testable hypothesis and narrowing down variables to eliminate bias.
Let me ask do you believe/understand in evolution?
>>711343967
"Like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target."
James Kirk
>>711347532
Enjoy spending literally all of your time to be able to maybe eat.
>>711347435
I agree with you. The most challenging part of the debate is finding a standard across the board. I believe if this was the case it would be fairly easy to understand for most people. Instead it seems to get muddied in political agendas using poor data and as much bias to support their claims as possible.
>>711347544
You saying its real or not?
>>711335407
>(((scientists)))
Liberals are cancer.
>>711341799
That isn't climate change fucktard. That's air pollution.
A generation of morons who think man can control the weather..
...and that empowering government to take control of and tax the very air you breathe is a great idea.
>>711347681
Apparently it does.
Because Trump won.
Cry a little more for me.
>>711342071
>implying climate and weather are the same thing
>showing your ignorance
>>711347566
And your evidence that proves either?
>>711346579
Seriously, you have obviously absolutely no idea what you are talking about, just stop. You're only making an ass of yourself.
You don't even know what a chaotic system is, otherwise you wouldn't talk this bullshit.
And the released CO2 due to the ice pole is laughably little compared to the CO2 Output - and more importantly, Methane Output, since it's a much stronger global warming agent - of humans.
You're right about one thing: In principle, it's easy. We already know how greenhouses warm up due to increased CO2 and Methane level since they're a closed system. Now we have another (mostly) closed system - the entire earth - which has increased levels of CO2 and Methane due to human intervention. Just guess, what happens? It's not difficult to answer.
>>711347950
This is bait, great bait, the best bait
>>711342992
that's exactly what he is. A shill for globalist nonsense.
He has no science credentials whatsoever. He has a bachelors degree in Engineering.
>Americans have managed to politicize the destruction of the earth
Wew
>>711347950
not an argument, junior
>>711348097
>not an argument, junior
>>711347989
An easy visualisation for laymen:
https://xkcd.com/1732/
The sources are directly on the right of the image, if you wonder.
>>711347549
no. climate change is code word for control. you want macro control of everyone.
its UN version 2. fuck you
you'll sooner get a bullet from me than a carbon tax
>>711345055
that's without a doubt the most stupid, fucked up argument I heard all week and I heard a lot of retarded shit throughout the week.
The insights of climat science show that the world is getting fucked up because of our actions so we shouldn't change a thing?
What the fuck? No matter how hard I try, my mind denies me the satisfaction of even remotely understanding how a human being can bring up something so ridiculously wrong and call it an argument. What the hell is wrong with you? I believe everyone has a right to express their opinion but at one point you have to realise that it is the best for all if you just shut the fuck up and quietly watch as the rest of us, who are at least decently intelligent people, make decissions about the future.
The one thing you global warming fucktards seem to ignore is that though the US is a contributor to pollution, there are other countries doing far worse to the environment who get concessions from these "global summits".
Of those countries given a pass the most prominent are Russia and China.
Where the US has to institute regulations on our companies costing them millions; Russia and China work in an environment equal to or worse than the US was 100 years ago in not only ecological awareness but human rights as well.
This allows them to produce the same product far cheaper and undercutting US companies.
>>711348248
I aint clickin dat shit nigga
>>711335407
>implying any government gives a shit about your shitty petty piece of spreadsheet agreement, and didn't sign it as a means to look good to the drones of climate-control zomboids who think there's a hard science that proves it's existence
evidence isn't proof; corelation isn't fact
And no one cares about conservation of life as we know it, except for those with a arbitrary sense of pride to a meaningless lineage of sapiens shit lords.
1. life will go on regardless of how hot/cold/different the climate get's. That's how evolution works
2. conservation is stupid, since there's literally no point; except slow down the process of survival of the fittest.
Crawl back under a rock, you over-sentimental, pseudo-science loving, hippie.
>>711347176
Due to the apparent lack of a credible source I'm going to assume you have nothing but assertion on your side.
>>711335407
settle down little buddy they are already working on co2 pumps that will pump the co2 right out of the air and into basalt fields where it will turn into limestone permanently locking it into the ground.
>>711348248
Doesn't prove. Sorry. There is. Not enough evidence on either side to prove one way or the other. You are letting your bias effect your science
that big ass desert in north africa used to be a tropical rain forest
antarctica used to be a tropical rain forest
antarctica has pyramids underneath the ice right now
WHY SHOULD I CARE ABOUT CLIMATE CYCLES
>>711344643
This nigga got the point. Simulations are non-science, while there is no way to do a proper, controlled experiment.
Nevertheless, the dynamics of weather patterns are obviously changed. We got lots of small but visible changes, from droughts and snowless winters, to record-breaking hot summers.
But, this does not mean that anyone really understood the dynamics and underlying mechanisms. CO2 levels could be compensated to some extent by plants growth and plankton in the oceans, but droughts is a fucking crap.
The whole ecosystem will surely balance itself, but some highly populated regions of the world could be fucked in the meantime.
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Science and America doesn't go hand in hand.
There is the American way, and if there's a better way than the American way, it's the wrong way and should be ignored, as everything non-american is bad because America is the greatest and don't need better ways.
Let Monsanto genetically change crops, so they can spray the crops with very hazardous pesticides, that would kill the crop if it wasn't heavily genetically modified.
Let food companies stuff the food full of hazardous preservatives, so everything has an unbelievable long expiration date.
Let the school system be flawed, by giving schools who doesn't need money, more money so schools who need money can have less money.
Let's deny national and international science that prove our relation to primates, and let's instead support the theory of a man in the cloud who made a man who engineered a woman from a rib, and a talking snake that fools them to eat an forbidden apple.
Let's deny science that proves humans are the cause of the global warming, because I don't wanna ride my bicycle when I can ride my red truck because I'm too fucking lazy to go to the store two blocks away.
Let's have a medical care system that gives you medical care if you give them money. Because it's better to let the poor people be home sick and suffer, than curing and helping them to become a working person again and support society.
Let's have free weapons for everyone because second amendment, and if we would need to form a organized guerrilla against government tyranny, we would totally have a chance against tactical highly technological military assault squads.
Let's give away 50% of the entire budget, directly or indirectly to our military so all the private contractors can make huge profit, and we can keep getting our own killed in wars manufactured by huge corporations that profit from it.
Yes, America is so great. For the people, by the people... And what that means is, for corporations, by the people.
>>711348332
>life will go on regardless of how hot/cold/different the climate get's. That's how evolution works
that's true but the question is, will it be a climate we can survive in?
I dream of the day, when there is a technocratic state, where all politicians also need to be scientists in the field, they are working in. Then only people who have knowledge in a field, are allowed to control it.
It is always funny, when people, like me and I bet every one in this thread, give their half assed researched information and knowledge to their best.
tl;dr this thread is pointless and you all should stfu
>>711348221
C'mon, we both know what you're Tring to achieve here. Air pollution doesn't affect climate change?
>>711335407
It's not up to Trump. In fact, 99% of the things people are shitting their pants about, yeah, Trump has no control over. Ironically, the things he does have control over (such as the Supreme Court nomination) or pretty much glossed over by people pissing themselves about how their gay friend (closet-lover) is going to a re-education camp or something equally retarded.
Don't be such drama queens.
I don't understand people who flat out deny climate change exists... of COURSE it does, hell, the spot I am sitting in used to be under a mile or more of ice at one time or another. THe one constant thing about climate is that it changes! Always has always will.
Where I am not so clear is where we pick a temperature that we feel is best for us (not even the mean temperature over the entire history of the earth according to geologists) and declare that is the temperature the earth should be, and any more/less is a disaster! Even worse is the arrogance of believing that our insignificant scratchings are going to be able to increase/slow/reverse it.
Climate changed long before we infested this planet, climate will continue to change long after we have been wiped off it. Our geologically insignificant time on it won't even amount to a pimple on it!
>>711348428
Racist xenophobe
>>711348534
>Simulations are non-science
r u srs nigga
ever flown on an aircraft? guess what they used to design it
>>711347886
You know what's cancer - denying facts collected through observation rather than one's feelings on the topic, and failing to prevent the most pressing issue facing our societal survival in the future. When we have 53 years of oil in our reserves
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/world-energy-day-2014-how-much-oil-left-how-long-will-it-last-1471200
With exponential growth in our usage, the problem goes beyond your opinion on green energy. Yes I am a costal researcher, and this is only a debate once the facts are misunderstood. Sea levels are rising at such a rate coastal engineering strategies struggle to combat them even now, and the extent of the irreversable damage we've already emitted into our environment - with over 400 ppm of CO2 leading us into a catastrophic temperature rise unlike any other natural geological period. Land sea ice is melting - hurricanes are stronger - and coastal erosion is occuring at alarming rates as a result. I just hope everyone who reads this takes the time to research this through sites with no agenda, none of that "watts up with that" bullshit, and forms arguments based on evudence, not feelings.
>>711348619
This.
Actual scientist here btw.
>>711348713
*evidence shit
>>711348713
Okay shill. If you think by admitting you're paid to spout this garbage I'm inclined to believe it you're even more retarded than I thought.
>>711348688
>I don't understand people who flat out deny climate change exists.
No one denies the weather is changing. The battle is over "why" and "how will it be in 50 years?" ... it's complex enough that there is room for scientific doubt.
I honestly don't give a shit as long my AC keeps running.
Cows are killing the earth, so your should really be pushing to ban the mass cattle farming if your actually serious about this issue. YOU FUCKING TWAT.
>>711348428
>Using the word "prove" as some sort of gold standard
It's clear you know nothing about science.
Science cannot prove anything, ever. It can only provide probabilities based on our current knowledge, and currently, the overwhelming majority of scientists attribute the warming of the earth to man made industry.
>>711348737
Calling people stupid online doesn't make you a scientist
>>711339855
evidence doesn't prove anything, it merely suggests it.
>That's how science works.
The more evidence, the more validity, and the only time a theory is proven is when it the theory is put in action.
By the time "climate change via means of human intervention" is an undeniable theory is when the DIRECT evidence.
(I emphasize direct, because climate-control-cucks don't understand what correlation is, especially when there's other theorys on the table.)
>>711344717
All simulations is crap by definition. Including quantum computers itself. They could only conclude that a model has been simulated. They cannot prove any connection to reality. Simulations has nothing to do with anything, but the model it simulates.
>>711348902
>Probability you're a moron, 99.9997%
>>711348567
>boo hoo i'm a commie or a foreign faggot and i'm going to use all these american inventions to bash america
your nerdy glasses - thank ben franklin
your internet - thank us govt
your safety - us govt
your food - us
your comfy lifestyle - us
i dont see you wanting to hunt fish
>>711348256
And here comes the conspiracy. When you tax carbon and de-tax other things you build incentives to get us to healthy levels. You know like the ones where Florida doesn't disappear without building dams to block the ocean. Why are you people so eager to shoot our species in the foot?
>>711348946
*when there is DIR...
>>711348845
>implying
I am an unpaid researcher at a university lab working towards my doctorate degree actually, because this is something I care about
>>711342166
'murica
>>711344412
"We" didn't start it. It would've happened with or without us, and it will eventually cool back down
>>711348619
that's how china works today son
SEE YA close the door on the way out, we dont wana lose the heat!
>>711335407
Trump likes coal
>>711348845
>persons work shows clear results in shit getting worse
>nah, man. you're just getting paid to say that
I'm an electrican and I say it will kill you if you stick a fork in the power outlet. Please prove me wrong
>>711349041
>He doesnt even get paid for it
Holy fuck...
>>711344855
tell me, fucko, what is the fundamental difference between simulated clouds and those you actually see in the sky?
what is the difference between a simulated and actual weather?
what is simulated weather?
>>711346885
Jokes on you you only fucked with your own country you claim to love so much
>>711349165
Not the same guy but what the fuccc u trying to say boi?
>>711348946
For "science" to be valid, it has to be both Repeatable and Predictive.
Global Warming "Science" has failed miserably at both.
>>711349003
>>Probability you're a moron, 99.9997%
Not that guy, but he's exactly right. We can't prove anything. We can only eliminate a significant amount of doubt. "Beyond reasonable doubt", if you will. But that's not proof. That's just "the best we can do."
Anyone with a background in science or history will tell you the same.
>>711348848
The thing is there is always room for scientific doubt, and youre argument is valid, but work in a lab and you'll find out he difference between science and engineering - we deal with concepts so intricate doubt is expected, but the levels of uncertainty in this science are so low it's undeniable, coming from someone who's collected data themselves.
>>711349009
dont accuse me of shooting you in the foot. you're stealing money from me. of course ill shoot you
Global warming/cooling is mildly effected by humans. Mostly though it's from solar and celestial events.
There is nothing we can do to stop the changes coming.
Sometimes I think people forget there is an environment outside of our planet. We live in an isolated bubble that could pop at anytime.
>>711348428
Actually, we have massive evidence pointing one way, and absolutely no evidence pointing the other. You're entire point is just: "Well, this isn't ENOUGH evidence for me"
However, that's not science. In science, you look at the evidence and judge what is more likely based on it. And even while it can be argued that there is still some small room of error, global climate change based on human intervention is simply much more likely.
So, to turn it back to you: Sorry, you are letting your bias affect your opinion.
>>711349137
My fork isn't conductive
You lose
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>>711348674
Don't underestimate the power of executive orders and just how much shit gets done by internally-created regulation that ain't created by legislation. Much of the EPA's regulatory authority is from executive enforcement, for instance.
