That's a damn good question, right there.
The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
That's a damn good question, right there.
>>698234279
Property taxes in general implies you are renting and don't actually own the land or anything you have
Taxation of individuals and their property is theft
Go google what a constitutional tax would be. More than enough to cover all services the government provides as long as we cut out the billions of wasted money and failed programs.
Land belongs to whoever controls the troops that control the land, I.e. the gubment. /thread
Bump for interest
>>698234421
Bern-Loving-Che-Tshirt-Wearing-College-Freshemen detected.
>>698234496
this.
The executive government of the nation controls its land area.
If a nation taxes you, it is taxing you as you are a subject of the nation, in the same way you are subject to the laws of the nation. In return you gain citizenship of the nation-state.
And if you really think that taxation is "theft", then I presume you didnt get any school education, didnt have running water, electricity, sewers, any local police, fire or hospital services, all the roads are dirt with no asphalt, your country doesnt have any national military at all, and you dont get any state pension when older, and your parents never got a penny of state child support, etc?
Must be pretty shit living in a mud hut in somalia.
Government is a social contract. You subscribe to services such as police protection, fire/rescue, military protection from extra national threats. By doing so you give up some of your rights such as the rights to do whatever you please without consequence. Don't like it? Then why are you here?
None of you yards get what I'm trying to say! If you look at the image it CLEARLY suggests that we pay to many taxes, and not that we shouldn't pay any
>>698235250
Well now you're just splitting hairs.
Government conquered the earth. You are free to try to kill them and take the Land back.
I count myself lucky that the powers that be allow me to have a life with the semblance of freedom. Beats being forced to pray to Allah 100 times a day or face execution.
The land belongs to whomever can kill you if you say you don't have to pay them for living on the land.
>>698234279
we dont pay the government any sort of taxes....enjoy your....freedom Amerifags
>>698235507
I'd rather pay taxes than be a sandnigger.
>>698235424
It's actually 5 times that Muslims pray to Allah.
>>698234279
you're an idiot, do you have any idea how much it costs to keep the country running?
unless you're paying to drive on the roads and highway directly, you pay for it by paying taxes, same for absolutely everything the government supplies to its people - infrastructure, police, social security, education, what fucking country to you live in so this isn't absolutely apparent to you?
bad government = bad country
expensive government = good country to live in
>>698235642
Yeah call me the idiot you socialist commie! Social security? Ha! Why do I have to pay for some nigger somewhere who chooses not to work and be carried by hard workers like me?
The fuck outta here, bitch
>>698235640
I'm glad that I wasn't required by law to know that.
>>698235846
Well I am an atheist living in Canada so I'm not sure what law your referring to
>>698235642
>>698235839
Well shitty social programs aside, paying for roads, and police are absolute necessities for a good country. Education could be privatized tho.
>>698235551
he said using the written language that the sandniggers invented ...
You can live totally rent free in the mountains, what you are paying for is generally
The shelter (your house or apartment)
All the work that has gone into giving you a life of a king (water, internet, cable, tv)
And all the other amenities you take for granted that you did not put there yourself (school, roads, defense, fireman, welfare, emergency medical care)
If you want to live rent free you can go right along and find some cave in the middle of no where and I doubt you'll be hassled
>>698235946
Islamic law. I'm not saying you follow it, but if you did you would be required to know it or face death.
>>698235839
have fun going bankrupt for a minor injury that costs a shitton because of privatized healthcare
government does not = communism
>>698235839
I remember when I was 13
>>698235985
Haven't done much since then though huh.
you tithe to god, so...
>>698234536
Lol no. That guy sounds more like an old Ron Paul supporter than anything.
>>698234536
>stands against everything Bernie stands for
>gets accused of being a Bernie supporter
>>698236040
But governtard DOES = tyranny. And when they have tyranny, they can just take whatever they want from us to benefit themselves!
>>698235972
>Education could be privatized tho
hahahahaaa, they can easily coexist (and they do - at least in my country). total privatization would be a fucking nightmare wherein only the rich can get higher education
ever heard of student loans? yeah? I didnt, because my country isnt a fucking shithole that makes you a money-slave for having good education
>>698234279
Because if you don't the government will put you in jail
>>698236312
Ah to be young. Listen if the government isn't taking money from you it's gonna be anarchist raiders raping and murdering you. Pick your poison.
>>698234279
>a question a 12yr old would ask
Ask your teacher during social studies
>>698236324
I actually don't quite get what you're trying to say here. What can coexist? And I personally wish private education was more common in America. Competition makes everything better.
>>698236404
Young? In fucking 45 you indoctrinated pleb
Now your just fear no getting! That wouldn't happen in a million years as long as the governtards keep they're filthy disgusting hands away from my freedom and my guns
>>698236085
Sure they have! They tried learning to fly a plane a few years ago, it just didn't turn out very well
It's called a social contract
>>698236595
Sure man if you think you can handle yourself then just hightail it to Africa and enslave a local populace to support you. It's practically anarchy out there anyway.
>>698235839
>Yeah call me the idiot you socialist commie! Social security? Ha! Why do I have to pay for some nigger somewhere who chooses not to work and be carried by hard workers like me?
Because giving Jamal's mother £150 dollars a week coming from the other 200 million taxpayers each paying 0.00000075 cents a week means that Jamal might not end up a murderer, costing the government 30,000 a year to keep in jail. Or it means that Jamal's father isnt stealing your TV to make some money for food. And Jamal's getting an education, so might buck the stereotypes, and become the next Stephen Hawking, go to Harvard, and make the nation a trillion dollars by discovering the answer to interstellar spaceflight, etc.
A tiny sliver of your money going to support those who you imagine "chooses not to work" (even though the reality is that they are probably already working 80 hours a week in some shitty service job that treats them like dirt, and still not paid enough to afford to live a decent life) is an investment that prevents them from costing the state, and you, more in the long run.
>>698236619
How could I have forgotten. Excellent point my friend.
>>698236312
no government = no tyranny? how would that even work, moron. a democratic government is quite the opposite of tyranny, its basically the reason we made that stuff, because people were tired of dictators / tyrants
>>698236595
>>698234496
I have a gun, so your register belongs to me, convenience store clerk.
>>698234913
If I mow your lawn, without asking, am I entitled to everything you own?
>>698235007
I didn't sign any contract
>>698236595
> That wouldn't happen in a million years as long as the governtards keep they're filthy disgusting hands away from my freedom and my guns
>>698236556
a (cheap) state-financed education system along (expensive) privatized education
there's no reason to have ONLY privatized education, its fucking horrible
>>698236814
Well you're welcome to try and disobey the contract and use that excuse. I won't be trying to stop you.
>>698236905
That's a thug's argument.
I think that it has been years since I have seen an intelligent conversation on 4chan. It's just the lowest form libertarians sucking each others dicks nowadays.
>>698236893
I could see that.
>>698236975
Looks like you're starting to understand.
>>698236893
The reason is to not steal.
>>698236696
Fuck you and fuck that pipedrean of yours! It's not just Jamal, it's the millions of other that choose to fuck hardworkers like me by claiming "ugh I can't work give me money so I can buy drugs an fuck whores and play basketball"
If he wants to go to harvard he can PAY FOR IT HIMSELF
I don't think o can get my SIMPLE MESSAGE out to your fucking libtards. I wonder why that is... OH WAIT ITS CAUSE YOUR A LIBTARD
>>698236781
>If I mow your lawn, without asking, am I entitled to everything you own?
1: if you imagine it is "everything you own", then you are completely delusional, to the point of being a fucking retard.
2. Are you trying to say you do not want electricity, clean water, sewers, libraries, a fire department, police, a hospital, an education for children you may eventually have, or any paved roads?
Are you utterly living in la-la-land, or are you simply a fucking moron?
>>698237083
I already understood the government was a protection racket. You were supposed to be defending it.
government stole land
we pay because we are afraid of police
>>698236781
Depends on what was previously agreed. If you came to me with an unparalleled army and claimed you were entitled to my property, I might just agree with you.
>>698234279
From the Martians.
Boy, did they back the wrong horse.
>>698237188
So how much am I entitled to for mowing your lawn without asking? Based on what principle?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyaG4oUYtaA
>>698237190
I don't need to defend the government. It defends itself just fine.I'm simply saying that claiming you don't owe the government for that protection is wishful thinking.
>>698234279
Just take a look to africa, they dont pay shit and look how they live, like fuckin animals
Well it's been a fun discussion bros, I've got to shower before work. Try not to bite each others heads off too much.
>>698237150
>I don't think o can get my SIMPLE MESSAGE out to your fucking libtards. I wonder why that is...
That's because its a "simple" message, for very complex problems, and you are clearly so ignorant of reality that you struggle to grasp the complexities.
Sort of like a child, you're leaping on to the simple answer, because anything more difficult is too much for you to comprehend.
And the "liberals" who you scream at in anger, are a little more intelligent than you. They understand that a 3-second soundbite is not the solution. that a "simple answer" does not solve the issues.
That is why, when you start screaming about "SIMPLE ANSWERS!" etc, those people around you stop listening to you. Because you're a fucking mongoloid.
>>698234421
I agree kinda
>forced to pay for Obama care
>>698236814
A social contract is a concept, not an actual piece of paper.
Fucking either go to school or stay in it. Politics is not for you.
>>698235985
And perfected it
you are so retarded
the streets and all the infrastructures and all the state jobs
someone has to pay for them
>>698237287
>So how much am I entitled to for mowing your lawn without asking? Based on what principle?
I presume you have difficulty comprehending the idea that "your lawn", and "the nation-state" are not the same thing?
>>698234913
Federal tax is theft.
Tax can be theft because alot of people are getting taxed for things they shouldn't be.
Like bedroom tax in the uk. That shit is illegal by law.
>>698235642
>Two words.
Tax havens.
>>698236745
>democratic government is quite the opposite of tyranny
Untrue, a democratic government can be tyrannous.
Not all dictators were tyrannous.
for roads n stuff
>>698237777
government pay from taxes, it would be cheaper for ppl to pay directly to a firm building a road
>>698237612
Fuck you libtard sheeple
It's you who doesn't understand how morally complex it is for the governtards to STEAL my hard earned money
It isn't complex! You work, you get to keep your money. If you don't, then your not fit to live! It's a simple solution to a SIMPLE OROBLEM
>>698237150
>OH WAIT ITS CAUSE YOUR A LIBTARD
Topkek.
I'm not even anon you replied to but the system that's in place isn't beneficial to you.
>>698237777
Checked
>>698234279
you are fucking dumb
>>698237987
I'm fine with the overhead if it means I don't have to organize it.
>>698236814
they actually started offering services, like fire department, on a per contract basis in some cities/districts of the U.S. people loved it, until they chose not to pay in and their house caught on fire.
there was a story aboutique a year or two back it happen, the fire department just showed up to make sure that the fire didn't spread to the other houses that did sign the contract and just let the house burn to the ground.
>>698238046
Yeah he system ISNT BENEFIVIAL TO ME. They have to stop stealing from me for it to be BENEFICIAL
>>698237394
I don't. The government hasn't protected me whatsoever.
>>698234279
infrastructure you fuckboy
>>698234279
Read The Social Contract by Rousseau.
the rothchilds, dipshit
>>698238107
but now you have to pay for all the roads and in ancap you would pay only for the roads you use/want
>>698238174
Yup, those rich people really need to stop stealing from everyone.
But as long as the laws are in place it's not a crime. Hell, it wouldn't matter if there weren't any laws in place because they still get away with it.
>>698238233
>but, muh roads
because government isn't incompetent?
>>698234279
Well germany used to own my contry but then England and USA decided that germany should own fewer contries so i guess my government "bought them from england and USA.
>>698234279
That's a stupid fucking question. Think about what your tax money goes to. You aren't paying rent to the government faggot, you're paying for social programs, infrastructure, military and civil defense, salaries of public servants (you know cops, firefighters, beurocrats, elected representatives, judges, prosecuters, public defenders, etc.) and a whole host of other things.
You arent paying to live on Earth. You're paying to live in a country that provides you with necessary goods and services.
Maybe if you ever become a functioning adult you will grasp that reality. I know it's hard to when you live in mommy's basement and have no true responsibilities.
>>698238285
you pay a smaller percentage for all the road, instead of a higher for only the ones you use, because others are also paying for all the roads.
so it balances in the end.
>>698238424
Rich people aren't the ones stealing.
It's the poor people that steal.
What are you talking about?
>>698238233
>Implying this is actually the case.
>>698238016
Technically your money belongs to the state. You are using the currency they own.
>>698238016
>It's you who doesn't understand how morally complex it is for the governtards to STEAL my hard earned money
Says the man who doesnt understand the idea of social responsibility, regional or state infrastructure, the education of the masses, the socio-political impact of poverty on the poor and the interrelated impact on the economy as a whole, or, indeed, any of the real issues.
No, the big issue is the massive injustice that he has to pay 30% of his income in tax, and has yet to comprehend where any of it goes, but has been told by some swivel eyed nutjobs that its paying for black people who "dont want to work" and that's enough to get him frothing at the mouth in rage.
Yes. Clearly, its us who "dont understand".
Sorry, I might have used too many big words there for you. lets try a simple version.
>You pay tax. Tax pay for good things. Good things help you. Good stuff help everyone. Everyone helping together makes place gooder.
There. was that too complex, you fucking ranty crotchweasel?
>>698238016
>>698234279
Someone failed civics.
>>698238541
>Being this retarded.
Here's your tinfoil fedora.
>>698238597
>Implying our tax pays for good things.
>>698238437
Whether or not the government is incompetent is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that law enforcement, public education and national infrastructure are necessities for any civilized society, and the private sector isn't capable of providing those things.
>>698238798
YEAH WHO NEEDS CLEAN WATER ANYWAY. AFRICA IS DOING JUST FINE
>>698238724
I don't know where you're from that you have rich people breaking into your house and stealing your TV's.
>>698238543
>Technically your money belongs to the state. You are using the currency they own.
this is a very good point.
The money you get paid is theirs. They are the ones who back it up with the federal or national reserve, which gives it value.
So, when you are ranting about "my money", what you are actually saying is "my proportion of the nation-state's fiscal strength, that they serve to back up as a currency I can use to obtain goods".
If you want to refuse taxation, you really need to stop being paid. Maybe you can do barter. 5 goats and a few chickens a week. trade a goat for some veg.
>>698234536
Bernie wants to drive taxes up the wall you retard.
>>698238862
The private sector will provide anything people are willing to pay for.
>>698237841
>The government owns all my stuff, you would have to take it up with them
Thanks for conceding the argument.
>>698238798
What's your alternative? Holding onto your money and every person decides what is "good" and what isn't?
The whole reason these things exist is to make assholes pay for things we should all be pooling together anyways. No one lives or works in a social vacuum.
Your job and money has a lot to do with your context, and you should pay for your context.
>>698238923
They don't need to.
>>698238877
I'll grant you the obvious things our taxes do pay for but you're deluded if you think ALL our taxmoney is used for everyone's benefit.
>>698238597
not the same person, but taxes "paying for good stuff" is a half truth. There's billions of wasted tax dollars, tax dollars freely increased to pay the salaries of employees that don't do any extra work, just because they themselves feel they deserve it (congress) and billions of projects that our representatives that we elect, don't know about (failed military budgets) comply because they feel the need to use the rest of their allowance to try and shit out another device.
my issue with taxes is that they aren't adjusted properly over time, so once someone gets a job, let's say even a 16 year old, they're paying into taxes that they had no voice in, even an 18 year old that has yet to vote in an election.
>>698238923
that's because the rich people have become rich by working out the ways to do it that dont involve breaking in and taking an object to hawk down the pawn store.
The boss of your company. he's pretty smart. He makes himself 100 million a year, by delegating 24 people to run the board of directors. They delegate more, and so on, down to you. the schmuck who he steals 75 hours of your life, every week, while you toil around doing some menial task, day in, day out, and get paid a pittance for.
That's smart. He's making enough that he can buy a TV every 10 seconds and still be making money.
>>698234421
I love how you murricans pay taxes and still pay for education and healthcare.
Need to go to the doctor in Norway? $25 for an appointment to prevent abuse/hypochondriacs, hospital is free, can't afford the $25? Then you don't have to pay.
Education? $50 a semester paid to the local student union to fund parties and whatnot, nothing to the government. Oh, and the government gives practically free loans and minimum 40%/$5K scholarships to practically all citizens (not the rich ones).
How do you guys accept that shit over there?
>>698239071
But the problem is that people are only willing to pay for things for themselves. They won't pay for things needed by the whole community unless they're forced to, which is what the government is for. Study game theory, there are plenty of books out there that use it to explain why privately funded education and infrastructure will never be as effective as public education and infrastructure.
>>698236696
> Intelligent
> Black
pick one
>>698239075
no one is forcing you to pay tax, you know. You're free to leave, it's not USSR or DDR.
>>698238997
actually he didnt. if you read his tax plan you'd see that, but faggots like to just go by word of mouth and believe shit.
had someone tell me that if bernie won, they'd be paying 40% tax instead of 30%. showed them the tax plan where they currently pay 28% and they'd pay around 30% under a new plan. they'd increase 2%, 2% that they thought they already paid. fucking retards don't even know how much they currently pay and bitch about changes.
>>698234279
retarded... facking think about all the expenses the gouverment makes
>>698238504
it doesn't
>>698239092
>What's your alternative?
i have no alternative. Monetary systems don't work, ever.
>make assholes pay for things we should all be pooling together anyways
what about all the assholes who don't pay towards the pool.
>our job and money has a lot to do with your context
This is the problem.
There isn't enough jobs for everyone so it becomes a game of musical chairs. Someones going to have to steal for the babies. On top of that, we can replace upwards of 70% of our workforce with machines with todays technology so the game's approaching it's end.
How's your system going to work then anon-kun?
>>698239229
oh, of course its only half-true, and the government is wasteful. Every government is.
but the idea of objecting to a specific are, or the likes is absurd. Your 16-year old has benefited from taxes almost his entire life - he's been given an education that put him into that job he's just started. and while there's a crazy amount wasted on military, or something else, a VAST amount goes right back into your streets, your houses, the power grid, etc.
the 16-year-old might not get to vot for a year or two, yes. But their life has been shaped by the school that cost a million to build he's never had to pay for, etc. Others have paid that, and the government has invested money into it, so that the 16-year old is educated enough to do a worthwhile job - and with any luck, will be well-educated enough that he's not going to be stuck in that simple job for a 16year old for much longer - in another 10 years he's working in something that an uneducated man would never be capable of doing - and as such, will be making a more beneficial contribution to the national economy.
>>698239444
we also pay about half the amount you pay in taxes though. the issue isn't paying for it, it's the system built around education and Healthcare that drives costs up.
what I find funny is the reason you faggots get such cheap healthcare that your taxes can cover it, is indirectly because of us. it's been shown that the U.S. pays out the ass for medication, which drives R & D for better and more cost efficient meds, as well as selling cheaper and generic abroad sooner.
so eat my dick, we cut healthcare cost and make medicine cheaper and you're going to have to pick up the slack to drive the research for medication and proceedures.
>>698239615
>You're free to leave
No, you're not.
Name one piece of land that he can go to...
>>698239993
I didn't argue about whether they should pay taxes, or whether they can pick and choose the taxes they pay. I said I have an issue with how often we as a country and our reps look at the taxes, rates and expenses to adjust accordingly. instead they take the time to not go into work, or when they do, they vote on giving themselves more tax money.
>>698239391
>75 hour week
Fuck that noise. 40 is bad enough.
>>698235640
yeah, to a real god. not like christinsanity with their pedo beta fag jesus, and thinkink he is god,
Topek
>>698237394
Not wishful thinking, principled thinking. Wishful thinking is claiming that the government won't act as though it's owed.
>>698237698
Not a contract, an anti-concept. A social contract is neither social nor a contract. It's just an excuse for might-makes-right
>>698240105
Isla de Afterlife
>>698237841
I presume you have difficulty with the idea of a "moral principle."
>>698234279
You don't pay to live in there, You pay for the services the government provides, like roads, security, health services, etc.
Now if you perceive that you government is not giving the services you are paying for you are in your right to protest to demand what you are paying for.
>>698238116
I'm in favor of such behavior. Btw, that was actually one city offering services on a fee to citizens of a nearby city that didn't have it.
>>698240480
>>698237764
no you did not. sloppy and arrogant
>>698240562
>right to protest
You don't have that right silly anon.
>>698236753
Right. The police have more guns, so your gun, the money you took, and the next years of your life belong to them.
>>698240046
Quick googling suggests that the average effective Norwegian tax level is "under 30%" while murrca is at 33.5%, average income isn't that different either. it's your own fault you let pharmaceutical companies fuck you in the ass, don't blame the rest of the world.
>>698240762
It is generally agreed that true writing of language (not only numbers) was invented independently in at least two places: Mesopotamia (specifically, ancient Sumer) around 3200 BC and Mesoamerica around 600 BC.
This was before you were muslim.
>>698240980
>it's your own fault you let pharmaceutical companies fuck you in the ass
>What is the war on drugs
>What is rat city
Because having an economic system of sorts is the only way to keep a society on this scale together.
And fuck outta here with that "resource based" BS, it will never work.
You don't want to pay? Then go into the forest, build your own house, kill your own food, treat your own sicknesses, and die at age 30.
>>698240762
The invention of writing was not a one-time event, but a gradual process initiated by the appearance of symbols, possibly first for cultic purposes. Canadian researchers from the University of Victoria suggest that symbolism was used by cave painters of the Neolithic Age. "[V]on Petzinger and Nowell were surprised by the clear patterning of the symbols across space and time – some of which remained continually in use for over 20,000 years. The 26 specific signs may provide the first glimmers of proof that a graphic code was being used by these ancient humans shortly after their arrival in Europe from Africa, or they may have even brought this practice with them. If correct, these findings will contribute to the growing body of evidence that the 'creative explosion' occurred tens of thousands of years earlier than scholars once thought."
>>698241314
>You don't want to pay? Then go into the forest, build your own house, kill your own food, treat your own sicknesses, and die at age 30.
This is illegal.
>And fuck outta here with that "resource based" BS, it will never work.
Implying the current system is working.
>Because having an economic system of sorts is the only way to keep a society on this scale together.
Your inability to think outside of your circumstance is the problem anon.
>Be forever sad.
>>698234279
Property doesn't exist if you can't prove it IE prevent someone from just taking it. You can't do that, not alone. The government invented property, they get to say, in no uncertain terms, who owns what and for how long because they are the most powerful force in the given area. That God we evolved as a species to conceive of justice and freedom and democratic rule, or trust me you'd be REALLY disappointed.
>>698240945
You realize by your argument, Hitler was morally correct?
>>698242494
He didn't mention morality. You did.
>>698240980
You realize Norway's economy consists of "lots of oil small population" right?
Has nothing to do with Norway's economic model. Compare to taxes in the rest of Scandinavia.
>>698242597
If he wasn't arguing about morally correct government action, what was he arguing about? Because that's what this thread is about.
>>698239444
Southerners unfortunately have a lot of political power here. That and we have a history of corrupt politicians putting in measures to ensure we never succeed. It's glorified slavery, but with extra steps to make us not see it.
>>698242790
Regardless, read the conversation from the start.
Also, you're plain wrong. OP doesn't mention anything about morality.
>>698236814
By sitting in your comfy home, using electricity, using your phone/pc to write here, using the water that comes out of your sink and all other goods, you are SIGNING to all these goods that are provided by the government and it's sub-parties. If you dont feel comfortable by paying taxes feel free to leave your place and start living a wild life without having to pay nothing.
>>698234421
Because we have to pay for the mistakes of bringing niggers into our country.
>>698243116
This is illegal. Do not attempt at home.
>>698234279
kys
>>698242723
Denmark: average 24.09%, no oil.
Sweden: no total average, but about 30% at average salary, also no oil, but in addition a shithole of a country.
>>698242924
>Corrupt politicians
Good job admitting the actual problem instead of making excuses, unfortunately fixing corruption is fucking hard.
>>698243599
A bullet to the head will fix it.
>>698243825
You'll need a lot of bullets.
>>698243949
There's a gun for every 9 people.
The government protects us, so we pay them money, it's literally the reason governments were started.
>>698234279
I visit /b/ only to see all the retarded stuff and ideas, you guys never disappoint.
If you don't wanna pay taxes, then don't pay them.
>>698244209
That can't be right..
Norway has a gun for every 3 people, the estimates I've seen for the US are far higher.
>>698244657
Some counties have less. Uk for example.
Statistics are always wrong anyway.
Israel has lots of guns but those guns don't count as civilian owned guns(even though the civilians have them) because they technically belong to the military.
It's like the uk unemployment percentage. If you're on jobseekers or the sick you don't technically count as unemployed.
>>698242994
You clearly do not understand OP's question.
>>698243599
Those numbers are clearly ignoring most of the taxes paid by Scandiniavians.
>>698240980
>>698243599
a quick Google search shows that Norway actually has a tax burden of 45% plus. 4x that of China and twice that of the U.S.
not sure wtf you're talking about, but Norway pays double what we do.
>>698245954
faggots hitting on income tax and ignoring the rest of the tax that Norwegians pay, that U.S. do not.
>>698245515
OP's questions are...
>Who did the government buy earth from?
>Then why do we pay the government to live here?
None of these questions pertains to morality.
>>698234279
You could always go live by yourself
>>698242494
But he was.
I'm not even a stormfag
>>698245627
Those are income taxes. Sure, we have double the sales tax the US has, but the overall level is far from as extreme as US media is claiming.
>>698245954
Funny that you say that, according to the tax office/skatteetaten the maximum tax level in Norway is 46.9%, but most people don't get close to that tax bracket.
Source: skatteetaten dot no/en/Rates/Maximum-effective-marginal-tax-rates/
>>698246093
What taxes are you referering to? Sure, there are taxes on cars, fuel, booze and tobacco, but that's not really things that everybody need to have a good life and HAVE to pay.
>>698246808
>that most people have to pay.
that's Google national average tax burden. you obviously don't know what average means.
>>698237875
>Like bedroom tax in the uk. That shit is illegal by law.
Not sure if you know this but the governent can change the law...
>>698237987
You know exactly which roads you want to use and where they go?
>>698247194
Yeah i know that, that shit's still illegal.
Y'know by law.
>>698246948
That's the fucking numbers I've been posting all along you retard, except for sweden where I couldn't find any reliable numbers and went with income tax as stated in that post (but Sweden is still an irrelephant shithole).
Norway is 5 fucking % above the US on national average tax burden. We have practically the same fucking taxes, aside from double sales tax (most of those 5%).
>>698239444
Most of the people here are retarded, regardless of race, gender, etc. I honestly wish we could ship the <100IQ people over to europe so you guys could have a taste of this bullshit.
Sadly, because of democracy, those retards are allowed power and tend to use it how they shouldnt, thus fucking over everyone in the process.
Yet somehow, people still wonder why many of us abuse others. Were tired of each others shit and just want the retards to shut the fuck up whilst at the same time being ignorant/retarded in our own ways.
tl;dr its a shitfest
>>698246213
It is a MORAL claim that if you purchase property you may extract rents from it.
>>698239555
Generalizations dont apply to individuals. The majority of blacks are dumb and should go, but theres no need to get rid of the ones who actually do shit. Niggers call them "Uncle Toms".
Prolly bait, but plenty of retards will be dumb enough to interpret it incorrectly.
>>698239615
>free to leave
lmao
Nothing is free anymore. Even if its free for one person, someone else has to pay for it.
>>698247938
Not necessarily.
Face it, Op was vague intentionally so that people would project whatever meaning they felt onto the question.
>>698240320
Welcome to minimum wage for the poor people who actually want to not be poor. You need to pay for everything to support yourself, but you also need to pay for your education. There are even higher setbacks if things go medical and insurance doesnt cover it or you dont have insurance. There are actually lots of factors to take into account once you pay attention to the details, like how poor food makes you unhealthy, and excessive work (75+ hours) leads to both mental and physical health problems. Its all a mess, and those fucking welfare queens just make it more of a pain in the ass because plenty of people think that all poor individuals are like that. Sometimes you just fucked up in your first section of life because your parents were shitty, barbaric welfare queens and you had fuck all for guidance.
>>698234279
are you an idiot?
Alright retard, go run off into the woods and sit on your ass all day.
Yeah have fun, fuck da police ANARCHY 4 LIFE XD X3
>>698240980
>what is one vote doesnt make a difference.
I can fight all i wish, but voting wont work and other methods will land me in a prison even if i didnt break a law (muh political hemming).
>>698234279
oh fuck my sides
this is some kindergarten type of stupidity
>>698249018
Stereotyping this hard.
What are you? A feminazi?
>>698242494
Nobody mentioned morality at all. Just the inconvenient truth of the universe that ownership without might is an illusion.
>>698244209
There are much larger consequences to killing a politician than you believe, even if he or she is corrupt.
>>698246213
You DO know that morality is an exceedingly important part of running a society, right?
>>698249404
Silly anon, i'm not plotting anything...
>>698249500
Your point being?
>>698249323
wew lad careful with that cognitive dissonance.
>stereotype me huh, well I'll just use an ad hominem that has nothing to do with his point, that'll show him!!!!1
Government provides us services, in turn we pay them what we can afford from our earnings to ensure they keep providing these services. Government makes sure you can't break laws or perform shady business practices and tries to make the market a fair competitive industry (ideally) by protecting consumers.Government are in control because humans want guidance and protectors. In any human society there will be a ruler or a dominator, just be glad the one we have is (ideally) benevolent, or benign at its worst (there are exceptions: Nazi Germany, North Korea, any communist country). Government can go wrong, but that's why we vote and have the ability to get involved. It's a much better system than trusting every single human to not want to get rich, be selfish/greedy and to build this utopian society where we meditate all day in a circle and don't have conflict.
>>698249964
We're discussing ownership, which falls into several categories, morality being a sub category of a sub category. Laws are designed to revolve around many things, including ethics, which has to do with morality. Of course, law isnt the only thing to be taken into consideration, as you have brought up ownership through might.
>>698250919
Meditation is tight af though. I'm glad some hippie circles are still around.
>>698234279
Because you use the postman, the garbage man, the electricity and water system, the road etc.
If you live in your wodden hut in the forest the government won't ask you to pay.
>>698250152
cognitive dissonance
nounPSYCHOLOGY
the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioural decisions and attitude change.
In my one reply you sussed all that out. You should be a psychologist anon-kun.
>stereotype me
This is an assumption.
>I'll just use an ad hominem
What's this anon? Is it hypocrisy?
>>698249018
>Alright retard, go run off into the woods and sit on your ass all day.
On a side note, lick mah hairy taint.
>>698250934
Too many excuses anon.
>>698251215
The problem is that all of those sort of things are forced on people, and no one gets a choice to do otherwise without extreme consequences, ie jail, serious cash expenditure, and god knows what else. Its well known that you can get put on a watchlist for close to anything.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1227228-2013-watchlist-guidance.html#document/p43
Heres a link for those curious about watchlists.
Also, just defending that side of the argument. Personally, i like my fucking water and roads.
>>698251448
lol okay
>>698252144
>>698252033
>>698251949
>>698251312
Hey, FBI porn flood to hit the image limit to get rid of the current conversations-kun, pls gibe job.
>>698242494
Except that he got beat. the argument is that might makes right. Hitler lost the war.
>>698252472
>Image limit
>25 images
You retarded anon-kun.
>>698243348
Its legal if you can find a place to stay that doesn't have an owner claim it. and you can manage to live on only what you find there
>>698252472
I'm providing incentive anon-kun
>>698252654
>Its legal if you can find a place to stay that doesn't have an owner claim it.
Where?
>>698252482
Might makes right only in smaller groups. Eventually, when a population gets bigger, it actually wants to be treated with a bit of respect, whether they deserve it or not. This is where morality comes in. Hitler wasnt moral, so the rest of the world hated him (on top of other things), and thus he got BTFO. Anything that neglects morals ends up getting hated and alienated, and no matter how strong or intelligent they are, they cant really defeat the rest of everything. This is why rebellions happen.
>New Teen ImgBoard..
http://bump-forit.ru/
>>698252570
>not knowing about flooding
Shills flood unacceptable threads with porn similar to the way that spiderman pops up in incest and loli threads.
Its 25 now, but if this wasnt brought up, he wouldve flooded until the image limit.
>>698234279
Taxes are a small price to pay for the utter bullshit your nomadic ancestors had to deal with on a daily basis.
Guess what? Youre gonna eat and if worst comes to worst your government and charities have a social net. You will never sleep outside, or go hungry.
Without these systems in place youd be saying something more like "who actually asked to be alive? Then why is that mountain lion looking at me that way every night?"
>>698252570
They also use porn because its a massive derailer. People stop conversing and start jerking their meat.
>>698253030
Sause???
>>698253044
Hey anon-kun.
>>698252570
>>698252383
Samefag.
>if this wasnt brought up, he wouldve flooded until the image limit.
I don't think your complaints would've mattered.
>>698253224
>you will never sleep outside or go hungry
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
People sometimes literally send themselves to jail so they dont have to be homeless. Homeless shelters can only support so many people, and its almost always women and children (thank god for CPS) first.
>>698234279
The government is a necessary evil. It protects people and instills order in society. You wouldn't last a week without some system of government.
>>698253334
/gif/
>>698253484
>You wouldn't last a week without some system of government.
Bottled water and frozen meals.
>>698253435
Well, at least newfags who read this thread know what really goes on. I used to have all sorts of sauce on this sort of thing, but i purged that shit a while ago. I generally have something better to do than shitpost, like, you know, work.
>>698253771
>I generally have something better to do than shitpost, like, you know, work.
Oh the condensation.
>>698234279
Technically, they don't own it. But they own and maintain a lot of the critical infrastructure built on it. They also maintain the security of that infrastructure and citizens who use it against foreign governments who may want to destroy or co-opt it for their own use.
So what YOU pay for is the privilege to reside within and use that infrastructure with a reasonable expectation of security. Which is why libertarians are utterly retarded unless they spend the money to build an artificial island in international waters, maintain it's security against pirates or foreign governments, and basically build their own micro-nation from the ground up. Strutting into an existing country and declaring you don't owe them shit just makes you look like an ignorant douche.
>>698253484
Necessary, sure, but not necessarily evil, at least to the magnitude that it tends to be. Sure, people have to die every now and then, and shit happens all the time, but when as many people are as dissatisfied as they are now, something needs a little changing. Surely youre reasonable enough to understand that.
>>698253933
No really though FBI-kun, I want a better job. I dont really have any loyalties to anything right now and id like some new skills that go beyond hurr durr i can do a civvie job that solders some wires or twists a few bolts. Ive reached a point where im quite tired of the mediocrity of normal civilian life.
Higher education is great and all, but its too slow, and the system they operate within is very, very inefficient, thus why you have a bunch of overeducated, underskilled retards.
>>698253933
Also, moar girl cocks.
>>698254374
>Ive reached a point where im quite tired of the mediocrity of normal civilian life.
Drive taxi
>>698254503
>>698254607
Will a caravan work? I've been trying to access the romani high council for some data and being able to use the caravan would save some money.
It'd be much more satisfying if i was being paid for it.
>>698254648
Thanks m8. At least you flood with the good shit.
>>698236876
>american
>>698237875
>A democratic government can be tyrannous
Pretty much, Mussolini pointed this out in the 20's
>>698254996
I don't know because i've never heard of a caravan in my life.
What is romani high council.
>>698255008
how are you not paid for it? I figured theyd at least toss you some scraps.
>>698253665
Who will you buy bottled water and frozen meals from? Imagine a world without a government. Bottled water comes from corporations who make the bottles, purify the water, etc. Companies mass produce the frozen meals. If there are no governments, then who is there to regulate the food, the water, and those companies? You would live in an oligarchy. If you want small communes who are self sufficient, you're basically sending us back to the stone ages. There would be no progress, no time for science, technology, etc. There would be no motivation to do any of these things. There would be no doctors because there would be no organizations to train them. People wouldn't want to be doctors anyways because there would be no reason to train many years to become a doctor if people were simply bartering for their services. etc.
Do you actually think about a world without a government?
>>698255144
Internship.
>>698234279
Infrastructure and basic public services? I know this is b8, but there are actually people out there that believe this shit.
>>698255128
Hahaha man they dont fill you guys in at all huh? If thats the case, Im not spoonfeeding you. Finding info is my life passion and specialty, and its hard. You should be able to find most of the data you need with google. Its the information they have buried away hard copy thats special, and they know it because of their unique lifestyle. Anarchists and the like have been trying to get their hands on it for a while from what i can tell. Have fun shill-senpai.
>>698255209
I've already bought them.
On a serious note.
>If there are no governments, then who is there to regulate the food, the water, and those companies?
The same people who do it now. Not the government.
>If you want small communes who are self sufficient, you're basically sending us back to the stone ages.
Exaggeration.
>There would be no progress, no time for science, technology, etc.
Presumption.
>There would be no motivation to do any of these things.
Projection.
>There would be no doctors because there would be no organizations to train them.
False.
>People wouldn't want to be doctors anyways because there would be no reason to train many years to become a doctor if people were simply bartering for their services.
More projection.
>Do you actually think about a world without a government?
No, i don't. This is an assumption.
>>698255538
Hmmmmm? I already posted my tinfoil fedora. I'll get a special one for you, you little drama queen xD
>>698256064
We just need to fix the government. Even if you somehow manage to destroy the leviathan, another one would grow naturally over the generations. Muh samsara.
Also, the power vacuum would allow neo nazi/sjw/any other extreme group a chance at filling that vacuum, and extremist groups drool over the thought of that sort of thing.
>>698256262
Good good. Convince yourself that nothing is going on. Just less people to deal with.
>>698256421
These things, i know them.
A government seeks to preserve itself first and foremost.
>>698247848
no. you're an idiot and don't know the national average tax burden of the U.S. and norway
>>698256464
What happened to the dick girls?
>>698253454
the majority of people that are homeless in the U.S. read majority, not all, are there because of some sort of disability. either mental, or drug related. There's a shit ton of shit jobs out there that the capable can do, and shitty apartments they can rent, if they're willing to try.
besides that point, the ones that are homeless through no fault of there own, weren't paying into the taxes in the first place.
>>698256568
I don't need to convince myself that the fbi would spend their budget hiring people to post porn on an imageboard to derail supposedly "serious" conversations.
I mean, it's just so damn obvious.
On that note...
How do convince u am not fbi-sama?
>>698256631
>>698239444
You're lucky to get good treatment if you can book an appointment. Why do so many people from all over the world come to America for medical help? Enjoy paying 99% of your earnings so you can send Muslims to college and hospitals
>>698234536
obvious troll
>>698257004
this is actually a common misconception. as americans, we pay more for medical care so we goto the doctor less, which makes us more susceptible to preventable diseases.
on top of that, we receive shit tier quality of care because we can't afford the proper treatments when something serious comes up, so we are stabilized and let go.
>Why do so many people from all over the world come to America for medical help?
Because, while all other cunt ries treat everyone equally.
America sells the best treatment to the highest bidder.
>>698234279
>That's a damn good question, right there
It's not a good question, it's a stupid question. You don't pay the government to live where you live, you pay the government to provide society with services, such as transport, medical care, education, etc. Don't want to pay? Fine. Move somewhere that government doesn't exist, and enjoy your terrible quality of life.
>>698235007
The government is shit I would gladly give up all of those things and easily do every one of those things better and fast than they do. I don't need a military or police protection. Fire maybe still a little work and time spent and would be able to do without that as well. Just a bunch of control freaks with God complexes that do shit jobs and fell backasswards into the spot.
>fell backasswards
>>698257356
You wont get through to them.
Right wing american are world famous for hating taxes AND thinking they dont have to pay it.
>>698234279
No its not. Read a book you fucking pleb.
Hurr durr the government oppresses me.
We are the fucking government. Everything you have, you owe to the government. Every system has its issues. Work to better it then. Fucking keyboard warriors
>>698256064
If you don't have a government, you just have a bunch of corporations and organizations which aren't regulated. If you have a bunch of unregulated organizations with loads of money and resources, they are the ones in power. Without a government to regulate companies, there is nobody stopping them from asserting their power and creating an oligarchy. They wouldn't have any obligation to pay anyone at all, and there would be nothing stopping them from asserting their power, buying a personal army, and enslaving the people.
On the point about the doctors, explain a system then in which people would be motivated to become doctors without a government? What motivation would there be to upkeep colleges and universities and educate doctors without a system of currency? Nobody is paying them, so they do it out of what? The good of their heart? Fuck no. Professors and people who run the universities need to eat too. So who is going to spend shit tons of effort to train them?
Fuck schools and infrastructure AMIRITE
>>698234279
itt: children and people arguing with children
>>698256595
that's a dirty ass
>>698257536
They are right though, they don't HAVE TO pay taxes. All they need to do is go somewhere else where they aren't subject to taxation. They'd never do that though, because they'd lose out on all the benefits of modern society.
>>698236042
So what was that a month ago
>>698257802
>The good of their heart? Fuck no.
This is projection.
>So who is going to spend shit tons of effort to train them?
No-one, because...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0kcet4aPpQ
Your lack of faith in humanity is disturbing.
I have not met a person in real life who would not want to be part of glorious master society.
ITT: Edgelords
so many shills itt
think of the average person that visits this place and the average conversation that takes place here
then look at this thread
too fucking obvious
>>698256914
Considering how most of your post is about belittling, youre probably just b8ing, but ill bite.
Read more. Read books on social engineering, psychopolitics, economic warfare, social control/sociology and the like. A lot of the people on this site are young and impressionable, making it a higher target of social control, sort of like how schools are used to implement certain ideas in the human psyche, AND its a massive population to boot. Read up on psychology/neuroscience as well. Its much easier to implant ideas than common sense would imply. Furthermore, study up on black ops and other forms of government projects, ranging from nazi germany, to japan, to the US. Also, dont forget to study up on history and power structures.
You really make me wish i didnt purge my system. I'd send you the books themselves if i still had them around.
Regarding your last sentence, no one knows who anyone is on this site apart from what we can assume based on the text and image given, which indicates more data than someone like you would know. You superimpose this data with history and any other form of information one has regarding online posting, including that image floating around that gives a brief overview of the common tactics shills use. Furthermore, its well known that FBI lurks on this site.
This post goes out to anyone else reading too.
>>698257989
No, it's really not.
>>698234279
Actually, if you don't take anything you generally don't have to pay for anything.
>>698256905
And the mentally ill deserve to be on the street?
Also, you proved my point by saying that people lived on the street, even if they are mentally ill or drug addicts.
