Hillary is fucked. Even if Trump is worse, there is no way she is getting elected.
Gary Johnson thread. We need an adult in the white house.
yup, fuck the faggots complaining about only having 2 options
Gary Johnson AKA safety pick for rights to complain about whoever does end up getting elected
>>696444054
I like what Jill Stein has to say. Green party pretty attractive at this point.
>>696444955
>being 2016
>still choosing between giant douche and turd sandwich
I'm Gay!
>>696444054
First step is to get him to 15% in the polls to get him on the debate stage. I just wanna hear what he has to say.
why would i waste my vote on someone who doesn't stand a chance?
>>696445080
Yeah but look at Gary's poll numbers tho.. He might get into the debates
>>696444054
ehh... if he didnt pick the Neckbeard sperg party i would probably vote for him.
Taxation is slavery!
I have no idea how debt spending works!
But im so fucking socially progressive!
>>696445477
because you got nothing better to do
>>696445477
To make a statement. Your vote will mean more than it would voting for giant douche or turd sandwich.
>>696445477
But he does. He's almost at 15% in the polls
>>696444054
Even Trump and his neanderthal supporters were able to figure out "Free Trade" is killing our good jobs.
Johnson is a complete cuck to corporate interests and would be even worse for the economy than Trump.
I'm voting for the Gilf party instead.
>>696445080
I was told that Stein is an anti-vaxxer
>>696445660
when i voted for ross perot and ralph nader, i got flooded with letters from congress telling me they're going to change their ways.
...said noone ever
>>696445811
>cuck to corporate interests
Literally all of his campaign contributions have been from public donations. And he's against bank bailouts.
>>696445395
Getting him on the stage would change the whole conversation, which is why both sides of the Washington DC elite collude with each other to keep honest debate out. And so we are stuck with a reality TV star and a career criminal, and no one seems to care.
>>696445477
>waste my vote
you mean use the single vote you are given to select someone you might actually agree with on the issues instead of just voting to spite the opposing candidate that you do not prefer?
Yeah, waste.
>>696446060
A lot of people do care, though. That's why gary's poll numbers are rising
>>696445811
I'm in NY and am voting Jill as well. I think if I were in a contested state, I'd have to rethink it though. Trump seems like a joke of a candidate to people with brain cells, but this is real. As long as Florida goes blue, we'll avoid the meme of a Trump presidency.
>>696445946
oh my god that would piss me off so much, lol. I hope not.
>>696446035
His policies would lead to a complete corporate takeover of the country and its people.
>>696446035
He's from the system, Anon.
Stop taking the bait.
>>696444054
Hillary is going to win.
All Johnson can do is fuck Trump.
>>696446478
>evidence
And like thats not already what would happen with hillary/trump..
>Hillary covers up multiple emails containing classified information
>Hillary wants to let millions of savage migrants into the country and turn us into Cologne Germany
>Hillary covered up the Benghazi attacks and has let soldiers die
>Hillary orders people to kill political figures who disagree with her openly
>Trump said he doesn't like illegal immigrants
>Trump is somehow worse than Hillary
>>696445477
just can't stomach the idea of voting for the other two. The only way anything changes is if we vote against corruption, vote against all the two-party horseshit.
>>696446035
>Abolish EPA, NSA, CIA, FBI, IRS, DEC, civil service commission, DHS, TSA
>privatize government
>free trade with nations willing to throw human suffering for corporate profits
>consumption tax
dude is a bigger meme than Trump
>>696444054
I'm gonna vote for him online!
>>696446862
welp. this was meant for the Feel the Johnson cuck
>>696446607
actually with the WikiLeaks scandal coming out, seems like Trump is more in line to win at the moment.
Especially when she just spit in the face of every Democrat by hiring DWS immediately after she stepped down. She honestly does what she wants and expects everyone will just fall in line behind her when November comes
>>696446772
Trump lies constantly and has no idea what the fuck he is doing. He rambles and makes vague promises but presents no actual policy solutions. He's a danger to the country and unqualified to be president.
>>696446655
>let's get rid of the laws that prevent corporations putting lead in gasoline
>whoever is still alive can vote with their wallet if they don't like it
Fuck off corporate bootlicker
>>696447037
lol did you hear about his ghostwriter for The Art of the Deal? Fucking slaughtered him
>>696444054
>open boarders and hate speech laws
ill pass
>>696445395
>I just wanna hear what he has to say.
Go listen to the libertarian debate. they were all retarded
>>696446862
Oh shit is this true? Damn..
>>696447019
I was a Bernie fan. Was beginning to be on board with the Hillary train just because Trump seems very transparently awful....tthhhheeeen this DNC shit. And she just expects us all to hop on board with her now, lolololol
>>696447206
DONT FORGET BOIS AND GURLS
if, but rather when, hillabilly drops out, michael bloomberg said hed step in and take her place
>Open Borders
No.
This is coming from someone who voted for Johnson in 2012 because I was still mad about Ron Paul.
Trump shutting out the #NeverTrumpers was satisfying. As most of those assholes were the same people that shut out Ron Paul, a taste of their own medicine will do them good.
Trump 2016
>>696447368
lel Max has the right idea
I'm voting Gary for two reasons:
>voting third-party makes me sound smart and enlightened despite doing no research
>i want to be that guy who the losing party points to and says "we could have won it if this asshole didn't waste their vote!"
>>696447406
Kaine seems like a legit guy, no drama, solid moderate liberal. Hope he can stay on.
>>696447473
No. Go fuck yourself
>>696445811
That Free Trade that you commie fucks hate so much is what built the US, it industrialised the world, it set merchant navies ahead of developing countries, it allowed free and unregulated action between two companies, free and total unrestricted employment, prices and wages.
Free Trade is the best thing for any developed economy, there is no alternative. There is either Free Trade or Dictation. If the Government feels the need to restrict the companies of it's citizens, it should not be in control of the people.
Corporate interests are neccessary for the economy to remain healthy. I used to feel the same way as you, lost in a dream state where fighting against the greys in suits was the best thing to do and I thought it was the right thing to do, then I came back to reality and realised that big business has requirements to operate fully and to be able to attract as much investment, commerce and supply as they can possibly gain. If they don't, your uncle in the Ford factory gets fired because the Lehman Brothers stopped funding production and shipment of pickups to Mexico. Your mother loses her job at the office because her boss is downsizing after the bank he had investments in just disappeared out of thin air, and there won't be a bailout.
I understand the sentiment behind your message but it won't solve anything by removing corporations or banks. I believe we can remove the stigma that comes with serving businesses if they were more transparent and less restricted, so they don't resort to outsourcing to a dangerous factory in China where 20 child workers could die if they don't get paid their $5 a week. Instead of that, they could hire Americans, who would do the job at minimum wage, just long enough to find a better job. That is how it works in reality and in employment.
Get a fucking job and maybe you'll have some sort of idea of what the economy is and what it needs to serve you.
>>696447710
>free trade is good!
Have you ever heard of the TPP?
>>696447703
Triggered
>>696447710
>Corporate interests are neccessary for the economy to remain healthy
I'm surprised you managed to type all that nonsense with so much corporate cum in your eyes.
>>696447710
the problem is, while unregulated, these businesses are under no obligation to not just shit on all their workers so so hard and abuse them. Do you think a guy like DTrump is gonna be like 'ah yes, lemme give my nice workers raises, they are nice and have families!' or do you think he'd be inclined to keep that money? Regulation is important.
>>696447658
if you support Hillary or Trump to the point where you will post on an anonymous board to defend either of them, then you a retard, plain and simple
that doesnt have to happen if retards like you actually followed the election process the correct way instead of the bipartisan way, ruining the country
>>696448020
Yeah, a partnership designed by the Government for the Government, written by the Government, voted for by the Government, approved by the Government, applied by the Government, felt by the companies, paid for by the people.
>TPP
>Free Trade
Pick one
>>696445477
Fuck you thats why
>>696447710
what's good for corporate interests isn't good for the economy, dipshit.
the economy is people who need to eat, grow and raise children. corporations are vampires that feed upon people.
>>696444054
i agree 100 percent with you man not joking at all, now if only he had an adult opinion on immigration # Donald Trump's foreign policy and gary johnson's domestic policy (or lack there of ... and i mean that in a great way)
I'm a bernie supporter, and I'll never support the DNC again until they gave a genuine socialist who advocates for massive economic reform.
i'm going to vote for Trump because he is not as capable as Hilary, and the mechanisms of tyranny are likely to fall apart in his unskilled hands.
>>696447710
How do feel about private prisons and private healthcare out of interest? How is the corporate interest in these industries i.e profit better for the economy?
>>696444054
>Hillary is fucked
says the faggot voting for the no-name no-chance candidate
kekekekekek
>>696447710
Free trade works between similar nations, like those of the EU, that will play by the same rules. When you have nations willing to pay slave wages, there's no chance a corporation ops to build in a first world nation and pay union wages for something they can import with no tariffs
>>696448306
>Government
It allows corporations to SUE COUNTRIES, you fucking moron. It's a glorified corporate welfare check.
Also you're committing the no true scotsman fallacy.
>>696445811
A quick reminder that a vote for Jill is a vote for Trump.
Stein is a great candidate, but you're throwing away your vote. She will NEVER get elected, and it sucks we have such an unwavering two party system, but it is what it is.
I don't know about you, but I begrudgingly pick Clinton over Trump any day. At least Clinton is harmless, she'll probably be like Obama. I'm good with another 8 years of Obama.
Clinton is already behind Trump. If you throw away your vote on a third party candidate, or don't vote, it's the same as voting for the him.
>>696448610
That's dumb. You're dumb. Don't vote.
>>696448306
The TPP was literally written by multinational corporate businesses you fucking knob.
They were able to do that BECAUSE they have so much unregulated influence with the government.
>>696448610
kek one of the more rational reasons ive seen someone say they would vote for trump, cant even hate
>>696448713
hey, everybody knows the government is just a giant monster who is in no way run by people who were funded by corporations. government people are separate from corporate people and as soon as a person leaves a corporation to work in the government they immediately turn their back on the companies they worked for and own shares in
>>696448785
>A quick reminder that a vote for Jill is a vote for Trump.
YOU SHUT UP FAGGOT
>>696448785
A quick reminder that there are 4 parties in this 2 party race, Gary Johnson is polling better than Stein, and most registered independents identify as republican when given the 2 party option
tldr: Johnson will play the larger spoiler and your narrative is shit
>>696448610
Bernie supporter here too.
Vote Johnson you stupid fuck.
>>696445080
If you were voting for Sanders, that's pretty much what she is.
Big governments are shit though.
>>696448785
A vote for my candidate is a vote for my candidate and no one else.
If Hillary loses my vote because she's a bad candidate, then its her fault for being a bad candidate. You aren't going to get away with trying to shift the blame.
I'm going to vote for Jill Stein with a completely clean conscience as should everyone else on the economic left.
>>696448807
enjoy your white lady barack obama
"change" indeed
>>696448189
Unregulated companies won't shit on their workers, or abuse them.
When you take a job, you sign a contract with the company, it is a written agreement between you and the corporate entity. It lines out all the things you get from the job and what they expect of you.
Usually, when taking a job, they tell you the salary, working hours, holidays, sick days, maternity days, etc. You don't loke what they're offering? Don't sign the contract.
If you think you're the only person who would decline that job, you're mad. Companies will not get employees with unsatisfactory conditions often enough to keep them in production.
And before you say anything about minimum wage, the problem with the American system is you have too many young dumb acting whores who pay their performance arts degrees off by waitressing in jobs they haven't read the contract for.
Set up a workers Union, call a fucking strike, demand the companies give you a basic salary. Do not force the Government to jump on. Put pressure on the employer and threaten their production through the workforce. Simple.
Companies are a far sight more democratic that you thinl and in some cases, more so than the Government you guys love so much.
>>696444955
Gotta love the Gerr Bear
>>696445080
>>696449094
My problem with her is that while she's sincere, she's a fucking idiot.
Case in point: Look up 'green jobs'.
Gary Johnson at the debate :
"Trump is a pussy Trump is a pussy Trump is a pussy" Cant say anything else.
Donald Trump just keeps making funny faces.
Hillary Clinton is in prison.
Donald Trumps becomes the 45th president of the United States.
>>696448785
>A quick reminder that a vote for Jill is a vote for Trump.
And that's a bad thing why?
Best possible outcome this election
>Tump pres
>Johnson and Stein get at least 5% popular vote each, getting federal funding for their parties and destroying the two party system
>The entire Clinton and Bush families get lives in prison for treason after investigations regarding 9/11 and the 28 pages
>>696449093
that would split the conserviturd vote and give hilary an easy win
>>696449135
no one said "change" you dingus. "Change" usually is the platform of the challenging party, not the one in power. Legit, just don't vote. It's beyond your mental capacities.
>>696448088
Finished wanking yet, you fucking degenerate?
>>696449094
Except Jill Stein can't fundraise for shit and you're frankly helping Trump win
hope trump gets elected and starts world war 3, would be hilarious seeing all these tough-guy, marine wannabe, trump cocksuckers fucking cower and whimper in their basements fuck all of them. hashtag Hilary4Prez
>>696449151
if you form a union, you get fired dipshit
>>696449326
>implying most of the other bernie supporters won't flock there too
Guaranteed libertarian victory.
We have to make it known we're not standing with the Democrats.
>>696449413
Nice b8
>>696448122
For profit corporations have proven to be the most productive organizing principal yet implemented.
Please tell me about your proposed improved replacement.
>>696449151
not sure if satire or just total retardation
>>696445811
Free Trade creates more jobs than it takes. Look at what prior to WWII. You and you ilk are the true problem with this country. Read a goddamn book or two.
>>696448785
>Clinton is harmless
Clinton shill confirmed
>>696449509
If the libertarian fgt gets more than 12% i will shit myself
feel the johnson2016
>>696449598
>implying being a Clinton supporter is an insult
>>696449662
Feel the desperation of trying to paint Johnson as a serious candidate 2016
>>696449428
Or you don't get paid 8 bucks an hour anymore lol.
>union electrician
>>696449151
>Unregulated companies won't shit on their workers, or abuse them
Before we had laws against it, people worked 14 hour days, child labor was legal, workers were literally shackled to their machines, etc.
You're completely delusional.
>>696449374
>Haven't driven a truck in years
>I don't do drugs nor any form of tobacco
>I prefer Maker's Mark to Old Crow
>I prefer Yuengling to PBR
>No gun(Yet)
>Not a racist, nor member of the Klan for that matter
>What even are those sunglasses?
>No Dixie flag
Nice strawman image.
>>696449360
I assure you I have thought about this so much more than you. hilary will carefully further the dronestrike war on terror, whereas trump is likely to overstep and bring the system crashing down
i prefer death to slavery
>>696449654
If he gets less than 30% I will sell myself as a sex slave.
>>696449114
this 100%. Hillary may now kindly eat a dick.
>>696449374
Fuck yeah!
>>696444054
LMAO WEED
>>696449595
>can't prove Free Trade arguments
>tells anon to look it up
kek
>>696449673
I bet you love fighting for lgbt rights and niggers running the world. I bet u get all the girls and u make more money blah blah blah we get it ur either a troll or an insecure faggot
>>696449151
>Unregulated companies won't shit on their workers, or abuse them.
Have you ever learned, like, anything about the industrial revolution? Like ever? Workers were abused as fuck back then, and it wasn't until the government stepped in that things got better for the working class.
>>696449374
I own none of these things and still think Trump would be a better president than Shillary.
He has fewer felonies under his belt.
>Bernie to Johnson
>Bernie to Trump
There is 0 reason this should ever be the case. I can see going to Jill for the progressive platform, 95% of which is the same as Bernie's was, but Johnson's economics are a meme and Trump's entirety is a meme.
>>696444054
DUDE
>>696449561
there's plenty of cooperatives worldwide, and they create a profit for their shareholders i.e., the produce they create.
there would be a lot more cooperatives but they were targeted by fascists before and during world war two
>>696449853
Are you retarded? Hes not gonna climb and 80% is already for trump or clinton
>>696445946
I doubt it, but I wish that were true.
>>696449918
I'd love to have niggers run the world just to watch the color drain out of your face when you found out.
>>696449151
>Unregulated companies won't shit on their workers, or abuse them.
they already do in a regulated system
If you think you're the only person who would decline that job, you're mad. Companies will not get employees with unsatisfactory conditions often enough to keep them in production.
people have kids and mortgages and bills, thats why people often stay in jobs they fucking hate. thats life
And before you say anything about minimum wage, the problem with the American system is you have too many young dumb acting whores who pay their performance arts degrees off by waitressing in jobs they haven't read the contract for.
problem with america is people like you who think that living in world based on an ayn rand novel is fucking sane
>>696449673
It should be. She has more felonies that most niggers and you dumb cucks are still supporting her.
>>696450088
As a lesser of two evils. A good campaign will have a good portion of both supporter bases flock to him.
>>696449839
It's a good thing you don't get to vote until after that edgy middle school phase you're going through.
You don't salt the earth because you don't like the plants that are growing. You're just fucking up your hopes for the next cycle.
>>696450190
Ladies and gentlemen, tonight we present...
THE TROLL
>>696449326
you do realize Johnson appeals to conservatives and libtards, right? Whenever I ask people I know on both sides what they think of him, they say he seems great, but he doesn't have a chance so why bother
it is shit like that which will get us 4-8 years of a retarded candidate that no one really wants except those who are mentally retarded....
seriously, how many people at a Trump rally or Clinton rally do you not see as being actually intelligent?
>>696450237
>Unregulated companies won't shit on their workers, or abuse them.
they already do in a regulated system
>If you think you're the only person who would decline that job, you're mad. Companies will not get employees with unsatisfactory conditions often enough to keep them in production.
people have kids and mortgages and bills, thats why people often stay in jobs they fucking hate. thats life
>And before you say anything about minimum wage, the problem with the American system is you have too many young dumb acting whores who pay their performance arts degrees off by waitressing in jobs they haven't read the contract for.
problem with america is people like you who think that living in world based on an ayn rand novel is fucking sane
>>696446118
>someone you might actually agree with
If you feel that way about either major candidate, good for you. I would be overjoyed. Hasn't happened in my lifetime.
>>696450346
>I bet you love fighting for lgbt rights and niggers running the world.
because this so totally isn't trolling, and shit-tier to boot
>>696448380
You think food, water and children are free?
>>696448653
Private Prisons should be run entirely for Non-Profit. They should pay workers the same as their public servant counterparts, if not more, as it is a private company. I don't understand why you have a private prison system in the first place, your criminals aren't civil goods, they're criminal people. They should be in the hands of the Judiciary in a Government holding centre until justice has been met. Private healthcare I can understand. Why would you tax the entire street to pay for one guys broken arm? It seems senseless to ask the entire country to pay for something that quite a lot of them won't receive, especially when it comes to cases of Drug Addiction, Non-Accidental Injury, Gender Re-assignment Orifice Surgery (GROS).
Profit in private healthcare could fund new research into cures and vaccines. A private hospital with the cure to cancer can sell the cure for buttons and still make 100% more than the rest of the entire market.
Private Prison systems could also detain the worst criminals in secluded areas, away from suburbs, inner cities and city limits. They could also fund research into better defense equipment for security personel to sell for more profit and enhance national security from criminal citizens, they could maintain a steady and reliable detention center should there be an influx of new criminals.
There is an endless amount of ways those industries could be profitable for the economy, if only they were transparent. If we had just one law restriction companies and corporations, it would be that.
>>696448680
Then it's a shame that the developing nations don't charge more per hour. Maybe you would like them to stop developing and stay poor?
>>696450294
So saying fuck you to sandniggers, tax cuts, lgbt/sjw defeat and banning slaughtering babies is evil ok bud have fun with that idealogy
>>696450346
Come on man. Nothing wrong with making you experience first hand the nigger-run world you never thought once had a real chance of happening.
>>696450346
>just one troll
>on /b/
gtfo
>>696450345
We are fucked no matter who wins next election the population will be younger next time and will be even more sjw friendly so if trump doesnt win george bush was the last republican president
>>696450478
If you consider Johnson a major candidate, then yes
>>696447323
same here
>>696450430
Second time lucky, dimwit.
>>696450855
>major candidate
>polling with less than 10% of the vote
kek
>>696450428
I don't care what people at rallys think, I want a president to overstep their power so monstrously the entire us government is forced to undergo massive reforms
>>696449673
It should be. She has more felonies that most niggers and you dumb cucks are still supporting her.
>>696449561
>the most productive organizing principal yet implemented
Literally the same argument could be made for the global slave trade of the 1800's. Which isn't surprising since people like you are advocating for a de facto return to it.
>>696450592
>charge more per hour
nigga its an international corporation building and hiring locals for 30 cents and the government allowing it because at least nike came to town and gave people jobs. There are 3rd world nations you sheltered middle class imbecile.
>>696451013
look
faggot is butthurt
>>696445528
I'm not sure the establishment would ever allow for a 3rd party.
>>696449217
Idk about the Green Jobs, but I don't support what she says anyways.
Forcing green energy isn't necessary because there's no way the market won't go that direction. I don't like her healthcare views because when I become a doctor I don't want to rely on the fucking government for money -- it's also why I'll never want to be a public school teacher.
Gary Johnson and Libertarians are more inline with the Founding Fathers and the Enlightenment.
>>696450592
as a matter of fact, the first food, the first water and the first child required $0.00 to purchase
>>696450848
Again, don't vote. And kindly do everything in your power to make yourself sterile.
>>696451149
Yet I'm still able to exercise better judgement than your sorry ass.
>>696451267
Not that anon, but 3rd Parties are always not allowing themselves to be anything worth voting for.
Where's the Green Party's $27 average contribution? If they're so fucking cool, why can't they even pull off that kind of success?
>>696451267
That's why you should vote for him.
A vote for the establishment is the real waste.
>>696449673
Oh, my sweet summer child, but it is
>Both her and Bill's campaigns benefited from social turmoil and conflict
>Both of them are in foreign investor's pockets
>They pander to the minorities and poor people in general by acting like big corporations and systemic racism is their problem
>Actually supports racist and are totally bought by crooked Wall Street faggots
>Garners suppourt from tumblrina types and PC fag SJWs while at the same time having a history of voting against marraige equality and Hillary being a "Goldwater Girl"
Voting for Shillary
Not even once
>>696451404
>still believes cringing conspiracy theories about Clinton's supposed criminality
>claims to have "better judgment"
kek
>>696451316
Do everything in your power to destroy your computer, get off of my /b/, and then kill yourself.
>>696450855
The anon I was replying to was speaking of a MAJOR candidate, as in Dem or Rep. Don't reply unless you've followed the conversation, although I feel like you and I might have a more productive one.
>>696451131
Maybe the locals should stop charging 30 cents and form a union. If the company goes to another country, let that country's citizens do the same. Eventually the company will have nowhere to go and will most likely pick the developing nations anyway, because there is longevity there.
>sheltered
>middle class
Kek, I grew up in a warzone ya dumb fuck
>>696451082
>696450294
So you don't have an answer other than "slavery!"
That's what I thought.
>>696451456
Sanders' views are 99% the Green Party's views. There is clearly a significant portion of the left who would support it if the system weren't so rigged for two parties.
>>696451513
>making cringing conspiracy-ridden comments like a 12 year old
>dares to call other posters "summer"
still kekking faggots
so far I win this thread big.
>>696444054
Jill Stein is cute! CUTE!
>>696445477
I voted for Johnson instead of Romney.
Because Romney's a twat, and Johnson was the best candidate.
Trump has my vote all the way. He's the best candidate this time.
>>696451004
I actually agree with that, now I need to figure out who is worse so I can let them destroy America, my job is with a defense contractor so I should be fine with either of them
>>696450990
13% is enough to throw the vote off balance and take the Presidential vote to the House, so yeah I'd say major
>>696451802
Yeah the fact that the Green Party can't fundraise for fucking shit and make themselves into credible alternatives is so totally sign of the system being "rigged."
>>696451810
her ties to goldman sachs is not a theory and that's enough to turn her into a bad candidate for me
>>696451903
Try 8% faggot.
If even that. I don't know who's the bigger joke, Johnson or useful idiots like you who pretend he has a chance.
>>696451810
>win this thread
>>696451976
Right because it's so totally illegal to take money from a financial outlet.
Silly me.
>>696451666
I guess that's why you're fine with exploiting human suffering for corporate profits and cheap goods. In the meantime, while that 3rd world nations is getting up to speed, our working class can go screw. Good plan.
>>696451311
Then you moved onto fucking feeding the stupid cunt child a sausage for breakfast and a pig had to die, raise by a farmer on a farm with land and rent and rates and utilities and stock and employees and wages.
If you're complaining that food, water and children aren't free to have and look after, then go and do it yourself. Go kill a fucking deer, skin it, butcher it, freeze it and feed it to your little baby mate because nobody is gonna pay for your fucking child because you either decided to have one without the ability to pay for it yourself or you were a dumb cunt and it's a mistake baby.
>>696444912
That's right!
>>696451620
Well, hopefully you'll off yourself when Hillary isn't elected. Then we won't have to deal with your borderline retarded IQ for the 2020 election.
Liberal trolls here fuck up the decent discussion threads and they never fucking leave i wanna fucking destroy the entire interent somedays
the only way we'll see change in the long-term is if we stop voting for the lesser of two evils short-term. voting third party is not throwing away your vote. it's the only way to break out of this bullshit.
>>696451810
>Dismisses fact as "conspiracy theory"
>calls me a 12 year old, yet posts like a 12 year old
>"so far I win this thread big."
>I win this thread
>big
I do dare to call you summer because you sound like an adolescent minded troll
>>696444054
O B L I G A T O R Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb8cErokGFs
>>696451810
Claiming you win this thread makes you automatically lose in life. GTFO faggot.
>>696452151
Yeah well nobody's going to vote for the shitpile Trump is offering, faggot, so no real fucks given.
Thing is you're going to turn into bigger assholes when Clinton starts trying to pass legislation next year.
>>696452151
See>>696452189
Dont waste your energy
>>696449397
I don't care if Trump wins, I'd rather have him pick a court justice than Clinton.
Funny thing, when I say I'll vote for Johnson the others say I'm letting Hillary win. I could vote for everyone if I don't vote at all.
>>696451620
>Clinton's supposed criminality
I am not the anon you're looking for, and I don't necessarily believe she's a criminal, anymore than Snowden is (he isn't), but I don't have to consider her a criminal to think that she is unfit to lead the country.
She's a war-mongering globalist. Trump may in fact be worse, but I don't know what he stands for. Yes, his words are often brash and empty. That is actually appealing to me.
I KNOW what Hillary wants. I'm not sure what Trump wants. It's an improvement.
>>696451634
Don't use all that preteen angst up on me, fam. You need to enlighten the world through some sweet facebook posts on how you're gonna watch the world burn now that the DNC hurt your feelings.
>>696452079
there were no farmers at that point
>>696452304
>doubling down on childish cringing conspiracies
>thinks they're facts
kekekekekekekekek
>>696452078
I'm struggling to see where your interests lie. With the corporations inability to employ people in its nation state of choice, or it's inability to employ the people of a developing world.
>>696452121
Underrated may may
>>696452352
triggered this hard
>>696452189
Tolerance.
>>696452079
>this dumbass thinks there were farmers rent utilities and wages at the dawn of humanity
>>696451938
It sounds like you have no idea how elections work. The resources the two main parties have out of the gate are staggering compared to third parties, and it isn't an accident it is that way. You would benefit from learning a bit more about how these things work or you just come off as a very confused person.
>>696444054
>implying Trump is worse than Hillary
>>696449374
Where can one get this starter pack you speak of?
>>696450592
>Why would you tax the entire street to pay for one guys broken arm?
Because if I break my arm, I'll get treatment too. Do you not understand the concept of public services?
And look at France and Scandinavia; they have highly socialized medical care, and they are rated as having the best healthcare systems in the world (France is #1 I believe).
>A private hospital with the cure to cancer can sell the cure for buttons and still make 100% more than the rest of the entire market
Wait, WHAT? You think that's a good thing? Is corporations making money the only good outcome to you, or something? If there's a cure for cancer, I don't want companies jacking up the price and selling it only to those who can afford it, while everyone else continues to die; I want that shit available to everyone. Would you like to privatize the fire department as well? Make people pay money or their house burns down? There's a readon why these things are socialized. Dipshit.
>There is an endless amount of ways those industries could be profitable for the economy.
Profits for corporations won't be profitable for the economy, it'll be profitable for corporations. Corporate profit does not equal good economy. (Not necessarily, at least)
>>696452468
Preteens dont even go on 4chan you fucking retard
>>696452426
If you want Trump picking Court Justices like he did his VP, you're probably just a right-wing dipshit who wants to set this country back 50 years, so can't say I sympathize.
>>696452021
useless* i believe you meant useless*
if you are going to try and insult us, at least do it correctly
who are you voting for faggot? would love to know, but wont even have to point out their flaws because I assume you already heard all of them and dont care because you're a cuck
Gary Johnson has to be Trump's best friend right now. Trump supporters aren't going to vote for the guy. All he would achieve by getting on the ballot is making a Trump victory a certainty.
>>696450848
>implying thats a bad thing
>>696452431
>She's a war-mongering globalist.
>because I say so
>I KNOW what Hillary wants.
no you don't because if you did, you wouldn't be talking this shit.
>>696451666
>If the company goes to another country, let that country's citizens do the same.
The world is a big place Satan. You know that would never work.
>>696452386
If the shootings and bombings continue, then yes he will get elected. I'd much rather have a presidential candidate with an unclear platform than one that will clearly change the day after she's elected.
>>696452697
Fuck that any more of this shit and its becoming a spam thread
>>696445477
>>696446118
Your vote counts in many ways. I think both parties are "too big to fail" and treat their jobs like a see-saw between coke and pepsi. I vote for the thing I want. I voted mostly independent and libertarian on my local ballot. My wife is a delegate at the DNC right now. She's doing the same as me.
>>696452070
Nice story.
>>696452543
When given the choice and chasing a bottom line, there's no reason a corporation wouldn't choose a "developing" nation. Exploiting slave labor and importing for nothing means cheaper goods to undercut any American goods. Do you know what tariffs are (or were if Libertarians have their way)?
>>696452733
Tough fucking shit. Sanders still managed to do a grassroots effort without the DNC floating a dime.
And until Stein and other wannabes--who've been around for a good decade now--step up their game and raise say, 20-30 million dollars, then we'll talk.
Otherwise, don't insult my intelligence.
>>696452756
www.imatolerantbetafaggotforhillary.gov
>>696452516
Good GOD you're fucking retarded
>>696452798
No you're useful idiots believing that a nobody party and a nobody candidate is worth the risk of Donald Trump winning the White House. He needs faggots like you to vote against Clinton.
>>696444054
Former Bernie Sanders supporter here.
This man is a disgrace. Listening to his speech right now proves to me that he was always a liar, always a con man.
If you've listened to him talk for the past year then you already know he has contradicted almost everything he said on the campaign trail No one could do a 180 on their personal beliefs that quickly. He was obviously controlled opposition all along.
Lying, thieving, back stabbing crook.
Fuck you Bernie. Fuck you hard.
>>696452918
Obvious trolls wtf r u even doing now
>>696452776
>they have highly socialized medical care, and they are rated as having the best
You speak as if there is a causal relationship here.... there's not. Also, rating does not equal quality.
>>696453030
I doubt it. Trump's only plan appears to be "Build a Wall" and "Indict Hillary Clinton."
Trump's a chump.
>>696444054
I will die of old age before a 3rd party candidate gets elected president.
>>696453247
>Sanders still managed to do a grassroots effort without the DNC floating a dime.
And yet he utilised the democratic media to send his message, something entirely impossible regarding a third party.
>>696453429
how the fuck could you even vote for Clinton with all the shit on her, especially leaking out every day?
>>696453142
Yeah well maybe you need a bedtime story. 12 year olds like you need to get your rest.
>>696453467
This pasta got old real fast.
>>696452776
>Would you like to privatize the fire department as well? Make people pay money or their house burns down?
This is how it is already. People pay taxes to fund the fire department.
>>696453410
Yeah I'm totally retarded for calling out you conspiracy fags. You're the real intellectuals here.
>>696453467
I agree, Bernie should have bernt down the fucking DNC for being antidemocratic
>>696453467
cry harder butthurt faggot
>>696452121
My. Fucking. Sides.
>>696448202
*you're a retard
not you a retard
>>696453467
He got more progressive points onto the ticket by running as a democrat, losing, and making a deal for his endorsement than the Green Party has done in 4 election cycles and 16 years. I mean fuck, they can't even get on the ballot in half the fucking states. Bernie is pretty genius.
>>696453147
What's the problem then? Or is your solution import tariffs?
The 1st order function on a company is to maximize profits. That is a clear, clean motive - a useful thing in a complex world.
>>696453604
>impossible
Seeing as I think the Greens and Johnson are flaky bullshit anyway, not really going to argue this any further. My point stands: 3rd Parties don't happen because of attitudes like this.
>>696452922
Actually, YOU are the one who doesn't know Hillary, if you think she isn't a globalist through and through.
>>696453761
you're naive if you think politicians can get away with taking goldman sachs money and not giving anything back
Obama was a decent president.
Hillaries a corporate puppet
Trump is the hand in the puppet
Bernie is a sad fool
I know nothing of Jill Stein, she will hardly be considered.
Same thing to Gary.
I think Trump will win. Then he will turn over control to Pence. We will have 4-8 years of another Bush administration.
All that said. I'm voting Bernie. If he does win, 4 years of presidency is good enough punishment for his endorsement of the lying cunt.
>>696453546
And so are all of Clinton's supporters. You match so perfectly, so why not vote for Trump since you're such a chump?
>>696453845
Yeah but anon probably isn't even a liberal. You don't swing from Sanders to Trump and be expected to be taken seriously as a progressive.
>>696444054
Congrats on being part of why she will win. Every vote for Johnson is absolutely a vote for Hillary. He is pulling almost entirely from the right that would have sided along party lines if not for trump.
The polls are pretty solidly looking 45-35-10 Hill-Tru-John. With the remaining 10% divided.
She is gonna win decisively.
>>696453967
>globalist
I think you like using cute buzzwords you read off a blog somewhere
>>696453429
If I wasn't voting for Gary, I'd go Trump. So you should THANK me, actually, for going JOHNSON 2016.
>>696454042
>obama was a decent president
that "decent" president took single payer off the table for his campaign financers
he's every bit as bad as hillary will be
>>696453984
This isn't about me. It's about you stating that taking money from a bank is somehow corrupt or immoral.
You're just making shit up.
>>696453621
That's right, Hillary dindu nuffin for those Goldman-Sachs millions. Banks love to give money away.
Gary Johnson is bae
>>696453726
Exactly, you have to pay taxes. If you don't, the government doesn't withhold services from you, it just punishes you, probably with a prison sentence.
In a private system, if you can't pay, you don't get the service. Great for things like restaurants and shops; not so great for things like healthcare or police, where potentially people's lives are at risk.
>>696454047
>can't handle Trump being called out for his total lack of a plan
>I'm rubber you're glue
kek
>>696454176
Like it matters.
>>696454153
>Johnson getting 10%
topkek
>>696452791
How would someone do that? The country isn't stupid enough to segregate, but it is stupid enough to elect some dipshit who thinks free healthcare is a right.
>>696454282
You love to embrace cringing conspiracies involving Hillary Clinton.
>>696453766
They pretty much did the next best thing. The DNC is a complete mess. Hillary was even booed off the stage I think.
>>696454484
>free healthcare
said nobody ever
>>696454571
This isn't a thread about describing your wet dreams, faggot.
>>696453726
>Would you like to privatize the fire department as well
Absolutely. I would prefer that, but that's a local issue. Federally? Privatize most shit. But also repeal 75 percent of our laws. Abolish the IRS, Homeland, welfare, ACA, Patriot, cut ALL spending by at least 50 percent, etc.
>>696454539
Conspiracy? Dude that is straight up a fact, what bubble are you living in?
>>696454403
And trust me, medfag here, people don't want to pay for health insurance. They are short sighted. But they love to run into the ED after 8 years of heart failure has caught up with them and have two week, 1,500,000$ ICU stays. You have to be paternalistic, ya gotta force these people that act like children to pay into the system or they will bankrupt it
>>696452021
He's polled 11 and 12 percent on polls that include 1000 people in the last couple of months.
>>696454661
What's a "fact?"
Kind of hard to keep track of your various derpbubbles.
>>696453891
Read up on the Libertarian economic model because you clearly don't know what you're voting for
>>696454699
Nobody fucking cares faggot.
>>696452272
That's what I like about the early American elections, information wasn't as national so the states would have all sorts of different candidates compared to now.
>>696454167
By globalist, I mean someone who is in favor of a world government. I believe Hillary is one such. You are free to disagree.
>>696444054
there is literally nothing wrong with being jewish
>>696445080
Green party supports government funding for homeopathy. Deal breaker.
>>696453546
And so are all of Clinton's supporters. You match so perfectly, so why not vote for Trump since you're such a chump?
>>696454214
Yeah, but through Obamacare, HIP was created. Now I don't have to pay $1,000 monthly for my fiancé's treatment. Nor the exorbitant prices for her other medications. My grandmother isn't being robbed of her pension because of medical bills either. The only bad thing to come of it is us in the grey area. I pay $80/bi-weekly for useless healthcare that I don't have a use for, because it's company provided and shit. My brother complains as well that he has to pay for healthcare he won't use.
So far, I'd call it imperfect, but that's what happens when the GOP gets a say in healthcare.
>>696454932
What about figuratively?
>>696454745
I wasn't the one who you've been replying to, but I was referring to the Goldman-Sachs donations
>>696453486
Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's a relationship between how a healthcare system is run and how well it performs. What's your explanation for how well they're doing? Cuz it's certainly not privatization.
>>696454782
Back atcha m8
>>696444054
>Voting for some guy who lost the election in 2012 and won't even clench 10% of the vote.
It's like you guys don't know you're going to lose.
>>696444054
Kill yourself, faggot.
Trump 2016.
>>696445660
Faggot no die.
>>696455095
well then fuck it. get the cross.
>>696455104
It's not illegal to take money from Goldman Sachs. Nor is it "corrupt." Not really an argument against Clinton.
>>696454992
god dammit. I didn't know that. Like...teaching meditation and mindfullness or are we talking full retard energy-healing pseudoscience? Stein is a Harvard Med grad, hard to imagine she would back that.
>>696454078
True. Dumb people seem to believe that the ashes of the current system will be ripe for the progressive movement, so you need to vote for the chaos that would be Trump and what it crash. That's just asinine.
>>696450237
Seriously dude... read a book. Working conditions were FUCKING HORRIVLE before govt intervention.
In most at will states (which is also a policy very libertarian) you are fired for even attempting to start a union. I was an RN with my bachelor's down in TN and it's literally impossible to organize down there, was not only fired, was black listed. Moved up north, doubled my salary, have much better conditions.
Your experiences do not cover everyone out there, don't act like they do.
>>696445811
Kill yourself, faggot. Trump is a god, you cuck libertarian faggot. Fucking die.
Trump 2016.
>>696455235
Has the Messiah returned?
lighten the mood
>>696454932
John Stewart is Jewish so I'm inclined to agree with you.
>>696454653
I can't even tell if you're being serious. This is so fucking ludicrous..
>>696455238
I find it weird that she wants to break up big banks but she gets plenty of donations from them.
>>696455084
this is like saying obama was too dumb to know the most basic of bargaining tactics: ask for more than you're likely to get so you can settle for more
i'll repeat what I said: obama took single payer off the table as an opening bargaining move
>>696455377
She's not white.
>>696454921
You do realize that eventually the planet is going to unite under some sort of alliance?
You're not going to continue to exist as a tribe member from East Dakota or wherever you live no.
In the next 50 years especially, given our shrinking resources and our stupidity not to go to Mars to find them, there are going to be more and more calls for a collective society.
>>696455238
You obviously don't know how political donations work if you think what that other guy was saying is a conspiracy
god they need to bring IDs back
>>696455377
We're trying to be sperglets, fuckoff
>>696454403
>Exactly, you have to pay taxes. If you don't, the government doesn't withhold services from you, it just punishes you, probably with a prison sentence.
>In a private system, if you can't pay, you don't get the service. Great for things like restaurants and shops; not so great for things like healthcare or police, where potentially people's lives are at risk.
I would rather have freedom and risk my life than be imprisoned for not complying with someone's idea of what I "should" do. Fuck you. Charity's awesome, but it's voluntary, or it ain't charity.
>>696449906
See, I know you're trolling but I'd just as readily assume that you know nothing of the events that occurred to lead to WWII economically.
>>696455620
if this is true, we should be electing socialists instead of just neoliberals
>>696454653
This already happened. Rival houses beat the shit out of each other while houses burnt down. Socialism works for things like fire departments, police, roads, schools, military, healthcare (in most developed nations), prisons, courts, etc.
>>696454453
Wait until the election faggot. His numbers are growing, Trump isn't gaining on Hillary. Even the most conservative poll has him lose the match-up, just varies by degree.
>>696454407
I can handle it, but Hillary doesn't have a plan either. She'll just bend over for the highest bidder.
>>696455620
You guys really are nazi's.
>>696455523
He got the ball rolling, which I think will be worth it in the long run. No one else would touch it, and as long as healthcare remains a "for-profit" enterprise, we will continue to be charge unorthodox prices for drug we need to live.
>>696455637
I've made my case here.
No wrongdoing in taking money from Goldman Sachs, no corruption, not criminal activity.
To harp on it is being obsessed with conspiracy.
>>696455244
She's tried to shy away from it, but it's the Green party's official position to "support the teaching, funding and practice of homeopathy".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Stein#Political_positions
>>696454688
Better yet, set up a system of euthanization that won't bankrupt the system.
Kill those who destroy society by clinging to life for no good reason.
>>696455709
Not trolling
Sick of faggots who make biased statements like "Free Trade creates more jobs than it takes" without expecting to get some shit flipped their way for saying it.
I get it. Neoliberals and right-wing economists agree with you. It's still just your opinion, basically, and know that others not only disagree with it, but are actively fighting to change these kinds of deals to benefit workers.
>>696455889
I thought HDNW
>>696456332
>human trash confirmed.
>>696452121
>>696456297
Yeah but seriously, homeopathy is the least of Jill Stein's problems. The Green Party is a joke that can't even break into the mainstream.
>>696455667
I have to agree with this. Mind you I'm a moderate libertarian and don't want everything privatised, but both sides seem obsessed with growing the government. Libertarians just seem extreme because as a fringe party only extremes would support them. If they became a standard you would get a watered down version (like most things). I support that.
>>696456627
>human trash
>on /b/
gtfo
>>696456382
Not trolling either, but the Great Depression was primarily caused by the fact that countries treated trade as a zero sum game and went ballistic with tariffs. Free trade allows small companies trade with markets outside the US.
Why don't you get your GED before making biased remarks? This is middle school level shit right here.
>>696456021
I don't want anyone who has ever taken speaking fees and campaign contributions from bankers in government anymore, that's my position
>>696449943
not true
things started getting better because the workers unionized
then the unions became lobbying groups that pushed laws that gave unions a monopoly on labor
congress initiated fuck all
all of it was done by unions
and before you start spewing shit about unions only became effective when they got government protection
I live in a right to work state (any worker can be fired for any reason at any time, and any worker can quit at any time for any reason)
there are unions for every major manufacturing industry (mining, metal working, plumbing, electricians, police, fire, medical, military) that are very effective even when they can't force any one working in their field to pay dues
I hope all you weebos vote for Johnson lol.
>>696456297
That isn't really damning either. Her quotes on the matter don't say much but aren't supportive either.
>>696447693
Kaine's further right than Obama, who is further right than the DNC platform.
Clinton is further right than McCain. They generally voted together during her 1.33 terms as Senator. She only voted left on women's issues.
>>696456779
>both sides seem obsessed with growing the government.
Not that anon but how can you believe small government is realistic in a country of nearly 400 million people and millions of square miles in area?
>>696455908
Nice ass.
>>696455111
>What's your explanation for how well they're doing? Cuz it's certainly not privatization.
I don't have one any more than you do. There are many other systems, public and private, that are not doing well. If you are asking my opinion on how to improve the US system, I have some suggestions. Above all, education of both patients and physicians. Realistic expectations. A reduction in frivolous prescriptions and surgeries. An end to limitations on new medical schools (this means breaking or taming the AMA). An end to limitations on new NPs and PAs (same thing).
An end to the war on pot. Recent study showed a HUGE reduction on opiate and antidepressant prescriptions in states that have approved medical marijuana.
TORT REFORM. When doctors can't afford to practice because of insurance premiums, something is terribly wrong.
I could go on, but you get the idea.
>>696456870
Not against trade. Against companies paying workers less than $2 a day in some cases and corporations exploiting lack of environmental laws.
In its current state, trade deals create money for corporations, not living wage jobs.
You do have the wherewithal to at least acknowledge this?
>>696455432
Actually, it's not. You are just so indoctrinated that you think so.
>>696445477
You are the reason that American democracy is a fucking joke. Do you think it matters of you "win"? You're not supposed to vote for who you think will come first... it's not a fucking horse race you knobspanner. Vote for the candidate who best represents your views... if everyone does that, the system works. If everyone votes tactically you end up fucked anyhow.
>>696457222
The trips has spoken
>>696456886
>Goldman Sachs
If that is your major dealbreaker concerning Clinton's ability to be President, then you're just being ridiculous.
>>696455667
I think that's bullshit. People have the right to access to certain services, whether or not they can pay for them up front. You really don't understand the concept of public services, do you?
>>696457491
since 2008 yeah it's a huge dealbreaker
>>696455620
>You do realize that eventually the planet is going to unite under some sort of alliance
I realize that many of you are in favor of this, but I am not. I don't like someone thousands of miles away telling me how to live. I hate that you are okay with this, but all I can do is try and persuade you that it's not the best idea.
>>696455757
>Socialism works for things like fire departments, police, roads, schools, military, healthcare (in most developed nations), prisons, courts, etc
Does it really?
>>696457631
this is why we need horizontalist anarchy so that the people run the world instead of elites
bernie was a rogue candidate that hillary hired... i cant believe people dont see this..
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>>696457567
>Goldman Sachs
>not even once
Yeah even though nothing happened because of Clinton taking money from them, including a Presidency, and since you're also aware Clinton broke no laws, you're going to let Trump win because of Clinton taking money from the financial sector.
hokay
>>696457775
yes
>>696457631
yeah well maybe someday you'll grow up too
>>696456936
>then the unions became lobbying groups that pushed laws that gave unions a monopoly on labor
Jee, I wonder who enacted and enforced those laws...
>>696457238
Of course, but those countries would be shit holes without those corporations. While I disagree with the morality of the situation, 2 dollars a day is 10 times what they would get sucking dicks in an alley or shoveling dirt.
Look at most of Africa. They fucked themselves HARD. When the colonial empires fell apart and left, they destroyed what was left instead of using it to their advantage.
Long story short, I'd rather have companies paying living wages in those countries than those people languishing with little chance of survival.
>>696457775
No. We all look like Kim Jong Un and bleat to the heavens like sheep.
>>696457503
>People have the right to access to certain services, whether or not they can pay for them up front. You really don't understand the concept of public services, do you?
You really don't understand the concept of rights, do you?
>>696444054
still for bernie. I don't know about jill...
>>696457356
>indoctrinated
Thinking that taxes can benefit society abd that abolishing the CIA would fuck up the country is indoctrination?
Tinfoil hat time!
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