Explain this, if girls want sex as much as guys then why is it such a difficult process?
If I was a gayfag I could walk up to any guy in gay bar and have see on the same night, with girls you have to act like next James Bond... Hence they don't really want sex
They do; only with the "right" guy. Women are still hardwired in the brain to be selective with whom they choose to be their partner.
Childbirth is time consuming, possibly fatal and a drain on resources both before the child is born and after.
You, acting like James fucking Bond, shows the girl that if she would choose you that you'd impart some of that which she finds attractive on the child. This matters even if she actually wants to have kids with you or not. It's very sub-concious.
OP would you have sex with me (pic related) if you were woman?
We do, but if we have sex with you without some kind of reason to work off of, then when people label us as a slut, we can't argue. But if you give us a good reason, we can at least TRY to feel better about ourselves.
Lol...are you a tin foil hat wearer? Or maybe a religious tard? If so, that would explain your reply. Coz this is a known science, studied and researched. Unlike your jesus there is proof and evidence of it littered throughout the past million years.
whatever you want
Its hard to get rid of your sub conscious faggot.
But women want sex as much but for different reasons you cunt. A woman wants to feel wanted, and that's more than a physical want fucking scum. They want everything about them go be wanted, from their body, to their soul, u fuck. A carnal desire is hot but what is even hotter is if you add in a desire to be with 'them' faggot.
Guys generally want sex for physical release, as that's how we are supposed to function, dumb shit. Women also get the release but sex is more emotional, u fucking cunt.
So if you have critical thought like the faggot you are. You would realize that you wouldn't guarantee this if a woman fucked every faggot. Add in the fact women need to be more careful to not get raped, and voila women want sex just as much but are more reserved about. Douchebag
You piece of shit faggot. Fucking idiot
Treat women more than sex objects and then you will have more sex. Your just a fucking dumb shit that cant let go of your sub conscious.
Have a good day... Faggot
>actually thinks this is a "fact" and not just an opinion with marginal evidence at best
>being of adult age on an adult website in the current year
Choose only one of them, friendo
The slut double-standard is true because in part of what I wrote here: >>684135458
Childbearing is time consuming, WAS more fatal than it is now (but we are still basically the same cavemen that we were when this was true), and resource draining. If a woman shows poor judgement in choosing a partner she is labeled a slut for good reason because in the end a man cannot trust that the child she is bearing is his.
This is evident in the fact that almost a fifth of children born today are not their fathers biological children.
Then why are all of these white girls fucking niggers?Have you ever seen a truly attractive nigger?Even the movie stars still have the classic ape profile.Yet, white girls are on every dating site looking for a BBC.There are literally millions of BWCs. So why do they fuck niggers?Even married ones want a nigger.
And add that girls can get pregnant. You can't. That's an extra risk they have.
Also maybe it's difficult because you're an idiot, not trustworthy or just plain unattractive. No need for subconscious stupid shit or redpill theories.
how about you get rid of your hardwired preference for girls with an hourglass body shape
you could have plenty of sex if you just convinced yourself that landwhales are desireable, Mr. Genius
Why the fuck do you need to tell people, why do people have to know. I have casual sex with a number of girls, they know I don't tell people their names which is probably why they go with it. But why do girls love sitting around talking about private shit?
Guys talk too dude. I've kept my mouth shut mostly about who I've slept with, but people always find out regardless. Good for you for being one of the few that doesnt talk about it. Hell, I've even had a guy take a picture of me blowing him before and I've seen it on here. So.
lol I'd be willing to bet it's 80% dudes who like to see huge cocks in porn. I watched a youtube thing recently that was talking about how way more men than women are into big dicks in porn, straight guys too
Yea guys do talk, especially when they're fags who are just bragging about it cause it's probably a big thing for them. I talk about sex with my close friends too, but I never use names.
People love big dicks... that's not necessarily women searching either.
People love BBC, they love Cuck shit, they love tiny Asian girls choking down like a 1/4 of a giant dick, they love seeing white bitches get stretched out, Latinas doing sloppy top, etc etc...
It's probably mostly dudes searching for that. Probably mostly straight white guys. It's not that they're gay, but seeing a girl being overtaken is their thing.
Read what I replied to faggot. Is everything you post anger from past experiences?I just squashed this idiot's post. You may be that idiot b/c my post went right over your head....minion.
Friends are the men women feel contribute to their lives, but they have no romantic or sexual interest in. Women have a great knack for holding onto men who make their lives better; maybe those men help them at work, or give them rides in their cars, or buy them food or gifts, or give them good conversation. It's rare for women to intentionally lead these men on; oftentimes, men in the “friends” category are thinking that if they are nice enough to women, they'll get a relationship or physical intimacy eventually. But the women these men are spending time with usually are really, honestly viewing them as “just friends” and are oblivious to any ulterior motives of the men they slot into the “friends” category.
Lovers are the men women feel sexual and romantic attraction to, but see no long-term potential with, whether that's because they live too far apart (if one of them is on holiday when they meet, for instance), because the man in question is attached (he has a girlfriend or wife), or because he has some other strike against him (he's unemployed, not intelligent or educated enough, etc.). Because they see no long term potential in him, but feel attraction for him, women give themselves permission to engage in quick sex, seeing no need to prolong gratification since there's no reason to try and rope him into a relationship.
Providers are the men women feel attraction to, and see long-term potential with, as well. Even if a woman finds a man incredibly sexually attractive, she'll often control herself and put the brakes on if she also thinks he's a strong candidate for becoming a future boyfriend or husband. Most women know, whether through instinct or experience, that men value women more highly whom it takes them a greater amount of time and effort to become intimate with – so they make these men wait, in the hopes of achieving some level of commitment and increasing their desirability to these men as relationship material.
you beta fucks i fucked 81.125% of 5-10/10 girls on first dates or so...
bear in mind i had fucked ~16so far. just step up your game.
100% of girls get down on your dick in first 3 dates. You just need to know what to do and what to say. And dont be fat manlet :D
Because American society is fucking sexually repressed by vestiges of religious control and has warped our society to the point at which women are shamed for casual sex even though there is literally no logical reason to do so.
well sheeeeit then :D
you gotta compensate your shitty looks, lack of muscles and height with money, more charisma and better dancing skills. I am bad dancer (not really into clubs) and poorfag X_X
Its really not that hard, just try not to be a boring and/or nervous fuck. The only chick I didn't fuck on the first date was literally begging for the d after the second date, mostly because I showed genuine interest and composed myself as calm and confident
Op here, I just don't understand why do girls give such hard time, went out in my life maybe 50 times to a bar/party... Try to approach girls and all of them seem so unresponsive or just give such bitchy attitude on the surface, I inderstand if I was ugly or a Manlet but I'm not, I'm 7/10 that wants a slightly above average girl and every single one of them is a complete bitch....... Why are they like that? Is it all in my head
kek all this faggots this retarded smile will get you laid
i'm a actually a tall skeletal but i suppose it's just as bad given i ain't got any muscles, money, charisma nor dancing skills and i generally don't show much interest towards anything kek
is there any hope left for me
Hence it's stupid to be friends with a woman. A woman is no good friend. They can't talk about anything interasting, don't watch sports, like idiotic movies like romantic comedies etc.
If any woman ever wants to "friend zone" me, I stop seing her. It's that simple. I'm not doing favours for them either. Rather hang out with bros in bar, posting shit on 4chan, or play videogames with nerd buddies.
The only reason to hang with women on daily basis is to get laid or into relationship. If she dosen't want to, stop seing her.
If all guys could learn this simple rule, then women would learn a bit aswell. And they would most likely desire sex more.
>Explain this, if girls want sex as much as guys then why is it such a difficult process?
Since when is it difficult?
Dudes judge sex partners by appearance WAY more than chicks do so if you can pull all the best tail at the gay bar there are few chicks who would not leave a snail trail up a pail of your old levis just to lick the cock smell out of them.
Sure the prostitution mechanic/BS is out of the way with same sex but it also is with most women these days.
So I think you would also strike out with attractive dudes at the Manhole.
If you are saying you could lower your standards if you were gay.. you can if you are straight. You can bang 5-10 chicks a day off craigslist of you do not care about age/looks/weight.
Nah fuck that shit here is a pic of my dick tho
Nah it's not, give me 20-40 mins of solid and I will get a number and I will fuck the dude in the 2-3 upcoming days...... But forget all that, that's not the point the point is how "hard to get" girls always come off, talking with them they just never almost contribute to a conversation...., that's my point
Here is how it works OP...
Women want sex just as much if not more than men. They just have MUCH higher, usually impossibly unrealistic standards. This is why handsome, rich men with epic beards sleep with different women every night while most men wank into a sock.
You just have to do something. Something you can be confident at. I didn't start playing guitar to get laid, I started cause I wanted to be good at it. Girls take notice because I put so much time into being a performer/entertainer. Thats all you are doing with them, entertaining their brief interest with you.
You're implying that gay dudes are attracted to literally any other gay dude. Do you actually know one? He might enlighten you on that attitude.
Either that, or you're a 10/10. which should have an effect on girls aswell.
They don't. They enjoy sex, sure, but as a whole males are far more promiscuous and aggressive in seeking sex. As you stated it's rather apparent in same sex individuals. Homosexual males frequent gloryholes, truckstops. They have an app dedicated to hooking up and it had a higher hookup success rate than tinder. People just want to believe we are equal in all things, but that just isn't the case. The data doesn't like. Check out the archives of sexual behaviors. It's a localized journal were research publish their papers on sexual behavior observed around the world. Even in culture where females aren't taught to fear casual hookup or be labeled a slut, thry still don't seem to be as promiscuous and indiscriminate in the sexual practice, at least not to the levels males display.
Granted this is a whole. From an individual standpoint of course their are outliers for both genders. Female nymphomaniac and prudish males.
While that may be the fashion trend with hipsters facial hair covers up a lot of the face and thus makes faces less readable.
This is why no one and especially women trusts people with facial hair. This is also why will will never have another president with facial hair.
If you care concealing a weak chin or a birthmark or a 2nd face from a conjoined twin or something a beard may pay off but for everyone else a clean face is a more attractive face.
then why do girls say men are slut shaming if guys call people sluts way less then girls do .why do girls start trying to call men fuck boys,ive been called it once and didn't give a shit thought i was a compliment until i found out it was an insult
one way people like to convince men into dating traps is by saying they want sex more than actual women not trying to say trannies and gays are the same but :/ meh their awfully close imo
Because of the patriarchy you virgins so eagerly defend.
Never said girls did it more often. If you include talking behind people's backs it's roughly the same.
Normally, it's guys who say it directly to me when girls whisper it among friends.
kek fuckboys is my favorite insult along with beta
>whenever someone says that, it means nothing
That's the meta-joke I was going for.
The meme is...
>put some condescending statement that is against the poster
>2016 (or whatever the current year is)
I was both trying to be funny by poking fun at this meme and also trying to make fun of the guy I was replying to
It's also apparent in the biology of the two sex. What is sex for? To reproduce. Frame your perspective with that in mind. Females have a finite amount of eggs on top of a window were they can still be considered fertile. Whereas males have nigh infinite reproductive advantage. Bar medical issues, a guy can still sire children in his 90s.
God damn this bullshit pseudoscience meme needs to fucking die already, it's not how evolution works
>if girls want sex as much as guys then why is it such a difficult process?
See slut-shaming threads on this and various other message boards ... and before these existed, via word-of-mouth.
it's not true that girls want sex as much as guys.
100% this. If you're into a woman, and she wants to be friends, never be her friend. It's not what you want, so why waste your time and efforts? It will save you both a ton of frustration. Once you're in the friend zone, you are pretty much guaranteed to be there forever.
Does that work out for you? I've wanted to do that, but being in a small city girls like to talk. I'd be labelled the guy who won't even talk to you unless you're willing to fuck.
That was a good read, thank you anon.
I have a female friend who consistently tells me how great I look when she sees a picture of me. We don't meet up often, just occasionally chat here and there on Facebook. Why would she want to keep me as a friend if I am providing neither material gifts, food, transport, help, or good conversation?
You don't have to be a prick to them. Just don't bend over backwards and act like you're buddies. If they have a problem with you being unwilling to take their consolation prize, then fuck em. Metaphorically speaking.
We're friends from university, I met her through my girlfriend at the time, but she lives in Chichester. I met up with her last year in London, had quite a nice day, I couldn't get a read on her though.
Took me about a year or two of being the most stereotypical friendzoned beta you can imagine to learn it. God, I was embarassing. They were hard earned lessons, to be sure, but well worth it.
I saw a blog yesterday about wages and tips and I may have had an epiphany. This may be stupid but just hear me out. People complain about how guy shouldn't expect sex or a relationship in exchange for you being kind or spending money on them. They even have the phrase girls are machines you put kindness coins into until sex falls out.
So by that logic couldn't we say "customers aren't machines you put kindness and great service coins into until tips falls out"?
A few examples of things a girl might do that should serve as a strong signal to you she’s interested:
She says you’d make a great couple, you look good together, anything like that
She says you’re handsome or sexy
She asks you where you live, especially if it comes at an unusual time in the conversation or out of the middle of nowhere
She asks if you live alone or with friends or roommates, and especially if she asks if they are home right now
She focuses more of her attention on you, especially if you’ve been quiet or other people are competing for her attention, but she’s still devoting a lot of attention to you
She does something physically suggestive, like taking your arm and putting it around her or taking your hand and putting it on her, or putting her hand or legs on you
She buys you food or buys you a drink
Crack open an anthropology book and look under "culture" section you will begin to understand human behavior is influence heavily by it... I.e. Girls being afraid of called sluts when they are to EZ and guys having no balls because our culture makes it seem like approaching girls is creepy
My guess is you're on a back burner in case she runs out of decent local options. It's going to be hard for her to determine whether or not you'll be a decent lover/provider, or if you're just friendship material, except from what she can glean about your life online.
Everytime I read a Darwinistic answer to these kind of questions I feel the need to kill myself. I'm 100% sure that the people who write up this shit are virgins or retarded.
1) Not all people are risk takers
2) Not all people are naive enough to trust a stranger
3) If you don't know how to present yourself in a way that would make them feel they know you, though shit.
4) Alcohol = wet pussy
That said OP, what you're looking for is a naive drunk 20y old who thinks she got the world figured out. Go to a college town and don't be an ugly fuck.
Except we see this in cultures that don't have the same prudish tendencies as ours. You should take at look at some the research papers published in the archive of sexual behavior. It's pretty interesting.
That's retarded and here's why...
A customer walks into a restuarant in the United States and KNOWS that the waiter doesn't make minimum wage and that the custom is to tip to fill in this gap. It's an obligation to tip at least a little in the US culture if the waiter gave you at least a semblance of decent service.
A waiter does their work and tries to do it well because good service should be rewarded with a little extra money given. It's an incentive.
Both people, the customer and the waiter, know the game being played and they've agreed to take part in it.
Now here's where you're being retarded, my 15 -<18 year old underage faggot.
Just because you've showered a girl in compliments doesn't mean that she has agreed to play the game. She isn't obligated to suck your dick or go on a date with you because you are being oh so extra nice. Being kind and charming is the best way to find a girl, but the girl is not obligated to give you anything even for the nicest of gestures...except maybe a "thank you".
You and too many me-.. little kissless /b/tards forget the primal role of pair bonding. My last relationship had me having sex amost every day, sometimes twice a day.
With the relationship situation stable, if you have a compatible scent you will find her lusting fairly often or more as her period draws near. She menstruates and lust goes down a bit and then it starts all over again. If she doesn't sense a match in you, she'll only be up for sex basically when she's bored or drunk enough.
Search about women detecting genetic compatibility in sweat if you think I'm lying.
Wouldn't the girl, any girl, be aware of a guys intention? Would they know full well that this Random guy isn't talking to her for the riveting conversation? It's all a social contracts. Everyone has their obligation I thought? People who cheat the system are usually frowned upon; except when it comes to intimacy. We tend to throw reciprocity out the window when things get intimate.
You honestly believe that someone has the obligation to have sex with someone just because the other person gave them a compliment?
How autistic are you?
The obligation on receiving a compliment is to say "thank you" in a way to keep the conversation going, say "thank you" as in "ok please leave me alone" or to respond in a way to keep the conversation going.
After the guy is just showering her in compliments, the girl should then say "not interested" or the guy should have enough sense to leave her alone.
>We tend to throw reciprocity out the window when things get intimate.
What are you talking about?
If someone just walks up to you on the street and gives you a few compliments, what have you obligated yourself to? Nothing.
But if you have agreed to date this person or whatever THEN you've agreed to a few rules to dating and intimacy.
I can understand that if a guy was talking to a girl in his class or something and complimented her a lot over the course of a couple months and hung out with her a lot, she should've known that maybe this guy was romantically interested in her and someone (either the guy or girl) should've initiated a direct conversation about the intentions of either one of them.
Holy shit....Fucking autismos
You are stuck on compliments. I'm talking far more than that. You know the guys that bend over backwards. Constantly giving rides, paying for shits. Helping out etc. I'm talking about the guy who is friendzoned, but anytime something goes wrong she calls your firstml.
It is interesting. It's also the fundamental rules of engagement.
The last girl I was with, when we first met I had no idea she was interested in me. She was cute but whatever.
Eventually I ask her about it and she says "no", she's not interested. Okay. Too bad.
After that I was admittedly a bit cold to her, still being friendly but keeping in mind that nothing would ever happened.
Which frustrated her to no end but I'm an oblivious male, I couldnt' tell because I had ruled out "attraction" when I point-blank asked her.
Well eventually she shoved me against my car and locked lips with me and from there we went on for about five years.
You guys need to realized that as long as your shit is reasonably together, a woman's attraction isn't going to be shut down from by "not holding her hand right" or some shit. I'm a male too, and I can't help but examine shit down to the atoms so I get it. But believe me when I tell you that you guys are microanalyzing the *wrong* damned variables.
Sex is the *easy* part.
A good friend does all those things.
Being a shoulder to cry on or whatever.
The guy should, in that situation, expressly say his intentions because their is obviously confusion if she doesn't already recognize his intentions.
On the other hand, the guy is putting her in an awkward situation. She can't just bring up " do you want to have a relationship with me?" because what if he did just want to be her friend? Then she would make it awkward and he would start thinking that now SHE wanted a relationship. But if she doesn't bring it up, then the guy gets all frustrated and butthurt because he thinks all the nice things he was doing implied he wanted a relationship.
Now if she isn't being friendly back to the guy, and it's apparent that she is just using him for rides or money or whatever, then she is a manipulative bitch and the guy should not see her anymore.
I'm not against nice guys
In fact, I love this video
All baseless and wrong. Give rides, are you kidding with that? What does that actually have to do with sex or primal attraction?
You said it, those are all friendship tasks and have nothing to do with sexual attraction. If you offer and she accepts, how the hell does that make her manipulative? She didn't demand that you do a damned thing. You guys set *yourselves* up for failure.
Thanks for sharing I saved the link. I'll check it out on my break. It just sometimes I wished being a friend included helping a virgin out. I'm in a similar situation. Friends with a female, she knows I like her and that I'd do just about anything for her. She also knows I'm a virgin, we joke about it all the time. Some days I'm cool with the friendship and some days I feel cheated. Even if you know people don't owe you anything, you'll tend to feel cheated if you're the only one giving and the other person only takes. It's probably part of human nature like a reciprocity switch gets flipped when you feel someone is getting over on you.
This /b/rod I couldn't have said it better. Women are more sexually selective than men because they are the ones who are most invested in having the child (have to carry, have to deliver, etc). Men can just cum and run. It's natural selection.
It more of a social transaction in the form of bartering. You have something I want and I have something you want/need. I don't want to give it away for free and neither you.
Ass,grass, or cash I believe are the rules of the road.
You don't have good reading comprehension.
Some other anon (>>684150201) was saying that doing all those things meant that the girl was obligated into a relationship or sex or something.
As far as the being a manipulator...
She can play with someone's emotions to make them think that she likes a guy romantically and just receive gifts or whatever from the guy.
Guys and girls both can possibly manipulate in such a way.
>You guys set *yourselves* up for failure.
I think that's true for guys a lot, but if you honestly can't imagine a girl EVER manipulating a guy for money or favors, you're diluted.
>It just sometimes I wished being a friend included helping a virgin out.
Are you literally 14?
Noone gives a fuck if you are a virgin or not and noone cares about sex except for virgins.
How do you feel cheated?
What do you give that she doesn't?
I don't know the extent of the things you do for her but Imagine you doing all that stuff just with a guy friend of yours. Would you feel cheated then?
If you want a relationship with her, you need to express your feelings towards her.
It's a difficult process because women are taught from a young age that their bodies are an in-demand commodity and their most important feature. They eventually realize they can exploit this, because they can control the release of this commodity.
Think of it like this:
>you're born with the ability to shit pills that are able to grant other people wishes, but not your own
>people find out about your pills and ask you if they can have one
>at first, you give one to everybody who asks for one, to be nice
>everybody gets used to having their wishes granted all the time and starts expecting them from you for nothing in return
>you realize that you aren't treated well when you give your wish-pills charitably to everybody whenever they want them
>you stop giving everybody wish-pills, and instead only give them to people who are nice to you, in very limited quantities
>everybody still wants their wishes granted, and they realize they're going to have to be nice to you to get them
>before you know it, a massive contest among all the people around you who want wishes granted begins
>people try really really hard to impress you and treat you like you're more important than you are, and do favors for you and give you free things to try to win you over
>eventually, you get used to this treatment and then later start to expect it (sound familiar?)
>your expectations grow higher and higher, you start believing you're as great as people are acting like you are, you become increasingly more selective to who you give wishes to
>people start doing favors for you and being nice to you even if they know deep down they aren't going to get wish pills for it because they aren't good enough
>this becomes normal societal behavior
>you start only giving pills to the one person who gave you the most for the longest time because now everybody does everything for you and is nice based on the idea of even being NEAR or ASSOCIATED with the wish pills
This is what it's like to be a female.
How is she supposed to guess that the guy is wanting ass in return?
Certainly true that the exchange should be roughly even, and if someone is giving too much/little, it's time to talk about it. But how many guys specifically *do not* talk about it to avoid "awkwardness" or termination? Guys who don't speak up need to shoulder the larger part of the blame.
The comment I was replying to didn't specify that the girl was being deliberately emotionally manipulative. In that case, yes, it's time to say something. But in too many cases I've seen and read here, the guy tells the girl "oh I just like helping out" or worse, leave everything *unsaid*.
Girls are immature about this, you can't leave it up to them to break off the friend relationship because they suspect that you're only being nice to them for sex.
As I said she already knows I like her. And no I wouldn't do have the shit I do for her with my guy friends. I'm 19, I've helped her pay car notes. I've help her take care of her mother's medical bills. I've travelled to God knows where to bail ass out of iffy situations. That's just to name a few.
Folks saying girls don't want it as often as guys are absolutely, statistically, correct.
Folks saying girls want it as MUCH as guys, are also correct.
Distinction is: a girl who is not in a relationship probably wants to be in one, and will have every bit as much urgency in getting down and dirty - that first few times. Then they settle into the relationship and get comfortable, and the pussy tap slows way down.
It's not calculated, it's not evil, it's just different wiring. In a long term relationship a guy is almost always gonna want sex about 2-3 times more frequently than the girl does. How you deal and compromise with that is just one of the many fine parts of having a grown up relationship.
I agree guys should speak up. But a chick should know a guy has ulterior motives. I remember a few years back some chick came up to me and asked if she could have some of my Adderall. Before I got a word out she started asking how much I wanted for them. She stated she couldn't do anything sexual because she had a boyfriend. If this random chick knew what was on the table, shouldn't others?
they definitely need a good 'priming' to get into sex
but they can want it and enjoy it just as much
but natural testosterone in females is important
(they dont need as much as a normal male)
i heard a story from a girl that needed a testosterone shot for a month, in order for recovery from an accident
tl:dr she finally understood, how and why dudes want and need sex so much
the T is the key :3
I was in a five-year relationship with a woman who wanted it consistently more than me.
>Consider yourself lucky
You're only leaving it to luck if you ignore the simple rules of attraction and shoot for whatever girl who is convenient, or you are already friends with, or you find pretty, or settles for dating you. If you are in a ltr with little to no sex, it's because the primal attraction isn't there.
>We don't have instincts
>When possible we become obese and destroy our environment by hoarding everything we can extract because this behavior is adaptive in the setting we evolved in for millions of years (humans have existed for longer than 2,000 years btw)
Also what everyone else says about women being choosy is true, just like the reason /pol/ believes niggers are inferior and whatever, it's adaptive to hate your out group so killing them over resources doesn't fuck you up
>As I said she already knows I like her.
That's not good enough man.
Do you want a relationship or not?
She just thinks you are a really good friend and maybe her intent isn't to manipulate you, she is marginally using you because you allow her to.
As some anon already said, she is immature about these things too.
She should realize that you'd do more for her than a normal friend (and she probably does) because you like her and she should've not used you for anything like that, but she's immature and learning too.
You both sound retarded. You more so.
Figure the fuck out what you want, you whiny faggot.
I honestly don't even know what you are arguing at this point.
You want to be close to her because you like her even if you put more into the friendship.
And she keeps you around because she knows this (she also probably sees you as a friend too)
But that's just it! She sees you AS A FRIEND not a potential lover. You are only doing more than a normal friendship because you don't see her as a friend. You see her as a potential lover.
Women are incredibly shallow and pick men almost 100 percent based on looks and hope to get lucky and he may turn out to be a decent person, but they are not so lucky most of the time.
>hurr durr 1 chick who wanted adderall knew guys wanted sex
>they should all know ANYTHING a guy does for them is about sex!1!!1!1
A quick interaction drug deal is more black and white and obvious than a long drawn out relationship with a friend for months and sometimes years.
This girl is mature and has that virtue of character. Yes we'd like for all people, girls, guys, cats and dogs to have that. But this thread is about girls wanting/not wanting sex.
In the end, it takes the consent of *both* parties for manipulative relationship to continue once recognized.
In short - the reason womens' sex drive is the same but its harder for a man to get sex than for a woman to get sex is because of the way society works. Women are able to be more selective because society has created an overinflated demand for them and they capitalize on this to get things beyond their means.
That's why you see most average men in relationships have objectively uglier, less "qualified" significant others, but they're happy as fuck to have something rather than nothung. Oftentimes men have to be in the top 1-5% of humanity (education, money, good looking, has nice things, good personality, popularity, etc) to score with a woman higher than a 7/10, or just be really fucking lucky to find a 7+/10 who doesn't like to play the game of society.
I believe we arguing about reciprocity and obligation. And you're right, but at this point and time I have no idea how to correct this "friendship". If I cut my losses and bail then I really wasted my time and money. Even if a real relationship is off the table, I'd be content with a "friends with benefit" type of situation. I just want some type of return in this investment. She doesn't have the funds I do. So, she isn't able to return the favor in that manner. It's all becoming one sided. This has been going on since highschool.
>they definitely need good priming to get into sex.
Engaging in sex comes *after* the required initial attraction. You're looking too far down the timeline. Girls have touched themselves enough to know how they work already. A girl who is attracted won't be stopped by that very often. The pair-bond is the objective, not the specific sensations. If you stray off the mark they will guide you back on track.
This is totally accurate...
Except for women on birth control or other forms of contraception. There have been scientific articles published about this phenomenon, and it's the reason that we see so many women these days go for guys who don't have the typical masculine qualities. It's a hormonal effect that is arguably becoming genetic.
It wasn't a debate of semantics, the point was that attraction comes *first*, then "foreplay/priming" comes after that. And only after that. And then, *if* the attraction is there, priming, foreplay, proper form, whatever isn't largely relevant to her wanting sex.
This article pretty much confirmed what everyone in this thread already knew.
Women don't see it as much and Men fall for the girl more often.
Not every interaction between a girl and guy is about sex, and that's where it gets tricky.
How is the girl supposed to know for sure if the guy doesn't expressly say it?
Even though this article says that it's more likely, it doesn't happen every time.
So either way the girl is still in the same situation (except higher odds that the guy is into her than not).
who told you girls want sex as much as guys. thats a damn lie women tell to appeal to men. in reality they don't want sex due to their libido being much smaller. dont be fooled. take for example female lesbian couples. when interviewed they said they on average "have sex" once a month or so... at young age.. later they stop being sexualy active...
If you were to play the odds, would you ever put your money on the odds that the guy isn't into the girls. With a likelihood like that, you'd be better off assuming they all do. You're bound to end up correct in your assumption than wrong, right?
Though I do agree with you. Both parties should be upfront. Everything would be better that way. But how would that interaction go? "Hi, I'm Bob, and I find you aesthetically pleasing. I'd like to get to know you a little better, but only if their's a chance we could end up fucking in the near future. I wouldn't want to waste your time or mine".
Basically you were fucked from the start and need to cut it out and man up. Better yourself.
WE ALL NEED TO BETTER OURSELVES.
She knew she'd never sleep with you the second she met you.
Get buff. Do more than just working out... Play frequent sports or MMA like Jiu Jitsu or Muay Thai.
You will get buff so fast by tearing people out of arm bars. And these sports will distract you from women and make you more popular.
I go to Jiu almost every day now. The trick to women is realizing they are just men with vaginas, but under gender/social expected stress.
If you all let girls hit on you, then hit back and look cuter/ act more modest/ be more interesting /know more about all the shit they are into, then you will be fine.
But we're just talking about 1 girl and 1 guy
Sure she has better odds that way but she doesn't know if the guy she is talking to is one of those
Read this post retard fuck
Not at the initial contact but somewhere down the line if you start out friends.
How retarded can you be?
And some relationships do start out with an obvious intention of attraction and dating.
For autismos like you, this is called flirting.
literally every single person is a two-faced lying faggot with their own motives
I'm seeing a lot of post related to relationships. Isn't the OP talking about promiscuously indiscriminate sex? The hey I'm tom/Kim and I'm drunk let's fuck. When it comes to sex within a relationship sure men and women are probably equal. When it comes to one night stands I'm sure there are more guys seeking it than girls. Blame it on nature or nature. Hell say it's mixture of the two. Bottom line is that there is a discrepancy between the two sexes.
Wrong. A ripped body and/or a Mercedes Benz only gets their attention, not their sexual attraction. Many morally defunct women will "put out" for this sort of guy, but that doesn't apply to non-ripped, non-wealthy guys. More importantly, it doesn't explain why women I have been with weren't tempted to court guys more ripped and wealthier than me.
Sexual attraction is genetic and primal.
Being upfront isn't a good idea if you're courting *girls*, not older women. Girls don't know much about their own attraction, so they are flying blind and leaving everything to chance. You'll most likely get an "I don't know" and just put them off.
That's too haphazard, obviously. If simple "going and doing" worked often enough, it would have worked already and the thread would have never been created. Read between the lines a little.