>>680451917 Except there will never not be guns And there never will not be violent people with guns, knives, tools, anything that can cause harm and no one should lose their capability to defend themselves from violent people
>>680450579 Wait a minute what are you doing you're killing me but that new Sharps 25-45 I just spent $2,000 on could kill somebody and it's just sitting there in my gun safe I have kids in my house holy shit I got to go home right now and make sure that evil Black Rifle isn't stalking my family thanks for the warning my foreign friend
>>680452110 Yeah maybe there will never not be guns in america since u seem to give them away to that violent people u talk... Its a fucking fish bitting its tail and the more time u selling guns the more guns ther will be in the streets
>>680451917 Two groups will always have guns: criminals, and the state. Now you have to ask yourself two questions: 1. Do you feel that it is an acceptable risk to be unarmed when criminals will always have access to firearms? 2. Given the history of western governments, do you trust your government enough to allow them exclusive control of firearms? My answer to both is no, if your answers vary then great, don't own a gun. But it's kind of like the saying for gay marriage and abortion goes, "if you like guns, don't but one," but fuck off trying to stop me from owning them.
>>680450579 You know Assult weapon was a term used by gun control activists back in the day to scare people into banning them? In the military they are just refered to as "Personal Weapons" or Standard issue rifle.
By the way, all guns kill people and i know this is bait, just wanted to toss out a a bit of knowledge for some of you.
>>680452781 I dont give a dammed fuck if u wanna buy some guns since i live two blocks away from u. Every time theres a shooting in some school/church/anywhere in the states i find it normal and dont give a fuck just a consecuence from yoy argument. Maybe where u live is easy for a criminal to own a gun, not so easy in here. And even if they own one in here, trust me they'll think twice before using it because its NO FUCKING NORMAL no own guns
>>680453174 Nice spelling mate. By the way, the problem is the fact that these people who have mental problems and/or social problems think that this is the only way that they are heard or will ever get help. Some people should not have access to guns this is true, but when ever there is a school shooting no one addresses why it happened, they just use it to push their own agenda.
What about cars? Cars kill three times as many people each year than guns do, despite the fact that there are over twice as many guns than vehicles in this country. If guns are designed to kill, but cars, which are designed to travel, kill more people each year, shouldn't we be focusing on banning cars instead? Or do you think "cars don't kill people, irresponsible people who choose to break traffic laws do"?
>>680450579 Macaptataptap to be the first to know that I have been busy today fixing the kids have already been paid by 14. Why? Because fucko the most important part of the project is to have the ability to make sure you get a slot. That is motherfucking all dick.
>>680453390 GetGet the fuck out of the loop and not in a heartbeat baby. I'm sorry if I made a mistake in my mind, but you are a nigger cunt bitch fuck. Shit the most often used phrase you batches have is naglet dangles.
I don't need a gun to protect myself from other people with guns, I need a gun to protect muself from other people, regardless of whether or not they have a gun. God created all men, but Samuel Colt made them equal. And the Second Amendment isn;t about protecting urself from other people, it's about the people being able to protect themselves from the government.
Guns can offer protection. But i wager 90% of the time the gun is locked in one safe.. the ammo in a secondary location.. best thing would be to have more people open carry. Thats the only way you have a chance to stop a school shooter/nigger. Banning weapons seems pointless since crimniggers dont follow the law to begin with. So either open carry. Or dont own a gun.. (leaving it at home will only result in some kid blowing their head off.).
>>680453838 I'm trying to hurry up and down you with English and word problem with that said, so cuck. You fuck like a woman's prudent batch. Like I fuck carecare, cuck. Nigger is a fag OP and OP is like and to the vooty wholes.
I wonder how many 90 year old elderly people could learn kerote vs. learning how to safely use a firearm for their defense.... hmmm... which suits their needs better. You defend yourself the way you want, I'll do it my way. How about that.
>>680454068 Mimi nina kujaribu haraka juu na chini kwa Kiingereza na tatizo neno kwa kuwa alisema, hivyo cuck .kutomba kama mwanamke mwenye busara kundi. Kama mimi kutomba , cuck . Nigger ni fag OP na OP ni kama na kwa .
>>680450579 >is on 4chan >4chan is an American website >internet was invented by USA >computers were invented by USA >speaks English, and not with a British accent >then, complains how Americans are stupid I'm an American and I'm too stupid to understand why you don't make your own fucking website where you can complain in your own bullshit language, while having a full 12 visitors per month.
I always hear people try to compare guns to something else that kills lots of people, but guns are designed to do a lot of damage to something, from a distance, relatively easily. The sole purpose of a gun is to cause damage, enough to kill someone (even if killing people isn't the main reason the gun was made). Everything else that kills a lot of people has another, more important purpose: cars are needed for transport, cholesterol is important in food, the sun is vital for life on earth, etc.
Why do you even need guns to defend yourself anyway? Unless someone wants to kill you specifically, who the fuck would actually shoot you when they're trying to mug you, or rob break into your house, or whatever?
>>680451812 >28 years old >never owned a gun > been over 30 fist fights >homes been broken into twice >expelled intruder without gun both times >grew up in shit neighborhood >still here Most of civis I see with gun don't need em, most of time I've seen someone get shot they wouldn't have had time to draw their weapon to begin with. It's pretty much like carrying a knife, it's only useful when you know what's happening with ample time to respond. Life's not a movie where a perfect scene is set for you act a hero. The last time I was attacked I was smashed un the back of the head with a pipe without any warning. Knocked out before I hit the ground. A gun wouldn't have saved me.
>>680454467 >Gun crime was has been decreasing since the 60's(just like the US) whilst ownership rates have been increasing, more guns registered now than ever before It's ok though, 96 law changes prevent us from owning guns and stopped gun crime.
Well, kid. In 2007, three gang bangers home invaded me. I was on my computer, at almost 3am, when I hear a loud bang that literally shook my house. I immediately grabbed my AR which was next to me and proceeded down the hallway. There stood three thugs, one had a gun in his hand.
As I was about to open fire on them, they saw hat I had the jump on them, and they fled out the front door. One of the thugs was the boyfriend of my neighbor, so there is no question that they would have killed me because I could identify him. I called the police, they said that they were already looking for him for other robberies and that I should have shot those three thugs.
A month later, the thug that I recognized as my neighbor's boyfriend and one other guy were on the news....they had robbed and killed a guy who was leaving a grocery store. So, if you think that a gun can't save your life, you are seriously misguided.
>>680454250 I think lots of people ridicule the USA because, despite the huge relative wealth of the average American, despite the incredible technological advances of Americans, and despite the fantastic ideas upon which the country is based, the US fucks up so many things that it really shouldn't.
I reckon that the US has done really well for itself, but because of it great power, there comes great responsibility: in many things, Americans drop the ball
Kinda linked to the presidential election: I've seen some Americans talking down on people from other countries who criticise US politics, pointing out that the people from other countries are watching anyway. People watch because the US is the most powerful country in the world, and it's in everyone else's interests that the US president is not fucking insane
>>680455070 >Why do you even need guns to defend yourself anyway? Unless someone wants to kill you specifically, who the fuck would actually shoot you when they're trying to mug you, or rob break into your house, or whatever?
That's the question the guy asked me....and I answered. Are you autistic, or do you have down syndrome or something?
The analogy between guns are cars that people are making is false. In actual fact, cars are way more dangerous than guns. Any retard can drive a car and can use it to run over a few civilians without getting hurt at all. Guns require some dexterity.
The only "advantage" that guns have is the fact that since they are perfected to kill, the killing occurs sooner. You can kill 20 people in a few minutes and you can start running after the police arrives.
On the contrast, if you want to kill 20 people with your car, you have to spend half an hour hunting victims and in the meantime, the police will arrive and catch you.
The real issue is not safety, the real issue is the government wants people punished for their crimes. They don't want you to actually get away with it.
If this were about safety, cars that drive faster than 10mph would be banned, you'd have to wear safety gear every time you rode your tricycle, and trains and planes would be banned too. The knifes would be made of wood, and sharp rocks would be considered hazardous pollution. Syringe needles would be more monitored than bullets.
But this actually about the fact that the government feels butt hurt whenever they can't catch a criminal. So, yeah, this is why they want to ban guns. With a gun, you can actually get away with it.
>>680454936 I'm glad that your gun saved your life, but how did the guy get his? Easy access to guns literally caused the entire problem: would he have been such a threat if he had no gun? Would criminals be so willing to break into someone's house if they had no gun?
I'd argue that having more guns in a community might even increase the chance that people will be murdered during home invasions or assaults. If the criminal knows that the other person might have a gun, they are forced to make a decision between shooting first or risking getting shot themselves.
You might argue that criminals can get guns on the black market, which is true. However, guns would become a lot more expensive on the black market if regulations on guns were tightened.
>>680450579 All weapons kill, you fucking idiot. That's what they're for. Americans simply want to be responsible for their own saftey and personal defense. The criminals all have assault weapons, most of them stolen or illegally imported or converted. Someone breaks in with a gun, what would you rather do? Shoot back? Or hide in a fucking closet and wait for the police to show up and kill you and your dog?
>>680454574 Rape? Pedophiles? Dude i think you are wrongly informed about what happened there.. Please tell me you are not from Germany, because i cant stand to see an other Neo-Nazi-Motherfucker bitching around against the refugees.. Worst thing that happened in my town was that a house burnt down and no one got harmed by it...
>>680455442 >I'm glad that your gun saved your life, but how did the guy get his?
If you want an eyeopening experience, watch Underworld Inc - Ghost Guns on NatGeo. Also, many illegal operations have been busted recently, particularly in California, in which illegal aliens who are working for cartels have set up CNC machines and are making full-auto weapons and distributing them on the streets.
As a matter of fact, check out a guy named Leland Yee. He is the California Democrat Senator who wrote most of that state's tough gun laws. He was arrested and sentenced recently for trying to sell 10,000 full-automatic AK-47s to undercover FBI agents who were posing as gang members with ties to terrorists.
Literally anyone that wants to ban guns is a fucking pussy. The government is not going to be there to hold your hand every time. Grow some fucking balls. Almost all gun crimes are committed with illegal weapons, I.E., stolen or otherwise acquired illegally. Next thing, you'll be wanting to outlaw red meat and penises over 5 inches. 'Bunch of slack jawed faggots around here.
>>680455442 >would he have been such a threat if he had no gun? >Would criminals be so willing to break into someone's house if they had no gun?
What sort of questions are these? If someone breaks into your house with a baseball bat and you are unarmed that person is a massive threat, if you are a small guy or female and a big guy breaks into your house, they're a massive threat. Basically any time someone breaks into your house you are in imminent danger, they wouldn't be in your fucking house if they were nice people.
As to your second question, crime stats would say fuck yes they would.
A gun always escalates the potential for death but in the US it's escalated for both parties not just the criminal, in places like Britain and Australia you essentially have to hope the criminal isn't violent and wear the consequences if they are which can and does include death.
I'm Strayan and one of my friends was broken into, both him and his wife were beaten senseless with a baseball bat without warning in their beds in what I can only assume was an attempt to prevent the chance of recognition and future evidence from them as witnesses. The guy stole some jewellery.
"Almost all gun crimes are committed with illegal weapons, I.E., stolen or otherwise acquired illegally."
lol you're proving our point anon, no amount of gun 'control' will stop everyone who shouldn't have guns getting them, a total ban is the only way and has worked incredibly well in places like the UK and Australia
>>680455824 Just because the guns are acquired illegally doesn't mean that stricter gun laws wouldn't reduce the problem. Its like if heroin were allowed to be sold in shops, but only certain people could buy it and you had to get background checks etc. The heroin is going to get to the people who aren't allowed it, but want it, regardless.
>>680454418 Another faggot who lies as well as has no experience in reality. Literally every person I know has had to use a gun at home at some point. There have been lots of home invasions people confronted at cars ext. Many time gums have saved those men women and even children. You expect. 4'8 80poumd girl to fight off one large guy or group? I have several friends that are monsters capable of beating HW UFC fighters. They still carry guns why do they even though they are way more than able to street fight? Because most people don't want to take chances. Me and most people except for the few monsters I know take some damage in fights. So logically have gun ready so no need to fight or have any stupidity go down. Women and children because of guns have to ability to protect themselves. Without that right and ability they have no real means of defense. Not everyone is as dumb and self centered as you.
>>680455995 Guns aren't banned in Aus, more registered guns here than ever before. Also nearly all of our gun crime is committed with weapons which have NEVER been registered which is funny considering all legally sold guns here are registered - where do they come from anon? Is it possible criminals can source guns illegally, is it also possible criminals can make and sell guns? Who would've thunk it
>>680455442 >but how did the guy get his? criminals smuggle guns into the US from other countries. the market for guns is just as big as it is for drugs from foreign countries. France bans guns, but those terrorists seem to have a very easy time bringing them into that country. Mexico bans guns, the cartels have a very easy time getting military grade weapons from other countries. the only people who don't have guns where they are banned, are law abiding citizens
>>680453174 Most normal people who deal with reality own guns. Only delusional retarded robots think people owning guns is a problem. Go play with your turd cutter and go to sleep little boy. Pretty sure this is you idea of a normal person.
Literally the whole gun thing is blow up by the mass media a lot. I agree with some types of gun control, background checks should be far more extensive, you should have to attend classes to be able to own the firearm, but we can't just ban all guns, it wouldn't work. It's so funny when liberals talk about how prohibition of drugs dosnt work, but somehow think prohibition of guns will.
Guns are banned where I live and there were two people shot dead last week and it was national news. Americans have some ridiculous opinion that if guns are outlawed that the government will strip them from law abiding citizens and just hand them out to criminals and every second person they meet will be a gun-wielding murderer. Americans are such sheep, whether they admit it or not, it's actually fucking ridiculous
>>680456597 Machine guns have been banned from production in the US since 1986, except for ones which are post dealer samples or for law enforcement or military. Ones that were registered with the ATF prior to the ban are heavily regulated, but still transferable if you have enough money, a clean background, and fill out the correct forms....long waiting period.
>>680450579 >knives can't kill http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/asia/china-railway-attack/ >people can't make household killing devices >people can't just kill another man via shear force and will power The gun just makes it easy man, but if someone wants someone dead, they will fucking do it
>>680455897 I'm sorry to hear about your friend, but I don't think your arguments show that guns that are easily accessible to the public would have made things any better.
Of course there are always going to be criminals, and of course the the balance of power in the confrontation may often favour the criminal. BUT, a unarmed woman has much better chances against a man armed with a baseball bat than she has against a man armed with a gun. A man armed with a baseball bat has to physically move close to you to attack, and likely will take a while to kill you. A man with a gun has to aim and pull the trigger: even if you had a gun on the table next to you, you could be dead before you could reach for it.
Guns for self-defence do not even out the balance of power in a violent attack, it actually creates a bigger imbalance, and raises the stakes
>>680457208 That's why gun bans are still being brought up, because nobody looks at the other aspects. I hunt, archery and rifle. My rifle guarantees that meat stays in my freezer.I haven't bought meat in years because of guns.
>>680456750 Yeah and you can run an obstacle course with a fucking tank but its still designed to kill people Just like using a spoon to kill someone doesn't make it a dangerous weapon, using a gun to shoot a piece of wood doesn't mean it's not designed to kill
>>680450579 >12000 homicides >~400 done with rifles >Rifles, meaning any and all long guns, shotguns, rifles, "assault weapons" >~7000 done with handguns >handguns that do not meet the "scary" criteria that "assault weapons" do You can find all this on the FBI's UCR >>680451917 >People are only violent because of guns no
>>680457360 They raise the stakes yes but they certainly do go some measure towards evening the footing of the two parties, of course there are instances where nothing you could have done would have changed the outcome, this is life, you can own the safest volvo in the world and still die in it.
In your example of the woman, in say Australia she will always be at a disadvantage against an intruder, in America she has the option of defending herself with equal force and I do say the option. Whether the intruder is armed with a gun or not changes nothing if you are unarmed, if they want you dead, it's gonna happen and crime statistics support this. If you choose to defend yourself with a gun you may very well increase risk to yourself but you are also no longer powerless in said situation and the criminal risk chance just skyrocketed.
>>680457393 That's because you can't argue logically with people who form opinions emotionally
>>680456994 I don't know what the gun control campaign is saying, but I don't think they would advocate removing guns from people who actually need their guns.
Australia is often given as an example of the successful banning of guns, but you are allowed to own a gun for legal hunting and sport, as long as you do the paperwork. I live in Australia and I've fired a gun, as I have relatives who own a gun for culling kangaroos on their farm.
If the gun control campaign actually argue that guns should be taken off people who need them for work or hunting, then that is a bit silly. Otherwise, guns shouldn't be easily accessible though.
>>680457963 As I've said countless times before, Australias gun crime rate has been dropping since the 60's, our ownership rate is higher than ever and nearly all of our gun crime is committed with NEVER registered guns(hard to regulate guns which don't exist legally)
dude he's an american, he probably hit double digit bodycount already. Listen to them, they need an ar-15 just to make it to the shop and back safely. If they need a pint of milk they have to brave the warzone and take out at least 2 raiding parties. You've played the fallout games, right? THAT'S THE LIFE THEY LIVE, EVERY DAY. You couldnt pay me to go to america, just listen to the americans, it's the most violent and dangerous warzone on earth, if you arent heavily armed at all times then you're just a target.
>>680457723 Do you really think you're going to have to revolt against the government? The fucking US government? Even if you did, what would your "militia" do to stop the fucking US government? They would just destroy you, and any number of people who tried to revolt
>>680457796 As much as I like to make fun of some aspects of the USA, comparisons between Switzerland and countries like Honduras and Mexico are absolutely fucking retarded.
>implying that the USA, a highly developed, immensely wealthy country, is in anyway comparable to Honduras or Mexico maybe the difference between Switzerland and Honduras is the socio-economic conditions of the countries
>>680457788 The interesting thing about rifle deaths, is that the vast majority are suicides in which long guns such as shotguns are used. It's odd that the left pushes so hard to ban so-called 'assault rifles' especially since they account for so few deaths. Black gang bangers use handguns to commit most gun deaths in this country...but you never see the left pushing for a handgun ban, I wonder why?
>>680458308 Ok, so if the government didn't use any US citizens (i.e military) against the public, then what do you need the guns for? You need guns to restore order from a few hundred corrupt politicians how, when you have 320million people?
>>680458123 some people might need to cull pests on their property
i dunno, if you have a legitimate reason for using guns and you do the paperwork, you can get a gun. I don't really have a problem with people using guns for sport, or work, or hunting for food, whatever, just this argument that guns are necessary for self-defence is bullshit
>>680452781 > Two groups will always have guns: criminals, ...
No they won't. I'm from germany and I've never worried about anyone having a gun. You can get one if you *really* wanted to, but it's not worth the risk for regular burglars, drug dealers and murderers. Let alone that most of these criminals dont invest the kind of planning that you'd have to invest to get a gun.
Of course that's only true because we were never allowed guns. I'll admit that the situation in the US is more difficult.
bruh, king obongo has already launched drone strikes against US citizens. Besides, all they'd need to do is explain that you actually are criminal domestic terrorists and your people would be fine with gunning down the 5% of your population that was trying to violently overthrow the government.
>also bonus points for trying to claim americans would need to be convinced to shoot other americans when you have the highest rate of people from a country shooting their own countrymen in the civilised world
>>680458411 Thats fucking retarded. Something can have two primary functions, and even if one of them is to get food, if the other is to kill indiscriminately its stupid to have millions of them in a country full of morons
>>680458411 If you actually read the original post, it said 'guns for self-defence'. I'll admit I'm assuming this (although I'm fairly confident), but most americans who own guns argue that they need them for self-defence - that is the main argument for easily accessible guns. For the majority, guns have only one purpose, which is self-defence.
Just because a minority use guns responsibly for reasons other than punching holes in people does not mean that everyone should have the right to own guns.
>>680458949 > you >Implying I'm an American Uprisings against governments never happen quickly, shit escalates slowly over time, said escalation gives soldiers plenty of time to decided which side they're going to stand on, the assumption that all of them are statist is retarded
the problem with americans owning guns isnt the guns, it's the americans. You've proven time and time again that you cant be trusted. Every time you have a new weapon you use it straight away to kill humans, you dropped fucking atom bombs on civilians. Now that you dont have a straight up international war to fight you're spending your time shooting at each other with ARs. You're just savages who cant be trusted with weapons, which is why people think you shouldnt be.
Guns ARE made to kill. So? Wouldnt you want to kill the dumbass who broke into your house? I mean sure you can wait on the police or try to overpower the dude.. but pointing a .45 at him i promise the bastard will run.. if not darwinism at its finest.
you know that they make them pledge allegiance to the flag every morning as children, right? They indoctrinate them to be statist from birth. Especially the undereducated poor that wind up making the bulk of their military, they believe america is the greatest country on earth and that god gifted america to the world as part of the biblical story as a blessed land. Tell them that domestic terrorists are trying to destroy america and they'd unload on a crowd of children, no problem.
>>680458604 motherfucker, do you understand how comparisons work?
He is arguing that banning firearms makes things more dangerous, and that owning more firearms makes things safer: this is the argument that guns are necessary for self-defence. For the comparison between Honduras and Switzerland to work, gun control has to be the only thing that changes: gun control is the independent variable, and homicide rate is the dependent variable. HOWEVER, there is a huge fucking extraneous variable, which is the socio-economic state of the country.
The image is saying that the homicide rate in the US will increase in guns are banned, as can be seen in Honduras. However, this requires you to compare the USA, one of the richest, most developed countries in the world, to Honduras, which is not at all reasonable
>>680459111 I too long for the day when I can have the beautiful convenience of being able to pay $100,000 to go to college to get shot and then sell my house to cover the medical cost. Pls America teach me your secrets
so the military personnel wont side with the tyrannical government should it come to it...so who are you gonna shoot? If no one is going to be shooting at you and you could just walk into congress and beat the shit out of the government with the military actually covering YOU and not the government....why do civilians need assault rifles again?
>>680450579 I think the big part that Americans don't get is that Assault Weapons "reset" the police-expectation of "what the risk might be" and the rest of the world looks in to the violent, paranoid American police and we can't believe it. You people think you're free . . . You've been told that lie so many times - we look in : you're fearful - Not Free.
If they ban guns Im taking up archery..which serves the same purpose as guns... or maybe ill become a ninja and learn how to throw knives or something.. fact of the matter is ill find something to replace it.. its just guns are the most efficent way to protect yourself and theres no denying that.
>>680460098 more like >being able to protect your family and livelihood >bending over to the demands of the criminals in front of your children
if someone threatens my family i kill him. gun or otherwise. This is why americans are passionate about gun rights. we hate the idea of no being in control of our lives, not being able to protect our loved ones.
and i got to say its typical you spineless foreigners don't have the balls to understand this
>>680460415 That's the American sheeple for you. They think they're nothing but pure freedom yet can't even think for themselves. It's noticeable in the growing popularity of Trump. His supporters are either idiots, le edgemeisters, or people who are desperate to be counter-culture. It's embarrassing.
>>680459516 Yes, thank you for correcting me. It's true. In fact, the British invented the internet and propagated in Europe, both eastern and western part, as well as some parts of the middle-east. Meanwhile, we Americans didn't want the internet and started protests saying that the internet frees our niggers and we need niggers to be slaves. We also said that the internet was the tool of the devil and demanded it be banned on religious freedom grounds.
Quick question, though: have you ever realized you're an imbecile?
>>680459065 Except that this fails to resolve the 'rule of minimum force.'
Americans are more likely to kill and be killed by guns because as soons as there are two people in a room with guns, the minimum necessary force for both parties is to shoot to kill the other.
Even criminals that use guns to rob or mug people are generally not looking to murder someone. The difference in penalty between robbery and murder is a greater deterrent and most criminals are not psychopaths and would actually feel remorse at an unnecessary murder.
Once they have your money they want to leave. You pull a gun and one of you, probably you will be leaving in a bag.
>>680459601 In the US you are comparing Puerto Rico (shithole with higher murder rate than Mexico) to the US as a whole because our stats just include Detroit and South Baltimore thrown in there where 90% of the gun crime stats come from.
You hear these insane numbers about "90 people a day" but 1-2 people a day are shot in South Baltimore alone in gang related violence over heroine with illegal firearms.
Fact 1: We have a federal background check system in place that is required for you to purchase a handgun. NO STATE IS REQUIRED TO CONTRIBUTE DATA TO IT.
Fact 2: Ex. 100% of the gun related crimes committed in the state of Pennsylvania in 2015 were committed with illegal firearms. BUT WE MUST HAVE MORE LAWS!
How about enforcing the fucking laws that already exist? How about taking illegal guns off the street, locking up criminals who commit gun crimes forever and preventing them from getting guns?
They don't keep record of mentally ill. They don't keep record of felons that move from state to state. They don't do proper background checks until AFTER the gun sale is complete.
The NRA is FOR all of this and most of it is already LAW. They just don't enforce it!
>>680461077 Which is why ownership and particularly defense of oneself with a firearm is an option. >Even criminals that use guns to rob or mug people are generally not looking to murder someone. If this was the case, you'd be safe to keep your firearms locked away but countries which prevent self defense prove this is not the case, unfortunately there's plenty of desperate fucked up people out there.
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