No. New York really was a blow to the amount of delegates left. He would have to win around 58-60% in the remaining states which is impossible. Even then super delegates could still back Hillary and he would still lose. #FeelTheBernout
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3 million voters weren't allowed to vote because they registered as independents and that disqualified them from voting. They can still re register and vote later.
The large majority of registered independants vote Bernie. It's enough to swing it if they get out there. The media will downplay it.
Bernie voters have also been very passionate so you can bet some significant percent of then will get out there.
At the end of the day, too, the democratic party can ultimately choose their candidate, and if Hillary pisses them off enough (which she's done a good job at doing) they'll drop her. Superdelegates can swing too, they haven't even voted. The media mostly exaggerated her superdelegate lead anyhow. They're accepting large amounts of money to tell Bernie voters all is lost, and if you don't dig deep enough and really pay attention, it's easy to accept what they're saying.
No conspiracy here, it's how your system works.
I'm non bias here. Not from your country. Not voting. Don't care. Studied political science so the dynamic is interesting me.
>>680377539 superdelegates barely swing in democratic party, and usually stick to the person in lead, so thats not gonna happen, I was actually suppoting bernie over hillary but I guess people in USA dont understand shit,
>>680378123 My poli sci degree did nothing. I'm a construction worker now (though I love my job). If I'm gonna do anything with my degree you better believe I'm gonna argue on anonymous boards about politics I have nothing to gain from.
The gap of delegates between them is less than is up for grabs in California (400+ I think) but that's the last real counter culture bastion left. If he doesn't win California in a landslide it's all over.
>>680375526 even if dems have contested convention he wont stand a chance its gonna be hillary vs trump if GOP gets smart about beating her or hillary vs whoever they want since they dont want cruz or trump and then hillary wins by default basically
>>680375882 well, the New York election is being audited for massive voter fraud, so it's likely going to change in his favor, just like Nevada did.
In the meantime, he still has a decent chance. If he doesn't get the nomination and it comes down to Trump v. Clinton. I'm definitely voting for the lesser of two evils, which in this case is indisputably Trump
>>680377539 >1 million people voted. Over one million voted for Hillary alone >They can still re register and vote later. Not in NY, not this cycle >if Hillary pisses them off enough (which she's done a good job at doing) She's the consensus choice, she raises money for the party and helps downballot races. The president has been making noises about supporting her even though he is supposed to stay neutral, and just today Michelle Obama was talking Hillary up. She is the choice of the Dem party, Bernie is the insurgent, you are flat wrong. >They're accepting large amounts of money to tell Bernie voters all is lost Wrong. The superdelegates aren't vocal about telling Bernie supporters to go fuck themselves, they want this all resolved quietly for the sake of party unity. >Not from your country Obviously. Go back to where you came from. >Bernie is still in it. His path to the nomination is nonexistent. A 5% Clinton win in NY would have been devastating. 15% makes it mathematically impossible unless Bernie outperforms by a huge margin. That means taking states where the polling has him down 15% by a very large margin.
>>680378959 thats what they are banking on. if trump was backed by republican party he would be a sure thing against hillary or bernie but they dont want trump or even cruz. they want someone like kasich or rubio who will do what they tell them to and never compromise which will cause them to lose since trump will run as independent if the party fucks him. after this election i see a possible new party being formed based off of trump and the republican party being messed up
>>680378892 >get our jobs back those filthy wetbacks do the worst jobs available which no one really wants to do for fucking lowest wage >get our international spine back trump is most hated candidate in the world now around the world, Wake up USA cant survive isolation anymore there is many other big players around Russia, China, Germany and maybe India, Its no more one man show
>>680379463 the world leaders who dislike trump are the ones that will lose free us military forces, trade deals will be redone for and will no longer be rewarded for acting anti-us when the people who praise obama for wrecking the country put trump down thats not a bad thing >>680379613 2 party system will never be done away with unless there is a civil war or something of that nature that completely reforms the nation
>>680380006 >It's going to be fucking hillaryous to watch Hillary and her supporters come crawling back to the Bernie crowd to beg for their support in the general though.
That's not how it works. After the conventions there will be a unity tour. Bernie will talk up Hillary and tell his supporters to vote for her. It happens like this every cycle. Hillary doesn't need to grovel, she will have the full weight of the party apparatus behind her, along with the support of the President and Bernie. It's always been like this, it will always be like this until the party collapses into dust like the Republicans are in the process of doing.
>>680380282 there are so many people that vote strictly on party lines that he will win. they dont care about the actual candidate they just care about democrat/republican. the the republican establishment backs trump they win hands down, just look at the amount of people who are voting in primaries compared to any other time. what will lose the election is when trump runs on his own because they screwed him out of the nomination and now vote is split
>>680379613 well, more party systems can get pretty fucked up too. if two parties have to band up just to get the seats they wont get anything done. hell, just look at belgium. they essentially didnt ve a gvmt for over a year bc of this shit
>>680380579 i guess we will see soon enough. i would assume both are gonna fuck you guys over. trump is an idiot, hillary is an entitled bitch. on the other hand i would love to see bill back in the oval. that bastard sure af will get sucked off by some intern again. shit gonna be cash
>>680380579 yeah, i think Trump may just upset Hillary come November. however, his numbers among women voters are really low and i can see some jumping the R ship to make it a really close W v Gore type situation.
>>680380811 trump is the only one out of the 3(hillary, cruz, trump) who may actually bring bernie in on things. instead of putting friends into positions for there support when running he would put people who know the issues and have real ideas and ways of solving issues long shot but trump could in theory bring bernie in once hes won to help with shit
>>680381057 tbh i think trump will be best because he actually wants to fix shit and not just make a name for himself(by fixing things that will make a name on its own) where hillary just wants to be the first female and cruz just wants to waste time doing what obama did with bush. i would love to see bill get caught fucking an intern again thoug. that would be awesome >>680381059 women have a bad view of him because of the women he deals with. youll have rosie atack him and he will fire back then she acts like he treats all women that way when he only treats them bad if they treat him bad. >>680381100 i actually look up stuff to get a better feel of things and if im proven wrong dont get mad over it
>>680379613 There's no real possibility of that happening this year, though a GOP split with Trump as the nominee and the right sticking with him while the center marches off t form a new party, you might see a viable third party following this year's election.
>>680375526 Very little. He lost by way too much in New York due to their fucked up registration and party switching rules. He can obliterate Hillary in California, but that's the last state to vote and it probably won't be enough.
I'd say 80% chance this election comes down to Hilary vs Trump or Hilary vs Cruz
>>680381626 good old bill! got a freaking hilarious presidential candidate here too. gonna vote for that fuck just for the comedy. our president literaly is a hand shaking prop tho as the PM has most of the power
>>680381539 ................ I'm not sure if this is bait or not but if it is you are doing a great job. Keep it up. I'd like to believe that somebody isn't this stupid but I know some people are. 10/10
>>680382178 it's so funny when teenagers try to form their political opinions based on what's the most edgy possible thing they could say because they have no life experiences to base actual opinions on
>>680375526 Yes, he's doing better than Obama was in 2008 and there is still California and Pennsylvania, plus the guy that set up hillary's network was granted immunity by the FBI so something could go down.
>>680382584 this comment proves you don't understand why people vote the way they vote
no one votes for trump based on policy, everyone knows his policy ideas are retarded (climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the chinese, vaccines cause autism), people vote for him because he's anti-establishment and a populist, which is the same thing bernie is
other than that, the only people voting for trump are rednecks who are unironically racist and the only people voting for bernie are naive college students
>>680382912 Bernie's staff has confirmed that he will remain a Democrat no matter what as of today. It's just not going to happen. At best you might see Trump take half of the Repub base and run third party, but that would absolutely fucking devastate the Republican party.
>>680382912 bernie will be hillary's vp. It sounds crazy, but given the division within the republican party and the fact that hillary and the bern are roughly even in support nationally they will form a unity ticket. the current democratic race is nowhere near the level of division of the 2008 primary, and that's been deliberate.
>>680383329 It all depends on how the rest of the primaries go. The bronx dilemma in new york could be a major shift in bernie running independent. I know a few other states had issues that caused drama and b/s. So maybe if enough goes to shit, bernie may say fuck it
>>680382912 cruz wont get the nomination. the party is only backing him for contested convention then will shift to kasich, rubio, romney or possible ryan if you believe conspiracy. most likely will be kasich or rubio but cruz is getting played thinking party actually wants him
But he is far, far from having a majority of the votes, and his negatives are huge.
If somebody wants to make a case that Trump is driving high GOP turnout, as mentioned above, you have to take that into account. He is driving enthusiastic supporters to vote for him. but he is also driving frightened voters to vote against him.
If he has the support of the minority of the minority party, and drives everybody else away, it gets hard to win a general election.
>>680383680 I know that. the post didn't say if he were nominated, it said he has a better chance of beating trump than hillary. they both will beat trump, Hillary has the best chance of winning the nomination.
>>680382565 At this point though, it's not Trump v. Cruz. It's Trump v. The Field. Hillary leads Bernie and is at this point and is almost assured of going to her convention with a majority of delegates. Trump trails the field and it is not yet clear if he'll get a majority.
>>680383717 Well, Amnesty International, NPR, the Christian Science Monitor, Al-Jazeera, Dr. Cornell West, the Huffington Post, the nation of Pakistan and many others have all pubically accused Hillary and the Obama Administration of war crimes.
>>680383826 he's campaigning in the primary right now. compared to any of the three republicans, Sanders will be on board with hillary. Those three are to a much greater degree what he is campaigning against.
>>680384215 Not only is it not clear, the party leadership is actively hoping for a contested convention. McConnell came out and said that he was "optimistic" that neither candidate would win the required amount of delegates.
The Repub side is heading for an historic shitstorm. Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail has an account of the last brokered convention that is a really good read.
>>680382814 This comment proves you can't read. I am assuming that a bernie supporter votes based upon the candidate's idea of how the country should be managed. In this case, being in accordance to Bernie's policies and then switch to Trump (whose ideas are diametral to social democracy) if Bernie doesn't win is incoherent.
>>680384212 you have to win the nomination to beat trump.
I'm avoiding your point because you will just keep responding. I understand sanders has a better chance if he wins the nomination, but whoever is most likely to win the nomination has the best chance of beating trump simply because trump will not win in a general election.
>>680384485 >demands evidence >refuses to look at links
Here's two quickies to start:
Hillary on a trip to Pakistan to drum up support for the Kerry-Lugar Act. The Kerry-Lugar Act was an offer of $7.5 billion in foreign aid to Pakistan in exchange for the government of Pakistan turning a blind eye to Obama's drone war.
>>680384311 Amnesty international used to force kids here to write letters to get terrorists freed from prisons and would manipulate kids into thinking what they want them to. We had messages on the intercom every morning for a week or two telling us we need to sign petitions etc. They would have the school grade our cards to make sure we did them and would send us to detention if we refused.
>>680385409 a greater margin means Clinton would be in trouble so no
if the Democrats are that stupid to nominate Clinton, who much of America either hates or will hold their nose to vote for, then Trump could win the Presidency, or it might be razor thin close like 2000 and still win
>>680385019 not anon you're debating, but those general election polls are virtually meaningless at this point in time. bernie has yet to be vetted by the GOP hate machine. hillary has (and has suffered for it, but i maintain she's a stronger overall candidate against any current R candidate.
>>680385391 Liks i (another poster) said, amnesty are lying manipulative assholes, theyre the equivalent of PETA for humans. Im not saying your other evidences are shit but anyone who has dealt with amnesty knows they cant be trusted
>>680385849 I see your point, but the polls are valuable in determining just how much people are divided over whether to support Clinton. They really do want a candidate like Sanders, and don't even trust the DNC who by all actions is pushing Clinton from the get-go.
>>680385767 you realize Hillary at this point has received more votes than Trump, right? America doesn't hate her. they don't embrace her as much as lefties do Bernie, but she's still a strong candidate who has stood up to GOP shenanigans for decades now.
>>680385957 It seems like you are confusing 30% with 50%. Please elaborate. I live in a country with 32% average tax and I've been unemployed for 5 month getting 80% of my previous pay each month still..from the government. Please speak up if you think this is bad.
>>680385767 >a greater margin means Clinton would be in trouble so no no it doesn't. it means they will both be fine, bernie would do better.
they know that the easiest way for Clinton to win the general election is to have extremists like trump and cruz dividing their opponents. people will either get so offended by the eventual republican nominee (trump) she will win or someone (kasich or romney) will Ralph Nader the nominee.
seriously, don't get too worried. Clinton will win, she's the lesser of the evils.
>>680386485 your country isn't my country (USA). whatever works for you people is fine with me. our country needs tax reform, both sides agree at least on that. Some want a flat tax, some want to fix the current progressive tax rates. I'm pretty sure if they were going to go with a flat tax, somewhere around 30% is what would work, but I'm not an economist so I don't really know.
>>680386399 Okay, let me green text it to you. Maybe that will work.
>Obama decides to expand Bush's drone war into Pakistan >Sends Hillary with $7.5 Billion to bribe Pakistan into letting them bomb Pakistan >Pakistan tells Hillary to fuck off >Obama invades any way >Thousands of innocent civilians killed >Only 10% of those killed by drones are actually involved with terrorism >Hundreds of organizations around the world denounce these actions as war crimes >formal charges are brought to the ICC against Obama and friends, including Hillary >ICC ignores the charges and refuses to investigate
>>680386822 How about not cutting and running in Iraq? How about not siding with Iran, giving the fucking Saudis an excuse run further amok. How about having some sort of plan after taking out Quadaffi. How about making SOME kind of decision on Syria. How about not doing a middle east apology tour, letting the fucktards know that they'll get no response from a remarkably timid president.
Other than that, maybe just a few other little things.
>>680386828 the empty senate seat from sanders would also create a new "big government" progressive senator. there's nothing at stake for them to worry about. Vermonter here, a republican isn't going to win a statewide election here anytime soon unless they're a "bull-moose" republican, which doesn't exist anymore.
So where are all these democrats coming out of the woodwork to vote for Hillary in the primaries? I went to the caucus and loyerally half of them voted for her, but you don't hear them. Are they like secret elves or something?
>>680387267 >Only 10% of those killed by drones are actually involved with terrorism that's arguable. the children of terrorists are technically involved with terrorism. they do interrogate/torture children to find out what the adults in the family are talking about.
Meh, Bernie will probably do that, but if it's Hillary vs Trump at least some of the people that supported Sanders will likely switch to Trump because they are both anti-establishment candidates and Hillary is the personification of that establishment. OTOH some Republicans might do the same thing because of exactly that as well.
Dunno who I would vote for, it's like being asked to pick between two shitstains while the media sprinkles rose petals over one and shits on the other.
The problem with these current elections is that politicians can feed whatever shit sounds good to the country and the people are too lazy/stupid to actually research these "facts"
I think Sanders has some good ideas but the problem is he has no way of funding/doing any of this. He also loves to shit on the banks and big corporations without giving all the details. Every debate, he can be heard shitting on the Wall Street bailout. Let's get this fact straight, there were two bailouts that occurred. The TARP and the Stimulus. The stimulus was the second bailout that came from the Obama administration. It was focused towards small businesses and municipalities to help them not only recover from the collapse, but also to slow down the overall recession by funding jobs and projects. This was over 1 trillion dollars that the govt spent and never saw again. The TARP was the bailout for big banks that came before the stimulus, from the Bush administration. Now there's a lot of back and forth whether this bailout was necessary and if big banks took advantage of it. The fact is that these banks were literally "too big to fail" and having them collapse would destroy our econom . We're still feeling backlash from letting Lehman Brothers. Now realize, this wasn't free money to banks. These were a series of loans, that as of today, have all been paid back. Further more, not only did the govt not lose any money from the bailouts, they actually made 15billion from interest.
>>680389299 As for the tax issue, Bernie wants to attack the rich hard. But he's not only planning on taxing the rich more, he's raising everyone's taxes. Rich, Poor, Middle class, doesn't matter your taxes are going to go up by at least 8 percent with Sanders. Talk about feeling the Bern. With the corporate taxes mentioned before, there is assumed to be about 2 trillion dollars in US corporate profits sitting outside the country. Now the govt and the corporations both want this money to be in the US. The problem is, the US wants to charge a 35% tax for bringing in that money. Now you can say that these big corporations have so much money that 65% of that is still a lot. True, but why would they pay that? The answer is they don't. Most of that money stays overseas and never comes back to touch the US soil. The only time that money comes back is when corporations are in a desperate need for that money to fund a piece of their business. In these cases, corporations find loop holes for bringing in the money, which leads to the govt creating stricter tax laws, which leads to corporations finding more loop holes, which leads to govt…...etc. There's many CEOs of big companies out there that have already made it publicly known that if the govt lowers this tax, they'd start bringing all that money home. Companies can better use that money in the US than they can letting it sit offshore, but bringing it in after a 35% tax doesn't make it worth while. It needs to be lowered to a reasonable number. 4% of 2 trillion is a lot more than 35% of nothing, especially when that money is going back into the US economy, creating US jobs.
>>680389467Some of the other things he promises just don't seem feasible in the US. Free public college would be nice, but to start, this would cost an outrageous amount of money. Money aside, this would also lead to public schools becoming over populated by everyone wanting to go college. Not everyone is cut out for college, and frankly that's not a bad thing. Pushing these people into public colleges will eventually slow down the curriculum and only strengthen private schools. Instead of trying to make it free, aim for affordable. Find a way to lower prices across all colleges and restructure the student loan process. I know 2008 mortgage backed securities left a bad taste in people's mouth but finding a larger secondary market for student loans can create more available liquidity and allow for cheaper loans. Also, stop pushing for this free Healthcare BS. US Healthcare is one of the most expensive but it's also one of the best Healthcare programs in the world. When people judge the system, the judge the price. And frankly it is expensive, but that's what insurance is for. Most of us never see the actual numbers. We have good jobs that offer Healthcare and for a few bucks a month and a copay here and there, we have the best coverage you can find. Free Healthcare sounds nice but go to another country and see how it works for you. Go see how long it takes to get a doctor appointment in Canada or why alot of people in England purchase private coverage on top of the free system. The US Healthcare system only hurts the poor and those on handouts. How about instead of positioning ourselves to continue to fund the lazy with free handouts and worrying how we can pay their Healthcare too, we start to worry about how to educate our youth towards a road that leads to becoming a valuable member of society instead.
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