Is Bernie Sanders the final solution for America's problems?
he's pointing at us...
Logically, yes.
But America doesn't think logically. That's why Trump has reached the point he has.
>>680341513
socialism doesn't solve shit. Just look at Europe. Only place it seems to work is sparsely populated places with historically amicable people. Best solution would be a Libertarian candidate who is fiscally conservative.
>>680339980
I understand that he'd be doing the right thing for the people of America (free public college, health care, etc.), and I agree with such a plan, but are the people claiming that he'll add another 18 trillion to the national debt correct? Please explain if not.
>>680341887
Look at -what- about Europe faggot? By most stats western European countries are literally paradise next to you hick inbred sisterfuckers.
You're one of those breitbart cucks who believes in the alt-right wet dreams of rape epidemics and shit, aren't you? Top fucking kek, you are living proof that your education system sucks rancid cock.
he lost the new york primary it doesn't matter anymore he can't be elected
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>>680341887
Sparsely populated places?
What you mean to say is it works well on a regional basis. So for it to succeed in America we must treat the nation as a series of regions like states. Oh we already do that.
>>680342905
>europe
>paradise
KEK. you keep thinking that, achmed
capitalism pure is poisen to humanity. when the system only reward the strongest and ruthless one, those oppressed by this system will one day rise and fight back with tooth and nails. Socialism pure isnt much better when the weakst and laziest person will drag the entire society down. You need to find a balance between rewarding the hard working one without leaving the weak one completely behind. As for now USA is heading way too much towards capitalism that will result in civil unrest one day and Bernie is trying to prevent this by leading USA back to the middle way. So yes, Bernie Sanders provide part of the solution. pic unrelated
>>680343535
less people died in Europe by muslim in 10 years than peole killed by your police in USA in just one year. So suck it. us fatty.
>>680342905
if it's so great, why is the EU falling apart? Sure it'l be better for the fucks sitting on their asses or just being bad at life, but it's worse for the rest of us. A baker should be able to charge whatever the fuck he wants for bread. I shouldn't have to pay for others failing. If you don't succeed, you don't reproduce and you die. Natural selection is still the best way to go.
>>680339980
No.
But I actually think he'd be a good president, because he'd have the most restrained foreign policy, and because he won't be able to get any of his socialist programs through a Republican congress.
>>680342905
Yes when I think of paradise the part that stands out most is the deplorable state of services, ridiculous unemployment, and completely bankrupt governments.
>>680343758
Yes anon, keep ignoring your problems. You still live in a paradise!
>>680343290
no, like total population. The downfall of socialism is human intervention when it's being applied. It works in places like Canada or small countries like Norway because the people are mostly nice and there isn't too much going on politically.
>>680344069
Restrained foreign policy was needed in the 80s, but we cant be restrained anymore. Its a catch 22 situation m8
>>680344217
it works in those places because they get healthcare and innovative products from america and china. Those socialist governments are doing everything they can to disguise stagnation.
No. He and the rest of the potential candidates are absolute shit.
I agree with him on some points, but some other points of his are pretty far-fetched and idiotic political moves.
>>680342905
Can't stump so he resorts to name calling. Typical lib. Go brush your faggot ass teeth
>>680344350
I don't mean go soft on ISIS. I mean stop starting wars to bring democracy to the Middle East, which only create groups like ISIS in the first place.
>>680344458
It is pandering pure and simple.
>>680344350
explain to me why we can't be restrained in our foreign policy decisions. I'd rather just stay away from the whole middle east thing. Us being over there is exactly what they want. The only hard part is getting rid of our world police title.
BernBots on suicide watch
CANT STUMP THE TRUMP
>>680339980
>Final Solution
aha, I do, in fact, see what you have done there, Anon
>>680344568
And to which i say, we cant. Catch 22, go in to take care of isis, it will fuck other stuff up, but we cant not go in because we need to fix it. I mean, we could just stop, but they would severely hurt our international relations and we could be pushed out of the international marketplace
>>680344568
this. favorite quote,
"Democracy? Democracy.
Democracy is not what these people need, it's not even what they want
America has been trying to install democracy in Nations for a century
And it hasn't worked one time!
These countries don't have the basic building blocks to support a democracy
Little things like "we ought to be tolerant of those who disagree with us"
"We ought to be tolerant of those who worship a different God than us"
That a journalist ought to be able to disagree with the president
And you think that you can just march into these countries based on some
Fundamentalist religious principals, drop a few bombs, topple a dictator
And start a democracy?!!
Ha
Give me a break."~Jonathan Irons
>>680343896
In that case why is US not taking all the syr refuge in since you fucker caused all the mess with your retarded iraq invasion. Why is Europe paying for your shit. Oh wait its because you fucker are dumb tyranny. Strong bully outside but scared pussy inside. Just keep going with your shit and see your nation fall apart day by day. You re already poor as shit and your economy is only hold together by china. You got water problem because of your retarded fracking and you dont even have a working healthcare system. you are living on borrowed time bro.
>>680344699
I really hope Trumps win.
Like really.
Just fuck the world upside down and shoot you a bullet in the foot, go ahead, I beg you.
>>680344662
Here is a fast and sloppy explanation >>680344866
We would jeopardize our chances in the world marketplace
>>680344877
From fucking Call of Duty? Fuck off
>>680344662
the middle east thing is a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran, and if it gets worse we all lose. Russia, china, north korea are all pushing their boundries with us because Obama is so weak and pandering. We need a leader that other countries know wont take any bullshit. Like the major shift we had after lilly ass Carter got replaced by Reagan
>>680344069
I choose to believe that's really Ariel Winters
>>680343896
You should read up on basic economics. Specifically the parts about supply and demand.
>>680344981
wot?
>>680344981
Wow. Literally everything you said at all, like each individual thing you just spouted, is false.
>>680344207
not a paradise but sure better than usa. We dont worry about getting shoot by police. We have clean water and no fracking here. We have less crimerate, less poverty, less illness and we are not china little bitch who need to beg for money to prevent our goverment to shut down.
>>680345568
Ahh
>>680344981
1 we have more Iraqi and Afgani refugees than anyone, we dont want the fucking syrians 2 we pay for europes shit. 3 nothing is falling apart 4 china's economy is being held up by us buying their shit, and they're currency is still plummeting 4 the fracking issue was from a couple companies that did some illegal stuff, not a nationwide problem 5 our healthcare is expensive but we have the best treatments in the world and the most research
>>680345568
I'm an amerifag, and you don't have to worry about being shot by the police if you don't do anything wrong. It's really blown up by the media who are trying to expose the whites. However, I'm currently living in Europe, but the quality of living is better in the states, but in general, I'd prefer Europe as a future home (only 18).
> let's go Sweden
>>680344998
Lol typical Trump hate rhetoric. HE GON RUIN ERRTHANG
>>680345902
Don't forget we have the freedom to choose our healthcare and coverage and don't have to settle for what the govt forces us to have.
>>680341887
>>680341887
>socialism
no
social market economy
>>680345568
the only people getting shot by police are criminals, our water is cleaner than the sewage contaminated shit you drink in europe, our poor people do better than most eropeans, and china would fall apart without the US, not the other way around. They own US treasury bonds because it keeps they're shit accounts stable, not to prop us up
>>680344981
1. The working people of china are poorer than us, the government and upper class are rich.
2. The syrian refugees are pussies for fleeing instead of fighting for what they believe in
3. The Iraq war was a big mistake, our leaders and people were blinded by the tragedy of 9/11
4. Our economy is held together by its participants; we do have a complicated economical and political situation with China, but we could function without them.
5. What the fuck are you even talking about with the water thing? Even if there is one case, I assure you it is not a common thing, although fracking is bad and should be stopped by oil company executives.
6. Fuck obamacare, Healthcare is simple: doctors have skills, you pay a company so that if you need to use a doctor's skills, they cover it. If you can't afford it, you are obviously not successful and die. Natural selection.
>>680345043
they have good script lines every now and then. Can't say I liked the game though.
>>680339980
was
>>680345568
American
Don't worry about police. Not criminal
We have plenty of clean water.
Fracking is safe.
We have less crime rate of no dindus
Again. We have less poverty if dindus
People aren't dying in the street.
And China's economy relies on our spending. Seriously where do you get your information?
>>680345303
sure he SHOULD put it where the graph tells him to, but he SHOULD also be allowed to over or undercharge and be run out of business for his poor decision.
>>680346376
Fracking isnt bad, just a few companies did it in areas they werent supposed to so it blew up in the media. it's the reason our gas prices plummeted and no one is in danger from it.
>>680339980
no. that would be a gigantic pile of dead burning niggers...is what you're thinking of.
>>680346370
I live in Madrid, and the water is pretty good. It's complete dick in Barcelona, and can't drink it unless it goes through a filter.
>>680346123
The Guardian newspaper is runs database,The Counted, which tracked US killings by police and other law enforcement agencies in 2015, and counted 1140 killed, with rates per million of 2.92 for "white" people, 7.2 for "black", and 3.5 for "hispanic/latino", 1.34 for "Asian/Pacific Islander", and 3.4 for "Native American". The database can be viewed by state, gender (1086 male, 53 female, 1 nonconforming) , race/ethnicity, age, classification (e.g., "gunshot"), and whether the person killed was armed (853 armed, 224 unarmed). You either have a cop problem or a crime problem. Probably a little from both.
>>680345568
>We dont worry about getting shoot by police
are you a black thug?
>>680343535
Actually, I don't see any of that over here.
Austria calling
>inb4 you better knowing then us what's going on here
>>680346613
You're right and I agree with you, but I was going under the assumption that economic success is the wanted goal
bernie will be part of the final solution
>>680346337
socialism + capitalism = social market economy.
people tend to confuse the term socialism with communism, but the sense in which I use it is to describe countries that are politically socialist.
>>680339980
Having a jew as a president won't solve America's problems. It will solve Israeli problems with American money.
>>680345902
best treatment in the world for those who can afford it? Great society. The rich get the best the poor hold everything together. That has allways worked well in mankind history. right?
>eurotards and bernout redditors think europe is socialist
>>680346801
1140/320,000,000 = 0.0000003% that's not a problem, that's impressively restrained.
>>680343535
why is it that this is what Americans think Europe has become? Are you people that fucking stupid or are you just plain lazy? Do some research you fatfucks.
>>680345043
>fav quote
>worst game
Whut even
>>680347094
That's not how it works at all
>>680346376
>>we do have a complicated economical and political situation with China, but we could function without them.
lol
>>680339980
No, he'd get cockblocked by congress. It'd be a start though
>>680344830
Kek
Finally someone gets it.
>>680346597
wrong in most points. But doesnt suprise me from someone who get his education in USA.
>>680346801
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/?page=all
>>680344425
Implying the healthcare private sector innovates anything other than designer drugs for sad people. The government funds the real research at the university level. That's where real discoveries have been made for 70+ years.
>>680347094
we have the best doctors, hospitals, procedures, policies, and equipment for everyone. There are a handful of things like cancer treatments that are prohibitively expensive, but those aren't even available in other countries, they have to fly to the US for it.
>>680346988
my base philosophy is a balance that is more in favor of natural selection than help everyone. My belief is that the government should only regulate what they need to, and let the market decide the rest (free market capitalism). Social policies shouldn't be government, they should be people helping other people without being forced to.
>>680346801
Those numbers are like off the charts wrong
>>680347193
I've lived in both, and you're right. Americans think that it's just one giant warzone, but the larger cities do have the appearance of being more secure than large cities in America
>>680347378
>wrong in most points
no. no he is not.
>>680347221
oh but it does. you think your economy and society will work with only the top 10% of the richest people? Or are you trying to say the beggar on the street can afford a Cancer treatment in the USA (he could in Canada though)?
>>680347414
most of those designer drugs for sad people and viagra and crap were attempts to fix problems like seizures and heart disease.
/b/ in 2010 would never have stood for you berniecucks
pls gtfo
I blame nonamous raids on ISIS and all that shit for attracting you normie scum
>>680347399
we are not talking about skincolour you edgy teenie
>>680347452
you'd like Adam Smith, thats at the heart of his argument.
>>680347452
for everyone? You mean the beggar on the street could afford a cancer treatment in USA?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfkDzXuWhkk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD8GSyLaxrI
>the european caliphate
>>680347255
we would have to build factories, but the main thing China holds over us are bonds. If we somehow managed to break relations with China, either a war would ensue and we could enact a default by toppling a government (I'm out of my area of knowledge on that one so don't hold me to it), pay them in installments (lol), or find another solution.
>>680347698
And failures. The government is the only organization with the resources to truly innovate. Innovation takes too much risk for private enterprise, hence the stagnation we've seen in cancer drugs and hundreds of other primary care treatments. You should be grateful for your government despite it's shortcomings.
>>680348073
>. Innovation takes too much risk for private enterprise
fuckin lol
>>680342493
Not really we'd be paying for all that through taxes not straight out of the gov. Pocket. It would be a slow process that would take up most of his time in office.
>>>/reddit/
back to your cuck shed
>>680347138
Europe is so socialist that almost every country is right / extreme right.
Honnestly, USA is more socialist than Europe on a LOT of things (politics, freedom of speech, artistic freedom, weapon owning, drugs, etc...), but yeah, sandniggers, eurofag, blablablabla.
>>680348073
>innovation takes too much risk for private enterprise
You are right, hence why first generation drugs are so expensive
>>680343549
>capitalism pure is poisen to humanity. (sic)
>capitalism pure
Yes, any "pure" political ideology applied to the state as a whole is bound to fail. The nordic countries are (statistically) far better off because they coupled freedom of economy with socialist policies that would benefit both the people and the state. Introduce socialist based (not pure socialism, I'll agree with you on that, because that isn't entirely realistic) programs. Pump socialism (or even try to strike a balance) into a dirt poor society and you'll end up with dirt poor results. Introduce it into a rich society and it will greatly benefit the poor, and to a lesser extent the middle class at the expense of the rich.
The "rich" are paying the majority of the taxes in the US. Why? Because of US capitalism, that's why.
Sanders does strike a balance between the two, but I still don't agree with his blanket statements (free shit) without clearly stating reformation policies to the programs that he wants to make free in order to reduce government cost. Look at the cost of college education, a lot of the raising costs are due to the increased demand in competent administration (deans, presidents, etc.). Does Sanders' address this? Not that I'm aware of. Does he want "free" education? Yes. The US does few things well, and higher education is one of them. Take this away and quality might drop.
I'm a strong believer in funding the STEM degrees. This would encourage people to study for a degree that will actually NOT make you end up working at starbucks, and actually contribute to society. Want to major in women's studies? Fine. You must either select another science-based major to double-major, or complete the prerequisite science courses to graduate.
Those who are TRULY gifted in the arts will be offered private funding, possibly with a small government stipend.
>>680347683
the beggar begs other people and gathers the money for a cancer treatment, or he doesn't get it and dies because he was not successful and his genes weren't worth passing on.
>>680347683
If the beggar in the street would get off his lazy ass and get a job maybe he could afford it. Or even further back maybe if he didn't abuse drugs to the point that now he's unemployable and cancer ridden 1 he wouldn't be in this mess and 2 even with cancer he could afford care. I'm willing to help people but you're leaving out a lot of information involving the potential recipient of these benefits. A mentally ill homeless person who is in their situation through no fault of their own is more than deserving of help. A faggot ass junkie that gave themselves cancer deserves to die alone in the gutter. Human life is not precious by default
>>680339980
no other cannidate wants to give you anything for free
a vote for bernie, is a vote for never having to worry about what you are gonna do for a living, because janitors and engineers will make the same wage
if you are a person of color, you are crazy to vote for anyone else. bernie is going to make it illegal not to be a minority.
>>680348194
Absolutely. You must not understand the huge costs involved specifically in healthcare. I'm not saying all industries should go this way, but healthcare and education should be entirely non-profit. This does not mean doctors and researchers shouldn't be well compensated, that's not where the excess cost comes from, rather the need for these companies to maintain ridiculous profit margins with no benefit to the consumer/person in need.
>>680347811
Whoever I replied to posted wrong facts about skin color of people killed by cops
>>680348476
I like you natural selection guy
>>680348675
>education should be entirely non-profit.
>european schools are dogshit
>A and B should fund C's urban studies degree
no.
Having free education, healthcare, social security and disposable income is pretty sweet imho.
But if muricans dont want it then have fun
>>680349174
I'm a civil engineer from Cornell. Private schools will still hold prestige and will likewise be profitable. You're arguing for a dumber population, something that is ruining America. Especially now with the internet we need people who can interpret data and discern fact from nonsense and we seem to be severely lacking.
>>680348624
>if you are a person of color, you are crazy to vote for anyone else.
I'm still shocked why he lost states because persons of color weren't smart enough to vote for him.
I mean, I'd probably not vote for him, but da niggas in the hood proly should.
I'm assuming it's because they immediately think Bill was a pretty swell guy and any bitch who sticks around for their niggar is a vote for hillary.
>>680339980
>final solution
>sounds more like trump
>I'm ok with this
>>680342493
Almost all of that figure is from universal health care, which is money that we already pay to private companies instead of the government. he would raise everyones taxes by 2% to pay for that, and I would save money if I paid 2% more taxes but didn't have to pay for insurance any more
>>680349495
>You're arguing for a dumber population,
no, I'm arguing that people pay for what services they use themselves. and if you really cared about education you would be more concerned over our garbage 1-12 school system which has been getting worse and worse for 60 years.
>>680344981
"Why is Europe paying for your shit"
Nigga, the US has been holding Europe's hand ever since 1945. Without the US Europe would have been Russia's bitch. And it still will be if you don't start paying for your own goddamn military.
>>680339980
America won't elect a cuck
>>680349495
>implying higher education is what america needs
If you build a house on sand, it wont stand. We need to fix k-12 in america, otherwise it is pointless because they will have to either A.) Dumb down higher ed so people who were pushed through can get the education B.) Deny entry to the schools, which defeates the purpose of free higher ed. Both of these options leave some Americans behind, and A. Makes our curriculum pointless on a global scale
why are people arguing for "free" degrees instead of "free" stem degrees
>>680349904
>no, I'm arguing that people pay for what services they use themselves
So are you opposed to public elementary/high schools that you are arguing we need to improve?
>>680349904
No you're just arguing for a dumber population. Why even have public school at all then? Or social security so your grandmom can die sooner because her savings won't last 15 years, obviously it's her fault inflation is moving faster than her savings compounds. Your kids will understand they don't need a grandmom in your third world paradise.
>>680343549
>Honey Badgers
>gun with gunded sword
>lions
>ted cruz
easy.
>>680347908
It is quality over quantity. If you want more then you can work more. There is nothing holding you back from rising in the US
>>680350014
this
>>680349174
My school attracts a shit-ton of Asians and other foreigners. I ask them why they chose this school and pretty much all of them answer that they'll get accepted into the top graduate programs in their country just because they went here.
My school isn't even in the top 10 world-wide. Your stats also don't include the education costs for foreign residents (re: out of state in 'Merica).
>'Merica's universities within the top 100 are the literal majority in the world
'Merica does higher-education right. The thing that needs to be reformed is college administration.
I'm a grill irl and I hope trump gets elected so we can have a real man for president and not Cucklord Sanders
>>680339980
Or maybe, one person can't change what stems from home? Damn, putting so much faith in one man.
>>680350541
>Cucklord Sanders
>girl IRL
Don't fuckin lie
>>680350541
there is literally 0% chance Trump wins. Its either Bernie or Hilllary
>>680350138
Because most people these days are too stupid to get a legitimate degree, so they get some useless Liberal Arts thing with no viable career, and then bitch about being in debt. This is why most millennials are Sanders supporters.
>>680350541
time-stamp or your opinion is absolute shit.
>>680350215
no because those teach basic skills such as language, reading, writing and basic arithmetic that are required to function in society
>>680343039
250,000 votes in brooklyn aren't accounted for. and a lot of the ballot machines were putting shillary votes by mistake.
>inb4 illuminati
>>680350014
I'm all for investing more in k-12 in addition to college. All of this can easily be paid for if we wen't back to 1950-1960s levels of taxation, or if we just taxed 1 in 4 corporations at all, or if we stop letting these corps move jobs and cash overseas, or if we audit the pentagon. The money is there, it's already been taken from you, and the rich, white niggers of the world are keeping it unless you take it back.
>>680350411
>social security is good
lol
>>680350726
there is literally 0% chance that bernie wins.
>>680350726
What? No, It's between Hilary and whoever the republican primary will be.
>>680339980
This country either Berns
Or it burns.
We have massive, massive leeches sitting on top of us and they ruin every aspect of our lives that involves money.
I want to drag the poll managers into the streets and hold them accountable publicly.
>>680348414
The nordic countries are going to shit.
hurr durr freedom guns fuck taxes and muslims hurr durr
>>680350728
and most people get absolutely no education and then bitch about immigrants and minorities taking their money. And thats how a Trump-voter is created
>>680350771
None of these people remotely understand the economy or velocity of money. Just give up arguing with the plebeians and accept your role as a wealthy person forever fucking the idiots.
>>680350939
>massive leeches
>says the fucking bernout redditor
top kek
>>680350939
Leeches are at the top and bottom, my friend.
>>680339980
Sadly it's going to be Trump, then Kanye West.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqSzUYI88V8
>Kanye Fucking West
>>680350960
whatever floats your goat faggot
>>680350972
hurr durr fuck the rich i love brown cock gibs me dat hurr durr
>>680350989
Crazy times we live in.
>>680350850
Go live in America in 1915 with $10 in your name. You'd be dead by 40 and that would be a capitalist success.
>>680350726
Meh, I wouldn't underestimate the Trump supporters. From my understanding, Hillary would have to win twice the lead (in actual pledged delegates) over sanders, that Trump currently has over the next republican hopeful.
Sanders/Clinton is actually surprisingly close, but there is no way that the Democratic party would have them both run.
>>680351236
not an argument.
>>680341513
Please name a successful socialist country.
Please keep in mind that nordic countries have disavowed themselves from being considered 'socialist' since Bernie keeps namedropping them.
>>680350771
You are purposing to shut down trade. Oh you arent? What do you think will happen if we try to bring jobs back by force? We will shut ourselves out of the global marketplace. We need to incentivise companies to come back, but in your mind this is considered corporate welfare and is evil so welp cant do that. The money is here that is correct, we need to put more in the hands of the public. There are ways to do this, but bernies plans...bernies plans will fuck up this country. We are on a tightrope right now, i know things seem good but we just put humpty dumpty back together, we shouldnt be placing him on any walls right away.
>>680350960
> GDP rising
> going to shit
>>680351396
venezuela
>>680339980
Nope. He hates white people.
>>680350726
if Hillary wins, it will be a dark day. She sets people up to die, then tries to cover it up. How is she not in jail? She also has terrible money sense, remember that 1 million dollar woodstock museum?
>>680350960
stats are stats.
Yes, Sweden is cuck, but look at Norway.
It's going to come down to Trump vs Hillary. Bernie losing NY was the worst blow to him.
>>680351507
>venezuela
Are you actually serious.
>>680350771
>All of this can easily be paid for if we wen't back to 1950-1960s levels of taxation
bernouts are hilarious. they're so stupid that they actually think people paid those taxes.
>>680351396
name a country that has ever been successful when it adheres to a single ideology.
>>680351507
>venezuela
>successful
Black market tp anyone?
>>680351414
No I'm proposing moving forward with things as they are but no more moving industry overseas. Leave it as is and move forward focusing internally. Obviously we have to keep the dollar strong on a global level, but that can be done without moving any more jobs overseas.
>>680350923
yeah except the democratic election is like Tyson vs Hollyfield, the winner fights Richard Simmons for the title.
>>680351649
>no more moving industry overseas
i too enjoy paying more for the same things
>>680345902
EuroRekt
>>680351607
They didnt pay those nope. The usual tax dodging was happening but theres only so much that can be done. When the tax rate was 90% the wealthy paid around 50% which is still 50% more than 1 in 4 corps pay today.
>>680351668
if only it weren't such a prisoner dilemma with third party candidates, we might get a good president.
>>680351649
If we keep thing the way they are companies will continue to move, because they are doing it now. We need to restructure our system but we cant go in without any lube friend. We need to trap the companies. Lure them back in with sweet talks and tax breaks, then once they are here close the trap. Bernie wants to close the trap now, and that will kill us
>>680351396
>nordic countries have disavowed themselves
citation needed.
I'll completely agree that Sanders' idea of "Nordic Socialism" isn't completely up to par, but still. The government should control certain areas that are the most beneficial to the survival and development of the state (e.g., education and healthcare).
>>680351869
except that obama's definition of "wealthy" includes the middle class
After New York, I can't wait to see the tears of Bernie Sanders advocates when he inevitably drops out.
It'll be a good day.
>>680351629
Hong Kong
Singapore
New Zealand
Switzerland
Austrailia
>>680351947
It'll take him years to "close the trap" but at least he'll be trying. He won't do anything to hurt the global dollar and will prob end up looking like Obama at first. It's his intentions that matter.
>>680351983
http://www.headlinepolitics.com/denmark-tells-bernie-sanders-stop-lying-country/
http://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-explains-why-a-european-financial-transaction-tax-wont-work-2011-9
>>680352153
No. Have you not been paying attention? Companies are on the move right now, and many more are ready to leave if he gets in office. It may take him years, but during those years he will be spouting the same rhetoric of corporations are evil, and fuck the rich. They are going to jump ship, it isnt rocket science. If bernie was concerned with this he wouldnt be showing his hand right away.
nice candidate
>>680351649
Enjoy your 2,000 Iphone.
If there's one thing that I dislike about capitalism, it's the silent slavery that comes behind it. You can regulate all you want with fair labor laws, etc. within the US but there is nothing stopping you to ship production over-seas to child laborers making pennies on the hour (or contracting with countries that allow African children work in mines to harvest magic iphone battery dust).
Slavery is real in modern democracy, it just isn't visible.
>>680352047
>150k in student loans
>bernie was my career plan
>>680352658
>silent slavery
lol
>>680352614
Assume trading volume decreases by 50%. lol thats a fucking stupid assumption. Are you sure you understand this?
>>680352755
Youll love these
Pretty sure at least one if fake
>>680351607
>>680352863
>http://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-explains-why-a-european-financial-transaction-tax-wont-work-2011-9
are you? and bernie literally links to the site in that image on his fucking website
>>680352755
Don't rage, my friend, just laugh knowing life has already bit that idiot in the ass.
>>680352658
one of the biggest flaws with political/economic ideologies is that they don't work properly if everyone is not using it.
>>680352614
This post includes the inherent assumption that a fall in trading volume would be harmful, economically.
That assumption is without basis.
>>680352416
Still not convinced until Norway master race chimes in. Few Muslims AND a great social plan? Sign me up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Very_high_human_development
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000
>>680353190
then fuck off to norway
>>680352789
I thought it was clever...
>>680353090
lol
>>680353014
It doesn't change the fact that it is literally the worst case senario. with Iran selling gas off so cheap to fuck OPEC we are in a perfect position to attempt Bernie's plans.
>>680353369
>we are in a perfect position to attempt Bernie's plans.
good thing that won't happen.
>>680353090
Yep there's no data to back up that assumption. oh no, the 1% aren't keeping 99% of the wealth anymore. It goes full circle back to the velocity of money.
>>680339980
Some people vote for Trump get over that
>>680352919
These people need to die
>>680353590
>businesses leaving the country is good
t. bernie cuck
>>680353299
Jokes on you, I've been learning Norwegian for a while now, just in case this Trump fellow gets elected.
My ancestors were from there originally and I have a science degree from a nationally-renowned university so I don't think it would be too hard to get back in.
>>680353880
Businesses that have no business here. Cowards who refuse to pay their workers and ship the jobs overseas. Lower the standard of living for all Americans. They can fucking leave.
>>680353880
More opportunities for entrepreneurs, or do you enjoy your oligopolies?
>>680354437
That leaves nobody m8
>>680339980
Another Canadacuck making Bernie threads
>>680353732
But why? Why don't people realize that the same traits (authoritarianism) that lead to the election of Hitler are also leading to the election of Trump?
>>680354555
How does that open the market, if the money in America is gone? Loans by banks? I thought the banks were evil
>>680354605
320 million Americans left, all with needs and wants. America will do fine with a purge of the cowards.
>>680354645
>>680354645
The regressive left is the only modern authoritarian ideology.
>>680354611
I've actually heard of Canadacucks supporting Trump.
>>680354645
Or of Hillary for that matter. All major party candidates are strongly authoritarian right now. I wish voters unsatisfied with their choices would choose third party, but there's little chance of that happening.
>>680354800
But the money is gone, who is paying who? Bank loans? I thought the banks were evil cowards, they prob left as well
>>680354834
kek you really think trump isn't an authoritarian?
>>680354645
with drumph, make america white again
>>680354834
Have you even seen a political compass?
>>680355020
He is, but not based on ideology.
>>680354555
>More opportunities for entrepreneurs
more opportunities for monopolies
>>680355065
>implying the right only has authoritarians
Hows senior year going? Got prom plans anon?
>>680354947
You're acting as if it will happen overnight. Because it will take time, there will be time for smaller businesses to thrive. The value of money is relative and frankly most businesses will choose to weather the storm because they know leaving America would bankrupt them. News has you people scared.
>>680354645
He isn't Hitler. He's just a populist that make official media look even more stupid than he is himself. Also he'll be assassinated or taken down anyway.
>>680355251
>they know leaving America would bankrupt them.
literally the opposite
>>680355172
That's only because Trump doesn't have an ideology, he just says whatever is on his mind, for better or worse
>>680355251
How will smaller businesses thrive when they have to spend the majority of their profit on a 15 dollar wage and now on higher production costs because these cowards left? Youre delusional m8, go smoke another fatty
>>680347378
We have superior Universities... To even Europe. Face it, we win.
>eh
>>680354853
I'm (reluctantly) one of them.
>>680355361
Not when Bernie disables the inversion process. It will upset China in the short term but if we let them keep the business they already have it will work for some time. America is designed to change. We need socialism now and at some point we will need to the opposite.
read rothbard motherfuckers
>>680344069
I agree. I've watched him change from his advocacy for the disenfranchised to the current trend to bolster middle-class bank accounts.
I think he has been and will continue to be valuable in the Senate.
>>680355893
He's talking about his little totalitarian dictatorship, not democratic socialism. We're not talking about fucking toilet paper.
>>680354834
True to a point, but not entirely accurate overall. Trump is, by far, the most authoritarianist inclined candidate and the other candidates to show some authoritarianism qualities. I truly wish that the US at least had ONE third party to break up the odds. I read somewhere that 30% of Sanders' voters identify as independent. If that isn't a call for multi-party system, I don't know what is.
The parties will spoon feed us the candidates and we will argue about them until another one is elected.
>>680355477
When people who make the minimum wage get more money, they spend 100% of it and goes into the economy. When a rich person gets that money, they stash it away and don't spend it. Raising the minimum wage would stimulate the economy by giving the poorest people more money to spend. Some businesses might not be able to afford paying thier employees that much, but the economy as whole would improve
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up3_aGCJ02Q&list=LL24qbFBubUoPsFdVfd6NTPw&index=1
>>680356111
Trips wins this round.
>>680342905
>European countries are literally paradise
I know this is /b/ and 10 y.o faggots from middle class family lurks here a lot... but fuck man how do you become this oblivious to reality ?
>>680355203
I'm not saying that, I'm saying that hillary and trump are both strongly authoritarian.
>>680356111
>they stash it away and don't spend it.
lol no
> by giving the poorest people more money to spend
or you could do the same thing without hurting small businesses by cutting taxes
>Some businesses
yes, those businesses would be small businesses who fail, while the large businesses fire employees and cut costs
>>680356111
>some companies wouldnt be able to pay it
Yeah the majority of small businesses wont. And mark my words, we are heading towards a world of salaried and contract workers. Yes more money into the hands of the poor is good, but doing this off the back of our entrepreneurs is a shitty idea that will kill innovation and give the big corporations the upper hand. It will create a feedback loop that stifles competition and will create monopolies. Sanders ideas if implemented will create a wasteland where the 1% will have the upperhand, and the majority of us will be dependant on the government.
>seattle raises min. wage to 15$
>unemployment goes up
>>680342905
I find it sad that an entire Union of countries has a GDP only slightly higher than that of one.
>>680356541
>lol no
did you learn nothing from the panama papers?
>or you could do the same thing without hurting small businesses by cutting taxes
We can't really afford to cut taxes any more we already have a ridiculous 20 trillion in debt and a deficit
>the large businesses fire employees and cut costs
The large businesses will take the cut in profits, because firing essential employees will hurt their profits even worse. Most businesses don't hire based on how much money they have, they hire the number of employees they need
>>680356083
This. The majority would probably like a libertarian or other third party over hillary or trump, but they're too afraid of getting one of those two that they vote for the other one instead.
>>680357147
what?! is majority of usa people really libertarian?!
>>680357134
>The large businesses will take the cut in profits, because firing essential employees will hurt their profits even worse. Most businesses don't hire based on how much money they have, they hire the number of employees they need
Hahaha
Oh man, oh man. No, if you think the big business will just eat the cost and not pay it forward, it doesnt aurprise me that sanders appeals to you
>>680357134
>The large businesses will take the cut in profits, because firing essential employees will hurt their profits even worse. Most businesses don't hire based on how much money they have, they hire the number of employees they need
Hahaha
Oh man, oh man. No, if you think the big business will just eat the cost and not pay it forward, it doesnt surprise me that sanders appeals to you
>>680355310
I actually said the same thing about Obama once he became elected (then it was more due to white supremacist bs than anything). But I strongly doubt that Trump is intentionally trying to make anyone smarter than he is.
Trump is likely a VERY intelligent individual. I have zero doubt in my mind about that (despite some of his ideas and promises if he'd be elected president). Becoming that wealthy isn't easy and I do respect him for making a name for himself.
Still I wouldn't vote for him though.
>>680357134
Do you even inflation?
Also, companies are getting closer to bring able to automate if they want
>>680357391
No. But it our strongest 3rd party, the majority of americans are moderates
>>680339980
>final solution
>mfw he's jewish and this is the best America can do
feels bad man
>>680357391
Probaly no but its better than their current options, I just pulled a third party off the top of my head.
>>680357564
He inherited it anon. Doesn't take much intelligence to inherit money.
>>680343896
European Union is not falling apart. It is just Russian hybrid war doing it job, to actually convince people EU is shit and useless.
Fuck Putin who hates our happiness.
>>680344467
I agree with you, but no need to be a hypocrit
>>680339980
No. He's the beginning of even more
>>680356111
Except for the fact that price of goods will increase at he same rate and people with decent wages will either be making the minimum or get raises to match the stupid market that has now been created and everyone will be right back where they were. The poor will be poor and the rich will be rich and we will figuratively be spending a wheelbarrow full of cash on a loaf of bread.
>>680355926
Why not move to the US so you can find out what it actually costs to pay for healthcare then?
Why doesn't trump support the building of a wall with canada then?
I like your picture btw, it reminds me of home. No polar bears though.
>>680357603
automation is inevitable anyway I don't know what the solution to it is, but I'm not going to say people don't deserve a livable wage because of that threat
>>680357391
The majority just want to be left the fuck alone. So yes. That is correct
>>680357836
>he inherited a billion dollars
no
>>680357836
He inherited a little bit of it. He is largely responsible for what he has now.
>>680358258
>Why doesn't trump support the building of a wall with canada then?
is this a serious question
>>680358258
I do pay for healthcare, as pharmacare, extended care, and dental care is paid for by the individual in Canada.
>>680357999
Nigger I brush my fucking teeth
>>680358530
if he had invested his money in an index fund (the most basic thing you can do in the stock market) he would have more money than he does today
>>680357391
A decent percentage of Americans would be somewhere in between democrats and republicans on the political spectum. Basically indicating that a third (more moderately-leaning) party should be introduced.
>>680357807
I think that's the joke, guy.
>>680358317
The minimum wage does need to be raised in some locations to account for living costs, but federal is just dumb. It doesn't cost the same to live in Charleston, SC as it does to live in San Francisco, CA
>>680358685
That article was extremely flawed and based on super captian hindsight powers
>>680358685
That's not what an industry leader does tho. Investment is fine but it doesn't have any inherent risk. That's the kinda balls it takes to do what needs to be done. Just because he tried something and came out with less than if he just let a wealth manager put it into a fund with doesn't mean he's not successful.
>>680356070
He is saying that "Democratic socialism" eventually spirals out of control and destroys everything. You retard.
>>680358936
This.
>>680339980
Sanders is finished.
It's up to Trump now.
Fuck hillary
>>680339980
>>680357836
Wat.
Do you have any idea what it takes to get into Harvard Law and graduate Magna Cum Laude?
I'll admit, he did probably inherit some money, but not enough to buy him the highest Latin honers at the best law school in the world.
>>680358762
The problem there is on which policies to mix. Left economic, right social? Right economic, left social? Too many possibilities to please everyone.
>>680339980
he look like a freak touching a 12 year olds breast
>>680358558
Both Canada and Mexico are a part of the NAFTA. Why should USA single out Mexico for taking our jobs?
>>680359273
This. He could actually be good if he listens to his aides and brings in good aides.
>>680358762
Even then, the main US parties aren't good representations of the left and right wings. The Democratic party are becoming increasingly nothing but corporate shills, and the Republican party are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
>>680358595
Most healthcare plans are cheaper if they're subsidized by the state and not through jewy health-insurance organizations.
>>680359428
Because they're the ones jumping fence in large numbers. What we need to do is help fix mexico, not shut them off.
>>680349859
believing everything he says. you are the problem.
>>680359428
because there aren't many canadians hopping the border?
>>680348203
what do you think taxes are shitlord?
>>680359428
Because Canada's government isn't actually publishing pamphlets on how to illegally cross the border and where to find the best "ask no questions" work when they get in. Also their popular music isn't doing the same thing
>>680347063
>It will solve Israeli problems with American money.
Will ? Israeli has been doing this way before the nigger became president . The jewish lobbyist will continue to send american tax money to Israel as long as America exist .
>>680359699
>What we need to do is help fix mexico, not shut them off.
This is actually a good point. We should be putting pressure on Mexico to make their own country great again rather than just telling them to fuck off.
>>680358349
so why libertarians do not rule the state?
>>680360105
One way would be to decriminalize drugs in america. Make it worth a fine instead of jail time when caught with possession, and focus all efforts on stopping cartel movement
>>680359717
Are you implying that he is lying about his public health care plan?
>>680360125
Because most Americans are too hardwired to vote two-party. Others are more afraid of one party than the other and strategically vote.
>>680344069
He should lead a children hospital not a state with nuclear weapons or nagotiate with dictators and statesmen, or lobbygroups.
>>680359687
They're actually cheaper when they're allowed to compete with each other without govt interference. I agree with the previous condition part but Obamacare is literally why people who were paying $100/mo are now paying $250/mo and actual Obamacare is not that cheap even for their cheapest plans.
>>680359806
free trade is free trade man. Whatever steps the US tries to curb with Mexico, it should also curb with Canada.
Inb4 muh oil profits.
If Canada was so concerned with it's oil profits, it should have no problem letting in an equal share of our North American brothers.
>>680360401
that is sad
>>680360401
This
>>680360356
Get government permission, then boots down in Pablo's town to weed out the cartels.
>>680360367
Lying is a strong word. Not the anon you are talking too, but i would consider it as he is either withholding info or embellishing
>>680339980
I saw what you did there.
>>680360467
This. My focalin copays didn't used to be $50
>>680360579
Exactly. They need our help, and our drug lust has helped fuel the cartels. We could legalize and start producing in America, but that is a whole can of worms that is easier said than done. Treaties and what not
>>680360580
but if the math adds up and everything is paid for why wouldn't you trust him? You can disagree with the plan, but saying anything more is silly
>>680343758
I'm white, so I won't ever have to deal with that.
>>680360356
I agree with this (kind of). The proper tax would have to be placed on currently illegal drugs. Plus the fines would start to come from the IRS not the DEA.
>>680339980
Bernie can go fuck him self and go back to high school and learn economics.
bernie sanders isnt good. his allure is largely due to marketing.
A lot of the shit he says doesn't make any sense. Like universal healthcare or breaking up the big banks or $15 federal minimum wage or free college - these are all fantasy like Trump's wall and "winning so much you are going to be tired of winning".
On other things, he is just plain wrong. He is against nuclear power, fracking, and GMO foods, 3 of the big anti-science positions on the left. He implies that glass steagall was responsible for the recession of 2007, and he says trade deals were bad for the economy, both positions that go against expert consensus.
Grow up and vote for Hillary you faggots.
>>680360895
The math that he has said. to trust a politician fully shows great ignorance and naivety, sure what he has told may add up, but he may not be telling us everything. This is a presidental election, you dont show your full hand. You think obama went around to the campaign stops and said im gonna drone the shit out of the mid east, or im not really gonna shut down gitmo
>>680347138
I need to finish watching that anime...
>>680361330
Funny how most degree carrying economists agree with many of his ideas. Then again you listen to politicians instead of the people that understand what the policies actually do.
>>680361078
See you will never get all the drugs off the streets but you can lessen how many are there and this would help mexico out
>>680361078
Put some of those taxes into rehab and education and you got a deal. We have the same problem with drugs as we do with sex education: we just say "don't do it" people do it anyways. We need to teach about them.
>>680360467
Obamacare is absolutely horrible.
Capitalism can reduce costs (competing between plans), but government sponsored programs can be made to reduce costs further (if the government is non-corrupt, etc.).
>>680361496
Only thing I disagree with is voting for Hillary.
>>680350764
"'"mistake''""'
>>680339980
Yes indeed he is.
He's prepared to finally send the United States tumbling helplessly into the dustbin of history.
And I'm okay with this.
Now will the welfare queens be okay with it when there's no more welfare? I don't know. Will the hipsters be okay with it when they get beaten within an inch of their life for their skinny jeans? I don't know. Will the faggots be okay with it when they're forced into sex slavery? I don't know.
I don't care, either. Good riddance. Bring it on.
#feelthebern
>>680360895
>if the math adds up and everything is paid for
When - in the history of every government in the world, ever - has that even once been the case?
And even in magical fantasy economics world where it did all add up, there's still the question of, is this a moral plan?
Pro tip: it isn't. It robs individuals of their free will.
>>680361496
>universal healthcare or breaking up the big banks or $15 federal minimum wage or free college
how are any of these fantasy?
>He is against nuclear power, fracking, and GMO foods
I don't know his position of nuclear power, but why wouldn't you want to end fracking? It's terrible for the environment and that is backed up by science. And hes not against GMO foods, he just wants them labelled as GMO, not something I would ever complain about
>He implies that glass steagall was responsible for the recession of 2007, and he says trade deals were bad for the economy, both positions that go against expert consensus.
Ummmm what? There is no consensus but many experts agree with both those of those points
