I think I'm being monitored by a government agency.. any idea how I can tell? Trips decides what I'll do
Go knock on their window or on the back of the van. If they're with a surveillance outfit they won't even let you get close to the vehicle. They'll either drive away or one will get out to make sure you're not going to touch the van by having a cigarette.
I know this because when I was 17 my neighbor was a pedo and was under surveillance. I thought the van was some kind of stalker and when I tried to ask them about it they asked me a million questions and told me to move along.
Go somewhere you wouldn't normally go if you're unsure. Spend about a half hour there trying to look normal. If you see a car/person in the area while you're there then you might be under surveillance. Especially if someone walks into the place shortly after you do and stays just as long. Stores are a great place for this because if you're already out of place there's no reason for that person to be there.
There's plenty of tricks for counter surveillance. If you can confirm it go get a pack of number magnets and make words on the side of their van. Misspell a few to make it look like a kid did it. It will fuck with their equipment enough for them to have to get out of the van and show themselves. Setup a camera near the back and you can get some pretty compelling evidence for a court if they don't have a warrant in their van that's signed by a judge.
Stay aware anon and put down the bong. I know it's 420 but you've had enough.
Everybody drives those ugly as fuck vans these days.
I thought I was being investigated too and then it turns out it was just my faggot neighbor who has to be a part of the latest, stupidest fad.
Are you fucking kidding? They are ALL about cracking darknet sites! Nuke all your shit immediately, and do something innocent outside like washing your car or mowing your lawn without making it look like you're onto them. Outside, so if they notice that the site's down, they don't think you're cleaning shop and rush in.
that extra ''side window'' is what makes it suspicious
Magnets on their van? Seriously?
A) They'll hear that even if they don't see it.
B) What makes you think magnets fuck with anything like that?
Electromagnetic waves and electromagnetic fields are pretty independent of each other. Your fridge magnets don't mess with your fridge, cell phone, TV or anything else, do they?
Fuck! Here is my dilemma, I take the site down remove all evidence and it turns out to be nothing, then what?! I'm going outside to have a smoke and see if I can walk past it. Will report back in exactly 5 minutes, if I'm not back. Assume the worst.
The cold war was a hell of a time, but that was other country at other time. It's a shame that good old fashioned field work like this doesn't happen anymore.
Why stake out a home when you can remote access his phone?
It's a waste of money, time and spooks to use le black van meme. Nowadays Five Eyes has the world pretty much covered as far as surveillance. In many countries they don't even need a warrant to activate your camera, microphone and collect your outgoing packet flow from your ISP.
Why stop there though? The NSA can strong arm your ISP into giving up all relevant information in regards to your internet activity at any time if they label it under "the interest of national security".
This meme of surveillance vans came about during the cold war when you had to do this in order to gather intelligence on a target>}
>A & B
>magnets on televisions don't ruin them
Any self respecting surveillance agency isn't going to be using the old black van. The main reason is fridge magnets were a serious problem back in the day. They could contaminate stored information with even small amounts of electromagnetism. Many spooks have commented in declassified files that they wanted shielding in the vans to prevent this problem but this idea was scrapped in favor of more surveillance equipment and perimeter control guidelines.
1 or 2 magnets won't do anything. A pack of letter magnets wreaks a lot of havoc on these vans and their sensitive equipment inside.
Anon most likely isn't being surveyed as this van meme is older than the internet itself and isn't used anymore.
Why don't you admit what kinda site it is.. tt will make our bust go easier. Also you are out of milk and you didn't wash your hands last time you went to the bathroom. But we aren't watching...
I guess it depends on the routine you are used to, if that van was parked outside of my house which lies on a sparsely populated area at the outskirts of the city then i'd start suspecting worst things than cops as it will have no good reason to be there.
Likelyhood of them being cops, vs cost of being wrong either way.
What do you lose if you take down your site?
What do you lose if they catch you with all the evidence?
And looking at that van, I'm pretty sure they're on to you.
Yes, they can get a lot without ever being in your neighborhood, but it's a lot easier to get a slam dunk case if they grab your physical computers with the evidence on it, and subpoenaing your ISP won't tell them whether you're home or not so they can grab you.
Gotta love how nearly everyone replying to this crap is assuming OP is in the US. Those are UK license plates on every vehicle in the picture.
If OP has said he's in the US, you're getting trolled. If he hasn't, you're a bunch of idiots.
If they're going to black bag you they're not going to make it this obvious. They can tell when you're home and asleep. That's when they would nab you.
No warning. Boots to the door with a warrant in hand. Before you even know what's going on it's over.
Most of what people believe about espionage is what they have seen in movies. The real thing is much less exciting and is done efficiently.
Efficiency is the most important rule of espionage next to anonymity and many of the old techniques are just inefficient.
OP here. It was just a black cock van. They're fucking me now
I am from a european country and the police still use vans for surveillance, especially the drug agency. However they are not black vans, they are generically branded ones that look like service vehicles.
OP here, still alive. Didn't have the balls to look right up against the glass in the van but that tint is as dark as dark and can't see in from the outside. Car isn't running.. but sound of a fan or something coming from it.
Open the vans back door if you can, with video. Or at least try it, kek.
You open the van, mfw
>4 guys turn around supprised as fuck with cameras and head gear on
>camera is on tri pod pointing your house
> can you close the door please, sir.
Ask them if they'd like something to eat or drink. Offer them coffee
OP you need to do something hold. Invite your black bull friends over and let them fuck you in the van
Service vehicles and a man with a clipboard are the best ruses. Nobody suspects the guy in the hardhat and reflector vest or the "security guard".
People don't realize how easy it is to give the illusion of credibility.
How close did you get to the van?
Uk. Phone the dvla and say a car is blocking your drive and u can't get your car passed 'quote reg from one of the cars' they will then tell u the location / address so u can ask the owner to make be the car
Any anons know whether the front window looks bullet proof or not?
Looks normal to me compared to this pic of a bullet proofed merc...
i was at a protest for the basque country once before when the Spanish ambassador was in my town, and a van was monitoring us just like that one.
Hello OP, It has come to our attention that the internet is down in the local area. Do you mind if we come in and take a look?
get a cell phone with a thermal camera, so you can see if there is someone in car
I organized the copwatch program in my city, and when cops were acting like private security guards for McDonalds, hanging around outside and harassing kids away who just wanted to hang out on the sidewalk on public property, I managed to drive them away by standing next to them with a sign which said POLICE OPPRESSION with an arrow pointing at them. Nothing I was doing was illegal, and everyone who walked by snickered at them. Eventually they got so angry they ended up calling their supervisor and leaving. The boss oinker showed up gave me shit, but nothing I did was against the law and he eventually left too.
My advice is, make a big cardboard sign which says POLICE SURVEILLANCE with an arrow on it, then stand next to the van.
Bad for residential good for commercial. Ring up the local security agency and tell them to give you a uniform. Spooks do it all the time. Allows you to monitor a target without arising suspicion. As well you can usually directly approach them for questions without fear of being compromised.
Your clipboard, reflector vest, business casual and a tool belt will get you inside most homes for easy scouting. The easiest ruse is saying you're from the gas company to do a routine check for pipe leakage. Make something up about the systems detecting a possible leak. Check their meter take a few notes and get really good first had information about their home.
Most people don't think twice and let you in. You can even type up a fake "report" page and have them sign it. This also gives you access to their signature and finger prints.
Techniques like this are really common among home invaders to get a layout of the home. Spooks use it too.
That's understandable. For an intelligence agency behind the times in a country behind the times this is a very good way to gather intelligence. It has its problems just like any other method of surveillance but you can pack a lot of equipment into a cargo van.
The biggest problem is keeping perimeter under control. It can really set off people's inner paranoia when you can't go near a car on the street. There's protocols to reduce this effect quite nicely however.
I am not sure there's even any equipment for intelligence gathering in the vans, if they get a tip on you and they decide you must go down they will simply stalk you in hopes that they catch you on the act, at least that's how they deal with the druggies since they know it won't be long until you feel compelled to make your move.
Yeah, because everyone's had the gas company pop by to have a look around.
I'm all for trolling them, but AFTER you've cleaned up any evidence. Fate is presenting you with a rare opportunity to save yourself.
I work at a government agency (NOT in USA) but still the databases are atomic joined updated or for a non IT guy the term "interconnected" would make more sense
It looks something like this, every person in the world has an unique ID that looks exactly like this (actually this is a real ID from a real person)
Under legal requirement and signed authorized access we can make one query in a remote gateway that inner joins with thousand databases of UN (your local bureaucracy office info, IDs, fingerprints, where you live, banks info, etc) + surveillance (ISPs, Google, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Skype, etc) + mobile carriers + deployed "malware" in massive hardware + "deployed "malware" in main closed source OSs (windows, android, OS X, iOS) + some "malware" and "crypto weakness" in server/desktop software like Debian (this include sub types like ubuntu), freebsd, etc) + etc...
This is how the console looks likes...
Type '\c' to clear the current input statement. All sessions activities are monitored and logged.
sql> SELECT (regulated info required sometimes required by a judge) INTO OUTFILE suspect.file FROM (global databases repositories);
then in "suspect.file" is everything you ever did online, every mail, every message, every picture, every video, etc... all that is dumped into an special super computer server who runs a special software with uses a very complex "regexs" syntax and is able to find whatever is looked for in just milliseconds.
TL;DR there is (almost) no need for black vans surveillance anymore, they know everything about you already. However there are some very special high profile cases where is necessary but thats less than 1%.
Son i've smoked weed for almost 20 years, it makes you paranoid as fuck. If you haven't smoked for a while and you smoke the good shit like they have here, you'll be geeking the fuck out thinking you're dying and that it was laced with pcp.
Everybody, including it being the exact same model police use for their marked vehicles. And every good government agency knows that using the same models means easier management of spare parts.
if theres a van then it must have something to do with the house, no?
Also do you guys ever look at random people to maybe find something? Like conversations? Or any other social media message logs? Maybe conversations?
Go to the van, put on a post it note on the windshield that says "You can't park here" then wait and observe the van untill someone gets out or goes in. Also you can knock on the van and tell them that.
Alright, I'm a law enforcement fanatic. OP, you are without a doubt being monitored. The antenna on top of that van is utilized by most all law enforcements. Without it they wouldn't get proper radio functions. The side window is also a pretty dead give away. That would be utilized the same way as say, a gun port.
I would recommend stop doing illegal shit and turn yourself in.
There is no prize for turning yourself in. Never admit to shit, even if they've got you dead to rights. Don't even admit your own name unless your legal counsel says you have to.
>It will fuck with their equipment
Kids magnets barley stick to the fucking fridge. But here we are using them for destruction. I think you need to stop watching all those movies little faggy boy.
from what I know, at least in my country they never ever waste precious resources or time in the "average joe"
there is a whole bureaucratic process involved in every query they make in that "gateway" and there is a lot of tax payer money involved too in every investigation, they use it only on high profile cases when is really needed for getting evidence and under a federal judge order
with that being said (at least outside USA) if you did some minor illegal stuff like buying drugs in the darknet, or talking bullshit with your friends over skype/facebook/whatever, or some small time illegal activity, no serious intelligence agency would give a shit, thats a low profile task for a local police
Anything that's going to make them bring a van is going to require them to park it pretty damned close. From the looks of those hedges, that might be the only place to get line of sight on OP's house.
well even if he created a webservice for distributing drugs or illegal pornography at least in my country he would get caught only under a local police investigation, since those crimes are not even nearly close to a "high profile" case for an intelligence agency
but in USA it might be, I don't really know.
you guys don't have to believe me, just read what Edward Snowden wrote, every electronic activity you do is stored forever and nowadays is impossible to stay away from technology. There is a profile on everyone, but don't get paranoid just live your life knowing the big brother is always STORING everything you do, but most probably would never ever WATCH it.
Alright, but still doesnt mean that Im lieing through my fucking teeth to anyone.
I have smoked, i do smoke and continue to do so and probably always will.
I just dont have anything to be paranoid about, and the last stuff i got is called Amnesia Haze. Good stuff.
Why are people so stupid ? Just walk to the car, knock and ask them what reason they have to monitor you, tell them to stop watching hollywood movies and act like monkeys. Call your lawyer and tell them to btfo.
Backdoor in AES, no. But in a specific implementation, maybe. Use layers of different encryptions, implemented in different programs, each with a different key. It's not that laggy.
here's what to do, use a cellphone and call the cops saying you've seen a van hanging around near your property
here's the clincher, tell them that your worried as theirs young girls playing outside and that the person might be a pedo =them coming out to the van
government orgs never talk to each other if they are surveiling someone, so just see what happens
if your a pedo your going to jail
The only way to know for sure is if you have no idea. Only then can you know your in trouble. And remember, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you!
Just open your window and scream Aloha Snackbar. Either nothing will happen or the surveillance team will realise you're muslim and they will be too scared to do anything to you being afraid they may be called racist. And muslims ofc have pass on cp so you're clear there too senpai