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/b/ whats wrong with Bernie? He seems like a good candidate considering the other options.
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>>680220825
Fiscally liberal.
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He's a fuckin hottie. Idk why people hate him
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He's a cuck and he always has his fucking mouth half open like a slack jawed faggot in 2/3 of the pics I see of him taken
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>>680220825
He has garbage in his teeth
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>>680220825
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>>680220825
>Jew
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>>680221376
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>>680220825

He's my first choice

Probably gonna have to vote for my second choice.
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>>680221313
>Freedom
>Build a wall
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>>680221313
>Build a wall
>Freedom

Kek
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>>680220825
I like sanders policys, but when he says shit like
>if your white you havent experienced poverty
Or
>im gonna close the wage gap
It makes me want trump. I dont like any of his policys but i want a guy who has a fucking backbone. Im a liberal, but i fucking hate my own people. Bill mahre and a few others are the only non cuck liverals and it disgusts me
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>>680221428
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>>680221114
Bernie is a total fucking pussy who can't even face down some hecklers. He is not fit to be commander in chief of the most powerful military in the world and face down people like Putin on the world stage.

Neither are Clinton, Trump, or Cruz. All 4 of the main candidates are shit.
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>>680221794
forgot pic
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>>680221706
Ahahahaha
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>implying Bernie/Trump/Hillary are really a solution to any problem
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He's a worthless fucking socialist liberal.
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>>680221963
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>>680222155
go die in a fucking hole you piece of shit
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Bernie is the answer! Trump is basically Hitler! Oh wait...
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>>680222222
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>>680220825
>>680221794

Not a single fucking person in the world likes any of them. The fact that Bernie looks like he'd drop dead in office doesn't help.
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>>680221724
>>680221706
>>680221521
>>680221858
>>680220825
>>680221003
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6BbzFUeVSE

These are your comrades.
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>>680221848
this video shows everything. Bernie can't even stand up against two black women who basically scare him off the mic
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>>680220825
>A good candidate
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>>680220825
Well he can't win New York and beat Hillary in the primaries, so I guess that's what's wrong with him.
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Cyanide capsule, 12 ga shotgun, or noose. Shotgun seems like a "good candidate considering the other options", but they all lead to death. Catch my drift? later /b/ro
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>>680222521
wat source do you have that he's 64k in credit card debt? I am genuinely curious and hope it's true.
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>>680222521
/thread
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>>680222619
I like your analogy
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>>680220825
Hes too far on the income inequality shit for me. Its like thats the only thing he cares about. yes, its a problem but not even our biggest problem. And while i believe he has integreity and only noble intentions, his solutions are misguided ....not only are they not politically possible but even if they were miraculously enacted, they would probably hurt the people he's trying to help in many cases. Prime example is $15 min wage. That'll just vanish a shit ton of jobs that people actually need. Why not instead just increase tax credits for working families? And he is so antibusiness, its a bit dangerous. As much as everyone wants to paint business interests and big corporations as the 'Bad guys', these institutions make the economy go round - they literally are our meal ticket. We start punsihing them, we shoot ourselves in te foot ib te process. So fuck Bernie. I am holding my nose and voting for Hilary or whoever else goes up against Trump
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>>680222218
>implying america isn't beyond saving anyways
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>>680222311
dont be a fucking idiot.

Hitler labelled his regime socialist in exactly the same way the soviets labelled their system socialism. They have fuck all to do with socialism; the core tenant of socialism is tthat the workers should own the means of production. thats it.

Hitler much like stalin realised that socialism had a nice ring to it and he could get more people on his side if that's what he claimed to be doing.

Please do read about this stuff, there's a lot of books. Don't spread your stupidity around.
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>>680220825
No he isn't, he's just as bad as the others. He does the exact same political maneuvering as the other candidates, yet somehow his followers call him the honest one because they refuse to recognize this. He creates a boogeyman out of Wall Street that he feeds to his financially illiterate followers, just like what Trump does with mexicans. Not to mention that there is no way he will get the nomination.
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>>680222988
>implying america isn't the last bastion of freedom
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>>680222988
It isn't, we just have to stop being pussies who are afraid to stand up for what is right. The media actively tries to make us apathetic and not give a fuck and think everything is out of our control.

The exact opposite is what is actually true. A government should fear its people.
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>>680223156
nah i disagree he's a much better choice than the other candidates.

what political manouvering are we talking about here can we get specifics to discuss?
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>>680222972
Nigga... 1.3 TRILLION dollars are evaded by AMERICAN corporations. That's money which SHOULD be in the american economy, but isn't. And USA has suffered tremendously for it.

Bernie Sanders has literally spent his whole life trying to address this issue, because it's THE issue underlying most - if not all - american national problems. Corporate greed is ruining the entire world, ans Sanders genuinely wants to do something about it.
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>>680221226
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Bernie is the one that will get blocked the most by the senate. With four hazards, pick the one that can do the least damage...
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>>680221724
It is if you already live in the US, retard.
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>>680222788
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2015/06/11/sanders-reports-credit-card-debt/71088390/
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>>680221785
>if your white you havent experienced poverty

That's actually just a poorly worded comment that's been seized on. He should have said most whites, and his point made sense. He's spent decades working with and on behalf of poor whites and talking about poverty in white areas and to white audiences. It makes no sense that to believe he actually thinks or means no whites experience poverty.

>im gonna close the wage gap

Now here I agree. He buys into some of the feminist slogans too much. I cringe too when i hear him mention the "79 cents on the dollar" nonsense.
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>>680222521
Hes paying off his daughter and nieces wedding. He put the expenses on a credit card? It doesnt mean he doesnt have money. He is just paying it off like a normal person.
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>>680223445
Not him but agree its a problem. Bernies taxes are to high even for someone who makes 30,000 a year. Go check out the tax calculator for the candidates. I refuse to believe that people who have jobs would support him.
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>>680220825
He doesn't look like this
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>>680223445
I dont jnow what that number is...is that the amount overseas, waiting to be repatrioted under a better tax structure? If so, Bernie aint goibg to fix that- that money is largely going to stay abroad until we change our dumb itsx policy on this issue. It it werent taxed so much when coming home (after the companies already paid their taxes in the country where they actually did their business), the money would already be back in the USA.
Ps i am a liveral and I think this is incredibly stupid tax policy and know it wont be solved by punitive measures, it will only be solved by easing these double taxes
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He won't shut up about about funding the education pyramid scheme instead of talking about how to tear it down and redesign it, he's lost all respect with the constant aiming-for-idiots rhetoric

Other than that, socialism is the most cost effective and best society possible, only low information drones disagree
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I have no doubt he's a good person and means well. Would gladly have him as a neighbour or friend Eve. But he's a socialist. Which is fine but that doesn't align with my beliefs.
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>>680220977
Largely this. Also, in addition, he is quite old and unlikely to survive a term as president, which ages the fuck out of people.
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>>680223775
Hahahaha you bought that bullshit?
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>>680223236
I completely agree with you it is much needed that people stand up against the lobbyism and the Wallstreet but realistically speaking it won't happen because half of the people are way too concerned about Femfachism and other stupid shit while the other half is completely apathetic. So sadly I think america is actually beyond saving because no one will do jackshit about anything. But don't try to touch gun laws! Suddenly everyone is an activist and cares about politics..
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>>680220825
ITT: americans proving how vulnerable they are to propoganda whilst displaying an amusing level of economic ignorance
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>>680220825
He has the dankest mixtape on Itunes right now, he's got my vote!
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>>680222788
All members of congress are required to report their personal finances once a year.
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>>680220825
Well the only negative thing I have heard about him is CUCKCUCKCUCKCUCKCUCK. So that's why.
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>>680220825
youre all hilariously uninformed and im better than all of you.

England ftw
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>>680224175
>socialism is the best society possible

Actually it inevitably leads to communism, and is simply a method of giving even more money and power to the people at the top while leaving the majority of the population with the bare minimum they need to survive.
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>>680223967
>>680224077
His tax policies are aimed at people who make more than 200k a year. "Everyone" gets taxed more, but by comparison if you don't make more than 200k a year, you aren't gonna feel like you're getting heavily taxed.

He wants to end loopholes where tax evasion can't occur like that. Off shore tax havens are great for rich assholes to make a shit load of money, but bad for a nation that needs that money in the economy (where it would be if not for tax evasion).

And raising minimum wage is absolutely necessary everywhere. He wants that too
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>>680224175
I hope he doesn't sincerely believe that giving more money to the worthless frauds of american education will improve anything.
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>>680224390
hey man, i feel you.

We have the internet now though, so there's a slim chance that you could save your country if enough people try to correctl inform the apathetic portion of your nation?

its ur only hope
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>>680224587
Your funny, we'll bring you freedom last.
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>>680225010
Mercenaries that switch to ISIS and aerial bombs = freedom?
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>>680224675
Yeah but that trillion dollar figure is a bogus number. Thats just money that businesses have earned overseas but instead of bringing it back home and paying rediculous taxes on it, they just keep it in a bank account over seas and invest it. Its not illegal or unethical in any way. Presenting it as such is simply a way for people like Bernie to get average folks up riled up with about huge dollar signs and 'evil corporations'.
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>>680225329
You're a fucking idiot if you think it's not having a negative impact on USA as a whole.
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>>680224929
Actually I'm not american, I've been living there for a few years though so I know how bad it can actually be over there. But still I don't see much hope of people getting their ass up, they all seem so concerned about so stupid shit while not giving a shit about how bad the economic crisis has hit them. I still hope they do though some people over there aren't that worse and it has some really beautiful cities and national parks.
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This thread actually makes me sick /b/ please go spend some healthy time on /pol/ and get redpilled quick.
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>>680225319
Freedom has many forms.
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>>680225609
Yeah but unfortunately we have a lot of people like this guy >>680225329 which makes progress very difficult. #ignorance
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>>680225746
I think the FBI is the best chance at defeating Clinton.
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>>680225746
>tfw its habbening

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUYU8tdTMRw
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>>680225912
This. She's been setting herself up for failure ever time she's ever lied, or changed her policies when money comes at her - and that, historically, has happened over 2 dozen times. Hillary Rodham Clinton is a fucking two face sellout cunt
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>>680220825

Worst aspects to best aspects:

His domestic/economic policies are literally evil

His international policies are at best, woefully ignorant, and at worst, dangerously impotent (if #BLM morons can shove him around, how will he find the stones to stand up to, e.g., Putin?)

In his personal life, he is as good or better a human being than anyone else running for the same office.

tl;dr I wouldn't vote for him if he were the only one on the ballot
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>>680222227
Off by one
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>>680225746
This isn't /b/, these are Reddit fags
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He's a goddam communist you fucking moron! And a jew to boot
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>>680225870
yeah that's true. I think I will never understand how people think that it is good that companies actively avoid paying taxes. I will never understand how people can work this hard against themselves.. When you look way back to Roosevelt when they still had like 90% taxes for riches (if I remember correctly it were around 90%) when the rich were still rich and the state had money to pay much needed education programs, reforms, etc. Germany today is pretty much what Roosevelt wanted America to be.
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Bernie Sanders is a cuck
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>>680221226
Bernie sucks because of people like you.
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>>680225548
It is having a negative impact but that is mostly because the US (a coubtry that provides far less entitlements than most of the other advanced economies) has the HIGHEST tax rate in the world for repatriating money earned overseas. If i were running GE or Apple, the companies that have hundred of billions of dollars overseas, I would be doing the same shit and so would you if you are not an idiot. Its not the 'evil corporations', at least in this case, its simply bad tax policy. And more taxes on overseas corporate profits are not going to fix this one.

>>680225870
Fuck off faggot. I am liberal just not a financial/economic retard. Its not as simple as corporations are bad and more taxes are good. I agree we need a more progressive tax code, moderately higher minimum wage, get rid of super PACs etc etc, but Bernie is simply misguided with some of his shit, this overseas tax problem being a good example.
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socialist sjw
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The biggest thing wrong with Bernie Sanders, is he's not Donal Trump.
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>>680221963
sad to say this is the truth. we heard it all in 2008/2016 but what really happened?
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>>680222227
its people like you that make Bernie suck.
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>>680223445
>are evaded by AMERICAN corporations
>through legal loopholes
>which no president is going to solve
k
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>>680222619
I catch that you're some kind of spineless douche bag if that what your "drift" is.
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>>680220825
he literally just said that a company turning a profit is bad
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>>680224675
>His tax policies are aimed at people who make more than 200k a year
>people avoid taxes
better raise taxes that'll do a lot of good
>He wants to end loopholes
not going to happen
>And raising minimum wage is absolutely necessary everywhere
lol
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He's willing to screw over white people so niggers get a free ride.
His whole agenda surrounds reparations and nothing to help out white people.
He thinks free education will stop niggers from killing white people.
He thinks black people are wrongfully imprisoned but not whites.

Fuck this cuck!
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>>680227093
>we heard it all in 2008/2016 but what really happened?
Sorry but what exactly do you mean with that? Maybe I am too tired to understand but I don't get what you are trying to say?
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>>680223445
you're the kind of nigger that makes Bernie a bad choice for president.
if he spent his whole life as you claim then he is worthless 'cause the problem is still here.
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>>680226813
A lot of people don't even know what ego is, so it can't be helped. Well it CAN be helped if people would educate themselves, but that takes genuine self control. America isn't about that life unfortunately. People are so fucking stupid it hurts to think about
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>>680224587
>posting on an American board
>about American politics

The last think I heard that was even remotely close to your politics was about an inbred baby being born
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>>680223603
you need to leave. "poorly worded". how's white suburbia?
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>>680226813
>when they still had like 90% taxes for riches
you're dumb.
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>>680227558
Heard! How dare he offer free education and healthcare to blacks only!
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>>680227697
Riiiiight because one person telling everyone else about a problem going on, a problem which involves countless people making it happen, and not solving it all by himself means he's incompetent. You're ignorant as fuck m8 and ignorance is the reason the problem is still here.
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>>680222521
damn he was p cute
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>>680223967
I agree with you. I can't afford another $4000.00 pay cut. that's all it really is.
A FUCKING PAY CUT.
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Hes a successful troll
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>>680227933
If you can't afford comunity college then you're a worthless degenerate.
If you couldn't earn a scholarship to pay for college then you're a worthless degenerate.
Free college already exists you free-loader, just have to earn it either by serving your country or being smart enough.
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>>680224675
its not a tax dip shit. IT'S A FUCKING PAY CUT.
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Everybody's using the term cuck sarcastically right?
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>>680227589
stupid would be a proper wording.
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>>680228175
You and your dumb ignorant mind should really fuck off. People like you make any country worse.
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>>680227900
No you are you fucktard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States
>1944 top tax rate 94%
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>>680227939
sure kid.
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>>680228566
Actually you're the one that can fuck off, canada's economy is already crashing and has to leach off America.
They're very liberal, you can always just go there.
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>>680228499
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>>680228596
you're very dumb.
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>>680224673
actually when you don't centralize benefit programs, and incentivize them at the corporate tax level, everyone wins beside the poor CEOs

I see the confusion that controlled soviet-style economy is inevitable, when it's actually the polar opposite of the socialist goal, which is to maximizing the standard of living
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>>680228073
well the idea is that while you pay more in taxes, you pay less in insurance premiums since there is now free health care. My health care premiums currently exceed 4k a year.
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>>680220825
Anti gun.
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>>680228566
>ignorant mind
>>>/tumblr/
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>>680222337
Found the Jew
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>>680228787
You're right where you should be on the internet, guy.
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>>680227704
there is another big problem with america. Their education system.
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>>680228770
>I see the confusion that controlled soviet-style economy is inevitable, when it's actually the polar opposite of the socialist goal
All socialist economies are controlled by the government you retard.
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>>680228886
but you aren't, and that's the problem
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>>680228736
refer to >>680228713
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>>680226185
nigger can u even count
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http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/19/bernie-sanders-once-kicked-out-of-a-hippie-commune-for-not-working/

He even tried to live on a communist commune and was kicked out for being a lazy, entitled fuck.
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>>680228945
we're the government anon

we aren't now, but we all should be, and will
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>>680220825
He's a liberal-feminist cuckold old bitch who will probably have a heartattack in office.
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>>680229009
refer to
>>680228736
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>>680229142
lol
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>>680228908
America is very materialistic and shallow. American values revolve around money as top priority, because money is everything to people here.

I agree that education is the biggest problem though. Quality needs drastically improved. But there are always going to be dumb ignorant people who ignore and deny facts unfortunately
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>>680229216
refer to http://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/7-easiest-painless-ways-of-killing-yourselves-quickest-360388/
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>>680224307
All of the other candidates are within 4 years dumbass
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>>680224307
Hilarys older
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>>680229490
There will always be people denying the most basic shit but at least with proper education it wouldn't be socially accepted to be a dumb ignorant cunt..
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>>680228992
Did I interrupt your secret elite club vibe? Cry about it
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>>680229246
bbut the government isn't me, that's ridiculous

it should be just the guys with the most guns, like a real democracy
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>>680225746
These other fucking Republicans need to drop out, they're fucking up the race
Nobody can debate because it's just petty insults back and forth
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>>680229733
yes, no need to get upset when you get called out on being cancer. just stay in this containment board
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>>680229490
>There will
As long as we have morons like Mike Huckabee in politics denying Darwin's theory of evolution, we won't be getting anywhere far in terms of education.
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>>680229490
The failed education system is a win for TPB.

It's a good thing we can learn everything we need to know on the internet now.
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>>680229490
>American values revolve around money as top priority, because money is everything to people here.
money is everything to people everywhere
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>>680229673
That still leaves the people who are traditionally dumb and ignorant though. The people who teach their children to be basically retarded.

Ignorant values can be passed on just as well as civilized values. Civility is hardly a priority for a lot of people posting in this thread for example. Humans fucking suck sometimes
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>>680229807
Didn't you know cruz is the chosen one?
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>>680223396
His "Wall Street is hurting you/responsible for the 2008 financial crisis" bullshit. Anyone who knows anything about the financial services industry knows this isn't true. He does with Wall Street what Trump does with mexicans.
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>>680229864
I didn't say "cry about in the thread". But keep going if you insist.
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>>680228908
which is already government run
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>>680229991
>my entire life revolves around a pretend game enforced by a few thousand guys with guns

>lets change this?

>FUCK YOU, I ALREADY SPENT A LOT OF MY LIFE GETTING MY PAPER

world politics in a nutshell
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>>680222218
>using Aristotle as a source
>a shitty philosopher who was right about 0.00% of his ideas
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>>680229955
Ignorance is bliss then awareness is suffering. I guess that's why people choose to stay ignorant. Pussies
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>>680230324
kill yourself commie retard
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>>680230074
yeah and that may be the worst problem of them all. You can't change people and the ignorant american cunts that teach their children to hate and be ignorant will never die off, no matter what would happen. But it can only get worse if they go on as always and don't do shit about anything..
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>>680228566
>dumb
>ignorant
Your insults are redundant, Tumblr. Let me help you back to your board >>>/LGBT/
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>>680230436
>>>/reddit/
>>>/tumblr/
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>>680230538
>>>http://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/7-easiest-painless-ways-of-killing-yourselves-quickest-360388/
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>>680230436
Im passionate about wanting that shit gone for good, I just wish I were aware of more resources to use to help.

Self control is the solution, but it's no good if people aren't educated about it
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>>680220825
Honestly, he is the best chance you got, USA.
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>>680223060
marx and engels were wrong. accept it.
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>>680230412
Not him but he's right. Get your head out of your ass and try not ignoring reality outside of your bubble
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>>680230619
>>>/reddit/
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>>680230730
nah.
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>>680230772
of course they're wrong now, it's a different world, they don't go far enough
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>>680230853
>try not ignoring reality
top fucking kek. the ironing.
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>>680230974
The funny part is that you can't prove him wrong.
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>>680230698
I don't think we'll ever get rid of it completely. Some people won't change no matter what and sadly we'll have to accept it. All we can do is to give them the means of escaping their ignorance but the rest is beyond what we can control.
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>>680227328
>the front of that fan is laying on the floor

that's horribly unsafe

niggers...
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>>680220825
Spineless joke candidate that social media incessantly shills for without researching his economic policies that would drive away all big businesses and would seriously bring about another Great Depression.

Our friends in the Middle East would laugh at this submissive man that our more foolish young citizens try to call a "leader". He rides on this wave of Robin Hood horseshit of taking from the sinister rich and giving to the helpless poor. It's ideological nonsense that college kids buy into very easily, this isn't the first time this has happened. Yes, the wealth inequality is significantly larger than it should be, but that's mostly due to a few big bad corporations that dodge taxes and freeze money. Most rich people pay an assload in taxes but still get crucified (which is why they are leaving).

It's a good thing the social media following is either too young or too stupid to vote, and thank god Clinton has that shit rigged anyways. I can't wait to watch Trump demolish her.
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http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/21463-debunking-the-myth-of-socialist-success-in-scandinavia

http://www.headlinepolitics.com/denmark-tells-bernie-sanders-stop-lying-country/

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/bernie-sanders-s-financial-transaction-tax-won-t-raise-much-revenue-he-thinks

http://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-explains-why-a-european-financial-transaction-tax-wont-work-2011-9

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/w/wage-push-inflation.asp

BERNIE "JUST FUCK MY ECONOMY UP" SANDERS
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>>680231139
prove what wrong? that the earth should be a utopia where no one cares about money?
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Fuck Burnie.
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>>680231234
People who are adamant about staying retarded can do that, but the rest of the world shouldn't have to suffer because of it. I wont preach or rant because we're on the same page here.

I wish more people weren't so fucking tunnel visioned on the social aspect of life. To much focus on what people think, how they will react, what they will say etc. is what leads to being shallow minded. No depth. No critical thinking outside of trivialities. It's disgusting.

Thankfully not everyone is like that!
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>>680231356
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZHwUKdiR7I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJR0DYs70f8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9mrzgYT5Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fuk1Oih8ZME

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lwN5uP0LzI

BERNIE "PREP THE BULL" SANDERS
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>>680221185
>won't vote for someone because of questionable dental hygiene
Not shallow at all. Enjoy Trumps gold plated poopie, since your taste is so shit already.
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>>680231803
>votes for someone 'cuz he wants free shit
not shallow at all.
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>>680221521
I respect this image. Trump V Sanders. The greatest political event of the century.
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>>680231428
It would be closer to something like a utopia if it weren't for assholes like you.

>kill yourself

Being edgy stopped being cool as soon as puberty ended. Has that not happened for you? You are a terrible example of a human being from what is evident
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>>680231491
I like how Bernie's leg somehow breaks the chain. It's a nice touch.
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>>680231670
>racial IQ score causation posted

everyone abandon this thread, leave before your brain cells die from this awesome piece of factual, statistical evidence
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>>680231926
>Being edgy stopped being cool as soon as puberty ended. Has that not happened for you? You are a terrible example of a human being from what is evident
>asshurt redditor
back to phonebanking for bernie, cuck. he's gonna need it after losing NY
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>>680232061
> nigger detected
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>>680232061
>it doesn't count because it hurts my feelings
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>>680231894
Nice meme you got there. But he's never said anything about free shit other than healthcare, which is a no brainer. Sanders has only ever said a-f-f-o-r-d-a-b-l-e education.
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>>680222517
He wasn't scared off. He recognized that they were with Black Lives Matter and they were clearly mistaken of who he actually was. So he stepped back to allow them their time, so they could get some of their ignorant rage out. It was the mature thing to do. You don't try to reason with people that are unstable. You keep your distance.

They were just mad to be mad, basically.. and the BLM movement openly chastised them for doing this.
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>>680232249
education is already affordable due to loans
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>>680223218
I'd like them to meet my cousin Molotov.
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>>680232061
is this you?
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>>680232220
>correlation implies causation

thanks for lowering my 'IQ', read statistics 101 before posting
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>>680231655
I feel you. I hate that the rest of society has to suffer because of some literally retarded pieces of shit that are proud of being so shallow minded.. But I don't think there really is a solution to it other than killing them or maybe isolating them but neither of them seems to be a realistic solution.. It's a situation where we can only lose I guess. But I totally get your point I know exactly what you mean..
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>>680232355
>AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHA
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CNN exit polling has Hillary by 4%, any margin of victory higher than 10% would effectively deny Sanders any chance at the nomination.

AP has about 10% of counties reporting as we speak.
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>>680232355
Taking out a loan to pay for education doesn't mean there is a happy ending. A lot of people end up not being able to get a job they go through education to land at. Then they're stuck with a bunch of debt. Do you see the fucking problem?

Nobody should NEED a debt inducing loan to pay for their own higher education
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>>680232470
>white consistently score the same
>asians consistently score the same
>blacks consistently score the same
>this includes SAT scores as well
>poor whites score higher than rich blacks on average
m-muh causation
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>>680220825
I'm pretty sure OP knows exactly what's wrong with Bernie.
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>>680231925
Except, there's no way Sanders will make it to the election.
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>>680232470
So what is your best explanation for why when controlling for economic status and even what race the parents were, Asians consistently average higher scores (SAT, IQ, GPA, etc. ) than whites and both whites and Asians average far higher scores than blacks?
Why would humans have evolved so much difference, but their brain remained exactly the same over about 80k years?
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>>680232495
I think if intellectuals and educators push harder than ignorant people do, then ignorance will diminish over time and be replaced with factual awareness.
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>>680232825
Then don't major in gender studies or art, easy fix. You know who doesn't have problems paying down their student loans? STEM majors.
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>>680232825
>Nobody should NEED a debt inducing loan to pay for their own higher education
Says fucking who? You want something, you pay for it. Take a shitty degree or spend 8 years in college and rack up debt - that's your fault.
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>>680232908
gee, I wonder if it has something to do with Asian culture being all HONOR YOUR FAMILY, FAILURE IS NOT OPTION

Nah, probably not, they just all got a really weird genetic mutation recently for increased test-taking aptitude, that's more logical
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>>680226836
>cruz control meme
>MUST BE A SANDERS SUPPORTER
And politics in general sucks because of projecting butt blisters like you.
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>>680229496
refer to google search images of you being less of a faggot
>no results found
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>>680231894
>taxes are free XD
Nice meme!
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>>680233245
>HONOR YOUR FAMILY, FAILURE IS NOT OPTION
>implying this is true for most western asians
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>>680220825
>whats wrong with Bernie?
I've been asking that for months.
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>>680233504
>45% of people don't pay taxes
you're right, the middle and upper class will pay for jamal's urban studies degree and mary's art degree
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>>680233420
wow look at that! It only took you 30 minutes to come up with that one! Your parents must be really proud of you.
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Because nobody remembers Camacho's opponent.
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>>680233097
>don't do what you love
>do what you don't want to do, but what other people tell you you should do

Art is more important than you might want to admit. Music alone is a great example.

But that's not my point. Even if you go for an attractive-to-employers degree, it doesn't guarantee SHIT.

You really need to consider more than what you feel entitled to, here, to understand the big picture. Paying tens of thousands of dollars for a piece of paper (the point of which is JUST to secure you a way to make that money back, and then make a living) with no guarantee that anything will come of it is fucking retarded. It's a risk nobody needs to take, but it's one that everyone is pressured to go for.
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>>680232355
>loans
>affordable
HAHAHAHA Holy fuck! You can't make this shit up! Talks shit about "Free" and is saying we should just borrow money from rich people with exorbitant interest rates! 1%er is that you?? I thought you were a myth, fam!
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>>680233673
>anyone who responds to me is the same person
newfag.
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>>680233087
I hope you're right. Anyways it was really fun talking to you but I'll go now. I wish you only the best and that ignorance will finally die someday.
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>>680233097
I guess a degree in thermonuclear physics is a "shitty degree" then. lol go fuck yourself you ignorant fool
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>>680233721
>loans
>not affordable
archaeology major spotted
> exorbitant interest rates
>what are secure vs unsecure loans
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>>680233791
>being this new
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>>680233993
>being this new
fresh off the boat from reddit i see
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>>680233097
>implying everyone that's ever gotten a degree is a liberal cuckfag with no sense of realism
>implying the rules don't affect you as well
>implying everyone that's gone into debt for a degree has gotten a job
You are so sheltered, it's hilarious. I guess that's what happens when you have everything you need in your trailer park.
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Heard of Gary Johnson?
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>>680234115
this
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>>680222505
this is what i wana see
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>>680233152
>8 years
>shitty degree

The argument is liberals aren't getting meaningful degrees. If they're getting a degree that takes 8 years, that's a doctorate. That makes them a PhD, anon. That is not a shitty degree by far.

The argument is also that the amount of debt you'd surmount by pursuing such a degree is enormous. It would take decades of your life, even as a doctor, to be able to pay it off.

But still, conservatives are saying this initiative to better themselves is deserving of obscene cost.. and they deserve to be in debt for wanting to excel. You're scum, my man, and I hope you understand why. No one is expecting anything for free but it's idiots like you that make the entirety of the world look bad. Your ignorance is blinding and the worst bit is probably that you are willfully so.

No matter how many comprehensive graphs people give to people like you, they continue to vomit this nonsense time and time again. You, my man, are a toxic wound on this planet and should seriously consider suicide for the betterment of humanity as a whole.

Either that or get an education, but you know how that's going to turn out... After all, you deserve it. Right?
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>>680222311
>posted by a NEET who has no notion of performance or responsibility
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>>680232890
https://debunkingdenialism.com/tag/rushton-and-jensen/

http://pzacad.pitzer.edu/~hfairchi/pdf/ScientificRacism.pdf
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>>680233720
>Art is more important than you might want to admit. Music alone is a great example.

Maybe, that doesn't change the fact that going to college for it is a stupid idea. There is virtually no job market for these majors, my tax dollars (which would be significantly higher under Sanders, so there's another reason I don't want him) shouldn't subsidize this.

> But that's not my point. Even if you go for an attractive-to-employers degree, it doesn't guarantee SHIT.

Technically, no, but in practice it effectively does.

> You really need to consider more than what you feel entitled to, here, to understand the big picture.

I'm not entitled, I majored in mathematics and got a great job where I make bocudles of money. The little shit who insists on borrowing 150k to go to art school where he knows he has no job prospects, but feels as though he deserves it is entitled.

> It's a risk nobody needs to take, but it's one that everyone is pressured to go for.

If you want safe, go to trade school. Going to college may be a risk, but it can at least be informed. Majoring in gender studies is virtually guaranteeing failure, whereas you can maximize your chance of success by majoring in something in engineering. The only thing is that STEM majors are hard, so that scares a lot of people away.

>>680233933
Let me guess, you majored in physics? Apparently you're an idiot because you don't know how anecdotal evidence works (which might explain why you have no job, lol). Maybe you should talk to the business major who got hired over you and ask him to explain it to you. Physics majors are generally smart, but you must have gone to DeVrey.
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>>680222505
Everyone in that crowd is a degenerate who should be at work
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>>680234913
Best. Post.
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>>680233671
Who are those 45% that are skipping out on taxes? How much do they make in comparison to the big businesses that are also evading taxes? Have you considered that Sanders also plans on closing loop holes for businesses outsourcing work? This helps everyone (unless you make over 400,000 dollars annually) and you're too caught up on the imaginary argument that it's free.

Even if you DO make over 400,000 dollars annually, you still get affordable education and free healthcare. This means you won't have to spend a penny of that fortune you've worked so hard for because some asshole t-boned your BMW or some bully jock pushed you down the stairs.
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>>680235144
The sense of entitlement is strong with this one.
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>>680234115
>>680234609

Let me explain this for both of you idiots. No, I'm not implying that any given major guarantees you a job, I'm implying that if you major in something worthwhile you have a really good chance of getting a job. I'm not sheltered, I was just smart enough to major in something good.

>>680234913
The point is that the degree takes a normal person to earn in 4 years, but it took you (whoever the original poster was referring to) eight years.
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>implying archaeologists don't make disgusting amounts of money while also traveling the world
>implying you don't wish you were awesome like Indiana Jones
>implying wasted time
Tell me more about this thing they call "projecting", anon?
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>>680220825
Bernie got burnt tonight by the home of
Tammany Hall & Democunt Party durty trix
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>>680235558
You should stop acting like you know what's best for other people. You've got your bubble nice and shiny, just chill there and leave the real world to the people who genuinely care.

Take your ego and fuck off
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>>680235480
Either you don't know what entitlement is or you are heavily deluded. I paid for my degree with debt and paid it off after graduation. An entitled person would be the one asking that my taxes be raised to pay for every Tom, Dick, and Sally, that wants to go to art school even though they know they can never pay the debt back.
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>>680220825
He can't hold his bladder, or a stage.
Only racist idiots vote for him.
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>>680235480
>The sense of entitlement is strong with this one.

Tfw you don't know what entitlement is.
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>>680228566
>answers with no real rebuttal

Typical liberal faggot
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>>680235360
>Have you considered that Sanders also plans on closing loop holes
lol
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>>680235586
medium income is like 30k for archaeologist majors
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>>680235846
You're entitle-minded because you think higher of yourself than other people just because you made a successful risk. That's what douchebags do
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>>680235789
> You should stop acting like you know what's best for other people.

Mathematically I do. If you had the option to borrow 150k and in 4 years have a 95% probability of getting a job or a 40% probability of getting a job which one would you (or any logical person) choose? This ordinarily wouldn't concern me, but these entitled faggots asking the government to use my taxes to pay for this makes it my business. I worked hard, went to a top 20 school and now make mid six figures (of course with 80-90 hours/week), why should I have to pay >50% of my income to support this?
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>>680235061
where's the tldr version
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>>680235789
Seriously. This.

Not everyone that goes to college is getting a degree to get a job. Some people genuinely just want to learn. People shouldn't be handicapped and forced into debt because of this. The system is built around harming individuals that want to be better people, basically. How can you not see that >>680235558

Maybe you'd feel better if you didn't have the fear of crippling debt too. It might feel good knowing that the system has your back for once, instead of feeling like it's trying to get you. And then maybe you could go back to school to learn to do what you love, whatever that is. I certainly hope it's not shitposting, because that's all I've seen so far.
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>>680236130
>what is a joke
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>>680234913
I'm pretty sure you can get a doctorate's in women's studies. Which would be an even shittier degree than a bachelors in WS.
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>>680236498
>Some people genuinely just want to learn
Bahahahahahah
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>>680220825
Shue dun whish I dun be born nigger, so's I no needs to bees pour.
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>>680220825
He's a creepy old jew.
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>>680236183
That's not what entitled means you retard. I took the same risk, but worked harder (lets be honest, at most schools a double major with mathematics and chemical engineering is going to be much harder than art) and now work harder (I work 80-90 hours a week). You call me entitled because I want to keep my income (though, the bigger reason is that you don't know what that word means).
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>>680235866
I was upset about him saying this too and I was one of the people that called him out on it. It's racist.

He explained the next day during an interview that it was a generalization. While I still believe what he said was racist, I understand generalizations. I think people shouldn't get upset over them either. So what if people think you're a shit person because of your skin? Know what you can do? Be awesome and prove them wrong.
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>>680236567
i only read the first line
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>>680236915
Np. I wish I was Indiana Jones, too, honestly. Who fucking doesn't?
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Yeah it's sad but he's out best bet at making the world respect us again and ensuring some measure of peace.

In my opinion though, seriously. Anyone but Hillary.
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>>680236498
> Not everyone that goes to college is getting a degree to get a job

Then don't borrow $100-200k in federal guaranteed loans or demand that the government pay for your college. I'd rather not pay higher taxes so anyone can go to art school.
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>>680222972
Hey you STUPID FUCK, this is America! We are not slaves to the fucking dumb corporations. THEY make their fortunes here and then squander the wealth and uproot to foreign tax havens after making their fortune. Sanders wants to change ALL of that. He wants to hold their feet to the fire when they do shit like this! Wake up you fucking pleb!
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>>680236619
>doesn't want to learn anything
Bahahahahahah
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>>680220825
Comrade Sanders understands your lack of economic understanding. All he needs is 800% of the vote to succeed.
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>>680237086
>implying everyone that goes to college does that
>you don't want to live in a world with better art, music, or education so that you and future generations can enjoy them
Wow, nice. Glad you've got your priorities set out for numero uno, fam. How do your kids feel about that? Let me guess, "that's their problem"?
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>>680237097
>THEY make their fortunes here and then squander the wealth
this is what retards actually believe
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>>680236803
(Not the original anon)
You are entitled to your income because you actually put the work in to get it. There's a difference between this and "I'm black and underprivileged, gimme dat"
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>>680229612
Ted Cruz is only 45....

Also, women live much longer than men, and Bernie's 70 is the next person's 90 for some reason. He just doesn't act like he's healthy and vibrant.
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>>680237380
So, do the corporations hold guns to peoples' heads and demand they pay them?

Oh wait, that's the government.
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>>680237097
>thinks tax evasion is ethical, legal, and fair for everyone
Sup Pharma bro! Thought you only posted on reddit :^)
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>>680237685
>keeping your property is unethical

I'll be over tomorrow to tax your TV and wife.
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>>680237650
how is that relevant to my post
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>>680236911
Yes. Agreed comrade. We must only seek state approved news sources and not believe the democratic scum.
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