>inb4 tits or gtfo
I saw this today while sipping my morning coffee and really started looking into a lot of things she's done and said.
I'm very liberal and was a strong Hillary supporter because of who I am but I have to say I learned a lot over that cup of coffee and am now doubting whether I should vote based on who I am and how I feel as opposed to voting in someone who apparently will say anything to get elected and never seems to tell the truth.
If I vote for Hillary, am I actually voting for the latest pack of things that come out of her mouth that I happen to like, and if so does that make me a fool?
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool me over and over again, maybe I originate the problem, and am blind with an inherently flawed perspective as to what is important.
If honesty is not the first and foremost thing we should expect out of someone who represents us and "our" interests, what are we doing when we knowingly push for someone who never seems to tell the truth to begin with and we keep getting suckered by their latest words?
Seriously, I am rethinking all this and am very undecided now.
whatever you do, vote. if you dont vote, they count you anyways and THEY get to pick where your vote goes. worst comes to worst, vote bernie. id rather have us all broke from taxes than dead from war with russia and china.
To date, not one thing that she is being accused of has been actually proven.
1 / 10 for making me reply.
I don't understand what you mean by "if you don't vote, they count you anyways". I intend to vote. Otherwise I wouldn't be doing any research into all these things, and I am considering Bernie and he seems honest but I am kind of disturbed to hear reports that his camp doesn't deny that if he loses, he will be VP for Hillary. Seems the fix is in and to me that costs Bernie a lot of credibility and makes him the same as Hillary.
Vote for Hillary and everything stays the same for 4-8 years.
Ummm, no it is not.
Not everything is b8 anon.
Looking for some advice.
FYI, I used to think that because it wasn't "proven" (I guess that means in a court of law) that this means something, but when it comes to politics I am learning more and more that this is not a good argument because politicians tend to be immune, maneuver around, counter-attack, fight things in the media, plus those who could bring a suit and know what is going on typically don't because they are afraid of their own crap coming out in the light of day.
>actually IN a court of law, no less
>therefore I believe he didn't do it
>same invalid logic
FYI, there's more things in this world that can't be proven at all than can.
How much have you done anon that has never been exposed, let alone "proven"?
Therefore you didn't do it?
Come on now.
I think the argument is properly that she doesn't outright deny many of these things and I am talking about honesty and I think it's pretty clear she has been dishonest many times and quite brazenly. I would be having trouble justifying voting for anyone like this.
What the fuck....? Thats purely your own fault for not reading up on things.
Jesus christ Americans are so fucking retarded. Its like your whole continent is just not even trying anymore.
Despite your obvious self respect, you should respect the rules as well. Otherwise why even state that you are a femanon other than to seek attention for said statement. Also should you fail to post tits with timestamp you become a troll and completely ingenuine as there is no proof of you being an actual female. Thus tits or gtfo
Maybe if you made a substantive valid point on subject and treated me with a shred of respect, you might get a lil sumpin. I might be able to dig out a recent pic from last summer.
If you were actually "very liberal" you wouldn't even consider voting for Hillary. What is now considered liberal in the US these days isn't liberal at all- it's authoritarian.
2016 and not knowing this.
Just because someone is the first something doesn't mean they're the best anything. Just look at Obama.
>inb4 best president ever
Jobless numbers are skewed at best and the places doing well are doing well because of their state and local govts being red and not taxing the shit out of industry. Gas prices are low because the republican congress voted to slow the supply of Arab oil, import more from South America, and start using the stockpiles of domestic oil. Our debt is around 20 trillion and obamacare has increased ins costs to record numbers. But hey. He's the first black president so I'm a racist for stating truth.
All of these attacks on her are incredibly exaggerated. Hillary leans just as left as Bernie on social issues, is moderate on economic issues (preventing a welfare state like Bernie wants) and maybe a little warmongering on foreign policy but nowhere near republican levels. She has a strong voter base for a reason, people aren't blindly voting for her like Bernie, and they know these attacks are bullshit because they research. Hillary is the most electable, most experienced, and most consistent candidate running for prez right now.
And yes I am a woman, we make up half the country, and it's time we had our say.
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The problem is I don't think characterizing what she has done as "minor" is even close to being accurate.
Of all the candidates running, she is far and away the most dishonest.
Isn't honesty the threshold criterion prior to discussing anything else? If not, then you are knowingly voting for someone because of what they say they represent and will do, yet none of it is true.
I don't think anyone intelligent can get past the threshold issue of honesty in whatever candidate. There's boasting, fibs, little white lies, and then there's outright bold-faced unabashed whoppers. Hillary falls in the last category consistently, unlike any other politician perhaps in history. Doesn't that mean your vote for her is meaningless ultimately in terms of actually furthering your beliefs, ideal, and what you believe should be done?
Think about it rather than just spewing reflexively.
Alright here we go.
Hillary is a proven warmonger and her Clinton Foundation is involved in shady shit and moneystreams. She has always been in favour of using a radical approach to take out perceived enemies of America, be they economically or geopolitically threatening.
Hillary was one of the American architects of the support and propping up of the Libyan opposition and the killing of Gaddafi, rumored to have been done by CIA infiltrants in rebel groups.
Funny enough she now defends the approach to Libya, pretends like it all came out well (where the country is now divided in 4 or 5 parts and all the groups are practically fighting) and the whole country is a shitty mess with no social services, functional healthcare etc.
Now in Syria Hillary is again a proponent of toppling the current government. An example of one of her projects is the "Google Ideas" projects of stimulating opposition to governments that America doesnt like on social media, combined with mapping and exaggerating desertions of military personnel to make it seem like the whole Syrian government was falling apart (Google and Al Jazeera were in on the development and publishing of this project). Obama cancelled some of these projects because he doesnt want a legacy of being the person who, when it comes down to it, supports terrorists in the middle east. Obama is aiming for a more peaceful legacy.
If youd ask me, any option but Hillary is the one to vote for. Hillary will involve the Pentagon in more conflicts in the middle east and green light even more CIA projects (although the CIA practically does what it wants anyway at this point). Hillary is a warmonger, a liar and will cause more instability in the middle east in favour of the American allies: the Gulf states and Israel, in turn causing more refugee flows to the EU.
The reality leaves you these choices.
1. Vote for the most qualified candidate, and also show that you're not a sexist, by voting for Hilary Clinton.
2. Vote for the communist Bernie Sanders, because you are a sexist and don't think that a woman can do the job properly.
3. Vote for a republican, because you are a racist and can't stand people of different skin tones, and a homophobic bigot and because you are a sexist and don't think that a woman can do the job properly.
There is only 1 clear choice: Hillary Clinton 2016
Good God, retard. Yes, elections are rigged. We saw this on full display in 2000 and we see it working again against Trump and Sanders. However, not voting isn't voting. Opting out of a rigged system is a perfectly decent thing to do. Some people will do the asshole thing and vote for the lesser of two evils. Why even compromise your principles? Why capitulate? If you are going to vote for the people they have chosen for you, you might as well not vote at all. Either write in vote or choose someone on the ballot whom isn't controlled.
At the end of the day, your vote doesn't mean shit anyway. Politicians are complete puppets who are put out there to give you the idea that you have a voice and a say. You don't. Period.
Hillary is not qualified. And not wanting illegal immigration and terrorists coming in isn't being racist or bigoted. It's being smart. Hillarys not even qualified to suck her husbands dick. If you're gonna try and start an educated conversation about qualifications, don't resort to name calling and spouting off nonsense about things you haven't had the will to research on your own. Really makes you sound like a dumbass and refutes everything else you stated
>Hillarys not even qualified to suck her husbands dick
For the nice anon that knows how to use the word "please".
I'm the redhead.
Sorry I had to blacken out stuff, but like I said I'm shy.
I wouldn't say Hillary is leaning just as left. Especially when it comes to things like single-payer healthcare. Hillary has defended it in the past, and technically ACA is "universal" healthcare, but the way I see it it's just a massive subsidy of the health insurance industry. What good does that do anybody?
When you subsidize an industry there will be abuses. Rising college tuition I think can be attributed to more subsidization by state and federal government. Obviously Bernie's free college tuition plan would have to deal with that issue, but I trust him a lot more when it comes to pushing a strong regulatory framework that I would with Hillary.
Also, Bernie seems like the only candidate pushing HARD when it comes to campaign finance reform. I agree that we need a political revolution in the sense that the entire way that our democracy functions needs to be reexamined, and I don't think anyone but Sanders is going to keep pushing the issue after election. Hillary, Cruz, will just be giving us more of the political establishment financed by large contributors. I doubt Trump is competent enough or driven enough to seriously approach the issue, although his election would certainly shake the establishment up.
Anyway, I can't vote because I'm a convicted felon.
don't think she's looking for attention
pretty sure the topic of the thread is not about her and her getting attention, but about hillary and honesty
>tits or gtfo rule
>newfags not knowing it's a rule that only applies when femanons post themselves and ask to be rated
>virgin basement dwelling underage newfags chasing every last female off /b because they don't understand how b actually has worked for over a decade now
you gtfo newfag!
but nah, just sick of underage newfags ruining b more and more everyday and saying shit they know nothing about
This tactic is straight out of the Alinski playbook.
They pulled the same shit with vote for Barack Obama, or you're a racist shit in the last 2 elections.
It worked, then so they're at it again hoping for the same result.
>despicable, no doubt
open your mind anon and look past the rhetoric and what you believe about people as what they portray on the outside (especially to get elected)
try to understand you aren't voting for a personality, or who you might personally like, nor for social policy (prez has nothing to do with this), or laws (congress), but instead you are voting for a commander-in-chief
prez should be someone who reforms broken shit
shits been broken awhile now
voting to keep it broken and putting a proven liar in is asinine
dat definition of insanity
Why bring up the fact that you're female then dumb bitch just say what you gotta say no one gives a shit if you're a cunt. Also tits or gtfo slag.
Nigga plz, gtfo faggot
/b/ isnt a place for Whiteknighting if she only wanted to talk about polítics she wouldnt be bringing up
>im a femanon hopey dopey
And i almost forgot, To the op.
Tits please, or gtfo
What you're not voting for hillary? Don't think a woman can do a man's job, huh? I see how it is.
Um...I'm judging her by the same standards I would judge any other politician
Bro your white shiny armor is blinking
I'm not american, but i swear the first time a i saw that bitch face i had the impulse to punch her in the face and kill her by stumping her head
I dunno why, is something about her way of... everything
GOD I HATE THAT BITCH
Obviously not. No one thinks a woman couldn't do the job. This woman shouldn't be allowed the chance to try. Literally the worst choice available. You're judging her based solely on her nasty floppy dried up old ham wallet full of moths and dust.
Jeezus you are fucking dumb.
You grossly oversimplify.
You don't cite a single issue which a candidate actually stands for or might actually do (after the election).
And your choices are based on falsehoods surrounding something (sexist 3x in your post) which you apparently seek to be a nonissue, yet you make it an issue.
The very definition of illogic.
nobody seems to realize how often she's been investigated and how many times she's gotten off the hook because the people that have the evidence keep mysteriously killing themselves and dying in car crashes.
How new are you?
muh nigger >>680166018
what's amazing is the weak vote for the weak because they think this helps them
you can't name another species on the planet where the weak dictate the direction of the species
real good, humans be smart
>Shy and a shred of self-respect
>Makes sure to announce first and foremost that she's a femanon even though that piece of information is totally irrelevant
>But srsly guys, I'm really shy
No. There is only one reason you would have put down that you were female, and that was because it would attract attention. You're pathetic
You're the kind of person that makes the tits or gtfo rule a necessity. How is you being female in any way relevant to your post? All you achieve by mentioning it is showing the world what a little attention whore you are.
Wall Street is choosing and has chosen for a long time. They chose Hillary, who they hand-picked decades ago and who has been their puppet ever since. Bernie has no chance, and never did. If he sides with Hillary after this, it says a lot about Bernie.
They chose anybodybutTrump on the repubitard side because they know Trump could actually win and he hates Wall Street and actually has the balls to do extreme things to break them up.
Wall Street, negroes.
Dese Hillary sheep.
Which is why you have zero chance of any creampie action with me.
I'm not into feeling used and having my self-esteem broken.
Get to know me, show me a shred of respect and that you maybe care about me as a person, maybe we hit it off, and if so, I'd give you whatever you want physically and more.
Short of that, I'll stick with my toys for now until a good guy comes along.
FYI, I get hit on quite a bit irl, am not stuck-up at all, but need a couple of basic things based in human dignity to let anon get through the door.
newfag detected >>680167976
tits or gtfo DOES only apply when a femanon posts herself as op to lead off a thread
The fact that she is a female is only relevant to tits or gtfo there are no girls on the internet so he has not given proof therefore he is a man. After tits have been posted then the conversation can continue but until then sage goes in all fields.
Please highlight the part in OP where she stated that, I feel like we didn't read the same post.
Also are americans dumb enough to vote for someone because " she has a pussy and tits, just like me, OMG !!!!!" ?
Also OP is most probably a shitposter.
Op only posted that she was a femanon so you would take her topic of voting for Hilary seriously.
Admit it - if any anon would have Op'd this the posts would have all been calling him a faggot (which OP IS btw) for considering HC.
In OP's way she at least got some responses besides TITS or GTFO.
I've been here for 12 years now. Yeah, it's sad. However, anybody who thinks "tits or gtfo" ever applied to anything but a thread where the bitch first posted a pic of herself looking for comments and attention to her physically is newfag as fuck.
"Tits or gtfo" makes no sense in any other thread just because there's a femanon in it. All they have to do is simply omit that they are femanon.
It's amazing to me how many of the old school 4chan shit has become so twisted as to have no meaning anymore. A week ago I saw a whole spaghetti thread that capped and maybe 1/10th of all the posts had anything to do with what spaghetti falling out of the pocket even means.
You redditors and millenials who have come over here in the past 5 years have really ruined 4chan by making it into a bunch of sniveling teenagers spouting nonsense about stuff they know nothing about.
98% of b is male
Why would anyone announce this?
Holy fuck you are special dumb.
>newfags not knowing 98% of b is male
>newfags being here couple years pretending to be oldfags
One one valid answer:
Tuck your feminine penis between your legs and vote Trump!
TRAPS 4 TRUMP!!!
This is true.
Without knowing she is a femanazi I would have taken this thread to be bait.
Clearly a chick, not bait, and fem is relevant to topic only and no more.
Newfags seem to think tits or gtfo goes in every thread with a gurl.
Underage virgins n shit
Go away little one.
Your newfaggotry is showing.
Is it summer already?
The thing is, Republicans have known Hillary was going to be the nominee this year since she lost to Barack 8 years ago. She's had a decade of attacks and negative press.
And they still can't drive her unfavorables lower than Trump's, who is sitting at an impressive -51 last I looked.
Hillary is a decent choice. She's going to be in the general election for sure, and you can't say that about Bernie, Cruz, or Trump.
I'm an oldfag I say things like femanon and femthreads.
Wanting to deport illegal aliens has nothing to do with being racist.
How fucking dumb or desperate in argument do you have to be to equate those too?
then you are freakishly skinny
femanon has normal weight for that height
lol you are the freak with the obvious anorexia going on lol
fyi, femanon looks hot >>680166709
Hillary Clinton is basically the political equivalent of emperor palpatine. Smiles a lot and seems to be legit and coherent, but later on it turns out she destroys everyone who gets in her way and steals whatever isn't nailed down whilst yelling UNLIMITED POWER!!!11
and much like palpatine, she isn't just in cahoots with the enemy - she IS the enemy
Suggesting Hillary has ever been honest, lol.
Hillary can't even tell the truth about whether or not she tells the truth.
Even libasfuck Stephen Colbert can't ignore the obvious.
THIS IS MUST SEE:
why did your post require us knowing you were a femanon. Oh wait, you're considering voting for Hillary, so you're exactly the kind of vapid cunt that would pull this shit. Fuck off.
I'm not allowed to vote, I have multiple felonies
how could I care about you as a person if you're shallow enough to come on /b/ and do "femanon here" and vapid enough to brag about your physique in order to gain even more attention? On top of that, you're considering voting for Hillary, you're obviously stupid
You keep mixing different issues anon.
You are the one who apparently doesn't understand simple logic.
What he >>680171800 said ought to be obvious:
1. If 98% of b is male (it is btw), then it is safe to say that most posts and most threads are created by males.
2. If it is relevant to an original post what someone is in order to frame the question posed unrelated to who they are to put it in context, then they should probably post that or expect confusion or lots of gr8 b8 m8 replies.
3. Here, femanon op is pointing out that she is only voting for Hillary because she is a female, but is rethinking that now once she started doing research on issues about the potential candidates for President. Smart btw and what everybody should do as opposed to just voting based on "me" and who is "closest" to "me" on the outside.
4. femanon only mentions this in passing, not asking for comments having anything to do with her tits, her face, her body, her nothing--just Hillary, honesty, and the struggle a female has with voting against the only female representative choice for potential President.
>landslide of newfag "tits or gtfo" posts from morons who have been on b for less than a few years
>not understanding when "tits or gtfo" is appropriate (in ATTENTION WHORE threads; e.g., "rate me", "what does b think of my ____ (parts)")
>all my wtf happened to b in the past few years with this many summerfaggots?
Fuck off. No one cares. The fact that you got suckered in by Shillary or any other mainstream politician shows how much of a generic retard cunt you are.
But feel free to post tits anytime soon, love.
Shillary is a despicable soulless wretch and I can guarantee you that she will compromise this country's national security by allowing in floods of "refugees" therefore enabling another 9-11 type of attack, mark my words that if she is elected president we will be fucked.
Hillary Clinton is a rare woman. I mean living a lie - waking up every day and you are just lying throuh your teeth, all day long, to ABSOLUTELY EVERYBODY, and everybody gets their own special tailor made lie, loads of women can do that with ease, but then they are so easily lied to in turn because they're ignorant. Hillary really does know what's going on, who controls the global purse strings and with her husband has a lot of dirt on a lot of powerful people. I would love to hear a Hillary dinner speech to the entities coughing up $100M+ each into her foundation. Hillary knows so much, and is clearly vastly more intelligent than most people. If you want her to work for you, you pay up far more than the average American lifetime earnings, tax free of course
what are you waiting for
Please show me the exact quote in the OP where she explicitly (take note of this word here) says she's voting for her because she's female. All I see is that she's voting for her because she is very liberal and because of "who she is" which could mean many different things. Therefore, I attribute the initial declaration as attention-whoring. And for future reference, I've literally never once said tits or gtfo to a femanon, so you can put aside your petty categorizations. I'm simply able to properly identify attention-whoring when it's obvious
>coughing up $100M each
Haha source that shit. That's the funniest thing I've ever read. Nobody pays $100M per plate at a fundraising dinner and I go to these events regularly as part of my job.
You sound like some hillbilly fuck who has no idea about what you're saying.
Hillary and Bernie are quite similar in terms of their views on social issues. However, Bernie has been far, FAR more consistent over the years. Hillary is only on the right side of the social issues because that's where the winds blow. She changes her view on pretty much everything depending on who she's talking to, even in the space of a few months.
She's to the right of Obama, who himself is basically smack in the centre. Both are completely pro-corporate and pro-establishment, which is why Obama has done fuck all (yes the Republican obstructionists don't help) and why Hillary will do fuck all....except starting another war maybe because she's a neo-con.
Bernie is consistent and is actually only slightly left of centre if you compare him to European standards. The corporate media has pulled the narrative in the US so far to the right he gets painted as a radical, just because he wants to redress the balance back to the working classes from the rich. Income inequality has increased and increased over the decades for a reason.
Voting for Hillary cos she has a pussy is the dumbest fucking thing ever. Her base is old people, who watch TV news and drink their bullshit koolaid. Bernie's supporters are young and actually know what's up because they have this little thing called the internet that allows you to easily fact-check the bullshit that Hillary and the corporate media spews.
>$3bn over 40 years, and that's just the ones the tax man knows about
And no individual has ever given a $100M donation. You wouldn't get a tote bag for that shit, Bill would record you fucking Chelsea for a $100M donation.
I don't see how wanting to be involved with changing things in one way or the other is a bad thing? You're essentially saying "I can't trust an athlete who accepts a Silver Medal. Gold or go home!"
Can't wrap my head around that logic...
>Doesn't want to post tits
Organizations fund well in excess of that 100mil over time
There's no point arguing because I am right and you are naive and wrong.
Lastly I think it's also accurate to say you have never been invited to a Clinton fundraiser and never will
Hilllary is buying the Presidency
The Wall Street $'s are 100x that shown in tax filings on top of that article by even notoriously lib Washington Post
Even if she wasn't a criminal there's still plenty enough reasons not to vote for her.
Not least among them are the fact that she represents the status quo that can't get anything done without sucking Wall Street's cock 24/7.
And the fact that she blatantly just says what she thinks voters want to hear. She was never really in favor of gay marriage until that became a big issue. Bernie has always supported this. She never gave a shit about crony capitalism, it works to her advantage. Bernie has always been against this.
She will say anything or take any stance if she thinks it will win her voters while Bernie has held firm in his convictions for decades.
Unfortunately the average voter's memory only extends back about 3 months so they will gobble up a bunch of sound bites and think that they are informed.
It's simple and I'm not sure you aren't just debating nonsense for the sake of debating, because you sound intelligent, but in the off-chance you are serious:
1. If you believe in something passionately and with conviction and that is founded upon lifelong principles of what is right and what is wrong, and you vocalize this to others to garner their support, they have a reasonable basis to believe in you for these ideals and principles and that you will not compromise them no matter what you are faced with (if President).
2. If you abandon them and become the right hand or lieutenant of the person you previously spoke out against, which was based entirely on a completely separate and distinct set of ideals and principals, and do so for a mere perfunctory "title" (while not even the President), you clearly either didn't believe in those ideals and principals to begin with, or falsely portrayed yourself on that basis to garner support (including money) from others under false pretenses.
There is no middle ground on this.
He either believes what he is saying from the heart and upon which he has based his campaign and sought our support with the level of conviction that he has knowingly portrayed it for such purposes, or it was all a lie and the man is a liar.
I want to believe he would never even considering being a soldier carrying out Hillary's will based on Hillary's (non)ideals and (non)principles, but I have yet to see Bernie explicitly state he would not accept a position from Hillary, and it is clear Hillary's camp has posed this to him if he drops out, and this very question has been directly put to Bernie by the media.
I'm seriously thinking of not voting for Bernie in the primary because of this. It proves he is just full of bullshit and lies, like Hillary. A lot of people feel the same way.
Lard-asses detected. Have fun dying of heart disease while the stick people live another 20 years. You are why universal healthcare won't work.
His main contrition against Hillary has been her being "bought by wall street". He has literally said in the last debate that she would make a good president, but he questions her judgement. He hasn't had too much negative things to say about her, other than mainly questioning where her allegiances.
SO based on that, I believe him taking a VP position does EXACTLY what you listed in your first point. I'd rather keep my "enemies" close to keep an eye on them, than to allow them to run bat-shit crazy with someone who may be far worse.
>caring about social issues
>thinking any President has anything to do with this
>voting based on social issues for a President of the United States, no less
Prez doesn't do jack shit for this. Doesn't draft bills, enact laws, even get to negotiate them. Nothing.
Are you literally this fucking stupid?
Why anyone would vote for anybody, let alone President, based on "social issues" is the epitome of being completely ignorant about the role of government and the limitations on what they can and cannot do under the law.
Last time I checked, all this shit was done at the State level. Feds don't do shit for "social" issues, expect maybe fuck up "social security" and making it a losing deposit box yunglings pay into to mortgage their future--and that has nothing to do with "social".
FYI, Social Security is yet another fucked up thing created by Democrats. All these "great" Democrat economic plans all wind up being completely fucked up duds that fuck over future generations just as they have always been and are in every Democratic city in the U.S.
My point is, Bernie WOULD be sticking by his convictions taking the Vice Presidency. In my opinion, turning tail and running away because you didn't win the top spot, shows that you don't give a shit about all the things you were fighting for.
The VP is still a powerful position, and if your mindset is that accepting a position where Bernie can still enact some of the changes he was fighting for is somehow a betrayal of those very ideals, than I don't know what else to say.
It sounds like you'd PREFER Bernie to throw a tantrum and then quit politics if he loses. What good would that be to all his supporters and people who believe in what he stands for?
So does it disappoint you that, potentially, the first woman president in the US will have been a former first lady? Seems like you'd want a self-made woman to make history. Hillary has too much baggage and it detracts from everything else she may do. It just seems so... anti-feminine not to push a woman who stands on her own achievements.
I give her and Bill credit for establishing their little empire though.
You are changing the argument.
You are also overgeneralizing and at the same time limiting the scope of the issue in order to make your conclusion right.
Go re-read what I posted for a substantive response.
Your conclusion here:
>I believe him taking a VP position does EXACTLY what you listed in your first point. I'd rather keep my "enemies" close to keep an eye on them, than to allow them to run bat-shit crazy with someone who may be far worse.
is beyond completely fucked up.
It is also based entirely upon the premise that you can "control" what your enemy does by being a pawn (VP) to a President that doesn't even have to listen to you. It's the other way around--the more Bernie has to listen to Hillary and adopt what she says or explain it to the public, the more he will become like Hillary.
A more appropriate adage is "if you lie with pigs, don't be surprised when you wake up a pig one day" or more recently adapted to "when you lie with pigs, all you ever get is dirty" or "when you lie with dogs, you will get up with fleas".
I thought you were smart there for a moment anon. Sorry I was mistaken for simple logic and candor seems to escape you and your changing arguments. I'll not be responding anymore. Good day. Enjoy your ignorance.
but just wow
your reasoning is so fucked up i dont even know where to begin so i wont at all
you are not a supporter of anything
just a man who says things you like to hear at the moment
support a cause, not blindly follow a leader
if the leader jumps camps to the opposite for an opposed cause, abandon that leader as a false leader of the cause to begin with
simple as fuck
no need to explain with twisted arguments to justify opposite behavior
Wow, that's a rather harsh response when I am simply debating my point.
I guess the differences in our arguments has to do with how each of us interprets the position of Vice Presidency.
If you see it as being a "pawn" or a "side-bitch" position, then yes, I'd agree with you and would be disgusted to see Bernie in that position.
But that's not how I see it. Maybe that's naive, to which, again, your argument would have whole-hearted merit.
My interpretation is it'd be Bernie saying "if I can't make the decision myself, I want to at least be in the room so that I can have a voice".
no news stations report any of that. check into it. shes been investigated many times for scandals and the people that have the evidence all end up commiting suicide or dying in car crashes. they even found some of the evidence they needed in her house with her fingerprints all over it. its pretty damning.
>caring about social issues
Iraq war is a social issue? Crony capitalism is a social issue? Ok, sure, buddy.
>Prez doesn't do jack shit for this
I guess the power of veto isn't jack shit according to you.
>Social Security is fucked
It's far from perfect but Reagan didn't help at all by stealing from our retirement money to fund his trickle up scheme.
Get rekt neocon.
YOUR argument makes no sense. The points you made would be true if they were two opposing leaders battling in a fucking WAR. We're talking about a democratic primary. Meaning you have two people fighting for relatively the same thing, but different ways of getting there.
You make no fucking sense.
>I guess the power of veto isn't jack shit according to you.
Not to mention Supreme Court nominations. Democrats always do better when voter turnout is high, which happens in presidential election years. Therefore, the Democrats have a decent chance of regaining the Senate. That plus the presidency means 2-3 new Supreme Court nominees, and Bernie in particular will pick actual good justices rather than Obama's ridiculous pseudo-conservative pick.
This idiot is still here >>680182882
>goes on and on in a political thread about "tits or gtfo"
>shows his newfagdome
>gets the shit kicked out of him
>then posts yet another piece of evidence of his supreme imbecilism in this >>680182882
For those that care, the guy on the left in that image is Chauncy Morlan and it has been repeatedly proven to have been photoshopped and even then was chosen amongst his many photos because it was by far the slmmest pic of ol' Chauncy when he was only 14 years old. He is 448 lbs. in this image, which again is photoshopped. Chauncy suffered from a number of diseases and died over 900 lbs.
Jeezus you eurofags are fucking dumb and gullible, aren't you?
<----see pic, yet another example of stupid euromemeslingers who are just that stupid
You're behaving as if he couldn't just, ya know, quit being VP is he feels like he'd need to sacrifice his morals to keep the job.
But, I guess that's what I get for trying to talk logic with someone on /b/
I am American, but I know that's hard for you to believe, being that I am not a land whale.
Stay mad, Fatty McFatass.
i'm not him but:
iraq was not a social issue
it was over money (oil)
social security was FDR, a Democrat
>thinking re-budgeting of dollars in an already existing plan (by law, that's badly broken because it never would work to begin with) and the other party misattributing it to somehow destorying the plan (after 50+ years of consistent failure)
tax rate increases by dems over decades and more government intervention plans caused ss to fail but it was doomed from the beginning no matter what anyway given the rate of pay in and the increase in life expectancy
dems just made it fail faster
claiming anyone re-allocating funds from social security broke it (50+ years later) is like accompanying your buddy to his bachelor party in vegas and him claiming you destroyed him by taking his family's money off the gambling table after he blew through 99% of it over a week of gambling with hookers and blow in between
your logic is so fucked up anon