Fucking americans are such idiots. They can't even solve a drug problem in their country.
comparing an apple to a bowling ball. Let's also be like the Swede's and the Greeks, while we're at it. Because there is NO difference in culture, moral, laws, nor international issues between them.
>Because there is NO difference in culture, moral, laws, nor international issues between them.
Did you ever stop to think that there is a difference because portugal does things better and more efficiently, and that is the difference?
That's because the "war on drugs" only serves the purposes of culling the ethnic minorities and keep a permanent state of urgency. Which in turn allows the passing of oppressive and restrictive laws to curb basic freedoms and to cuck the entire american population (except the wealthiest ones, ofc).
portugal is arguably one of the poorest countries in the western Europe
No, because you do not consider the possibility that the two are incomparable.
The United States has a labor force 5 times larger than that of Portugal's, and yet Portugal suffers from a higher percentage of citizens living below the poverty line.
Portugal also receives around 40 billion EU in financial aid, while the U.S receives around 155 million, hardly a fraction.
I'm not even arguing that Portugal is worse or vice versa.
More importantly, Portugal's economy is exasperatingly smaller than that of the United States.
Portugal is experiencing a far-left movement. Although history shows the pendulum is always swinging, anon.
yeah like he doesnt get that methadone and suboxone programs are equally just as bad if not worse and these fucks are too fucking stupid to see that and i could imagine what they do for work through government assistance
Me being portuguese...
Our economy sucks, our people are lazy fucks that pay way too much attention to media. In other words we are americanizing. You amerifags are the same shit... Funny thing is that you cunts are all about insulting europe when "we" fucking made you. The saddest thing is that you are all so poor in history that the only things you know how to do is war and holding on to a retarded constitution. Your legal system is merged with God, twats.
Point is... we, portuguese are being shit rn: our people is straight up retarded that allows corruption we were once a great nation to become this shithole (we need some aspects of salazarian mentality). You, americans also suck. You think you are all free but you aren't real, you are given liberty only to give it back, you know why? Because you are like sheep. And all these wars, refugee crisis (which started bc.of.your government),... its because you are a shit country trying to make up your lack of history.
They are comparable. You're just saying they'e not because one is smaller than the other, and the smaller one is running their country much better, than that rustles your jimmies.
I've been saying this for years. We just need to legalize everything like fuck
>our people are lazy fucks that pay way too much attention to media
you said it, pal
>"we" fucking made you
lol is Portugal part of Europe now? I was pretty sure not even they wanted you.
>Your legal system is merged with God, twats.
majority of Portuguese are Roman Catholic, nigga is u serious?
>(which started bc.of.your government)
wrong, maybe you should pay more attention to the media
>trying to make up your lack of history
founded in 1776, made in Europe (aren't you part of Europe, too?)
We do not compare apples to bowling balls, for we know the two differ largely in size and stature.
Jimmies aren't rustled; but Portugal is not doing any "better" because they're extremely liberal policies are temporarily working
Higher percentage of murder and rape is a nigger problem, not related to drugs. Everything else is spot on though.
no it has to do with a greenhorn with a hole in his shoe and torn coat smelling like a chourice mild and courcurla holding a fucking carlo rossi bottle as a fucking coffer for donations for your shit country
That anon that replied wasn't myself.
Size is a valid argument, and believe me, I do enjoy some statistical fractions.
Portugal has a size of app. 92,000 square miles.
The United States has a size of app. 3.8 million squarer miles.
So, 3,800,000/92,000 equate to the U.S being over 41 times larger than Portugal.
With border restrictions, and therefore limitations of resources within Portugal, drugs works for their smaller economy.
I still don't see what you mean by a common denominator. If you insist upon comparing the two countries STRICTLY in terms of the drug legalization, it works because their smaller population came to a consensual agreement. Unless I need to start comparing the population sizes, as well, to convince you the two are not comparable in terms of their economy. I feel like you just have a strong hatred of America to fuel this thread.
Japan has fewer violent crimes and murder than Portugal and you practically get fucked for life if you get charged for drugs.
Portugal should use Japan's system, it works great for them, it should work great for Portugal, right?
portugal is .... how you say faggot communist
every greenhorn i met sucks cock or has sucked cock scp blows ronaldo is a vagina and nelly furtado fucks niggers because all portugeuse guy are fags
I can't even... i don't even know how to start.
Almost everything on the mexican side is 100% false...
7 times fewer rapes? You can claim a wife by capturing her. Mexico has twice the molestation rate than the USA. Rape is not reported like it is in the USA, doesn't mean it's non-existant.
I'm not even gonna keep going. Troll/10
We are not, alas. But that's not to say we're doing shit on a global scale.
Every country has a majority of asshats who give their homeland a bad name. So long as we stay as informed Americans, we can continue to defend our legitimacy. I have pride in our country's potential, not it's current state.
and alot of that 13% in/out of our prisions, jails and cloging our legal system
hey guys! you seem to be lost! let me help you!
now that there gone, real men can talk,
for people that have working brains, the amount of potential money for the US government of drug and vice taxation would be incredible,
if all drugs were legal, and people bought and used them, there would be so much tax money, we might be able to have free college education,
seriously, i would be a huge tax boon
as far as why america hasn't legalized drugs, we'll
I have often considered the legalization of all drugs as a good thing.
I rationed this; the government federally legalizes all drugs, and leaves it to the states to decide.
If majority of Alaskans want to do cocaine but not Alabama, then move to Alaska if you want it that bad. Then the government can (instead of the war on drugs) fund cessation (rehab) facilities and the black market for drugs will collapse.
I say this as a conservative, as well, that I believe far-right conservatives are the reason this won't happen. There are still too many people who believe that the government should control what citizens consume "for their own good" (i.e smoking bans)
??? Did a member of ISIL start this Thread? Turn allies to enemies!
Who's next, Canada?
America is the least inbreed place on earth except for certain rural areas were niggers and red necks bottle up. Otherwise noted place can you have literally all the other human subspecies breeding the way they do here and in such numbers and variety.
I am a proud Red.
We are not racists.
That's the OTHER side.
the reason Portugal allowed drugs was because they researched the whole subject. Almost every inch of the problem was covered.
For simplification you can check out the 'rat park experiment' that covers the problems of drug abuse very well(in a nutshell tho).
It wasn't about cultural differences or population count or anything like that, but how our individual minds can get addicted to drugs. Which is why what works in Portugal would work in the US just as well
some new people ended up abusing the different substances. Nobody is denying that. But in the bigger picture, the Portuguese 100% benefited. because it was cheaper and a lot more efficient to deal with the problem this way
Yeah, it's a difference.
We also speak different languages.
Explain how the fuck the difference is relevant. Does this mean everyone in India is addicted to drugs, cuz population?
wanna know why? only 1.4 percent of people are niggers in Portugal however in America 12.6 of people are niggers (all of this according to wikipedia) that's 9x the amount of porch monkeys.
You misunderstand what exactly the problem is and who exactly 'they' are.
The problem is 'how do we continue to sell weapons during a time of unprecedented peace.' 'They' are the military-industrial complex, the many-sided system for getting paid to kill people that came into fruition during back-to-back world wars and decided it liked it here.
Have some sweet bread.
I didn't even make a position. arguing that population difference is somehow relevant, and then using math instead of actually explaining your reasoning of why it matters, well, it's pretty goddamn autistic
Also there's a lot of bullshit in this thread.
I grew up in Portugal (Lisbon admittedly) and only left as an adult. We're like Jews, only you can't recognize us. One century we'll be splitting the world in half with the Pope's blessing, the other we'll get in debt to buy dat shiny BMW. Low profile world domination. Deal with it Americans.
We're so good at this shit the world even thinks our women are hairy and ugly.
At any rate, i know have addicts in my Portuguese family and they went through mandatory assistance, free of charge, and were able, in some cases, to educate themselves enough to get a job. You're a junkie for life, but you can quit the junk. And being free helps, a whole fucking lot.
That being said, we're a poor fucking country, and I love it. It costs almost as much to cook your meals at home than to go to the local tasca and eat greasy food and sour wine. You can spend an afternoon drinking coffee after coffee and spend 5€. It does suck for the unemployed, granted.
Americans are too subject to sensationalistic views to ever accept decriminalizing drugs.
drugs are for the feeble minded faggots who havent gotten over their pacifier being taken be a real man you cunt and lift like the rest of us alphas do instead of being lazy fucking queers with hurt feelings extending your weak noodle begging arm to receive the eu welfare grants
So if it's more difficult to control, wouldn't that support decriminalization? If you can't control it, why waste the resources?
Let addicts that want help get into rehab programs. Let degenerate drug addicts get diseases and die.
Tax money shouldnt go to rehab, agreed, its all their fault, not a problem of tax payers. But you deserve to be shanked, plus its all media bullshit you know? And if they become human thash is just because they cant get drugs(Doctor house? Renton?), because they are prohibited, wich increase the prices, since it is hard to obtain n shit...
Fucking greenhorn sucking mommies tit till ur 35 inbred closet case fucking little bitch beat your gf while you get cucked by niggers and lesser spics than yourself to pay for your drug habit fucking cunts cowards who are quick to stick your chest out but when i fucking clock you your the first to call the police and say why he hit me i hate all you fucking greenhorns id nuke your shit country if i had the opportunity
because portugeuse customs arent the fucking only customs in the world fuck face and when it starts interferring with other people of other customs it becomes a fucking problem
Portugal also doesn't have a bunch of niggers spiking the crime rate.
What retards like you on /b/ don't understand is how your argument holds no weight in America's situation. We like weapons and wealth. We are not the dingleberry of Spain. So fuck off.
Because for better and for worse, the United States is for the most part a Democracy. And we have a larger majority (larger than the ENTIRE population of Portugal) that believes people should not have access to life-destroying drugs.
And that's actually not a bad point. Yes, freedom to the pursuit of happiness, and prevent a tyrannical government from too much control.
But if you value human life/humanism, would you not prevent the allowance of self-destruction to your fellow man, if you could?
no, you have to see the bigger picture in this.
The reason money gets spent on rehab is because it's better for everyone. Having a addict in society isn't cheap. And just throwing them into prison also costs a lot of money.
Rehab costs a lot to maintain, but it's the only way to change the addicts behavior. Only punishing people, distancing them from the rest of society will only push them further towards crime.
I get that you want tax money to benefit you, it kinda sucks paying for scum to get help. But in the end it's better for everyone, and the way forward
lol tiny ass european country thinks its policies will be effective on a continental empire. seems legit.
not when the system works against hardworking upstanding citizens the violence increases because .... put it this way you go to work every day and you have a bunch of wreckless fucking hobo junkies cracked out around your kids or robbing everything you work for or keeping you up all night because they fighting over the last hit you will eventually want to beat them down with bully bats like nigger
said it all!! these small countries are so proud of their small achievements... its sad...
So if we can stop addiction, and we have more addicts, wouldn't that be even more reason to invest in curing addiction? And I'm not sure what you mean by 'human capabilities'. You mean like making dank memes?
Actually pure drugs are not so neurotoxic. But street shit can be awful because retarded people trying to make a buck. If you legalize, all that horrible cutting with mystery shit goes away.
Legalization of all drugs WILL create more addicts, it's painfully obvious.
I do agree that we should invest in curing addiction PRIVATELY, but not by government spending. The government shouldn't be allowed to say "here's all of the drugs, but don't come crying if you get hurt."
And by human capabilities I mean the ability to think and process thoughts rationally. To be able to experience happiness without drug use, and to be able to get out of bed without a physical dependency on drugs. To be able to think freely of drugs, and to not have their personalities altered as a result.
And especially, to prevent narcotic overdoses from becoming the leading cause of death in the states.
It's painfully obvious? But several examples of drug decriminalization have shown to decrease number of addicts? Maybe you should let reason guide your decision, and not let your decision guide your reason
The ones who are simply drug-users? They should not be treated like criminals, no. Only in the state now where they are aware that it is illegal and still possess it regardless.
There is no crime for addiction. If all drugs were legal, then they would be exonerated.
But should we really be giving everyone drugs to become addicted to, when no one else is willing to pay to help treat them when they do become addicted?
So I guess all of your problems are because of other people? Maybe you should work harder, get a better paying job, move on up In life, and quit being a sniveling little bitch
You forgot another key difference. Portugal is a peice of shit country with no employment. All of their colonies are doing better than them in the modern world.
USA is none of those things.
Many overdoses are caused by black market cutting and lacing, and that would definitely be solved by the legalization of drugs
But many drugs, such as cocaine, have an undeniable altercation on brain function over time. There is legitimate research to prove that many drugs change the state of mind within an individual negatively.
Right, and in those countries (I'm assuming you're referring to Portugal, because that's the only example in the world where ALL drugs are legal) the government pays for rehab treatment programs.
I'm thinking like an American. There's no way American taxpayers will support and pay for the rehab/cessation of drug abusers.
dude you get a job you deal with junkies there or you deal with junkies robbing your house when not home its a catch 22 plus its hard to get a job with assaults on your record due to junk boats
Never said the government. I intentionally said "we" to mean private citizens. However, in order to sell marijuana legally in Colorado, it requires extensive forms, fees, and tight adherence to the law.
Technically, it would be the government, because it would regulate and tax the drugs. But I meant we as in the people, not the government.
But you're okay with spending that same money on putting them in jail? If it was cheaper to treat an addict with rehab then with jail, and you are paying for both, which would you choose?
Rational? I haven't insulted you once, which you cannot say the same.
Yes, it is much more rational to allow over 300 million people access to every type of drug. I'd have understood if we were strictly discussing marijuana.
But if you're out of support for your argument, indeed just call mine "hypothetical nonsense".
Addiction is already a crisis in America. Legalization will not help because Americans will not pay for public rehabilitation centers.
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You got me all wrong bro. I meant this whole conversation is hypothetical nonsense, so tell me what you think. I already know Americans wouldn't support having their taxes go to rehab
Pretty much everything alters the brain. This is useful information for neuroscience but useless for informing behavior unless you show functional consequences.
You haven't thought shit through very well have you? Wait, I guess it is Monday. You probably just haven't gotten very far into that History channel documentary yet. Hopefully by Friday you'll know enough to at least avoid going full retard like this again. I hope it's not too much of a spoiler, but the Nazis lose, and Hitler pussies out like a bitch and swallows a bullet.
Too true. Why is it that you all care so much about us and we don't give a shit about you?
Honestly, how much of what we do effects your life personally? Not on some global scale (we could also introduce the Chinese and the EU to that one), but you personally?
Jesus, the rest of the world are a bunch of salty haters...
I Know that you feel, americanos stupidos! chupem minha rolá
If you think the War on Drugs is about lowering drug use, helping people, and fighting crime, you are sadly mistaken. The War is big money all around. For one all law enforcement agencies from top to bottom are appropriated money based on how many cases they deal with. The more arrests they make the more tax dollars they receive next year. Plus they get to keep all money and property they confiscate from drug busts, even if the person accused of being a drug dealer is never formally charged, or are acquitted. Technically a person can get their shit back if they push the matter enough, but by then most people are too broke, and unemployed to be able to afford a long court battle.
Next there's the fact that a very large number of prisons of privately run. The government literally pays companies to manage prisons, and they pay based on how many inmates are being held at a given time. These companies lobby the government on all levels for stricter laws and enforcement, because it is in their interest to see as many people as possible, for as long as possible incarcerated.
Next many prosecutors are elected to their office. They need to appear as tough on crime as possibe to their constituents, and drug offenses are pretty much slam-dunk for them.
Speaking of which, society at large severely looks down on drug users and sellers, and these same people vote. They will generally vote for the candidate perceived as being harder on crime in general, and drug offenders in particular.
Then there's all the rehab facilities, counselors, and the self-help industry. People who make a living "helping" drug users don't want to be out of a job anymore than anyone else.
On top of that, Drug lords make their living selling drugs on the black market, and it's tax free income. Legalization is the last thing they want, and rest assured they have the money to grease the right palms too.
nah I mean direct importation. they have been caught red handed but no one cares. the latest thing that really stood out to me whas letting a captured mexican cartel kingpin off the hook by not allowing evidence that would have gotten a conviction into court as a matter of national security. literally just let him go because that evidence would show our hand guys.