What's so wrong with pedophilia? Why does society say that anyone who has a sexual attraction towards children is sick and fucked up and needs to die. I honestly don't see the harm in having that "fetish" if you're not going out and actually having sexual intercourse with minors or OBVIOUSLY abusing them.
Not a pedo myself it's just always been a curious thing to me.
Agree, it is indeed inevitable, but will probably take a few hundred years or so. Social issues will become more and more important as the world starts running out of resources. People will stop caring so much about money and more about survival. The world will indeed become more human. And yes, things like drug use etc, laws will be no longer enforced. People simply will not care any more, to each his own.
It would require society to think logically about things, for example.
If homosexuality preferences are inate and natural so would the sexual attraction to children be inate and natural.
Yeah its disturbing I never seen the attraction some people have with kids lots of guys and girls do.
Then the legality of it is a whole other can of worms because, the day before your birthday your not "mature" enough to have sex, until midnight, what are you a fucking gremlin? But go out and shoot someone aw shit nigga we gonna fry your ass.
Because there always have and will be A LOT of parents in the world.
>Not having intercourse or abusing them
The only reason most pedos haven't is because of laws, they aren't considered sane or trustworthy. People don't want their kids around someone who in the back of the head wants to plow the living shit out of their kid, it's like they're a constant threat no matter what. The only way pedophilia will EVER be accepted is if islam takes over.
I was a witness in a cheese pizza possession case. the person in question went to prison, as far as i know, never touched a child/teenager in his life, as far as I know, and i really doubt the person would.
anyways, the same fucking grand jury, let go a dude who actually had a relationship with a 15 year old girl, they just let him walk off because "we can't be sure she didn't seduce him"
>the day before your birthday your not "mature" enough to have sex, until midnight, what are you a fucking gremlin?
Not saying fry the pedos, but there is no logical reason to be sexually attracted to someone be it male or female prior to them hitting puberty. If their only single digits but arent pre-pubescent then fine but otherwise there is a mental imbalance at the least.
Im gays are atleast attracted to pubescent people of the same sex in open society so i find nothing wrong with that either.
>Im gays are atleast attracted to pubescent people of the same sex in open society so i find nothing wrong with that either.
Gay pedos are called pederasts. And they can be attracted to prepubes as well as postpubes.
Stop compartmentalizing what you find acceptable, and what you dont. Life is like that. Facts can be offending sometimes.
>the more you know.
They are both mentally ill, the difference is homosexuality is harmless. Two consenting people of the same sex getting together, the only "problem" is it grosses people out. Pedos on the otherhand are willing to kill just to cover there tracks and are attracted to those that physically just are not meant to have sex. Aside from physical damage there's a ton of physiological damage left too. I don't think they should die for being mentally ill but they need to either have FULL control over their burden or be locked up/kill to keep others safe.
Well the mind works in different ways, so logic has nothing to do with it.
The brain can think and say whatever it wants, but the soul of a person says who they really are.
Unfortunately you have no idea what makes someone attracted to the young.
It is like an addict that knows the next hit might kill them, but they do it anyway because that is who they are.
>homosexuality is harmless.
Homosexuality (from Ancient Greek ὁμός, meaning "same", and Latin sexus, meaning "sex") is romantic attraction, sexual attraction or sexual behavior between members of the same sex or gender.
Not really..it is a bit too young and can easily be taken advantage of by an adult but adults can be taken advantage of by other adults to a less degree. I don't condone sleeping with 15 year olds but it's not the same an 11 year old or something.
>logic has nothing to do with it.
are we talking about attraction only or the legal consequences of that? There is no logic behind attraction within the same sex yet it exists and we as a society even say its normal its natural it happens in nature, which it does and it is. the same happens in nature with other species when they are to young to mate, they're still raped or have sex willingly with others in the same species.
the problem is really the law, the problem is where do you draw the line, is it at 14? 12? 18? What do you do when a chld claims to be a willing participant? Why is the childs age irrelevant when it comes to criminal actions like assault/destruction of propriety/theft/murder but when it comes to sex they're victims NO MATTER WHAT.
That doesn't even touch on the entire subject of cp because, one could make the argument that posession of cp by actual pedophiles would be a form of "treatment" or a form of keeping the lid from that dude going out and kidnapping a kid somewhere.
I just think its really complicated, and its not as simple as throw him in jail and throw away the keys, and thats another thing, why do women get a pussy pass for the same crime as men?
>MOST gays aren't pedophiles.
Well, isnt that ironic.
Do you ever read what you type before you post?
Are you 12 years old and trying to understand complex issues?
Cause thats fucking cute.
I dont have a problem with that logic. Problem is, you speak of LEGAL CONSENT. Which is a different animal altogether.
When I was 15, I was fucking my mother's friend regularly and even though I couldn't LEGALLY consent, I very much consented to every sexual encounter we had.
I know it will probably piss you off that I point that out. But its totally possible to consent without having the legal right to do so.
Lol the physical damage has nothing to do with society, and psychological only to a degree. Rape and abuse in general is harmful and even worse on those with less developed brains.
>Permission to let something or happen or an argeement.
>Do you want to have sex with me?
>Do you know what sex is going to be like?
And manipulating kids to let you go at it without physically forcing them doesn't mean it's not rape. Normal children don't want to have sex, they have no reason to there are SOME oddballs that had urges as kids and mostly males.
I'm being serious dude.
There are adults full grown men and women who according to your definition, do not give consent to have sex. If we go by your definition and I have sex with you and you don't expect me to suck your dick then that would be outside the scope of consent because you didn't know that was going to happen, you're creating a can of worms with such a wide definition.
Hunter S Thompson used to have a lawyer friend named Oscar Acosta, who once had to defend a Satanist against charges of raping a minor.
his defense was "Why would I fuck children? They're too SMALL!"
the problem with posession of cp as treatment is its literally an illegal act on a child. Its like saying to keep someone from murdering someone you have to watch a video of a person being murdered. It becomes kind of this wierd catch-22 situation.
Of course one can also argue that watching cp can further escalate the individual and increase the desire. I would say for example, you take someone watching porn for the first time. It's simple and keeps them from the act, but then the porn "escalates" gets into kinker and kinker stuff. Eventually escalation can't be enough and the person needs to have sex or to act out their fantasy.
For most people, that's fine because you can find another adult and act out your fetish, but for a pedo that isn't going to be the case.
>one can also argue that watching cp can further escalate the individual and increase the desire
Hey I don't disagree with that one bit you are right, the thing is we could argue the same thing for consenting adult porn, it could generate into a ban on kinky shit for adults theres a lot of porn out there that wouldn't handle the scrutiny. I don't think we should be throwing people in prison for posession, I think it is the lesser evil of the whole problem.
I think part of it comes down to human nature. Sex is a pretty basic desire and when your sexually attracted to a person you do the adult thing - ask on date, talk, etc all in hopes it leads to sex. Why? Because as people we need sex.
You now take a person sexually attracted to children and its very difficult for people to believe that that person will never act on it, because sex is so basic to us as humans.
Of course most of the time pedos get release through other adults and aren't exclusively attracted to children. Of course its hard to explain why someone is attracted to a kid, none of the physical characteristics we would associate with attractiveness are there. And i'm not talking about the 14 year old who looks 18, i'm talking about the ones who obviously have not hit puberty yet.
Because rational people know that it's immoral, because they are children.
I once fucked a girl that was 16 (it's legal in my state) but I thought she was 19. I was devastated. I felt disgusting. It was wrong. (I'm in my 30s)
This is not society telling me this - it just felt wrong in my heart.
This is the normal reaction.
South Korea has a pornography ban, it was originally suppose to reduce sex crimes but I haven't ever seen any real statics saying it works, but who knows I think it might be a good case study (eventually).
I do agree that we have completely overblown possession laws related to cp and would even say that it should be decriminalized. The fact that it is basically for all intent and purposes life ending seems harsh.
No need to read all this bullshit.
Who is this sick minded has to
a) search therapy
if watched cp or raped kids
> pic related
YOU CAN LOL EVEN HARDER.
>TIME TO GO -------->404
>go to therapist
>tell them you're a pedo
>have a normal session
>popo waiting for you
>you're in jail being intergated for 48 hours
inb4 harm someone
it could be said you are already harming someone,so they take advantage of the law and imply you are
See, I would disagree. I think its exactly society has told you how wrong that is and you have internalized that. You didn't have sex with an age, clearly she passed the physical test and assuming it was consensual, she was wiling. Would you of felt as bad if she was 17? 18? Some would say its fucked up for a 30 year old to have sex with a 19 year old because she is 11 years younger then you.
It's kind of like people skirting around the issue that young "16-17" year old actresses or models are not completely hot and fuckable. But the day they turn 18 its totally cool now? Why fucking pretend?
The punishment in the USA is basically perpetual criminal status because you can't work, you can't rent a place to live, you can't vote, in some states you aren't allowed to live in places/towns/neighborhoods. there is something seriously wrong with the punishment.
i am in no way condoning the practices/posession or anything related to sexualising children or anything of that sort, i shouldnt have to say this jesus christ.
Totally agree, like I said its for all intent and purposes life ending. It will always be a part of you for the rest of your life. If that type of logic was put toward any other type of thing people would be losing their shit.
Its like someone posts a picture of a pot leaf on facebook and doesn't live in a few of the select states in the US that allow it and then someone gets years in jail for having posession of a picture of pot? what?
The logic flies with nothing else, but a "think of the children" narrative that is popular with voters so that is why I literally never see it changing. Could you imagine someone trying to argue in the US with our current political climate to decriminalize CP? They would say it on Tuesday and be crucified by Tuesday night.
Yeah, that anon is either female/gay/under 18.
18 and up is such a bullshit standard because of the gremlin rule, doesn't make any fucking sense, specially when they have agency to commit crimes and other things but not have sex.
Because pedophiles are broken defective people. There's no such thing as a harmless pedophile. You get off to kiddy porn and you think "well it's not real" but it is, somebody created that porn and an actual child was abused to create it, and you as a consumer of that product are complicit in that crime.
My 16 year old self and 18 year old self were no smarter. Maybe when I was 20 and for sure by time I was 22. But i've met girls in the mid 20s that were for all intent and purposes as stupid and naive as any 15 or 16 year old. I'm not going to play the "i've also met 16 year olds that were mature for their age" bullshit. But 16 vs 18 is pretty much equally naive.
>stoned to death
Shows your mental progression.
Since your reading comphrension is shit.
We are talking about the past and how historically it hasne been 18 for a long time.
Only changing with western societics self deprivation
it would be really difficult, i think you'd have a better chance of having the age of consent dropped to 15 than to change the situation, if you could lower age of consent to something more "normal" then you could change the entire discussion to more normal forms of punishment for cp and actual child rapists.
People are made squeamish when they figure out the exploitative nature of man and even more so when it's directed at children.
We have this senseless impression that their innocence should be preserved so that society itself may rape it with the truth when they're old enough to cope with it.
It hasn't been many years ago that marrying off a 13 year old was unheard of. Dying in child birth was more common the older the mother, therefore, taking a teenage bride wasn't crazy. Now, idealizing a child just to empower over them...that's just a fucked up individual.
That is a ridiculous standard to judge someone by. If that standard were applied to everything, watching a military video from the US Army in which someone gets killed would make you a murder.
innocence has nothing to with it, it's simple fact that the overwhelming majority of children are not mentally prepared for sex. Sex isn't just a thing we do it's not some act like walking down to the shops, it's a definitive feature of our very nature and it has serious emotional effects on a person. Someone so young is not prepared to handle the mentality of sex and can easily become mentally fucked up for life by it.
what if I told you pedophilia could be harmless if the child in question wasn't told by society that they were a victim and the worst possible thing has happened to them
what if instead they were taught, it's ok, different people have different urges
which child would be less fucked up?
>watching a military video from the US Army in which someone gets killed would make you a murder.
Except that footage isn't created for your pleasure. If you watch a purpose made snuff film however, then yes, you are part of that crime. Not as much as the murderer, but you still contribute to that shit by creating a market for it.
dude no one here is defending child fuckers/molesters, we are talking about cp posession, get a fucking grip of yourself, if you cant handle discussion of a subject like an adult person, gtfo
I would say that it sounds like something that can't be proved. Every person, even a developing one as a child will react differently. And even on that note I would say since we live in a society where the child WOULD be the victim then you are basically admitting that pedophilia is not harmless and fucks kids up.
Most adults are incapable of coping with the repercussions of sex in a healthy way.
>not mentally prepared for sex.
Yeah, we tend to fill their heads with these weird delusions humans aren't vile monsters then plug Disney into their brains so they can be sexually warped on an unconscious level, or preserving their innocence.
Sex could very well be something we simply do.
I'm assuming you're American.
The child who was raped would still be more fucked up then the one who wasn't are you fucking serious here?
Don't unload your fucked up fetish on society and say "Oh it's just wrong because you told the victim it's wrong."
It's wrong for a reason. Lots of children have been fucked by assholes who told them it was okay and perfectly natural and they STILL end up fucked up.
A child's mind can't handle that sort of invasive intimate contact.
the kind of emotions you have while consuming a product does not dictacte the legality of said product. someone may enjoy killing animals with their car, it doesn't make their car a weapon under the law its still a fucking car.
How are you so enformed?
Do you know from personal experiance that you have some to these assumptions?
Or are you making basless claims?
My nigga is 20 in the marines smashing on a 14 y/o. We made fun of him and called him a pedo for a minute, but all of us agreed we'd take what we could get given the opportunity. Plus the hormones and chemtrails they're putting in the water is making people develop faster. Nowadays, seeing a chick with a set of Ds in middle school is pretty common. Some of them hoes on Disney channel can get the dick, real talk. Either way, my boy needs to stop before he gets caught and gets sent to the frontlines when he's done with training. Nigga's playing a dangerous game.
Stop trying to make it seem like it's society's fault pedophilia is wrong and accept that you're all disgusting subhuman filth. Obfuscating social progress as a means to justify your desires or have them accepted, mental illness or no, doesn't make what you want any less wrong.
No it can't be something we just do. It has emotional ramifications that having nothing to do with Disney brainwashing you tinfoil retard. Go ahead and tell your kids the truth, tell them that there's fucked up people out there and tell them everything about the world.
But then don't think that it suddenly becomes okay to fuck them afterwards because it's got nothing to do with upbringing and everything to do with Sex being a defining and mentally engaging act of our species that 99% of children aren't mentally prepared to handle.
Not the guy you were replying to and only bring this up since it just was recently (today?) in the news, but Dax Shepard (the actor) admitted he was molested as a kid. He blamed himself, thought he was gay, etc.
Again its all anecdotal because each person is going to be different but its been pretty heavily studied that most kids molested are going to be fucked up in some way.
oh wait , i didn't think of the physical ages we're talking here. anything prepubescent shouldn't generally be allowed as physically they're not ready for it, as long as there's no physical harm
>Doesn't make their car a weapon
Uhhh, yes it does.
And ignoring the bad analogy, if you create a market for something, people will create the product to fill that market, that's always been the nature of things.
Do you think the drug trade would be so big if noone wanted to shoot up heroin?
Do you think there would be so many illegal guns being sold if people really didn't want to shoot each other?
And do you really think there would be as much child porn being created if nobody wanted to watch it?
If you consume that shit you are part of the problem.
>Name successful actor
>pretty heavily studied that most kids molested are going to be fucked up in some way.
Show me one peer reviwed study on the matter,and i might belive you,if it isnt heavily biased due to the subject matter
I believe all pedophile, child rapists, or extreme child abusers should be castrated or plainly put killed. why? whats the point of them being sent to jail? its like they come out jail thinking "i'm not sexually attracted to kids anymore" theres no treatment for that so i think those people are better off dead. Now if its just a fantasy thing maybe its okay cause thats in your mind and you can role play with a spouse. KIDS aren't sexually prepared for shit. And will peophillia ever be accepted i mean when is any right sane person going to let their kid be fucking around okay maybe a 14 year old with a kid his/her age or -3/+3 is okay thats when they're both exploring. but how can you be attracted to a 5 year old when you're like 30? that little kid probably still wetting the bed.
anyways i was molested twice as a little girl. by older guys idk what those two guys saw but i certainly didn't want that
>Uhhh, yes it does.
No it doesn't, a weapon is one thing a car is another, just because you can use a car as a weapon it doesn't make the car a weapon under the eyes of the law.
As far as the market goes see >>680080480
And if nobody buys it, how the fuck are you intending on stopping it? Because the cops aren't going after the makers, they're going after the eyes that watch it.
It's mostly because of the sick fucks like Peter Scumbag and Donald Hump that creates a shitfest among others.
People like them regularly abuse torture and even kill innocent little kids just for the sake of money and their sick albeit mentally reasonable lust for kids.
It's not the group and illness but some people in them are sick fucks that deserves eternal hell.
They used to castrate pedophiles in my country (Sweden) but it backfired hard, when they couldnt rape the children they started to torture them and sometimes kill them. It created anger...
Anything used to kill someone is a weapon, if I flip out at my boss and bash his head in with a stapler from my desk, that stapler is now considered a murder weapon.
And you don't have to "buy" it to create a market for it. Just like everything on the internet lots of people get off just to the attention and will continue doing shit like this.
You should probably just kill yourself.
I got molested as a kid to four years straight by the same person, and I feel the opposite. Give them a fbi hosted website to view that shit on, tell therapists to stop snitching on them and get them off the streets. I'd rather people fap in their bedrooms or get it off their chest than commit crimes.
Also, damn twice by different people? You must of been a looker.
It's got nothing to do with your intentions and everything to do with psychology you idiot. It's not something you can choose to ignore, in fact it is a literal mental illness to have no emotional response to sex.
to answer your question very simply, which actually applies to most
>the unknown scares simple people most
>most people are simple
>if something is abnormal, then it is shunned because it is "not normal"
Again i stated it was anecdotal not some fact. With that being said, my counter to you would be to show me a study that says kids molested all turn out happy and healthy? You can't scream for facts when you've provided none yourself.
I can argue my side from purely the fact that most people would agree being molested as a kid would cause psychological damage as its a developing time in your psyche and that it would interfere with its development. Do I have specific studies? No. But then do you? No.
Uhm CP is a big fucking industry they have areas where they keep the models in prison-like facilites. Sorry to inform you. There are those who treat the kids well but they manipulate the kids into a dreamworld where they become totaly limitless.
>object has multiple uses
>one of which is a weapon
you can't apply weapon regulations to every fucking thing that could possibly be used as a weapon. on the same token, you can claim that marijuana works like medicine so health regulators should be able to regulate it and they don't, regulations don't work like that.
fucking a hot 16 year old girl and being a pedo are 2 separate things, do you realize it ?
there's a lot of hypocrizie in the US about this 18 year old thing while in most other countries nobody actually gives a fuck if the girl is over 15-16 (you shouldn't do it but it won't have as much consequences as if she was less at all)
i used to think no one deserved to be killed but idk with my experience.. changed my mind totally. thats crazy though I'm sure the other post is correct to if you castrate the pedophiles they'll just torture them... i mean why would they deserve to live? i can't think of a reason .. can anyone?
People assume if you're into the fantasy of it you'll eventually commit the crime irl and while some people will, the vast majority won't since they're able to tell right from wrong.
That being said I can understand why people don't like the idea of others finding kids attractive, most people don't want kids to even have the chance of being hurt and as soon as they hear that remote interest they assume you're going to hurt them.
I never said anything about applying regulations what are you retarded? Stop deflecting the issue of yourself being a sick fuck for being into kiddie porn.
You are a fucked up person. You shouldn't bash someone's head in with a stapler just because it's not a weapon and you shouldn't watch kiddie porn.
why does the law enforcement waste time with idiots who find ways of downloading cp and not with the such big fucking industries as you put it, you can't have a big industry and be so massively off the radar without corruption on the law enforcement side.
Well they are sick and we as a developing society should try to cure them shouldnt we? Killing everything that is wrong is like the animals do wtf we should be better than that
I agree with you, sadly law has to be the same for everyone and they decided that there were a point were some 10% of the population were still dumbass kiddos until 18.
And there's actually another reaching point (sexual maturity) which's different in each country, in mine it's 15. And obviously at 15 i just wanted to anal sex my spanish teacher like everyone else, but those 10% retards.
you can't cure sexuality, tried it on the gays and the trannies and it didn't work, not going to be any different for the pedos. Keeping them locked up is too expensive. The only solution is to throw them all in a big pit, throw a bunch of knives down there with them and tell them that only half of them will be eating that week and it's up to them who gets to eat.
Well by threatening them with literal castration you can't really be shocked that they kill them to lesson their chances of being caught. It's the reason we don't castrate rapists, they'd just start killing their victims instead.
but if you give them a website what kind a parents would want to give their kids up to be fapped to?
while i agree it be better to keep it sort of as a fantasy than a reality its still disgusting.
mm no i don't think i was i just think i was at the wrong place at the wrong time
we are mostly talking about laws here.
no you shouldn't kill someone with a stapler and you shouldn't go out and fuck kids. what are you calling kiddie porn? us law says 16 is kiddy porn, 14 is kiddy porn. you going to tell me 14 year olds in their hormone puberty fury don't want to have sex?
its not fucked up to say the rules are fucked up as it is and wanting to have better more clearer rules, you are obviously a female or you would understand the difference here. men can't as much as say a word around kids or they'll be branded child molesters, while at the same time, women who have sex with kids don't get punished at all, and men get years in prison for cp possession that is fucked up.
Why would she fuck you? I mean why would I woman wanna fuck a boy. Have I been brainwashed into thinking women only want hung men?
Seriously what's the appeal?
Unless I'm projecting and your mothers friend was a guy
you could stop to assert 15 years old people are children.
They are teenager, it's different, and i can assure you there's lots of fucking around school at that age. They don't need help to poop or to draw, fucktards.
I'm not a pedo, but i'm one of those guys who could fuck a hot 15 - 16 year old as it can happen to everyone, and i'm aware of it, because some people grow really fast.
There are plenty of adult women who go for younger men and at 15 he'll be going through puberty and that can really be a turn on for some women let alone teachers who have the whole role playing power
Nobody cares what kids want to do. Kids are stupid and don't know what's good for them.
And this has nothing to do with gender I don't even know where you're pulling this from. This is some grade A deflecting you're doing here. I'm saying that EVERYONE should be punished.
Then use 15 year old pics, the fbi has a huge database for their missing children program. Or make them register for access to it like medical marijuana and decriminalize simple possession. Any thing is better than what we currently do, and killing people is not practical or morally feasible.
We don't all live in a stupid country where people don't differentiate 12 years old from 17.9 year old ; there's a LOT of difference in the law in some countries putting nuances on this
Sad thing is some kids actually do enjoy doing sexual things young. I remember essentially since I think age 7/9 I was sexually active. Doesn't happen with a lot of kids but some do
I'm quite certain they don't have child porn star prisons.
Child porn is so rare most pedos who watch it can name most of the kids involved in it.
Most of those kids are adults today.
Depends on everyone but in my country set the sexual maturity at 15 years and 3 months which's basically a few years older than when you enter in your teenage age, as you may know.
Read some papers i'm not your personal Wikipedia.
There are counties where 12 is legal, in the US you're not legal until you are 18. There is legally no fucking difference if the "child" is 17.9 you can still be charged and convicted for pedophilia related crime.
However this same country (USA) allows girls as young as 13 to get married, marriage implies sex.
Whats the fucking difference?
I used to have this fantasy of being a cute school girl attending an all girl school. I'd get found out my some hot huge, fem jock in the locker room. She would then proceeds to punish my ass
When I read that all I could think of was pic related
You pointed out what i was pointing out : you live in a fucktard country which makes no difference between all this while there are a ton of differences and most countries wrote the difference inside the law itself.
You shouldn't consider a 12 years old the same as a 17 years old, and your brainwashed vocabulary ("kids", "children") prove your country has a lot to learn despite all its power.
>depends on everyone
well thats some motherfucking fine rule you got there. lets enshrine that into the books. are you finally understanding the problem?
No sane person considers a 12 year old and a 17 year old the same, but the fucking laws do, that's what it means when people say child rapists, thats the fucking problem. But people here in this country (USA) are imprisioned for posession of materials that depict a child (under 18) having sex, it doesn't say from 12 to 18 it's under 18 that is the rule. It is a pretty fucking wide scope specially when you consider that a lot of that scope has kids that are sexually active with adults with consent and with each other with consent.
Then you are doing nothing wrong. Consider: looking at pictures of a murder, a robbery or an assault is not a crime. Naked kids is.
Where is the justification?
no. not until it's made public knowledge.
I'm all for the age of consent to be 12-14. I have seen group therapy sessions where gays and pedophiles were both attending and they gave their stories.
Their stories were IDENTICAL except for who the target of their love is for. Just from my experience its so close its scary.
They both talk about being shunned, misunderstood, in the closet, how much they wanted to grab hold of a specific person and never let go.
I honestly think if both parties enjoy the experience, or the experience fulfills something in each person then its good. If a 10 year old wants to have sex then why should anyone stop her or him?
Young children masturbate to orgasm because it feels good. They are not raping themselves..
Just let them have some enjoyment in life.
i think we can all say this age should be lowered at some scientific average sexual maturity (which as i said earlier is 15 in my country and sounds fine) and each case should be followed by an expert (psychologist or something) to check if the "kid" is conscious of all that and is ok, he should have a voice.
that would be super ultra fair honestly.
i masturbated at age 7 or younger, did i know what i was doing probably not, but you bet your ass after the first few time i knew what it was and had there been an adult that would have wanted to do something I wouldn't have said no, it doesn't mean I would have understood it or knew what was going to happen, but you could say the same thing for a 14 year old, everyone is different. the problem comes when you're arresting people for possession of images or consensual relationships
I don't see why not really. Only reason I wasn't going out and doing things with people is because I was essentially taught by everyone to never do anything until I was the legal age of consent.
As long as the person knows that it's what they'd like to do, they understand what's right and wrong (to make sure they aren't abused/manipulated), know how to protect against STIs and pregnancy, it's fine.
I can understand, to an extent, the act of photographing being a crime. What I cannot understand is possession and viewing of the photograph being a crime. That's pure moral-outrage horseshit.
Consider, at least 2 G8 countries do not criminalize possession or viewing, only creation.
>photograph of a naked child is a crime.
not in every context m8
take nudist environments for example (families, places and even entire comnities.
Reporters can go and take pictures and publish them, and it's considered ok
I guess overall if you made it legal the supply and demand would go up but then again if you had willing participants it'd be fine rather than the blackmarket where people are paying to see it because they know it's illegal and some people are hurting the kids (whom no doubt most don't want to be there) because they want the money.
>If a 10 year old wants to have sex then why should anyone stop her or him?
What if that same kid wants to smoke spice and skip school? It's not that simple, kids having sex at that age are just making poor choices because they're dumb kids. Either they're taken advantage of by someone smarter than them or they seduce someone irresponsible enough to give in and eventually reveal the relationship and ruin their lives. I'm all for easing the penalties on CP for people who don't make it, but actual sex is going to be a very heated discussion.
There was actually some CP uploaded to a YLYL thread the other day which had I think 3 images where it was little girls at a beach, still illegal since it's a nake kid though. I can see your point though and I feel like in those situations it's a victimless crime
and? There are plenty of rape victims running around, doesn't mean people can't get off on the idea of rape and forced sex or at the very least understand the sexual appeal of it.
Stop trying to apply different concepts of "consent" to this argument
Pedophilia is a black and white issue, sexual consent exists between adults only. Thats it. Everyone sympathising or trying to justify pedophilic conditions or attractions is either a stupid pedo or a neckbeard who consumes loli and other stupid cp mimicry.
Learn to develop adult relationships and stop praying on children. Just because the last time you were happy was when you were an innocent little kid doesn't mean preying on children will bring any of that back.
If you disagree with this post, you should seriously consider killing yourself because you're literally whats wrong with today's society.
Oh now days no doubt there are plenty of ways to get free CP but back in the day and in certain places you can't get certain things. Not to mention I imagine people pay a pretty price to have certain scenes inacted you know?
Looking at and possessing pictures of hard-cp shouldn't be a crime in and of itself, it what I'm saying. How is a prosecutor or a cop or even a citizen vigilante supposed to do their job when possession of evidence is criminal in of itself?
And that's assuming it's rape or something. Pictures of a naked teenager is legally no different than a literal child being raped on camera.
very interesting discussion, it's getting rare in /b/
night guys, and go kill yourself fucking pedos.
Funny that there are people that would pay big bucks to be in that exact situation when they were that age
Here's a hug anyways
It'll be socially acceptable before long OP.
Just like we used to think of gays as having a mental disorder, and put them in jail at one point in time.
More and more sites and people are advocating to make this stuff legal, I recon age of consent will be lowered before long.
So what'd he actually do to you? Must have been a friend of the family or a family member
Oh you're an adult, good. Then you would know there is no such thing in life as black on white except for death and taxes, people are having a discussion on a subject that is on a lot of levels pretty philosophical on what consent is and what an appropriate age is and what the contradictions of the law are. Your position shows an inflexibility that is beyond understanding which makes you come across as a young faggot who can't see past its own bubble.
I give it 20 years max. Once 90% of the jobs are done by robots and we're all on a basic income, we'd have nothing else to bitch about besides social issues. I except dogfuckers and robosexuals to come right after. It's inevitable.
Feel free. At any point did you enjoy it?
I totally agree. Moreover, this can be directly compared to homosexuality. First, it was illegal to be homosexual. Then, it was illegal to take part in sexual intercourse. Now, everything's legal.
I agree that it's okay to be a pedophile, but acting on it is, of course, terrible. EVEN IF someone has the consent of the child.
My inflexibility exists when you're talking about fucking kids.
As it should with any nurturing and wholesome, mentally sound adult.
Your immediacy to talk down to me, to try to have the upper hand, indicates that you do not like the fact that what I say makes complete sense.
This is not a discussion of the philosophy of consent, this is the search for some kind of vague justification of pedophilia - which doesn't exist.
Sure they do... Just keep telling you that you do not harm anyone.
A stockholm-syndrom is always a sign of mental health.
Was by the way not a family member or close friend. Sick fuck.
I was a fan of cp long before the deep web. I've seen most of it, but for past few years there's alot more camming. Hard core vids are very rare, maybe one or 2 new ones a year.
Not her, but I was in the same boat and it was cool until the chick started putting her fingers in my butt. It really depends on the person, but something invasive like that can be very uncomfortable if you have no idea what's going on. I imagine it was the same for her.
>not a close family member or a close friend
Hm I'm going to go with teacher then.
>started putting her fingers in my butt
Well I can understand how that'd be a bit annoying if you'd never done it before/didn't want to
Eh you don't really know that. Most of the kids that consent to it probably don't speak up about it since they don't want to get their partner in trouble, all the ones we hear about don't consent to it
Molested anon did you abandon thread? I never got your heart wrenching story
>never done it before/didn't want to
That's what I'm saying. A majority of molested kids fall in this category, probably her too. I don't fully believe in kids consenting, because I was a retarded pothead at 14, but most pedos don;t look for consent anyways, especially after they get the initial trust.
Just fuck people your own age. Jesus christ, none the of the people here championing pedophilia or identifying as pedos have EVER had proper relationships with anyone.
Sex isn't just about an orgasm, its about a physical manifestation of both a primal urge and a deep emotional connection.
Children don't have the mental capacity nor the emotional development or understanding to comprehend sexual intercourse. No child requires sexual contact, innocence is very real and very fragile.
You're sick, you know you're sick and you're trying so hard to use intellect and anonymity to avoid the fact that you, not modern society, are absolutely and unequivocally fucking flawed.
You know you should kill yourself, and so does everyone else
Yes, yes there is. Read the full sentence. Children don't know any better, they just want to get their dicks wet. They don't know what they want.
>Most CP is free
Dude, a child had to be molested or abused for those images and vids to be produced.... Even then, those images exist for the rest of that persons life.
Groomers use images of child exploitation in order to seduce and coerce their victims. They use the images as props to mimic positions etc.
Not every "cost" is monetary you fuckin moron
Oh I know she didn't consent but she's essentially gone: mine was abusive so they all are. Which isn't true. If you have it just be about consensual sex, suddenly there is no crime. Rape is still rape absolutely but yeah as long as they're consenting there's no issue.
It's bot wrong to have a fetish, it's not wrong to have ideas, but when people act on them, and those acts physiologically mess with people, it becomes a problem for human rights. A child is an idiot. A child doesn't know anything. A child needs to be taught, not abused. Casual sex is made up usless bulshit. The purpose of sex is to create life, children can't create well developed life, so no sex for kids. It's that simple. On your anime and in your drawings, it's not a big deal there becuase those are illusions and can not be hurt. Pedophiles are their own worst enemy
Really? I mean I'm attracted to little girls and yet I've been in a stable relationship for 6 years