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Just had a couple of questions for /b/

Do you support abortion?

Where are you from and what kind of family were you brought up in?

If you do support abortion, is there any specific circumstances you do or don't think it should be allowed?
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in some cases is very ok but if you are a fucking whore nope i'm more like sterilization for that bitch
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>>680027045
Haha totally
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>>680026446
I myself am an aborted fetus, so yes, I support abortion.
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yes i am totaly pro abortion just for non whites tho
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>>680026446
That picture does not show an abortion. It's this special new massage that's given to unborns now. It really stimulates them and improves their motor skills.
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>I want this woman to not kill this foetus so I can ignore it completely when it's born.

Great argument. I'm for it. In that, it's not my body so I shouldn't have a say on what another woman should do with hers. Unless I'm her spouse.
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>>680027288
I literally cant stop laughing
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>>680027894
I love 4chan.
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no, i think it's immoral because it's an act which denies hope.

i also think making abortion illegal or making access to it prohibitively difficult often leads to greater evil than permitting it.

the real way abortion should abolished is by abolishing the conditions of desperation which most commonly drive women to abort. an abortion isn't merely the failure of the woman who aborts or the technicians which facilitate it, it's also a broader failure of the community which prioritizes individual gain over common good at the cost of incredible suffering. which is to say, we bear the responsibility of every abortion carried out because we have not decided to love eachother enough to make abortion not only an evil, but inconceivably ridiculous
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>>680028442
your entire life is an act that denies hope.
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>>680026446
Im a male its not up to me to have an opinion on abortion
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>>680028554
the will to live is an act inextricable from hope
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>>680026446
Whether it is legal or not, women will seek one out if they really want one. So why not make it legal and safe?
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>>680026446
Yes I support it.
I'm born/raised in South Africa, but now live in Switzerland.
I was brought up in an average middle class family.
I don't think it should be allowed after a certain period of fetus development. I haven't thought much about how far along in the pregnancy but clearly aborting the day before you give birth is bordering on fucked up.
However, that said, I literally do not care if a woman has abortions as a hobby.

On a side note I think a guy should be entitled to "abort" his child... say now he says, fuck it, I don't want the kid, I "abort" it. He shouldn't have to pay child support or have any legal obligations to it. If a woman can abort freely then a man should be allowed a similar right.
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>>680028738
>it's not up to me to have an opinion on whether my potential offspring lives or dies
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>>680029014
Where do you live? Geneva?
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>>680026446
>support
No, I just don't give a fuck.
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>>680029014
>a guy should be entitled to"abort" his child
Are you serious? Did you grow up in a cave?
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>>680026446
I would get an abortion just to piss people who don't support it off.
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HAHAH YES I DONT WANT 18 YEARS OF BAD LUCK
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>>680026446
>implying its perfectly ok to literally murder someone

people say its fine because they dont know better or arent alive yet, of course they dont know better theyre fucking dead. if i kill someone they wont know better because theyre fucking dead. its no different.

To add, it isnt the womans body, the child is in their body, but not part of it, and its their duty to defend its life when its most vulnerable, not fail it completely.
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>>680026446
I do not support it. I support using protection for both male and females and if some how something comes up abort within 48 hours. don't wait weeks.
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>>680029855
Have you even had your own 18 years of bad luck yet?
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I believe in it.

I'm from Virginia and grew up in a very Right Wing, very Roman Catholic family.

I think everyone in my life would be happier if I was aborted.
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>>680030000
WITNESSED
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>>680029999
i totally agree, theres like 10 different and seperate ways of contraception, some of them definite and reliable like implants. if you cant be bothered to prevent it you shouldnt be able to take someones life because of your own shortcomings
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>>680027288
kek'd
Underrated as fuck
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>>680030000
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>>680026446
first trimester is open season. After that it gets creepy, but debatable. Last 3 months is just wtf wrong with yo ass
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>>680029999
>>680030000

DOUBLE QUADS IN A ROW WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS
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>>680026446
I don't support it. I think it should be illegal if some dumbass bitch didn't think about the consequences of her actions. I think it's okay if someone was raped at a young age, like a 13 yr old. Not some slut who got drunk and agreed to have sex with a scumbag.
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>be healthy 25 year old individual
>get government letter in mail
>"hello, you have been selected to donate your life preserving kidney. This cannot be rejected."
>don't even know person it's saving
>decide to ignore it
>don't show up to hospital on date on notice
>the recipient dies
>charged with murder
>spend 25 years in prison

Anti abortionists argue this isn't the same, but it's identical.
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>>680028442
IVORY TOWER
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>>680029999
and if someone's raped?
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>>680029077
Yes. That is correct. Welcome to America.
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>>680030744
I don't get it
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>>680030950
Forced by government to use your body to save someone else's life that you don't know.
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>>680029014
This
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>>680030744
this greentext makes no sense bruh, you a nigger or just not an english speaker?
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We are overpopulated hell yeah i support the shit. idc when it takes place in the pregnancy just do it
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>>680031297
What part of it doesn't make sense to you.
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>>680031100
No, that isn't the same at all.

Abortion is killing. You are the active party, destroying a life out of personal convenience. It's not a death that would occur otherwise that you're being required to stop.

Hack.
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>>680030009
Are you me?
>VA
>Catholic
>conservative family
>pessimist
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>>680026446
In what kind of backward country is it even a debate?
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>>680026446
I do not have a vagina there for I am not entitled to an opinion, just like every other male out there is not entitled to have an opinion on what a woman does with her body.
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I'm undecided about abortion. On one hand it is killing children, on the other it gives women a choice... Toughie
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>>680026446
The less poor/ unwanted / minorities on welfare the better
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>>680031100
youre not saving anyones life? a better example would be getting forced to adopt a child and you just shoot it in the face because you dont want to take care of it
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>>680031100
Having a baby doesn't kill you though? Not saying I don't agree with abortion, just don't exactly see the point in this bit
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Choosing when to give a shit about human life and when to ignore it is one of the worst cancers of 1st world countries. Any product manufactured by a large corporation is drenched in the blood of poor people. Someone who lives in a consumer based culture and selectively chooses one form of murder as being wrong while actively engaging in the promotion of murder in other forms is supreme hubris and hypocrisy. "I'm pro-life but I post about it on my cell phone which has components made/mined by child labor in 3rd world countries..." What the fuck is wrong with people. Just be pro-abortion like me, and wish death on all babies.
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>>680026446

Abortion is murder .
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>>680031833
Is masturbating?
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>>680031452
Disconnecting a man from a life support machine is also killing him. Life support machines have no rights. But people do. You cannot legally force someone against their will to support another life using their body as life support.
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Freakonomics is the only valid point on the pro-choice side.

It stops niggers from producing offspring
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>>680031660

>women can opt out of pregnancy
>men can not
>I am a sexist that wants to give certain rights to women and not to men

What's it like being a useful idiot for murdering whores?
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>>680031937
how would masturbating be murder?
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>>680031833
They should have aborted you.
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>>680031953
No-one forced you to fuck, m8. Less than 1% of aborted fetuses are rape babbies
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>>680031937

No.

An infinite amount of sperm will never be turn into a human.
An infinite amount of eggs will never turn into a human.

When an egg is fertilized is the black and white moment that you can argue that a new human with rights has been created.
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>>680027288
I worked with a guy that survived 2 abortion attempts.
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>>680026446
lol
its a thing literally growing inside your body (if youre female)
and youre proposing that something as abstract as society should decide what you do with it
get lost moralfags
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>>680030661
But how can you differentiate between the two?

A woman is a woman and a cunt is a cunt.

All women are cunts, but not all cunts are women.
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>>680030883
If someone rapes well its up to the female to take a test when she believes she was a victim of being raped the problem is females are scared to report being raped in fear their parents will give them greef id understand my daughter if she got raped parents really need to make it clear to their daughters if they're sexually active that they should know they need to use protection and if that they can come to their parents if they had unprotected sex so we can prevent them from ruining their future back make it clear that it better not happen again.
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>>680032173

>he cares about human life in the womb, just like he does outside of the womb
>what a hateful bigot that deserves to die amirite guise?!?!?
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>>680027568
So that more of you faggots can shoot up schools?
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>>680028442
>conditions of desperation
You've been cucked hard, faggot. They are all whores. Kys
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>>680031447
>>680031297
He doesn't understand the words.
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Abortion is literally the best that could ever happen to a man who got some girl pregnant.

Imagine the horror as being man having your life destroyed by a one night hook-up that takes half your money for around twenty years?

Yeah, fuck that.
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>>680032228
Doesn't matter.
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>>680028442
Sorry, the correct answer is NIGGER
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>>680032328
You should hook me up with him. We could make a baby and attempt to abort it. Would be fun.
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>>680032690

>I'm irresponsible
>good thing I can kill my kid in utero to dodge the inevitable outcome of sexual intercourse

What's it like being a subhuman savage?
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>>680026446
I support abortion because having a safety net feels great and paying child support is fucking expensive
when the baby has no chance of survival or a grave disease it's useful too
I don't support eugenics and abortions based on the sex of the baby, it should be illegal
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>does human life begin at conception?
Yes
>is abortion filicide?
Yes
>is a fetus a human entity that is not part of the mothers body?
Yes
>Do I care?
I couldn't be fucked into caring. Kill your babies. Hell, bring back eugenics. Sterilize the weak
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>>680032690
I couldn't agree more
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>>680032621
>all whore
>probably fat virgin neckbeard
kys plz
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>>680026446
I fully support postnatal abortion, once they're born fuck em. It's hammer time
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>>680029976
When you have a parasite from this point on you let it grow since its at its most vulnerable cuck faggot
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>>680033468
>postnatal abortion
Nice one.
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>>680026446
Using pics from a method banned since the 90's step up your game OP
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>>680026446
wish I could get a 35 and 47 trimester abortions but in the states they call it murder. I wish someone would kill my kids
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>>680032970
I know it's confusing but he was a nigger eve though he did have a job.
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>>680033127

I work a full time job - all the money goes to me.
I own my own home.
I own my own motorbike - Triumph.
I holiday twice a year.
I have a group of top friends.
I have occasional sex with girls one city over who don't know my real name.

So life as a subhuman savage is working out pretty well...
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>>680029589
So you would be fine with being forced to pay child support or raise a child with a person you don't like, even if the pregnancy was accidental?

If the man doesn't want the child and wants it aborted but the woman wants to keep it... the man shouldn't be forced to provide for it.
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>be me
>5th grade
>hardcore catholic gradeschool
>Auschwitz for kids
>it's recess
>the middle of kickball season
>best friend at the time is pitching
>about to roll when suddenly the bell rings
>fuck back to class
>have to carry ball back into class to secure it for tommorow's recess
>friend sticks it under shirt
>maximum ball security
>start heading back
>almost back inside
>suddenly 6th graders
>so fucking close
>they have a bat
>shits about to get real
> one kid starts hitting the ball under my friends shirt
>others join in
>it's getting intense
>other kids start watching
>a crowd forms around us
>I start shouting "abortion! abortion!"
>hear laughing at first then dead silence
>turn around
>tfw the teacher is right behind me
>wtf you say anon?
>shit can't get out of this one
>suspended for 3 days
>fml when first day back start learning about abortion ethics
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>>680026446
I have no issues with abortion.
It's an unfortunate thing but sometimes it's the best choice.
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>>680033468
Mmm ... that edge. Like a thousand folded steel katana
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>>680026446
>>Do you support abortion?
Yes
>>Where are you from and what kind of family were you brought up in?
Latinamerica. Middle class
>>If you do support abortion, is there any specific circumstances you do or don't think it should be allowed?
I pretty much support it in most circumstances. I think it should be avoided when then fetus develops a central nervous system. In case a single person aborts three times. After the third time the state should provide a procedure so that the female can't reproduce anymore.
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>>680033911
The man should maybe not stick his dick in everything that moves. Or ever heard of condoms? You can't be real.
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>>680031660
It's not her body faggpt.. it's the baby's body that gets chipped up and vacuumed.. if she don't want to have a baby then be responsible and use bc. Or god forbid abstain from sex. These fucking whores who use abortion as birth control should be chopped to pieces and sucked into a vacuum and trashed.
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>>680033911
we should have the right to refuse to recognise the baby, like women have the right to anonymous birth
the law is fucking us big time on that shit and no one seems to care
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Abortion should be legal in grape cases with no repercussions. In all other cases it should come with a required mental evaluation and if you are found to be anything other than mentally stable you should be sterilized. The male should also be forced to get snipped. Men should also have the option to force abort as long as they are willing to get the snip. Also un-tying or re-connection of reproductive organs should be on a case by case basis.
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>>680034273
What if she was raped 3 times and got pregnant 3 times?
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>>680034380
This anon understands.

Women who get abortions are murdering whores.
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>>680028823
Truth
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just imagine if it was you the one cut in pieces,mercilessly by some jack the ripper doctor
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>>680034425

Testify!
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>>680032690
Or.your could be responsible and use protecrion.. you know the purpose of sex is to procreate right?
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>>680034772

Perhaps it's the purpose for you.

For me, fucking hot girls is entertainment.
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>>680034274
> What is perfect contraception?
There's no such thing as perfect birth control... condoms fail.

I agree that being a promiscuous person isn't a good thing but that shouldn't be a reason to take someones life away from them if something unexpected happens.

>>680034425
Yep. I'm gay and will never have a kid, but the fact that women have such retarded laws working in their favor is just disgusting.
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>>680034567
if they don't abort the chances are the baby will end up in a waste container or be flush down the toilet right after its birth
before women let the pigs eat them or drowned them in the river
abortion is the most human thing to do
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Discussion like this is the reason I advocate the immediate use of nuclear weapons. The human race can't possibly be this stupid, so let's just glass the surface and let our robot overlords handle things from here.
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>>680034560

I'll let you abort rape babies when you let me prosecute someone's kid because the parents committed a crime against me.

Why should someone pay for someone else's mistakes with their life?
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I think an agreement should be made between both parents before an abortion or birth is gone ahead with. And the woman gets the tie breaker vote as it's her body. Fair enough?
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>>680028823

>murdering whores will kill their kids anyway
>let's streamline the process for them and make it as safe as possible

If you are willing to let Jamal stick a coat hanger in your cunt so you don't have to raise your child then you deserve all the side effects that will come from the basement abortion.
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I'm a pro-life atheist anarcho-communist. I was brought up in a liberal irish-catholic family. I tried to convince myself I was pro-choice for a long time. Then a girl I loved very much had an abortion and it made me want to die. I'm done trying to convince myself of anything that I feel is inherently wrong. Abortion is evil. Bad for the woman, obviously bad for the child, bad for everyone involved.
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>>680034931
Ever heard of morning after pill?
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>>680034521
How the fuck can a small bunch of fruits perform in a court of law?
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>>680035461
>obviously bad for the child
Good one.
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>>680035030
This is a sad sad world we live in.. the rational for abortion is that they are going to kill the baby anyway. The precious defenseless baby that they created. Is just an inconvenience that is better off being ripped to shreds in his mother's womb and vacuumed into the trash. Lest the animal that conceived him have to perform the murder by her own hands after birth. Jesus christ we as a society are fucking disgusting.. I hope we get destroyed by a meteor soon. Fuck!
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>>680035128
you really believe that kid won't be fucked up with the kind of environment he's gonna grow up into
a rapist as a father, a mother which will see the face of the guy who assaulted her everytime she'll look at him
that's torture in the best case scenario
in the worst case he's gonna turn into a crazy bastard and give society what it deserves for letting this shit happen
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>>680035430
>>680035430

>the body of a unique human being in utero is the body of another unique human being

It's not her body fucktard it's another human's body. Nobody has a say in it. It's murder.
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>>680035839
Sure. Thing fucking grows inside your stomach. Nobody has a say.
>Retard underage
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>>680035670
the Church accepted infanticide
if the father and the mother smothered the baby to death they were forgiven
what was made could be unmade
a baby is not just something that stays 9 months in a womb, it's gonna grow up, need time, need love, need support
if you don't want it the best is to spare him a life of misery and neglect
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>>680035500
A morning after pill is the responsibility of the woman, if she doesn't take it... the man is still held accountable.

All situations should be covered.

The most simple and logical solution is to let a woman keep the baby if she wants it, but if the man doesn't want it and yet the woman keeps it... he should be free of all legal responsibility.

Any other way is either being too unfair to the woman, or too unfair to the man.
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>>680026446
what's the deal with these retard threads
i bet yall faggots root for israel too
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>>680035839
to be fair, a baby is basically a parasite while in utero.
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>>680035724

>no one will ever amount to anything if they were conceived in rape

wew lad.
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I'm generally against it. It's a murder and there are so many ways to avoid pregnancy.
If it's justified, as in, dangers for the mother or severe birth defects, then it's a necessary evil.

Anyway, I'm from Serbia and I was raised in a fairly liberal and non-religious family.
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>>680033533
youre literally calling the whole human race parasites... your arguement is invalid faggot
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>>680036340
if your wife was raped and got pregnant how would you react?
will you keep the baby and treat him as your child?
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>>680026446
Yes. Fetuses are are unable to distinguish beings for purposes of upholding the implicit social contract. As such, they do not receive direct protection under the social contract.

I'm in central US, brought up evangelical Christian.

In case of permanent disability, abortion by nitrogen asphyxiation should be allowed after birth if family also consents. If any do not consent, they must adopt.
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For pregnancies caused by rape, yes I do support abortion.
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>>680026446
I crawled out of the bucket, spit in my mom's face, punched the doctor in the nuts, stole his wallet and walked out the door. If everybody had to do that maybe there wouldn't be so many whiny adult children in the world.
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>>680026446
tottally proabortion, of course regulated... but if some bitches die in the process im still ok
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>>680036055

>I don't understand that there is three sets of unique DNA in the scenario of mother, father, unborn child
>I want to give certain "rights" specifically to the mother, not to the father, and won't even acknowledge the third unique human; the unborn child

What is it like performing the mental gymnastics required to fail at logic so hard?
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>>680036642
Oh I forgot:
England, middle-class, parents married and still together, non-religious, didn't give a fuck about politics
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>>680026446
No joke. You ask some of the best questions, OP.
I also have been interested what kind of families do people grow up in when they have abortions. Their families must be really fucked up.

I grew up pretty poor, but my mother had no abortions.

Abortion is probably OK if it's done in the first 14 weeks. And even then, it's pretty stupid. This is why sluts should be beaten. Nobody cares if you have 10 boyfriends at the same time. But if you start having abortions, you should get the death penalty.

>>680028738
Oh, look, a castrated retard.
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>>680035839
No one suffers. There's no victim. Bringing a child into the world is a responsibility and if you're not ready it's the best choice to make. If you want to concentrate on the worst cases you're going to get a twisted perspective.
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>>680030009
:(
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>>680036255
Like I said. Put on a rubber. Don't stick your dick in everything. You must be 12. Where you're from?
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I think that everyone should be sterilized from birth with some sort of injection that turns off your ovaries/testicles and makes you essentially infertile.

If you want to become fertile and have children, then you must take an exam that tests your intelligence through normal curriculum such as math, science, reading, history, etc. You're also given a sort of psyche screening to determine if you're psychologically ready/fit to be a parent.

If you meet these requirements you're injected with the serum that enables your fertility for a week. You got a week to go out there and attempt to get your partner pregnant. After that week you're infertile again.

Abortions would not longer be a problem because people have children would have had to gone through so much shit, abortions would be the last thing they'd do. There would be no more teen pregnancies and completely fucking incompetent people raising children to grow up to be even bigger assholes than their parents.
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>>680034274
>The man should maybe not stick his dick in everything that moves. Or ever heard of condoms?
The woman should probably not ride everything that points. Ever heard of birth control pills? You can't be real.
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>>680036337

>parasite
>fetus
>bundle of cells

All leftist double think required to dehumanize life in the womb.

It's a fucking human with it's own inalienable rights.
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>>680032603
So we can have better societies to live in.
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I think of it this way, if abortions didn't happen then there would be a lot of unprepared teenage mothers in the world.
Abortion is not fun. It's fucking terrifying, and extremely painful.
There's the years wondering whether you did the right thing, for some people they can't even look at kids without feeling that guilt.
I made the mistake of thinking a pregnancy couldn't happen one time. Since then it's been birth control central.
I will say that the people who get pregnant over and over again and get abortions constantly should be sterilized, but that's a very rare occurrence.
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For reference, I'm a Finnish woman who grew up in a healthy middle class family.

I support abortion (for any reason) up until the end of the third pregnancy month, and I support it up until the end of the 6th month when there is a risk of injury, death or impairment. After the 6th month the fetus is so well developed that it can survive with good health care so the most humane course of action is giving birth to it. Case in point: my dad.

I also support the idea of "men's abortion". The ability to withdraw all rights and responsibilities related to the child permanently (without a second chance) would be a fundamental step towards true equality. This legal procedure would have to be done before the end of the 3rd pregnancy month to ensure the mother can make a choice knowing the father's decision.
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>>680027288
hear that guys?
if you support abortion you support /b/tards
i bet that changes how you feel
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I support abortion.
In places with socialised healthcare like the UK, they should be charged for excluding pregnancies caused by rape. Taxpayers shouldn't pay for your dumbass mistakes.
America. Non-religious family, but still Right Wing.
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>>680037179
You have an interesting technique.
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>>680026446

>Do you support abortion?
yes.

>Where are you from and what kind of family were you brought up in?
az, both parents in the same house and both working. one was a small business owner and the other was a government employed teacher.

>If you do support abortion, is there any specific circumstances you do think [it should be allowed]?
rape, incest, danger to mother should be carte blanche at any time, paid by the state.

>[any specific circumstances] don't think it should be allowed?
only one that comes to mind is a pregnancy in the third trimester, but this is already the law
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>>680037292
Parasite:
>an organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense.
the only difference between "You're pregnant" and "You have a tape worm" is after 9 months you get a prize when you're pregnant
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>>680036928

>no one suffers. there is no victim
>you killed a human in utero and they will never experience anything past the day you murdered them

Wat?
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>>680026446
>Do you support abortion?
Yes

>Where are you from and what kind of family were you brought up in?
Spain, middle to low wealth open minded and not religious family

>If you do support abortion, is there any specific circumstances you do or don't think it should be allowed?
Advanced pregnancy stages (unless fetus malformation that put the mother in danger) or using abortion as a contraceptive method
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>>680037083
Like I said in earlier posts, condoms aren't fool-proof and there are many other situations where any form of contraception will fail.

In the real world preventative measures don't always work, which is why you need to have all situations covered.

I also said that I'm gay and will 'never' have sex with a woman so these problems don't even apply to me, but that doesn't mean I'm apathetic to the situation.

I'm from Louisiana, USA.
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>>680037540
This exactly.
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>>680036219
Implying that you think that I have any respect for the pagan idol worshipping murderous Catholic Church. I life is not your to decide if it is worth allowing to live.. who are you the almighty? There are rules to live by, the if followed.. make the need for abortion non existant. Yet we choose to ignore gods guidance and live like savages and self important fools
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The problem with abortion is that it's highly destructive for society. If a woman aborts a man's child and the man doesn't agree, the man will resent her, he will hate her. If a mother already has children and will have an abortion, her children might resent her for killing their potential sibling. This destroys families, causes a lot of hate and mistrust, and you end up with an entire society ruined by hate and sadness. point and case: African-Americans. If the blacks started building their families probably, they wouldn't be in such shit. If the black women wouldn't abort so much, maybe black men wouldn't leave them alone to be old single mothers.

>>680037540
You have the perfect view on abortion. Thank you for your post.
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>>680037540
what happens if the guy is kept in the dark?
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>>680037735
"They" will never experience anything. No suffering.
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>>680037831
>I'm gay and will 'never' have sex with a woman
you just described 70% of /b/
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>>680026446
Abortion should only be available if the victim got pregnant due to rape and/or her life is in danger due to the unborn child
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>>680026446
>Do you support abortion?
Yes, though I consider it repugnant and I'm only pro choice because enforcing a ban would be a greater evil.

>Where are you from and what kind of family were you brought up in?
Upper midwest, shitty broken home.

>If you do support abortion, is there any specific circumstances you do or don't think it should be allowed?
I'm not even sure I'm against exposing infants like the romans did.

I also think men should be allowed "legal abortion", so men can walk away from an accidental pregnancy just like a woman can. Fair's fair.
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>>680027288
Fucking underrated kek. Thanks anon!
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>>680037831
If you're gay, than shut the fuck up. This obviously does not concern you.
I thought you said you're from South Africa.
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Abortion oh you mean recreational murder
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>>680037165
Even though I understand why you'd think that's a good solution, I can't agree with it.

This is simply not a matter to be handled by any other party than each individual for themselves. It's the freedom of every single individual in this world to choose whether they want to have kids or not.

Not everyone has the same values or fall into the same category of a "good/smart/whatever"-person, according to your values, that you seem to deem as the only people who should be allowed to reproduce. That kind of thinking is just sickening to tell the truth.
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>>680036578

Funny how nobody answers this guy. Nobody wants to say yes, nobody wants to say no. ... oh wait... this is 4chan... You idiot, nobody here is married (happily).
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>>680026446
>don't think it should be allowed?
past the third month it shouldn't be
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>>680026446
I support abortion. Plain and simple. However if it becomes outlawed I'm not going to be butthurt about it.
Brought up in a left-ish middle class house in the Midwest.
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>>680037292
Then it should be fine on its own. So why force a woman to carry a perfectly capable human being inside her?
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>>680038177
You're welcome.
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>>680038322
Happily married anon here, we've experienced an abortion once and under those circumstances would have one again
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>>680033342
>he'll annihilate your fetus
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>>680031452
Tbhi just love killing babies b4 they're born.
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>>680038031
To be honest I didn't think of that. I guess the same thing as when the mother herself doesn't realize what's going on until it's too late. He is stuck with it.

Perhaps there could be a law to enforce pregnancy tests (since DNA tests are also enforced on fathers in some places). Or perhaps there could be a possibility of a binding and public legal document stating that you refuse any child within this time frame. I dunno, just throwing out ideas.
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>>680026446
no except if the mothers life is in danger or the baby would die after being born
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I absolutely support abortion/pro-choice. In fact, I think abortion should be mandatory in some cases, and the women/men sterilized.
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>>680026446
>Do you support abortion?

Nope.
Abortion means killing an innocent baby.

I support death penalty, for proven guilty adults.

Babies (foetuses) are always innocent.
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>>680036578
Of course I would you fucking piece of shit? Would you kill it, you imbecile? Would you also kill an orphan who wants to live in your house?

I've never said this to anybody, but I sincerely wait for you to die. The world would be a much better place without gross shits like you. You are disgusting, a vile rotten piece of shit.

>>680038322
What?
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>>680029400

you niggagayretardqueer are alive and can even write on /b/ because you weren't aborted.
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>>680038223
So what you're saying is... you can only have an opinion on something if you're directly related to the situation?

I guess I can't:
Tell whether food is good or not since I'm not a cook.
Have an opinion on clothes since I'm not a designer.
Vote for president anymore since I'm not directly related to the presidency.

It looks like you just invalidated ~99% of all opinions in the world.

You also probably mixed me up with some other person.
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>>680026446
YOU'RE A WHITE MALE!
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>>680026446
I guess I should answer your other questions as well, OP.

I'm from Georgia, and was brought up by a pretty...'chill' family, I guess, with the exception of my bio-dad's side of the family, which is mainly comprised of borderline xenophobic Bible-thumpers. You know, your stereotypical Southern Black Baptist types, who actually believe we're always in "the End Times" and that any day now, trees are going to start walking around and multi-headed dogs with horns are going to come out of the ground.

Abortion should be allowed/mandatory especially when a woman can't even provide for herself, yet keeps having bastard children. Men who cannot/will not take care of their children, and have 2 or more, should be sterilized.
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>>680038373
> leftish
*feminist beta cuck
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>>680026446
I support abortion. I mean if a female was to suck a dick until the guy came it would be cannabilism
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>>680038310
>It's the freedom of every single woman in this world to choose whether they want to have kids or not.
ftfy

Men's only options in reproductive freedom are unreliable condoms or the knife.

They can even be legally obliged to support another man's child financially.
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>>680038322
Funny you don't respond back to this guy>>680038943 Is it because you're a laughable coward?
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>>680031452
Would you rather they die before they even realize they're alive, or suffer through a life of abuse and neglect from a parent who most likely didn't want them, and then commit suicide anyways?
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>>680026446
I'm pretty much OK with the law in the US as it stands today. Pretty wealthy family and not very religious here in NE USA. I mean, I would never have my wife get an abortion unless the kid was going to be a retard or something. BUt if some random slut wants to vacuum some cells out of her pussy, fine by me....I honestly dont think a fetus is really a 'life' until its formed enough to survive outside the mother.
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>>680030883

the woman was raped by the rapist, not by the baby.

kill the rapist (after adequately torturing him), keep the baby alive.
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>>680039334
thats what happens when you give women rights, they start killing their babys and taking away the rights of those who built up the society they live in
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>>680039571
this
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>>680029999
>>680030000

check'd
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>>680036559
The whole human race is parasites you douche nozzle
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>>680039334
Start living in 2016 please. Anyone can have a kid thesedays. You don't even need to be in a relationship with a woman. You can just do it all in a laboratory and simply have the woman carry your child until it's born.

Sure, I agree men are discriminated against in this area a lot, but that was not what I was debating about.
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>>680039571
so the women should endure 9 months of pregnancy then childbirth and then raising a baby fathered by the man that raped her because of your religious beliefs? You sound like a cool dude, we should party sometime
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>>680039115
Since you will never fuck a girl and potentially get her pregnant the topic of child suport after an unwanted pregnancy does not concern you. So, stop being a jerk. It's not cute.
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>>680026446
No it's horrible, also masturbation is genocide
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>>680026446
Yes, I support reproductive rights including abortion rights. Brought up on east coast USA. Parents divorced at young age, lived with mother, visited father regularly.

I don't have strong views about specific circumstances. Don't really support restrictions on it at all but some types of restrictions at the latest stage could be acceptable, or not.

I also think people confuse this issue a lot by conflating the idea of moral disaproval with the idea of criminalization. There are all kinds of things different people might feel are immoral but that doesn't mean all those things should be illegal. That someone personally thinks abortion is immoral is not alone a good argument for making it illegal.

I personally don't consider it immoral because i do not accept the common anti-abortion premise that a fertilized egg is a "person" equivalent to you or me and capable of "rights". That is sophistry. We distinguish all the time between, for example, children and adults, and do not accord them the same rights precisely because they are different stages of development. The difference between a zygote or fetus and a child is far greater than that and it is pure nonsense to pretend they are equivalents.
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>>680034273
>I think it should be avoided when then fetus develops a central nervous system

amerifaggot claims to measure the development of a central nervous system -- as if it decides if you are a developing human being or a turd.

what a latinameriturd mongoloid.
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>>680039738
>literally going against natural instinct of preservation

you're a defective human faggot, your opinion doesn't matter, kill yourself

>inb4 hurr durr anti abortionist said kill yourself, hypocrite hurr durr
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>>680034274

don't forget that condoms are less than 100% effective.

the only way to be sure to not get your gf/wife pregnant is abstinence.
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Making abortion illegal can not stop it from happening, it can only stop it from happening safely. You either suport abortion, or you think some women deserve the coat hangar. There is no in between.
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>>680040347
b-b-but thats what assholes are for
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>>680039739
Single male surrogacy might be a thing in a decade, but not right now.

To have a child with only his name on the birth certificate, a man can expect to pay $100k plus for surrogacy + egg donor. And even then there are cases where the surrogate backed out of the deal and wanted to keep the child. As soon as it becomes accessible to men, you can count on feminists lobbying to make it illegal.

Meanwhile any single woman can buy a shot of cum from a sperm bank for a few thousand dollars.
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>>680026446
I'm pro-abortion. Not pro-choice. The more abortions the better. Seriously, anyone that would want it, shouldn't have a kid. We have plenty of people in this world. These unwanted kids are like fucking stray cats of society. Un-nutrured and lacking moral compass.

Religious opinions can fuck off. I'm not even playing into that shit.

Also: the fucking pic is an inaccurate piece of propaganda.

sorted.
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>>680040429
Good one.
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>>680040054
What? How am I being a jerk?

I have male friends who could get put into that situation and without laws to protect them, they may have their life destroyed.

Are you a feminist, or what? You're trying to invalidate my opinion without even trying to understand my point of view.
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Be me 13 walking home after school.

Suddenly bully walks out of the corner almost like he was waiting for me he eyes me and says: hey anon where's the rest of your friends ?

Realize that I don't have anyone to help me fend the fucker off. He's a junior in high school and hangs out with the wrestling team he doesn't wrestle but he still built like he does and I'm at least three feet shorter than the guy and pretty scrawny.

Me: there in the drugstore buying some food.(he smiles)

Bully: no they're not I just got out of there your alone.

Me: what's your fucking point ?

Bully: That means no one is around to help your chicken shit ass.

He moves towards me I fucking book it scared that he might beat the shit outta me.

Get cornered under a bridge out of breath out of places to run/hide fan-fucking-tastic

Throw my backpack at him and try to make a run for it.

He grabs me and throws me against the wall (oh shit oh shit oh shit)

Jaw hits the wall hurts like a bitch he starts punching me in the ribs and knocking me upside the head.

Then I hear his pants unzip (wtf) wait what's he's doing ?!

He pulls down mine and starts to violate me all while I scream and yell stop ! And get the fuck off me ! I claw at him I felt so fucking weak.

I try to fight him off but end up breaking my wrist.

Bully: shut the fuck up ! stop fighting !

I hyperventilate as the pain nearly subsides and he finishes I go limp on the ground and kicks me in the groin.

Bully: Listen you little shit if you tell anyone I'll go to your house when your not home and murder your fucking dog.

I lay there holding my wrist scared out of my mind that he might come back and kill me .He leaves I wait an hour later then pick my shit up and start limping home as fast as I could.
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>>680026446
>Do you support abortion?
Yes
>Where are you from and what kind of family were you brought up in?
Born in Germany, raised in Latin America. Most relatives are religious nutjobs.

If you do support abortion, is there any specific circumstances you do or don't think it should be allowed?
Nah I'm all for it. Don't want it, don't have it. Plain and simple.
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>>680034425

in my country there's the right to refuse to recognize the baby - it's an administrative thing, thus you can refuse your baby even if science could prove it's actually yours.

that said, our country kills more than 120,000 babies every year -- in less than 30 years we had more almost six millions babies killed.

but the Abortion Shoah does not have the same support granted to the Jews' Shoah
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>>680040668
/b/ is basically reddit nowadays. Just ignore the retards.
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>>680040347
dont forget there are several methods of contraception you can use not just condoms.

>spermicide
>condoms
>birth control pills (100% effective if youre not a retard and use them properly)
>femidoms
>female implant (100% effective)
>tubes tied (100% effective)
>vasectomy (100% effective)
>an injection into the males genitalia (100% effective)
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>>680034560

then 3 rapists should get killed, and 3 babies should be saved and given to adoption structures.
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>>680040771
What's the point of your story? That if your mom aborted your pathetic ass the bully wouldn't have a target?
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>>680040668
You can't be serious. Jesus, I didn't think I would enconter a guy like you in a conversation.
You want laws to ptotect guys to not pay child support?
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>>680026446
yep, its great for the females difnitty to get a living being pulled out of you.

From the Netherlands. divorced parents but happy and free of speach
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>>680040461
>If you do support abortion, is there any specific circumstances you do or don't think it should be allowed?

My bad. Yeah, I do think we should allow abortions at kindergarten. Up until then, it's okay. Once the little thing has friends and stuff we should start to treat it like a human.
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>>680030009
>I think everyone in my life would be happier if I was aborted.

why should you make "happier" everyone?

why are you still there, and not in another country where a happier life is waiting for you and them?
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>>680040955
Yep, and there are no orphans anywhere because every single unwanted kid given up for adoption or abandoned gets snapped up, right?
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>>680028442
look at this fucking faggot.
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I think in some cases like rape if they girl is impregnanted or if a woman rapes a boy and is impregnanted than it should be allowed, other than that and maybe niggers, nope. You fucked them, deal with it. No sob stories you cunts.
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If the baby has disablities and or she was raped, then yes. But in every other case no.
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>>680037165
>I think that everyone should be sterilized from birth with some sort of injection that turns off your ovaries/testicles and makes you essentially infertile.

OMG my PENILE WEINER can't get hard anymore, even ingesting all the VIAGRACIALIS pills I had !!
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>>680041437
He's right though.
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>>680031833
Abortion is medical treatment.
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>ITT Americans
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>>680033342
this so fucking much, everyone who isn't in the top 10% in society (so physically healty, smart, good looks, mentally healty) preferably polymath. shouldn't be allowed to reproduce, and all fetuses who have a genetic defect should be removed/destroyed.

It would also solve the world over population.

>inb4 you consider yourself elite

no I don't and I wouldn't have any fucking problems with it if everyone would do the same.
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Wipe them out. All of them.
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>>680029400
This.
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>>680028442
100% correct! Quoting this all life long
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>>680041177
If the woman is still in early stages of pregnancy and the man doesn't want the baby but the woman refuses to abort it, then the man shouldn't be held accountable for the womans decision.

You could also look at another situation which, under your opinion, would be treated the same:

You have a vindictive/crazy woman who drugs a man and steals his sperm, she then impregnates herself and continues to demand child support.

The man has no proof of what she did, and with the way it stands right now, the man would be forced to support the child/woman.

In a perfect world a condom would be just fine, but in reality, we need laws to protect everyone.
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>>680029976
Don't you have some threads bashing atheism to make?
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I support abortion only when it is putting the mother at risk.

The only reason besides this that people want to have an abortion is either A) they don't think about adoption or B) they don't want to wreck their bodies.

You decided to fuck, you're stuck with the bill.
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>>680034567
So you're in favor of forced pregnancy?
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I am not pro-life, or pro-choice. I am pro abortion!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWE_M0CX9So
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>>680026446
I am for the right to have an abortion under some conditions.

I guess you are from the US, where you always have this all-or-nothing mentality.

in germany you can abort until 12 weeks (which is plenty of time to figur out that you are pregnant and what you want to do), everything much later >20 weeks is not ok in my opinion (except when its retarded or the mother is in danger).

Happy abortions!
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>>680041703
Settle down there, Dr. Mengle
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I used to be pro life now I am pro choice because I am okay with people who are against Capital punishment or self defense weapons killing those little fucking criminals before they even "know what it be on the streets"

I come from an unwelcoming home and personally survived the coat hanger and the floaxatiene if I conceive a life I'm going to raise it to be a good person and do better than I while all the monkeys kill their babies and have more unprotected sex and die off in time. I also think that post birth abortions should be a thing imagine! Sevena elleveniqua steals a bike and trys to cut her classmate one led pill later and problem solved!

What if Obama's mom got to choose? Magnificent!
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>>680027584
I'd love to see a video of this.
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>>680040039

women should endure 9 months of pregnancy because the baby is innocent.

after giving birth, she should decide if keeping the baby or giving it for immediate adoption.

add some government support for raped women, and add torture plus death penalty for rapists.

note that "raped women abortions" are way less than one per cent of total abortions.

you queergay retardfaggots always forget that most abortions are from careless underaged sluttywhores.
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>>680040099
>I personally don't consider it immoral because i do not accept the common anti-abortion premise that a fertilized egg is a "person" equivalent to you or me and capable of "rights". That is sophistry. We distinguish all the time between, for example, children and adults, and do not accord them the same rights precisely because they are different stages of development. The difference between a zygote or fetus and a child is far greater than that and it is pure nonsense to pretend they are equivalents.

This. DNA is not the only thing that makes a human being.
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>>680040429

hey, turdfaggot, shitholes are only meant for emitting shit and farts.
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You fucked up, you face the consequences. The only time abortion is acceptable is if the mother faces serious risk of death without it.

Adopt the kid away, but it doesn't deserve to be ripped apart and destroyed because you can't close your legs.

In the case of rape, I still feel adoption is the answer. Ripping the fetus out of your womb isn't going to make you feel better.

Short of banning abortion, I feel that those seeking a non-medically required abortion should have to wait at least 72 hours and watch a video of what an abortion looks like. That shit is fucked up.
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>>680042429
when I've this discussion with my gf or parents they just call me hitler till I stop.

so I kek'd pretty hard, thx dude
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>>680026446
I think their should be a punch card system or something, like once you get a certain amount they just sterilize you.
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>>680040417
>Making abortion illegal can not stop it from happening, it can only stop it from happening safely.

well, this is way better.
You want to kill the baby? then remember that the procedure may kill you.

today State-backed abortion is almost totally seen as a "very late contraception" method.
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>>680027045
Agreed, I'm okay with it but when bitches start using it like birth control it's a problem.
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Well. Bible sais how to treat something similiar to abortion.

Book of Exodus:
22“If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely[e] but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows.

See? Fetus died, but it's not a murder (which was punished with death penalty). Just some health damage, so offender must pay some money, and that's all. Bible sais truth. Follow the Biblie! ;)
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>>680029976
Things that make life shit for others are okay to kill, like terrorists, murderers, bugs, feminists, viruses and parasites AKA fetuses.
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>>680041177
That is not what he is saying.

He wants to cover the following situation:

1. Guy has sex with some girl
2. Girl gets pregnant for what ever reason(sometimes even through manipulation of condoms)
3. Girl does not tell him or does not want to abort
4. Guy is fucked and has to pay for a child he never wanted

His solution would led to this result:

1. Guy has sex with girl
2. Girl gets pregnant for what ever reason(sometimes even through manipulation of condoms)
3. Girl does not tell him or does not want to abort
4. Guy is not fucked because he is not forced to pay for a child he never wanted

I don´t think his solution is bad at all.
It just prevents a few women, that try to stick to a guys money for a living from doing so.
The situation would be perfectly balanced for male and female.

On the other hand the women is never forced do do something to her body or child she does not want:
She wants to keep it in every case? She pays. Not forced to abort.
She wants to abort? Also possible
He does not want the child? She can decide between keeping it and paying or aborting it
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>>680040461
>The more abortions the better.

go back to rèddit, sandnigger or nignog.

we all know that the most aborting people are whites.
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>>680026446
I think t's fucked up, but I have no say in the matter. However it just shows how cheap human life is.
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>>680043111
Exactly.
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>>680043078
The bible is full of stupid shit. This is why I don't read it.
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>>680042989
That's such bullshit. The amount of women who use abortions as contraception are so fucking low, and I know for a fact that if you get an abortion at planned parenthood they give you a free choice in birth control to prevent it happening again.
It's not just a walk in the park where you get that little sucker plucked out and go on your merry way, it's a miserable experience that is incredibly difficult.
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The faggots that want to make it illegal don't offer to raise the kid. The one wanting to abort obviously doesn't want it.

Kid's better off dead imo, not like it'll remember being aborted.
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>>680042516
>Muh edge
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>>680026446
Abortion shouldn't be allowed in case of rape. Other than that it's fine as is.
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>>680034567
Dude, that's because a pregnant woman doesn't choose to get murdered. the reason why its double murder is because the fetus, which is represented by the mother until uterine eviction, nor the mother get the choice.

Like many cases where a life is considered there but unable to communicate, the closest person to them is given power of attorney. the person with power of attorney can choose to end the life of their charge.

And before you say 'get rid of power of attorney', remember that if you ended up as a vegetable and power of attorney didn't exist, that person will be expected to take care of you regardless of their financial solvency, or they could face imprisonment.
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I'm pro abortion because, killing kids!

But I'm also against it, because I don't like women to have a choice..
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>>680043458
He was being sarcastic. Use context.
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>>680026446

The greatest question is if you support others having the right to have an abortion, not if you "support abortion", as that evades the issue.

The truth is - Abortions are going to happen either way. And many "good christian pro-life" families have had them, some multiple times... just illegaly and hidden away to avoid the public shame.

Legalizing abortion in the vast majority of places has actually made it much harder to get illegal abortions done so there's more safety, more honesty and, over time, less social stigma about it.

In practice, it's a good thing to allow those who need it.. to do it.

The abortion itself is something most humans hate and are against.. unless they need one performed.

I support it despite being mostly conservative because freedom is key to the US. If you're stupid enough to need an abortion you should. And I should have a gun in case you enter my home and I feel like dumping some rounds on your ass.
Same thing with most drugs - Let them be legal so they can be taxed for the greater good and the idiots who take them get their health and lives rekt.

Freedom > Anything.
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>>680041991
>we need laws to protect everyone
This seems to be more about you feeling victimized living as a gay man in Louisiana, maybe?
Anyway, you sound overly paranoid and misogynic. I normally don't encounter people like you. Rather interesting.
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>>680031833
wellcome to 4chan, most of the people here is a killer or have some rare/strange fetish
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>>680043402
>The amount of women who use abortions

you are talking statistics.

as every fuckin' pro-choice/pro-abortion jerk, you forget that you are claiming the right to kill a baby, and concentrate on frivolous arguments.
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>>680042516
You missed the most important step.
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I support early abortion (first two months). I think many parents aren't ready for the responsibility of raising a child, and we have an increasing population that's going to become a significant problem in the next 50 years. I don't have a problem with abortion in the first couple of months as the baby isn't fully formed and it is better for the child overall to not be brought up by poor parents in a low-income household, to possibly be abandoned or mistreated, deprived of a real chance in life. Past the first trimester I think it's completely wrong.
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>>680043078

I have found more proper translation.

If people, when brawling, hurt a pregnant woman and she suffers a miscarriage but no further harm is done, the person responsible will pay compensation as fixed by the woman's master, paying as much as the judges decide.
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>>680043110
literally ask any mother and 99% of them will tell you their child is the most precious and valued thing in their life and they wouldnt trade it for anything. youre delusional faggot
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>>680042516
You're not supposed to break the unborn! It's this new massage technique. Look it up.
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>>680043652
Let them have it illegally. They're punishment will be sepsis and death from a shitty botched back ally abortion.
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Yes one less welfare baby from a bitch that's never heard of protection
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>>680043111
Were you aborted?
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>>680043767
Victimized for being gay in Louisiana? Ever hear of the french quarter? Not once in my life have I had a problem.

I'm misogynistic and paranoid for wanting equality? That's new.

The more you talk, the more you sound like a extreme feminist.
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>>680042804
So your logic is that if the mothers in danger it's ok, but it's not ok if you know from the start that the child will be raised poor and neglected.

So you can get an abortion if it's to protect the mother but not if it's to spare the child who isn't even consious.
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>>680043856
And as a pro-life person you can't understand that we simply don't see it as a baby.
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>>680044239
Sure. Thats why i am talking to you.
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>>680043974
Except all the millions of mothers who aborted their babies, lol.
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>do you support abortion
Hell yeah
>where are you from and what kind of family were you brought up in
San Francisco, raised by my hardworking, honest, single mother
>any specific circumstances you do or don't think it should be allowed?
When you're too far along to do anything about it. Anything after 4 months is too late and bitches be thinking it's okay to drink and smoke and do crazy shit hoping for a miscarriage. At that point, look into adoption.
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