Military thread. Can anyone here tell me about the Navy? What's it like? Also let's just say that I have depression and tried to kill myself last year. Can they find out? Can't I just lie? Will they check my medical records?
>>675534342
Yes they can/will check your med records. Also if LE was involved it'll definitely come up. The bigger thing is the military won't "solve" your problems, bring order onto your life or make things easier. Your life gets harder when youre in.
>>675535012
What's LE?
Dont join the military with a messed up mind. It will mess you up even further. Also, when the time comes people will depend on you. Dont be that guy and be the weakest link and put everyone's lives at risk.
Yes, they will find out. Also, when they do, you'll not only get kicked out, but they will throw the books at you.
>>675535168
Law Enforcement
You want to kill people for money? You can do this even without army. Stupid question tbh
>>675536046
>stupid response tbh
>>675536167
yeah, like trying to take your own life? Don't think so.
>>675536619
So edgy
>>675536619
If you tried to kill yourself don't sign up. You'll be stuck on a boat for like 7 months and probably flip out because your a little bitch.
>>675536717
man, i'm just honest. Just don't join the army and get your life together. I know it's so easy to say it just like that, but i have been in similar situation myself.
>>675534342
Enlist in the Marines.
>that way you'll really get to kill shit
>>675534342
>Can anyone here tell me about the Navy?
Yes. It's literally like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu-iY7cw
>>675537237
I appreciate the honesty. I just have no where else to go, I can't afford college, and so a friend of mine told me about the military and thought this might be my chance. I know it sounds stupid.
>>675534342
Leaving to be an AV in September. They'll check your everything, do not lie about anything. Do you take any meds?
If I had a single seizure last June, what are the chances they'd ever let me serve?
>>675538019
No I don't take any. I took some for about 2-3 months after my attempt but I stopped taking them because I felt I didn't need them anymore.
>>675537547
>Enlist in the Marines.
If you want to be surrounded by fags
>>675534342
>Will they check my medical records?
yes
you will be barred from military service
sign on to a merchant marine company (trans-oceanic freight)
being a suicidal nut job is almost a requirement
part of the "they'll all go crazy so just send the crazies" mentality
>>675538521
If you've been off meds for a year (I think?) you should be good. If not you will have to wait a specific time. Just call a recruiter and tell em any legal or medically documented issues
>>675538940
Will I really be barred? So there's like no chance of me making it into the military?
>>675534342
I'm currently in the US Navy and yes it has a lot of opportunities and shit but they're right, you shouldn't join with depression. At my barracks some kid hung himself in the room next to mine, apparently he was fucked up before he joined, and the MTIs knew and did shit to try and help him, but I guess it didn't help. The military is a very stressful environment in many aspects that can be hard to handle mentally.
>>675539469
And Yes they will try to see if you have a past with depression, anxiety, and self harm.
Nah, Navys fun.
Is there a grace period between taking meds and enlisting? Let's say I'm taking depression meds, Xanax, and an antipsychotic, but don't take them for over a year. Will they take me if I'm clean for over a year?
>>675535168
Lobster endorsement
>>675541213
Likely, probably not. Since You have theses meds on your medical record, they'll either question the shit out of you, or just not even take you at all. The farthest you'd probably make it is MEPS before they'll drop ya. I've had guys pulled from boot because they used an inhaler once when they where 4. Then again my friend was on antidepressants for a few years, got over it and now he's in the air National Guard.
>>675541213
Question: Is their any medical/police record of that suicide attempt, If so that'll probably be a deal breaker.
>>675541213
If you got back to your doctor that prescribes you meds and get him to write a statement saying you're no longer dependent on them/no longer suffer from whatever is causing you to take meds it'll help out a lot
>joining the navy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58QOBqAWNzE
>>675537237
Marines or Army? I think I'd be too beta to join the Marines.
>>675534342
I think this works much better
streamboobs.com
If you really want in on a army you always have the french foreign legion if your willing to go that far, doubt they will be as harsh as the army in your home country
>>675534342
Army Recruiter and Non Commissioned Officer. Don't join Anon. The short answer is no, they won't find out. When it comes to your Criminal History we find out everything, but we only know what you tell us when it comes to medical.
That said, this isn't a career for anyone with any type of behavioral or mental health issues. I know, not you - you're special and different I'm sure. Thing is, those issues will resurface. Either when you body or mind needs a break, or when you find out its convenient for you.
I've seen it over and over again.
>>675543466
Army is a joke
>>675537913
well if you want to do something with your life it's either join the Mage's Guild
>graduate school
or the Fighter's Guild
>military
I lot of guys I've met who weren't great at school either chose or wanted to go into the military because they thought it would make something of their life. To me it's a guarntee to getting a government job because of the veteran's preference, but yeah get ready to knell and suck your superior officer's dick cause that's what you will be doing for 4 years otherwise you go to military prison, or worse get discharge without recommendation and never find a job.
>>675543466
marines if you want respect from civilians
army if you want respect from yourself
Its not that bad, get on a ship and go on deployment
>>675543218
I'm at school training to be an AM, those guys in green on the flight deck there. Fixing the airframe, hydraulics, and flight control.
>>675541213
Yes. Grace period of one year. However, you will need all treatment records and a letter from your current health care provided taking responsibility for your current state by issuing a clean bill of health in his "Professional medical opinion"
With that said, it's a long shot. Regulation dictates often the "Cans" and Can Nots" however, the Dr's operate in the grey area that allows them to make suitability judgement calls and they go completely unchecked.
>>675542954
There is none. Even though I am suicidal I do not say anything about it to my doctors. Don't wanna deal with whatever bullshit might come along with that
Honestly whether they might find out is largely dependent on whether or not you have a security clearance. No clearance: they know what you tell them. Top secret: they will interview people about you and it could come out. But if you have cutting scars or some shit don't even try. Also, navy is for fags. Go be a paratrooper or some shit.
>>675543030
>>675543030
Yeah, but you still need to wait a year. I'm working on a pack for Army OCS. I was diagnosed (by a general practitioner, not a psychiatrist or anything) with symptoms of anxiety (due to other factors in my life) and briefly put on an SSRI. No other aggravating factors (suicide/self harm attempts, harming others, etc.). Of course, it didn't help, and actually made my life worse, so I was quickly taken off and now have a letter from the prescribing doctor saying I no longer need the medication and that it may have been a misdiagnosis (in that I likely never needed it). Unfortunately, I still need to wait for the 1 year period.
That's my biggest issue. I'm sure that when I get to MEPS I'll need to disclose some light, experimental, recreational drug activity 3-6 years ago, but from my understanding this won't be an issue.
>>675544532
The help that comes along with that is more than likely the help that you need.
You will not find that help here. I repeat, your mental weakness will not be embraced, and the moment you mention a history of it prior to your enlistment the Military can and will cut ties with no long term compensation ( you didn't deserve any anyways) and declare your enlistment fraudulent.
>>675544532
Even so, suicide is a more than common thing in the military including the Navy. If you're having problems dealing with the stress and challenges of "civilian" life the service is NOT the place to go.
>>675544097
well what other branch can I join that has the least political bullshit?
>>675544003
This.
>>675535450
No they don't...they don't have to...a dishonerable discharge is a whole load of damage just unto itself...
>>675545797
Well that is up to you and what you put into it. The military is like an investment, you will either come out broke if you do the minimum or it will be a key to a better job. Just don't get married while in and volunteer for everything that you can, make your life easy
This maybe off topic,but would any military branch preferably in the combat field accept me if I have degenerative disc?
>>675546231
You motherfuckers have no idea what you're talking about.
>>675545797
pic is true of all services
Join the marines.
> If you join the navy, everyone will assume you were a fucking electrician
> If you join the Marines, you can be a fucking electrician and people will still think you're a fucking hard ass motherfucker war machine
oorah devil dog
>>675546624
Nope, you will get support or desk jobs
>>675546922
You don't even get to pick your fucking job in the Marines, they pick it for you. Everyone thinks they're going to be a bad ass kicking doors and pushing rounds down range until the find out they're scrambling mother fucking eggs for 4 years.
If you sign a contract with any branch of service without maximizing what little bit of leverage you have these days your a god damned retard. Thankfully, the marines depend on retards and America has an ample supply.
>>675546922
And still get to live on one of these
1) Join Navy
2) Train as Navy Diver (Salvage, Hard Hat, Sat)
3) Leave Navy
4) Go to work for Oil Company offshore rigs.
5) Make Bank ($80-120k a year)
6) Live in exotic lands, fuck exotic women.
What else is there?
>>675545383
>you didn't deserve any anyways
so basically the military is like affirmative action for chads?
What kind of opprotunities are available to a guy with a degree in international relations/Spanish language, and has taken 2 years of Arabic? I want to join the navy.
>>675546991
Holy shit you have no idea what you're talking about. Medical standards apply to everyone equally in each branch of service, with the exception of an Airborne physical.
AR 40-501. Look it up. Degenerative disc disease "does not meet the standard"
Whatever you do, OP, don't fuck up and washout.
>>675547281
All the branches are like that, they take into account your ASVAB score (score better get more options), your physical (less flaws more options), and job quotas
>>675534342
Well, I know that in the Navy you can find pleasure, search the world for treasure, learn science technology and begin to make all your dreams come true. Basically, you sail the seven seas and put your mind at ease.
>>675547663
You can go in as an Officer.
That's all that matters. Take whatever assignments will allow you to progress in rank.
Retire as Commander or Captain. Get paid 80k a year for doing shit.
That's what my buddy did. Wish I was smart enough to have stayed in like he did. Asshole now does whatever he wants at 48.
just read this entire thread and there's only one guy here that knows what he's talking about
>>675534342
fucking stupid dogshit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihteP9fZKZ0
>>675547900
Can you retake the asvab? I took that shit in high school and didn't even pay attention to it. Fuck me for being a fag in high school.
>>675547900
NO they're not. I am a god damned Recruiter. This has been my fucking job for the last 2 1/2 years.
You're entire contribution is flawed.
>>675548155
Yes. It's good for 2 years. However, once you have a qualifying score (for any job) you are not authorized a retake.
Remember one key phrase
>it's not gay if it's under way
>>675547900
I've enlisted in the USCG, my OS is going to be aviation mechanic.
>>675547844
Boot is too easy, now if you want a SEAL contract then you might wash out guaranteed
>>675548314
Hey, if you're a recruiter, can you tell me something?
I washed out in 2008 from the Army's AIT. I had a 'personality/adjustment disorder,' and was given an RE-3 with separation code JFX. I tried to reenlist into the Navy, but the recruiter left halfway through the process.
Do I have any hope of ever being able to reenlist? I'll even go 18X if I have to.
>>675548536
Fucking Coast guard. I'd say thanks for serving your country - but it'd be tough to get out without laughing. Someone has to do it I guess.
>>675547714
That means I won't be able to get in either way right?
>>675548552
>Boot is too easy
Doesn't change the shame I feel.
>>675534342
I'm on an Air Force base right now. I share barracks with the Navy, all I can say is, go navy. I went marines and I don't regret it, but given I was able to do it over, I'd go navy. Awesome duty stations, sea or shore duty is dope (depending on your rate), navy chicks are dtf, and the NCO's (E4 and up) are way more relaxed than any other NCO's I've ever met. Don't worry about your medical shit. NO means NEW opportunities. YES means Your Enlistment Stops.
>>675548942
Fuck off USCG is the only branch that does what it does. Besides, the navy flies the Coast Guard flag when they're boarding ships in foreign waters.
OP HERE! So am I better off not mentioning that I made an attempt on my life, or should I just tell the truth and be honest?
>>675548942
Rescue squadrons are the shir though
>>675548827
Technically yes, but you'll require a waiver and RE-3 Waivers are really difficult to get right now. Not to mention you'd need all medical documents through discharge, post service treatment records, release from current health care provider, and more than likely prescription records for the last 5 years.
The type of job you'd like or be willing to take carries no weight what so ever, the medical hurdle must be crossed first, then the waiver, then jobs come into question.
I'd say it's very unlikely though.
>>675549401
Go in there like Captain America, and don't say shit unless they ask you. If you're allergic to shrimp and/or peanuts, don't say you are.
>>675548942
They get deployed overseas to the middle east in places like Bahrain and some go through Navy SEAL School
>>675548964
For the Army specifically, no.
>>675549723
Damn. Maybe I could ask Obama to just wipe all of my records.
>>675549401
You should listen to the anon and not enlist at all.
>>675549401
Why don't you stop being a quitter and show that Navy recruiter you mean business by finishing what you started
>>675547281
That's every branch. If you enlist, the ASVAB is used for determining where to place you. Strangely enough, (in the army at least) 11x (infantry) isn't where they put the lowest scorers like you'd think from tv. Turns out that infantry is actually where they put some of the highest scoring people. Cook is where they put the lowest scorers.
>>675547950
That's what I'm working on doing now. I'm going Army (first choice, if I don't get accepted to Army OCS I'd go Navy or Air Force (depending on who accepts me)) and want to work in either Military Intelligence or Chemical, Biological, Nuclear, Radiological. My plan is to try out for special forces (though, being a realist I understand it's unlikely because of how intense and selective it is). Unfortunately, no other branch has units that work like Army special forces do. I mean Navy has SEALs and Air Force has the 24th STS (but I think that's JSOC), but those are like Army Rangers where the mission is focused on direct assault/providing cover for JSOC units like Delta and Seal Team 6 instead of the advisory role that special forces plays.
>>675549848
Bahrain, kek. Fucking resort.
SEAL School? GTFO.
>>675541482
my sides
>>675549848
>pro tip: don't attempt to climb rigging while drunk
don't join the military OP, just get a fucking job. the military is for fags.
>>675550157
Dude. I help applicant picks jobs every fucking day. The Army is the ONLY Branch that lets you pick your own job, before you ever even go to Meps to raise your right hand and swear in. This is by design, to give us an advantage in recruiting as we must supply 50% of the force.
Kick ass, you're in the Army. Welcome to the family. I've been in for 10 years. Thanks for telling me how we do our job.
>>675550157
Nigga AF has Pedros, those mofos are T1
>>675550255
>Hazard pay
>Imminent Danger pay
>Pay for this
>Pay for that
Bahrain is fucking sweet, chilling in the sandbox, getting paid although I think things are a little different with the riots they were having
was badass once...not so much now
>>675550817
To piggy back this your ASVAB score has absolutely no bearing on your job what so ever, that's determined by your line score.
When you enlist your choices are dependant on
1. What you actually qualify to do, and
2. What's available at the time you enlist.
We don't put anyone anywhere. The applicant chooses his job. If you doesn't like what's there - he doesn't enlist. It's his fucking life.
Can someone list the pros and cons of each military branch?
>>675550992
Not knocking it, I know a buddy who went and they got fucking drink cards. Like 2 alcoholic drinks a day. Chilling out at the pool and shit. I'm just saying don't sell it as some actual fucking deployment.
>>675550157
In the Navy we have deck department for Undesignated sailors. Best place to be if you want to get in fast and rank up quick without all the waiting and A-schools but the work is hard and the watch scheduled is shit
>>675551353
Marines:
>pro: you're a marine
>con: you're going to live in shit holes
Navy
>pro: not a bad life, so long as you like boats
>cons: you're the marines bitch
Air force
>pro:...
>con: lol
Army
>Pro: not a bad life
>con: people see you as the weakest branch
Coast Guard
>pro: sweet life and you stay close to home
>con: hardly anyone appreciates you
>>675551353
No. A bunch of misinformed cucks can tell you what they think they know - but unless you've served in a specific branch, you have no idea what you're talking about.
This thread is literally filled with a whole bunch of faggots spewing nonsense.
>>675551353
Army
>most things to do, nice duty stations (usually), the backbone of the military
>hurry up and wait a lot, sometimes have to work for shitty NCOs
Air Force
>best duty stations, best pay, best jobs, best everything
>...can't really think of any cons
Navy
>you can travel anywhere, all the time, get shore leave, laid back branch, but extremely useful
>life on a ship can be pretty annoying/boring at times
Marines
>YOU A MARINE!!
>Work like a dog, worst pay, worst equipment, worst duty stations, literally nothing good will come out of it, other than the prestige of being a Marine
Coast Guard
>like Navy, but more so around the coasts
>you might go overseas, you might not. COAST Guard.
Not Op, but could I join the military with a student loan and credit card debt/ car loan? How does that work?
>>675551776
What do you mean about the air force?
>>675551541
And you have to shit in separate bathrooms from the Officers, cuz your low class fucking Seamen.
Kek.
>>675551974
Yes.
>>675548023
Who is that anon?
>>675551974
Credit only factors in when Security clearance factors in. The more debt you have the higher risk you are with sensitive information.
Get your shit together and pay your fucking bills.
>>675552617
the recruiter dude
>>675552183
Everybody does, officer's pecking order is worse than ours. Officers are more segregated among each other.
>>675552617
this guy
>>675552622
>>675534342
It's no secret in the Navy or any branch of the military that the things you've mentioned are definitely disqualifying. So on one hand a suicidal incident, diagnosed depression, and prescription medication, all chock up to be disqualifying factors. That's assuming you reveal those things during the enlistment process. On the other hand if you fail to disclose such information, especially information that you were/are both aware of being disqualifying or had explained to as being disqualifying beforehand and it comes up at a later date, that could lead to what's known as a fraudulent enlistment. This takes you down the road towards Non-Judicial Punishment and likely Administrative or Medical Separation due to a prior existing and disqualifying condition that you failed to disclose. That's assuming you actually made it into the service of your choice through the numerous screenings and interviews. If it ever came up during your enlistment process prior to actual enlistment you would just be informed of your ineligibility and barred from joining thereafter. You could certainly give it a try if you were sincere about joining; there are waivers for just about anything and depending on the time since your incident or if you've been medically evaluated cleared (clean bill of health) then there's certainly a chance you could still join. Just be prepared for the hard answer you won't want to hear. Your best point of contact would certainly be a Navy Recruiter as they deal with countless individuals from varying backgrounds. Otherwise most Navy Instructions are unclassified and available on the internet such as the MILPERSMAN and NAVMED instructions.
>>675552051
Missouri?
>>675552867
I know. My CO has a buddy in the Navy, he said the hierarchy is pretty crazy with you guys.
>>675553158
Wisconsin
>You will never fight in a glorious war for your country and come home a hero
>You will only babysit goat fuckers and try not to step on landmines
>>675547396
How about....
1) Join Air Force
2) Train as ATC or Radiologist
3) Leave Air Force
4) Go work for airport or hospital
5) Make Bank ($80-120k a year)
6) Live in US, fuck domestic women
7) LIVE A COMFORTABLE AIR CONDITIONED LIFE
>>675552622
I mean in the sense of paying them when you leave your job to join the military faggot.
>>675544003
Listen to this guy. 5 years in the infantry here, it won't make your life better magically. Have you even seen the suicide rate for veterans and active members? You give up so much with one contract. Check into some self help programs, go to college and get a degree in something you want and get your job.
You can afford community college so don't give me that shit.
>>675553383
E1-E3 you are a disposable cog
E4 you are a valuable disposable cog
E5-E6 you are a sailor
E7-E8 you are king
E9 you are a god
E9+ you are a jealous god
W1-W5 you are a jealous god with power
O1-O2 pfft
O1E just like W1-W5
O3 you are a badass and most likely on your way out if you don't make board
O4 enjoy kissing ass
O5 ass kisser with a private room
O6 Captain Ass Kissed
O7-O9 you are GOD
O10 Presidential ass kisser
Honestly I kind of want to try out for Marines or SEALs to get treated like shit and for the opportunity to kill.
I did wrestling in high school and have been training MMA since and honestly I just want to kill people and not go to jail for it
Anyone have experience like this? I run marathons and train intensely and besides the swimming could pass all the physical exams and most likely mental ones
>>675547950
>>675547396
>>675546231
I love how the civilians try to give advice on military shit. It's so God Damn obvious to those of us who are actually in and have over a day of experience.>>675546922
>>675547281
>>675553556
>2NM from an Iranian ship
You're telling me, this is the closest I have ever gotten to an enemy.
>>675548827
If that's actually what happened to you then you're a bitch who washed out / played the system.
The military doesn't want you. Fuck right off. Saying you'll even take 18x like any of its easy.
If you washed out of ait for being a bitch what makes you think infantry osut won't duck you in the ass for 14 weeks straight.
Fuck you and your 18x to get in faggot
>>675553423
I've been aboard the Iowa and Missouri, was a fucking glorious experience. Wisconsin and New Jersey are on the bucket list though
>>675556607
I am trying to get on the Missouri and Jersey, I also want to head to New York for the Intrepid
>>675555148
>honestly I just want to kill people and not go to jail for it
What the actual fuck is wrong with you?
>>675551541
Interesting, so I guess it's kind of a catch all? I could see that being a good fit for someone who has a lot of different interests and doesn't like to do the same thing every day.
>>675551776
> Army
>Weakest branch
Pick one, lol.
>>675551974
Credit will be looked at for security clearance. Having student loans isn't bad, but I'd recommend paying down the credit card before. What they really want to see is that you are living within your means and that you "want to pay your bills/debt." So, one thing they ask is if you've ever had 360 (or maybe 180) days delinquent debt or if you have 180 (or maybe 90) day delinquent debt now. If you make your payments and don't live outside of your means you'll be fine.
Whats the difference between the army rangers and the green berets, which is harder to get into?
>>675557627
Deck is a rough place, but you can strike into another rate and get OJT. You have to have a good attitude and work hard. Worst case you will go into your new rate as an E3, best case you will go into your new rate as an E4.
>>675556384
Probably because it was almost 10 years ago, and I've grown significantly since. Meanwhile, you have 'soldiers' coming right out of high school now, fucking up in ways far worse than I did.
>>675557935
Rangers are a direct action regimental sized unit of shock troops
Green berets are unconventional warfare experts working in small teams to train and fight along indigenous personnel. Each group has a direct action company as well.
The q course is way longer and more difficult to pass compared to rasp. However a lot of people who pass rasp get kicked out of the regiment if nobody likes you or you can't preform
Special forces will just kick you to a B team
>>675558547
>ds
>no cib
Why is this allowed?
>>675557627
I'm in the navy and I'm telling you right fucking now, don't even think about going in undesignated. Your life is gonna e shit and you'll hate yourself for signing that contact. Do your research about different rates, do well on ASVAB, and hope you're lucky to qualify for a job you can actually do something with after you get out. Undes, pact contracts, anything like that stay away from like the plague.
>>675556933
Cool beans. I've been on the Intrpid during summer of 2000 or 2001 (I forgot) and saw a fly over of Marine One. I've been to Pearl Harbor as a kid and balled my little heart out. I've been on some Russian sub in SF and been on either CVN 76 or 77 in San Diego during fleet week
>>675558945
This guy thinks rasp is the same as ranger school. Let me guess... you are a 88m reservist?
Anyone here been to SOAS?
There was once upon a time a SOAS / BUDS anon but I don't know how far along in the pipeline he got.
>>675559363
The smallest one I have been to was the USS Monitor. It was reconstruction of the original in Newport News, VA
>>675559389
Haha no dude what makes you think that?
I never even mentioned ranger school.
>>675558547
Tradoc is kind of a joke but I went through basic and osut the same time as you. It wasn't hard then either. I know the only people that got out where the ones who knew how to play the system and cry to the docs. You got out because you wanted to I'm assuming.
Besides you already got a taste of the big green weenie, you forgot all the bill shot in 10 years?
I'm one of the few who here who has been through the system for most of my adult life.
If you join the military trying to better yourself you arent.
Seriously people, look at the Goddamn suicide rate on veterans and active. This place will not help you feel better about yourself.
>>675559204
To top it off he took a selfie with his platoon. DSs are ducking gay nowadays.
>>675560197
Thank my parents. They're both retired military, and they ONLY wanted me to join the military; they didn't like the idea of me going to college (they themselves didn't). So of course, it had already been 'decided' that I'd be enlisting before I had even finished elementary school. As such, they didn't care about my academic performance, so long as I didn't have to repeat a subject or take summer school (which I did, 3x throughout my youth).
I wanted to go to college, they had other plans. No surprise, when I actually did enlist because they threatened to kick me out if I didn't (in my 11th grade year), I couldn't hack it. To them, it wasn't even about serving the country or having a stable future; it was just about having a job.
>>675560738
So why in the hell do you want to come back?
No offense to your parents but the only people who retire are the ones who drank way to much of the coolaid, or they are scared to get out because they don't have anything else or they have a family. The latter is 90% of the cases I've seen.
Most people who join don't better themselves like they want. And they leave with a fuck ton of financial problems and medical issues.
>>675562074
Two reasons:
>it's all I know
and
>I really need to redeem myself. To my parents, to the country, to myself.